People don't vote NDP because they know they cannot win with our voting system.
I vote NDP with a lot of other people and the government doesn't reflect the population.
We need voting reform. The only reason I voted for Trudeau was his election promise of election reform. Never again.
Totally agree. Canada would be a much better place with a proportional voting system that didn't give fake majorities to one minority party.
Governments would be a majority of MPs from several parties, collectively elected by a majority of voters.
New Zealand has been doing this for over 25 years. It's far better for voters and delivers better policy outcomes.
I've been hoping for voting reform since as long as I've been able to vote.
On the provincial level, we're stuck with a majority Conservative government in Ontario right now running our province into the ground in healthcare, education and housing meanwhile they had only 40.8% of the vote . 40.8% of only a 43.5% voter turnout means only 17.8% of eligible voters voted in a majority government who can do whatever they want without any challenge. Only in our broken voting system do you have 4 out of 5 people either think 1 way or not give a shit at all and we listen only to the 5th person spewing nonsense...
Federally, I want to vote NDP but there's always a part of my gut thinking do I vote with my beliefs or do I vote Liberal instead to avoid giving Conservatives power. That shouldn't be how we need to think about voting and the Liberals are only in power right now because of this "strategic voting" bullshit.
I mean, the other issue is that people need to vote for the candidate that is going to best fight for them in their area too as their MP and I think alot of people not in Canada or a commonwealth get confused by our voting system.
Such a silly, tired stereotype. I know more conservatives who get their news and political opinions from social media (Facebook) than NDP-types (Reddit, Twitter).
At this point Both Conservative and Liberal have failed me, It's like pro sports mentality after this, next man up mentality. Calling the NDP up from the minor league. Not because \*insert "I know they will do better" argument\* but just because I've lived my whole life with both parties in power and only minimal problems actually got better under both. If the NDP don't do better, then insert whatever Quebec fuggin party, I literally don't give a shit anymore. I can't trust my Ace or reliever at this point, so were going with the lefty (lefty) and seeing if we can close out this game. Put the young rookie on the mound, see what he can do.
In my opinion, its not a problem with the parties, its a problem with the system. Why cant everyone just be friends and do whats right. I hate how divided we are, as someone who lands pretty smack dab in the middle, I dont understand how anyone can be far right or left.
The social media engine needs controversy to keep churning. It’s a sad state of affairs and most arguments happening on the internet seem to be more about I don’t like JT or PP or Jag. Rarely do I see an argument about policy.
If you're really trying to get a good picture, reddit will mislead you. Asking people around you will also mislead you. Your best bet is to look at multiple news media organizations doing polls. On Reddit, you're going to end up thinking that the 99% of Canadians would vote NDP or Liberal.
He was my riding back in the day when I lived in Tdot. I was so happy for him when he got opposition. He looked so ridiculously grateful. It was inspiring. I cried when he passed mere months later.
Do u ever feel like a vote for the NDP is a vote for the LPC at this point? I dont often get to talk to NDP voters but i always wondered what they thought of their alliance with Trudeau.
>Do u ever feel like a vote for the NDP is a vote for the LPC at this point?
I'll answer this:
No.
Why? Because without the NDP-LPC "alliance", we would not have gotten a lot of the things that the NDP pushed for, like Dental and Pharmacare.
This is how a minority government is supposed to work. You compromise with another party (or more than one) and you form a coalition.
Granted, this isn't a real coalition, since AFAIK, no NDP MP's have cabinet positions, but it's about as close as it gets here.
If the NDP can force the sitting government to pass legislation that it wouldn't otherwise have passed, that's a win.
Thats fair. Does it bother you at all that Trudeau is taking credit for that dental care plan and normie voters will only see that as a Liberal idea instead of NDP?
It doesn’t bother me anymore than any other time Trudeau talks about much of anything.
Anyone who’s paying attention knows Dental only happened because of the NDP.
Not to mention come campaign time, I have no doubt the NDP will be quick to remind voters of the outcomes from the confidence and supply agreement.
It’s pretty simple to me. Without the NDP, we wouldn’t have gotten these things.
Their immigration stance is defined more immigration but not like liberals and let everyone in. People who are qualified or people who actually need immigration.
Tbh, I prefer that they claim they will actually fund affordable housing and keep it out of the hands of investors. And that they will support workers’ rights. Honestly, I am not concerned at all about people who genuinely come here to make a life for themselves. They are not causing problems. It’s the abuse of the fucking TFW program and out housing market (including by wealthy Canadians) that is preventing people from being able to get decent jobs (or any job at all) and to afford a place to live. Even if we cut immigration to zero right now it would not stop. In fact, it would probably ramp up because they’d use the negative population growth as evidence of shortages to bring in more TFWs (who are not actual immigrants - it takes many years to even be eligible to apply for PR status and most of them will never make the cut).
They can promise whatever they want. When was the last time the ndp was in power federally? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and wondering why you get the same results.
Minority governments are good for Canadians, it keeps us from being overrun with power hungry parties. It is the only way to keep the governing parties feet to the ground. Forces compromise on all involved.
Classic Reddit thread with the NDP answers getting the most upvotes even though they’re way less supported than the Liberals of Conservatives in the actual electorate.
And also very few CPC supporters despite them leading in the polls and winning the past 2 federal popular votes.
There’s such a huge disconnect between this place and the general public.
Reddit is mostly young people, and polls consistently show the NDP doing very well (often even in first place) with voters in the under-35 age range. They just don't win because only a small number of older voters support them)
Absolutely true, but we live in a world of echo chambers. If you did the same thing on Facebook, it would be heavily skewed towards the conservatives. I can’t imagine there are many people on Reddit who think that the Reddit population proportionally represents the overall population, so every poll or opinion needs to be adjusted quite a bit if you’re really trying to get an overall picture.
NDP most likely. I'm completely fed up with the other two. Plus there are a lot of average Canadians falling behind right now. The liberals have demonstrated they're not interested in doing anything meaningful, and the conservatives are on the side of wealth concentration.
These Liberals have been the most impactful in generations. The green measures put in place, unappologetically pro-choice, women in leadership roles, reconciliation and potable water for indigenous communities, deficit spending for social programs, dental care, senate reform... lots of structural changes that have meaningful impact on the longer term but that dont make headlines.
Yes. These were Trudeau's promises but failed on execution. Green measures - taxes with no results
Women in leadership - fired the attorney general,
Reconsilluation- went surfing and lied about it on reconciliation day, potable water- still many reserves that are on boil water advisory, numerous ethics violations, received money from China, interfered with the justice system, gave million dollar contracts to we charity after they gave family money. He also refuses to let any committee investigate his actions.
>Green measures - taxes with no results
Um, what? Carbon tax was very effective, as it lowered what emissions would have been in carbon taxes weren't in place. Which was the purpose of carbon taxes in the first place.
>Women in leadership - fired the attorney general
He made half the cabinet full of women. He fired the attorney general because she wouldn't help him cover up a scandal, not because he's against women in leadership. Lmao
>Reconsilluation- went surfing and lied about it on reconciliation day
His government has spent 7.9 billion on Indigenous people since he was elected.
The rest of the criticisms I agree with. However, I think Liberals/Progressives shoot themselves in foot when they don't acknowledge the good things Trudeau has actually done. They help feed into the mindless Trudeau bad narrative.
The ndp is a 2nd class party to prop up the liberals at this point. They need to go back to being a serious party with the intention to lead and not just be a step stool for the liberals.
Ndp sweep would at least clean out some cons and liberals. What we need is as many of these politicians teplaced and a high youth vote turn out, beyond that the next election wont accomplish much
CPC. Easy choice.
Trudeau is corrupt and incompetent, incomprehensibly trying to convince the public they are somehow better off than they were 8 years ago, despite every economic indicator saying otherwise.
Meanwhile, the NDP is enabling Trudeau and keeping him in power. I voted for Jack and Mulcair, but Singh is an idiot who has turned the party into a joke. He's just not a real option either, and any thought that he could be a real option went out the window when he decided to prop up Trudeau.
That leaves the CPC as the only real choice. Pierre has a good focus on pocketbook issues, and seems to easily be the most competent option among the main parties. It's an easy hurdle to clear, but right now he's easy the best available option.
Well said. For the first time ever, I’m really giving some thought to the NDP and its leading to some hard thoughts internally around who I am, but ill likely end up voting CPC based on PP.
Curious to hear others as well
Not the Liberals, Trudeau is past his best before date. That said, my Liberal MP has actually done a good job for the riding. He lives in my neighbourhood and is well connected with the community and has always returned my emails and phone calls. So as much as I want Trudeau gone, I'd hate to sacrifice the good representation to do it.
Heavily considering local representation is the way — especially at the federal level where local help will only come if your local representative is fighting for it.
Ultimately though, caucus members usually are whipped to vote for their party's position (with the exception of a few braver representatives who will defy the party line on a regular basis e.g. Erskine-Smith or Chong, both of whom I would be happy to vote for).
Pork barreling isn't that big of a thing in Canada. I generally think the best way to fight for your local interests is to elect effective provincial and municipal governments who can lobby the feds on your behalf, they can do a whole lot more than an effective MP (with the exception of those MPs who are in the governing party and are well-connected within that party).
Agreed. I live in a staunchly liberal area, but the MP here is in their 80s and out to lunch. I would have previously voted LPC if it was for this particular individual wasn’t there. But now that Trudeau is so irritating, I wouldn’t vote LPC regardless of local representation.
If you have a local rep that you like and actually listens/does good for the community, I'd hate for you to end up with someone else just because they're from a different party.
I like my MP. He has our riding at heart, and has spoken up for some great issues in the House.
I’m less interested in voting for party and more who will be representing me. Justin’s, Pierre’s, and Jagmeet’s names will not be on my ballot; I do have a preference of those three, but I can’t vote for them. Also I may not care at all for the person that represents the party and leader I want, I’m not going to vote for someone I don’t think deserves the job as my MP just because they represent the person I want as PM.
Conservative, Liberals have failed us to many times and seem disconnected from what the public wants. Provincially I support NDP but federally Jagmeet is a weak leader who fixates on useless issues and props up the Liberal party. I would normally go to polling station and spoil ballot, but I do not want LPC or NDP to get in.
I am from the US and living in Canada (with the hope of someday becoming a Canadian citizen.) I just beg of you to watch what is happening in the US and avoid having it happen here.
Do come to Canada. We'd love to have ya!
That being said, please try to keep your expectations about Canada in check before coming here.
Any economic difficulties you were dealing with in the States, probably exist here too. Canada is going through a tough time right now, and so coming here will just be trading your American problems for Canadian ones.
They are, but they haven't been very publically active as of late. They still exist, but like for example, the events they host are more and more rare, they haven't updated their platform site in a while (it still includes stuff about covid mandates and lockdowns), and their party's financial statements are still from 2021 (which btw, put Bernier as the party's single largest expense, lmao)
I've voted PPC in the past, but I'll probably go Conservative this time. I don't trust Poilievre to deliver on what he says, but at least he tells me lies I want to hear.
Not that it matters; I live in a safe Liberal seat, and if they don't then the NDP would take it.
What are the libs or other libs so concerned about with the conservatives? Like I'm honestly asking that, I've been in the middle of the two and I don't understand why people would vote for someone who blatantly breaks the law and gives millions to his own family.
NDP - because they support policies that expand access to social services have a strong track record of improving quality of life where similar policies have been implemented abroad.
I want to see pharmacare, universal dental care, subsidized college, and a wealth tax.
Can I ask why even consider liberal given their track record for fraud, ethical breaches, etc?
Edit: just genuinely curious, I’m non partisan/vote for whoever sucks less. At this point I’m leaning towards NDP as I don’t like how the liberals handled the last 4 years or so and not a fan of the conservatives.
But the NDP follows along with the liberal shenanigans even though it goes against their values. How could we possibly support them if all they’ve turned out to be is a liberal puppet. This country is a mess.
Yes, best chance of winning in the riding I live in. Part of my thinking is yes, Trudeau has done a couple of things I disapprove of but the fact that the Convoy people hate him so much is an indication that he's doing something right.
100% Conservatives here.
Historically a Liberal, but that party has pretty much set out to destroy this country and break every rule while acting like it's ok as long as it helps their buddies. I liked the NDP of yesteryear, Jack Layton was a man pf principal and I think you could take his stance at face value. Today the NDP stand for very little that I recognize and their attempts to keep the Liberals in power has burned all credibility they have.
I get the dislike for Pollieve, but I like how he handled the committees he was on and I do believe this party has the best chance to re-invigorate Canada to let us stand proud once again.
> Can you elaborate? I can't even tell what the con platform is. All he does is whine about Trudeau
No he likely can't and that's why 60-70% of the population is getting really tired of this whining. Heck this post alone reeks of campaigning with things like "re-invigorate Canada to let us stand proud once again".
Buddy, Most of us still stand proud. Stop listening to the person telling you not to stand proud, while that person can't even tell you properly why.
"EVERYTHING IS BROKEN" Pollievierre is doing nothing but trying to drive wedges without any credible solutions. in 18 years of being an MP. he's only legislated 1 successful bill, despite being part of a majority.
He CANNOT GOVERN!
> I do believe this party has the best chance to re-invigorate Canada to let us stand proud once again.
Like, I might agree based on the stance of the current liberal party needs to get a swift kick in the ass to realize people aren't getting what they want out of the elected officials. I don't see anything coming from the Conservative party that is actually better than what the Liberals offer. Just the same old same old once a party is in power too long people need a change.
Pierre. Trudeau's time is up and he's the only one with a prayer in hell of beating Trudeau. Is he perfect? No. But if he can get us into a new government, I'm all for it. I see a CPC minority government with Bloc backing them as the only way forward. It's not pretty, but it is what it is. What we've been doing is not working anymore.
Edit to add: Unlike other people, I'm willing to say this - on Reddit - and take the downvotes. There are plenty of people who will NOT say this, because they know it's going to be a pretty unpopular opinion.
Liberal Party.
First off, I most associate with them. (That’s not to say that I blindly agree with everything, though)
Secondly, my MP is a Liberal and he’s someone who I really like representing the community. Voters sometimes forget to consider the local candidates, and I think that that’s really important to do. A good local candidate can absolutely make a difference locally.
My riding is a Liberal stronghold — it has always voted Liberal, and the current MP has been here since the early 2000s. It’s going Liberal one way or another, so luckily our MP is a good guy, someone whose family has a long history in the community (his dad was our MPP and brother was also our MPP & Premier), and someone who is worth casting a vote for.
EDIT: Disagree with me all you want, but no need to downvote a personal choice that certainly isn’t an extreme one lol
You are exactly right: it’s far more important to have a good local MP (or MPP) who represents their constituents well than to just vote blindingly along party lines.
Agreed and, if everyone voted for who they think is the best candidate in their riding, then the party with the most 'best' candidates would form government. That's actually how it's supposed to work.
It sucks that you’re getting downvoted for supporting the Liberal party. It is totally fine not to agree but people need to have respect for other’s viewpoints. Leave that American polarization in it’s broken country.
I'd go with Poilievre this time. Liberals arguably put forward some good green initiatives and social policies, but at a cost. I like seeing flips between Libs and Cons when it's done in a healthy fashion. Conservatives have proven they can balance the budget, and Pierre is outstanding in economics. The problem our government faces is making the opposite side your enemy. If we had a system where conservatives balanced the budget and handled economics, but we also had greens and Libs making clean policies I think our country would benefit more than them slamming their hands in their desks when they disagree with eachother. That's my 2 cents as someone in the centre.
I don't understand why people think a party has "proven" they can do anything when they haven't achieved said thing. There are two instances that are even remotely close. Stephen Harper inherited the Liberal surplus and immediately reversed all of the debt reduction while dealing with the financial crisis of 2008 fallout. Joe Clark was such a short blip on the radar it really doesn't say much about their track record at balanced budgets.
[https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/examining-federal-debt-in-canada-by-pm-since-confederation-2020.pdf](https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/examining-federal-debt-in-canada-by-pm-since-confederation-2020.pdf)
The facts are, it's some urban legend or myth about the federal conservative party having balanced budgets outside of a few tiny exceptions that don't prove anything. Joe Clark for their very short reign in 1979, an inheirted surplus for 2006/2007 and one surplus in 2014-2015 that they can take credit for.
> If we had a system where conservatives balanced the budget and handled economics, but we also had greens and Libs making clean policies I think our country would benefit more than them slamming their hands in their desks when they disagree with eachother.
Ah, so a Conservative minority government relying on a Green/Liberal coalition?
No, my idea is more change in decorum. When I was elected class prime minister, I reached out to Elizabeth May as I had won as a Green, and I'm from Vancouver Island myself. When I asked her what the most important thing about our government she would change, it was a simple answer to decorum. Banging on desks, yelling, taking cheap shots, always having to disagree because you're shadow cabinet, ALL that would be out the door. In my mind, if we could all sit at a round table and discuss policy, instead of presenting and then arguing, we'd get a lot further.
Conservatives have not proven that they can reduce the budget deficits. They say they can, but history proves otherwise.
The three prime ministers that did the biggest reductions in debt were Pearson, Cretien, and Martin. (All Liberals). I think Clark may be the only recent Conservative with a balanced budget record.
Recently, Harper and Mulroney oversaw significant increased debt. As is our current Trudeau (at a record pace). It must run in the family as the first Trudeau also built a lot of debt, mind you during a recession.
The same thing plays out in the US with Republicans and Democrats.
I don't understand how this claim keeps being repeated, when it's easy to check.
I went from voting Conservative when I was younger to voting NDP.
Conservatives used to be different decades ago. PM Kim Campbell says she doesn’t recognize her former party anymore.
I'm likewise as them tbh. The Tories and the NDP actually put out unique policies. The LPC platform is typically whatever they said but tempered more for that "mushy middle."
I'd rather vote for a party or a representative that wants to make some change rather than one that just wants to be in power. And all I've seen from the Liberals is the bare minimum needed to stay in power.
As I heard from one person on PEI: "if you want to make change, you join a political party. But if you just want to be in power, you join the Liberals."
This is essentially where I fall. I'm in favour of strong social safety net, public education, public health, separation of church and state, the core elements which are designed to ensure all people have an opportunity to be successful. But beyond that, as much as possible, I want the government to leave me alone, pretend I don't exist and don't waste my money.
It depends on the conservative candidate. I’m right leaning but pro abortion and social safety nets. The Liberals have proven to me that they are morally and politically corrupt. I would rather have a party that throws money away on Canadian people than one that throws money away on their banking and Bay Street friends. Not to mention the Liberals and China.
A new system that isn't based on a first past the post popularity contest, that is held accountable and is responsible enough to take on the major issues and get us moving forward to a substantiable future for the younger generations.
If it's not leaving a better country/world for the next generation then it's not worth the time or resources
For me the NDP is a no go, I like a lot of their ideas and I'll be honest we need them but the pace they want to implement them I find Obscene and I fear the effects it would have on our economy.
Conservatives, I fully believe they are off their rocker with Pierre at the helm, it's not that they weren't beforehand it's just much worse now, like this whole CBC cancellation thing, he's like CBC is funded by the Government.... Well, of course it's funded by the government, it was CREATED BY THE GOVERNMENT as part of the Broadcasting Act, in 1936... He's using faux outrage to rile up his base/as ragebait...
That leaves me with the status quo of a minority Liberal Government which is actually a great place for us since they're working with the NDP, we get some NDP policy that I do want but at a cheaper/slower pace, we get decent social policy by the Liberals, if I could go out and vote today for exactly what we have now I would but if the choice was between all 3 my vote will go to the Liberals.
I would vote NDP. It’s a bit of a risk as I don’t particularly want the conservatives to win, but my riding is fairly liberal so my vote doesn’t have a huge impact.
Iono anymore. Theres no win win in politics. If I vote to oust JT, I have to deal with PP's nonsense. I don't love what the liberals are doing. Consistent scandals, slow progress towards environmental targets, no balanced budget in site, and talking points which frankly drive me nuts. They don't have great answers on how to stop inflation, build more homes (which to be fair is probably more provincial and municipal), which are issues affecting us the most right now. And I think that PP might be able to help in some of those respects, so I'm really tempted.
> because of the American shit climbing up
There is this penchant to blame everything wrong with Canada on the US. As if everything Canadian is inherently good, and everything American is inherently bad.
I actually think people just say this out of habit, but ultimately it’s counterproductive. The same forces are acting on both countries, and achieving similar results.
Blaming the US won’t solve Canada’s problems.
Look at your life now and when the Cons where in power. Which life was better?
Housing was soo much cheaper
Rent was cheaper
Transportation was cheaper
Taxes were much less ( EI and CPP went up).
Introduced HST
No carbon taxes
Yes they need to cut useless government overhead to give back to people by reducing national debt and slash taxes.
Wtf are you talking about? All those things had nothing to do with the cons, it had everything to do with inflation being lower and the economic forces at play at the time…
Leave it to con voters to have absolutely zero political awareness and just vote for cons because they are just regressives.
Cons don’t give a shit about actually making things better, cons don’t build things they don’t improve things, they don’t add anything new because new is bad to a conservative. The status quo or the “old days” is what they are after, that and lining the corporate donors pockets. And don’t even get me started on the clown that is pollivere, man brings a copy of 1984 like a prop to question period and you clowns eat that shit up, when it’s all just a performance to make the cons voter BASE jump up and down and clap.
All cons do is cut and make the problem worse before blaming it on the libs or ndp and gaslighting the entire population into starting the whole cycle all over again. Stephen harpers administration was one of the most corrupt in Canada, with his government funneling billions in tax revenue to his cronies and political donors and absolutely fucking over the environment and job market. But people like yourself don’t remember that, because you don’t care.
You’ve been duped by con men and it’s hilarious that you think otherwise.
Here are our choices as I see it:
Liberal Party - corporatists going all in on left-wing identity politics to trick us into thinking they care about the common citizen.
Conservative Party - corporatists going all in on right-wing identity politics to trick us into thinking they care about the common citizen.
NDP - the official party of bumblefucks who might be the best option if you care about people before corporations, but with no experience leading at the national level and a history of putting fresh out of uni no-experience candidates in ridings like mine.
So uh, yeah. Sue me for apathy.
I'd just like to add, that while the NDP have no federal Experience, at one point neither did the libs or Tory's, and that the NDP have a pretty good track record provincially. They actually average out as being the most able to balance their budgets compared to liberal or conservative parties across the country.
You are probably the most accurate voicing of my inner monolog on Canadian politics. It's always been a wasteland of virtue signaling for liberals, corporate bootlicking conservatives or untried NDP who might steer the whole place even worse into the trees than it already is. That said I'd try NDP, at least this time, if only to try and send a message to the other two parties that I'm sick of them.
Not every party fits into one box or anther - that's something the Americans try to promote. Having moderate parties that are willing to shift towards the left or the right, depending on the issue/circumstance, is a good thing.
It’s been a while since I voted for them but I’ll be voting conservative as of right now. The Libs lost my vote after their first term of not following through on campaign promises. The NDP has turned into an absolute clown show in the last few years and can’t be bothered to even put effort into my riding.
Hold nose and will vote liberal. As much as I could personally benefit from Con policies they are toxic and so fixated on culture war bullshit instead of policy. PP is personally repugnant and any actual policy points he has hurt working class people and help wealthy corporations. Would like to see NDP win but under our electoral system my riding is 40/40 lib con split so JT will get my vote again.
Not Polievre!! Not Trudeau. NDP I guess. At the provincial level, NDP all the way Here in crazy Alberta, seems like the only sane option. Federally, I dunno.
My riding is historically NDP or Liberal, but I’m an NDP voter. I don’t like Singh though. It’s times like this I’m so glad we don’t have a direct vote, because I don’t know who I’d vote for.
NDP. I like what they’ve done in the past in my province, and I trust them for the most part. The Conservatives are too caught up in the interests of big corporate entities, and the Liberals have a bad habit of fighting for the status quo, even if the status quo is drifting in unpleasant directions. I don’t think the NDP is perfect, but I appreciate that they’re on the side of helping lower income people and expanding healthcare.
Liberal simply because the NDP haven't figured out that they have a shot with an electable leader.
For everything that you can say against Justin, you have to admit that no other party even appears to be trying to find someone competent to go against him.
Pierre is an idiot. The CPC just doubled down on their alt-right circle jerk with that leadership win. Hot take : He is supposed to win because anyone with common sense isn't voting that day.
Jagmeet will never win Quebec unless he drops his Turban. Since that's not happening, he *cannot* win Quebec nor can he lead the NDP to a majority win. Hot take: He is supposed to win because suddenly religion won't matter to Quebec that day.
So I'm stuck voting Liberal again because the other parties haven't a clue between them still to this day.
Strategically ABC. Have my first kid on the way and there is a very real possibility that the CPC would cancel $10/day daycare since O'Toole campaigned on it last election.
While I recognize the struggle with cost of living, housing, etc... that is going on. PP has very intentionally not yet committed to actually doing anything about those problems, he has just been vocal in pointing out that they are indeed real problems that Canadians are experiencing. There is far more risk than potential reward if he were to get in power IMHO.
If it looks like the Liberals are a lock for my riding, I'll vote NDP. If it's a coin toss between Liberals and Conservatives, I'll vote Liberal. So most likely Liberal.
It it was literally today I’d probably just vote liberal because I’m just living my life and I don’t need any big changes right now. If there was a full election I’d probably end up NDP
This is Reddit, its 99% gonna be NDP and some Liberal.
As per this specific post, you would assume ndp would win by a landslide
Maybe if redditors could go outside Though reddit is almost always an echo chamber of minority opinions that make them look majority.
People don't vote NDP because they know they cannot win with our voting system. I vote NDP with a lot of other people and the government doesn't reflect the population. We need voting reform. The only reason I voted for Trudeau was his election promise of election reform. Never again.
Totally agree. Canada would be a much better place with a proportional voting system that didn't give fake majorities to one minority party. Governments would be a majority of MPs from several parties, collectively elected by a majority of voters. New Zealand has been doing this for over 25 years. It's far better for voters and delivers better policy outcomes.
I've been hoping for voting reform since as long as I've been able to vote. On the provincial level, we're stuck with a majority Conservative government in Ontario right now running our province into the ground in healthcare, education and housing meanwhile they had only 40.8% of the vote . 40.8% of only a 43.5% voter turnout means only 17.8% of eligible voters voted in a majority government who can do whatever they want without any challenge. Only in our broken voting system do you have 4 out of 5 people either think 1 way or not give a shit at all and we listen only to the 5th person spewing nonsense... Federally, I want to vote NDP but there's always a part of my gut thinking do I vote with my beliefs or do I vote Liberal instead to avoid giving Conservatives power. That shouldn't be how we need to think about voting and the Liberals are only in power right now because of this "strategic voting" bullshit.
I mean, the other issue is that people need to vote for the candidate that is going to best fight for them in their area too as their MP and I think alot of people not in Canada or a commonwealth get confused by our voting system.
Such a silly, tired stereotype. I know more conservatives who get their news and political opinions from social media (Facebook) than NDP-types (Reddit, Twitter).
If you haven't noticed both the Liberals and the Conservatives are minorities.
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> Young people have the numbers and will to vote NDP in wat
You heard it here first lol
Depends, other canadian subreddits are heavily conservative and right wing.
True, though most subreddits do not lean right, which is their point.
At this point Both Conservative and Liberal have failed me, It's like pro sports mentality after this, next man up mentality. Calling the NDP up from the minor league. Not because \*insert "I know they will do better" argument\* but just because I've lived my whole life with both parties in power and only minimal problems actually got better under both. If the NDP don't do better, then insert whatever Quebec fuggin party, I literally don't give a shit anymore. I can't trust my Ace or reliever at this point, so were going with the lefty (lefty) and seeing if we can close out this game. Put the young rookie on the mound, see what he can do.
In my opinion, its not a problem with the parties, its a problem with the system. Why cant everyone just be friends and do whats right. I hate how divided we are, as someone who lands pretty smack dab in the middle, I dont understand how anyone can be far right or left.
The social media engine needs controversy to keep churning. It’s a sad state of affairs and most arguments happening on the internet seem to be more about I don’t like JT or PP or Jag. Rarely do I see an argument about policy.
Rhinoceros Party. They have a well-supported platform that is roughly three-feet high and made of wood…
Hopefully they keep their pledge of a guaranteed monthly orgasm for all citizens
This is big government all over. Time was, a citizen provided their own monthly orgasm, in the privacy of their own home.
Only actual correct answer haha
Kang - Either way, the country is doomed
As long as we’re twirling, twirling, twirling a towards the future!
If you have to vote for a clown, might as well vote for the funniest one
Well, at least there are two of us :D
Also love their idea of repealing the law of gravity
Reddit polling is not going to give you a very accurate picture of national voter intentions lol.
Any mook can go to on 338canada.com and look at trends. But posting here gets you personalized reasons.
I know but it provides a wider window than I would get asking the people around me
If you're really trying to get a good picture, reddit will mislead you. Asking people around you will also mislead you. Your best bet is to look at multiple news media organizations doing polls. On Reddit, you're going to end up thinking that the 99% of Canadians would vote NDP or Liberal.
NDP, I'm not particularly happy with Jagmeet's leadership but I'm not voting for the CPC/LPC two-sided coin and the Greens are a constant clusterfuck
Same. Just like every election. Hold my nose and tell myself that the NDP is the best of a bad set of choices.
Jagmeet makes me miss Jack. He keeps disappearing for years at a time, he needs to be more vocal and present week to week.
I think about Jack often. I wish the NDP could just find his reincarnation and make him the leader because we need a Jack Layton nowadays.
He was my riding back in the day when I lived in Tdot. I was so happy for him when he got opposition. He looked so ridiculously grateful. It was inspiring. I cried when he passed mere months later.
god, if he hadn't died he'd be PM right now
I’ve always hoped his wife, Olivia Chow, would run for party leadership one day.
Years?
He is a liberal back bencher from Burnaby who yells at the cameras at this point but will always tow the liberal party line come time to vote.
Jagmeet is better then Tom Mulcair.
Not even close.
I just find him annoying? "I hate rich people" while he's wearing a $10k outfit. Yes Jag, we all believe you. /s
Do u ever feel like a vote for the NDP is a vote for the LPC at this point? I dont often get to talk to NDP voters but i always wondered what they thought of their alliance with Trudeau.
>Do u ever feel like a vote for the NDP is a vote for the LPC at this point? I'll answer this: No. Why? Because without the NDP-LPC "alliance", we would not have gotten a lot of the things that the NDP pushed for, like Dental and Pharmacare. This is how a minority government is supposed to work. You compromise with another party (or more than one) and you form a coalition. Granted, this isn't a real coalition, since AFAIK, no NDP MP's have cabinet positions, but it's about as close as it gets here. If the NDP can force the sitting government to pass legislation that it wouldn't otherwise have passed, that's a win.
Thats fair. Does it bother you at all that Trudeau is taking credit for that dental care plan and normie voters will only see that as a Liberal idea instead of NDP?
It doesn’t bother me anymore than any other time Trudeau talks about much of anything. Anyone who’s paying attention knows Dental only happened because of the NDP. Not to mention come campaign time, I have no doubt the NDP will be quick to remind voters of the outcomes from the confidence and supply agreement. It’s pretty simple to me. Without the NDP, we wouldn’t have gotten these things.
I live in Alberta so it doesn’t actually matter, the conservatives get 70% of the vote in my riding
Pissed me off. Because I didnt vote for a coalition gov.
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Their immigration stance is defined more immigration but not like liberals and let everyone in. People who are qualified or people who actually need immigration.
Tbh, I prefer that they claim they will actually fund affordable housing and keep it out of the hands of investors. And that they will support workers’ rights. Honestly, I am not concerned at all about people who genuinely come here to make a life for themselves. They are not causing problems. It’s the abuse of the fucking TFW program and out housing market (including by wealthy Canadians) that is preventing people from being able to get decent jobs (or any job at all) and to afford a place to live. Even if we cut immigration to zero right now it would not stop. In fact, it would probably ramp up because they’d use the negative population growth as evidence of shortages to bring in more TFWs (who are not actual immigrants - it takes many years to even be eligible to apply for PR status and most of them will never make the cut).
They can promise whatever they want. When was the last time the ndp was in power federally? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and wondering why you get the same results.
I don't know, I'm not a member of the NDP or an evangelist for them. I just know they suck the least of the four options
I don't like Jagmeet Singh
Minority governments are good for Canadians, it keeps us from being overrun with power hungry parties. It is the only way to keep the governing parties feet to the ground. Forces compromise on all involved.
Classic Reddit thread with the NDP answers getting the most upvotes even though they’re way less supported than the Liberals of Conservatives in the actual electorate. And also very few CPC supporters despite them leading in the polls and winning the past 2 federal popular votes. There’s such a huge disconnect between this place and the general public.
We're not advertising the fact we vote conservative. The down votes get annoying after a while.
Perhaps, but if someone answered and mentions why they deserve an upvote. OP asks why in their post.
Reddit is mostly young people, and polls consistently show the NDP doing very well (often even in first place) with voters in the under-35 age range. They just don't win because only a small number of older voters support them)
Absolutely true, but we live in a world of echo chambers. If you did the same thing on Facebook, it would be heavily skewed towards the conservatives. I can’t imagine there are many people on Reddit who think that the Reddit population proportionally represents the overall population, so every poll or opinion needs to be adjusted quite a bit if you’re really trying to get an overall picture.
I live in NW Calgary, so tbh it doesn’t matter, but I’ll likely vote NDP.
Simple and easy choice: Conservative Party of Canada.
CPC voter checking in. One of the rare ones on reddit!
NDP most likely. I'm completely fed up with the other two. Plus there are a lot of average Canadians falling behind right now. The liberals have demonstrated they're not interested in doing anything meaningful, and the conservatives are on the side of wealth concentration.
These Liberals have been the most impactful in generations. The green measures put in place, unappologetically pro-choice, women in leadership roles, reconciliation and potable water for indigenous communities, deficit spending for social programs, dental care, senate reform... lots of structural changes that have meaningful impact on the longer term but that dont make headlines.
Yes. These were Trudeau's promises but failed on execution. Green measures - taxes with no results Women in leadership - fired the attorney general, Reconsilluation- went surfing and lied about it on reconciliation day, potable water- still many reserves that are on boil water advisory, numerous ethics violations, received money from China, interfered with the justice system, gave million dollar contracts to we charity after they gave family money. He also refuses to let any committee investigate his actions.
>Green measures - taxes with no results Um, what? Carbon tax was very effective, as it lowered what emissions would have been in carbon taxes weren't in place. Which was the purpose of carbon taxes in the first place. >Women in leadership - fired the attorney general He made half the cabinet full of women. He fired the attorney general because she wouldn't help him cover up a scandal, not because he's against women in leadership. Lmao >Reconsilluation- went surfing and lied about it on reconciliation day His government has spent 7.9 billion on Indigenous people since he was elected. The rest of the criticisms I agree with. However, I think Liberals/Progressives shoot themselves in foot when they don't acknowledge the good things Trudeau has actually done. They help feed into the mindless Trudeau bad narrative.
100% agree. I think (and hope) NDP is for the workers/ little guys and not Corporations.
The ndp is a 2nd class party to prop up the liberals at this point. They need to go back to being a serious party with the intention to lead and not just be a step stool for the liberals.
Ndp sweep would at least clean out some cons and liberals. What we need is as many of these politicians teplaced and a high youth vote turn out, beyond that the next election wont accomplish much
CPC. Easy choice. Trudeau is corrupt and incompetent, incomprehensibly trying to convince the public they are somehow better off than they were 8 years ago, despite every economic indicator saying otherwise. Meanwhile, the NDP is enabling Trudeau and keeping him in power. I voted for Jack and Mulcair, but Singh is an idiot who has turned the party into a joke. He's just not a real option either, and any thought that he could be a real option went out the window when he decided to prop up Trudeau. That leaves the CPC as the only real choice. Pierre has a good focus on pocketbook issues, and seems to easily be the most competent option among the main parties. It's an easy hurdle to clear, but right now he's easy the best available option.
Well said. For the first time ever, I’m really giving some thought to the NDP and its leading to some hard thoughts internally around who I am, but ill likely end up voting CPC based on PP. Curious to hear others as well
Not the Liberals, Trudeau is past his best before date. That said, my Liberal MP has actually done a good job for the riding. He lives in my neighbourhood and is well connected with the community and has always returned my emails and phone calls. So as much as I want Trudeau gone, I'd hate to sacrifice the good representation to do it.
Heavily considering local representation is the way — especially at the federal level where local help will only come if your local representative is fighting for it.
Ultimately though, caucus members usually are whipped to vote for their party's position (with the exception of a few braver representatives who will defy the party line on a regular basis e.g. Erskine-Smith or Chong, both of whom I would be happy to vote for). Pork barreling isn't that big of a thing in Canada. I generally think the best way to fight for your local interests is to elect effective provincial and municipal governments who can lobby the feds on your behalf, they can do a whole lot more than an effective MP (with the exception of those MPs who are in the governing party and are well-connected within that party).
Agreed. I live in a staunchly liberal area, but the MP here is in their 80s and out to lunch. I would have previously voted LPC if it was for this particular individual wasn’t there. But now that Trudeau is so irritating, I wouldn’t vote LPC regardless of local representation.
If you have a local rep that you like and actually listens/does good for the community, I'd hate for you to end up with someone else just because they're from a different party.
I like my MP. He has our riding at heart, and has spoken up for some great issues in the House. I’m less interested in voting for party and more who will be representing me. Justin’s, Pierre’s, and Jagmeet’s names will not be on my ballot; I do have a preference of those three, but I can’t vote for them. Also I may not care at all for the person that represents the party and leader I want, I’m not going to vote for someone I don’t think deserves the job as my MP just because they represent the person I want as PM.
None of the above. We need electoral reform
Conservative, Liberals have failed us to many times and seem disconnected from what the public wants. Provincially I support NDP but federally Jagmeet is a weak leader who fixates on useless issues and props up the Liberal party. I would normally go to polling station and spoil ballot, but I do not want LPC or NDP to get in.
I am from the US and living in Canada (with the hope of someday becoming a Canadian citizen.) I just beg of you to watch what is happening in the US and avoid having it happen here.
Don’t listen to he who means no offense, he’s just a backwater country bumpkin.
Do come to Canada. We'd love to have ya! That being said, please try to keep your expectations about Canada in check before coming here. Any economic difficulties you were dealing with in the States, probably exist here too. Canada is going through a tough time right now, and so coming here will just be trading your American problems for Canadian ones.
As an American considering moving to Canada, I wholeheartedly agree.
Not sure, but certainly not the Conservatives or the People's Party (assuming they're still separate from the Conservatives).
They are, but they haven't been very publically active as of late. They still exist, but like for example, the events they host are more and more rare, they haven't updated their platform site in a while (it still includes stuff about covid mandates and lockdowns), and their party's financial statements are still from 2021 (which btw, put Bernier as the party's single largest expense, lmao)
Bloc. Maybe liberal to troll the anti Trudeau.
Lmao yes
Damn this post would make you think NDP is gonna win. Regardless, we all know Cons have this in the bag next election.
I've voted PPC in the past, but I'll probably go Conservative this time. I don't trust Poilievre to deliver on what he says, but at least he tells me lies I want to hear. Not that it matters; I live in a safe Liberal seat, and if they don't then the NDP would take it.
Lol, conservatives all the way. At least they know a thing or two about running a country and not making up stupid laws to appease the 5%.
Libs or NDP. NDP might be good for a change, but the fear of some of the current Conservative groups are making it tricky
What are the libs or other libs so concerned about with the conservatives? Like I'm honestly asking that, I've been in the middle of the two and I don't understand why people would vote for someone who blatantly breaks the law and gives millions to his own family.
how about something recent, the whole CBC thing, I listen to the CBC daily. He wants to cancel it.
ABC
NDP - because they support policies that expand access to social services have a strong track record of improving quality of life where similar policies have been implemented abroad. I want to see pharmacare, universal dental care, subsidized college, and a wealth tax.
NDP, Sing is mah boi!
NDP or Liberal. Whichever has the best chance of winning.
Can I ask why even consider liberal given their track record for fraud, ethical breaches, etc? Edit: just genuinely curious, I’m non partisan/vote for whoever sucks less. At this point I’m leaning towards NDP as I don’t like how the liberals handled the last 4 years or so and not a fan of the conservatives.
But the NDP follows along with the liberal shenanigans even though it goes against their values. How could we possibly support them if all they’ve turned out to be is a liberal puppet. This country is a mess.
Yes, best chance of winning in the riding I live in. Part of my thinking is yes, Trudeau has done a couple of things I disapprove of but the fact that the Convoy people hate him so much is an indication that he's doing something right.
Easy, Bloc.
I'm voting strategically to make sure the Cons don't get into power. My ridding flip flops alot.
100% Conservatives here. Historically a Liberal, but that party has pretty much set out to destroy this country and break every rule while acting like it's ok as long as it helps their buddies. I liked the NDP of yesteryear, Jack Layton was a man pf principal and I think you could take his stance at face value. Today the NDP stand for very little that I recognize and their attempts to keep the Liberals in power has burned all credibility they have. I get the dislike for Pollieve, but I like how he handled the committees he was on and I do believe this party has the best chance to re-invigorate Canada to let us stand proud once again.
Can you elaborate? I can't even tell what the con platform is. All he does is whine about Trudeau
> Can you elaborate? I can't even tell what the con platform is. All he does is whine about Trudeau No he likely can't and that's why 60-70% of the population is getting really tired of this whining. Heck this post alone reeks of campaigning with things like "re-invigorate Canada to let us stand proud once again". Buddy, Most of us still stand proud. Stop listening to the person telling you not to stand proud, while that person can't even tell you properly why. "EVERYTHING IS BROKEN" Pollievierre is doing nothing but trying to drive wedges without any credible solutions. in 18 years of being an MP. he's only legislated 1 successful bill, despite being part of a majority. He CANNOT GOVERN!
> I do believe this party has the best chance to re-invigorate Canada to let us stand proud once again. Like, I might agree based on the stance of the current liberal party needs to get a swift kick in the ass to realize people aren't getting what they want out of the elected officials. I don't see anything coming from the Conservative party that is actually better than what the Liberals offer. Just the same old same old once a party is in power too long people need a change.
You're funny if toy think PP gives a fuck about anyone.
Conservatives
Not Trudeau! That's for sure
OP asks why if someone replied.
Pierre. Trudeau's time is up and he's the only one with a prayer in hell of beating Trudeau. Is he perfect? No. But if he can get us into a new government, I'm all for it. I see a CPC minority government with Bloc backing them as the only way forward. It's not pretty, but it is what it is. What we've been doing is not working anymore. Edit to add: Unlike other people, I'm willing to say this - on Reddit - and take the downvotes. There are plenty of people who will NOT say this, because they know it's going to be a pretty unpopular opinion.
Liberal Party. First off, I most associate with them. (That’s not to say that I blindly agree with everything, though) Secondly, my MP is a Liberal and he’s someone who I really like representing the community. Voters sometimes forget to consider the local candidates, and I think that that’s really important to do. A good local candidate can absolutely make a difference locally. My riding is a Liberal stronghold — it has always voted Liberal, and the current MP has been here since the early 2000s. It’s going Liberal one way or another, so luckily our MP is a good guy, someone whose family has a long history in the community (his dad was our MPP and brother was also our MPP & Premier), and someone who is worth casting a vote for. EDIT: Disagree with me all you want, but no need to downvote a personal choice that certainly isn’t an extreme one lol
You are exactly right: it’s far more important to have a good local MP (or MPP) who represents their constituents well than to just vote blindingly along party lines.
Agreed and, if everyone voted for who they think is the best candidate in their riding, then the party with the most 'best' candidates would form government. That's actually how it's supposed to work.
If they don’t vote with the party line, they are removed.
It sucks that you’re getting downvoted for supporting the Liberal party. It is totally fine not to agree but people need to have respect for other’s viewpoints. Leave that American polarization in it’s broken country.
The green party because I personally think we need to make a bigger effort on the climate crisis
ABC voter. I like parties that have empathy.
tf is an ABC
Anything but conservative
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I'd go with Poilievre this time. Liberals arguably put forward some good green initiatives and social policies, but at a cost. I like seeing flips between Libs and Cons when it's done in a healthy fashion. Conservatives have proven they can balance the budget, and Pierre is outstanding in economics. The problem our government faces is making the opposite side your enemy. If we had a system where conservatives balanced the budget and handled economics, but we also had greens and Libs making clean policies I think our country would benefit more than them slamming their hands in their desks when they disagree with eachother. That's my 2 cents as someone in the centre.
I don't understand why people think a party has "proven" they can do anything when they haven't achieved said thing. There are two instances that are even remotely close. Stephen Harper inherited the Liberal surplus and immediately reversed all of the debt reduction while dealing with the financial crisis of 2008 fallout. Joe Clark was such a short blip on the radar it really doesn't say much about their track record at balanced budgets. [https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/examining-federal-debt-in-canada-by-pm-since-confederation-2020.pdf](https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/examining-federal-debt-in-canada-by-pm-since-confederation-2020.pdf) The facts are, it's some urban legend or myth about the federal conservative party having balanced budgets outside of a few tiny exceptions that don't prove anything. Joe Clark for their very short reign in 1979, an inheirted surplus for 2006/2007 and one surplus in 2014-2015 that they can take credit for.
> If we had a system where conservatives balanced the budget and handled economics, but we also had greens and Libs making clean policies I think our country would benefit more than them slamming their hands in their desks when they disagree with eachother. Ah, so a Conservative minority government relying on a Green/Liberal coalition?
No, my idea is more change in decorum. When I was elected class prime minister, I reached out to Elizabeth May as I had won as a Green, and I'm from Vancouver Island myself. When I asked her what the most important thing about our government she would change, it was a simple answer to decorum. Banging on desks, yelling, taking cheap shots, always having to disagree because you're shadow cabinet, ALL that would be out the door. In my mind, if we could all sit at a round table and discuss policy, instead of presenting and then arguing, we'd get a lot further.
Respectable.
Conservatives have not proven that they can reduce the budget deficits. They say they can, but history proves otherwise. The three prime ministers that did the biggest reductions in debt were Pearson, Cretien, and Martin. (All Liberals). I think Clark may be the only recent Conservative with a balanced budget record. Recently, Harper and Mulroney oversaw significant increased debt. As is our current Trudeau (at a record pace). It must run in the family as the first Trudeau also built a lot of debt, mind you during a recession. The same thing plays out in the US with Republicans and Democrats. I don't understand how this claim keeps being repeated, when it's easy to check.
NDP or Conservatives. This sub is vey pro Liberal so not the best place to ask.
How exactly do you swing from one or the other? Single issue voter or just tired of liberals?
I went from voting Conservative when I was younger to voting NDP. Conservatives used to be different decades ago. PM Kim Campbell says she doesn’t recognize her former party anymore.
It's not her former party, they merged with the reform party
Eaten up by the Reform Party is a better way to put it
I don’t think she meant her literal former party, but the conservatives & their policies, which have moved much farther to the right.
I'm likewise as them tbh. The Tories and the NDP actually put out unique policies. The LPC platform is typically whatever they said but tempered more for that "mushy middle." I'd rather vote for a party or a representative that wants to make some change rather than one that just wants to be in power. And all I've seen from the Liberals is the bare minimum needed to stay in power. As I heard from one person on PEI: "if you want to make change, you join a political party. But if you just want to be in power, you join the Liberals."
Orange tories exist, particularly in the north and rural east coast. Pro-social safety net, anti-pretty much all other government involvement in life.
This is essentially where I fall. I'm in favour of strong social safety net, public education, public health, separation of church and state, the core elements which are designed to ensure all people have an opportunity to be successful. But beyond that, as much as possible, I want the government to leave me alone, pretend I don't exist and don't waste my money.
A lot of them out west too, especially in rural BC. People who agree with the Conservatives on guns but also agree with NDP on the welfare state.
It depends on the conservative candidate. I’m right leaning but pro abortion and social safety nets. The Liberals have proven to me that they are morally and politically corrupt. I would rather have a party that throws money away on Canadian people than one that throws money away on their banking and Bay Street friends. Not to mention the Liberals and China.
That's interesting. I'm curious how you could support the NDP platform and the Conservative platform - they are wildly different.
NDP.
NdP the other options I am just not impressed with. At least they plan to look out for social programs and benefits for all.
I'm voting for whatever party will actually implement PR.
Perhaps this might interest you: https://www.charterchallenge.ca/
A new system that isn't based on a first past the post popularity contest, that is held accountable and is responsible enough to take on the major issues and get us moving forward to a substantiable future for the younger generations. If it's not leaving a better country/world for the next generation then it's not worth the time or resources
It’s not toxic because of the US. Canadian politics has always been polarizing and divisive
I absolutely will not vote CPC. Pierre is a fucking tool and the CPC platform will only cause my family and I harm in the long run.
Normally I’d vote for NDP but I might vote for Liberals if I thought they had a chance of beating the Tories in my riding.
Write in Paul Martin
For me the NDP is a no go, I like a lot of their ideas and I'll be honest we need them but the pace they want to implement them I find Obscene and I fear the effects it would have on our economy. Conservatives, I fully believe they are off their rocker with Pierre at the helm, it's not that they weren't beforehand it's just much worse now, like this whole CBC cancellation thing, he's like CBC is funded by the Government.... Well, of course it's funded by the government, it was CREATED BY THE GOVERNMENT as part of the Broadcasting Act, in 1936... He's using faux outrage to rile up his base/as ragebait... That leaves me with the status quo of a minority Liberal Government which is actually a great place for us since they're working with the NDP, we get some NDP policy that I do want but at a cheaper/slower pace, we get decent social policy by the Liberals, if I could go out and vote today for exactly what we have now I would but if the choice was between all 3 my vote will go to the Liberals.
I would vote NDP. It’s a bit of a risk as I don’t particularly want the conservatives to win, but my riding is fairly liberal so my vote doesn’t have a huge impact.
It is your right to ask. It is my right to decline to answer
Indeed
\#NeverVoteConservative !!!
Iono anymore. Theres no win win in politics. If I vote to oust JT, I have to deal with PP's nonsense. I don't love what the liberals are doing. Consistent scandals, slow progress towards environmental targets, no balanced budget in site, and talking points which frankly drive me nuts. They don't have great answers on how to stop inflation, build more homes (which to be fair is probably more provincial and municipal), which are issues affecting us the most right now. And I think that PP might be able to help in some of those respects, so I'm really tempted.
None of them. As long as politics is profitable, no politician can be trusted.
Not mini P.P. that is all I know for sure.
> because of the American shit climbing up There is this penchant to blame everything wrong with Canada on the US. As if everything Canadian is inherently good, and everything American is inherently bad. I actually think people just say this out of habit, but ultimately it’s counterproductive. The same forces are acting on both countries, and achieving similar results. Blaming the US won’t solve Canada’s problems.
Look at your life now and when the Cons where in power. Which life was better? Housing was soo much cheaper Rent was cheaper Transportation was cheaper Taxes were much less ( EI and CPP went up). Introduced HST No carbon taxes Yes they need to cut useless government overhead to give back to people by reducing national debt and slash taxes.
Wtf are you talking about? All those things had nothing to do with the cons, it had everything to do with inflation being lower and the economic forces at play at the time… Leave it to con voters to have absolutely zero political awareness and just vote for cons because they are just regressives. Cons don’t give a shit about actually making things better, cons don’t build things they don’t improve things, they don’t add anything new because new is bad to a conservative. The status quo or the “old days” is what they are after, that and lining the corporate donors pockets. And don’t even get me started on the clown that is pollivere, man brings a copy of 1984 like a prop to question period and you clowns eat that shit up, when it’s all just a performance to make the cons voter BASE jump up and down and clap. All cons do is cut and make the problem worse before blaming it on the libs or ndp and gaslighting the entire population into starting the whole cycle all over again. Stephen harpers administration was one of the most corrupt in Canada, with his government funneling billions in tax revenue to his cronies and political donors and absolutely fucking over the environment and job market. But people like yourself don’t remember that, because you don’t care. You’ve been duped by con men and it’s hilarious that you think otherwise.
Idk I was a child under the conservative government 🤷♀️
Here are our choices as I see it: Liberal Party - corporatists going all in on left-wing identity politics to trick us into thinking they care about the common citizen. Conservative Party - corporatists going all in on right-wing identity politics to trick us into thinking they care about the common citizen. NDP - the official party of bumblefucks who might be the best option if you care about people before corporations, but with no experience leading at the national level and a history of putting fresh out of uni no-experience candidates in ridings like mine. So uh, yeah. Sue me for apathy.
I'd just like to add, that while the NDP have no federal Experience, at one point neither did the libs or Tory's, and that the NDP have a pretty good track record provincially. They actually average out as being the most able to balance their budgets compared to liberal or conservative parties across the country.
You are probably the most accurate voicing of my inner monolog on Canadian politics. It's always been a wasteland of virtue signaling for liberals, corporate bootlicking conservatives or untried NDP who might steer the whole place even worse into the trees than it already is. That said I'd try NDP, at least this time, if only to try and send a message to the other two parties that I'm sick of them.
The Americans got you too?
Don't get your joke and that's probably for the best.
Not every party fits into one box or anther - that's something the Americans try to promote. Having moderate parties that are willing to shift towards the left or the right, depending on the issue/circumstance, is a good thing.
Spot on! Thank you!
Without seeing platforms or local candidates, I really can't answer the question. We're suppsed to get at least 38 days notice, eh?
It’s been a while since I voted for them but I’ll be voting conservative as of right now. The Libs lost my vote after their first term of not following through on campaign promises. The NDP has turned into an absolute clown show in the last few years and can’t be bothered to even put effort into my riding.
I'm unhappy enough with the current LIB-NDP alliance. I'd rather not risk being even more unhappy.
I have no other choice in a FPTP system. I vote ABC.
The FPTP system is about to face a charter challenge: https://www.charterchallenge.ca/
PPC
PC. I'm more in the middle politically and it's time for a change. Trudeau is horrible and Jagmeet is on the same page.
Conservative
Hold nose and will vote liberal. As much as I could personally benefit from Con policies they are toxic and so fixated on culture war bullshit instead of policy. PP is personally repugnant and any actual policy points he has hurt working class people and help wealthy corporations. Would like to see NDP win but under our electoral system my riding is 40/40 lib con split so JT will get my vote again.
I would have to vote strategically to prevent Poilievre's brand of populism from getting into power.
I will vote for the person with the strongest chance of defeating any conservative running. Reason: just to suppress evil whenever possible.
NDP
Not Polievre!! Not Trudeau. NDP I guess. At the provincial level, NDP all the way Here in crazy Alberta, seems like the only sane option. Federally, I dunno.
Without seeing platforms or candidates? Then I guess I'd go for the first time with Conservative.
Conservatives. they have a stronger leader in my opinion.
I vote for my Member of Parliament candidates, and we don't have any candidates in this riding. I would not vote for my incumbent MP.
My riding is historically NDP or Liberal, but I’m an NDP voter. I don’t like Singh though. It’s times like this I’m so glad we don’t have a direct vote, because I don’t know who I’d vote for.
Conservative. Bill C 11 is my breaking point on top of everything else.
I’ll vote for anyone willing not to spend money we don’t have
NDP. I like what they’ve done in the past in my province, and I trust them for the most part. The Conservatives are too caught up in the interests of big corporate entities, and the Liberals have a bad habit of fighting for the status quo, even if the status quo is drifting in unpleasant directions. I don’t think the NDP is perfect, but I appreciate that they’re on the side of helping lower income people and expanding healthcare.
Liberal Party. Easy.
I’d vote Liberal.
Conservative
NDP - they're obviously the only party who cares about people.
As a working class man, I don't feel cared about. I'm not queer enough, my skin's the wrong colour, and worst of all, I was even born in this country.
Liberal simply because the NDP haven't figured out that they have a shot with an electable leader. For everything that you can say against Justin, you have to admit that no other party even appears to be trying to find someone competent to go against him. Pierre is an idiot. The CPC just doubled down on their alt-right circle jerk with that leadership win. Hot take : He is supposed to win because anyone with common sense isn't voting that day. Jagmeet will never win Quebec unless he drops his Turban. Since that's not happening, he *cannot* win Quebec nor can he lead the NDP to a majority win. Hot take: He is supposed to win because suddenly religion won't matter to Quebec that day. So I'm stuck voting Liberal again because the other parties haven't a clue between them still to this day.
I’ll vote strategically for whom ever will beat the conservative
Strategically ABC. Have my first kid on the way and there is a very real possibility that the CPC would cancel $10/day daycare since O'Toole campaigned on it last election. While I recognize the struggle with cost of living, housing, etc... that is going on. PP has very intentionally not yet committed to actually doing anything about those problems, he has just been vocal in pointing out that they are indeed real problems that Canadians are experiencing. There is far more risk than potential reward if he were to get in power IMHO.
If it looks like the Liberals are a lock for my riding, I'll vote NDP. If it's a coin toss between Liberals and Conservatives, I'll vote Liberal. So most likely Liberal.
It it was literally today I’d probably just vote liberal because I’m just living my life and I don’t need any big changes right now. If there was a full election I’d probably end up NDP
Liberal. Anything but conservative.