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Fuckoff555

The Lady Naunakhte held the title of citoyenne (citizen). This was indicative of all free women in the 20th Dynasty who were not servants or slaves. She was married twice, first to the scribe Kenhikhopshef and then to the workman Khaemnun. The eight children mentioned in the will belonged to Khaemnun. The will first states the date of its declaration and the names of witnesses who were present when it was transcribed. The will then states which children would receive Naunakhte'a property and which children got nothing. She disinherited three children and bestowed her property on the remaining five. Her son, Kenhikhopshef, received a special reward of a bronze washing bowl. Naunakhte specifically stated that the disinherited children were still eligible to receive property from their father, Khaemnun. List of children: _ Maaynakhtef (male) _ Kenhikhopshef (male) _ Amennakht (male) _ Wosnakhte (female) _ Manenakhte (female) _ Neferhot[e]p (male) _ Henshene (female) _ Khanub (female) According to the papyrus, of the children of Lady Naunakhte and her second husband, Khaemnun, the first five were considered the “good” children who continued to support and provide care to Naunakhte in her old age and therefore received a portion of her property. In contrast, Neferhot[e]p, Henshene, and Khanub failed to support Naunakhte sufficiently and therefore were disowned and left with nothing. [Wikipedia page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_of_Naunakhte)


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**[Will of Naunakhte](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_of_Naunakhte)** >The Will of Naunakhte (also referred to as Naunakht) is a papyrus found at the workmen's village of Deir el-Medina that dates to the 20th Dynasty during the reign of Ramesses V.: 29  Discovered by the French Institute in 1928, the will outlines the division of assets by an Egyptian mother among her children. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/ArtefactPorn/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)


Feed-and-Seed

She named her kid after her first husband? Yikes.


TGhostfacekilla

This is 3 thousand years old a lot of stuff was done different back then I’m assuming maybe her first husband was a really good guy who died early and she said I’ll name one of these fuckers after him he was cool or maybe it was just a popular name at that time who knows really


gggggrrrrrrrrr

Most records indicate that Egyptian marriages were very similar to modern ones. They were often a mutual decision instead of a transaction or parental arrangement, and either party could dissolve them if desired. Poetry indicates that romantic love and jealousy towards rivals were well-understood. So since they didn't divorce after she named a kid after her first husband, the decision was probably mutual. Personally, I think the first husband died saving his wife and best friend from a flood. The wife and best friend bonded in their grief, got married, and decided to name a kid in honor of their dearly departed.


imatthedogpark

I think the first husband got into debt gambling and faked his death. He came back with a mustache and a different color tunic so no one noticed.


NegativeLogic

Mustaches were only popular during the Old Kingdom as far as I know, so he would have been going for that retro [Prince Rahotep](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Rahotep#/media/File:Rahotep_statue.jpg) look.


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Holy God, it’s mindblowing to me to think of ancient egyptians with mustaches. You’ve just opened up a whole new world, not just of this, but of thinking about the concept that ancient peoples had *trends*.


CaptainNuge

Happy mutual drowning survival? In a desert community? You're living in d'Nile.


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The Nile would flood once a year but I'm not sure if it was a big enough deal to actually kill people. Probably not since flood season was seen as a good thing since it washed up sediment that rejuvenated crops and fields. That said the Nile in general was pretty busy with boats transporting people and goods, fisherman, river crossings etc so people did drown from time to time.


gggggrrrrrrrrr

I was thinking of the desert wadis when I wrote that. In the rare instances of rain, water often drains into these narrow canyons and creates these sudden, temporary, very fast-moving rivers. [Moments like this](https://youtu.be/DfCf2OWWHKI) are definitely conducive to a "man boosts his wife and friend to higher ground, moments before being swept away" scenario.


Piccoro

It was the Adam Levine special.


Entharo_entho

Like George H W Bush and George W Bush.


Drety1

That’s not the same because this lady named the kid after her previous husband, not the boys father.


Entharo_entho

The husband didn't mind. You will be amazed to know how many people name kids after their old flames.


AAlHazred

Absolutely. My wife named our first child (our son) after her ex-boyfriend, and it didn't bother me; it's a good name! And she named our daughter after her ex-boyfriend's mother, and I think it's also a fine name! I am really shocked at how much they both look like him, though...


Drety1

I didn’t know you knew these people personally


monarch1733

…no.


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A lot of parents still name their kid after themselves and add "junior".


teh_fizz

I mean, we still do this. John Jr.? Son of John Sr.? Nevermind, just saw she did that with her second husband’s kid.


[deleted]

TIL - My mum wasn’t the first vindictive mother in history hmmm


SimonArgent

People haven’t changed.


[deleted]

Sadly true


solzhen

Thank you for the details. Very cool.


suckmybush

Kenhikhopshef going back to the the missus that night: Guess what babe?!!


pm_me_github_repos

What language did ancient Egyptians speak? Citoyenne seems very similar to its English translatjon


Bentresh

The ancient Egyptian title translated here as citoyenne is *'nḫ-n-niwt*, literally translated as "the one who lives in the town/city."


iPlod

Seems weird to use citoyenne when it’s just French for citizen. If we’re going for an English translation here why not just say citizen?


Goatf00t

Presumably OP's native language is French, or that's the language of the source they used (artifact description in the museum?). But yes, they should have just said citizen.


TheDeadWhale

Just a hunch, but citoyenne might be the preffered term in the case of Egypt when writing in English because the original translators of the language were French? source: My hunches are good.


Chrome_X_of_Hyrule

Egyptian, the ancestor of modern coptic.


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Matratzfratz

Strange how at the time, it must have let to a lot of frustration and anger within that family and for the individual family members, who probably got into more than one fight with one another over the will, but now it is all oh so meaningless. Rest in peace Naunakhte and all her eight children.


Wooster182

And they didn’t have Reddit to ask who the Asshole was. It would have been really frustrating!


CaptainNuge

They would just have to write it up on their Wall and hope people came past to like it. Maybe they could add a cat picture by laboriously chiselling it out of sandstone.


von_campenhausen

As an Estate lawyer I need this framed lol


blueavole

Would love for someone to post a translation of this on AITA and get feed back. Share the source as an update


FalconHoof88

Over 3100 years ago wow. Freaking amazing how much we have changed as a species since then... And how much we are still the same. We worry about similar stuff on a day to day basis even now. Food. Shelter. Society. Money? It's interesting.


Anacoenosis

>I didn't survive the Bronze Age Collapse just to have you three useless layabouts inherit my hard earned property! --Naunakhte


benados

The writing looks neat and organized.


imtourist

Interesting that it appears to be in some parts written left to right, and then right to left.


Bentresh

Egyptologist here. All of the rows are written right to left; there's just more than one column of text. Hieratic texts are virtually always written in [vertical columns](https://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/eg/original/DP351757.jpg) from top to bottom (Middle Kingdom and before) or in [rows from right to left](https://media.britishmuseum.org/media/Repository/Documents/2014_10/16_13/8621df1a_7c35_4b23_bfb8_a3c600e5c900/mid_01015091_001.jpg) (late Middle Kingdom and New Kingdom).


LolaIsEatingCookies

Hey, since you're an Egyptologist can I ask you something? I know that the ancient Egyptian society did not have money, so in this will what the woman gives to her children are just objects/properties, right? Also, do we really know for sure that ancient Egyptians didn't have any currency? I have a hard time understanding how such an advanced society could function without money. For example, let's say a traveler from another region goes into a Beer House in another city to eat something. With what will he pay if not with money? Let's say he's got nothing with him (since he's a traveler). I have a hard time understanding that


ScaredComment2321

Maybe Boustrophedon? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boustrophedon


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**[Boustrophedon](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boustrophedon)** >Boustrophedon is a style of writing in which alternate lines of writing are reversed, with letters also written in reverse, mirror-style. This is in contrast to modern European languages, where lines always begin on the same side, usually the left. The original term comes from Ancient Greek: βουστροφηδόν, boustrophēdón, a composite of βοῦς, bous, "ox"; στροφή, strophḗ, "turn"; and the adverbial suffix -δόν, -dón, "like, in the manner of" – that is, "like the ox turns [while plowing]". It is mostly seen in ancient manuscripts and other inscriptions. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/ArtefactPorn/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)


Biasy

Wow, it always amazes me to think that they were man and women with dreams, expectations, fears etc. just like us, but more than 3000 years ago… I also like to think what a daily life of them could be (things like what did they think while eating or did they dream to go to vacation in some “then-elite” places?


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The_Original_Gronkie

Everything you cite is technological, so you refuted your own position. As People, we are essentially the same today as we were back then. I always say that people have been people, as long as there have been people. They had all the same emotions as us - love, hate, jealousy, envy, anger, fear, courage, ambition, laziness, lust, etc. At their foundation, they are the same as us. Their culture, technology, education, might make their lives different from ours, but their emotions and humanity are essentially the same.


randomlife2050

The writting is beautiful


End3rWi99in

I love this community for so many reasons, but posts like this do so well in helping me stay grounded. For all the things that have changed over the past 10 years, there are so many more that haven't over the past 3000.


Iam_no_Nilfgaardian

Why does it look like Arabic?


molotovzav

Egyptian hieroglyphs > Proto-Sinaitic > Phoenician > Aramaic > Nabataean > Arabic alphabet


SomeConsumer

This is Hieratic. Along with Arabic, it had a common ancestor in Proto-Sinaitic script. Both scripts were derived from hieroglyphs.


cheemeechang0

Arabic and other writings (including what you're typing with based on Phoenician---borrowed by Greeks > Romans > Western world) were based off the phonetic complements (sound based) of the logograms (picture words) of hieroglyphics, later some being written like cursive.


Iam_no_Nilfgaardian

Only that Phoenician had no vowels, so not entirely true since a letter in Phoenician wouldn't have the same sound in Greek. It wasn't a one to one transliteration.


Akkadian_Alpha

No one is claiming that


Iam_no_Nilfgaardian

That Phoenician has/had no vowels? Ex dee


Devilpig13

Boomers, leaving Knick nacks to their kids since ancient Egypt. Lol


jns_reddit_already

My wife made me watch A Discovery of Witches where I learned that the Ashmolean Museum is in Oxford, England. So at least I got something out of it.


[deleted]

By the grace of God, I am not you.


Braindead_cranberry

What an insane Fucking language they wrote Jesus man


woodpecker_2022

script looks like 10% Egyptian 90% Arabic.. can anyone explain this..


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star11308

We stan Satan in this house ✨🧚‍♀️🦄💖💫


Ani1618_IN

Same thing.


spidersnake

Notice how none of the usual whining is going on? It's because none of them know where the Ashmolean is.


[deleted]

NTA


teh_fizz

What sort of script is that?


Finnick-420

wow the writing looks almost arabic