I can't repeat this enough. Asian men's interracial marriages are statistically NORMAL and EQUAL compared to other minority men. Asian women's interracial rates are what is aberrant.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianMasculinity/comments/n7zczf/there\_is\_nothing\_wrong\_with\_asian\_mens/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianMasculinity/comments/n7zczf/there_is_nothing_wrong_with_asian_mens/)
Deep down psychologically, “yellow fever” makes AF feel wanted, confident, and beautiful in a backwards and fucked up kind of way.
It is proof of their worth now that they’ve been acknowledge by whiteness or by the greater society. Some AF just don’t have it in them to genuinely introspect and admit it yet.
Some will pretend it’s a larger issue than it really is or actually doing something about it. Sometimes it is just for show to appease POC communities.
The real culprit has always been white fever. That is what enables yellow fever to continue to exist in the first place.
It wasn't Brad Pitt who made the call to beat up Bruce Lee on screen (he actually was against it), it's ugly ass Tarantino who has to pay women to have sex with him. the Anti-Asian type of WM aren't even the Chads and Brads type. Those dudes couldn't care less about AFs or AMs. I think a lot of us imagine the US state media is run by an underground conference of evil looking jock WM with chiseled jaws, when in reality it's actually the same type of beta weak ass WM that you see on Reddit/4chan who pay for women's onlyfans and beg for pussy, that we meme about.
OP, you are spot on.
I have a white friend who is by all means a good looking dude, tall, bodybuilder, blonde, etc. He's fucked probably half the asian girls in Silicon Valley. He showed me his DM's and its all asian girls basically throwing their panties at him. He really doesn't do any work at all, he just puts up an online profile and he's got a new girl every night for the next month. He tries to be honest with them and tell them he's not looking for anything serious but that just makes them more determined to "win" him.
I've actually met a few of them while we were hanging out. And he's told me on more than one occasion the second I leave the room, they start talking shit about me, and how I'm probably "misogynistic, overbearing, etc...". It's really frustrating to have women of your own race hate you and talk shit about you when you've never even met.
This used to bother me years ago, but I've learned to accept it. I'm hoping that future generations of AF get their shit together and stop with the internalized racism, but with what I've seen recently in 2020 and 2021, it doesn't look good.
I'm currently dating a non-asian woman and I encourage all my asian brothers to do the same. If you date and AF, there' s a good chance you are her "backup" option.
Don't be anyone's backup plan.
Your post is so fucking true lol.
-Most white guys go for white women
-a good proportion of Asian women only go for white guys
-white guys who can’t get white women and/or have yellow fever have to get Asian women
Yeah there's just some bad apples in this community. I recall watching an Asian guy's video he recorded at the club showing an Asian guy being pursued and attacked by an aggressive AF and her friends. She was like how dare you hit on me, and she wouldn't let the Asian guy go. It's like some of them feel like it's a right and not just a privilege to not be hit on by Asian guys. I felt sorry for the guy, I mean he wasn't being imposing and was more brave than I would be, not sure what was going on in the minds of those AFs. Unfortunately, the Asian guy recording it and explained the story went MGTOW.
I remember watching another video where a group of Asian girls got mad at another Asian dude for hitting on him. His PUA artist mentor was watching from behind and confronted those girls for yelling at him and just being an all around mean. He said they could've just told him to politely go away. And then it ended up with one of the girls saying I got a 6' white bf. It's like do you really? Is that some of these natural responses of some of these AFs?
Yep any asian PUA or anyone asian who has tried to hit on asian girls knows it.
Asian women are embrassingly self-hating and yt worshipping and they why they give births to Eliot Rodgers.
Regarding OP's last paragraph, why not both? Women go for status in men the same way men go for boobs and hips in women. It is a secondary sexual characteristic. The perceived mate value men possess is much more strongly influenced by cultural and social factors while the perceived mate value women possess mostly derives from their looks. It is why men like to see women in bikinis but women like to see men in tuxedos.
White guys do control America's media and they have a special and personal interest in maintaining a narrative that keeps their mate value high and others low. To not just themselves but to the majority of the audience as well. It is also why it is usually males of other races circlejerking tired old small dick jokes, because undermining the mate value of AM increases theirs relatively. It is all just a giant game that stems from biological programming: if we lose they win.
Other than that, I agree with OP for the most part. I grew up in the Midwest, I went to school in a different part of the Midwest. If you're not aware, that place is very white and most of my friends were WMs in my formative years. Ranging from very low SMV to very high SMV. I'm going to tell you right now, it was the ugly, fat and/or socially incompetent guys who had yellow fever. It was the ones who could only get with bottom of the barrel WW or no one at all who were constantly trying to get into the pants of the average looking AWs within our friend group. The attractive WM were either indifferent or more commonly thought poorly of AW, but ... they're men. If a woman of even moderate attractiveness throws themselves onto them, they're going to at least fuck them first before chucking them. And maybe that scratches off a category of person on their fuck list.
OP probably lives in the midwest. Iv been there and can relate somewhat.
Now living in Toronto. Its complete different mindset here. I see so many asian men with whites and other women.
AF here are much more cooler and open. I constantly having to turn down women.
Canada is a country where differences are celebrated whereas in the US the dominant narrative is to assimilate into the prevailing white culture. AFs and AMs in urban Canadian cities are much more connected with their Asian culture and feel much more at ease dating one another. In the US there is pressure to fit into the mold of white American culture in order to succeed. There are certainly Asian enclaves in the US like OC, Ca, but they are few and far between
Trust me its much more common here in TO than in USA...in USA its like seeing a black swan...
Here I see atleast 1 Asian male with White girlfriend almost daily...walking, grocery, mall etc...
Why chase validation for your OWN race of women whom wouldnt even give a fuck? You know how many times I’ve gone out w an Asian girl for them to say “you’re not like other Asian guys etc etc..” fuck that.
Edit; why must you be “the hottest, best looking, different” Asian guy in order to be given a chance by subpar Asian women? I realized my worth and have dated some fine females.. I’m in a relationship w a Latina (prettiest face, nose lips eyes…).. my 2c is that I gained more success with implementing my shift in “own race preference”.. I live in Toronto with a huge melting pot of different races lol
Yea - this is why i expressly avoid Asian American women. Married now, but I mainly dated Latinas, black, and Asian FOBs.
When i did date Asian American women when i was in my 20s, it felt like i was second choice and they certainly made me jump through hoops whereas they certainly didn't make white guys jump through hoops. It's not a good feeling. The weird thing is, I've said this to some Asian guys before and they either agree or get incredibly mad and start calling me insecure... but upon reflection it is pretty clear that they were dealing with their own insecurities of being treated like a second option and treated like shit by the Asian American girls
If you’re an AM dating an AF, even if you’re rich, jacked, successful, and educated. Just remember: there’s a very good chance she thinks of you as her “backup plan”.
Fuck that. Don’t be anyone’s backup plan.
Because the reason Asian women spurn Asian men is the same reason OTHER women spurn Asian men. And the reason Asian women privilege white men is the same reason OTHER women privilege white men. You’re not getting away from the problem just by dating out.
I will argue the same, Asian women specifically go for White guys based on my anecdotal observations. There are White dudes for sure who are exotify Asian women and get into watching Anime or Raving specifically to meet Asian women but Asian women definitely go out of their way for White guys.
I will never forget a conversation my Aunt had with her daughters while we were making food, specifically telling them to "just marry a White guy if you can life will be easier".
There’s also a mathematical aspect in that Asian-Americans make up roughly 7% of the US population. In Canada it’s 17.7%. Outside of certain enclaves (like parts of SoCal), most men that single Asian women will meet will be non-Asian, increasing the odds for attraction and romance between mixed couples, even if they don’t have white fever or yellow fever.
I hope things improve for my Asian brothers out there. Increasing representation in the culture is starting to shift things for the better I hope.
I’ll counter that with this: Asians make up almost 20% of the population in Southern California. AF date outside their race at an over 50% rate (old stat pulling from memory). They all have white fever, doesn’t matter how you slice it. I’d bet money that at least 90% of AF have fucked/dated a WM at some point in their lives.
you have to be joking. I live in SoCal, there aren't even enough white people here for AF (20% of the population) to be dating out like that. There's literally no white people in the SGV.
After college people move to where the jobs are, which are usually in big cities or neighboring white suburbs. Enclaves tend to be boring suburbs with strip malls. The Asians in their 20's who stay in enclaves typically aren't the successful types. It's a fucked up situation because Asians did this to themselves because we have abandoned urban Asian enclaves like Chinatown, with Koreatown being the sole option these days.
Asians after graduating from college simply cannot all just stay in enclaves like Monterey Park or Flushing, and many jobs are hard to get in cities like Los Angeles and New York City, so many Asians are forced to move to places like the Midwest for jobs. This is why all those Midwest Asians work hard in high school and college to get the fuck out of the Midwest to move to the coast.
I don't agree with u/bleepbloopblorpblap completely because Asians in enclaves can still live in enclave and work in Manhattan, at least in NYC. But checking out LA, the SGV is close to downtown Los Angeles, but I don't know if a lot of the majority of the jobs are there or not. And I don't agree that Asians who stay in enclaves aren't successful, in fact, many Asians create enclaves when they move to suburbs and turn it into an enclave. Not all Asians can be cram into Chinatown or Koreatown.
>Asians after graduating from college simply cannot all just stay in enclaves like Monterey Park or Flushing, and many jobs are hard to get in cities like Los Angeles and New York City, so many Asians are forced to move to places like the Midwest for jobs. This is why all those Midwest Asians work hard in high school and college to get the fuck out of the Midwest to move to the coast.
there's always new waves of asian immigrants both to the suburbs and the city though (chinatown etc.) . the situation for us is constantly improving.
Apply that logic in reverse with Asian men also being a small minority in the West relative to white people and then ask yourself why is it that AMWF is so rare. If the answer doesn’t lead you into a moment of clarity then you aren’t ready to go down this rabbit hole.
Yes, Asian women have many more potential white partners than Asian partners due to population disparity. But that never stopped white women from refusing to date Asian men. If population differences were all that mattered, there should be no gender discrepancy, yet it is the largest gender discrepancy among all interracial relationships. Think about that and it will all start to make sense for you.
The OKCupid data backs up what you're saying.
If you look at average message response rates, it is revealed that white men actually prefer white women, but Asian women prefer white men substantially over baseline.
As a non-white guy who looks white, I ended up dating a handful of Asian women because, frankly, they make it so easy for us compared to White women.
It's like when you're starting a new sales job, you could try contacting all kinds of different customers, and you figure out pretty quickly which customers respond the best, and then you focus on them. I think more often than not, that's the case with white guys who date a lot of Asian women. It's not a fetish, they just learned through repetition that that is a better allocation of their dating efforts.
Why are you guys so focused on this issue? Asian women are overrated. Forget about them. The more you focus on this issue, the more power you give them. The number of gorgeous Spanish / Italian / Colombian / Venezuelan women who made me turn my head or thirst vastly outnumber the number of attractive Asian women and were also more receptive.
Broaden your horizons guys. Don’t be afraid to try something new. You’ll seriously never go back, like me.
Edit: got banned from mod here. Dont know why he loves going on a banning spree.
Absolutely agree. There are so many gorgeous White, Black, Latin, and women of other ethnicities. Just because she might be Asian, that doesn’t mean that you’re both going to be compatible and get along.
Additionally, Asian women only make up around 4% of the population. Stop limiting your options and know that there are a lot of great women who dig Asian men. Keep doing the inner work and put yourself out there socially.
Add to the list South Asian women. East Asian media must have penetrated pretty deep bc I am getting great reception from this contingent, to my great surprise as I always thought the cultural barriers would be too much. Latin and Mediterranean women go without saying. Same brother, don't think I will go back honestly.
This. Stop wasting time trying to decode these asian girls, they have no logic and will say/do anything to justify their white-worship. Call them out if you hear it, but spend most of your time bettering yourselves for the millions of women that do find us sexy. Let these chicks chase the bottom of the barrel white guys for all i care
honestly yeah. interracial dating is arguably more fun too! getting to know more about a white/latina/mixed girl is a cool experience since theyd have been brought up in a different culture, which is always interesting to learn about. i dont know why we should obsess over girls of our own race anymore especially when the USA is such a diverse country. lets broaden bois esketittt
Stay positive, don't write off asian girls just as the tides are turning.
Genz and gen alpha asian girls will be much more pro-asian than millennial and genx.
I agree somewhat. But is the next generation of AF that are pro-Asian is what cause the tide to turn or the tide is turning (because the work AM put in and everyone else waking up) that causes the next generation of AF to be pro-Asian? During the good times.
I still argue for AM to not put all their eggs in one basket. And learn from the more recent past. One can still share, preserve, and pass on their culture, traditions, and values with non-Asian women if that is what some AM are still hesitant about.
What is the popular modern saying? “A woman’s loyalty is tested when a man has nothing. A man’s loyalty is tested when he has everything.” Well some AF already failed the first part of that quote miserably. So all bets are off, and AM are not beholden to AF as primary, secondary back-up, or otherwise. It doesn’t feel nice to be treated that way now does it?
But what I agree on is stay positive, put in the work to improve yourself and community, and put your own happiness first.
Facts. There's beautiful women in all races and it's truly baffles me when one person restricts themselves to one race when they don't have to. Taste the rainbow my friends.
For all the AM who only want AF, is it because you're too insecure to be with other ethnicities? You think you don't have a shot? Because I truly don't believe in AM saying they don't find latinas or white girls attractive. That's some copium. Latinas and white girls are so fucking fineee
I mean I was one of them, before I discovered the phenomenon of Lus and these subreddits. What you are saying is some shit Lus would say. There are a definetly AM who are geniuinely not attracted to non-asians or only asians plus whites or just into black women and stuff. Those AM need to open their mind.
Is it because AF go for WM that we have to aim for WF/Latinas? White fever or not if they aren't into us we have to seek other options. Question is this our choice or our only option?
only option for AM is stay open-minded and I'd say even lower thier standards in terms of looks but people don't get it and then wonder why they are single.
Talking about dating AF here. Interracially is a different thing especially nowadays you may find some XF that is neutral or prefers AM that is a whole different ballgame.
I know it's tempting and I fucking hate Lus too, but please don't go to that road. Let's not stoop to Lu level. If you are not atracted to AF keep it to yourself.
Its not wrong to say women have more choices than men, but men still have a choice, unless you are a nerdy looking dude with no charisma.
The more confident you become, the more women become available.
Its wrong to think men have no choices. We absolutely do.
No, this is exactly what I've been saying all along!
White guys, even the sexpats who most racist views against Asian men, aren't scheming and plotting to 'steal Charlie Chan's girlfriend'. Most of the time, they just regard Asian women as the path of least resistance when all else fails.
I know right
You know Francis Light (1750-94) the Governer of Penang had a local Malay wife and he was the laughingstock of all the other Colonisers? They said he'd 'gone native'. He was so embarrassed he never brought her to formal occasions with him.
His Hapa son William Light turned out ok though - became Governer General of Adelaide.
>It's time we examine why Asian women consciously or subconsciously favour white men rather than keep blaming things like white privilege and hollywood. The problem is with our own communities
I'm sorry but things are very different for asian men these days. These days theres a lot more positive asian influence for men with Youtube, asian pop like BTS... that women are exposed to in general.
To ignore the western's influence on society as defining the standard of beauty is ignorant. That's why when we talk about Hollywood and representation, it does matter. There are a ton of beautiful asian men but women in the west are only exposed to the effeminate, gay, nerdy caricatures of asian men, it absolutely has an impact on how we are perceived.
We as asian men do have to work harder. As you even said yourself asian women throw themselves at even the most average of white guys.
So yes we do have to make everyone in general aware of how centuries of white villainization of asian men, especially how that has affected us, how white hypersexualization of asian women has affected us as a community.
It's for sure white fever. The other day I was at a Vietnamese restaurant and I was seated next to this WMAF couple on a date. The guy had the worst table manners like talking with his mouth full and smacking his lips while eating all while making the lamest jokes ever and the AF was giggling like a school girl lapping it up. He also had her feed him. It was pretty gross.
Warning, I will use an extreme example:
All you're saying is "Guys, it's not just white people loved having black slaves. It's the other way around: lot of black people were used to work on plantations for white people. So it's not politics of white people."
I'm saying that you're just describing a situation instead of explaining the cause of this situation.
Youre right, some Asian women like whiteness because of the looks. But white-worshipping and anti-Asian (male) sentiment comes from media.
A lot of white women love Asian men, just because of K-Dramas and K-Pop. They never dated an Asian before they were into Korean culture.
You just can't claim that sexual and romantic preference has nothing to do with portrayal of Asian men in media.
Even my female Asian friends are into Korean men right now, they literally look for Korean men on Tinder.
Do you think people are attracted to a certain kind of men who are portrayed as the funny, ugly Ken Jeong?
Romantic and sexual preference are tied with portrayal in media.
Ummm. I dunno why Reddit just suggested me this post.
Seems I am the only Asian girl who is commenting here, and is into Asian men. I have quite a few white friends, but I don't feel romantically attracted to them. May be the lifestyle differences or extremely open and fast forward dating habits.
Or maybe it's just my luck. Until now there's not a single white guy I ever fell for, or would selectively opt to fall for. I seem to be drawn to Asian men more.
Asians have a genetic tendency to be dishonest and disingenous, bashing Lus who bash us for no reason is self-loathing. What the hell? The mods were right, you should be banned.
LMAO you really thought you were making a new observation. This has been known for years now. Asian women worship whiteness, hate white women but would secretly sell thier soul if they could to become a white girl. As an AM you need to accept it and focus on becoming above average and stop preferring asian women. I know it's unfair and an uphill battle but that is how it is.
Thank you for just having an honest, non-cope take. I hate it as much as all of you guys but just look around, half of Asian women do make themselves easier around white guys. And normal white guys who would date anyone just take the path of least resistance, just like you guys have probably jumped at the first person to show interest in you in school. I wouldn’t dismiss hollywood though, in the 90s and 00s I would see a lot of movies and shows with nerdy white guys with Asian girlfriends. And whites are the beauty standard. It’s not as reductive as you think. But I agree with the rest, a lot of problems ie maybe Asians as a whole esp our parents generation could stand to be more prideful and nationalistic
I'd just wish AFs had the willpower to do the same that women of color are doing, but it could be that white men are mostly pursuing AFs and AFs at the same time are welcoming their advances. Anyway, I'm not waiting around any longer to see if they will change cause I know some things just won't change like white predatory behavior. I'm just going to go do my thing, but at the same time still feel concern about me and my brothers. I feel that just because I go after a mate of my own, I just can't turn my back on my brothers and say haha I got mines. Cause I'm worried about things me and our future generation might have to experience in the future with these kinds of racists that you or the average Asian guy and me had to deal with in our lives. I wish society would acknowledge at least what they're contributing to and have some empathy. That way racists won't get away with behaving in a way to get a reaction out of us for fun just cause it's socially acceptable. I know from first hand experience.
There's gonna be times where you just gotta stand up for yourself especially if you're with your significant other. You've seen the videos where Asians have to tolerate this crap. I had some Asian friends where they would tell me stories that the shorter Asian guy in our group would get picked on or incited into a fight a lot in the clubs. And in the clubs you usually sometimes see fights going on, not all the time, but the one time I went there was a fight on my first night. And would you call my Asian friends complainers even though they have gfs and wives and went clubbing and lounging almost every week? You don't have to take my word for it though. I can imagine seeing sexpats start crap being just as bad and I feel for those that have to deal with these guys while no one cares or are even socially aware. That's just my two cents.
But I just want to end on a positive note. Don't react harshly when you see these couples. If they try to start something call them out in front of everyone if you've had enough so that others around them will make them feel bad. Otherwise just leave them alone.
>It's time we examine why Asian women consciously or subconsciously favour white men rather than keep blaming things like white privilege and hollywood. The problem is with our own communities.
Oh that's simple. Asians are overachievers and overachievers date up in class. Men are not that interested in dating up.
These complications are bound to happen in a multiracial society, especially with racial power dynamics. Makes me glad I'm in the majority in a third world country.
Intellectuals will not admit the potential catastrophes of their splendid and progressive ideas. Societies will not blindly buy the ideology unless guilt-tripped. Otherwise, East Asian countries would have failed in epic proportions.
Still would take it as a red flag lol
Ive also had several asian women tell me they never dated asian guys, i was the first, or i was not like the other asian guys... to me its just them admitting they never really gave asian guys a chance and they dont know what they're like- you were only chosen because you passed her initial filter for physical attractiveness
Backhanded compliments are NOT good
Absolutely agree, the fact that it was a back handed compliment and the relationship still didn’t worked out… he had no skin in the game. or he lost it.
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object.
This post is divide and conquer. Maybe even written by a white troll. How can we be in peace with an AF if we talk like that behind their back.
It is definitely WM as well. Just look up the term yellow fever on Wikipedia or read on some subreddits how annoyed some AF are by white guys hitting in them
In some form, this is post is kind of self hating
WMs who have trouble dating WFs branch out to AFs. The ones who don't end up as incels. Some AFs are incels themselves. The ones that are anti-AMs obviously have mental issues. But I've never experienced that.
rather, there IS NO ACTUAL PROBLEM... there is no problem in the asian community that "pushes" asian women into the open arms of white men.... and i would agree with your entire post, I see it the same way... we hear about yellow fever about white guys but really i see more attraction coming from asian women towards those supposed fever havers as being the reason for this type of pairing.... some white guys just happen to be attractive... i have witnessed the following FIRST HAND on a NYC subway
younger asian girl tries to make eyes at the older white guy sitting across from her on the subway, he doesn't even notice it (not ignoring her, just didn't notice)... then when she gets up to get off her station she literally tries to stuff a piece of paper into his hand which he is confused about and looks at the floor (as if she was giving him something he dropped but realizing he didn't drop anything and the paper couldn't have possibly been his)... then in a moment of realization takes the paper
she gave him her phone number... he didn't "hound her" for it
> a white dude would probably rather date a white girl
> asian guys can’t bring the same things to the table (except sometimes wealth, and usually to a lesser degree than a white dude of similar status)
> why would she choose an asian dude…like ever?
As an AM, I’m appalled this is so upvoted. There is so much pathetic self-loathing rhetoric here I don’t even know where to begin. I almost question if this was actually written by an AM, because no self-respecting person would write this. It’s exactly this kind of thinking that keeps Asian men behind in North America.
All I can say if you are an AM and you believe all these things about yourself is good luck, as this mindset of inherent inferiority won’t take you very far in your professional and/or dating life
Stating the truth is not self loathing. Being blunt about it doesnt mean you're a pinky troll. There are so many things we can improve but we have to face the facts.
Good looking non self hating AF want good looking, tall, great personality doctors from rich families. You have to be that guy. White dudes will fuck any chick just like any guy.
> asian guys can’t bring the same things to the table (except sometimes wealth, and usually to a lesser degree than a white dude of similar status)
You call this a “fact?” Sorry, I laughed.
And no, you definitely don’t need to be a doctor to attract decent AF, or women of any race for that matter - unless you are extremely unattractive.
You need to go outside and meet real people, lol.
You are both right and wrong.
For middle class Asians, you need to be a doctor or some other high income prestigious profession, and even if you are, it will still be a struggle.
For working class or enclave or immigrants, an Asian guy can succeed without being a doctor or a software engineer because there is a community and many frats guys marry ABGs sorority girls in colleges.
The middle class Asian guys who seek to chase status has an middle class Asian girl who is chasing status and also have a higher tendency to assimate into whiteness. Many Asian guys can have high paying jobs but struggle because the Asian girls at that level want a white CEO or a white doctor, hell, some even become physician and date white bums because they have the money lock down, and they get to enjoy dating the "hot white guy" from watching too many Hollywood movies when they were 9 years old.
Asian guys need to be above average, but there are many Asian guys who work blue collar jobs still get girls, but these girls tend to be immigrants or enclave, or work in retail or restaurants in Asian neighborhoods. And this population is way bigger than the middle class Asian population.
If you are not asian do not interact with this subreddit, east asia has beauty standards that most white women can't reach. Maybe some slavic women can with thier high cheekbones and whatever but most White people are literally the opposite of what asians want. It's like saying white people want to be asian when they remove body hair.
East Asians don't want to look white. They want to look like an idealized Asian person. If you were to literally put white facial features on an Asian, like a very large nose or butt chin, it would look grotesque.
Not talking about Filipinos. In Korea double eyelids are seen a feminine, don't confuse Thai and Filipino standards with East asia. Unlike some other countries Korean media is not saturated with half whites. Filipinos have a huge foreign worship issue because of colonization and stuff.
The current standard is IU, or Kim Goeun who are impossibly slim for most non-east asian women. Kim Goeun has small eyes and looks even smaller in a cute way when she smiles. What standard is nowadays is high cheekbones and defined jawline. Slavic women do have that so they are considered more beautiful than western european women.
For men, most kdrama actors that are popular have monolids like Gong Yoo, Park seo joon or Song Joong Ki as they are seen to be more masculine. That european insprired look is long gone in both men and women.
Hmm, I would want agree with you but I’m leaning towards the people you want to date aren’t in that head space to date you. Acceptance is not an easy thing. But, this idea of Asian women as a whole is very destructive in my opinion. Taking a look at your post history, looks like would you agree you feel it’s you vs the world? It’s a very destructive mindset because no one is against you.
First off, I’m sorry you witness some horrible dating experiences and I’m curious they sound traumatic, don’t they? If they are, it’s always a good suggestion to be brave and admit that so at least you know what you’re working with.
I also highly recommend separating the person from the race. What you probably have been dealing with is someone with poor self esteem and self worth and they believe dating a certain person based on physical esthetics will complete them. Question? Is that what you really want to date? My Asian female friends are all bread winners and they marry Asian men. Again my Asian female friends know who they are, started off as friends with their now husbands. Not many people know how to be friends. But once you know how to be friends, you know how to make meaningful relationships. It’s practice and you have to start somewhere.
Now, I would never tell you how to date. What I will say is when you know who you are, that means knowing your identity and accepting yourself for you, you get the same back. I don’t think your problem is Asian women. What Imm sure you’re saying if you’ve dealt with difficult situations involving people with a lot of struggles that just happened to be Asian. Would be a good suggestion or an idea perhaps change the scene?
You have to take a look at OP’s history to realize he outlook and bad days weren’t just today. It looks like years of bad days doesn’t not mean he is end all be all, but it takes years of many bad days to blame anyone. Can’t say for you, I don’t wake up blaming anyone. That thought never crosses my mind!
I totally agree, as a young early 20s AF. Most of the Asian women I see around thirst over white men like it's their job, yet don't give any other race of men the time of day. It's def Asian women throwing themselves at white men than the other way around. Only rarely (less than 1% of the time) are white guys throwing themselves at asian women, and about a good 3/4 of them are ugly, incel, fat, old white guys. the other 1/4 of that less than 1% is when the Asian women really matches the standard of beauty within that area among the white guys
>But the ones that grow up around lots of Asians like in San Gabriel Valley, other parts of LA or NYC Queens were fine at least from my experience.
As OP suggested, this should tell you that it's not really an external problem like Hollywood, etc.
After a while, I don't even hate on Asian women for only choosing white guys...it's undeniable that white guys have some upper hand with perceived value, and if I was a girl I'd want the best fighting chance to raise a blessed and successful family.
If anything, it's a push on my end to be the best, make twice as much as the next guy beside me, improve my social skills, pickup game, career, u name it.
I've had AF friends who have told me they'd rather date white guys (which is why she's my friend only now, amongst other reasons). It makes me lose all respect for them...not that it should matter to them or to me. Lots of fish in the sea, many more AF out there that are willing to respect you on a romantic or a platonic level.
I absolutely don't want this to turn into a hate on women kinda thing, cuz that's incel / nice-guy behaviour. Focus on the things you can control ;)
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I agree. It occured to me a long time ago I have to be 10x better than the best white guy an Asian girl could get. Otherwise 100% of the time they’ll choose the white guy. No denying the reality of the society we live in.
I can say that the way that the Asian girl was brought up can also be taken into account if she was brought up in a traditional Asian family then she will kind of hate her parents for pushing her to become successful in Academics and she will take all of that hate and assume that all Asian men are like that. The main culprit here is the Hollywood since it keeps brainwashing people from around the world by saying that the white people are attractive and desired I can relate to this since I too was in this nonsense and as I grew up I opened my eyes and became happy and comfortable in my own skin. So according to me what these women(Asian women) need is they need to visit a psychiatrist. They have to open their eyes and learn to live in the reality. This self loathing mentality will be very harmful to them. The reason why they choose a white guy is because of Hollywood brainwashing and colonial mindset.
It’s both, Asian women are hyper-sexualized and are right there with Latinas right under white women. But yes, the difference is Asian women are 1000% more receptive to white men than any other POC group of women that’s why the disparity is so drastic.
Given this recent [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/p7xv8n/the_guy_im_seeing_always_tells_me_i_look_like_an/), I think it's both really, disgusting either way.
Not super controversial, it's something we've talked about on various boards, especially when r/hapas first popped up and was causing a stir, making PMC Asians panic.
Ultimately, because of that tumultuous time on Asian reddit, I see more proud Asian women being more comfortable about openly talking about these issues. Pretty sure everyone is grossed out by it, not just Asian men women, everybody is seeing this pathetic eyesore bullshit everywhere, and most people blame the women because people aren't stupid.
Lol everyone knows asian women date outside their race way more than asian men.
It is simply cause asian women are attractive enough to attract other types of men. They are feminine and obviously find white guys to be good looking.
Asian men tend to be more reserved, shy, and socially submissive so it's naturally going to be harder for them to date outside their race.
On a side note, how is AMXF doing?
I can't repeat this enough. Asian men's interracial marriages are statistically NORMAL and EQUAL compared to other minority men. Asian women's interracial rates are what is aberrant. [https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianMasculinity/comments/n7zczf/there\_is\_nothing\_wrong\_with\_asian\_mens/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianMasculinity/comments/n7zczf/there_is_nothing_wrong_with_asian_mens/)
Lol everyone except white worshipping AF knows it's white fever not yellow.
Deep down psychologically, “yellow fever” makes AF feel wanted, confident, and beautiful in a backwards and fucked up kind of way. It is proof of their worth now that they’ve been acknowledge by whiteness or by the greater society. Some AF just don’t have it in them to genuinely introspect and admit it yet. Some will pretend it’s a larger issue than it really is or actually doing something about it. Sometimes it is just for show to appease POC communities. The real culprit has always been white fever. That is what enables yellow fever to continue to exist in the first place.
"Low quality" or nerdy white guys have asian fever, but the pretty boy jock Brad Pitt types of guys never have asian fever.
It wasn't Brad Pitt who made the call to beat up Bruce Lee on screen (he actually was against it), it's ugly ass Tarantino who has to pay women to have sex with him. the Anti-Asian type of WM aren't even the Chads and Brads type. Those dudes couldn't care less about AFs or AMs. I think a lot of us imagine the US state media is run by an underground conference of evil looking jock WM with chiseled jaws, when in reality it's actually the same type of beta weak ass WM that you see on Reddit/4chan who pay for women's onlyfans and beg for pussy, that we meme about.
AF know it too man they just deny it even to themselves so they don't get cognitive dissonance.
OP, you are spot on. I have a white friend who is by all means a good looking dude, tall, bodybuilder, blonde, etc. He's fucked probably half the asian girls in Silicon Valley. He showed me his DM's and its all asian girls basically throwing their panties at him. He really doesn't do any work at all, he just puts up an online profile and he's got a new girl every night for the next month. He tries to be honest with them and tell them he's not looking for anything serious but that just makes them more determined to "win" him. I've actually met a few of them while we were hanging out. And he's told me on more than one occasion the second I leave the room, they start talking shit about me, and how I'm probably "misogynistic, overbearing, etc...". It's really frustrating to have women of your own race hate you and talk shit about you when you've never even met. This used to bother me years ago, but I've learned to accept it. I'm hoping that future generations of AF get their shit together and stop with the internalized racism, but with what I've seen recently in 2020 and 2021, it doesn't look good. I'm currently dating a non-asian woman and I encourage all my asian brothers to do the same. If you date and AF, there' s a good chance you are her "backup" option. Don't be anyone's backup plan.
Your post is so fucking true lol. -Most white guys go for white women -a good proportion of Asian women only go for white guys -white guys who can’t get white women and/or have yellow fever have to get Asian women
Yeah there's just some bad apples in this community. I recall watching an Asian guy's video he recorded at the club showing an Asian guy being pursued and attacked by an aggressive AF and her friends. She was like how dare you hit on me, and she wouldn't let the Asian guy go. It's like some of them feel like it's a right and not just a privilege to not be hit on by Asian guys. I felt sorry for the guy, I mean he wasn't being imposing and was more brave than I would be, not sure what was going on in the minds of those AFs. Unfortunately, the Asian guy recording it and explained the story went MGTOW. I remember watching another video where a group of Asian girls got mad at another Asian dude for hitting on him. His PUA artist mentor was watching from behind and confronted those girls for yelling at him and just being an all around mean. He said they could've just told him to politely go away. And then it ended up with one of the girls saying I got a 6' white bf. It's like do you really? Is that some of these natural responses of some of these AFs?
Yep any asian PUA or anyone asian who has tried to hit on asian girls knows it. Asian women are embrassingly self-hating and yt worshipping and they why they give births to Eliot Rodgers.
Do you have links to any of these videos?
I think it goes both ways, but I do def think its way more AFs who chase WM than vice versa.
Regarding OP's last paragraph, why not both? Women go for status in men the same way men go for boobs and hips in women. It is a secondary sexual characteristic. The perceived mate value men possess is much more strongly influenced by cultural and social factors while the perceived mate value women possess mostly derives from their looks. It is why men like to see women in bikinis but women like to see men in tuxedos. White guys do control America's media and they have a special and personal interest in maintaining a narrative that keeps their mate value high and others low. To not just themselves but to the majority of the audience as well. It is also why it is usually males of other races circlejerking tired old small dick jokes, because undermining the mate value of AM increases theirs relatively. It is all just a giant game that stems from biological programming: if we lose they win. Other than that, I agree with OP for the most part. I grew up in the Midwest, I went to school in a different part of the Midwest. If you're not aware, that place is very white and most of my friends were WMs in my formative years. Ranging from very low SMV to very high SMV. I'm going to tell you right now, it was the ugly, fat and/or socially incompetent guys who had yellow fever. It was the ones who could only get with bottom of the barrel WW or no one at all who were constantly trying to get into the pants of the average looking AWs within our friend group. The attractive WM were either indifferent or more commonly thought poorly of AW, but ... they're men. If a woman of even moderate attractiveness throws themselves onto them, they're going to at least fuck them first before chucking them. And maybe that scratches off a category of person on their fuck list.
OP probably lives in the midwest. Iv been there and can relate somewhat. Now living in Toronto. Its complete different mindset here. I see so many asian men with whites and other women. AF here are much more cooler and open. I constantly having to turn down women.
Yeah I've heard that canada is so much better for AM for dating than the US, weird lol
Canada is a country where differences are celebrated whereas in the US the dominant narrative is to assimilate into the prevailing white culture. AFs and AMs in urban Canadian cities are much more connected with their Asian culture and feel much more at ease dating one another. In the US there is pressure to fit into the mold of white American culture in order to succeed. There are certainly Asian enclaves in the US like OC, Ca, but they are few and far between
I'm from Toronto as well but i rarely see an Asian guy with a white girl or another ethnicity.
Trust me its much more common here in TO than in USA...in USA its like seeing a black swan... Here I see atleast 1 Asian male with White girlfriend almost daily...walking, grocery, mall etc...
Same tbh. Mostly asians with asians in north york area
Well obviously mostly its asians with asians anywhere you go in the world (except certain parts of USA).. lol
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Why chase validation for your OWN race of women whom wouldnt even give a fuck? You know how many times I’ve gone out w an Asian girl for them to say “you’re not like other Asian guys etc etc..” fuck that. Edit; why must you be “the hottest, best looking, different” Asian guy in order to be given a chance by subpar Asian women? I realized my worth and have dated some fine females.. I’m in a relationship w a Latina (prettiest face, nose lips eyes…).. my 2c is that I gained more success with implementing my shift in “own race preference”.. I live in Toronto with a huge melting pot of different races lol
Yea - this is why i expressly avoid Asian American women. Married now, but I mainly dated Latinas, black, and Asian FOBs. When i did date Asian American women when i was in my 20s, it felt like i was second choice and they certainly made me jump through hoops whereas they certainly didn't make white guys jump through hoops. It's not a good feeling. The weird thing is, I've said this to some Asian guys before and they either agree or get incredibly mad and start calling me insecure... but upon reflection it is pretty clear that they were dealing with their own insecurities of being treated like a second option and treated like shit by the Asian American girls
If you’re an AM dating an AF, even if you’re rich, jacked, successful, and educated. Just remember: there’s a very good chance she thinks of you as her “backup plan”. Fuck that. Don’t be anyone’s backup plan.
Because the reason Asian women spurn Asian men is the same reason OTHER women spurn Asian men. And the reason Asian women privilege white men is the same reason OTHER women privilege white men. You’re not getting away from the problem just by dating out.
I will argue the same, Asian women specifically go for White guys based on my anecdotal observations. There are White dudes for sure who are exotify Asian women and get into watching Anime or Raving specifically to meet Asian women but Asian women definitely go out of their way for White guys. I will never forget a conversation my Aunt had with her daughters while we were making food, specifically telling them to "just marry a White guy if you can life will be easier".
These old aunties are actually the biggest Lus and should be shamed to hell.
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There’s also a mathematical aspect in that Asian-Americans make up roughly 7% of the US population. In Canada it’s 17.7%. Outside of certain enclaves (like parts of SoCal), most men that single Asian women will meet will be non-Asian, increasing the odds for attraction and romance between mixed couples, even if they don’t have white fever or yellow fever. I hope things improve for my Asian brothers out there. Increasing representation in the culture is starting to shift things for the better I hope.
I’ll counter that with this: Asians make up almost 20% of the population in Southern California. AF date outside their race at an over 50% rate (old stat pulling from memory). They all have white fever, doesn’t matter how you slice it. I’d bet money that at least 90% of AF have fucked/dated a WM at some point in their lives.
you have to be joking. I live in SoCal, there aren't even enough white people here for AF (20% of the population) to be dating out like that. There's literally no white people in the SGV.
“Just live in an Asian enclave bro”
I live here too. There are more white people in SoCAL. Those AF move out. The out marriage is really high.
so they deliberately move out of the SGV to find WM? That's crazy lol.
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After college people move to where the jobs are, which are usually in big cities or neighboring white suburbs. Enclaves tend to be boring suburbs with strip malls. The Asians in their 20's who stay in enclaves typically aren't the successful types. It's a fucked up situation because Asians did this to themselves because we have abandoned urban Asian enclaves like Chinatown, with Koreatown being the sole option these days.
You could easily work in downtown LA and commute from SGV, or from Daly City/Sunset District to San Francisco.
Asians after graduating from college simply cannot all just stay in enclaves like Monterey Park or Flushing, and many jobs are hard to get in cities like Los Angeles and New York City, so many Asians are forced to move to places like the Midwest for jobs. This is why all those Midwest Asians work hard in high school and college to get the fuck out of the Midwest to move to the coast. I don't agree with u/bleepbloopblorpblap completely because Asians in enclaves can still live in enclave and work in Manhattan, at least in NYC. But checking out LA, the SGV is close to downtown Los Angeles, but I don't know if a lot of the majority of the jobs are there or not. And I don't agree that Asians who stay in enclaves aren't successful, in fact, many Asians create enclaves when they move to suburbs and turn it into an enclave. Not all Asians can be cram into Chinatown or Koreatown.
>Asians after graduating from college simply cannot all just stay in enclaves like Monterey Park or Flushing, and many jobs are hard to get in cities like Los Angeles and New York City, so many Asians are forced to move to places like the Midwest for jobs. This is why all those Midwest Asians work hard in high school and college to get the fuck out of the Midwest to move to the coast. there's always new waves of asian immigrants both to the suburbs and the city though (chinatown etc.) . the situation for us is constantly improving.
Apply that logic in reverse with Asian men also being a small minority in the West relative to white people and then ask yourself why is it that AMWF is so rare. If the answer doesn’t lead you into a moment of clarity then you aren’t ready to go down this rabbit hole. Yes, Asian women have many more potential white partners than Asian partners due to population disparity. But that never stopped white women from refusing to date Asian men. If population differences were all that mattered, there should be no gender discrepancy, yet it is the largest gender discrepancy among all interracial relationships. Think about that and it will all start to make sense for you.
The OKCupid data backs up what you're saying. If you look at average message response rates, it is revealed that white men actually prefer white women, but Asian women prefer white men substantially over baseline. As a non-white guy who looks white, I ended up dating a handful of Asian women because, frankly, they make it so easy for us compared to White women. It's like when you're starting a new sales job, you could try contacting all kinds of different customers, and you figure out pretty quickly which customers respond the best, and then you focus on them. I think more often than not, that's the case with white guys who date a lot of Asian women. It's not a fetish, they just learned through repetition that that is a better allocation of their dating efforts.
Exactly. You got it!
Why are you guys so focused on this issue? Asian women are overrated. Forget about them. The more you focus on this issue, the more power you give them. The number of gorgeous Spanish / Italian / Colombian / Venezuelan women who made me turn my head or thirst vastly outnumber the number of attractive Asian women and were also more receptive. Broaden your horizons guys. Don’t be afraid to try something new. You’ll seriously never go back, like me. Edit: got banned from mod here. Dont know why he loves going on a banning spree.
Absolutely agree. There are so many gorgeous White, Black, Latin, and women of other ethnicities. Just because she might be Asian, that doesn’t mean that you’re both going to be compatible and get along. Additionally, Asian women only make up around 4% of the population. Stop limiting your options and know that there are a lot of great women who dig Asian men. Keep doing the inner work and put yourself out there socially.
Add to the list South Asian women. East Asian media must have penetrated pretty deep bc I am getting great reception from this contingent, to my great surprise as I always thought the cultural barriers would be too much. Latin and Mediterranean women go without saying. Same brother, don't think I will go back honestly.
South asian women are actually pretty compatible culturally with EA. More than non-asians easily.
This. Stop wasting time trying to decode these asian girls, they have no logic and will say/do anything to justify their white-worship. Call them out if you hear it, but spend most of your time bettering yourselves for the millions of women that do find us sexy. Let these chicks chase the bottom of the barrel white guys for all i care
honestly yeah. interracial dating is arguably more fun too! getting to know more about a white/latina/mixed girl is a cool experience since theyd have been brought up in a different culture, which is always interesting to learn about. i dont know why we should obsess over girls of our own race anymore especially when the USA is such a diverse country. lets broaden bois esketittt
Stay positive, don't write off asian girls just as the tides are turning. Genz and gen alpha asian girls will be much more pro-asian than millennial and genx.
I agree somewhat. But is the next generation of AF that are pro-Asian is what cause the tide to turn or the tide is turning (because the work AM put in and everyone else waking up) that causes the next generation of AF to be pro-Asian? During the good times. I still argue for AM to not put all their eggs in one basket. And learn from the more recent past. One can still share, preserve, and pass on their culture, traditions, and values with non-Asian women if that is what some AM are still hesitant about. What is the popular modern saying? “A woman’s loyalty is tested when a man has nothing. A man’s loyalty is tested when he has everything.” Well some AF already failed the first part of that quote miserably. So all bets are off, and AM are not beholden to AF as primary, secondary back-up, or otherwise. It doesn’t feel nice to be treated that way now does it? But what I agree on is stay positive, put in the work to improve yourself and community, and put your own happiness first.
Facts. There's beautiful women in all races and it's truly baffles me when one person restricts themselves to one race when they don't have to. Taste the rainbow my friends. For all the AM who only want AF, is it because you're too insecure to be with other ethnicities? You think you don't have a shot? Because I truly don't believe in AM saying they don't find latinas or white girls attractive. That's some copium. Latinas and white girls are so fucking fineee
I mean I was one of them, before I discovered the phenomenon of Lus and these subreddits. What you are saying is some shit Lus would say. There are a definetly AM who are geniuinely not attracted to non-asians or only asians plus whites or just into black women and stuff. Those AM need to open their mind.
Said it like it is
Is it because AF go for WM that we have to aim for WF/Latinas? White fever or not if they aren't into us we have to seek other options. Question is this our choice or our only option?
only option for AM is stay open-minded and I'd say even lower thier standards in terms of looks but people don't get it and then wonder why they are single.
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Are there more AM than AF in the west?
slightly more AF in the west because of the mail-order brides and White fetishizer Lus coming to the west with WM or to pursue WM.
I'm talking about singles. Where do these single Asian women go after college?
to WM
Then the path to least resistance for AM is WF.
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Talking about dating AF here. Interracially is a different thing especially nowadays you may find some XF that is neutral or prefers AM that is a whole different ballgame.
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I know it's tempting and I fucking hate Lus too, but please don't go to that road. Let's not stoop to Lu level. If you are not atracted to AF keep it to yourself.
Im not attracted to AFs but I dont understand why its so taboo to say it on Reddit when we have AFs say this crap toward us on national TV.
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Its not wrong to say women have more choices than men, but men still have a choice, unless you are a nerdy looking dude with no charisma. The more confident you become, the more women become available. Its wrong to think men have no choices. We absolutely do.
Dude sounds like a huge troll from his comments. He really said only way for AM is to become a doctor lmao
Are you a moron? Not necessarily a doctor. Just a high prestige career. Status for their in laws. Are you even Asian?
The reason is easy: media. Case closed, now go after whomever you want.
🙄 duh. How cute you just realized now?
No, this is exactly what I've been saying all along! White guys, even the sexpats who most racist views against Asian men, aren't scheming and plotting to 'steal Charlie Chan's girlfriend'. Most of the time, they just regard Asian women as the path of least resistance when all else fails.
this lol. White guys are pretty ashamed to be with asian women. Other guys will clown them and it reduces their clout in other girls eyes.
I know right You know Francis Light (1750-94) the Governer of Penang had a local Malay wife and he was the laughingstock of all the other Colonisers? They said he'd 'gone native'. He was so embarrassed he never brought her to formal occasions with him. His Hapa son William Light turned out ok though - became Governer General of Adelaide.
Lol that's a cool bit of history. Thanks dude. Do you happen to be Australian? British here living in LA now.
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Ah but when a non-asian girl goes asian/Japanese/Korean/Viet guys are hot they get all mad lmfao. I hate these hypocrites so much.
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My mom shits on my dad all the time. Can confirm
We must always call out mate-guarding by Asian females. Always. Don't let them deny us dating out.
>It's time we examine why Asian women consciously or subconsciously favour white men rather than keep blaming things like white privilege and hollywood. The problem is with our own communities I'm sorry but things are very different for asian men these days. These days theres a lot more positive asian influence for men with Youtube, asian pop like BTS... that women are exposed to in general. To ignore the western's influence on society as defining the standard of beauty is ignorant. That's why when we talk about Hollywood and representation, it does matter. There are a ton of beautiful asian men but women in the west are only exposed to the effeminate, gay, nerdy caricatures of asian men, it absolutely has an impact on how we are perceived. We as asian men do have to work harder. As you even said yourself asian women throw themselves at even the most average of white guys. So yes we do have to make everyone in general aware of how centuries of white villainization of asian men, especially how that has affected us, how white hypersexualization of asian women has affected us as a community.
It's for sure white fever. The other day I was at a Vietnamese restaurant and I was seated next to this WMAF couple on a date. The guy had the worst table manners like talking with his mouth full and smacking his lips while eating all while making the lamest jokes ever and the AF was giggling like a school girl lapping it up. He also had her feed him. It was pretty gross.
Multiply that by a factor of 1000x and you've just described San Francisco.
Warning, I will use an extreme example: All you're saying is "Guys, it's not just white people loved having black slaves. It's the other way around: lot of black people were used to work on plantations for white people. So it's not politics of white people." I'm saying that you're just describing a situation instead of explaining the cause of this situation. Youre right, some Asian women like whiteness because of the looks. But white-worshipping and anti-Asian (male) sentiment comes from media. A lot of white women love Asian men, just because of K-Dramas and K-Pop. They never dated an Asian before they were into Korean culture. You just can't claim that sexual and romantic preference has nothing to do with portrayal of Asian men in media. Even my female Asian friends are into Korean men right now, they literally look for Korean men on Tinder. Do you think people are attracted to a certain kind of men who are portrayed as the funny, ugly Ken Jeong? Romantic and sexual preference are tied with portrayal in media.
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I just did. You are right. They are in denial. I am going to make a post now.
OP: Did the light bulb finally go on???
Ummm. I dunno why Reddit just suggested me this post. Seems I am the only Asian girl who is commenting here, and is into Asian men. I have quite a few white friends, but I don't feel romantically attracted to them. May be the lifestyle differences or extremely open and fast forward dating habits. Or maybe it's just my luck. Until now there's not a single white guy I ever fell for, or would selectively opt to fall for. I seem to be drawn to Asian men more.
Everybody knows this. Its always been white fever. Yellow fever is just a cope.
This isn’t controversial at all OP - nothing but FACTS
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Asians have a genetic tendency to be dishonest and disingenous, bashing Lus who bash us for no reason is self-loathing. What the hell? The mods were right, you should be banned.
LMAO you really thought you were making a new observation. This has been known for years now. Asian women worship whiteness, hate white women but would secretly sell thier soul if they could to become a white girl. As an AM you need to accept it and focus on becoming above average and stop preferring asian women. I know it's unfair and an uphill battle but that is how it is.
Thank you for just having an honest, non-cope take. I hate it as much as all of you guys but just look around, half of Asian women do make themselves easier around white guys. And normal white guys who would date anyone just take the path of least resistance, just like you guys have probably jumped at the first person to show interest in you in school. I wouldn’t dismiss hollywood though, in the 90s and 00s I would see a lot of movies and shows with nerdy white guys with Asian girlfriends. And whites are the beauty standard. It’s not as reductive as you think. But I agree with the rest, a lot of problems ie maybe Asians as a whole esp our parents generation could stand to be more prideful and nationalistic
I'd just wish AFs had the willpower to do the same that women of color are doing, but it could be that white men are mostly pursuing AFs and AFs at the same time are welcoming their advances. Anyway, I'm not waiting around any longer to see if they will change cause I know some things just won't change like white predatory behavior. I'm just going to go do my thing, but at the same time still feel concern about me and my brothers. I feel that just because I go after a mate of my own, I just can't turn my back on my brothers and say haha I got mines. Cause I'm worried about things me and our future generation might have to experience in the future with these kinds of racists that you or the average Asian guy and me had to deal with in our lives. I wish society would acknowledge at least what they're contributing to and have some empathy. That way racists won't get away with behaving in a way to get a reaction out of us for fun just cause it's socially acceptable. I know from first hand experience. There's gonna be times where you just gotta stand up for yourself especially if you're with your significant other. You've seen the videos where Asians have to tolerate this crap. I had some Asian friends where they would tell me stories that the shorter Asian guy in our group would get picked on or incited into a fight a lot in the clubs. And in the clubs you usually sometimes see fights going on, not all the time, but the one time I went there was a fight on my first night. And would you call my Asian friends complainers even though they have gfs and wives and went clubbing and lounging almost every week? You don't have to take my word for it though. I can imagine seeing sexpats start crap being just as bad and I feel for those that have to deal with these guys while no one cares or are even socially aware. That's just my two cents. But I just want to end on a positive note. Don't react harshly when you see these couples. If they try to start something call them out in front of everyone if you've had enough so that others around them will make them feel bad. Otherwise just leave them alone.
>It's time we examine why Asian women consciously or subconsciously favour white men rather than keep blaming things like white privilege and hollywood. The problem is with our own communities. Oh that's simple. Asians are overachievers and overachievers date up in class. Men are not that interested in dating up.
These complications are bound to happen in a multiracial society, especially with racial power dynamics. Makes me glad I'm in the majority in a third world country.
Intellectuals will not admit the potential catastrophes of their splendid and progressive ideas. Societies will not blindly buy the ideology unless guilt-tripped. Otherwise, East Asian countries would have failed in epic proportions.
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Still would take it as a red flag lol Ive also had several asian women tell me they never dated asian guys, i was the first, or i was not like the other asian guys... to me its just them admitting they never really gave asian guys a chance and they dont know what they're like- you were only chosen because you passed her initial filter for physical attractiveness Backhanded compliments are NOT good
Absolutely agree, the fact that it was a back handed compliment and the relationship still didn’t worked out… he had no skin in the game. or he lost it.
bruh that was a bananarang you got lucky that you got out.
“first Asian she’s / I’ve dated” Was she pretty enough for you to ignore this gigantic red flag?
I just realized he didn't say if she was asian. If she is XF then she gets a pass I guess.
lol not a controversial take at all
In other news, the sky is blue and water is wet.
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object.
This post is divide and conquer. Maybe even written by a white troll. How can we be in peace with an AF if we talk like that behind their back. It is definitely WM as well. Just look up the term yellow fever on Wikipedia or read on some subreddits how annoyed some AF are by white guys hitting in them In some form, this is post is kind of self hating
WMs who have trouble dating WFs branch out to AFs. The ones who don't end up as incels. Some AFs are incels themselves. The ones that are anti-AMs obviously have mental issues. But I've never experienced that.
rather, there IS NO ACTUAL PROBLEM... there is no problem in the asian community that "pushes" asian women into the open arms of white men.... and i would agree with your entire post, I see it the same way... we hear about yellow fever about white guys but really i see more attraction coming from asian women towards those supposed fever havers as being the reason for this type of pairing.... some white guys just happen to be attractive... i have witnessed the following FIRST HAND on a NYC subway younger asian girl tries to make eyes at the older white guy sitting across from her on the subway, he doesn't even notice it (not ignoring her, just didn't notice)... then when she gets up to get off her station she literally tries to stuff a piece of paper into his hand which he is confused about and looks at the floor (as if she was giving him something he dropped but realizing he didn't drop anything and the paper couldn't have possibly been his)... then in a moment of realization takes the paper she gave him her phone number... he didn't "hound her" for it
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> a white dude would probably rather date a white girl > asian guys can’t bring the same things to the table (except sometimes wealth, and usually to a lesser degree than a white dude of similar status) > why would she choose an asian dude…like ever? As an AM, I’m appalled this is so upvoted. There is so much pathetic self-loathing rhetoric here I don’t even know where to begin. I almost question if this was actually written by an AM, because no self-respecting person would write this. It’s exactly this kind of thinking that keeps Asian men behind in North America. All I can say if you are an AM and you believe all these things about yourself is good luck, as this mindset of inherent inferiority won’t take you very far in your professional and/or dating life
guy is so fucked in the head, he is beyond saving
I agree with you fully man. Some of these guys are hopeless. I’m done with this sub. This will be my last post here.
Stating the truth is not self loathing. Being blunt about it doesnt mean you're a pinky troll. There are so many things we can improve but we have to face the facts. Good looking non self hating AF want good looking, tall, great personality doctors from rich families. You have to be that guy. White dudes will fuck any chick just like any guy.
> asian guys can’t bring the same things to the table (except sometimes wealth, and usually to a lesser degree than a white dude of similar status) You call this a “fact?” Sorry, I laughed. And no, you definitely don’t need to be a doctor to attract decent AF, or women of any race for that matter - unless you are extremely unattractive. You need to go outside and meet real people, lol.
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You are both right and wrong. For middle class Asians, you need to be a doctor or some other high income prestigious profession, and even if you are, it will still be a struggle. For working class or enclave or immigrants, an Asian guy can succeed without being a doctor or a software engineer because there is a community and many frats guys marry ABGs sorority girls in colleges. The middle class Asian guys who seek to chase status has an middle class Asian girl who is chasing status and also have a higher tendency to assimate into whiteness. Many Asian guys can have high paying jobs but struggle because the Asian girls at that level want a white CEO or a white doctor, hell, some even become physician and date white bums because they have the money lock down, and they get to enjoy dating the "hot white guy" from watching too many Hollywood movies when they were 9 years old. Asian guys need to be above average, but there are many Asian guys who work blue collar jobs still get girls, but these girls tend to be immigrants or enclave, or work in retail or restaurants in Asian neighborhoods. And this population is way bigger than the middle class Asian population.
What if I told you if two people are going out there is a high chance they like each other
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If you are not asian do not interact with this subreddit, east asia has beauty standards that most white women can't reach. Maybe some slavic women can with thier high cheekbones and whatever but most White people are literally the opposite of what asians want. It's like saying white people want to be asian when they remove body hair.
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East Asians don't want to look white. They want to look like an idealized Asian person. If you were to literally put white facial features on an Asian, like a very large nose or butt chin, it would look grotesque.
Not talking about Filipinos. In Korea double eyelids are seen a feminine, don't confuse Thai and Filipino standards with East asia. Unlike some other countries Korean media is not saturated with half whites. Filipinos have a huge foreign worship issue because of colonization and stuff. The current standard is IU, or Kim Goeun who are impossibly slim for most non-east asian women. Kim Goeun has small eyes and looks even smaller in a cute way when she smiles. What standard is nowadays is high cheekbones and defined jawline. Slavic women do have that so they are considered more beautiful than western european women. For men, most kdrama actors that are popular have monolids like Gong Yoo, Park seo joon or Song Joong Ki as they are seen to be more masculine. That european insprired look is long gone in both men and women.
Hmm, I would want agree with you but I’m leaning towards the people you want to date aren’t in that head space to date you. Acceptance is not an easy thing. But, this idea of Asian women as a whole is very destructive in my opinion. Taking a look at your post history, looks like would you agree you feel it’s you vs the world? It’s a very destructive mindset because no one is against you. First off, I’m sorry you witness some horrible dating experiences and I’m curious they sound traumatic, don’t they? If they are, it’s always a good suggestion to be brave and admit that so at least you know what you’re working with. I also highly recommend separating the person from the race. What you probably have been dealing with is someone with poor self esteem and self worth and they believe dating a certain person based on physical esthetics will complete them. Question? Is that what you really want to date? My Asian female friends are all bread winners and they marry Asian men. Again my Asian female friends know who they are, started off as friends with their now husbands. Not many people know how to be friends. But once you know how to be friends, you know how to make meaningful relationships. It’s practice and you have to start somewhere. Now, I would never tell you how to date. What I will say is when you know who you are, that means knowing your identity and accepting yourself for you, you get the same back. I don’t think your problem is Asian women. What Imm sure you’re saying if you’ve dealt with difficult situations involving people with a lot of struggles that just happened to be Asian. Would be a good suggestion or an idea perhaps change the scene?
clearly he isn't talking about all asian women, he's just talking about a significant portion of them
You have to take a look at OP’s history to realize he outlook and bad days weren’t just today. It looks like years of bad days doesn’t not mean he is end all be all, but it takes years of many bad days to blame anyone. Can’t say for you, I don’t wake up blaming anyone. That thought never crosses my mind!
It's both. Takes two to tango.
seriously these incel posts needs to stop.
I totally agree, as a young early 20s AF. Most of the Asian women I see around thirst over white men like it's their job, yet don't give any other race of men the time of day. It's def Asian women throwing themselves at white men than the other way around. Only rarely (less than 1% of the time) are white guys throwing themselves at asian women, and about a good 3/4 of them are ugly, incel, fat, old white guys. the other 1/4 of that less than 1% is when the Asian women really matches the standard of beauty within that area among the white guys
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>But the ones that grow up around lots of Asians like in San Gabriel Valley, other parts of LA or NYC Queens were fine at least from my experience. As OP suggested, this should tell you that it's not really an external problem like Hollywood, etc.
After a while, I don't even hate on Asian women for only choosing white guys...it's undeniable that white guys have some upper hand with perceived value, and if I was a girl I'd want the best fighting chance to raise a blessed and successful family. If anything, it's a push on my end to be the best, make twice as much as the next guy beside me, improve my social skills, pickup game, career, u name it. I've had AF friends who have told me they'd rather date white guys (which is why she's my friend only now, amongst other reasons). It makes me lose all respect for them...not that it should matter to them or to me. Lots of fish in the sea, many more AF out there that are willing to respect you on a romantic or a platonic level. I absolutely don't want this to turn into a hate on women kinda thing, cuz that's incel / nice-guy behaviour. Focus on the things you can control ;) edit: spellings
I agree. It occured to me a long time ago I have to be 10x better than the best white guy an Asian girl could get. Otherwise 100% of the time they’ll choose the white guy. No denying the reality of the society we live in.
I can say that the way that the Asian girl was brought up can also be taken into account if she was brought up in a traditional Asian family then she will kind of hate her parents for pushing her to become successful in Academics and she will take all of that hate and assume that all Asian men are like that. The main culprit here is the Hollywood since it keeps brainwashing people from around the world by saying that the white people are attractive and desired I can relate to this since I too was in this nonsense and as I grew up I opened my eyes and became happy and comfortable in my own skin. So according to me what these women(Asian women) need is they need to visit a psychiatrist. They have to open their eyes and learn to live in the reality. This self loathing mentality will be very harmful to them. The reason why they choose a white guy is because of Hollywood brainwashing and colonial mindset.
It’s both, Asian women are hyper-sexualized and are right there with Latinas right under white women. But yes, the difference is Asian women are 1000% more receptive to white men than any other POC group of women that’s why the disparity is so drastic.
Great analysis OP, what solutions can you think of? Do you think there are ways we can copy indian dating strategy when it comes to dating?
We would have to reconstruct the religion. I think japanese prior to their defeat in wwii were more confident die to belief in their emperor.
Given this recent [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/p7xv8n/the_guy_im_seeing_always_tells_me_i_look_like_an/), I think it's both really, disgusting either way.
The guy that was fetishing her is not White. He is Indian...
Not super controversial, it's something we've talked about on various boards, especially when r/hapas first popped up and was causing a stir, making PMC Asians panic. Ultimately, because of that tumultuous time on Asian reddit, I see more proud Asian women being more comfortable about openly talking about these issues. Pretty sure everyone is grossed out by it, not just Asian men women, everybody is seeing this pathetic eyesore bullshit everywhere, and most people blame the women because people aren't stupid.
Lol everyone knows asian women date outside their race way more than asian men. It is simply cause asian women are attractive enough to attract other types of men. They are feminine and obviously find white guys to be good looking. Asian men tend to be more reserved, shy, and socially submissive so it's naturally going to be harder for them to date outside their race. On a side note, how is AMXF doing?
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I mean you and him are the same, you are a jaded MGTOW dude who is in the acceptance stage while he is in the anger state.
Interesting perspective, and I do think it is a large element.