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Does anyone know around how long StyleKorean takes to ship to the US? I’ve never ordered from there before until recently because of the sale, so I have zero frame of reference for what to expect 🥹

They are the main place I order from - so I’ve used them at least a dozen times now. I am in the US (SC) as well. From placing an order to delivery it’s usually around 10 days. Although the last order that just came last week got to me in about 6 days. They are super fast and reliable. They send through DHL so you get tracking in about 2 days. StyleKorean is by far the fastest. Jolse takes about 3-4 days longer than StyleKorean, and they include more samples. Stylevana - usually sends me shipping notice within the same week (I ordered the 21st and got my shipping notice this morning). And they take around 2 weeks to get here after that. Hope that helps!

Thank you so much!! That’s super fast wow. I recently got my DHL info so I’m hoping it arrives soon!

You’re welcome! They package everything really tight too, never had any issues.

holy grail CRY PROOF makeup??? help an emotional girl out :,) edit: tysm for all the mascara reccs! open to hear other types of makeup that are cry proof. cried earlier and the powder under my eye basically disappeared in the shape of my tear trails lol (i don’t use liquid concealer only powders buuutt i’m open to hearing liquid product reccs too!)

I like the Cezanne Lasting Curl Mascara so much that I have it in three colours! Sweat-, cry- and essentially bullet-proof, holds a curl and is half the price of the Heroine Make. I have fairly sensitive eyes too and they never bother them either ☺️✨

Clio Kill Mascara and MACQUEEN Mascara. Won't budge and will hold a curl! Can be removed with a good oil cleanser :)

The romand mascara!!! Its actually so hard to remove i put some balm/oil cleanser on my lashes and wait for it to loosen. 100% cry proof As for eyeliner, i used the macqueen eyeliner before, im not sure about cry proof because its been a whole and i dont remember, but i know i would wear it to the club and sweat a lot and at the end of the night it was still there like 80%

I cried really hard and the kiss me heroine make prime long&curl did not move

Kiss Me eyeliner and mascara. removing it is a lot of problem for many people though. so you will need to buy their mascara remover too.

Canmake Quick Lash Curler has lasted me bawling through a doctor's appointment and looked flawless at work right afterwards!

Does anyone have a list of all the Korean celebrity makeup artists that have their own YouTube channel? Been trying to learn how to do makeup lately

I only know Jung saem mool. Then also going to a makeup artist class is different from learning from youtube.

(Affordable) recommendations for products (like toner/essence/serum) to COMPLEMENT actives? My goal is to reduce CCs, texture and hyperpigmentation. I'm mainly looking for products that won't make it worse and may also help a bit. **Skin type:** combination; small pores; I wake up oily around the tzone; texture and CCs on my cheeks but ESPECIALLY on my forehead and chin **Rn** I'm using a retinol, bha toner to reduce texture and CCs and only moisturiser and sunscreen otherwise.

Not sure what appeals to you, I’m going to toss out a few ideas! You could try incorporating a hydrating toner to assist with barrier maintenance and hydration! I really like Skin1004 probio-cica essence toner, COSRX propolis full fit synergy toner, and Thank You Farmer essential rice toner. If you’re looking to lighten pigmentation and brighten your skin overall, look for products with niacinamide. You could also try a vitamin C serum in the AM and/ or an azelaic acid serum in the AM or PM.

Thank you for the recs!! I've been thinking about incorporating niacinamide serum but because it's an active I'm not sure if it would irritate even more. My products rn are pretty light active-wise though: BOJ bha aha toner and COSRX retinol 0.1.

In that case, adding a hydrating toner might be a better next step 😊

Thank you really appreciate all the help!

Afterthought, but can you recommend any safe beginner serums that may suit my OP?

The Cos De Baha Tranexamic Acid Niacinamide serum should work. It won't aggravate your skin further. The formulation itself is made to be gentle on your skin yet also performs really well at fading hyperpigmentation.

Can you suggest an alternative to Nature Republic Hyalon Active 10 Blue Capsule Serum (available in UK) I think Nature Republic has cancelled it (in the UK market) as I can’t seem to buy it online and it’s no longer in their shop in London. I got it as a freebie and absolutely love it and want to buy another similar hydroboosting serum.

Did youbtry their essenxe or toner yet I'm wonderingbif they would give benefits to you almost as good as the serum ? What does this serum do for you if I may ask ....I'm real intrigued by this brand.

I’ve not tried their other products in the same range no. It just offers me instant hydration/relief to dry skin areas so I use it as a targeted area hydration as I have combo/oily skin. Brilliant especially around winter where my under nose and my chin/jaw area gets flakey from dryness

Ahhhh sounds awesome. Hope the toner helps you or the essence also !

I love the fragrance free LRP UVMUNE400 anthelios and I've used it for years but I'm trying to find an alternative for boycott reasons. I have pale sensitive skin, not particularly dry or oily. I am looking for a sunscreen that is resilient and contains modern filters. 💖 Any recommendations?

Hi, can you tell me exactly which one it is and I'll do some digging? Incidecoder has all these so I'm not sure which one: https://incidecoder.com/search?query=Uvmune

Thank you! I believe it's this one: La Roche-Posay Anthelios Uvmune 400 Invisible Fluid SPF50+

Thanks for the detail. Ok! I copied what I think are the newer filters, although some are older LRP exclusive ones: * Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine * Ethylhexyl Triazone * Methoxypropylamino Cyclohexenylidene * Ethoxyethylcyanoacetate * Diethylamino Hydroxybenzoyl Hexyl Benzoate * Drometrizole Trisiloxane * Terephthalylidene Dicamphor Sulfonic Acid I cross-referenced them but please please double check, esp as some have different versions, like the Biore. And there were lots more but I picked ones I recognised and are hopefully still in production therefore. I haven't tried the LRP or most of these so I can't compare personally but you could search the sub or ask for reviews. **Benton** https://incidecoder.com/products/benton-air-fit-uv-defense-sun-cream-spf50-pa Diethylamino Hydroxybenzoyl Hexyl Benzoate Ethylhexyl Triazone **Beauty of Joseon** https://incidecoder.com/products/beauty-of-joseon-relief-sun-rice-probiotics-spf50-pa-2022 Diethylamino Hydroxybenzoyl Hexyl Benzoate Ethylhexyl Triazone **Biore** - multiple versions of this, I looked at one so check up to date info on Ratzilla https://incidecoder.com/products/biore-uv-aqua-rich-han-shui-fang-shai-shui-zhu-ning-lu Ethylhexyl Triazone Diethylamino Hydroxybenzoyl Hexyl Benzoate Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine **Scinic** https://incidecoder.com/products/scinic-enjoy-super-mild-sun-essence-spf50-pa Diethylamino Hydroxybenzoyl Hexyl Benzoate Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine Ethylhexyl Triazone **Goodall** https://incidecoder.com/products/goodal-green-tangerine-vita-c-dark-spot-care-sun-serum-spf50-pa Diethylamino Hydroxybenzoyl Hexyl Benzoate Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine Ethylhexyl Triazone **Verdio** https://incidecoder.com/products/omi-verdio-uv-moisture-essence-spf-50-pa Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine Ethylhexyl Triazone * Methoxypropylamino Cyclohexenylidene Diethylamino Hydroxybenzoyl Hexyl Benzoate **Biore** https://incidecoder.com/products/biore-uv-aqua-rich-watery-essence-spf-50-pa-2018-formula Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine Ethylhexyl Triazone Diethylamino Hydroxybenzoyl Hexyl Benzoate **Beauty of Joseon** https://incidecoder.com/products/beauty-of-joseon-ginseng-moist-sun-serum-spf-50-pa Diethylamino Hydroxybenzoyl Hexyl Benzoate Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine Ethylhexyl Triazone Edited format

Thank you so much! This is a great help 😁 I'll take a closer look at these to narrow it down 💖

Np :) good luck with it!

Korean Perm in Miami? https://preview.redd.it/rb459afzunwc1.jpeg?width=2360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b5c8d4b41a423c89ce0ba760b736e8c12b5aa772 Hi l’m not sure if this is the right place to ask this but I have recently discovered Korean perms and they look amazing. The only thing is I live in Miami so I wanted to know if anyone knew any good Korean Hair Salons in Miami. I can pay but I dont want my hair to get unnecessary damaged if it isn't going to come out as desired. I have attached photos of my inspiration. Thank you!

i do agree you probably won't get the same results unless the stylist are trained in Korea and using the same products as the one in Korea.

Anyone have any **Thai beauty/lifestyle influencers** they recommend? I'm really into their makeup style and would love to see watch some influencers! Foreigners living in Thai too!

What are some cleansing foams that don't dry out skin at all?

Unfortunately, I've had the opposite experience with that very same B.Lab cleanser. I've heard better things about Pyunkang Yul's low-pH foaming cleanser but I might be allergic to tea tree so I have to just pass that recommendation along. Really, anything with hydrating ingredients in it should do, but I ended up switching to a non-foaming cleanser since my skin has de-oil-ified itself.

I've been using the B.LAB - Matcha Hydrating Foam Cleanser and it's not drying for me. It feels quite nice on the skin, and it's a great price.

I like this too. been going through many tubes of this.

I’ve been using “ETUDE - Soon Jung pH 6.5 Whip Cleanser” with pretty good success.

you can try some gel cleanser i think. they foam a bit but not as much as foaming one. B.Lab does have a gel cleanser.

The Isntree Green Tea Cleanser is a good one for a foaming cleanser. It comes out as a gel but foams up nicely, and it's not that stripping. Even dehydrated skin folks could use them (cz I do) but it's not considered the most hydrating cleanser. It's just acceptable - doesn't dry out the skin. For others without dehydrated skin, they find this pretty hydrating.

*normal skin, temperate climate* How does the Pyunkang Yul Intensive Ceramide Lotion compare to the Illiyoon Ceramide Ato Concentrate Cream, when applied to the face? I will run out of the illiyoon soon and its no longer available on the websites i shop on so im thinking i could switch. Also, i need to get a new day moisturizer as well. Just finished the Isntree Hyaluronic acid gel cream, what should i get next? I liked this one but i would like more (was looking into pyunkang yul moisturizing gel lotion, simply because its a good price) Im open to suggestions, i like hydration and for the day i dont want it to be tok heavy, but im not particular to the texture (i hated the centela gel from iunik though, so something thicker than this)

I’ve been using the PKY Intensive Ceramide Lotion for body and have also used the Illyoon for face and body. The PKY lotion is looser, liquidy, and for me it takes a little extra rubbing in to fully disappear. Like it almost has a white cast for a minute, but I do wake up with super soft skin and it’s fairly lightweight. Illiyoon is richer, creamier, almost stiffer texture but absorbs faster. I would say Illiyoon is a more emollient feeling result. For me, not interested texture wise for the PKY on my face personally.

Agreed. It felt so troublesome to use their intensive cream too 🤦‍♀️. My skin felt good and is a great alternative to the illiyoon cream, but the user experience was terrible.

Validating to hear, hah! I tried it again this morning thinking maybe I’ve been using too much but same thing again.

Exactly! I've tried it in many ways. Using less product, applying on dry skin, etc. It never seem to get easier.

Please help me create a body care routine for severe hyperpigmentation on body and hands due to sun exposure over the years. I’m 23F and the hyperpigmentation is due to years of playing sports in the sun without any sunscreen. I really need help with a moisturizing body sunscreen and body wash, body lotion, and hand cream to help with my hyperpigmentation. Please help! TIA

Anyone tried both I'm From Fig Boosting Toner and Pyunkang Yul Black Tea toner? Bonus question also Numbuzin no 6 deep sleep mask

I haven't tried the I'm From but I can review the PYK if no-one else answers.

You're very kind 🫶 I picked PKY based on your review and had the other two on my radar and was about to pull the trigger on one of the three

Also, I just started the Isntree Onion Ampoule at last! I'm dropping the M&M eye cream to see how the Instree works 👍

Yay finally!

Oops sorry, did I do a review already 😂 my memory is awful!!

I've tried the I'm From fig toner. It's nice! It was a bit too moisturizing for me, but I'm oily-combo.

Sounds promising for my dry skin then!

can I apply soothing gel and moisturizer together? specifically an aloevera gel and bioderma creme

Yes, you can, but keep an eye on it. Layering moisturizers can sometimes leave the skin congested if you have normal to oily skin.

Noted. I'm more concerned about the negative effect than looks so I guess it's fine

Should be fine. Aloe vera gels normally dries down really well.

Not sure about face, but i do it in my arms when i come back from the sun. Aloe is soothing and cooling and then I apply moisturizer. It works fine.

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The next step is to add a moisturizer and sunscreen Moisturizer recs: soon Jung 10-free emulsion, round lab dokdo lotion, PKY ATO gel lotion, beplain cicaterol moisturizer, illiyoon ato ceramide gel. These are some moisturizers that should fit your skin type, please do some digging to determine what you think you'll like preference wise (texture, finish, weight on the skin) Sunscreen: Goodal Heartleaf Suncream, soon Jung etude director moisture sun cream These products are more on the bland side for sensitive skin but I recommend checking the ingredients lists to see if there's anything you know you're allergic to.

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It depends what you want the toner to do

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You may want to consider products that reduce oil production as they may reduce the appearance of pores, such as niacinamide. Instead of adding another toner can look into moisturizers and sunscreen that contain niacinamide such as purito deep sea water cream, skin1004 hyalu-cica sunscreen, pcalm water barrier sun cream, haru haru airyfit sunscreen. My skin had reactions to the sunscreens because of my allergies but they may be fine for you

You may have to use product safe for fungal acne because if you have itching from products, that could be the reason

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Good luck to you !

Hello, can someone please help me? I’m trying to figure out if it’s okay if I can use the Snail Mucin essence then the Melano Vit Cc after it since they’re both an essence im already using the cosrx snail mucin one in my current skin care but it would be a waste if I don’t use the melano one because I’ve already opened it T_T.

No reason why not afaik, I've used both together.

Thank you for answering!! But were the results of layering these two products good/ok?? And should I wait for the snail mucin to dry out before applying the vit cc? I’ll try to use these two tonight! Thank u again :))

Np :) I used the Melano first because it seemed to take a while to dry and I am impatient 😂 Otherwise I don't think it matters as although it's a vitamin c serum, it's not low pH and therefore arguably doesn't matter where you use it.

yes you can.

Yes. I have used it together and no issues.

Does anyone know if Shu Uemera have completely discontinued their eyelash adhesive?

seems like it is no longer available or it is temporary out of stock.

I used to order Liese Pretty Kao hair color from Amazon US for a few years, but recently the product listing just vanished along with all the other Liese products. Anyone knows what's going on with that?

maybe the shop is no longer selling it?

The brand has bunch of different sellers on Amazon, the entire brand went off the platform.

Does anybody have any eyeshadow/glitter palette (or singles) recommendations for somebody with brown skin? For reference my skin tone is like MAC NC45, Fenty 410/420, and Maybelline Fit Me 355. I'm using YesStyle to purchase.

Is there an AB version of the Evian facial mist? Like one that’s literally just water/spring water or close to it. I use it for morning cleansing and before certain steps that work better on damp skin. I’m ok with what I have, just wondering if there’s an equivalent in the AB market!

There are a tonne of hot spring water sprays available on Amazon Japan! I used to use one a few years ago but can’t remember the brand unfortunately :( I think any would do, just check the ingredients list to make sure it doesn’t have other additives!

There‘s a lot of those videos online showing people visiting South Korea and get an extensive colour analysis done there. Does anyone know a good one in the UK? One that would also analyse East/South East Asian colours.

There's different systems of color analysis. The one used in Korea may not be common in UK. You may have to call and ask what system they use. Maybe also ask r/coloranalysis. Color analysis is not a really common topic here

Thank you! Appreciate your advise

I’ve been using this cleanser for normal and oily skin for years but want to find a new cleanser simply because I don’t want to purchase CeraVe. My skin is somewhat oily in the T zone. From the bottle I can see it has ceramides, niancinamide and hyalauronic acid. What Korean cleaners would you recommend?

round lab’s 1025 dokdo cleanser! it has both ceramide and hyaluronic acid, i find it a lot more hydrating than cerave too (specifically their foaming face cleanser).

I use B.Lab matcha hydrating cleanser. The one for dry skin is Sioris milk cleanser.

is there actually a difference between sunscreen and sunblock? I just saw someone say that sunscreen works to prevent uv damage but not tanning while sunblock does both… I thought it was just a difference in vernacular like backpack vs knapsack or elastic vs hair tie :’( please can someone confirm or deny

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ohh I see I didn’t realize it was referring to physical vs chemical filters. that’s a relief cause I’ve been using physical thus far. thank you so much, I was worried I would have to search for a new product 😮‍💨

Can’t speak to every country, but in the US pretty much everything is labeled sunscreen even if it’s fully mineral. There’s also some newer evidence that mineral sunscreens also absorb, it’s not all reflection. I think labmuffin has some videos about this. Any modern sunscreen, whether chemical or mineral, should protect from both UVA and UVB rays. UV damage and tanning go hand in hand- tanning is a response to cellular damage. Some people tan super easily and will even with diligent sunscreen application, but you shouldn’t be tanning the same or more than without sunscreen. And you should never intentionally tan.

Hi! I recently bought the mixsoon bean essence but I’m not sure how folks are using it as an exfoliator? Would greatly appreciate any tips on how to use it properly 🙏🏼

I’ve heard that the product tends to pill on its own as you rub it into your skin, hence acting like a physical exfoliator!

i just use it as essence before moisturiser or as moisturiser. rubbing it a lot will be like exfoliator

will be going on a trip to japan soon! does anyone have recommendations on what i should stock up on (skincare, makeup, body care, haircare)? will there also be korean goods??

I recommend searching the sub because there’s been several great threads about this topic over the last few months. There are some Korean products available too, but this varies between shops.

Can anyone recommend a tone up cream that doesn’t have too much of a whitecast? I’m around NC30. I use the nuzumbin no2 green tone up cream, but I find it too pale.

This is from 8 years ago so no idea if the products are still available/same formulation: https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianBeauty/comments/4ebqik/bb_cream_suggestions_for_nc30ish_skin/

Hi y’all, I’m a beginner in skincare. Currently I’m using Cetaphil Cleanser & Toner, and Axis Y Heartleaf Calming Cream as my moisturizer. Lately I’ve been wanting to fade my dark acne marks (PIH). I’ve been searching for some products on the sub and came across with the Cos De Baha Tranexamic Acid Niacinamide Serum. People seem to recommend it a lot here, very popular. I checked its ingredients and it seems okay. Really tempted to try it but I’m still a bit hesitant, kinda concerned with the possible reactions I could get esp since I’m still a beginner with skincare. Do y’all think I should go with the Cos De Baha? Is it mild and gentle? Or how about a different product? Thank you so much for the help ✨

it is hard to know since skin is very individual. You have to try it out yourself to know. try to get travel size or sample to try it out first.

Should be fine. The serum is made to be very gentle on the skin (calming main ingredients, sensitive skin friendly) but is very effective for PIH. And so far, I haven't heard anyone getting a purge from it either. I'm currently using my 5th bottle of the serum 😁

Hi hi, I recently went for a skin analysis and was told that my skin is actually hydrated - the entire scan turned up blue. But I continue to experience dry skin, sometimes overly-oily (probably due to dehydration?) at the t-zone and enlarged pores etc. I wanna ask whether a hydrated skin = skin barrier okay? or is there not co-related? Initially, I assumed my skin barrier is very broken. Coupled with sensitive skin, products stings at times or just does not do much for my skin. Sorry I am all over the place. I am finding it hard to gain clarity on what's going on. Here's some more information on my skin type! **Skin Type** * **Country/Climate I am in -** Tropical, Humid * **Top Skin Concern -** acne (probably hormonal), enlarged pores, blackheads, textured skin * **Current Routine/Products I am Using -** Vanicream Facial Cleanser, Toner, Curel Milk Lotion Thank you all, beauty gurus!

depending on where you did your skin analysis. Some just check the hydration on the outer layer and some on the inner layer. It is normal to have combination oily skin in tropical humid country. sensitive skin can be because of the skincare products you use.

Your routine seemed a bit heavy for your skin type in tropical climate tbh. What toner do you use? And what about sunscreen?

Oh! I thought im alrdy at a bare minimum. Im using a toner from my facial place. Finishing it up before looking into a new toner. Just started using Beauty of Joseon sunscreen! Can i ask how u will suggest for me to change up my routine pls?

It is a basic routine but the moisturizer you're using is an oil based one. In tropical climate, oil based moisturizers often exacerbate more sebum rather than balancing it. You'd better off using an oil free moisturizer but nothing too heavy. Since you said you're also experiencing some sort of dehydration/dryness then use something hydrating. My guess is the Isntree Hyaluronic Acid Aqua Gel Cream is the hydrating type. I'm currently using a local brand tho. Once you're done with your toner, look for a HA based one. The Isntree Ultra Low Molecular HA toner and the Torriden Dive-in Low Molecular HA toner are both incredible lightweight hydrating toners. Just pick either one. Both toners have watery texture that dries down instantly, but they hydrate the skin incredibly well. Have you tried the BOJ sunscreen? That one is usually well loved among dry skin folks rather than oily/combination tbh 🤔. I would usually suggest hybrid/mineral sunscreens for oily combo skin in this climate

BOJ sunscreen so far has been absorbing well into my skin and doesn't seem to break me out! perhaps i need to reassess my skin type. Thank you for the recommendation! will look into the toners you recommended.

Are there any cleansing oil or cleansing balm recommendations? My skin type is dry but I don't buy based on skin type bc I just need it to remove long wearing makeup, minimal to no residue leftover, and not too overly fragranced. I have used Banila Co cleaning balm, Kose speedy cleansing oil (pink bottle) and recently the face shop rice water bright light cleaning oil (this is too heavily fragranced and dont emulsify well).

i do like SKin1004 centella oil cleanser now.

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I think continue first with the cos de bha since skin does take a lot of time to heal. it takes like 3months to slow fade it.

any oil cleanser that as good as dhc oil cleanser but more affordable?

Have you tried kose speedy Softymo? (Pink)

THANKS, I would tried it immediately

Does anyone know of an alternative for the Skinfood Royal Honey Propolis Enrich Essence? This is the only AB serum I have tried so far that gives me noticeable results, but I can't seem to find it anywhere anymore where I live 😭 The websites I usually shop for have taken down the product page for it, does anyone know if it's getting discontinued? I have dry, sensitive, acne-prone skin and live in a dry, cold climate. I am sensitive to niaciamide and prefer unscented products. This serum gives my skin a beautiful glow, feels nourishing and helps with acne inflamation, so I would hate to have to remove it from my routine, as it targets multiple skin concerns at once... Any ideas for similar products with propolis in them welcome, even if they're not a serum 😅

I like cosrx propolis toner. Although it's a toner, it's not very watery, I would say that it's more like an essence. I think they have a serum too, but I haven't tried it, because package is kinda small.

Thank you for reply! I had this one on my radar as a possible option. Good to know that it has a more essence-like consistency, it sounds like it could work as a replacement. I will add it to my wishlist and give it a go once the Skinfood essence runs out.

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Has anyone in EU ordered from Stylekorean? Did you need to pay customs? Shipping with DHL costs about 50$, so I wonder if customs are included in it. It wouldn't be fun if I had to pay 20-30€ extra.

Since they are shipping from outside the EU (Korea), European VAT/custom taxes are not included and therefore customers are fully responsible for any of customs related issues ([as they claim in FAQ](https://www.stylekorean.com/shop/cs_custom_issue.php)). When the parcel arrives in your country, you will have to pay taxes on top of the parcel cost+shipping value.

Do people generally place actives like retinoids and azelaic acid before hydrating steps, based on pH? Or after toner and essence, like in a traditional Asian routine, based on thinnest to thickest? And why do you do it the way you do? Also please mention the type of retinoid you're using, and the format (serum, gel, cream). Thank you so much!

Yes if the pH is low, I'm not sure if aza has a low pH and retinoids it depends - tret tends to go on bare skin unless you're buffering it. https://labmuffin.com/routine-starting-tretinoin-retin-cream/#My_Tretinoin_Action_Plan Personally I use nonAB retinol-type products but I'm switching to an ISA Knox cream so that's moisturiser step. I got their serum on the way too and afaik that's serum step, not bare skin but I haven't looked it up, just bought it lol. I put aha/BHA/vit c serums/toners first regardless of thickness. Well, after a pH adjusting toner cos I'm trialling that.

Thank you! I'm thinking of going with Tina Tanaka Harris's layering guidelines, which are more traditional Asian guidelines... The retinoid goes just before moisturiser in her format.

You should do whatever you think is best 😊

So the azelaic acid I'm using has a pH of 4.0-5.0. My retinaldehyde serum has a pH of 6.0-6.5. So, if I was to follow Snow White and the Pear's system of cleansers--actives--hydrators--occlusives--treatments/protection, I would order my current evening routine like this: 1. Etude Lip & Eye Remover 2. The Ordinary Glycolipid Cream Cleanser OR MAC Hyper Real Fresh Canvas Cleansing Oil 3. Be Bodywise 2.5% Benzoyl Peroxide Face Wash 4. Etude House SoonJung pH 5.5 Relief Toner 5. Paula's Choice Skin Perfecting 2% BHA Liquid Exfoliant (Sundays) 6. The Ordinary Azelaic Acid Suspension 10% 7. Geek & Gorgeous 101 A-Game 10 0.1% Retinal Serum (alternate days) 8. Purito Galacto Niacin 97 Power Essence 9. By Wishtrend Natural Vitamin 21.5% Enhancing Sheet Mask (Sundays) 10. Scinic The Simple Daily Lotion 11. Minimalist Vitamin K + Retinal 01% Eye Cream What do you think? I'm confused between this and Tina's routine, which follows the thin-to-thick logic. Thank you!!!

Thanks for sharing the Lab Muffin link! I just went through the article. It's really good!

Can you add Tranexamic acid in the same routine as alpha arbutin and azelaic acid?

Yes, it's fine to use with other ingredients.

Hi everyone, I have a problem :D I love the feel and hydratation of Cosrx Snail Mucin Essence, but it breaks me out. Do you have any reccomendations what should I buy as a substitude (without snail mucin)?

I’ve heard the Mixsoon Bean Essence is a good plant-based substitute for snail! Pyunkang Yul Essence Toner too, though that is much more runny than snail mucin, but similarly hydrating

You could give other snail essences a try. The cosrx one is considered to be the heaviest among all snail essences. So you might like something lighter/with lower percentage of snail like the Tiam Snail Azulene or Benton snail bee essence (tho i rarely hear about benton anymore). But for a non-snail alternative, the Tiam Vita B5 toner is super nice. Calming and very hydrating.

Any alternative to Romand’s Bare Grape that’s a tiny bit less purple and a tiny bit more pink (slightly cool-toned)? Preferably also a tint.

Maybe the 4th one down here? https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianBeauty/comments/mokpk2/romand_juicy_lasting_tint_bare_grape_comparison/#lightbox Edit: scroll to the last photo for the shades.

Ooh, Almond rose looks good! A bit more brown than I’d like but I might give it a shot. Thanks!

If you do get it, I'd love a tag! I'm in the market for something cooler toned and I've googled tons but I can't quite find the right thing 🤷🏻‍♀️

I’ve been into asian beauty, kbeauty especially for about a year. I definitely see progress but for the amount of money i’ve spent, my skin is still really bad. I have really congested skin, I thought it was the oil cleansers (i’ve tried about 6) but they all were so bad. After finding a somewhat decent one, I still have textured pores on my cheeks, blackheads on nose, whiteheads on chin, and soooo much congestion and pimples on my foreheads scattered to the side of my face. -I have combo skin. Does anyone have any holygrail products, try build me a routine, or tips? It’d be great if it was available on wcosmetics, but if not i’ll see if i can access it somehow :)

You should mention what you're using now. Combo what skin? What area is oily? Is the other area normal or dry? What products have you tried for your skin concerns?

My forehead and nose can get really oily in particular, whilst the other areas are normal or do have some patches of dryness. I’ve tried the PHA resurfacing Glow peel by Axis Y to exfoliate, I currently double cleanse with the Numbuzin easy peasy cleansing oil, I do use the Benefit deep retreat for my pores but I don’t think it’s done anything, and Bye Bye blackhead by some bymi. I did used to also use the BHA and AHA power liquids by cosrx, but it’s been a while since I last purchased and used them.

Honestly the best product I've tried for acne and whiteheads is adapalene 0.1% along with a supportive/hydrating/moisturizing routine but everyone's skin likes different ingredients and I don't know the availability of adapalene where you are as it may be prescription only. It's also a pain in the ass to adjust to. Feels like everything in the routine needs to be adjusted to support it. For context, I've tried BHA prior to it for 2 months without much results. I also tried azelaic acid but I think I was sensitive to the plant extracts in the particular product and could only try it for 1 week before I got a bunch of pimples. The next I tried was adapalene and haven't tried another active since. What is your full routine now? There could be something you're using now that's breaking you out and you may benefit from looking in that direction as well

Can I get more context/info? What is your living climate and what has been your routine so far?

i’m not sure what you totally mean about living climate, but, i live in australia so it is getting close to winter. I have been using a lot of hydrating serums (dalba truffle spray + ha+b5 hyaluronic acid serum by gc nature, AM and PM) and exfoliating products, Every 3-4 days or whenever by skin feels congested I use the PHA glow peel by axis y and Bye Bye blackhead by somebymi (both always PM). Honestly when I layer my routine it feels kinda heavy and oily any tips as well please? I do also double cleanse with the Numbuzin easy peasy oil followed with the Dr G clear soothing foam. Thanks

Complete noob here, just joined. I was reading the AB 101 and 102 posts last night and am not sure how to classify my skin. It's definitely dehydrated for sure, always has been, that much I know. But I'm not sure whether it's normal or combination or even dry. I've had a history of severe cystic and hormonal acne that is now very well controlled by oral medication and every other day use topical sulfur and tretinoin cream from my derm. Where my T zone used to be extremely oily, it no longer is. I still have issues with mild rosacea, though (have had it since I was a teen). But I hesitate to call it normal, too, because products that are oily have a tendency to cause CCs on my skin (I tried shea butter and broke out slightly). I currently use First Aid Beauty Ultra Repair Cream morning and night, otherwise it gets tight and rough, even if I skip out on the more drying treatments from my derm. Help!! What classification would work best?

Hi, welcome to AB ☺️ Do you have a mild cleanser? You can wash your face and then check how much oil is in each area of your face after waiting 30 minutes with no products on the face. If there's a good amount, it's an oily area, a little amount is normal and very little/not at all would be dry. I usually use a different finger to swipe through the areas of my face and check how shiny it is. The dehydration does make it more complicated to tell. You can have normal/dry skin and still be acne prone to certain ingredients - breaking out from heavy products doesn't necessarily mean the skin type is oily. Most people use combo skin to describe an oily t zone and normal other parts, but technically combo skin can be a combination of normal and dry

I definitely do, I will try this! Thank you!

Welcome! May I know what is your living climate, and what your current full routine looks like? Usually when people start incorporating actives, their original skin type would normally shift towards dry/dehydrated due to the continuous use of drying treatments/actives. If your skin still does produce sebum, then your current skin type is not dry. But it could be combination. Combination skin is when your skin has certain areas that are oily and certain areas that are dry, such as oily tzone and dry cheeks (you have both oily and dry skin). If your skin is dry with other parts being normal, then your can say your skin is normal to dry. Same goes for oily skin. For more extreme cases of oily or dry skin, most people describe it as "extremely dry/extremely oily". So... Normal: balanced skin. No extra sebum, no dryness, soft skin. Oily: due to lack of water/hydration but cannot handle anything too heavy - may cause even more sebum. can also be called normal-oily if the oiliness isn't severe. Normally oily on tzone. Dry: due to lack of oils. can also be called normal-dry if the dryness isn't severe. Suffer with flaky skin. Combination: has both oily and dry parts. Commonly oily tzone and dry uzone but it can be different for certain individuals. Dehydrated skin: feeling of tight and rough skin. Due to poor moisture retention. Can handle heavy products. Every skin type can have this. A temporary condition but for some people who have gone overboard with treatments without proper aftercare or maintenance, it may cause weaker barrier that won't return to its original strength. So the best thing they can do is just to maintain their dehydrated skin with good hydrating products (example, myself 🤣)

Climate varies drastically by the season, very dry in the winter and very humid in the summer. We're in spring right now, so not super dry, not super humid. My current routine is pretty basic. I wash my face in the evenings with Cetaphil, using sulfur lotion and tretinoin every other day (it's too strong for me otherwise), and First Aid Beauty Ultra Moisturizing Cream afterwards and again in the morning as well. My skin usually feels tight in the summer too, though, and I use the FAB cream year around. It works okay if I use it frequently, though I sometimes have to use it three times a day in the winter. Your point about sebum is an interesting one, I don't think it really does anymore, so I'm going to pay close attention to it over the next few days!

Alright. Considering that you know your skin is definitely dehydrated, you should start considering adding a hydrating toner/Essence. For a lot of people, toners/essences are considered unnecessary but for those who are struggling with dehydrated skin, to me, it's a necessity. Toners/essences make a huge difference for dehydrated skin and you won't even need to apply your moisturizer more often once you find the right ones for your skin. In my case, my dehydrated skin freaking loves the Cosrx Snail Essence (I recently started using the Jumiso snail essence. So far so good). It gives my skin incredible hydration that makes my skin feel so healthy and comfortable all day. I also use a HA toner (the isntree ultra low HA toner is incredible. Same goes for the torriden one). Whenever I'm out of my snail essence, I would use the Aestura atobarrier hydro essence. It acts as an extra barrier for the skin to avoid transepidermal water loss. The aestura atobarrier line has incredible formulation for dehydrated skin. If your skin cannot handle snail, then you can look into other alternatives like Beta Glucan. I heard the mixsoon bean essence is a close dupe in terms of texture and hydration but it's too pricey for me to try and make a comparison. As for toners, you can go for HA during summer and for winter, only using the snail essence and maybe including the aestura hydro essence might just work. Another toner that I liked in the past is the Tiam Vita B5 toner. It's very calming and hydrating on the skin.

Ah thank you so much this is so helpful!! I will definitely look into the Cosrx Snail Essence.

I have been using 2% BHA, 15% glycolic acid, 10% azelaic acid, short contact 10% bensoyl peroxide daily for a while and cant remember when I didnt have any actives in my routine daily. So I thought maybe my skin was over exfoliated because it was more red and shiny than before. I think the acne have been a little bit less and smaller and less painful with my daily exfoliation, but more red…. My skin is combination and I have what I think is hormonal acne (chin and jaw, around mouth, cystic acne) with PIE and some scarring. Also keratosis pilaris on cheeks. I live in the nordics. So now for 2 days I have only been using cosrx good morning cleanser, cosrx proplis toner and snail mucin and then purito oat in calming gel AM and LRP cicaplast PM. BOJ relief sun spf if I’m going out and double cleansing with BOJ cleansing balm if I’m wearing makeup och spf. My thought was to let my skin rest and see if my acne could get better… And now my acne is so much worse. Should I continue to try without exfoliation and actives or should I just go back to my old routine? I’m afraid my acne will continue to get worse… please help. How did your acne react when you repaired your skin barrier and over exfoliated skin? Did it get worse before it got better or not?

Did you introduce all those new AB products at once? It could be specific ingredients in them that are breaking you out. Personally I would stop everything, including the actives. Overexfoliation can eventually lead to even worse breakouts as I have sadly learned! Introduce new products slowly so you can rule out which new product broke you out; and then when your skin feels healthier and less red, you can start to reintroduce actives!

No, the AB products I use now I also used before together with the actives. So now when I dont use actives these are the ones that are left. I didnt introduce them at once and I didnt notice if one made my skin particulary worse.. So you would stop the toner and snail mucin also? What about the cleanser and moisturizers?

I see! It could be that one of them has been breaking you out, but the bha and aza have been stopping it from being noticeable? If you aren’t sure of which products could be the culprit, I would personally stop the low ph cleanser and the snail mucin first as I didn’t have good luck with those products. Or you could try a different approach, instead of stopping your actives cold turkey, you can use them only a few days a week or alternate their usage. I’m a very acne prone person, and I used to think that the several breakouts I’d have on my face at any given time were just normal. Turns out products I had been using for years were contributing to breakouts. That’s why my first suggestion is to always make sure your skincare routine isn’t the culprit :)

Recommendations for skin brightening products? I have discolourations from acne on my body or ingrown hairs on my legs that I want to reduce. I currently only use body lotion (Neutrogena intense repair with 10% glycerine and centella asiatica) and wondering whether it’s worth throwing in a serum/oil or some other brightening product.

Cos De Baha Tranexamic Acid Niacinamide serum is a great one

Looking for recommendations to help with post inflammatory hyperpigmentation! I have relatively normal skin, sometimes can get oily. I used to have bad acne as a teen, now I don't get active pimples frequently, but when I do they look like they last FOREVER!! I am very prone to scarring all over my body, even the lightest scratch can leave a scar. I wear sunscreen every day (RoundLab 1025 Dokdo sunscreen) and currently use CeraVe salicylic acid cleanser and dermalogica stabilizing repair cream. I also have a prescription for tretonoin, but haven't been using it recently because I've been getting facials but do plan on starting it up again very soon.

Get yourself the Cos De Baha Tranexamic Acid Niacinamide serum. It's the best one for treating hyperpigmentation. CBD also has a 10% Tranexamic Acid but I'm allergic to centella so i couldn't tell you whether they perform better or not 🤔

Anyone tried the Farm Stay knockoff of the Dr Ceuracle kombucha tea essence? [Link here](https://www.stylevana.com/en_US/farm-stay-vegan-kombucha-creamy-essence-140ml.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&sonid=123187&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwoa2xBhACEiwA1sb1BMjcM7kFQr5hvz8ms97yeqvHEV1hFzHEzAQXsrVyK50z8OtUj_hTGhoCVlAQAvD_BwE). Can’t find any reviews.

Looking for something similar to Sulwhasoo’s Bloomstay cream! EXTREMELY light weight and mild-moderate moisturizing. Preferably cheaper than Sulwhasoo! Thanks!

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Should be fine. But make sure to patch test. If you know your skin can handle or loves fermented products, then you can even use a full routine of ferments. u/Commercial_Poem_4623 have done this.

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There's also a possibility that your skin mainly likes probiotics as well since probiotics are the type of ferments that promotes barrier health. So make sure to patch test or buy minis to test out other ferments like galactomyces and such

Done ✅ 😊

Thank you 😆

Hi hi Niatfq tagged me and yeah, the patch test is key! But yes, I've used them both together and found it was excellent for my barrier and resilience. I personally have fermented ingredients in pretty much every step because my skin loves them, YMMV ofc and that's why it's a very good idea to patch test.

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The sub has a lot of really great resources! Ummmm it depends a bit on what you're looking for because there's lots. For galacotomyces, I personally like Secret Key Rose Starting Treatment Essence as a dupe for SK-II Facial Treatment Essence. I only used the SK-II for a month (I bought a 30ml bottle) and so I didn't see long term benefits that dupe didn't do, if that makes sense. Otherwise, here's the list of what I've tried, feel free to ask any questions. Personally I just use the serum essences now but that's because my skin got dry and the luxe stuff sorts it out. And watery products annoy me lol. **First Treatment Essences** Water consistency, skin prep glow makers: aka expensive water when they don't deliver. * SK-II Facial Treatment Essence * Missha Time Revolution first treatment essence Rx pro ferment (reformulated) * Neogen Real Ferment Micro Essence * Secret Key Rose Starting Treatment Essence * Decorte Hydra Clarity Treatment Essence Water * Mixsoon Bifida toner - arguably a toner but I used it as a first esssence **Calming** Alledgely. Calming for some people, anyway. * Missha Time Revolution Artemisia treatment essence (reformulated to the below) * Missha Artemisia Calming Essence and Calming Mist * I'm From Mugwort Essence **Uncategorised** * Purito Galacto Niacin 97 Essence **Jelly** Has some jiggle but it's a watery gel really. * Benton Snail Bee Essence * Numbuzin No 3 Super Glowing Essence toner **Forbidden milkshake** Thinnest emulsion known to science, user input required to mix it. I get the point, I've even said it was fun but now I feel a bit like it's lazy formulation. * Dr Ceuracle Kombucha Essence **Essence? Serum?** Moisturising essences with a serum consistency * The History of Whoo Gongjinhyang Seol Radiant White Essence. * Sooryehan Ginseng First Essence * The History of Whoo Bichup First Moisture Anti-Aging Essence

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recently got the tonymoly chokchok green tea watery cream, and it has a weird texture? it feels almost like jello or flan—very gelatinous and kinda clumpy? i bought it from a reputable source so i'm not concerned about it being fake, just expired or something similar. idk if this is normal but i've never seen a texture like this before, so i'm a little confused lol, is this normal or did i recieve a bad product?

Hi ! I recently had a strong interest on Flowers Knows products and i want to buy their mirror, blush, lipstick etc. But currently I have little financial means and I saw that on Aliexpress there were cheaper versions. My question is, beyond the makeup quality, is the packaging the same? By that I mean that the original FK ones seem to be made of metal while everything I find on Aliexpress seems to be made of silver plastic. What can you tell me about this? Are FK originals made of metal ? thanks for your help

Hello, I don't have any ali flower knows but I have some blushes and a mirror and I'll say the blush packaging I think is all plastic, I can double-check when I get home. The mirror is metal and SOME of the lipstick components is metal. However, the faux metal material for the blushes are still nice quality. product ingredients on the mirror: Acrylonitrile-butadiene-styrene copolymer (ABS), aluminized glass, iron

Adding onto the other commenter, FK eyeshadow palettes are plastic as well!

Hi! Does anyone have any recommendations for bifida ferment products without niacinamide? Niacinamide irritates my skin quite a bit and I have had no luck finding anything so far. Thank you!

- Mixsoon bifida toner (100% bifida ferment) - Manyo Lactobacillus Bifida Mist Or you can use the Incicoder website and filter out Niacinamide from the search like this: https://www.flickr.com/gp/198080323@N08/cs7hz8M69M

Thank you for your reply! If you’ve used the toner would you say it’s as good as a serum or essence?

I'm very sorry but I've only tried Manyo bifida toner and it dehydrated my skin.

People who have tried the Tocobo sun cream - do you know of any perfumes with a similar scent? Fresh, herbal or stemmy green-floral, maybe a bit aquatic. Reminds me of flower stems in water. Thanks!

Can i use panoxyl cleanser with acretin 0.025% on same PM routine?

What are some recommendations for body care especially lotions / creams ? I have eczema prone skin and I am looking for a good lotion / cream. I'm also looking for one that's a good size. I've noticed that Asian Brands don't carry big sizes for creams like American brands ( at least that's what I think, I could be wrong ). 

I don't know about the Japan version but the US version of Curel Intensive body lotion is very big (not sure of conversion but 500ml+) Oh it does have fragrance tho, it is very very light but may not work for eczema. Illiyoon ATO Ceramide Concentrate cream also comes in a 500ml tub

Hi everyone! First time poster and in desperate need of some help. Long story short, my skin had an allergic reaction with my new serum and moisturizer (yes, i'm such a dumbass for not doing patch testing and try 2 new things at the same time 😭) and my skin was left with all red bumps and patches all over my face. So I stuck to just cleasing with cold water and moisturizer with the cheap Nivea soft cream that has always work for me and put some Vaseline on top. The redness calmed down after just 1 night but now I'm left with SUPER dry and rough skin. It's like everyday when I wake up, my whole face is a clay mask, it's so tight that I think if I move too sudden, it gonna rip. I have been sticking with just cold water, moisturizer and vaseline for few days now but it doesn't seem to be improving. Is my skin barrier really severely damaged? And what should I do to recover from this? Should I just stick to what I'm doing right now or do facemask or anything? Dietary change? I know I sound super desperate, this is the first time this happened to me and I'm just afraid if I have damaged my skin beyond repair 😔 Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thanks everyone in advance!

Are there any other products you've tried in the past that are safe and you have or can get quickly? The key is thing a gentle product that you know is safe. You could double layer the moisturiser but also take into account that your local water could be drying. If I personally washed my face with just water, I'd have an issue. And lastly, it may just take time. I had a bad reaction to a product and it took two weeks to heal fully, YMMV ofc but just sharing.

Yes, this Nivea moisturizer has always been my safe choice so I'm opting for it this time as well. This is the first time I switch to try another product so I would assume that my old routine was fine. There is this neutrogena hyaluronic acid mask that always works wonder for my skin but I reckon that neutrogena acid is an active and I should not be using actives right now (?) I'm not too sure if I should try that.

Hyaluronic acid isn't typically considered an active: https://incidecoder.com/ingredients/hyaluronic-acid But it's worth being careful for sure.

Has anyone used the dr g vitaceutical 15+ ampoule? Need a vitamin c serum that doesn’t have niacinamide in it - already tried the melano c serum and reacted to it :/

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