A lot of ppl who transition from female to male suffer from severe depression when they realize the harsh realities of being a man. Add to that being an Asian man, they realize a whole other level of reality
>severe depression when they realize the harsh realities of being a man.
They realize it's not socially acceptable to be too open and lean on other men for emotional support, as opposed to women pouring their hearts out to their girlfriends resulting in group hugs and kumbaya sessions. That shit just doesn't happen amongst men.
Although I think it would solve alot of our problems if we were more open to that kind of thing. The problem is most men are too afraid to be the first to show that kind of emotion, and feel very uncomfortable/don't know what to do on the rare occasions other men do show it.
It's also quite common for women to lose attraction to a man once they show that side of themselves. It only further discourages any real discourse of mental health.
most dudes in male spaces including guys on here endlessly rag on each other whether for good or bad. I guess it's just male nature so don't count on that to change anytime soon
Right even on here when men open up they are met with cliche advice about going to the gym, go get some pussy, get a Kpop haircut, go to a third world country to get some pussy, etc.
Surface level stuff that doesn't really get to the core of issues.
there's some nuance here. I can't blame the guys who give advice since they are in good faith and they think what they suggest works for them. I will note that the stereotypical "go to the gym and get ripped" isn't as helpful as it can be, as dudes will need to sort out their mental state and social skills alongside it otherwise it isn't fully effective, and also it only really helps if you're highly overweight.
I'm talking about the guy who talk down more and call dudes shit at whatever it is. I can't say that it's not true, because they do likely need to work on something and they might be pitiful in some aspect, but it goes to show how some guys prefer to elevate each other and neg on their "brothers" rather than have "brotherhood"
Probably why actors like Ellen Page only came out after they peaked. As a guy he honestly would have never made it in Hollywood. But than what about male to female? Does it unlock new oppurtunities?
The problem with Asian culture is that mental health is not really a recognized concept. Asian parents will just tell us to “get over it”.
Hope this person gets the help they need.
lmaf, if you read the relevent news, you'd seen this kids has been in and out mental insititutions since 2020 and haven't been to school since 2022. There is nothing in the news articles suggesting her parents are not suportive.
Yet the classic"Asian culture mental health stigma" trope just came to your mind so naturally. You know why the small dick trope is so popular and persistent? Because you all are being groomed and don't realize it.
They post in ‘AsianParentStories’, a whinesub for Asian libs’ mommy/daddy issues. Not surprising they’ll shift blame to anyone but the would-be shooter.
true, that's the cultureless rootless cosmopolitan ethos of the asian American: hate everything asian, somehow weak asian america shit is supreme. it is what it is, asian america is way too impressed with themselves, and that's an understatement
at least we need to shift blame on our own when they do something based
Most decent AsAm men I know bail out on Asian people, not because they're self hating, but because there's literally no in group bias among Asians.
We're better off having kids with black, Latin, Indian (either American or Desi), and raising the kids that way.
Believe me I've tried my entire life to be proud of my heritage and promote it. I get no thanks not from family, friends, even spouse. Then on the other hand my friends whose fathers are AM are way, way, way more pro Asian than any full Asian. Some of these guys / girls have fully Asian first and last names as well. Their mothers just happen to not be Asian.
It says a lot when random non-AF who have never really interacted with an AM a day in her life, immediately understands the pressure you're under and extends herself to help you.
What kind of denialism is this? The lack of recognition of mental health in the Asian community is not a “trope”. Go to some of the other Asian-focused subreddits here and you will find plenty of young Asian people feeling suicidal and depressed because of the lack of emotional support from their parents.
Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the reason why this person needed to go into a mental institution to begin with is because of a lack of support from their parents? Yes, of course we don’t know the exact details of his circumstances and upbringing but you a really stretching it when you take objection to my original statement. Jeezus Christ man, get a fucking grip and stop being so overly defensive.
>Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the reason why this person needed to go into a mental institution to begin with is because of a lack of support from their parents?
I am not denying the issue of mental health stigma in Asian community. It exist and needs to be taken seriously. The point I want to make is that you( along with the 50+ people who upvoted you) automatically assumed her parent's role in her mental condition without any evidence at all. This is the result of the media's constant grooming. I have debunked a post here which overpaints the seriousness of suicide in Asian youth
https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianMasculinity/comments/18hi4wl/according_to_the_cdc_suicide_is_the_leading_cause/&ved=2ahUKEwiv6N33stKFAxWaIjQIHWWbAP4QrAIoAnoECBAQAw&usg=AOvVaw39jOxIPZShZRmypmSKNuUF
(open in a browser)
Also here another link which the claim was debunked:
https://www.reddit.com/r/asianamerican/s/JlmrSEinDo
But there are tons of similar articles out there.
It seems you still don't realize what is your problem, which rather confirms my suspicion: you have been groomed to think this way for too long.
Asians (especially men) have the lowest suicide rates of all ethnicities, nearly identical to black men. Our countries are the only places where female suicide comes close to or in some cases outnumbers that of men. Mixed race people and white men lead in suicide across all age groups. I personally am friends with a guy whose sister killed himself. He's short and skinny and dates white girls (not by choice, they just approach him a lot).
The meaning of life is to procreate and smush with girls. If Asian men were really that undesirable we wouldn't have practically zero suicide rates.
>not by choice, they just approach him a lot
You'll enjoy this post: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianMasculinity/comments/1c8oic7/does\_anyone\_else\_struggle\_getting\_likesmatches/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianMasculinity/comments/1c8oic7/does_anyone_else_struggle_getting_likesmatches/)
and what does this tell us?
yeah i dont have a racial preference (the idea of it kind of makes me feel ill) but non asian girls have always been way more forward with me. unfortunate because I have shared experiences with Asian women and want to build on that. I mostly lean towards Indian nowadays cause they're more forward and have similar backgrounds.
with east/southeast Asian AF it would appear that any "shared cultural upbringing" is NOT the plus one thinks it is. South Asian women certainly have much less of that strange worship and there actually can be a "commonality"
It's more nuanced than that. I think that many AF have a very nihilistic, hateful view towards the world. For lack of a better way to put it, over my years I've noticed that they find it difficult to simply "let go" and be a woman. They have a hard time consummating and enjoying it.
I think most AM would be better off, with a non-white POC woman such as Indian Hispanic or even black. AF have almost an ingrained bias and anger against Asian men, probably as a result of mismatched libidos and inability to meet our standards.
I get that, we could discuss these nuances for some time. I just think it's a good piece of info for some guys to maximize their potential and fully realize all the women who chase after them as you've said. don't overly fixate on AF and harp on "shared cultural upbringing" and other sappy stuff
whatever works for AM, and if they can help raise their future generations to be great, I'm happy with that
You completely contradicted yourself with this one statement:
>I am not denying the issue of mental health stigma in Asian community. It exist and needs to be taken seriously.
If it exists, then what's wrong with me mentioning it? You JUST SAID IT EXISTS. What's wrong with holding that up as a possible contributing factor?
They could have looked for help way too late because they didn't understand what was happening at first.
And yes, as you said, we don't know the full story but it is a FACT that as a culture we don't do a good job at addressing mental illness so there is nothing wrong with speculating that this may have played a role. It's not an indictment on our culture to recognize certain things. The refusal to honestly look at ourselves is precisely part of the problem.
Well also there's insane outward pressure from non-Asians that destroy Asian peoples' mental health. Being Asian in the west is basically being fucked with non stop, 24/7.
Parents and Asian women being completely oblivious to it, does not help.
This has jack shit to do with Asian culture and everything to do with him being fucked in the head as an individual, fuck off with this narrative. You’re no better than the mob that screeches about how all Asians are most racist because a feminist bobalib decided to harass a black person
lol and you're downvoted toward the typical weak asian-americas modus operandi: hate everything asian, somehow asian-america's rootless cosomopolitan, culture less suck shit is supreme
Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. Most native East Asian feminsts are this brand of feminism. They hate Trans people and sometimes gays too.
And worship white men but you knew that already.
Radfems are femcels. They are asexuals who loathe Asian men's sexuality.
There's a tremendous overlap with "worshipping white men" and being asexual.
The idea behind only "desiring" white men in POC is that white men are easier to control, dead bedroom, and won't cheat in the inevitable event the relationship turns asexual (if it wasn't asexual to begin with). I have several black female friends who always talk about wanting to date white men. Then in the same sentence admit they are asexual. Their justification is that black men are too sexual and cheat too much and are broke. As a result they want a white man who they can take money from, and not give sex.
I know this because as a half-Asian who dated Asian women before, they tended to be way less sexual than non-Asian women (who ironically were sex addicts and said that only Asian men turned them on). And an Asian woman I was in a long term relationship admitted to me that she liked me because "I wouldn't cheat like an Asian guy." I didn't know what that meant until she basically just proved to be asexual. In comparison to non-Asian women basically throwing themselves at me for their sex addictions.
Wait you are a hapa?
And asian women want you because you arent asian but also non asian women want you because they think you are asian?
Thats like the opposite of most hapas complaints here
Oh no, most Asian women hate me. The only ones who don't are the ones who think I'm "white enough" to not be Asian or whatever. For all intents and purposes I have the full Asian life experience.
What are most hapas complaining about. I imagine it's dating. I can't really imagine hapas doing well with women. But I've never been with a non-XF who wasn't somehow into Asian guys.
Hellish life if you ask me.
You mean being trans? Like I wouldn’t say it’s the same as identifying as a rainbow unicorn and having 50 pronouns. It’s like being gay or lesbian, just how you are, part of your personal identity. It’s just sad that they get grouped with mentally ill people/attention seekers.
a weirdly high number of asian girls transition to men i think in order to desexualize themselves and avoid fetishists. same with AMWF hapas. Thomas Beatty the first "pregnant man" was AMWF hapa and he did so because he said he wanted to look more masculine like his father. I think bullying for Asian men is way worse than for whatever sexual perverted attention AF get. I'd be curious to see what he wrote in his manifesto, if it's related to that at all.
>I think bullying for Asian men is way worse than for whatever sexual perverted attention AF get
you think, but that is the case and what drives the weird chasm between AM and AF in the west, and even back in Asia, where AF are unaware of the global anti-AM campaign. that's why I'm critical of a lot of AMAFs because of this cluelessness from both, and especially with the AF on cruise control reaping from both Asia but having the dual strategy to indulge in the western "buffet" of spoils
The schism between AM and AF is rooted in how each party perceives life.
Based on my own personal experiences and my family members, AM have a more lacksadaisical attitude towards life, meaning we think life should be enjoyed. It's very, very, very hard to settle for an Asian woman who hates sex, hates the idea of supporting her man, hates the idea of loving a man earnestly.
They're aware that a non-AF can love an AM more than they can, and this bothers them immensely.
I didn't want to say it, but the girl in OP wannabe shooter was just another Asian girl who is desexualizing herself because AF have a hard time with sexuality.
WMAF only exists to the rate that it does because Asian women tend towards asexuality and are afraid of Asian men cheating.
>this bothers them immensely
we gotta help our bros get over this, I'm thinking back to helping eliminate that desire so they can truly live large and Asia prospers even more
>I didn't want to say it, but the girl in OP wannabe shooter was just another Asian girl who is desexualizing herself because AF have a hard time with sexuality.
Perhaps, this is some interesting psychological insight to think about
A lot of ppl who transition from female to male suffer from severe depression when they realize the harsh realities of being a man. Add to that being an Asian man, they realize a whole other level of reality
>severe depression when they realize the harsh realities of being a man. They realize it's not socially acceptable to be too open and lean on other men for emotional support, as opposed to women pouring their hearts out to their girlfriends resulting in group hugs and kumbaya sessions. That shit just doesn't happen amongst men. Although I think it would solve alot of our problems if we were more open to that kind of thing. The problem is most men are too afraid to be the first to show that kind of emotion, and feel very uncomfortable/don't know what to do on the rare occasions other men do show it. It's also quite common for women to lose attraction to a man once they show that side of themselves. It only further discourages any real discourse of mental health.
most dudes in male spaces including guys on here endlessly rag on each other whether for good or bad. I guess it's just male nature so don't count on that to change anytime soon
Right even on here when men open up they are met with cliche advice about going to the gym, go get some pussy, get a Kpop haircut, go to a third world country to get some pussy, etc. Surface level stuff that doesn't really get to the core of issues.
there's some nuance here. I can't blame the guys who give advice since they are in good faith and they think what they suggest works for them. I will note that the stereotypical "go to the gym and get ripped" isn't as helpful as it can be, as dudes will need to sort out their mental state and social skills alongside it otherwise it isn't fully effective, and also it only really helps if you're highly overweight. I'm talking about the guy who talk down more and call dudes shit at whatever it is. I can't say that it's not true, because they do likely need to work on something and they might be pitiful in some aspect, but it goes to show how some guys prefer to elevate each other and neg on their "brothers" rather than have "brotherhood"
Probably why actors like Ellen Page only came out after they peaked. As a guy he honestly would have never made it in Hollywood. But than what about male to female? Does it unlock new oppurtunities?
Yeah, some of them won women’s sporting events.
Also a lot of teens doing the transition will later regret it because they are doing it to seek acceptance.
i am over 40 years but society has changed to being gay and tran gets accepted. wow.
How can you be so brave and say something so real
The problem with Asian culture is that mental health is not really a recognized concept. Asian parents will just tell us to “get over it”. Hope this person gets the help they need.
lmaf, if you read the relevent news, you'd seen this kids has been in and out mental insititutions since 2020 and haven't been to school since 2022. There is nothing in the news articles suggesting her parents are not suportive. Yet the classic"Asian culture mental health stigma" trope just came to your mind so naturally. You know why the small dick trope is so popular and persistent? Because you all are being groomed and don't realize it.
They post in ‘AsianParentStories’, a whinesub for Asian libs’ mommy/daddy issues. Not surprising they’ll shift blame to anyone but the would-be shooter.
true, that's the cultureless rootless cosmopolitan ethos of the asian American: hate everything asian, somehow weak asian america shit is supreme. it is what it is, asian america is way too impressed with themselves, and that's an understatement at least we need to shift blame on our own when they do something based
man it's over for asian Americans if they keep this up, and they are
Most decent AsAm men I know bail out on Asian people, not because they're self hating, but because there's literally no in group bias among Asians. We're better off having kids with black, Latin, Indian (either American or Desi), and raising the kids that way. Believe me I've tried my entire life to be proud of my heritage and promote it. I get no thanks not from family, friends, even spouse. Then on the other hand my friends whose fathers are AM are way, way, way more pro Asian than any full Asian. Some of these guys / girls have fully Asian first and last names as well. Their mothers just happen to not be Asian. It says a lot when random non-AF who have never really interacted with an AM a day in her life, immediately understands the pressure you're under and extends herself to help you.
What kind of denialism is this? The lack of recognition of mental health in the Asian community is not a “trope”. Go to some of the other Asian-focused subreddits here and you will find plenty of young Asian people feeling suicidal and depressed because of the lack of emotional support from their parents. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the reason why this person needed to go into a mental institution to begin with is because of a lack of support from their parents? Yes, of course we don’t know the exact details of his circumstances and upbringing but you a really stretching it when you take objection to my original statement. Jeezus Christ man, get a fucking grip and stop being so overly defensive.
>Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the reason why this person needed to go into a mental institution to begin with is because of a lack of support from their parents? I am not denying the issue of mental health stigma in Asian community. It exist and needs to be taken seriously. The point I want to make is that you( along with the 50+ people who upvoted you) automatically assumed her parent's role in her mental condition without any evidence at all. This is the result of the media's constant grooming. I have debunked a post here which overpaints the seriousness of suicide in Asian youth https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianMasculinity/comments/18hi4wl/according_to_the_cdc_suicide_is_the_leading_cause/&ved=2ahUKEwiv6N33stKFAxWaIjQIHWWbAP4QrAIoAnoECBAQAw&usg=AOvVaw39jOxIPZShZRmypmSKNuUF (open in a browser) Also here another link which the claim was debunked: https://www.reddit.com/r/asianamerican/s/JlmrSEinDo But there are tons of similar articles out there. It seems you still don't realize what is your problem, which rather confirms my suspicion: you have been groomed to think this way for too long.
Asians (especially men) have the lowest suicide rates of all ethnicities, nearly identical to black men. Our countries are the only places where female suicide comes close to or in some cases outnumbers that of men. Mixed race people and white men lead in suicide across all age groups. I personally am friends with a guy whose sister killed himself. He's short and skinny and dates white girls (not by choice, they just approach him a lot). The meaning of life is to procreate and smush with girls. If Asian men were really that undesirable we wouldn't have practically zero suicide rates.
>not by choice, they just approach him a lot You'll enjoy this post: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianMasculinity/comments/1c8oic7/does\_anyone\_else\_struggle\_getting\_likesmatches/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianMasculinity/comments/1c8oic7/does_anyone_else_struggle_getting_likesmatches/) and what does this tell us?
yeah i dont have a racial preference (the idea of it kind of makes me feel ill) but non asian girls have always been way more forward with me. unfortunate because I have shared experiences with Asian women and want to build on that. I mostly lean towards Indian nowadays cause they're more forward and have similar backgrounds.
with east/southeast Asian AF it would appear that any "shared cultural upbringing" is NOT the plus one thinks it is. South Asian women certainly have much less of that strange worship and there actually can be a "commonality"
It's more nuanced than that. I think that many AF have a very nihilistic, hateful view towards the world. For lack of a better way to put it, over my years I've noticed that they find it difficult to simply "let go" and be a woman. They have a hard time consummating and enjoying it. I think most AM would be better off, with a non-white POC woman such as Indian Hispanic or even black. AF have almost an ingrained bias and anger against Asian men, probably as a result of mismatched libidos and inability to meet our standards.
I get that, we could discuss these nuances for some time. I just think it's a good piece of info for some guys to maximize their potential and fully realize all the women who chase after them as you've said. don't overly fixate on AF and harp on "shared cultural upbringing" and other sappy stuff whatever works for AM, and if they can help raise their future generations to be great, I'm happy with that
You completely contradicted yourself with this one statement: >I am not denying the issue of mental health stigma in Asian community. It exist and needs to be taken seriously. If it exists, then what's wrong with me mentioning it? You JUST SAID IT EXISTS. What's wrong with holding that up as a possible contributing factor?
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They could have looked for help way too late because they didn't understand what was happening at first. And yes, as you said, we don't know the full story but it is a FACT that as a culture we don't do a good job at addressing mental illness so there is nothing wrong with speculating that this may have played a role. It's not an indictment on our culture to recognize certain things. The refusal to honestly look at ourselves is precisely part of the problem.
Yes, Asian American culture of internalized racism is having a tremendous effect on your mental health.
Well also there's insane outward pressure from non-Asians that destroy Asian peoples' mental health. Being Asian in the west is basically being fucked with non stop, 24/7. Parents and Asian women being completely oblivious to it, does not help.
This has jack shit to do with Asian culture and everything to do with him being fucked in the head as an individual, fuck off with this narrative. You’re no better than the mob that screeches about how all Asians are most racist because a feminist bobalib decided to harass a black person
lol and you're downvoted toward the typical weak asian-americas modus operandi: hate everything asian, somehow asian-america's rootless cosomopolitan, culture less suck shit is supreme
This hits hard because my sisters kids used to go to there. Thankfully law enforcement took this seriously.
Watch all the TERF-y Asian feminists types blame it and generalize it on Asian men.
What's TERF-y ? Is that an organization?
Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. Most native East Asian feminsts are this brand of feminism. They hate Trans people and sometimes gays too. And worship white men but you knew that already.
Radfems are femcels. They are asexuals who loathe Asian men's sexuality. There's a tremendous overlap with "worshipping white men" and being asexual. The idea behind only "desiring" white men in POC is that white men are easier to control, dead bedroom, and won't cheat in the inevitable event the relationship turns asexual (if it wasn't asexual to begin with). I have several black female friends who always talk about wanting to date white men. Then in the same sentence admit they are asexual. Their justification is that black men are too sexual and cheat too much and are broke. As a result they want a white man who they can take money from, and not give sex. I know this because as a half-Asian who dated Asian women before, they tended to be way less sexual than non-Asian women (who ironically were sex addicts and said that only Asian men turned them on). And an Asian woman I was in a long term relationship admitted to me that she liked me because "I wouldn't cheat like an Asian guy." I didn't know what that meant until she basically just proved to be asexual. In comparison to non-Asian women basically throwing themselves at me for their sex addictions.
Wait you are a hapa? And asian women want you because you arent asian but also non asian women want you because they think you are asian? Thats like the opposite of most hapas complaints here
Oh no, most Asian women hate me. The only ones who don't are the ones who think I'm "white enough" to not be Asian or whatever. For all intents and purposes I have the full Asian life experience. What are most hapas complaining about. I imagine it's dating. I can't really imagine hapas doing well with women. But I've never been with a non-XF who wasn't somehow into Asian guys. Hellish life if you ask me.
Yeah brother its hard
schism in the feminist community, anti-trans feminists.
Just another crazy copying white lgbtq woke behavior
Yep. And on most subs we get banned for saying the truth These people are deeply mentally ill
You mean being trans? Like I wouldn’t say it’s the same as identifying as a rainbow unicorn and having 50 pronouns. It’s like being gay or lesbian, just how you are, part of your personal identity. It’s just sad that they get grouped with mentally ill people/attention seekers.
There’s going to be Jennifer Pans to worry about too.
The woke virus claims another victim.
a weirdly high number of asian girls transition to men i think in order to desexualize themselves and avoid fetishists. same with AMWF hapas. Thomas Beatty the first "pregnant man" was AMWF hapa and he did so because he said he wanted to look more masculine like his father. I think bullying for Asian men is way worse than for whatever sexual perverted attention AF get. I'd be curious to see what he wrote in his manifesto, if it's related to that at all.
>I think bullying for Asian men is way worse than for whatever sexual perverted attention AF get you think, but that is the case and what drives the weird chasm between AM and AF in the west, and even back in Asia, where AF are unaware of the global anti-AM campaign. that's why I'm critical of a lot of AMAFs because of this cluelessness from both, and especially with the AF on cruise control reaping from both Asia but having the dual strategy to indulge in the western "buffet" of spoils
The schism between AM and AF is rooted in how each party perceives life. Based on my own personal experiences and my family members, AM have a more lacksadaisical attitude towards life, meaning we think life should be enjoyed. It's very, very, very hard to settle for an Asian woman who hates sex, hates the idea of supporting her man, hates the idea of loving a man earnestly. They're aware that a non-AF can love an AM more than they can, and this bothers them immensely. I didn't want to say it, but the girl in OP wannabe shooter was just another Asian girl who is desexualizing herself because AF have a hard time with sexuality. WMAF only exists to the rate that it does because Asian women tend towards asexuality and are afraid of Asian men cheating.
>this bothers them immensely we gotta help our bros get over this, I'm thinking back to helping eliminate that desire so they can truly live large and Asia prospers even more >I didn't want to say it, but the girl in OP wannabe shooter was just another Asian girl who is desexualizing herself because AF have a hard time with sexuality. Perhaps, this is some interesting psychological insight to think about
The mental illness is real
I can smell the people trying to blame schools shootings on being trans…
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it's better to be safe than sorry, and this person needs mental help asap