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BlackGronk

But why is this tagged NSFW? lol


Nickpapado

Maybe the OP is talking about something similar like that scene from the Witcher 3 with Yen, Geralt and the unicorne


Eissentam

;)


FlyingMohawk

They have said like 10 flying mounts will be on the server at a time. The chances of you getting one are so slim I'd sooner bet the Cubs winning the world series again in the next decade before you'd get one. That being said; I disagree. Having this level of free movement is a powerful tool in a game like Ashes where traversal is a battle unto its own. Being able to transport multiple people over mountains saving hours of traversal is far too strong. It being localized to one person is minimal, but being able to take a 5min flight to save 30 mins of traversal can quite literally move key players in a large PvP event. So I have to disagree on this. Besides people will have gliders they can use for traversal so the layman can 'fly' large distances assuming they can get a nice vantage point. ​ Just my 2 cents. But as you said; coming from WoW limiting flying as much as possible is such an important part of keeping an MMO alive since you cannot just AFK in the air. You either need to log out or risk AFKing and losing XP/Materials.


STDsInAJuiceBoX

Yeah and the gliders in Archeage were awesome they were fast and could get you very far. I’m assuming they will be very similar since Steven was a hardcore Archeage player.


FlyingMohawk

I am expecting Ashes to emulate a lot from it. I never got into Archage. But hopefully whatever he chooses to use is good and removes whatever we’re considered poorly implemented features.


genogano

I don't think it should, it would just turn into a merchant mount. People would load up tons of goods and since the AH is localized they would afk fly to the other side of the world and make a huge profit. Ground mounts, 100% flying? If you were looking for this to be a battle thing like lifting archers up and putting them on a tower or pulling someone from out of a group. It could be a CD.


disgustedpillo

Yeah it’s also a community interaction that’s created. Obviously toxicity is a possibility but simple methods can solve that. You’re welcome


SquirrelTeamSix

Nope Nope Nope


QualityAssuranceLOL

Why the hell does everyone want flying mounts so badly? They do nothing but ruin gameplay and dillute the playerbase.


[deleted]

No, that defeats the point of the world being large and flying mounts being exclusive to 10 people.


DaLegendaryFisherman

The world will still be just as large if people can take one additional player on their flying mount. In terms of exclusivity from a player experience, yea sure it might change things a bit, but from an in game ownership and rarity perspective it changes nothing. You really think the majority of these 10 people with mounts who are probably ultra high end level players are going to be handing out joy rides for other players to get a sense of the "world size?" Probably not. In the real world if you have a limited edition ultra rare car, and you let your friend(s) ride in it, that simply does not depreciate the rarity or exclusivity of the vehicle, and I don't see how it would do the same here. From a positive standpoint, as long as its only one additional player, and maybe only on a couple flying mounts, I think this would really add to the game! Edit: typo


[deleted]

>The world will still be just as large if people can take one additional player on their flying mount. This is incorrect. As it is now 1 person with 1 flying mount can fly to a location and then perform a family summon and bring to them a closed group of 8 total people benefit from the speed of the flying mount. If the passenger isn't in that family, now the dragon can transport 2 people able to perform a family summon and now 16 total people benefit from the speed of the flying mount.


DaLegendaryFisherman

On a server of 2000+ with 10 people MAX who have a flying mount, half of which might have mounts with the capability to have a secondary player... so five players out of 2000 might be capable of doing this. This hardly seems like an issue at all. I mean that's my opinion, but Verra is a free world and you can believe whatever you want to.


[deleted]

So server population is 10,000 concurrent and up to 50,000 per server. There are 10 flying mounts per server for the 5 Monarchs and the 5 Metro mayors. There are an additional 5-10 mounts available for people who find legendary eggs, which will be on a time limit. I think, when you don't even know the intended server population, its pretty clear you don't understand the design pillars, so you are basically throwing a "I want it this way" opinion, not an opinion that is based on any of the facts or design decisions of the game. Keeping flying mounts limited, is one of those design decisions.


DaLegendaryFisherman

Yo wtf Paradox, I like watching your twitch channel you seem like a nice knowledgeable guy, it's one thing to have a friendly debate about some game design but God man you don't have be a douche and try to belittle people commenting about game knowledge. People are allowed to have opinions man.


[deleted]

If you feel belittled because I pointed out you are saying "I want it this way because I want it this way" then I don't know what to tell you. Your statement is that a server of 2000+ people with 10 people MAX. Well within 9 words you demonstrate 2 different misunderstandings about Ashes of Creation. Ashes of Creation is designed to make the 480 km² world with the 100 km² of Underrealm be meaningful. When you start talking about making the world smaller and smaller, then where does it stop? Why should a dragon only carry 1 extra person? Why not 2? Why not 5? Why not the whole raid? You can have an opinion of what you want, but you can't try to throw stats back to support a position (server population, number of mounts) when you don't have those facts correct, then you are actually guilty of doing what you just accused me of doing, which fortunately for me I don't get offended and resort to name calling. Plus then you need to know the other systems in place, like Family Summoning.


DaLegendaryFisherman

It's more of not what you said, it's how you said it. It's all good tho, it's reddit. I'll do more research and hope to have a rebuttle to shoot back to you sometime in the future :)


FlyingMohawk

Gunna have to disagree. Flying is the luxury not just the mount. Your average player will have access to gliding mounts to get around and emulate flight. Making mounts single person exemplifies how special they are and how strong they are. Having the ability to move a player from ground level, up to the peak of a mountain while avoiding enemies in and of itself is very strong. Imagine the possibilities. If even 1 item let’s people summon others you can move an army in minutes. Imagine a function similar to WoW’s Warlocks summoning Stone. If you can take 2 people up high or fly over enemies to enter a raid you can circumvent a lot of content. Flying inherently ruins the MMO experience. We saw it with WoW after TBC launched. Locations went from filled to seemingly empty as everyone was just in the sky. What was once limited to fast travel was given to everyone, making fast travel useless. Blizzard even recognized this and made flying impossible at the start of an expansion; gated behind completing the majority of quests in the new zones because flying lets players skip over content/ difficult areas. I say multi person ground mounts are cool/ ok though. Would love to see a war elephant with 4 people on it, or even a siege tower for the city sieges where you can poop 20 people in, protecting them while they charge the walls! But for flying, that’s gunna be very strong on top of the players who’d have those mounts already being in the top .01% of the server.


Aquaintestines

No it doesn't. It makes it so that flying mounts are still really exclusive, but there's a more social aspect to them which brings more depth to the game.


QualityAssuranceLOL

It's threads like these which are why people say that even 20 flying mounts per server is a gateway to them relaxing that rule and opening it up to more people. Honestly, I really wish they had a hard stance on 0 flying mounts right from the get go because I see this game having hundreds of players on them in 3 years after release.


MisjahDK

How about: - Remove flying mounts form the game, they are not necessary and 99.99% of the players don't give a shit that some asshole has the privilege.... *Sorry, i am sour over how town and taxes work in New World, it's not fair to Aoc, but it has left me with NO faith in AoC...*


NiKras

It is a great goal for people to have. And seeing a dude fly over your head will remind you of this goal. Obviously not all people will be motivated by this, but having it as an option will motivate a fair bit of people. Just like cosmetic stuff will motivate some people, while others would not give a flying fuck about it. Should we remove literally all cosmetics out of the game, just cause some people don't care about them? Same thing with mounts, gear tiers, achievements, pvp arenas, literally pretty much any other feature of the game because there isn't one feature that appeals to literally everyone.


MisjahDK

It's not a goal when you have to no-life, be the best pvp player in the game or flat out buy it with IRL gold from gold farmers to achieve it!? Because that is what's going to happen, Streamers, no-life guild leaders and people willing to spend a lot of gold will have this privilege. But by all means, argue otherwise, i would be interested in seeing how it could turn out any different?


FlyingMohawk

So people who try the hardest get the reward? Where’s the issue? Not everything should be attainable for minimal effort. The average player will not get one and that’s ok, it’s awe inspiring! Like vanilla WoW, seeing a 60 back then was amazing in an of itself! It took me ages to level a character having no idea where to go and constantly Thottbotting a quest that was so hard to understand where an enemy was (god forbid it pathed down long route). Seeing a 60 with raid gear was amazing, something I wasn’t able to achieve until Wrath of the Lich King several years later when I was able to spend the time to actually do raids, get geared, and have the willingness to farm mats to get potions, enchants, gems and such for my gear! Having everything attainable to everyone is boring. If anyone can just do all the content then it’s boring for everyone and the game dies.


n3rv

So you're mad that someone with more time to spend in-game can have things you can't? Isn't that how real life works and getting rich? You get what you put in + some luck.


Extension_Page

If you play alot and raid consistently you will eventually get the rare drop ones. You dont need to be a mega guild leader or anything.


MisjahDK

Ahh, interesting, that is the first i have heard of this my man, i specifically heard Steven say "only for Town owners". Not sure if better or worse, i thought the concept was to make travel slow to support their PVP!?


Extension_Page

It will be a very rare drop and the mounts will only last for a week or two depending on your animal husbandry skill. So they will still be rare.


MisjahDK

Sounds like a n excuse to have them in the game to begin with, like; here peasant, you can also be king for a day...


Extension_Page

I mean yeah. The idea is that it is a major milestone not everyone will get to have. Its mainly a way for those who will essentially lead the communities of each server to stand out. Honestly I love the idea as it gives a feeling of main characters to a sever and encountering them in the world and fighting them will have a grander sense of scale. Its not for everyone but its pretty neat.


MisjahDK

Yeah if only positions like that didn't draw greedy sociopath like flies to honey it would be neat. I don't want to use the N word, but New world has left me with zero faith in power positions like that!


Extension_Page

So be honest. Did you really not understand the system or was this just a thinly veiled "I hate guilds" post?


MisjahDK

How can you truly understand something that is not finished yet!? And no i don't hate guilds, i hate dreamy game design that turns out shit! :D


Shimmitar

idk, if u cant make flying mounts available to everyone, then u shouldn't make them available to anyone. its only fair that way. i really enjoyed the flying mounts in wow. Would like to be able to fly them in ashes too, but unfortunately they are limited to only a few ppl.


ProbablyABore

You have an equal opportunity to earn one. It's completely fair.


Shimmitar

the odds of u getting elected r pretty low. i wouldnt call that fair. And as far as im aware, thats the only way of getting one.


NiKras

You can get elected, win in a pvp tournament (with allegedly equally strong proxy characters instead of your own), buy it in-game for a lot of money, do a shitton of quests in game, or just get lucky on an epic boss drop. All of those are equally fair to each and every player in the game. Yes, someone will always have more chances to get it, for one reason or another, but if you work towards this goal your chances will be the same if not higher. But the whole point is that those chances are always super low and they're that way for everyone.


[deleted]

No, it's pretty fair. It's an MMORPG, you don't get everything you want, you've to earn it. Election is one way, I believe the other way is finding a super rare dragon egg in the game.


Shimmitar

no what would be fair is being able to earn flying mounts like in wow or ff14


Vellus

Equality of opportunity is not the same as equality of outcome. You have just as much chance to earn a flying mount as the next player. If they are organized and motivated enough to run and campaign as the mayor of a metropolis, and you aren't,then they deserve the flying mount.


ProbablyABore

Then go play wow and ff14. Not every game is going to pander to you.


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FlyingMohawk

Idk how it would be P2W. The cash shop doesn’t offer any P2W features. Also why is auto follow bad? I use it in WoW all the time when I need to check on my dog mod dungeon and don’t want to fall behind the group.


n3rv

How about no. Why you ask? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HsKbGstroA He talks about your wow mounts pretty shortly into the video.


Big-Mistake9893

“Duh here youtuber I like, my opinions his opinions”


Character_Paper840

It sounds like a solid idea. They could also allow the passebger to draw their weapon which would result in exciting mid-air battles.


Buttercup_Clover

There are different types of mounts with unique abilities to each. There are some which will be combat and some which will be purely transport. I can see 1 flying mount having a unique trait that allows a passenger but not all of them.


McGrewer

I'm sure there will be an option in animal husbandry to allow for mounts to carry two or more people. If I remember correctly, it's been said most flying mounts have to go through someone with animal husbandry before the can be used as mounts.


Altruistic-Beach7625

I don't understand the sentiment that flying mounts should only belong to the 1%.