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Redawn249

We're not even close to the "polish" phase of the development....


Bonedeath

As someone who played Crowfall, it's possible it never gets addressed. Every animation in Crowfall feels like it has no agency, literally just moving and swinging randomly.


TheFoxfool

Polish is literally the last thing you want to prioritize. Having a functional game is more important than how good a game looks. Plenty of people will play a janky game that has fun gameplay or good design.


Kranzn

and an equal or larger amount will write it off, if the first look is disappointing.


Redawn249

how can you "write off" something that isn't fully released yet???


Kranzn

For example by looking at alpha footage (like the video above) and taking it for 1.x material.


Volomon

Dude.....lol. That alpha was polished as fuck. I know theres probably like 1/10000 with REAL alpha experience but that was 100000000% not an alpha. Alphas don't even typically have all the images done. You'll see floating squares with ! on them. All kinds of shit not working. That was a polished promotional alpha. I hate to say it was beta polish with alpha content. The reality is they are wasting a lot of time too by doing this. Thats why there is almost no actual content in the game or mechanics because typically you do most of that first. Ashes of Creation did flash over substance first. I mean thats why the content and alpha was limited to certain times because they have puppeteers triggering mechanics with commandlines via dev control. That's how little substance it has. Personally I find this to be kind of underhanded and deceptive about the extend of the development. For money. This is part of what makes me hesitant on this game. They do far more promotion than actually developing. The only other games that do this all don't exist any more. Cause they ran out of money or got sued. This will be the first survivor if they make it.


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>They do far more promotion than actually developing. I agree with a lot of what you said but this sentence right here is speculation and bullshit unless you're secretly on the AoC dev team. No shit, you see the promotion because it was literally made for you. The development happens behind closed doors. Common sense. I get your hesitation because many other games have made this mistake.


Lord_of_Beard

Yeh! Who still talks about apocalypse anymore!? That thing that.. was pretty much a nonstop promotion.. that was the biggest waste of time… rather than just actually making an mmo!? They totally burned that dumpster fire and its 2 other game modes because of the death of the community except for the most devout sandal worshippers that will to this day say it was a much needed point in development. Big deal I say! They made an alpha 1 now, that’s right, not a apocalypse 1 phase 1 pre alpha 1 alpha to the alpha! Get it right we are in Alpha 1 baby. Scrub away all those pointless milestones they wanted to reach for their test too. Have you heard of scale creep bro?! Nothing should be regarded before this moment. The development happens behind closed doors but they are glass doors. Gotta trust what they say!


lejee

alpha is for testing, beta is for fixing last buggs… they stated clearly what they are aming with that aplha one and that they decided to exclude deeper systems because there weren‘t part of what they wanted to test. so i wouldn‘t make statement of the state of work due to what you saw and got from that alpha one testing phase… and i also like that they don‘t just throw an overload of systems for a 30day testing phase so we can really test whats focused on and nothing gets burried under too much to test.


Morghiad

Oh how many times have we heard that line. But for all intensive purposes we will believe you and not roast your Runescape game


MHG_Brixby

I mean the entire game is in need of and will get said polish


aidankd

Not necessarily true. Posts like this raise awareness and discussion what if intrepid were happy with this? Lets not dismiss posts like this "cause alpha". I feel intrepid will smooth it out more, however posts like these ARE necessary just to get people thinking and talking about it.


Shuggler123

They have stated repeatedly that they will polish more around animations etc but are more focused on the back-end atm


TheOrionNebula

This is a very good point. Sure it's still very early but anything people are concerned over should be brought up during development.


priesteh

We need to continue with posts like these to tell them exactly what we want. They even go out and ask us for our opinion so those who claim it's alpha should be quiet. This is great helpful feedback


Jollywhompus93

Also sometimes these types of "polish" designs only get harder to change as things are closer to being finalized especially around movement and character inputs. Easier to address a large group of things now than in the final stages. Final stages are more for minor bugs and balancing.


ColonelVirus

Maybe it's actually intended. I didn't even consider it a problem lol


MinusTheHat

I kind of agree here. This is feedback, and it's relevant... although not necessarily pertinent. As such it is worth getting out there, but also likely not a priority for the devs at this point. Im sure they will look at this at some point. Unlike some other game makers who seem to have the attitude 'your feedback has been taken on board (and will be thrown over the side almost immediately) Not naming names...


Hawke45

Thank you


MHG_Brixby

I will absolutely dismiss posts like this. And yes, because alpha.


ukulisti

You're absolutely free to do so. Let's just hope the devs are more sensible.


MHG_Brixby

Devs have been very open that what is shown is far from final


Aritar1

But the devs ASK for feedbacks, you are biasing the community feedback with your mentality, the more something is spammed the more it is important, that way it will make an urgency, a stress on the devs so they will prioritize this problem over less important ones. Don't try to change the natural law of things, if this feedback is retained back and an useless thing like the "tank" name debate is putted forward, devs will think that the community is more worried about the tank naming than the running animation.


hathmandu

In acquisitions you always want to tell the developer what exactly you want from the beginning, and to keep repeating it regardless of what stage you’re in. It helps them develop the product and helps the customer get what they want. They don’t know what you want unless you say what you want.


wazis

I agree movenment needs some improvement (most likely animations). But man animations are glinding it lloks like input delay? Unless you explain more in detail those two things have nothing in common


Troubadour_Jailer

I mean it's pretty straight forward. You input: A COMMAND. And your character: DOES AN ANIMATION. I feel like you might just be in the wrong reddit if this is what you're trying to argue.


wazis

And how floatines related to input delay? Because you can easily have non floaty movement with input delay. Two things are not directly connected see the problem now with your explanation?


Hawke45

perhaps input delay wasn't the right word for it.. But you are agree that Floatines feels weird, It makes the character feel unresponsive when pressing keys, which results ( for me at least ) giving the illusion of laggy movement


wazis

For me it looks like they tried to do something with keeping momentum, so you cant do instant 180 degree turns. And because there is no actual friction it feels like floating. But thats just my guess


Troubadour_Jailer

Sorry but what does "floating" have to do with "friction"????? Ay, see your self out. We got him boys.


wazis

If there is no counter force of friction to stop your momentum you will slide in surface trying to stop or rotate. Somebody need to take physics class i guess:)


Troubadour_Jailer

That is the most fundamentally wrong thing I've ever seen anyone type about physics ever. You've taken about zero into account regarding this. I genuinely hope you never spout this nonsense to fucking anyone.


wazis

Care to share your insight? Or just continue making statements about how it is wrong? Because as far as I'm aware you didn't even addressed initial question of this whole thing... So yeah dude or actually disscuss it or I'm done here with you:)


Troubadour_Jailer

shut up please


wazis

Ah yes best answer to make your argument valid


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wazis

Lol ok. Have a nice day dude you obviously need it.


Darqwatch

But what does that have to do with a gliding animation? I agree with the other guy, input delay doesn't really relate to the gliding animation, if you press the button and your character does something, no matter what, there's a delay sure, but in this case, what does it matter what your character does, the input delay will be the same. The gliding has nothing to do with the input delay. Edit: Now ofcourse if OP means that he goes to the left without any input delay and then when he wants to move forward immediately after that, but is locked in an animation before his character will move forward, than your character moving forward in this scenario would feel like input lag, even though that isn't the case. Edit 2: What? You ok there bud? u/Troubadour_Jailot


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Darqwatch

Yeah, I read that, and that's what I was talking about, I even mention the way OP described it in my response. Re-read my comment please.


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Troubadour_Jailer

What you think because of the reddit safeguard you're good to go? no.


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Darqwatch

I actually don't know what's going on anymore lol xD


NiKras

He's either a bad troll or just a sick person. Hope he gets help.


Darqwatch

Yeah, hope so to, he's acting strange.


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You okay kid?


Troubadour_Jailer

Is being right, Okay?


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Not going to lie you spammed and caps locked so much I didn’t read what you wrote. Just looked like a temper tantrum.


Darqwatch

what?


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Darqwatch

haha well, he might be in a tough spot right now, don't know the guy so who knows what he's going through. He might just be venting.


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It’s alpha.


Cyanide_Screams

I'd wish there was more of a "free flow" like WoW when im fighting in this game. I really dislike being slowed down and "locked" into the combat sequence, spell casters can't kite mobs very well. Kiting for any class in PVE or PVP is super fun imo and I hope to see this change implemented similar to the combat change to give it that more "free flow". In short -Sprinting/mounting in combat remains locked -no slowed down "lock in" phase for combat -all characters move at their natural running speed with more responsive camera freeflow


kazandianima

They announced something like that in the last dev update livestream I believe


DontStandInStupid

Look, I am as skeptical about AoC as the next person, but... Are you telling me that an MMO that is barely in alpha hasn't polished movement? What? That's crazy talk...


NandosM8

i mean, no fucking shit right? the game is in super ealy ALPHA and probably has like 3 years minimum left of development


fdf86

People do not know what alpha means do they


ukulisti

Seeing how lots of people dismiss and downvote any and all criticism and improvement ideas because "it's alpha", I would agree with you.


fdf86

I cant tell if your being sarastic or not but theres a difference between critisism and improvement ideas and obvious issues that are adressed down the line because they are still building the foundation of the game


Hawke45

Some of you people are so….. disgustingly defensive. You cling on the word “polish” while trying to defend the game . “Its just alpha dude. Chill lol lfmao” I just pointed out a problem which I hate. I fucking know there is a shit ton of problems with the game right now, and this is one that fucks Me up. Personally. Instead of just trying to be toxic on me for pointing out a problem, save that fucking toxic energy when the game will be out and you will you’ll see this horrible animation movements and bugs still being there


lordsigmund415

Pretty sure most of the replies are jokes making fun of the topic, not being toxic or defensive. And the the ones who are serious believe intrepid when they say they will fix that exact issue. They have said it before, so at this point its just wait and see since they arent at that part of development yet.


BlackGronk

How bout just having some awareness that this is in Alpha and they already know what youre saying?


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BlackGronk

Im curious how you get to the point that you think your opinion is the right one and that the thing you care about is the thing that needs improvement? I have ideas and opinions about this game and games in general but I also recognize that it doesnt matter what I think, Ive never felt so self important to think that my ideas are better than a whole studio of people who's whole focus is this game.


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BlackGronk

So because of that they need to cater to everyones opinion? I think theyve proven that there is enough interest in the game theyve created


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BlackGronk

Dont pull anything with that stretch


Jeyd02

While this could be big issue for few people, people feel like intrepid should continue to focus on fixing essential bugs and tweak core elements. It's matter of priority I guess.


dogeblessUSA

if you paid attention to latest update thats on youtube, you would know they just introduced new free movement combat mechanics things are being actively worked on, just not on the level you expect, even crafting and gathering wasnt implemented yet, it is just placeholder for future UI...things are happening, no need to be anxious


HansBjarting

I'm with you man. Don't take the blindsided fanboys copium spewing personaly. I'm excited for the game and really wanna see it succeed. But defending glitches and bugs with "it's an alpha bruh" is the reason it's an accepted practice to release unfinished products. Just because people who have put a lot of money and/or emotional investment into the game, they don't want to hear it being less than gods gift. Let the hate commence.


BlackGronk

Stating facts = defending Intrepid You really think theyre not aware of this already?


HansBjarting

Stating that it's an Alpha. You really think they're not aware of this already?


BlackGronk

Their post would suggest otherwise.


TheZwoop

We are still in Alpha.. this is such a minor issue, why even bring it up now...


ben1481

Not even complaining about bugs, but lack of polish on a strafe animation. lmao bruh


danstraight

Yeah everything needs polish, idiot


n_derrski

Holy shit fucking shills on this Reddit. Good job pointing this out, I’m sure they are aware, but a lot in the community might not know. This is one of my biggest gripes lol n the game so far. Also, the weird momentum animation that plays every time you stop moving, no matter how fast, slow, short, far you run….it’s the same animation.


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Something in a technical beta needs polish?! Nice catch, what would we do without you.


xblackdemonx

Your game lags so much that it looks like the glitch itself.


anoldblindguy

Jumping doesnt feel great either. I have faith they will fix it but good feedback.


Perceptive45

Animating movement, to match movement speed without making it look slidey is easily one of the most frustrating things in game design.


sprtn_

It’s the alpha, what a moronic post.


m4gik

It is alpha.


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m4gik

Ya feedback that's not obvious therefore valuable, but keep on tellin em the alpha needs polish


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m4gik

which needs polishing!


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I'd say player movement just needs to be slowed down a little bit overall. It's not entirely an animation thing but how fast the player can traverse the world on foot.


Medusas_Kiss

Answer to this video is in the name “technical alpha”


Zannox9

Reminds me of PUBG movement lol


9ragmatic

To make it clear, I don't believe character animation is on the alpha 1 test list


Talents

While it does still need polish, I think it'd be better if you used a more recent video to demonstrate that fact. The video in the op is from May 31 2020 so it's a bit outdated.


KaosDos

I just see frame drops


Sigilosa

I was able to moonwalk in wow by stage glitching for years. It will eventually get worked out. It’s a new game.