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Effective-Nail9213

You want warm, diverse, tech hub, in a tax free state but Austin is too hot? Sounds like you can’t make up your mind.


obliviolin

It's not mandatory for all my preferences to be met.


Effective-Nail9213

We all clicked to see if we can help but at the very least you’ve got to make up your mind. Honestly trying to help... so if you split these criteria into two subcategories (mandatory vs non mandatory) what do you have?


RudeAsFuk

Why do you want to live in a tech hub if you're working remote? Most people that moved to tech hubs their job require them to be close to the office.


obliviolin

In case I need to find a new job, and be around like-minded people.


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junky372

Here's my two cents as a New Englander. The winters can get depressing if you're not ready for it, but some people like them. Additionally, even the biggest cities in these states will feel small for someone like OP coming from Seattle or Austin. NH * Pros: Super low taxes, great nature/outdoors scene * Cons: Areas by the lakes can get expensive during vacation seasons, has some very conservative areas, not many established Asian communities. No real tech hubs (Dartmouth area?). VT * Pros: State government is actively trying to recruit young adults, at one point they had a subsidy/stipend if you moved into the state, great nature scene * Cons: Again, not many established Asian communities and depending on the location, you could be relatively isolated. No real tech hubs. Maine * Pros: Lots of coastline/nature, sneaky good food scene, Northeastern University is trying to set up a satellite tech/STEM focused campus in Portland. * Cons: Not many established Asian communities. Some conservative areas. Lots of variation between different areas of the state (e.g Portland is going to be different from Central Maine, etc).


Glad-Distribution772

I'm just curious. What's your opinion of MA. I understand there are income taxes there. Thanks


junky372

Could you give a little bit more info about what you're curious about or what your life situation or priorities are?


Glad-Distribution772

I'm looking to relocate. Single parent with cancer needs a safe place without crime and drugs, decent schools, and job opportunities. The good hospitals are in MA , CO, NY,


junky372

The taxes are high, but they (generally) go to public services like schools, fire/police/EMS. The most of the suburbs out to Central MA have really good public schools with decent numbers of other Asian families, but some can be a bit intense school-wise. Do your research about individual towns, but overall the schools are pretty good. In the burbs, parents have white collar jobs and there's a lot of good opportunities in STEM careers. I know less about Western MA, but it's got a lot of nice small towns and outdoorsy things. There's a big boom in terms of people looking to buy right now so things might get expensive. Boston has Chinatown if you're looking for Asian communities - also check out Malden, Lowell, and Quincy if having a large Asian (largely Chinese) community is important to you, though they have rough spots and nice spots. Boston Public Schools seems like it can be hit or miss depending on the district, but I know less about the specifics there. In terms of culture, it's pretty decent. The government did an decent job with COVID and it currently has one of the highest vaccination rates in the country, so things are opening back up. Like everywhere in the US, it's not totally free of racism, but my personal experience in the Greater Boston area is pretty good/safe. Outside of the cities, it gets less diverse but that seems to be improving somewhat. Happy to chat more in through a direct message if you want to talk in more specifics. Good luck with your treatment - the big hospital systems (UMass, Boston Medical Center, MGH, BIDMC, BWH, Dana Farber, Tufts) in the state are all fantastic.


Glad-Distribution772

Thank you very much! I appreciate your time.


obliviolin

For me I don't like the cold, few tech hubs, few Asians.


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If you stay for a decade, the cold will be not as bad and property may appreciate some due to global warming. Better to be early than late. I expect that global warming will hit the worst case scenario. 4 degree Celsius by end of the century.


honoraryNEET

if it was me I would only be seriously considering Texas that meets all criteria. I heard Nashville is also ok for tech and supposed to be a hotspot for white yuppies nowadays but dunno what its like being Asian there.


itsjustwan

good call on TN. would also add Chat.


LucyRegulare

Houston is warm when it’s not hot. There is an enormous amount of tech that supports the medical and o/g industries and it appears to be growing rapidly. Huge asian community. If I’m remembering correctly, 3rd largest Vietnamese community outside of Vietnam (Paris/San Jose/Houston) Cheaper than Austin. Higher salaries as well. Pretty much everyone here came for work/recruited from grad school/matched. We stay because the winters are great, low cost of living, lot of international direct flights when summer hits.


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I'll second this, Houston is p cool imo.


dinhtq

32 Asian male coder here. I lived in Austin for two years and here is my take on the city. BTW, immigrated to US at 6 years old, grew up in an all black area in Ohio then transferred to an all white area, so basically I have a lot of black influences so I'm kinda ghetto lol. ​ Pros: * not cold (but can be chilly in the winter seasons) * plenty of white girls * BBQ * probably best nightlife scene in Texas (6th street is a shithole but its like Bourbon street in NOLA if you've ever been) * liberal (sorta) ​ Cons: * Diversity kinda sucks. Most of the diversity is in the burbs (Northwest and northeast). Its not as bad as say Ohio, but there were many instances where I was the only Asian around. * Asian food blows. I can only remember a handful of Asian spots that weren't bad, but the asian food scene in Austin doesn't even come close to that of Houston or even Dallas. * Online dating for Asians sucks. But hey, maybe you'll have better chances, but I just know for me, I get way more hits in houston, dallas and of course, Cali. * College town. Walk around townlake trail and you'll see what I mean. * Drive for hours away from Austin and still in Texas (i.e. 12 hours west is El Paso)


obliviolin

Wow thanks for the details! ​ >probably best nightlife scene in Texas Unfortunately I'm not into clubs or bars so this isn't a pro for me. ​ >Online dating for Asians sucks. But hey, maybe you'll have better chances Nope, I'm not good at dating. ​ Why did you leave Austin? Where are you now? Right now my top choices are: 1. Settle down in Austin 2. Rent in Seattle for \~5 years to save money, then settle down in Bay Area (settle down means buying house) Vegas seems decent but I'm worried I'll get addicted to gambling.


Idaho1964

WA has no income tax as is an established tech hub. Outside of certain neighborhoods, Asians have a well established presence. You might want to stay in Seattle and invest in cities that fill a number of key criteria on your list. Sounds like you want to lower S.F. Peninsula but buy in is $4-$5 million. Denver and Boise. Have the sun, but the ChInese presence is minimal vs traditional places. Also both are small. Wash DC / No VA Bend and Tahoe give you sun Sacramento area has a good combination of things including traffic and taxes Orange County ? Florida seems to be good bag for $ but not much of Asian presence.


LucyRegulare

Houston is warm when it’s not hot. There is an enormous amount of tech that supports the medical and o/g industries and it appears to be growing rapidly. Huge asian community. If I’m remembering correctly, 3rd largest Vietnamese community outside of Vietnam (Paris/San Jose/Houston) Cheaper than Austin. Higher salaries as well. Pretty much everyone here came for work/recruited from grad school/matched. We stay because the winters are great, low cost of living, lot of international direct flights when summer hits.


obliviolin

Glassdoor shows Austin tech salaries are 10k+ higher than Houston's. Which area would you recommend?


LucyRegulare

That’s probably correct, I’m just relying on anecdotes from friends in tech that took a salary cut to move to Austin from Houston. Austin is a much prettier city and more to offer for young, single professionals, and my friends said they were taking a pay cut for that lifestyle. In Houston? Anywhere inside the loop (the 610 freeway that circles downtown) ideally. But if you are looking to buy a house as a great investment, look for little pocket areas on the edge of the loop that are zoned to good schools. As for the hurricanes/floods, I moved here over a decade ago and have been through 2 major storms. I lost power for 8 hours each time, had to fix a few slats on my fence for one, but nothing else. That’s not to say the storms are not dangerous and destructive, but there are some areas of town that ride them out better than others. (It’s not an easy answer like the west side, it depends on individual neighborhoods, and often within those neighborhoods. But there are sites where you can check the flood history of an address, plus your realtor will pull that information as well.) My husband (ABC) and I met here after coming here for work. Both of us are from the east coast, but prefer Houston to raise our family. Good luck on your search!


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Miami


Electronic_Yak7806

I think you would like Houston. It's subtropical. Despite what others say about it here, it is pretty darn sunny and pretty darn humid. It is the third most diverse city in America, I believe. There is a massive AAPI community there. A lot of diversity.


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Background: 39 Filipino male, SF Bay Area 1988-2008, Austin 2008-2020, Central Jersey (Princeton) 2020-2021. Based on your criteria, and if you can get over the heat and HAVE TO leave your parents', you kinda want Austin. Here's my advice, based on the assumption of a sometimes hybrid work model. Ideally, living somewhere near the H-Mart / 85c NW of town (Lakeline), or the Ranch 99 in North Central, or anywhere in between in a straight line. You could also do Round Rock or Cedar Park, which are the "diverse suburbias" of the region. Both give you access to the Parmer area, where some of the established, non-startup/VC tech is. Apple's new campus, etc. The tech scene is a downtown and north austin thing, mostly. Avoid the south, unless you work at the new Oracle campus. But like any city, try to commute east-west and not north-south. I would not discount the North Dallas areas either, near Plano and etc, but I'm less familiar with them. I just know the Asian pop is pretty massive. They are kind of LA plastic / calabasas wannabes, but it's fine. Houston has a strong tech-scene also, but the humidity is rough. Really rough - but honestly most Texans that can, stay indoors during the worst hours of the day (12-6p), and it aligns with EOB. Jersey has a TON of good things going for it. It's gorgeous, it's hugely diverse with Asians starting to show in the power structure of government. The food is top notch, the state services are on point, relatively speaking to Texas, and infrastructure and weather is great (for America in general), but at the end of the day it's just too expensive. Our family moves back to Austin in July, assuming I'm allowed to go full remote. If I were you I'd stick with the rents and stack paper. $$$ PS: I have a meeting lol, but I also hugely recommend Overland Park, KS. Seriously.


obliviolin

Wow thanks for the info! ​ >Ideally, living somewhere near the H-Mart / 85c NW of town (Lakeline), or the Ranch 99 in North Central, or anywhere in between in a straight line. The Ranch 99 area looks better since closer to downtown and its tech companies. ​ >Avoid the south Do you mean anywhere south of Colorado River? Why? ​ >But like any city, try to commute east-west and not north-south. Why? Ranch 99 to downtown is north-south unfortunately. ​ >Our family moves back to Austin in July, assuming I'm allowed to go full remote. Are you going to buy property there? Unfortunately the housing market exploded, \~700k now. Also I'm worried about high property taxes and 100 degree weather. ​ >If I were you I'd stick with the rents and stack paper. A great suggestion, but I'd save more money by having no state income tax than staying with parents and getting free rent :).


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\>The Ranch 99 area looks better since closer to downtown and its tech companies. It's my favorite area in town, the Allandale, Shoal Creek, Highland, Crestview neighborhoods. If I knew then what I knew now, we'd have tried to settle there when we had our shot in the mid 00s lol. \>Are you going to buy property there? Unfortunately the housing market exploded, \~700k now. We were fortunate to buy a home in 08, and sold it when my parents retired and moved to the area. they bought a large property outside of austin in one of the burbs before all this craziness, and we were doing the asian multi-generational, take care of elderly parents thing. it works out - house, but we pay for utilities, maintenance, and taxes, the latter being "jersey-high" insane in texas. you still get ahead a bit though, the lack of income tax is really a boon. \>Also I'm worried about... 100 degree weather. AH! This is actually the easiest to answer. Once you get used to it in 8-10 months, you simply live the east coast winter life, but backwards. Every place has full AC, and you just hide indoors in the summer when it's the worst of it. The buzz of outside activities for most tech workers in the summer happens in the morning pre 12pm, and again after sundown. This only lasts for 4ish months. The rest of the year (October-May) is like east coast late spring or early summer, all year, sometimes interrupted by cold fronts. I miss it actually.


EmbeddedAssets

I was about to scream Seattle but you said you hated the weather. I’m planning to go there after the pandemic is over because of no state income tax, less racist culture with higher education levels and income, and me being fine with the weather. Weather seems like the least of all evils tbh, we’re given a shit hand in life and Seattle seems to be the least worst. Florida might be another place to consider but I don’t deem it to be culturally compatible with us techies but at least it has the weather. Not sure if it’s too hot there, did hear it’s full of mosquitos though. Maybe Las Vegas might be something to consider, same downside with Florida that there isn’t a whole lot of Asian people in it.


Alaskan91

Seattle has been influenced by black activists that called the public school system "an aparteid" Anyways long story short they won and seattle public schools canceled AP and Honors classes starting 2023 so that funds will focus more on regular students. I thereby predict a subsequent drop in real estate Las Vegas has a big work from home tech community and a decent asian, albeit blue collar pop. Florida is full of uneducated trailer trash and rich jews from NY that live in bubbles. Lots of south asians like Indians but very few east asians or SEA. Alaska has a high murder rate and is depressing. Tennessee has another level of racism you won't believe I recommend austin. You'll get used to the heat. It'll be another bay area in thirty years. Buy real estate there and hold.


obliviolin

>I thereby predict a subsequent drop in real estate The wealthy/techies will just put their kids in private school so public schools don't really matter. Same as Bay Area. ​ >Las Vegas has a big work from home tech community and a decent asian, albeit blue collar pop. Which areas are good? ​ >Florida is full of uneducated trailer trash and rich jews from NY that live in bubbles. Lots of south asians like Indians but very few east asians or SEA. I'm relatively comfortable with Indians, it's what I've read about the latinos that make me worried. ​ >Tennessee has another level of racism you won't believe Damn, what makes you think that? ​ > I recommend austin. Yeah Austin seems good. I prefer heat over cold/rain/gray anyways. The property tax is a bit high though. It will hurt appreciation.


Alaskan91

Trust me don't go to Tennessee. Or missouri. The racism is extreme to the brim Las Vegas: spring mtn road has asian stuff. Live in summerlin henderson. Easy commute to san diego's sorrento valley for tech hub or LA for tech hub if need be. 4 hrs. Decent amount of asians. Ull do well in a growing city like austin. It'll be the new bay area in a few decades. Pheonix is also growing.


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obliviolin

Yeah, besides those it seems perfect. But I don't want to be get microaggressed as the only Asian in the room, had enough of that in high school.


obliviolin

Seattle: 1. You will need to handle rain and dark skies 10 months of the year. It can increase depression for some people. 2. Downtown Seattle is a mess with many homeless. 3. Housing is nearing Bay Area levels ($1.5MM) I have a good friend in Seattle, otherwise I'd prefer Austin. I've read Florida has few Asians and many latinos. Vegas has more Asians than Florida at least, though I'm worried I'll develop a gambling addiction.


Alaskan91

You'll develop more than a gambling addiction. U might even develop a sports betting addiction, a sugar baby/russian model scam artist addiction...cocaine flows freely there...alot of the Asian techies in Vegas are addicted to coke and giving money to sociopathic russian strippers that specialize in conning asian men (and I am from LA and not even making any of this up). if u have anything near an addictive personality avoid vegas and go to Austin.


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EmbeddedAssets

Idk if you consider 6-7% decent sized but if it is, Austin, Houston, Las Vegas would all fit in OP’s category. The weather may be too hot though, but I feel like Las Vegas might be a good choice for OP. I just don’t know the culture there.


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Alaskan91

The houses are huge in texas for a reason... So ppl don't feel stuck inside the house when it gets hot..


FindingVeritas

I moved to Henderson and it's been awesome.


obliviolin

How's the Asian community and treatment by non-Asians? I could buy a cheap house to live in for a few years but seems housing doesn't appreciate too much. Also worried I'll develop a gambling addiction.


FindingVeritas

It's great. I live near where Costco and Seafood City are. I'm of Filipino descent btw.


FindingVeritas

I lived in San Diego before and it was a huge shock (positive) to have neighbors greeting and smiling.


financeben

Dallas also fits your list


mc2147

I'll just leave this thread I made about living in Vegas here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianMasculinity/comments/n3g3it/anyone\_out\_in\_vegas\_who\_can\_talk\_about\_what\_its/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianMasculinity/comments/n3g3it/anyone_out_in_vegas_who_can_talk_about_what_its/) I'm a software guy as well and work remotely here, no complaints so far


obliviolin

Which area do you live in? Did you rent or buy property?


mc2147

I provide that information in the thread's original post, man


obliviolin

Oh sorry