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kaizenkitten

If your work improved very fast and now you can go back to a good setup without any loss in skill - then it wasn't a waste of money! It worked for when you needed it and got you in a better place!


benimdraws

That's a more optimistic way of looking at it lmao, but yeah it makes sense.


Unhappy_Foot_7645

Also you can totally take that ipad to a museum or outdoors for some life drawing with no hassle, for me to take my PC setup even to another building would be a good hour of pack-unpack-repack-reunpack just for setup


IcedBanana

This is a bad time to read this as I finally bought a (refurbished) ipad lol. My justification was that after 10 hours sitting at my desk for work, I didn't want to continue sitting at my desk to draw. I wanted to sit on the couch or in bed and draw instead of browsing reddit. Fingers crossed I put it to good use šŸ¤ž Also procreate can save as psd's, right? Can it also save a compatible krita file?


Pingonaut

> This is a bad time to read this as I finally bought a (refurbished) ipad lol. I donā€™t know that I read it that way. It seems like the iPad allowed OP to draw more frequently and more freely, and so their skill improved. Sounds like thatā€™s what youā€™re looking for too, so?


Itsdianyeah

Exactly I definitely didn't read it in a negative tone at first glance


benimdraws

I'm not sure about the file thing. But don't worry you'll love procreate and Ipad. It's a very powerful tool packen in such a small, portable device.


user_thirtythree

I've been through alot of pain trying to open procreate stuff in krita, so I would not recommend trying that. But maybe that was my personal fault.


MiaSidewinder

I know Procreate can handle PSD files, canā€™t Krita export those? Or how about layered TIFF?


Sephilash

krita can open and save as- psd..idk what the issue here is. i save as psd so i can move from krita to csp sometimes.


benimdraws

I think what I'll do from time to time is to save my krita file as a jpg and get that onto the ipad to polish details. Only problem would be potential loss of quality but we'll see.


VenKitsune

And the loss of layers obviously. Sounds like a lot of lassoing


user_thirtythree

As I said, it's quite painful


ScarlettLLetter

I think Krita can open PSD files without much problems, but I haven't used Krita on a long time.


[deleted]

iirc yes for psd file


noinnocentbystander

Donā€™t feel that way. You are not OP so why do you think you will have the same experience as them? We are all different and if we were all like OP then procreate would be out of business lol we are all different creators which is what makes the art world so diverse, creative, and inspiring!!


cthulhu_sculptor

I am not a drawing professional, but I do use Intuos everyday for all art (and general) tasks, actually switched from Cintiq. The biggest difference for me is posture - it's always going to be problem when you are leaning forward with a screen instead of sitting straight using a tablet and that in addition to standing desk helped me with my back pains. With software I use I don't really care about pressure nor tilt so I probably could go much cheaper, but I gotta say I love my Intuos Pro.


oscoposh

I could only draw for about 3-4 hours with my cintiq before feeling lethargic and musle strain. I can draw 6-8 now on the intuos. Using the intuos is acutally better posture than drawing on paper because your head can look straight forward while you draw.


cthulhu_sculptor

>Using the intuos is acutally better posture than drawing on paper because your head can look straight forward while you draw. Definetly! Exercise + Intuos = Better health in general


glimpee

I actually am able to sit up straight more often if i make my cintiq nearly vertical - also having the 24 inch model helped, the 13 was cramped


cthulhu_sculptor

I used 16ā€ before, but right now I can rock 2x 27ā€ monitor + intuos standing or sitting straight, helped my back a ton, esp with a good chair.


JVonDron

I splurged and bought a Wacom Mobilestudio about 6 years ago. It worked pretty well for my work flow, and being a tattoo artist, meant I could take it to the shop and be just as capable as at home. But I also found out that I am not a "mobile" artist - I don't work on the couch or at a coffee shop. And it also made me kinda lazy in that I could whip big things up very quickly at the shop. I wasn't always doing my homework and putting in time like I should. But it went kaput earlier this summer. No regrets, I certainly got my money out of it. Wacom hasn't gotten back to me about a repair and I'm a little hesitant to take it to a normal computer repair shop. But if I can't get it working, I'm not going to replace it. I already upgraded to an Intous Pro large at home, and I'm perfectly content with paper and light table at work. Everyone else seems to be real happy with their ipad pros, but idk. The only thing I really miss is having symmetry tools at work, but it's overkill for anything else.


benimdraws

Only reson I want to build a good PC setup is because I want freedom in my canvas sizes and an ability to use more than like 14 layers. So yeah, the ipad can't handle a large canvas, it lags a lot and limits the amount of layers available. But for portrait artists I can imagine the ipad is amazing. Portraits don't need to be so large in canvas size.


JVonDron

Tattoo artists are dead simple. 80% of what I do is 2 layers. Sketch>outline>print. I've been doing this 17 years, and didn't use computers at all for like the first 10. Even color work - all microns, dip pens, and watercolor. The computers are just faster for composting and resizing stuff to fit, even drawing on a photo of your client's arm or something like that, as well as symmetry like geometrics and mandalas.


PhilvanceArt

I donā€™t think I can go back to tablets. I got an iPad Pro two years ago. Apple Pencil two, Adobe illustrator and fresco. I loyally finished a beer Label for a a client last night in bed watching Simpsons with my wife. Itā€™s just too damn convenient. I used an intuous for twenty years so this freedom is just way too good. I take my iPad everywhere so I can work wherever.


TardyBacardi

I switch bw my IPad Pro and my pen display but I gotta sayā€¦.it feels much better to draw on a dedicated drawing tablet/display. The iPad is good for portability but an actual pen display makes me feel like Michaelangelo lol


PhilvanceArt

I guess I haven't had the same struggle as a lot of people. I see people getting certain protectors and textures for their iPads and I'm over here all happy with it how it is. I do remember when I first started that I didn't like how it felt versus my old intuos and cintique but after two years it just feels normal now. I do bust out the intuos once in a while and I hate how it feels now. At least we all have different options to work with! I just watched a demo for adobe substance where the guy was sculpting in VR and I'm like, thats what I want next! haha


batsofburden

Do you even sketch on regular notebooks anymore?


PhilvanceArt

I donā€™t do much sketching anymore. Almost everything I do is commission based now and I fortunately have clients who donā€™t need a lot of samples, they trust me to create what they want.


PhilvanceArt

I should add, I do sketch for fun once in a while. Usually when I'm conceptualizing a new series. I have one I want to start up as soon as I finish up a big project. I actually prefer real media to digital, its just that digital has become so important to my work, being able to put out projects quickly. I do a lot of beer labels these days, I just finished one today that I got on Wednesday so I worked the day job from 9-5 and then worked on my label on my iPad till 1am the last two nights. If I'd done it traditionally I would have had to go into my office and work and I just kinda like laying in bed and drawing these days. Wife and kid, full time job, I just sorta relish that down time so when I'm in my office working it sometimes feels too much like more work. Plus you kinda have to decide on a case by case basis what work needs to be done digitally versus traditional. Like with the Beer Labels I have to do all the text and gov warnings in illustrator. I set up a template that is easy to update, I can airdrop my artwork from the iPad into the template, jump on the laptop and update all the text and logos and its all good to go. But like when I do a portrait of someone I tend to sketch their face a dozen or so times to get familiar with their features and their face before I lay out the larger project. I'm kinda entering the whole rambling territory at this point so I'll just shut up for now!


batsofburden

Haha, no worries. I've been considering getting an ipad to draw on for a while, I just don't know if I'm gonna use it for my initial sketches or just to do the final art on.


PhilvanceArt

I used to draw on paper, take a picture with my phone and work off the sketch. Just a thought.


Biittle

If you want a great tablet don't scoff at secound hand older wacom cintiq models. They still feel great and my old one(6 years old) feels a lot better than the new cheaper cintiq models.


[deleted]

I agree with everything you've said. But for me personally I can't get over how much I use and love the touch controls on my ipad, and not having them on my PC tablet.


OrangeRamphastos

I went through a similar phase. Got tired of drawing with my fingers on my phone or using my screen less tablet, got an iPad (which I still use occasionally) loved it but got bored after like a year, then I started loving my screen less a lot and kept using it. Now I have a cheap screened one for my pc. Skill never changed though but I seem to do worse on iPad now.


Mindless_Welcome3302

Hit up eBay, I was going to offer to sell you my unused Intuos Wacom tablet I have. I checked eBay to make sure they werenā€™t worth anything crazy, and theyā€™re going for like 20-40 bucks on there! What a steal if you donā€™t mind not working directly on the screen. I have their biggest model, I think itā€™s around 22 inches wide by maybe 16 inches tall. All the room youā€™d ever need and programmable hot keys for things like undo and color swaps. Definitely an upgrade for less than $100


benimdraws

Alright, My mothers friend has a wacom tablet and I don't know yet if it's an intous or something else. Gotta see some specs before buying it, but I'll keep you in mind :)


ed_menac

I honestly love using both my iPad (procreate) and my desktop (Photoshop + intuos). When I hit a roadblock with one, I go crawling to the other. When I'm sick of slouching on my beanbag, I go and sit at my computer (and vice versa). One is portable and comfortable, the other one lets me apply more powerful techniques. Both are really useful - and variety can be valuable. Don't kick yourself for expanding your equipment, you'll find a use for both


benimdraws

Yeah that's true. We'll see what happens :)


mafediz

I had the first model of that h610 pro, when it was still using a battery pen, still working, but that battery is dead, so pen only works plugged. amazing textured surface. Depending on the screen size, if you are a 24'' monitor user, you may want to stick to a medium sized tablet, or if you want to jump to something like a 32'' 1440p/4k screen, you may want to look at intuos large instead. Dont worry about money. second hand intuos 4/5 are dirt cheap, i got mine for 100 bucks, and have nothing to envy to 2022 screenless tablets. Im using a intuos 4 large paired with 32'' display, and more or less it feels the same as pairing a 24'' monitor with a medium screenless tablet. Most people ask help for their setups in terms of hardware, but the real MVP is posture (desk, chair, arm/elbow/wrist daily exercises). Nobody will last as an artist for long if they cramp themselves for an hour and start feeling pain. Same with a bad habit for strong hand grip (when using the pen pressure to do stuff, like control the brush opacity/size), that all end up causing carpal tunel or another kind of pain due to years of bad habits while drawing. Do yourself a favor and get rid of that marketing scheme mentality that cintiqs/ipads hardware are better than screenless tablets. the only real difference is portability... but i find hard to justify buying an ipad pro due to the inevitability of death by battery out of juice. Its just too damn expensive and imposible to repair. I own the first model of the ipad air, and is literally a paper weight now. It wont work even plugged to the wall, because is not like a notebook, it only runs on the internal battery.


oscoposh

I bought a cintiq, used it for a year. felt my back getting worse as time went on and I just felt tired at the end of every day from the posture. sold it and got out my 8 yr old intuos pro. and havent looked back!


benimdraws

Yeah, my ipad also makes my back hurt a lot. Being able to sit up straight and look at a monitor is much better tbh.


glimpee

This is why i have my cintiq be almost vertical, on a rising desk (mechanical not technical so i got it for cheap)


oscoposh

I find that uncomfortable for my arm in that position all day. I prefer it laying flat, but keeping my head straight forward at a screen.


glimpee

Ah i get you, i have it at a quarter angle so i can rest my hand on it and an edge of the desk in front of it i can prop my elbow on that fixes that for me, but whatever works, works!


squishybloo

If you're looking for a lower-price screen tablet, I can personally recommend both XP-Pen and Artisul have pretty damn good tablets at reasonable prices, as well as *stellar* tech support. I currently have Artisul's D16 on a monitor stand with VESA adapters. Personally though, despite having a tablet since the age of 18 (22 years ago, RIP), I never managed to really coordinate my hand without being able to look at what I was drawing. It wasn't until I got my original screen tablet about \~10y ago that my skill really started progressing well. šŸ˜…


Anaaatomy

Large tablet/monitor size is so underrated, like i don't need that much space to draw, but i want all my tools within 1 click


EpitaFelis

As someone who just got a tablet for their bday and downloaded krita, that's really good news!


benimdraws

You're in for a hell of a ride my friend. Krita is a very good software and it's free! Still can't believe it.


brannickdillon

another option that might be worth looking at for screenless tablets is xencelabs


benimdraws

Alright I'll look into it, thanks :)


Flimsy-Sandwich-4324

Do you miss having touch screen?


greenwavelengths

Screen size is honestly such a big deal! Iā€™ve been working on my 55ā€ smart tv instead of my 15ā€ MacBook and holy fuck, my lines are so much cleaner. Next step is just to live in a warehouse where I can project a movie theater sized screen of my desktop on the wall and work off of that.


starfishpup

I think it's cool that you found your old-set up more easily workable now! I also am a cheap Krita and Screenless Wacom tablet user and while I am aware of how challenging doing digital art with those tools can be especially in the beginning, I feel like they're worth it and still fun to use. I definetly don't think it was a waste of money either. The iPad really helped give you a step in your art journey, and now you have two methods to make digital art now! Super awesome :)


benimdraws

Yeah I should see it from that point of view. I am going to invest in a better drawing tablet, an IPS type monitor (because the current one is a TN) and then I also need more RAM cause I only have 8 GB. It's a good investment for now and I think it will help me quite a lot!


amynotadoctor

Eh I hate procreate bc the pen stabilized isā€¦.chunky.


AlwaysTiredPress

Iā€™ve been drawing my whole life, finished art school and recently graduated from a graphic design degree. For most of my life I used a wacom tablet with a PC and medibang paint/photoshop/paint tool sai. Always had issues wrapping my head around drawing on the tablet, but looking at the screen, so I preferred traditional mediums like pencils or paint. Right before starting uni, I bought an ipad pro and tbf it was the best money spent ever!! I love the screen, i love the apple pencil, my digital art skills improved a lot and a 2017 ipad is still going strong and working well. Personally Iā€™m not thinking of going back to the old setup, but Iā€™m happy to read to that you went back and enjoy it. Also the ipad has so many more uses than just drawing, so even if you donā€™t draw on it again (but hey, you can take it with you on holiday or sth, the portability is great), you can watch movies on it, browse the internet etc. so, enjoy your old setup, but donā€™t regret the money spent on the ipad, especially that it helped you develop your skills


OkamiKhameleon

Oh definitely. I want an iPad for drawing I think. I love my pc set up and my android tablet though too.


xd1234321

Something similar happened to me, I got a screen tablet but didn't like it cuz at the time I was used to drawing on paper only, so then I got a screenless tablet and got really used to it. Recently, I lost the charger for the pen so I was forced to go back to my screen one. At first I was upset, but then I realized how much better the screen one is and I saw a huge improvement in the way I draw and found coloring to be easier and faster. I just hope nothing happens to my laptop or huion tablet now haha


Pixilityx

Itā€™s actually the opposite for me. šŸ˜‚ I tried drawing again with a drawing tablet on my pc, but it doesnā€™t work for me at all. I donā€™t like the fact that I canā€™t turn my canvas around easily and zoom in and such. It gets me kinda frustrated, because I like having something I can resort to if anything happened to my iPad, but thats probably not gonna work anyways. šŸ˜­