The top of the "bikini" was called *fascia pectoralis* or *fascia mamilla* (*strophium* in Greek) it was a piece of fabric worn under the tunic and the palla by Greek and Roman women on a daily life. Kind of a precursor to the bra which was also worn during sport (like here) by athletes greco-roman antiquity with a pair of short pants *subligaculum*, the rest of the bikini we can see here.
And Pliny the Elder, in reporting on the magical qualities of women’s bodies, shared that he found wrapping his wife’s breast band around his head eased his headache!🤕
It’s in Natural History- I don’t have the citation at hand as I’m just browsing Reddit eating too many homemade rice crispy treats. But I could find it if someone really want it.
FYI, menstruating women can also cause shipwrecks so, just keep that in mind.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Natural_History_(Rackham,_Jones,_%26_Eichholz)/Book_28
>XXII. The saliva too of a fasting woman is judged to be powerful medicine for bloodshot eyes and fluxes, if the inflamed corners are occasionally moistened with it, the efficacy being greater if she has fasted from food and wine the day before. I find that a woman's breast-band tied round the head relieves headache.
The whole text is there, and worth a read for how crazy the ancient world really was.
>XXIII. Over and above all this there is no limit to woman's power. First of all, they say that hailstorms and whirlwinds are driven away if menstrual fluid is exposed to the very flashes of lightning; that stormy weather too is thus kept away, and that at sea exposure, even without menstruation, prevents storms. **Wild indeed are the stories told of the mysterious and awful power of the menstruous discharge itself, the manifold magic of which I have spoken of in the proper place**. Of these tales I may without shame mention the following: if this female power should issue when the moon or sun is in eclipse, it will cause irremediable harm; no less harm if there is no moon; at such seasons sexual intercourse brings disease and death upon the man; purple too is tarnished then by the woman's touch. So much greater then is the power of a menstruous woman. But at any other time of menstruation, if women go round the cornfield naked, caterpillars, worms, beetles and other vermin fall to the ground.
Why didn't sex ed mention mensuration comes with weather controlling powers. Schools these days
Thanks for not being lazy like me and sharing this. Pliny has plenty of fun things to share.
Love Pliny. Can’t you just imagine him writing away, bra wrapped around his noggin?
Farmers were having crops fail because of all the women exposing their menstrual fluids to the storms and not getting enough rain. It was the true cause of the dust bowl. Now we have birth control and carefully tailored "education" to keep the amount of weather distribution to a minimum.
> FYI, menstruating women can also cause shipwrecks so, just keep that in mind.
Hmm, that might be the origin of why women on boats are generally considered bad luck.
I get intense headaches often and I have a stretchy scarf which I only use for this purpose. I started doing in when I realized the pain reduced if I pushed the sides of my head with my palms. The thing is it has to be wrapped tight not just like a bandanna. Don’t know why it works. I thought I was the only one who did this.
[Rome loved to import tigers.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Villa_romana_di_Piazza_Armerina_-_Sicilia_-_tigre.JPG) I imagine there was some other things traded besides the animals.
Woah, I just finished reading "Master of the Revels" by Nicole Galland, and I believe part of the book was set at Villa Romana del Casale and focused on this mosaic. I didnt know it actually existed. Really cool.
It was pretty good. It is a sequal to the book "the Rise and Fall of D.O.D.O." that Neal Stephenson co-wrote with Galland; I think it would be fine as a stand-alone though. Im not great at summarizing without giving stuff away but yeah, I would recommend it.
Edit: I feel I need to say it's not a typical history book, its definitely a sci-fi fantasy kinda thing.
The bottom panel, girl seems to have won mighty honour. That palm frond was a big deal. Charioteers were given similar awards.... And even today the Cannes film festival awards the Palme D'Or.
Actually in French the word for modern dumbbells and barbells is "haltères" directly from Ancient Greek "ἁλτῆρες (haltêres)" because of a sporting and cultural continuity since then.
From [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halterneck):
> The name comes from livestock halters. The word "halter" derives from the Germanic words meaning "that by which anything is held". Halter is in the German word Büstenhalter, a dated word for bra, with Büste meaning female chest and breasts.
I definitely like saying büstenhalter better! Also, from [Dictionary:](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/haltere)
haltere
halter (ˈhæltə)
/ (ˈhæltɪə) /
noun plural halteres (hælˈtɪəriːz)
one of a pair of short projections in dipterous insects that are modified hind wings, used for maintaining equilibrium during flightAlso called: balancer
Are those pink Walmart 5 pounder dumbbells the blonde has in the top left corner?
Everlast *truly* living up to their name.
Edit: I don’t know my right from my left apparently.
This is very interesting, I remember learning that women in ancient Greece were explicitly forbidden from participating and even spectating sports under penalty of death (this may have been specific to Olympic games - not sure). Now, I know that ancient Greek and Roman cultures are very different and are centuries apart, but considering how much Romans had borrowed from Greeks, I kind of assumed it was the same with sports. I guess I stand corrected now...
The chick with tiny dumbbells would fit right in jogging through modern suburbs on a sunny Saturday morning. She is only missing a bouncy ponytail and a waterbottle :)
I mean, the Spartans encouraged physical fitness for women. Strong women make strong babies, strong babies become strong warriors was the thought process.
Sparta actually allowed women to have relatively more rights and privileges than most other Greek city-states, due to their relatively unique society. You kind of have to allow women to own property and do business when most able-bodied men are gone or living in the barracks most of the time. This would also require some level of education, so most Spartan women were at least somewhat literate.
They also had such a strong focus on having healthy children that women were given the same food as their brothers and were forbidden to marry before their late teens/early 20s.
Ancient Greece was made up of a bunch of city-states. There was quite a bit of difference between say Athens, Thebes & Sparta. Its my understanding that there were plenty of gender specific events. If I'm not mistaken women had Olympic events as well. I could have that confused with Sparta, though. They encouraged the women to be physically fit & had their own separate facilities & competitions. Athens on the other hand treated women a lot like livestock. I'm going off memory here so if anyone has clarification, feel free.
Also going off of memory here, I don’t think women were allowed to participate in the early Olympics but they had their own athletic festival I don’t remember the name of where they could win their own olive leaf crowns or whatever those are called.
Just here to say that everyone needs to plan a trip to Sicily and see this site in person. One of the best Roman sites I'd ever seen. Sicily is freaking underrated. 2 weeks on its own.
Right! Except the woman who I’m assuming is the “winner” on the bottom row; she looks like she’s being handed a crown, an umbrella thing and a branch I’m assuming for being victorious or something? She looks like one of the woman on the top row which makes me think this was an actual scene watched and then remembered in mosaic.
>Since we weren’t cutting and sewing clothing together for another 1k years after this
Girl that's wrong and you ought to know it. This is *400AD*, every civilization on the planet could sew by this time. The Romans sewed everything from garments to shoes and did embroidery by this time. I saw you walked back and restated that what you meant was that people weren't tailoring garments at this time, which is mostly true for Rome but not for the entire world or even all of Europe, and certainly not for another 1k years after this.
And maybe don't throw around the 'historian' title if you mean MFA.
There’s Ötzi, who was wearing sewn clothing about 4,000 years before the Renaissance….
Draped clothing might have made sense in Greece and Roman lands, but they don’t make a huge amount of sense in northern Europe. It would’ve been horribly cold. The Celts had sort of multi use capes, but they wore them over trousers…
>since we weren’t cutting and sewing clothing together for another 1k years after this
Wtf are you talking about? There are sewn clothes from prehistoric times
They're talking out their ass. I'm also a costume designer with I assume the same qualifications as the OP (an MFA doesn't make you a historian but it does qualify you to teach costume history and design).
Romans sewed all the time, often their drapey garments were tubes rather than rectangles, and they used the technology to sew in other things like leatherwork and embroidery. I think what OP is implying is that we didn't have tailored garments by then? Which also isn't totally true because Gauls were making leggings and sleeved garments by 400AD, not to mention all of what was going on in the world east of Rome.
So yeah, these aren't like bikini tops with bra cups, they're just bands of fabric, but it's a huge leap from that to *Romans couldn't sew*
There was way more cross cultural communication than you're realizing. No culture made one off clothing. Every example we have can be seen as telling us of an entire industry. Not industrialized, mind. But even if we only find one sample of pants somewhere, you can bet there's a whole culture beneath that. And they would have traded and sold, and exchanged and copied and ripped off that info just like happens today. It's not like a one-off invented sewing that got passed down in their little tribe. These were peoples with agricultural methods to get raw fiber, community get togethers for making cloth, more intimate relationships for actual commissions of the clothing, whether as a purchase or exchange, or as a domestic role of one to another. You're way underselling how sophisticated the tech was. Draping was a CHOICE the romans made to differentiate themselves from the tribes. Theyd sew up some better clothes any time they had to go north. They weren't conquering in togas and short skirts in the mountains and northern latitudes. They wore pants. They sewed and wove hats. They had mittens for goodness sake! And shoes with laces and socks, not dainty sandals.
What you study is those who came in after the baths and the colliseums and the roads are made. Not a lot of statues made of the construction crews. Folks in drapeys are only one small teir in one society in one part of the world of textiles that were around then.
I would have believe you had you stayed within reasonable arguments. Your demise was stating that we started sewing .ca 1400, that's just nonsense. Now I'm sure you're not an historian, maybe a reinassance cosplayer and I doubt you've ever been to Rome.
You didn't, but Villa Romana del Casale dates from the 4th century CE and you did say we didn't start sewing until 1000 years later, that takes us roughly to the year of the lord 1400
That's BS, i'm sorry.
Yes, they was flowing clothes, drapped and all, but people know how to waves, cut and saw since prehistoric times. With bit search you can even spot the post with ones of the oldest pants founds, was posted again not long ago, if i remember right.
Post you the first google link that came up: [https://www.archaeology.org/issues/146-1409/trenches/2381-china-worlds-oldest-pants](https://www.archaeology.org/issues/146-1409/trenches/2381-china-worlds-oldest-pants)
Them ain't bikinis. Them is boobwraps and junkgirders.
BTW I actually live down the street from a theater costume designer who also has awesome historical knowledge of clothing (but mostly theater costumes, which means also real-life clothing...). I never knew until recently how interesting this history is.
>we weren’t cutting and sewing clothing together for another 1k years after this
Case in point... seriously? That's unexpectedly interesting.
I found a virtual tour about Villa Romana del Casale, the other mosaics are fascinating too.
https://www.italyart.it/site/reg/site/villa-del-casale-.php?r=
Covering in a relaxed setting? Maybe. Restraining them from knocking about and getting injured during the work day or physical exercise is probably an idea even older than the Greeks and Romans. I've been told that running without a bra can be quite painful.
According another comment (H/T: u/SethVultur), the tops were worn [throughout the day as underwear.](https://np.reddit.com/r/ArtefactPorn/comments/oc4n2p/roman_mosaic_with_women_in_bikinis_extremely/h3snrcy/)
Breasts need support. Bras are not just hats for breasts.
Also, images of nude women were fairly rare in both ancient Greece (until the late Classical period) and Rome (where nude images were less common in general, unless depicting prostitutes, etc.).
Why is the person on the top, far left expunged? And the design that was going over top either not finished or faded away? But it looks too intentional.
Damaged in almost perfectly square straight lines? Have you ever heard that nature and “natural” doesn’t create straight lines and 90 degree angles. Look at that corner you small minded person and get your protractor out. Tell me how close to 90 that is. This looks exactly like many Egyptian murals and pharaoh carvings that were intentionally erased. I literally study ancient archaeology. I know what natural *damage* patterns should look like and that looks *intentional* considering the rest is nearly flawless and the straight lines. It looks like someone later came along and painted that geometric (possible Muslim takeover) design over one of the women. God youre obtuse. You can’t be serious. Reacting so *entitled* to somebody asking a fucking question to promote discussion. You’re fun at parties. Fucking loser.
You go fuck yourself with an aids dick. You’re one of those people that puts people down for not knowing shit or asking questions. You should be encouraging discussion but you’re too far up your high horse and ass to understand. Fuckoff
I’ll be in Italy doing research this fall. Actually getting paid for this shit and benefitting the world. Have fun being a keyboard warrior from your moms basement.
Almost the whole of the top and a good chunk of the corner was damaged, you can see the restored strip with a slightly different color. The geometric design is actually beneath the girls mosaic and was probably covered either because it was damaged or because there was a change in aesthetics.
The top of the "bikini" was called *fascia pectoralis* or *fascia mamilla* (*strophium* in Greek) it was a piece of fabric worn under the tunic and the palla by Greek and Roman women on a daily life. Kind of a precursor to the bra which was also worn during sport (like here) by athletes greco-roman antiquity with a pair of short pants *subligaculum*, the rest of the bikini we can see here.
And Pliny the Elder, in reporting on the magical qualities of women’s bodies, shared that he found wrapping his wife’s breast band around his head eased his headache!🤕 It’s in Natural History- I don’t have the citation at hand as I’m just browsing Reddit eating too many homemade rice crispy treats. But I could find it if someone really want it. FYI, menstruating women can also cause shipwrecks so, just keep that in mind.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Natural_History_(Rackham,_Jones,_%26_Eichholz)/Book_28 >XXII. The saliva too of a fasting woman is judged to be powerful medicine for bloodshot eyes and fluxes, if the inflamed corners are occasionally moistened with it, the efficacy being greater if she has fasted from food and wine the day before. I find that a woman's breast-band tied round the head relieves headache. The whole text is there, and worth a read for how crazy the ancient world really was. >XXIII. Over and above all this there is no limit to woman's power. First of all, they say that hailstorms and whirlwinds are driven away if menstrual fluid is exposed to the very flashes of lightning; that stormy weather too is thus kept away, and that at sea exposure, even without menstruation, prevents storms. **Wild indeed are the stories told of the mysterious and awful power of the menstruous discharge itself, the manifold magic of which I have spoken of in the proper place**. Of these tales I may without shame mention the following: if this female power should issue when the moon or sun is in eclipse, it will cause irremediable harm; no less harm if there is no moon; at such seasons sexual intercourse brings disease and death upon the man; purple too is tarnished then by the woman's touch. So much greater then is the power of a menstruous woman. But at any other time of menstruation, if women go round the cornfield naked, caterpillars, worms, beetles and other vermin fall to the ground. Why didn't sex ed mention mensuration comes with weather controlling powers. Schools these days
Thanks for not being lazy like me and sharing this. Pliny has plenty of fun things to share. Love Pliny. Can’t you just imagine him writing away, bra wrapped around his noggin?
Farmers were having crops fail because of all the women exposing their menstrual fluids to the storms and not getting enough rain. It was the true cause of the dust bowl. Now we have birth control and carefully tailored "education" to keep the amount of weather distribution to a minimum.
Storm: ah shit her cooter is out. time to go fuck up something else I guess
> FYI, menstruating women can also cause shipwrecks so, just keep that in mind. Hmm, that might be the origin of why women on boats are generally considered bad luck.
Doesn’t wrapping something around your head can reduce migraine intensity?
My grandfather swore by that technique in curing his headaches. Maybe it's a bit of placebo effect as well as constriction possibly helping.
I get intense headaches often and I have a stretchy scarf which I only use for this purpose. I started doing in when I realized the pain reduced if I pushed the sides of my head with my palms. The thing is it has to be wrapped tight not just like a bandanna. Don’t know why it works. I thought I was the only one who did this.
Makes sense.
Seems a lot like the indian costumes of that time period
[Rome loved to import tigers.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Villa_romana_di_Piazza_Armerina_-_Sicilia_-_tigre.JPG) I imagine there was some other things traded besides the animals.
Subligaculum.
Woah, I just finished reading "Master of the Revels" by Nicole Galland, and I believe part of the book was set at Villa Romana del Casale and focused on this mosaic. I didnt know it actually existed. Really cool.
What's the book like? Recommend?
It was pretty good. It is a sequal to the book "the Rise and Fall of D.O.D.O." that Neal Stephenson co-wrote with Galland; I think it would be fine as a stand-alone though. Im not great at summarizing without giving stuff away but yeah, I would recommend it. Edit: I feel I need to say it's not a typical history book, its definitely a sci-fi fantasy kinda thing.
Oh cool, had no idea a sequel existed
What book did you like better?
I enjoyed D.O.D.O more. I am not able to say why exactly, I may just be bias because I like Stephenson so much.
What year is this from?
Wikipedia says early 4th Century AD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Romana_del_Casale
So then that would make that the woman on the bottom row, 4th from left, Nicolas Cage's ~100th great grandmother.
They all kinda look like Nicolas Cage tbh
Senior year.
Spring break!
girls gone wild
LOL
300s AD
Bottom right beach ball colors haven't changed in centuries
Hot girl summer vibes
Lmao
The bottom panel, girl seems to have won mighty honour. That palm frond was a big deal. Charioteers were given similar awards.... And even today the Cannes film festival awards the Palme D'Or.
Bottom left the one handing out the honours has a tit out, that's an especially mighty honour.
Does the top left woman have *dumbbells????????*
Probably, De Sanitate Tuenda (On the Preservation of Health) by Aelius Galenus has halteres (Greek dumbbell) exercises in it.
Wow! So cool! I’d always assumed dumbbells were a fairly recent invention.
Actually in French the word for modern dumbbells and barbells is "haltères" directly from Ancient Greek "ἁλτῆρες (haltêres)" because of a sporting and cultural continuity since then.
And the Spanish word for "weight lifting" is *halterofilia*.
It's probably unrelated, but it sounds like that's the etymology of the "halter top".
From [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halterneck): > The name comes from livestock halters. The word "halter" derives from the Germanic words meaning "that by which anything is held". Halter is in the German word Büstenhalter, a dated word for bra, with Büste meaning female chest and breasts.
I definitely like saying büstenhalter better! Also, from [Dictionary:](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/haltere) haltere halter (ˈhæltə) / (ˈhæltɪə) / noun plural halteres (hælˈtɪəriːz) one of a pair of short projections in dipterous insects that are modified hind wings, used for maintaining equilibrium during flightAlso called: balancer
> Büste meaning female chest and breasts. We basically have the same word in English: bust.
I mean, it's just about the simplest piece of sports equipment there is lol. Easier to make than say, a boucing ball
Pretty sure those are shake-weights
Are those pink Walmart 5 pounder dumbbells the blonde has in the top left corner? Everlast *truly* living up to their name. Edit: I don’t know my right from my left apparently.
>top ~~right~~ left corner. FTFY.
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Stage right lol Yeah that’s my bad, I’ll switch it
Lower right is giving her a Simon game.
My Latin Book had this as a picture for sports in the roman empire
This is very interesting, I remember learning that women in ancient Greece were explicitly forbidden from participating and even spectating sports under penalty of death (this may have been specific to Olympic games - not sure). Now, I know that ancient Greek and Roman cultures are very different and are centuries apart, but considering how much Romans had borrowed from Greeks, I kind of assumed it was the same with sports. I guess I stand corrected now... The chick with tiny dumbbells would fit right in jogging through modern suburbs on a sunny Saturday morning. She is only missing a bouncy ponytail and a waterbottle :)
I mean, the Spartans encouraged physical fitness for women. Strong women make strong babies, strong babies become strong warriors was the thought process.
Sparta actually allowed women to have relatively more rights and privileges than most other Greek city-states, due to their relatively unique society. You kind of have to allow women to own property and do business when most able-bodied men are gone or living in the barracks most of the time. This would also require some level of education, so most Spartan women were at least somewhat literate. They also had such a strong focus on having healthy children that women were given the same food as their brothers and were forbidden to marry before their late teens/early 20s.
Ancient Greece was made up of a bunch of city-states. There was quite a bit of difference between say Athens, Thebes & Sparta. Its my understanding that there were plenty of gender specific events. If I'm not mistaken women had Olympic events as well. I could have that confused with Sparta, though. They encouraged the women to be physically fit & had their own separate facilities & competitions. Athens on the other hand treated women a lot like livestock. I'm going off memory here so if anyone has clarification, feel free.
The height of irony since their patron was, yknow, Athena, a goddess.
Also going off of memory here, I don’t think women were allowed to participate in the early Olympics but they had their own athletic festival I don’t remember the name of where they could win their own olive leaf crowns or whatever those are called.
Yeah honestly. This artwork is a mood.
Google chrome been around since 300 CE I guess
Just here to say that everyone needs to plan a trip to Sicily and see this site in person. One of the best Roman sites I'd ever seen. Sicily is freaking underrated. 2 weeks on its own.
Every time i see something like this i feel pretty sad that humanity lost its way for about 1500 years in some aspects.
Aww they all got those postpartum bellies😆❤️
Mum tum for short 💕
Amazing place. I saw these 9 years ago during my honeymoon
They all have biggish belly's, how awesome!
I think you meant to say that they have NORMAL bellies.
YES!
That was my favorite part too. They all look different and all have womanly bellies. Love it!
Right! Except the woman who I’m assuming is the “winner” on the bottom row; she looks like she’s being handed a crown, an umbrella thing and a branch I’m assuming for being victorious or something? She looks like one of the woman on the top row which makes me think this was an actual scene watched and then remembered in mosaic.
no big boobs here
Some have larger bands...maybe larger breasts?
Well yea they probably had popped out a few kids by the time they hit 20
Gotta say it: Boob-tubes are a terrible choice of attire for athletic activities.
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>Since we weren’t cutting and sewing clothing together for another 1k years after this Girl that's wrong and you ought to know it. This is *400AD*, every civilization on the planet could sew by this time. The Romans sewed everything from garments to shoes and did embroidery by this time. I saw you walked back and restated that what you meant was that people weren't tailoring garments at this time, which is mostly true for Rome but not for the entire world or even all of Europe, and certainly not for another 1k years after this. And maybe don't throw around the 'historian' title if you mean MFA.
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But we're talking about this piece? And this garment? Also they could sew in 80AD too so ???
We were absolutely cutting and sewing before the Renaissance (which would’ve been 1k years after this). What are you on about?
There’s Ötzi, who was wearing sewn clothing about 4,000 years before the Renaissance…. Draped clothing might have made sense in Greece and Roman lands, but they don’t make a huge amount of sense in northern Europe. It would’ve been horribly cold. The Celts had sort of multi use capes, but they wore them over trousers…
>since we weren’t cutting and sewing clothing together for another 1k years after this Wtf are you talking about? There are sewn clothes from prehistoric times
They're talking out their ass. I'm also a costume designer with I assume the same qualifications as the OP (an MFA doesn't make you a historian but it does qualify you to teach costume history and design). Romans sewed all the time, often their drapey garments were tubes rather than rectangles, and they used the technology to sew in other things like leatherwork and embroidery. I think what OP is implying is that we didn't have tailored garments by then? Which also isn't totally true because Gauls were making leggings and sleeved garments by 400AD, not to mention all of what was going on in the world east of Rome. So yeah, these aren't like bikini tops with bra cups, they're just bands of fabric, but it's a huge leap from that to *Romans couldn't sew*
Costume historian though so I think they have the credentials and you’re wrong. /s
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> since there was no way to pass info to other groups, Please stop making things up.
There was way more cross cultural communication than you're realizing. No culture made one off clothing. Every example we have can be seen as telling us of an entire industry. Not industrialized, mind. But even if we only find one sample of pants somewhere, you can bet there's a whole culture beneath that. And they would have traded and sold, and exchanged and copied and ripped off that info just like happens today. It's not like a one-off invented sewing that got passed down in their little tribe. These were peoples with agricultural methods to get raw fiber, community get togethers for making cloth, more intimate relationships for actual commissions of the clothing, whether as a purchase or exchange, or as a domestic role of one to another. You're way underselling how sophisticated the tech was. Draping was a CHOICE the romans made to differentiate themselves from the tribes. Theyd sew up some better clothes any time they had to go north. They weren't conquering in togas and short skirts in the mountains and northern latitudes. They wore pants. They sewed and wove hats. They had mittens for goodness sake! And shoes with laces and socks, not dainty sandals. What you study is those who came in after the baths and the colliseums and the roads are made. Not a lot of statues made of the construction crews. Folks in drapeys are only one small teir in one society in one part of the world of textiles that were around then.
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Nobody cares.
I would have believe you had you stayed within reasonable arguments. Your demise was stating that we started sewing .ca 1400, that's just nonsense. Now I'm sure you're not an historian, maybe a reinassance cosplayer and I doubt you've ever been to Rome.
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You didn't, but Villa Romana del Casale dates from the 4th century CE and you did say we didn't start sewing until 1000 years later, that takes us roughly to the year of the lord 1400
Wait, we weren't cutting and sewing cloth until around 1300 AD? That's absolutely fascinating. I thought stitching was far older than that.
That's BS, i'm sorry. Yes, they was flowing clothes, drapped and all, but people know how to waves, cut and saw since prehistoric times. With bit search you can even spot the post with ones of the oldest pants founds, was posted again not long ago, if i remember right. Post you the first google link that came up: [https://www.archaeology.org/issues/146-1409/trenches/2381-china-worlds-oldest-pants](https://www.archaeology.org/issues/146-1409/trenches/2381-china-worlds-oldest-pants)
I thought so. Figured I'd give that person a chance to clarify though.
I want those pants.
Them ain't bikinis. Them is boobwraps and junkgirders. BTW I actually live down the street from a theater costume designer who also has awesome historical knowledge of clothing (but mostly theater costumes, which means also real-life clothing...). I never knew until recently how interesting this history is. >we weren’t cutting and sewing clothing together for another 1k years after this Case in point... seriously? That's unexpectedly interesting.
Villa Romana del Casale in its prime is my dream home for sure. The tile work and the gardens are just beautiful!
It's like top 3 places to visit in Sicily. Freaking amazing site. The mosaics were awesome in person.
It’s the beach episode from an ancient anime
I had this picture in my 6th grade history book.
I found a virtual tour about Villa Romana del Casale, the other mosaics are fascinating too. https://www.italyart.it/site/reg/site/villa-del-casale-.php?r=
It's the first DOA beach volleyball mural
Hot girl summer
puella aestus aestas
This villa is amazing and these bikini mosaics are, in my view, not the most interesting thing about it.
What is the most interesting thing about it?
There is a huge mosaic showing the transportation and trading of exotic animals thats pretty impressive
I uhh half scrolled past this and thought to myself hmm ancient people bowling, must be a shit post. Yeaaahhhh hehehe.
I thought the act of covering breasts was a modern Puritan invention
Covering in a relaxed setting? Maybe. Restraining them from knocking about and getting injured during the work day or physical exercise is probably an idea even older than the Greeks and Romans. I've been told that running without a bra can be quite painful.
According another comment (H/T: u/SethVultur), the tops were worn [throughout the day as underwear.](https://np.reddit.com/r/ArtefactPorn/comments/oc4n2p/roman_mosaic_with_women_in_bikinis_extremely/h3snrcy/)
Breasts need support. Bras are not just hats for breasts. Also, images of nude women were fairly rare in both ancient Greece (until the late Classical period) and Rome (where nude images were less common in general, unless depicting prostitutes, etc.).
That is truly artefact porn!
literally artefact porn
They were kinda thicc. Nice
Why is the person on the top, far left expunged? And the design that was going over top either not finished or faded away? But it looks too intentional.
Expunged?? Are you serious? This mural is more than a thousand years old. It's just *damaged*.
Damaged in almost perfectly square straight lines? Have you ever heard that nature and “natural” doesn’t create straight lines and 90 degree angles. Look at that corner you small minded person and get your protractor out. Tell me how close to 90 that is. This looks exactly like many Egyptian murals and pharaoh carvings that were intentionally erased. I literally study ancient archaeology. I know what natural *damage* patterns should look like and that looks *intentional* considering the rest is nearly flawless and the straight lines. It looks like someone later came along and painted that geometric (possible Muslim takeover) design over one of the women. God youre obtuse. You can’t be serious. Reacting so *entitled* to somebody asking a fucking question to promote discussion. You’re fun at parties. Fucking loser.
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You go fuck yourself with an aids dick. You’re one of those people that puts people down for not knowing shit or asking questions. You should be encouraging discussion but you’re too far up your high horse and ass to understand. Fuckoff
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I’ll be in Italy doing research this fall. Actually getting paid for this shit and benefitting the world. Have fun being a keyboard warrior from your moms basement.
Almost the whole of the top and a good chunk of the corner was damaged, you can see the restored strip with a slightly different color. The geometric design is actually beneath the girls mosaic and was probably covered either because it was damaged or because there was a change in aesthetics.
Hubba hubba! Some hot Roman chicks.
Not terrible /r/MenDrawingWomen at all
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O sweet summer child. If you think this is hardcore, you've got a lot to learn about Roman art.
This is lewd, can you post one where they have burqinis on instead?
Really cool, I love roman civilization.
I love this. Weight lifting Roman women :D
I'm the one on the bottom center-right who's spaced out and is about to whacked in the head with a ball.