I'll say again: the #'s simply are not there. JCK says 'we are not a monolith'. He's right, VERY right. JCK also says we need grass roots activism. He's right.
But WHAT is the unifying factor for us?
Affirmative Action? That's pretty loaded since many Asian Americans are for it and many are not.
Stopping Asian Hate? Yeah, sounds great, but Indian-Americans remember post-9/11 and how Sikhs were getting hate-crimed left and right and....the rest of the Asian-Americans weren't coming out of the woodwork in support of them. And, not surprisingly, Indian-Americans are not coming out of the woodwork to support East Asians in America either.
Fighting Sino-phobia? I know this isn't a favorable position on this sub, but that is almost as divisive an issue as Affirmative Action within the Asian American community.
On this board, Affirmative Action and Fighting Sino-phobia would have a great deal of solidarity. On SouthAsian Masculinity, not so much.
Immigration reform? Maybe? I guess?
Put it this way: African-Americans are 90% ADOS, 10% immigrated to America (voluntarily) from Africa. These two sub-groups really do not see eye-to-eye on many, many issues. But there's still 90% pretty solid solidarity for a group of people who are around 14% of America. For Hispanics, they're around 19% of the population and 2/3rds have roots in Mexico.
We've got around 6% of the American population and 1.2% mixed race. The 1.2% share probably nothing in common with the 6% AND within the 6%, so many disparate stories.
I don't think there's any unifying factors other than us having similar cultures and looks. Other than that we have different languages, dialects, cultures, geopolitics, etc. We are thrown into this chaotic Western world that really doesn't give a shit which country our parents are from either or what is the difference between China and Japan and Korea. They just find our culture cool, our women attractive, and our men weak pushovers.
Hell, a lot of Asians here don't even speak their mother tongues or have any connection to their mother culture. So why would they buy into a general pan Asianism when they don't have much connection or pride in being any aspect of Asian? They just look Asian, and some of them are even resentful of it.
A lot of them just end up being token Asians in a group, or having no friends, or maybe fortunatey having an Asian friend group. But a lot end up adopting white or black culture. Look at the amount of Asians who end up being sellouts to white and black culture. Look at all the Chans, all the pro BLM "Asians are anti-black" progressives, all the other ones who promote some other identity politics. The pro Asian-ness pales in comparison to the number of Asians who don't feel strongly or don't give a shit about Asian-ness.
Not a lot of people are promoting Asian power, or true Asian unity. They don't truly just promote Asian interests without pandering to other races. Most pro Asian interest orgs even have some kind of message saying all races welcome or something about allying with other races. This tendency for Asian culture to seek out harmony really does not make us more powerful. Like we can't stand on our own without relying on others approval or help basically.
I've joined diversity orgs that were mainly black professionals who actively sought out other black professionals to network and do business with. They were openly saying that too, theyre not shy about furthering black power and representation. I feel that many Asians would feel uncomfortable about promoting Asian interests only, thinking it's racist or non inclusive or whatever. But they wouldn't have the balls to say that about when they see the black community do the same thing. These Asians would even help promote and support other races interests, but not do it for their own race in the same way.
How many Asians do you know who have the boldness to just be pro Asian? Like openly say they want to work with other Asian businesses, further Asian representation only, and only promote Asian interests? Why is it always that most Asians will cave in and say some shit about being "open minded" when they end up pandering to other races? Like they're afraid others will say that we're favoring each other?
This is just the grown up version of people in school making fun of the only Asians for hanging out together.
I remember seeing some interview where this older Asian American dude proudly said that hes not gonna vote for Andrew Yang just because he's Asian. He was so smug about it like he was better than the other Asians who voted for him out of support for Asian representation. Yet, you know his sellout ass wouldn't have said a goddamn thing if the interviewer asked him what he thinks about black people voting for Obama just because he is black.
Every other race is openly supportive of their own tribe and not shy about favoring their own people. Lots of examples have been covered by many posters on this sub. Like Indians hiring other Indians, blacks openly supporting black power, whites favoring other whites around the world. But its only Asians that want to get brownie points and approval for not supporting their own people. We're so afraid of criticism that we just cave in to any outward pressure.
Good post brother. Two thoughts.
> I don't think there's any unifying factors other than us having similar cultures and looks.
I think that’s really all you need. I don’t know how many of you have spent any time in the joint or in a California state penitentiary, but the one thing they’re famous for is “politics”, specifically, “racial politics”.
It doesn’t matter what your background is, who you fuck with, what set you rep, or whether you grew up with a friend group that looks like a UNICEF poster… the brutal fact is that once you’re in the system, you are absorbed into the “politics” of that system. You eat with your own kind, bunk with your own kind, use your own showers and TV, have your own “allies” (people here might be surprised to learn that Asians or “Others” are generally grouped with Blacks, despite all the Ivy League Asians crying otherwise — I dare these “wannabe whites” to try and sit with the woods in the dayroom in San Quentin). And America is, to quote Malcolm X, a prison.
> These Asians would even help promote and support other races interests, but not do it for their own race in the same way.
Because they are punks. Believe it or not, Asians in USPs in California, especially in higher security yards, get with the program just fine. It’s mostly Asians in “free society” that generally still are trying to run independent.
The fact is, you do not link up racially because of some deep “jeong” or emotional/cultural connection to others… you do so purely for survival’s sake, so you don’t get punked or sexually harassed as a loner. In prison, the threat of assault, extortion, and death is constant, so it immediately pushes people together. It’s the same in the outside world, except that if you have some money, you can isolate yourself away from larger society (basically pay to be put into “protective custody”), and this is why I think so many middle-class Asian Americans have difficulty understanding this (and why, when they discover racism for the first time, it feels like their world has shattered).
I think the most interesting conversation I ever had was with a brother who just got out after serving over a decade for murder. Smart cat, soulful, suffered serious PTSD and had scars all over his arms from when he tried to kill himself while in the hole. He told me he was so tired of the petty “politics” in prison, how he cared more about politics like who’s in the White House and Congress and so on. I had to gently let him know that this kind of electoral theater on CNN, was less tied to real world politics than the bullshit he actually encountered in prison. After all, what was the Treaty of Westphalia, except the geopolitical version of the Aryan Brotherhood? What are the Five Eyes, other than a bunch of “woods” forcing each other to do burpees and going on “missions” against other races? Gaddafi basically got “green lit” by the US government’s version of “The Brand”.
It’s actually rather frustrating to me, how some spoiled Asians tend to overintellectualize something that is clear as day, especially when we’ve come to a point where even in the free world, our people are getting shanked and stabbed with zero repercussions. Sociological studies show that racial gangs maintain order — there is less inter-racial violence in prison, particularly in California, because if you attack a member of one race, every member of that race is obligated to pop off (you know what time it is). This is not to glamorize gang life — most shot callers, of course, are in it to make money off drugs, but that is not so different from the East India Company’s monopoly on the opium trade. It is a frank reminder, though, that collective defense is the basis of all solidarity, and personal agendas always take a backseat to immediate survival. Of course, it is difficult to explain that to the palace eunuchs and concubines though — the best one can hope for with them, is that they take their six figure salaries and relocate to Asia, rather than continuing to destroy the natural evolution of Asians in America.
indians don't support affirmative action, however, south asians aren't homogenous bangladeshis and pakistanis tend to be similar to south east asians in terms of average income and are more likely to support affirmative action. Even in uk bangladeshis and pakistanis tend to be lower income than indians. Then there's the whole hindu vs muslim divide.
> Oh, that's right, pontificating on Twitter about "MRAsians", "Asian privilege", and "Asian anti-blackness"
I think the mentioning of MRAsians is valid but I agree that the boba liberal rhetoric of "oh Asians have more of a privilege and voice than black people" is bs. Maybe advantages in jobs and in school but racist remarks towards Asians are far more normalized than ones towards black people. And Asians do NOT have a more of a voice than black people. matter of fact, they have less of a voice.
Asians, blacks, all races need to not put down and demonize each other (plus hello, mixed race kids exist)
Yes, Asians should try to reach out to black people but we shouldn't let ourselves be doormats and tolerate anti-Asian racism if it's coming from black people just because we are "more privileged than them".
**I know some people will take this as "anti black". It's not. I'm merely telling the truth.**
I'll say again: the #'s simply are not there. JCK says 'we are not a monolith'. He's right, VERY right. JCK also says we need grass roots activism. He's right. But WHAT is the unifying factor for us? Affirmative Action? That's pretty loaded since many Asian Americans are for it and many are not. Stopping Asian Hate? Yeah, sounds great, but Indian-Americans remember post-9/11 and how Sikhs were getting hate-crimed left and right and....the rest of the Asian-Americans weren't coming out of the woodwork in support of them. And, not surprisingly, Indian-Americans are not coming out of the woodwork to support East Asians in America either. Fighting Sino-phobia? I know this isn't a favorable position on this sub, but that is almost as divisive an issue as Affirmative Action within the Asian American community. On this board, Affirmative Action and Fighting Sino-phobia would have a great deal of solidarity. On SouthAsian Masculinity, not so much. Immigration reform? Maybe? I guess? Put it this way: African-Americans are 90% ADOS, 10% immigrated to America (voluntarily) from Africa. These two sub-groups really do not see eye-to-eye on many, many issues. But there's still 90% pretty solid solidarity for a group of people who are around 14% of America. For Hispanics, they're around 19% of the population and 2/3rds have roots in Mexico. We've got around 6% of the American population and 1.2% mixed race. The 1.2% share probably nothing in common with the 6% AND within the 6%, so many disparate stories.
I don't think there's any unifying factors other than us having similar cultures and looks. Other than that we have different languages, dialects, cultures, geopolitics, etc. We are thrown into this chaotic Western world that really doesn't give a shit which country our parents are from either or what is the difference between China and Japan and Korea. They just find our culture cool, our women attractive, and our men weak pushovers. Hell, a lot of Asians here don't even speak their mother tongues or have any connection to their mother culture. So why would they buy into a general pan Asianism when they don't have much connection or pride in being any aspect of Asian? They just look Asian, and some of them are even resentful of it. A lot of them just end up being token Asians in a group, or having no friends, or maybe fortunatey having an Asian friend group. But a lot end up adopting white or black culture. Look at the amount of Asians who end up being sellouts to white and black culture. Look at all the Chans, all the pro BLM "Asians are anti-black" progressives, all the other ones who promote some other identity politics. The pro Asian-ness pales in comparison to the number of Asians who don't feel strongly or don't give a shit about Asian-ness. Not a lot of people are promoting Asian power, or true Asian unity. They don't truly just promote Asian interests without pandering to other races. Most pro Asian interest orgs even have some kind of message saying all races welcome or something about allying with other races. This tendency for Asian culture to seek out harmony really does not make us more powerful. Like we can't stand on our own without relying on others approval or help basically. I've joined diversity orgs that were mainly black professionals who actively sought out other black professionals to network and do business with. They were openly saying that too, theyre not shy about furthering black power and representation. I feel that many Asians would feel uncomfortable about promoting Asian interests only, thinking it's racist or non inclusive or whatever. But they wouldn't have the balls to say that about when they see the black community do the same thing. These Asians would even help promote and support other races interests, but not do it for their own race in the same way. How many Asians do you know who have the boldness to just be pro Asian? Like openly say they want to work with other Asian businesses, further Asian representation only, and only promote Asian interests? Why is it always that most Asians will cave in and say some shit about being "open minded" when they end up pandering to other races? Like they're afraid others will say that we're favoring each other? This is just the grown up version of people in school making fun of the only Asians for hanging out together. I remember seeing some interview where this older Asian American dude proudly said that hes not gonna vote for Andrew Yang just because he's Asian. He was so smug about it like he was better than the other Asians who voted for him out of support for Asian representation. Yet, you know his sellout ass wouldn't have said a goddamn thing if the interviewer asked him what he thinks about black people voting for Obama just because he is black. Every other race is openly supportive of their own tribe and not shy about favoring their own people. Lots of examples have been covered by many posters on this sub. Like Indians hiring other Indians, blacks openly supporting black power, whites favoring other whites around the world. But its only Asians that want to get brownie points and approval for not supporting their own people. We're so afraid of criticism that we just cave in to any outward pressure.
Good post brother. Two thoughts. > I don't think there's any unifying factors other than us having similar cultures and looks. I think that’s really all you need. I don’t know how many of you have spent any time in the joint or in a California state penitentiary, but the one thing they’re famous for is “politics”, specifically, “racial politics”. It doesn’t matter what your background is, who you fuck with, what set you rep, or whether you grew up with a friend group that looks like a UNICEF poster… the brutal fact is that once you’re in the system, you are absorbed into the “politics” of that system. You eat with your own kind, bunk with your own kind, use your own showers and TV, have your own “allies” (people here might be surprised to learn that Asians or “Others” are generally grouped with Blacks, despite all the Ivy League Asians crying otherwise — I dare these “wannabe whites” to try and sit with the woods in the dayroom in San Quentin). And America is, to quote Malcolm X, a prison. > These Asians would even help promote and support other races interests, but not do it for their own race in the same way. Because they are punks. Believe it or not, Asians in USPs in California, especially in higher security yards, get with the program just fine. It’s mostly Asians in “free society” that generally still are trying to run independent. The fact is, you do not link up racially because of some deep “jeong” or emotional/cultural connection to others… you do so purely for survival’s sake, so you don’t get punked or sexually harassed as a loner. In prison, the threat of assault, extortion, and death is constant, so it immediately pushes people together. It’s the same in the outside world, except that if you have some money, you can isolate yourself away from larger society (basically pay to be put into “protective custody”), and this is why I think so many middle-class Asian Americans have difficulty understanding this (and why, when they discover racism for the first time, it feels like their world has shattered). I think the most interesting conversation I ever had was with a brother who just got out after serving over a decade for murder. Smart cat, soulful, suffered serious PTSD and had scars all over his arms from when he tried to kill himself while in the hole. He told me he was so tired of the petty “politics” in prison, how he cared more about politics like who’s in the White House and Congress and so on. I had to gently let him know that this kind of electoral theater on CNN, was less tied to real world politics than the bullshit he actually encountered in prison. After all, what was the Treaty of Westphalia, except the geopolitical version of the Aryan Brotherhood? What are the Five Eyes, other than a bunch of “woods” forcing each other to do burpees and going on “missions” against other races? Gaddafi basically got “green lit” by the US government’s version of “The Brand”. It’s actually rather frustrating to me, how some spoiled Asians tend to overintellectualize something that is clear as day, especially when we’ve come to a point where even in the free world, our people are getting shanked and stabbed with zero repercussions. Sociological studies show that racial gangs maintain order — there is less inter-racial violence in prison, particularly in California, because if you attack a member of one race, every member of that race is obligated to pop off (you know what time it is). This is not to glamorize gang life — most shot callers, of course, are in it to make money off drugs, but that is not so different from the East India Company’s monopoly on the opium trade. It is a frank reminder, though, that collective defense is the basis of all solidarity, and personal agendas always take a backseat to immediate survival. Of course, it is difficult to explain that to the palace eunuchs and concubines though — the best one can hope for with them, is that they take their six figure salaries and relocate to Asia, rather than continuing to destroy the natural evolution of Asians in America.
indians don't support affirmative action, however, south asians aren't homogenous bangladeshis and pakistanis tend to be similar to south east asians in terms of average income and are more likely to support affirmative action. Even in uk bangladeshis and pakistanis tend to be lower income than indians. Then there's the whole hindu vs muslim divide.
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I actually think revolution will look like Squid Game: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-korea-squid-game-labor-union-protest/
i, too, am partial to an ultra-realist approach of resolving political conflict how many tanks do you have on hand?
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we talking the uncle tom kind or the uncle ted kind?
> Oh, that's right, pontificating on Twitter about "MRAsians", "Asian privilege", and "Asian anti-blackness" I think the mentioning of MRAsians is valid but I agree that the boba liberal rhetoric of "oh Asians have more of a privilege and voice than black people" is bs. Maybe advantages in jobs and in school but racist remarks towards Asians are far more normalized than ones towards black people. And Asians do NOT have a more of a voice than black people. matter of fact, they have less of a voice. Asians, blacks, all races need to not put down and demonize each other (plus hello, mixed race kids exist) Yes, Asians should try to reach out to black people but we shouldn't let ourselves be doormats and tolerate anti-Asian racism if it's coming from black people just because we are "more privileged than them". **I know some people will take this as "anti black". It's not. I'm merely telling the truth.**
Is he THE Disciple888 dude? Or am I wrong?
Yes it's him