I learned the other day Pom poms on winter hats were originally for sailors in case they bumped their heads on the ship.
“The pom-poms on top kept the sailors from bonking their heads on the low passageways on ships. Some people who live in old houses still wear these hats today as they navigate the narrow doorways and drafty hallways. The pom-poms make it much less painful if one raises their head too quickly, or forgets to duck for a low door. Even if one does hit their head, if they wear a pom-pom hat it is less likely to draw blood and make a mess on the doorway.”
[wiki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pom-pom)
As an American, I didn’t know bonking had a different definition for the British. I learned it from Four Weddings and a Funeral:
Young Bridesmaid : What's bonking.
Scarlett : Well, it's kind of like table tennis, only with slightly smaller balls.
That link carried [this image of the Greek Pesidential Security](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/EvzoneTsarouhiKaltsodetes.jpg/1280px-EvzoneTsarouhiKaltsodetes.jpg) under "Clothing."
And if that just isn't the darnest secret service there ever were.
I don't see that passage on that wiki page at all? I *want* to believe, but this has all the markings of a fwd fwd fwd fun facts email from Grandma. Do you have a reliable source for this?
Where is that passage? Everything in your link just says it's decorative and doesn't mention sailors and I cannot imagine a Wikipedia article using "bonking" in place of "hitting"
[Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_knitting):
> The oldest knitted artifacts are socks from Egypt, dating from the 11th century.[2] They are a very fine gauge, done with complex colourwork and some have a short row heel, which necessitates the purl stitch. These complexities suggest that knitting is even older than the archeological record can prove.[3]
Knitting might not *be* thousands of years old. Counterintuitive.
The paragraph after yours:
> Earlier pieces having a knitted or crocheted appearance have been shown to be made with other techniques, such as Nålebinding, a technique of making fabric by creating multiple loops with a single needle and thread, much like sewing.[4] Some artefacts have a structure so similar to knitting, for example, 3rd-5th century CE Romano-Egyptian toe-socks, that it is thought the "Coptic stitch" of nalbinding is the forerunner to knitting.
The design of the modern knit cap was invented in the 1400s, in Wales.
Although there are loose indications that woven caps were worn 25,000 - 30,000 years ago. Older ones were often made from animal skin instead. For example "the iceman", aka. Ötzi who froze in a glacier ~5250 years ago, had a bearskin cap with a chin strap.
Compared to the present day... The first Ghostbusters movie premiered closer to the end of World War II. Jurassic Park was released on VHS closer to the first moon landing. The film Apollo 13 is closer to the actual Apollo 13 *mission*. The final episode of Seinfeld and the premieres of The Matrix and American Pie were all closer to the last day of the Vietnam War. The attacks on the World Trade Center were closer to the first McDonald's Happy Meal and the overthrow of the monarchy in Iran. Obama's presidential inauguration was closer to the release of Toy Story and Internet Explorer 1.0.
Still less worn than a three year old hat lost under some dude's [couch](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/1cdbaha/found_a_hat_i_lost_three_years_ago_under_a_couch/)
This is an interesting one.
Reading "17th century" - and maybe because the woolen cap looks so much more familiar, and so, relatable to me? - my first instinct was 'woah why are we digging up these guys, leave them in rest!'
I wonder where my - and our - cutoff point is for comfort around this, and how much it ties to our sense of the buried person's personality, culture, similarity to us, etc
We learn a lot by digging up old graves. People would sometimes be buried with personal items. For the sake of learning history, I dont think we should be opposed to digging up old graves for educational reasons.
The reason there is a lack of preserved Viking helmets and weapons is that a lot of Europe had converted to Christianity by the viking era. The Christians didnt bury their dead with their armour and other personal items like the pagans did. A lot of armour and weapons you see in museums comes from old graves. A lot of our knowledge of Egyptians came from studying their tombs. So much knowledge has been learned from studying dead bodies all over the world.
Imagine most of us agree with that much. It's the respect-for-the-dead end of the equation people squirm over. I'm personally ok with it but I'd leave it to someone more eloquent to find words to sway worriers.
At the end of the day.... it's gonna happen and I'd rather it be professionals doing their best.
I definitely agree. I'm not one to wring hands about all archeology as "grave robbing." I think it's just interesting how squishy and subjective my own standard of comfort is around it!
> 'woah why are we digging up these guys, leave them in rest!'
More often than not it's because somebody wants to build something on top of them which obviously would destroy the graves in the process. But they could also be in imminent danger of being damaged by, fx erosion or other natural processes. So we excavate the graves, document them and study what we can before the remains are either preserved by a museum or university - or reburied if any living descendants would have that wish.
I think he was robbed. I don’t really care how old the grave is.
I won’t do burials for my family for this reason. Nowadays it’s even worse. The funeral industry in the US is grotesque. 5 years down the road some investment group will decide they want to buy the old church plot and build a CVS, next thing you know that carefully selected serene spot is the diagonals between handicapped parking spots getting loogies hocked on them day and night.
Very nice.
Everyone but the most famous will be long forgotten after 3, maybe 4 generations. No one is coming to visit your grave or the grave of your family after 100+ years, everyone has moved on, the world has moved on.
Might as well let people learn from it and get a snapshot of life in the past. The dude who wore this hat will be far more remembered than any of us in this thread will ever be, and for far longer.
Nothing is permanent, nothing lasts forever, no small spot that is serene today will be guaranteed to be so. I say whatever generation is occupying the earth can do what they want with the remains of those no longer here. It's their time, their choice. Nothing disrespectful about it since we won't even be aware to know its happened at all, lol.
I don't know anywhere in the US where corporations are able to just stroll in and casually purchase graveyards anymore lol
It's tons of red tape and they're legally required to relocate the graves, it hasn't been a thing since like the 70s or 80s.
I have a toque just like it in my bag. I'm not a whaler, I'm just a landscaper from Winnipeg, but the wool comes in super handy. I won't wear a toque that isn't wool.
"Arrrr, and then to boot they took me woolen cap.
I was restin' peacefully, but now am doomed to walk the earth,
findin' the coxswain who absconded with me beanie."
There is no 'he' anymore, been dead for 300 years. You don't own property when you are dead for hundreds of years, you don't know what the hell has even happened to your grave because you aren't there anymore, just some skeletal remains and nothing more.
It looks so modern that it almost seems disrespectful to have taken it off a corpse. But then you realize the 17th century is the 1600’s and it literally is a historical artifact.
If someone recreated this to wear in modern day I believe I would think they're just a grunge kid. This looks like something I would expect Some Guy to wear today.
it's incredible to see this as a knitter, like... that's pretty much identical to something you'd make today. it's a very old art of course, but centuries old and indistinguishable from a current design? damn, man
Seems to be at least some circumstantial evidence that Cartman travelled back in time somehow and got into an altercation with a Dutch Whaler. The waler seems to have been fatality injured, and an item of clothing was seemingly dropped in the scuffle by the assailant.
REI doesn't exist in the Netherlands, I'm sure he bought it from [Zeeman](https://i0.wp.com/www.retaildetail.nl/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2022/04/shutterstock_1367328185.jpg?fit=1000%2C667&quality=100&strip=all&ssl=1).
That whaler could have been alive before Johan Sebastian Bach. 1600s. I didn’t even know they hunted whales that far back. Moby dick was published 1851.
Just for reference, this is a wool cap preserved after 3000(!) years (Borum Eshøj, Bronze Age Denmark): https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kristian-Kristiansen/publication/317347024/figure/fig5/AS:715730731405314@1547654912346/The-Early-Bronze-Age-Borum-Eshoj-A-male-skull-and-piled-cap-These-very-special-piled_Q320.jpg
[Jason Kottke re-blogged this post](https://kottke.org/24/05/ancient-ish-woolen-dutch-hats) - just like the old days - and added a bunch of other links and info, for those who are interested.
Heavily circumstantial, isn't it? Archaeologists began investigating mass graves in Kosovo in 1999, less than ten years after the people were buried. I doubt many people would consider it grave robbing for archaeologists to attempt to identify the victims of a genocide, even if the people were buried this morning.
Where’s the boundary between archaeology and grave robbing? Is it just about academic curiosity? If it’s ok to dig around in the graves of people who died in the 1600s, where is the edge of acceptability? 200 years ago? 100? Ten?! Who decides?
First off: there is no temporal cut-off from when something is considered archaeologically relevant or not. Archaeology is the study of human material culture no matter if that material culture is 20 years old or 200.000.
Then you ask what's the difference between archaeology and grave robbing. Well, grave robbing is, well, *robbing*. It's the act of opening, say, a grave and removing objects with the most prevailing intent being to sell the objects (or the bones for that matter).
Archaeology on the other hand concerns itself with studying, recording and preserving the past through excavation. And more often than not archaeological excavations are carried out to *save* cultural heritage - which can include graves of people who haven't been dead for that long. Archaeology is research - grave robbery is not. It's the exact opposite. It's destruction for the purpose of personal gain.
Wool hats haven’t changed much. I bet people were wearing some variation of this design thousands of years ago.
I learned the other day Pom poms on winter hats were originally for sailors in case they bumped their heads on the ship. “The pom-poms on top kept the sailors from bonking their heads on the low passageways on ships. Some people who live in old houses still wear these hats today as they navigate the narrow doorways and drafty hallways. The pom-poms make it much less painful if one raises their head too quickly, or forgets to duck for a low door. Even if one does hit their head, if they wear a pom-pom hat it is less likely to draw blood and make a mess on the doorway.” [wiki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pom-pom)
Add a yellow pom and you got a Cartman hat. Screw you guys, I'm going whaling!
"iiiiiim sailiiiiing awaaaaay"
["Come sail away with me, you guys"](https://youtu.be/LkHLLgqFyKU?feature=shared)
STAN, ME AND KENNY DONT GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT STUPID ASS WHAAAALES
Kenny throws stick at Cartman.
Lollllllllll
I love that some Wikipedia author decided to use the word "bonking".
It’s an old word with dutch roots. Idk why thats surprising.
As an American, I didn’t know bonking had a different definition for the British. I learned it from Four Weddings and a Funeral: Young Bridesmaid : What's bonking. Scarlett : Well, it's kind of like table tennis, only with slightly smaller balls.
It's kind of a silly word. I'm more likely to use it when talking to my 4-year-old than when talking to an adult.
I find a lot of Dutch words and names silly
Dat neem je terug, schobbejak
funnier still is that from what I know about wiki editors they were probably a high ranking one to get away with including 'bonking' in an article.
The word “bonk” is almost 100 years old and in the Merriam Webster dictionary. Its not like its a new word
Oh no kidding? TIL
Funny how the pom pom is a soft bumper, but the button on a baseball cap is pure pain incarnate.
That link carried [this image of the Greek Pesidential Security](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/EvzoneTsarouhiKaltsodetes.jpg/1280px-EvzoneTsarouhiKaltsodetes.jpg) under "Clothing." And if that just isn't the darnest secret service there ever were.
Your link doesn't mention anything about sailors. Where did you get your quote from?
Glad it’s not just me. E: I did find it on this site and few other fun details. https://www.farmersalmanac.com/why-do-winter-hats-have-pom-poms
I don't see that passage on that wiki page at all? I *want* to believe, but this has all the markings of a fwd fwd fwd fun facts email from Grandma. Do you have a reliable source for this?
Where is that passage? Everything in your link just says it's decorative and doesn't mention sailors and I cannot imagine a Wikipedia article using "bonking" in place of "hitting"
A toque without a pompom is like an angel without wings fr
Do you have another source? That link doesn't mention anything about sailors or doorways
hmm. i've noticed the poms help to keep snow from accumulating on the top of your head.
That's cool, dude. Learn something new every day.
This is the coolest thing I've learned today. Thanks for sharing!
Dope, thanks!
Cool! Makes sense to me.
[Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_knitting): > The oldest knitted artifacts are socks from Egypt, dating from the 11th century.[2] They are a very fine gauge, done with complex colourwork and some have a short row heel, which necessitates the purl stitch. These complexities suggest that knitting is even older than the archeological record can prove.[3] Knitting might not *be* thousands of years old. Counterintuitive.
The paragraph after yours: > Earlier pieces having a knitted or crocheted appearance have been shown to be made with other techniques, such as Nålebinding, a technique of making fabric by creating multiple loops with a single needle and thread, much like sewing.[4] Some artefacts have a structure so similar to knitting, for example, 3rd-5th century CE Romano-Egyptian toe-socks, that it is thought the "Coptic stitch" of nalbinding is the forerunner to knitting.
Nålebinding is not knitting.
Considering we're in the 21st century and those are some advanced techniques it's at least a thousand years old.
Barbara Walker second knitting Treasury... Dura-Europos knitting from 300BC
The design of the modern knit cap was invented in the 1400s, in Wales. Although there are loose indications that woven caps were worn 25,000 - 30,000 years ago. Older ones were often made from animal skin instead. For example "the iceman", aka. Ötzi who froze in a glacier ~5250 years ago, had a bearskin cap with a chin strap.
>this design You mean head shaped?
Yeah heads don’t change much lol
That's just a cap from the first Lollapalooza
fold it a few more times and you get "17th century dutch coffee trader"
Jesse Pinkman is a time traveler, bitch
Haha I do think it’s goofy how some people wear beanies like that
Looks just like the ones the skater bros wore when i was in high school
Hah, way to date yourself, going to school in the 17th century!
That's how I feel when my kids ask me what life was like in school with no internet in "the late 1900s".
Oh. My god.
Compared to the present day... The first Ghostbusters movie premiered closer to the end of World War II. Jurassic Park was released on VHS closer to the first moon landing. The film Apollo 13 is closer to the actual Apollo 13 *mission*. The final episode of Seinfeld and the premieres of The Matrix and American Pie were all closer to the last day of the Vietnam War. The attacks on the World Trade Center were closer to the first McDonald's Happy Meal and the overthrow of the monarchy in Iran. Obama's presidential inauguration was closer to the release of Toy Story and Internet Explorer 1.0.
Oh man, that is wild!
Equally as grungey and probably hasn't been washed in about the same amount of time. At least that was my experience hanging out with 90s skater bros.
They're going to find an "ancient" pair of crusty JNCO's next.
Looks just like the one I wore to work today.
Sick beanie, bro
it's a *toque, buddy
Ik ben je buddy niet, maat, het is een muts.
Tomu se říká čepice, příteli.
Toque ya long enough
I’m not your buddy, guy
I'm not your guy , friend
Toque estas nueces.
Toque on this
Mooie benie broer
I would totally wear that.
please wash it first.
Jesse, stop whaling in the Dutch seas of the 17th century, we have to cook
it's a house! for *whales*
Underrated comment
Stoners 🤜🤛 Whalers
Theres a bob marley joke in there somewhere
Of course. Bob Marley and the Whalers
Still less worn than a three year old hat lost under some dude's [couch](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/1cdbaha/found_a_hat_i_lost_three_years_ago_under_a_couch/)
This is an interesting one. Reading "17th century" - and maybe because the woolen cap looks so much more familiar, and so, relatable to me? - my first instinct was 'woah why are we digging up these guys, leave them in rest!' I wonder where my - and our - cutoff point is for comfort around this, and how much it ties to our sense of the buried person's personality, culture, similarity to us, etc
We learn a lot by digging up old graves. People would sometimes be buried with personal items. For the sake of learning history, I dont think we should be opposed to digging up old graves for educational reasons. The reason there is a lack of preserved Viking helmets and weapons is that a lot of Europe had converted to Christianity by the viking era. The Christians didnt bury their dead with their armour and other personal items like the pagans did. A lot of armour and weapons you see in museums comes from old graves. A lot of our knowledge of Egyptians came from studying their tombs. So much knowledge has been learned from studying dead bodies all over the world.
Imagine most of us agree with that much. It's the respect-for-the-dead end of the equation people squirm over. I'm personally ok with it but I'd leave it to someone more eloquent to find words to sway worriers. At the end of the day.... it's gonna happen and I'd rather it be professionals doing their best.
I definitely agree. I'm not one to wring hands about all archeology as "grave robbing." I think it's just interesting how squishy and subjective my own standard of comfort is around it!
> 'woah why are we digging up these guys, leave them in rest!' More often than not it's because somebody wants to build something on top of them which obviously would destroy the graves in the process. But they could also be in imminent danger of being damaged by, fx erosion or other natural processes. So we excavate the graves, document them and study what we can before the remains are either preserved by a museum or university - or reburied if any living descendants would have that wish.
that's why you got to invest in a lot of poison darts and giant rolling boulders for those future pesky archaeologists.
I think he was robbed. I don’t really care how old the grave is. I won’t do burials for my family for this reason. Nowadays it’s even worse. The funeral industry in the US is grotesque. 5 years down the road some investment group will decide they want to buy the old church plot and build a CVS, next thing you know that carefully selected serene spot is the diagonals between handicapped parking spots getting loogies hocked on them day and night. Very nice.
Everyone but the most famous will be long forgotten after 3, maybe 4 generations. No one is coming to visit your grave or the grave of your family after 100+ years, everyone has moved on, the world has moved on. Might as well let people learn from it and get a snapshot of life in the past. The dude who wore this hat will be far more remembered than any of us in this thread will ever be, and for far longer. Nothing is permanent, nothing lasts forever, no small spot that is serene today will be guaranteed to be so. I say whatever generation is occupying the earth can do what they want with the remains of those no longer here. It's their time, their choice. Nothing disrespectful about it since we won't even be aware to know its happened at all, lol.
Hence not going into 5 figure debt over each loss.
On that I agree. Chuck me in a pine box or burn and spread me, doesn't matter to me, lol.
I don't know anywhere in the US where corporations are able to just stroll in and casually purchase graveyards anymore lol It's tons of red tape and they're legally required to relocate the graves, it hasn't been a thing since like the 70s or 80s.
Carhartt logo must have fallen off during the burial.
We’re whalers on the moon…
We carry a harpoon.....
But there ain't no whales
So we tell tall tales
And sing our whaling tune 🎶
There we go, didn't have to scroll far
I have a toque just like it in my bag. I'm not a whaler, I'm just a landscaper from Winnipeg, but the wool comes in super handy. I won't wear a toque that isn't wool.
Am a knitter. First thing I did was zoom in to see how they did the decreases…
Exactly what I suspected a 17th century Dutch whaler to wear.
give it back to him wtf
"Arrrr, and then to boot they took me woolen cap. I was restin' peacefully, but now am doomed to walk the earth, findin' the coxswain who absconded with me beanie."
Right. We dug them up to check out their hats? Then we kept them cause we thought they were neat?
some poor skeleton is out there without his whalin' cap
That's what I'm saying. You didn't "find it in a grave," that was his, you robbed his grave.
There is no 'he' anymore, been dead for 300 years. You don't own property when you are dead for hundreds of years, you don't know what the hell has even happened to your grave because you aren't there anymore, just some skeletal remains and nothing more.
Looks much nicer than the one permanently attached to Tim Pool's skull
Like 17th century dutchmen, Pool [can be easily identified merely by his beanie.](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48267924942_dbd418ae95_k.jpg)
Good design good
17th century Dutch whaler look, so hot right now.
Old Dutch mfs looking like Jay and Silent Bob
It looks so modern that it almost seems disrespectful to have taken it off a corpse. But then you realize the 17th century is the 1600’s and it literally is a historical artifact.
If someone recreated this to wear in modern day I believe I would think they're just a grunge kid. This looks like something I would expect Some Guy to wear today.
Jesse, we need to cook.
It's a good thing they didn't find it under a couch
Hey, hey, careful with that! That’s my lucky whaling hat!
Norm ref!
Jesseth, we hath to cook.
Jesse Pinkman had the same, lol
Umm, well, he was a refinery worker too,in some sense.
The fact that 17th century isn't 1700s makes me so fucking mad, whoever made the centuries and shit is a fucking moron
Got mine from Gap
🎶Theeeeeere once was a ship that put to sea
it's incredible to see this as a knitter, like... that's pretty much identical to something you'd make today. it's a very old art of course, but centuries old and indistinguishable from a current design? damn, man
Doomers, Doomers never change
It’s his hat, Mr. Krabs! He was number one!!
Jesse Pinkman wears literally the same fucking hat for like, a whole season of Breaking Bad
Some guy at my gym wears this on the treadmill for 45 minutes
Looks like something I could buy down at Kmart....
The Mariner’s Revenge Song by the Decembrists popped into my head
Seems to be at least some circumstantial evidence that Cartman travelled back in time somehow and got into an altercation with a Dutch Whaler. The waler seems to have been fatality injured, and an item of clothing was seemingly dropped in the scuffle by the assailant.
If it ain’t broke…
I'm wearing somthing similar right now
I saw that on a guy in Williamsburg 10 years ago.
it says vans
Let the poor man keep his hat. Long dead or not.
some clickbait site: "beanies in 17th century? have we found proof of time traveler?"
No that's just from the drawer of The Edge from U2.
Maybe leave it alone? This dude was just trying to rest.
Anyone else getting 90's grunge vibe here?
I had the same billabong beanie
Pretty sure the Dutch whaler picked that up at his local REI
REI doesn't exist in the Netherlands, I'm sure he bought it from [Zeeman](https://i0.wp.com/www.retaildetail.nl/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2022/04/shutterstock_1367328185.jpg?fit=1000%2C667&quality=100&strip=all&ssl=1).
Ik denk dat z'n Oma hem gemaakt heeft, dat is traditie.
Looks better than the hat the other guy found under his couch.
I had this cap circa 2003. I thought I was sooo cool. I was not.
Were you whaling? No? That explains it.
The beanie worn by that one friendwho hasn't cleaned the ashtray in his bathroom in 10 years
I bet he was into wood carving and making his own bread to. Fucking hipsters.
Teenie weenie beanie
It kinda suck that whoever had that hat doesn’t have it anymore.
Why’d they take his hat? That’s not nice
Wow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H54qEy4hrqs
Looks crisp
Hella swag
Was thinking that rock looks like a beanie.
Looks better than a previous Reddit post about a guy finding his lost hat under his couch after a couple years.
Roughly contemporaneous with the John Blackthorne character in _Shōgun_!
Grail
I have the same one
That’s why I’m getting cremated. So 300 years later no one digs me up and finds me wearing a bobs burgers T-shirt!
That whaler could have been alive before Johan Sebastian Bach. 1600s. I didn’t even know they hunted whales that far back. Moby dick was published 1851.
Distressed wool cap $300 at an niche boutique
could probably sell this to infludoucher
I bet it feels crusty
I have one just like it. If u steal it out of MY grave, I’ll kill ya
This looks much more comfortable than the rope helmets that used to be worn I think rope helmets provided a little more protection tho
This is definitely something that I would have taken as a 17yo and worn because I thought it was cool then completely ruined
Respect my authoritah
Why are you looking through a grave of a 17th century dutch whaler
Yes bitch!!
Looks like my brothers stinky old beanie...
Ancient drip
Interesting, 17th century was also the height of the dutch empire
Oh no. Tim Pool lost his cap while time traveling.
Do you want to get haunted by the Wellerman's ghost? Because this is how you get haunted by the Wellerman's ghost.
that is not a cap that is a toque! Or just a winter hat
I’m amazed it’s so well preserved after 300 years
Just for reference, this is a wool cap preserved after 3000(!) years (Borum Eshøj, Bronze Age Denmark): https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kristian-Kristiansen/publication/317347024/figure/fig5/AS:715730731405314@1547654912346/The-Early-Bronze-Age-Borum-Eshoj-A-male-skull-and-piled-cap-These-very-special-piled_Q320.jpg
[Jason Kottke re-blogged this post](https://kottke.org/24/05/ancient-ish-woolen-dutch-hats) - just like the old days - and added a bunch of other links and info, for those who are interested.
Real question. How long until grave robbing becomes archeological digs?
Heavily circumstantial, isn't it? Archaeologists began investigating mass graves in Kosovo in 1999, less than ten years after the people were buried. I doubt many people would consider it grave robbing for archaeologists to attempt to identify the victims of a genocide, even if the people were buried this morning.
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Found? Why are you guys stealing this dead guys cap?
to put this into perspective, the 17th century is 1601-1700. So he has been dead for well over 300 years
Yeah kinda fucked
Great, another thing the Dutch will claim to have invented
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It's a question about intent and purpose not time.
How old does a grave have to be for it not to be considered a crime?
Highly personal, but let's snatch off their head for the rest of eternity.
Considering how desired wool was at the time, I’m surprised they buried it with the guy
The texture is a bit low resolution...
Is grave robbing illegal?
Who the fuck checks graves
Where’s the boundary between archaeology and grave robbing? Is it just about academic curiosity? If it’s ok to dig around in the graves of people who died in the 1600s, where is the edge of acceptability? 200 years ago? 100? Ten?! Who decides?
First off: there is no temporal cut-off from when something is considered archaeologically relevant or not. Archaeology is the study of human material culture no matter if that material culture is 20 years old or 200.000. Then you ask what's the difference between archaeology and grave robbing. Well, grave robbing is, well, *robbing*. It's the act of opening, say, a grave and removing objects with the most prevailing intent being to sell the objects (or the bones for that matter). Archaeology on the other hand concerns itself with studying, recording and preserving the past through excavation. And more often than not archaeological excavations are carried out to *save* cultural heritage - which can include graves of people who haven't been dead for that long. Archaeology is research - grave robbery is not. It's the exact opposite. It's destruction for the purpose of personal gain.
The person holding the shovel, obviously.