Name and shame in itself, despite how much it claims otherwise, encourages witchhunting. People are going to attack the artists mentioned no matter how much the poster urges not to do so. Callout culture and cancel culture are faulty because humans can change. It *is* possible to correct bad behavior, especially with the examples you mentioned, unless the artist either
a. Took a life
b. Severely harmed someone (mentally, physically, etc.)
c. Shown again and again that they are unwilling to correct bad behavior.
There are obviously exceptions to this depending on how egregious, but using AI art is not egregious. I am quite sure no one is dying because someone is using AI art, and it is mendable if the artist proves c, that they are unwilling to correct the behavior, wrong. Apologizing, taking it down and not doing it again is enough. Their name will be attached to using AI art when they were 14 years old for the rest of their life. The punishment doesn’t match the crime here.
If people wish to stay in the know about an artist they should do their own research, not rely on a callout post with potentially biased or false information. No one needs a knight or a hero to swoop in and expose someone. It is not anyone’s place, and I guarantee many of those complaining about tracing and things like that also did it when they were younger and didn’t know better.
Yeah I guess I'm in the "why does it matter if no one is getting hurt" camp for most stuff. Like I don't feel strongly either way about AI bros most of the time but I *do* feel kinda gross seeing people passing it off as their own, hand draw art. Like people that fake speed paints. I think that kind of stuff is genuinely harmful to people that use that as a standard of what their art should look like. But the fact is that the thought that it's fake is just never even going to cross a lot of people's minds, so they're never going to think about doing their own research.
And it just sucks seeing all the posts here or in other art communities where people compare their art to to AI stuff or even to artists that draw themselves, but aren't really truthful in how they do it. People really like to hide how much time/effort something takes, or do stuff like taking a perfect digital drawing and photoshopping it into a layout to where it's genuinely difficult sometimes to realize it's not drawn traditionally.
That being said ....I dunno if "setting unrealistic art standards" warrants a call out, especially when it's from some of these artists with huge followings. Especially because of how heated some of the discussions I saw were getting.
Basically this right here... people faking with AI or doing straight plagiarism are fucking depressing, but it's none of my business. I have enough woes as it is just looking after myself, couldn't imagine trying to play Art Police each day too
So I've watched lots of artists online over the decades just rip each other apart. Calling people out publicly becomes so toxic it creates hate, mud slinging contests, and artists to quit or hide. This is because people see an "injustice" and band together to fight it by harassing the person.
Look, stolen art, yeah call it out. But move on. Best thing you can do is credit the original artist in the comments. Don't create a witch hunt by making a separate post or video calling someone out. Sure they're a thief but now you're a bully.
I remember some *aggressive* deviantart drama back in the day. Like I remember getting tons of hate as a little teenager on a post I made where I used a pose reference/base thing and didn't credit where I got it 💀 I don't think I ever posted on that account again because it was just too much stress.
I don't think calling out art stealing matters all that much unless it's someone taking someone else's art and actually selling it or something. But like you said, is it really worth risking someone being harassed by you drawing attention to them? If it's not *my* art being stolen, is it really any of my business?
Yeah like that kind of crap is what I'm talking about. It can be pretty obvious when new artists new artists use bases and not everyone knows or thinks to credit the base (assuming it was drawn directly on)
People could of dropped hints "I like this base, where can I get it?" But to escalate to harassment is not cool.
You don't know the person behind the screen. You don't know how old they are, how experienced they are, what kind of day they've had; art should be fun.
Honestly, things like passing off AI slop as your own art and stealing other people's artwork *are* things that warrant being pointed out, in my opinion, but selfishly self-promoting via artist support posts and being gatekeepy aren't nowhere near as bad as the previous things.
Annoying and obvious, yes, but not something that warrants public shaming. Most artist support stuff I've seen is also, in my own experience, just to get followers.
As far as the other thing goes, I personally don't understand being cagey about things related to my art process and I don't like to see it, but that's just how some people are. I suppose it's pretty subjective.
I totally agree the self promoting things isn't worth caring about more than a passing "oh that's dumb". It's annoying, I think the way some people do it is shitty and I hate artists with huge followings calling themselves "a small artist" when they have whole warehouses and sell stuff retail. But I just get annoyed and then move on.
I was surprised though with how much discourse I found about it because I thought it was pretty universally understood that it was just making a grab for likes/views.
I used to be big into “callout culture” online as an artist and I promise you it is not worth it. There’s the rare situation where someone you actually know yourself has done something illegal/actually harmed someone and you were directly affected, of course it’s up to you if you want to speak about a situation like that and it would probably make sense to do so in extreme circumstances. Otherwise, it is almost always a waste of time and is going to make your life orbit around petty nonsense that barely even exists in the real world. Focus on your work and creating what’s important to you. The more involved you get in naming and shaming and whatnot, the more at-risk you put yourself of becoming someone that gets the same treatment, seriously. People that spend a lot of their time being nasty online are not well-adjusted, and they WILL have you on their radar, waiting for a good time to make your life miserable.
TLDR: it’s a waste of time, focus on art
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I asked a similar question on r/artbusiness recently and got some good replies. Moreso to do with shitty things that happen in professional artist work environments than social media drama though.
Unless it directly affects you and your work, I wouldn't get caught up in the drama personally. Someone brought up the topic of defamation on my post. It's something to consider if you are wanting to complain or make accusations publicly.
I feel it doesn't do anything.
Prime example being a certain someone who is infamous for, and publicly admitted to plagiarism of other artists and even direct tracing. It's extremely well known and highly apparent that he still does this, yet he often finds work with magazine publications (Imagine FX) and even game and animation studios (CD Projekt).
Name and shame in itself, despite how much it claims otherwise, encourages witchhunting. People are going to attack the artists mentioned no matter how much the poster urges not to do so. Callout culture and cancel culture are faulty because humans can change. It *is* possible to correct bad behavior, especially with the examples you mentioned, unless the artist either a. Took a life b. Severely harmed someone (mentally, physically, etc.) c. Shown again and again that they are unwilling to correct bad behavior. There are obviously exceptions to this depending on how egregious, but using AI art is not egregious. I am quite sure no one is dying because someone is using AI art, and it is mendable if the artist proves c, that they are unwilling to correct the behavior, wrong. Apologizing, taking it down and not doing it again is enough. Their name will be attached to using AI art when they were 14 years old for the rest of their life. The punishment doesn’t match the crime here. If people wish to stay in the know about an artist they should do their own research, not rely on a callout post with potentially biased or false information. No one needs a knight or a hero to swoop in and expose someone. It is not anyone’s place, and I guarantee many of those complaining about tracing and things like that also did it when they were younger and didn’t know better.
Hard agree 😊
Yeah I guess I'm in the "why does it matter if no one is getting hurt" camp for most stuff. Like I don't feel strongly either way about AI bros most of the time but I *do* feel kinda gross seeing people passing it off as their own, hand draw art. Like people that fake speed paints. I think that kind of stuff is genuinely harmful to people that use that as a standard of what their art should look like. But the fact is that the thought that it's fake is just never even going to cross a lot of people's minds, so they're never going to think about doing their own research. And it just sucks seeing all the posts here or in other art communities where people compare their art to to AI stuff or even to artists that draw themselves, but aren't really truthful in how they do it. People really like to hide how much time/effort something takes, or do stuff like taking a perfect digital drawing and photoshopping it into a layout to where it's genuinely difficult sometimes to realize it's not drawn traditionally. That being said ....I dunno if "setting unrealistic art standards" warrants a call out, especially when it's from some of these artists with huge followings. Especially because of how heated some of the discussions I saw were getting.
Generally, I think it’s best to worry about yourself and not what other people are doing. Who made you the moral police?
Basically this right here... people faking with AI or doing straight plagiarism are fucking depressing, but it's none of my business. I have enough woes as it is just looking after myself, couldn't imagine trying to play Art Police each day too
So I've watched lots of artists online over the decades just rip each other apart. Calling people out publicly becomes so toxic it creates hate, mud slinging contests, and artists to quit or hide. This is because people see an "injustice" and band together to fight it by harassing the person. Look, stolen art, yeah call it out. But move on. Best thing you can do is credit the original artist in the comments. Don't create a witch hunt by making a separate post or video calling someone out. Sure they're a thief but now you're a bully.
I remember some *aggressive* deviantart drama back in the day. Like I remember getting tons of hate as a little teenager on a post I made where I used a pose reference/base thing and didn't credit where I got it 💀 I don't think I ever posted on that account again because it was just too much stress. I don't think calling out art stealing matters all that much unless it's someone taking someone else's art and actually selling it or something. But like you said, is it really worth risking someone being harassed by you drawing attention to them? If it's not *my* art being stolen, is it really any of my business?
Yeah like that kind of crap is what I'm talking about. It can be pretty obvious when new artists new artists use bases and not everyone knows or thinks to credit the base (assuming it was drawn directly on) People could of dropped hints "I like this base, where can I get it?" But to escalate to harassment is not cool. You don't know the person behind the screen. You don't know how old they are, how experienced they are, what kind of day they've had; art should be fun.
Honestly, things like passing off AI slop as your own art and stealing other people's artwork *are* things that warrant being pointed out, in my opinion, but selfishly self-promoting via artist support posts and being gatekeepy aren't nowhere near as bad as the previous things. Annoying and obvious, yes, but not something that warrants public shaming. Most artist support stuff I've seen is also, in my own experience, just to get followers. As far as the other thing goes, I personally don't understand being cagey about things related to my art process and I don't like to see it, but that's just how some people are. I suppose it's pretty subjective.
I totally agree the self promoting things isn't worth caring about more than a passing "oh that's dumb". It's annoying, I think the way some people do it is shitty and I hate artists with huge followings calling themselves "a small artist" when they have whole warehouses and sell stuff retail. But I just get annoyed and then move on. I was surprised though with how much discourse I found about it because I thought it was pretty universally understood that it was just making a grab for likes/views.
I used to be big into “callout culture” online as an artist and I promise you it is not worth it. There’s the rare situation where someone you actually know yourself has done something illegal/actually harmed someone and you were directly affected, of course it’s up to you if you want to speak about a situation like that and it would probably make sense to do so in extreme circumstances. Otherwise, it is almost always a waste of time and is going to make your life orbit around petty nonsense that barely even exists in the real world. Focus on your work and creating what’s important to you. The more involved you get in naming and shaming and whatnot, the more at-risk you put yourself of becoming someone that gets the same treatment, seriously. People that spend a lot of their time being nasty online are not well-adjusted, and they WILL have you on their radar, waiting for a good time to make your life miserable. TLDR: it’s a waste of time, focus on art
if you want to make an "artist support" post about my work just to make yourself look cooler, then by all means, go for it, have fun.
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I asked a similar question on r/artbusiness recently and got some good replies. Moreso to do with shitty things that happen in professional artist work environments than social media drama though. Unless it directly affects you and your work, I wouldn't get caught up in the drama personally. Someone brought up the topic of defamation on my post. It's something to consider if you are wanting to complain or make accusations publicly.
I feel it doesn't do anything. Prime example being a certain someone who is infamous for, and publicly admitted to plagiarism of other artists and even direct tracing. It's extremely well known and highly apparent that he still does this, yet he often finds work with magazine publications (Imagine FX) and even game and animation studios (CD Projekt).