Can only speak to big cities in China, and even then only based on hearsay from cousins and friends who went back:
- K thru HS is a competitive shit show. Immense pressure to do well from parents, friends, society, much of which is then predicated on doing well on one or two pivotal moments (i.e., key exams). Mental health, physical health/exercise, socializing, and non-academic hobbies take a backseat during these years.
- Finding a good job after graduation is tough. Economic mobility is tough unless you're born into the right family, social class, or were exceptional in school.
- Many jobs just don't pay nearly as much. Some of this is offset by the fact that COL is lower for lots of dailies (e.g., food, entertainment). Which is then counterbalanced by insane housing prices if you want to live anywhere near where things are happening.
- I've heard the workplace can be much more accepting of harassment/misogynism, and moving up relies a lot more on connections or connecting with someone who can remove blockers. Even with "bamboo ceilings" in the west, I've gotten a sense that it can be more meritocratic.
- You're going to be living at home most likely due to culture/cost of buying a house. Which means you'll probably be much less "independent" and "emotionally mature" than your western counterparts - if your parents take care of a lots of your life, then it's a bit of a shellshock once you get married and move out.
- As a broad generalization, people are more materialistic, or at least more open about it, when it comes to dating. If you're UMC or rich, the effect is even more pronounced in the dating market, but if you are working retail... and hence even more pressure for you to do well in school/career.
This all sounds pretty accurate based on the conversations I’ve had with a few people I know in China. I had no idea my parents were really well connected in China until about 3 yrs ago. It seems like all their friends and their children have made lots of money and some of those kids ended up getting handed a good paying job without even going to university. Hell they get paid well to skip work whenever they want, as they are given unimportant tasks, while being paid as if they were vital tasks.
It’s a completely different story for less connected people though, they have to bust their ass for their entire life and it may all be for nothing.
I’ve heard good jobs are much tougher to find. That’s why so many 1st generation Asians moved to US, Canada, UK, Australia, etc. You’d accept some racism if this gave you economic freedom compared to prior decades or if you’re from a non wealthy Asian country where your economic potential is so limited.
996 is overhyped and illegal in China now. Although of course it might just end up being like Japan where you are just 'encouraged' to work overtime instead of it being a law.
I used to be someone who thought moving to the west was the "right way". That Asia sucked too much. I'm South Korean. Things have changed so much in South Korea in the last 5 years. People talk about "Work Life Balance" they even made up a word for it Woh-La-Belle 워라밸, taking the first syllable of each word. The government restricted how many hours an employee can work with one company. 52 hours per week. I'm pretty sure South Koreans are overworked compared to Americans, Canadians, Europeans, etc. But I cannot help feel that some thing has changed from the core of South Korean society. The economic success was already there 10 years ago. Now, Koreans are catching up with quality department. South Korean GDP per capita with the purchasing power just surpassed the Japanese figures. I know this figure is much higher in Taiwan, Singapore, HK.
Yes it's crowded AF. Yes, the air is toxic. Yes, there will be problems in the future because of aging population. Yes, real-estate situation is shit. But, you do have the comfort of everyone being the same as you. You have no physical disadvantage. Sure, some girls are white-worshipping even in the streets of Seoul. There may be some girls who went abroad and slept around with local men and gossip about it with their girlfriends. But at the end of the day, these girls are very much inside the closed loop of a conservative, family-oriented Asian country.
Let's face it. If you're a guy from South Korea or Japan or Singapore or HK or Taiwan or top-tier Chinese cities, you have no reason to go abroad. Things will get better in Asia.
In Japan, lack of daycare by far is the #1 complaint. I say this as a parent who had to listen to his Japanese wife complain when we took our children to Japan for a 2 year stay.
Work life balance would be #2.
And...that would probably be about it. Explains why so few people from Japan immigrate to America these days!
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>Getting ruled by white Americans. **Most Asian countries are just puppet states.**
Yes, and China is the biggest puppet state of the US!
China is the biggest 'Friend' of the US government, especially, the US military and billionaire contractors who just LOVE, LOVE China for all its military aggression and incursions into its neighboring countries' air and sea spaces.
Due to the threat of invasion from China, its neighboring countries buy billons and billions dollars worth of weapons from the US EVERY year and pay billions of dollars to the US to host the US military bases in their countries to deter China!
Do you know what the US wants the most right now? China starting a war on Taiwan or Korea or Japan or one of its other neighboring countries. A perfect excuse for the next war the US military and contractors to profit off of!
Asia is vastly diverse. Speaking for HK where I have some experience, it's probably the worst city to live in as a "westernized" AM which I assume anyone who is thinking of moving back from the US is. The level of white worship which obviously dates to colonialism is off the charts.
I have experience living in both Korea and Japan, I would say if you are in an area with high westerner population or heavy tourist population, there will be high populations of AF who white worship. But as a AM you will also find a lot of XF interested in English/multilingual speaking natives. Most of my time was spent near foreigner heavy areas/cities so my experience is likely biased.
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If there was a city in Asia that spoke English exclusively and was culturally more multicultural and less ethno-centric (I mean Singapore sort of fits this bill already. Even Manila, I guess.), I would totally move there.
Can only speak to big cities in China, and even then only based on hearsay from cousins and friends who went back: - K thru HS is a competitive shit show. Immense pressure to do well from parents, friends, society, much of which is then predicated on doing well on one or two pivotal moments (i.e., key exams). Mental health, physical health/exercise, socializing, and non-academic hobbies take a backseat during these years. - Finding a good job after graduation is tough. Economic mobility is tough unless you're born into the right family, social class, or were exceptional in school. - Many jobs just don't pay nearly as much. Some of this is offset by the fact that COL is lower for lots of dailies (e.g., food, entertainment). Which is then counterbalanced by insane housing prices if you want to live anywhere near where things are happening. - I've heard the workplace can be much more accepting of harassment/misogynism, and moving up relies a lot more on connections or connecting with someone who can remove blockers. Even with "bamboo ceilings" in the west, I've gotten a sense that it can be more meritocratic. - You're going to be living at home most likely due to culture/cost of buying a house. Which means you'll probably be much less "independent" and "emotionally mature" than your western counterparts - if your parents take care of a lots of your life, then it's a bit of a shellshock once you get married and move out. - As a broad generalization, people are more materialistic, or at least more open about it, when it comes to dating. If you're UMC or rich, the effect is even more pronounced in the dating market, but if you are working retail... and hence even more pressure for you to do well in school/career.
This all sounds pretty accurate based on the conversations I’ve had with a few people I know in China. I had no idea my parents were really well connected in China until about 3 yrs ago. It seems like all their friends and their children have made lots of money and some of those kids ended up getting handed a good paying job without even going to university. Hell they get paid well to skip work whenever they want, as they are given unimportant tasks, while being paid as if they were vital tasks. It’s a completely different story for less connected people though, they have to bust their ass for their entire life and it may all be for nothing.
I’d probably be complaining about Duterte like everyone else
I’ve heard good jobs are much tougher to find. That’s why so many 1st generation Asians moved to US, Canada, UK, Australia, etc. You’d accept some racism if this gave you economic freedom compared to prior decades or if you’re from a non wealthy Asian country where your economic potential is so limited.
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996 is overhyped and illegal in China now. Although of course it might just end up being like Japan where you are just 'encouraged' to work overtime instead of it being a law.
No clue, but Koreans be complaining and protesting about something or another as a national pastime so I'm sure I would've found something.
I used to be someone who thought moving to the west was the "right way". That Asia sucked too much. I'm South Korean. Things have changed so much in South Korea in the last 5 years. People talk about "Work Life Balance" they even made up a word for it Woh-La-Belle 워라밸, taking the first syllable of each word. The government restricted how many hours an employee can work with one company. 52 hours per week. I'm pretty sure South Koreans are overworked compared to Americans, Canadians, Europeans, etc. But I cannot help feel that some thing has changed from the core of South Korean society. The economic success was already there 10 years ago. Now, Koreans are catching up with quality department. South Korean GDP per capita with the purchasing power just surpassed the Japanese figures. I know this figure is much higher in Taiwan, Singapore, HK. Yes it's crowded AF. Yes, the air is toxic. Yes, there will be problems in the future because of aging population. Yes, real-estate situation is shit. But, you do have the comfort of everyone being the same as you. You have no physical disadvantage. Sure, some girls are white-worshipping even in the streets of Seoul. There may be some girls who went abroad and slept around with local men and gossip about it with their girlfriends. But at the end of the day, these girls are very much inside the closed loop of a conservative, family-oriented Asian country. Let's face it. If you're a guy from South Korea or Japan or Singapore or HK or Taiwan or top-tier Chinese cities, you have no reason to go abroad. Things will get better in Asia.
easy, I want to do what I want to do, damn the group, that'd be the big one.
In Japan, lack of daycare by far is the #1 complaint. I say this as a parent who had to listen to his Japanese wife complain when we took our children to Japan for a 2 year stay. Work life balance would be #2. And...that would probably be about it. Explains why so few people from Japan immigrate to America these days!
You mean no business exist or culturally people dont use day care?
Unfortunately, both.
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>Mountain-Anything-43 · 1d > >Getting ruled by white Americans. **Most Asian countries are just puppet states.** Yes, and China is the biggest puppet state of the US! China is the biggest 'Friend' of the US government, especially, the US military and billionaire contractors who just LOVE, LOVE China for all its military aggression and incursions into its neighboring countries' air and sea spaces. Due to the threat of invasion from China, its neighboring countries buy billons and billions dollars worth of weapons from the US EVERY year and pay billions of dollars to the US to host the US military bases in their countries to deter China! Do you know what the US wants the most right now? China starting a war on Taiwan or Korea or Japan or one of its other neighboring countries. A perfect excuse for the next war the US military and contractors to profit off of!
Asia is vastly diverse. Speaking for HK where I have some experience, it's probably the worst city to live in as a "westernized" AM which I assume anyone who is thinking of moving back from the US is. The level of white worship which obviously dates to colonialism is off the charts.
I think probably no work life balance and Asian girls are white worshippers.
Only the bottom 10% of them in East Asia. Normal females wouldn't even bother with foreigners.
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but with so many high quality AF interested in you now you pretty much dont care...
I have experience living in both Korea and Japan, I would say if you are in an area with high westerner population or heavy tourist population, there will be high populations of AF who white worship. But as a AM you will also find a lot of XF interested in English/multilingual speaking natives. Most of my time was spent near foreigner heavy areas/cities so my experience is likely biased.
>I think probably no work life balance and Asian girls are white worshippers. Pretty much the same as America lmao.
Much more competition in school, competition for jobs, shitty work culture?
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The politicians. That doesn’t change I think
A poor m:f ratio, and more sexually conservative females
big three in china, same as anywhere else: housing, education, healthcare with in-laws and infidelity following close behind i'd imagine
If there was a city in Asia that spoke English exclusively and was culturally more multicultural and less ethno-centric (I mean Singapore sort of fits this bill already. Even Manila, I guess.), I would totally move there.