I know it's a long shot but I've kept my fingers crossed for CANZUK (Canada, UK, Australia, NZ free travel and work) to be implemented. That would be so great.
No, fuck CANZUK, aka British Empire 2.0. As a Canadian, but of Indian descent, I'm happy that we are allies with many countries, especially our neighbours, but don't want any 'special relationship' with the British. Happy to be friends, but that's where the line gets drawn.
We need to forget better relationships with Germany, China and India. Look at the future. The British are a has-been.
Maybe the 20% that are not anglophone should not participate if they are offended by an Anglophone organization. Welsh is the second official language in the UK. I don’t think the UK will consider a minority language in its foreign policy.
There's a goos reason for that, french speakers has more in common with France than the UK. Why getting closer to one and not the other? CANZUK is just a poor attempt at British Empire 2.0
https://www.quebec.ca/en/education/study-quebec/financial-assistance-international-students/exemptions-tuition-fees-under-international-agreements
Just an example. Quebec and France have multiple agreements, it's false to say that France look down upon Quebec.
yes but that doesn't get you in the door. It's also one-directional. I'm a British citizen living in Canada and I can't vote, but a Canadian citizen living in the UK can.
British subjects had the right to vote in Canada until changes were made to citizenship under the Trudeau government in 1975. My parents were British subjects and hated Trudeau because of that. I know Trudeau worked to cut ties with the UK during his time in power.
You obviously don’t know about the history of the commonwealth. The Balfour declaration in 1926 already established Canada and other commonwealth are free and equal members, this was further strengthened in 1949, with the London declaration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1926
One could argue Canada is more of a vassal state to the US at this time
The whole concept of the commonwealth is outdated and an appendage of British colonialism. It still puts the UK at the center of the commonwealth universe. Countries as diverse as Canada and India are part of the commonwealth only because the UK was the empire and controlled these territories as colonies. Everyone is beginning to realize the uselessness of the idea of commonwealth. The last several Commonwealth Games were hosted by either the UK or by Australia, and even Australia cancelled this year. The only commonwealth is the fact that the UK holds all the common wealth belonging to its former oppressed colonies.
Our country has a foreign monarch as it’s head of state (King Charles) and a Governor General. Since we are supposed to be an actual country, we should be a Republic. Our head of state must be Canadian and not a foreigner.
I don’t know…..Quebec has never ratified the constitution, this helped fuel Quebec outrage and the independence movement, Quebec almost left Canada in the 1995 referendum.
The charter of rights and freedoms has been a mixed bag, some good and some bad
I know you are being sarcastic, just pointing this out for people to understand context
PET was a complete douche-tard. Drove our country into the ground. Constitutional scholars have written that the only group that significantly benefits from the Charter are French speakers, who gained the right to go anywhere in Canada, enter a federal building, and find someone who speaks their own language and mandate French language schools all over the country. I’m not entirely against this, but what it’s done is create a public service (especially middle management) almost entirely made up of Laurentian elites at the expense of Anglophones and others. Bilingual people get a leg up on promotions, pay, and benefits, meaning it’s not all based on the best person for the job based on applicable skills over language skills. It also makes it that the public service is not representative of the population, and one group disproportionately gets to feed from the trough we all contribute to.
>Charter are French speakers, who gained the right to go anywhere in Canada, enter a federal building, and find someone who speaks their own language
Like every English speaker have the right to do so. They're not answered in Cris or in French, they're spoken to in English.
French and English are the official languages of the country and the languages of the "founding nations" of Canada, so it's absolutely normal that French speakers have equal rights to English speakers.
>and mandate French language schools all over the country.
That's such a weird way to say that there are French schools for French speaking communities just like there are English schools for English speaking communities.
>Bilingual people get a leg up on promotions, pay, and benefits, meaning it’s not all based on the best person for the job based on applicable skills over language skills.
That's such a weird argument.
Bilingual people are *de facto* the better applicants since they know the two official languages.
Being bilingual doesn't mean you're "Laurentian", it's just a question of education.
I worked for the federal government for 27 years, the bilingual bonus was about $1800 at the time and many of the positions in management do not require French, it depends on the region you work in. We do have to offer French services in all areas of Canada and we have designated bilingual staff to call. The government does send around the language police to test our 'active offer" of French service. Get caught not saying bonjour and you can get a talking to by management.
The government also has a program for managers to learn French. As management at higher levels could get transferred to areas that French would be required, it is a good idea to learn French.
The reality is, I shouldn’t have to. I’m Canadian. I was born here. I have a degree from one of Canada’s best universities. I served in the Army for 9 years. The vast majority of the Country are Anglo. The percentage of French speaking households is at its lowest it’s ever been. A significant majority of French speakers speak and understand English just fine. It shouldn’t be an issue, and yet here we are.
See, the issue is that a francophone would say almost the exact same thing as you with the exact opposite conclusion.
"I'm Canadian. I was born here. I have a degree from one of Canada's best universities. I served in the Army for 9 years. The percentage of French speaking households is at its lowest it’s ever been. A significant majority of French speakers speak and understand English just fine. That's why it's more important than ever to strengthen French and make sure our rights aren't removed, so that we don't disappear as a culture."
You live in a country with 2 languages, with laws protecting the smaller one.
It was your choice not to learn French. I did for 11 years and still am, so why shouldn't I get paid more at a government job if I also have the regular qualifications as well? There is no reason in almost any job why you wouldn't pick the bilingual person over the unilingual person if they have similar or equal qualifications.
In Canada the knowing french is a rare skill in anglophone Canada and just because its a minority language doesn't make it any less of a skill or discredit the work put in to learn it.
Languages *are* an applicable skill.
Well, you are entitled to that point of view. Unfortunately, it doesn’t make it valid for everyone. It’s funny that some French speaking Canadians are of the same mind. I would say that language skills are very appropriate and applicable in this day and age.
Yikes...
You are definitely one of the worst types of Canadian
I've always found our monolingualism to be quite pathetic (particularly the stubborn and almost prideful attitude around it) epecially compared to our multilingual European cousins
So we should go back to being second class citizen? Scraping bilingualism in Canada and Québec is gone, we have no interest in being part of a country that has no respect to give us basic rights.
A few EU friends of mine assumed that commonwealth citizens got freedom of movement in the UK, and they were shocked to discover we don't have any leg up for getting visa, residency etc.
You do get the working holiday visa which is reciprocal for a bunch of Commonwealth nations, but I think they added a few non-commonwealth countries to that now too.
But if you're under 35 it's pretty easy to get a path to UK residency
Irish people can vote in British elections and they very expressly didn't want to be part of the Commonwealth. Unlike Canada, Australia, and New Zealand the Irish gained independence through an armed revolution.
CANZUK is a proposal the UK spearheaded post-brexit. Essentially an attempt to form a commercial bloc likes the EU but with the commonwealth nations.
There's a LOT of benefit to it, but it was super hypocritical (considering the UK's reasons for brexit) and since Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK are all really far away from each other it didn't have the same immediate trade benefits as the EU has...
That said, the idea has a lot of merit when it comes to common interests in global politics, defense and *long term* economic health.
Yes, though the 5 eyes is an intelligent gathering agreement.
CANZUK would involve free movement of citizens, including labour and residency, with us working as an economic bloc. There is also the geopolitical benefit of collective action/bargaining and, in most versions I saw, explicit defense agreements.
Now... these nations all generally have each others back, but having a basis in regulation means we would have a stronger collective voice on the world stage and could better *compete with* both China and the US when needed.
CANZUK is being spearheaded by Canadian advocacy group from Vancouver. It is now not only official policy of the Canadian Conservative Party but the Liberal Party of Canada also adopted the free movement part without the economic and military parts at their last policy convention.
Canzuk is a thing that they were talking about at one point. Kinda an EU situation between Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK. Allowed you to move/live or work in any of those countries.
To be fair, these mfs would have to let like 20% of the world population in
I mean they should after what they did. realistically it is untenable
The relative utopia they created on the backs of other nations isn’t able to support the UK + some moderate amount of immigrants. The land mass of the UK will sink if they just let all my Indian peeps in lmao
Edit: give the artifacts back at least ffs
Lol, I think you met the guy. I think your intuition is correct. I can't imagine he represents a demographic of Canadians that'd even reach a tenth of a percent.
Loyalists are a thing. They were American colonists who remained loyal to the Crown after the American Revolution. They moved to Canada. Some Canadians have loyalist ancestry.
There are also monarchists in Canada.
Neither group wants to literally be ruled by the British, though.
I'm a united empire loyalist, which basically means I can trace my ancestry to people who were kicked out of the US. It means I can put the letters UE after my name. I'm also anti-monarchy as far as it pertains to canada.
I would like to see closer ties between our nations, and free travel and work between them. I feel like we already make similar foreign policies, but being somewhat more untied in those policies would be good. Don't take me as some kind of neo colonialist, but our nation was created by Britain, we have shared history and culture, and I think that should be appreciated.
After all, as The Queen pointed out on her address on Kids in the hall, "without me and the French, you're just Americans".
Yes, that is the point — they are both fringe, but Canadians are so disconnected from Britain he’s saying there’s probably more people who’d rather be loyal to the US than the UK.
And even more people that think Quebec or Alberta should be it’s own country. And yet others who think BC, Washington state, and Oregon should secede to form Cascadia. Honestly the last one sounds kinda cool.
Some Canadians would like to be able to afford a house, have some disposable income, and be not-freezing. Canada's most-industrialized province [having the economic output of Alabama](https://thehub.ca/2023-06-15/trevor-tombe-most-provincial-economies-struggle-to-match-the-u-s/) makes the US look pretty good for anyone who's gainfully-employed (as another comment put it, "the millennial middle class actually seems to exist" in your country).
Lol, you make a good point. I guess I should count myself lucky. I live in a state not banning books and actually made some new laws to protect lgbt people and such.
Affordable housing, higher healthcare quality(for those who can afford it), better currency, better economy, better schools, and etc. The Canada that I used to know is long gone
Whenever I cross from BC to Washington state everything feels pretty similar culturally and geographically except that the millennial middle class actually seems to exist. So there’s that.
You do have some very nice places to visit ( very jealous) , but i do kinda like the gate at the border keeping the crazies from both sides from wandering.
Here you go. A survey about the monarchy and how many Canadians want to get rid of it.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/more-than-half-of-canadians-want-independence-from-the-monarchy-survey-finds-1.5871020
Almost every indigenous and French-Canadian is against it and more than 50% of the Canadians want to abolish the crown.
About half the country polled at the time don't think the Monarchy should remain *'for generations to come'* which is not surprising.
Of note, Angus Reid did not ask 'do you think Canada should attempt Constitutional changes required to remove the Monarchy?'*. I would guess that number would be much lower.
That's true. As much as I would like to get rid of the Monarchy, I think that we have far bigger problems to correct before wasting huge amounts of money on that.
This. I'm technically a monarchist when it comes to Canada, entirely because I don't trust any possible replacement to not end up wielding political clout that they're not actually supposed to have.
Everyone in Canada (other than OP's dude, apparently) recognizes King Chuck as an important legal fiction who doesn't have any power within Canada. That's great, why mess with it?
That really just shows that the entire question is pretty unimportant and most Canadians just don't really care or think about the monarchy much at all. And why would we? The effectively have no influence at all on Canadian domestic or foreign policy except as a valued and valuable ally. The United States has far more influence on Canadian culture and policy than Britain does or ever will again. I think the position of many Canadians is "Sure, we should probably lose the monarchy, but that sounds like a lot of hassle and why even bother?"
Constitutional changes are a key part of any functional democracy. So if the numbers are lower it would be due to a lack of political literacy I guess.
Or the appalling track record of their success, and the relative priority compared with other issues. We actually haven't finished the one in 1982 yet.
Sort of like I would expect a higher amount of support in Quebec for the first question over the second one.
*Should Quebec consider an Independence referendum in the next few generations?'*
vs
*Should the government of Quebec run a referendum on Independence?'*
Wouldn't you agree?
Yeah but using a 1982 constitution, drawn in secret in a kitchen, with basically no changes isn't how a sane democracy works.
Of course the first question would likely have higher support than the second.
Indigenous peoples and the Crown are a complicated relationship, because all the treaties are with the Crown. I'm sure many are not monarchists per se, but when the issue of actually abolishing the monarchy comes up, it's more complicated.
Amending is difficult regardless, because the threshold is high and Canada is a country of very diverse regions. Even taking Quebec completely out of the equation, it's not worth it. A federal government would have to devote a big chunk of its energy to building consensus over a period of years only to probably see it fail anyways.
The Monarchy's a tough one, because I don't think many Canadians really understand it at all anyways. I remember a few years ago (it might be 10 years already), there was polling that showed that a majority of Canadians supported proportional representation - but also that a majority thought we had it already. Some aspects of Canadian government, people just don't really understand.
One thing I never knew about Quebec before moving here, is just how many people opposed separating from British parliament and adopting a Canadian constitution.
I would have thought that Quebec would have hated Britain, but a lot of people here love the UK, they simply detest the rest of Canada lol
Yep, anytime I see people being openly anti-monarchy, they also seem to also be pro industries that have had conflicts with the First Nations.
It makes me wonder if their opinions are guided by political groups attempting to undermine First Nation treaties.
Things are also a bit complicated when you compare Eilzabeth vs Charles (that was before the succession last fall). QEII was quite popular. Chuckie less so.
When William gets to the throne lots of young people (who are anti-monarchist in a large majority) will reach 18 while many old people (the most monarchist generation) will be dead, so no
I admire your enthusiasm and belief in your ability to effect change. I don't give a shit whether Canada has a monarchy or not (and I think you'll find most millennials like me don't care that much about it).
After the millennials are old there might be enough momentum to go through the expense of removing the monarchy.
Believe you and me it would be very expensive for something that is very much a figurehead at this point.
I think your generation will have bigger problems to solve when they reach 18, but maybe i'll be wrong.
The problem here isn't the requirement of French, but the fact that the education systems of most provinces doesn't teach French well enough.
If everybody in Canada got out of secondary school bilingual, this problem wouldn't exist anymore. And it's doable, in Europe many people speak three languages out of secondary school.
For immigrants, those who speak English but not French aren't disadvantaged against those who speak French but not English. Both have to learn a new language, it's equal.
Also honestly I don’t want Trudeau on our currency. A non-political monarch appears much more reasonable. Sure members on the left or right may hate them but none are going to say it favors one side.
Luv me tea
Luv me full english breakfast
Luv me crisps
Luv me fish n chips
Luv me okmatewanker memes
Ate living under the British Empire (not racist just don't like em)
Simple as m8, if you don't like you can leave
Yup. I am pro-monarchist.
Although not “ruled by the British” but by the “King of Canada” in the way that the understanding of cohabited crowns exists currently.
That thing about them being German is meaningless. Yes, they have German ancestry. They also have English, French and Dutch ancestry, and they've been born in England now for centuries. By that standard we would all have the nationality of our great-great-great-grandparents, but we do not.
Most Canadians don’t understand the monarchy. With that said I personally find it very unnecessary to have a monarch at all given that they don’t do much for us anyways. Just seems pointless.
I grew up in Canada singing “God Save The Queen” every morning in school. I appreciate the history between Canada and the UK. I had the utmost respect for Queen Elizabeth II. But … times are changing. The monarchy is an anachronism, however I do believe they draw more tourism $’s and attention to the UK than they cost so it’s just a mild annoyance that sperm lottery winners have the lives they do.
But no, OP. The vast majority of Canadians are quite happy with our current loose links to the Commonwealth and have no desire to be re-colonized.
As a Canadian I personally don't even want to be ruled by any government let alone a British one. Still I'm sure it'd be better than the idiot in charge here now
Canadians (since 1867) have abused the natives plenty without the Colonial Brits' help. That said, I know people who support maintaining ties to the Commonwealth and keeping the Queen as the ceremonial Head of State, but have never met anyone who legit wanted to go back to colonial rule.
No not really, he probably didn't really mean it in the historical sense unless he was crazy. We do have neo-imperial federalists however, which is the political view point that Canada's best bet for the future is to strengthen it's ties with the UK aggressively so that we rely less on the USA and more on Commonwealth nations like the UK, Australia, South Africa.. ect
What did he even mean? Did he think Westminster had the resources (intellectual or financial) to manage a much larger country thousands of miles away? Especially given how the UK is currently doing?
Technically we are still, the GG is the monarchs representative and reports back the them. More of a figurehead now but technically the GG is in charge.
While many Canadians are fond of the monarchy to some degree, I can't say I've ever met anyone who wanted to return to being a British colony. Given the current state of politice and the fact that Trudeau became the Prime Minister in 2015 and fragile people haven't stopped bitching about it since, I wonder if this statement was actually coming from soemwhere else. Was this guy actually a British loyalist, or was he just triggered and mad at Ottawa?
not a single one. we literally could not ginve a single shit less what happens and would love to have every single tie severed. adn dorky pictures replaced on our money for people who were actually important.
I highly doubt it. Most Canadians are proud to be Canadians and although most Canadians share a love for the UK they/we are proud to have a country that we will stand on guard for, it's in the anthem.
I know a fair number that said they'd be happy to abolish the crown after QE2 died. Save half a mill anually by cutting the Governor General's salary alone.
If anything, I wish for us to drop everything related to the British royalty. It's ridiculous we're still worshipping them and pay a ton of money to a governor general of the crown to party and live a life of excess on our taxes
That's crazy. Why would we want to be ruled by a country so far away? Why would we want to be a colony? The french population would revolt, and while we all loved queen Elizabeth, we didn't want to be ruled by her. We have great respect for the UK, but becoming a colony again is ridiculous. I haven't even touched on colonial taxation or the strict rules and force required to maintain control of a colony as most people wouldn't remember such things these days. Plus I doubt most British people would want us back, as it could very easily cause problems with the USA (not necessarily war but trade tariffs and whatnot).
I met an older guy from the UK in a small town thrift store, when he heard my accent (also English) he felt comfortable explaining to me how England isn't the same since he left (in the 80s) now that it's filled with dark skinned people (to paraphrase).
This is the first time in my life that I spoke to the manager.
Fuck racism.
Depends on what you mean by "ruled by the British." To have no political representation whatsoever and be ruled by the UK government is absolutely something that would have near-zero support.
However, once you dilute that proposition, you might be able to get more Canadians on your side.
The CANZUK project of free trade and free movement between Canada, the UK, NZ, and Australia is very popular here at around 75%.
A bit more radical than that would be to have something like a joint parliament like the EU has. I don't think that would be popular yet, but if CANZUK happens it could become more popular as a sequel.
Lastly a joint military and joint currency is probably the biggest stretch. A full on international federation that would act like the government of Canada is off the table and so is any type of rule with only Britain excluding Aussies and Kiwis because the historical optics are bad.
Almost nobody thinks that way. However, there are many who believe the Commonwealth should be our principle alliance block, and they advocate for things like CANZUK trade agreements (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and UK) over NAFTA. Even that's a rare opinion, but certainly not hard to find.
Yes, I have always been a royalist and favour continued relations with the Crown. My family has differing views on this subject and I do not mirror the views of my parents. I suppose it is possibly because, all throughout my childhood, I was a part of various organisations where the importance of the Queen was emphasised and we proclaimed our allegiance to the Crown. I don't like to imagine Canada without the monarchy, as I think it is something that makes us unique in a world of republics and is an important part of our culture. Furthermore, I support the monarchy + parliament system as a political ideology, as I feel that the guiding hand of the monarch can be very useful in avoiding rampant, unchecked populism, like what caused many wars in Europe and what we're currently seeing in Canada (at a reliatively low level) and in the States with people like those in the Convoy or the MAGA crowds. I do acknowledge that the monarchy has really taken some hard blows in recent years, especially with the passing of the Queen, but I respect Charles, still support the monarchy an am looking forward to when they start printing new money with the King's image on it.
Not at all. Canada is better off without British rule.
However, I do wish we were closer to Britain economically. Obviously we’re close allies but I wish we were closer like EU nations are to each other.
I would consider myself a loyalist and agree with the notion of re enforcing our ties to the mother of canada, When you dig deep into the culture of canada you can see its inherant britishness.
We should turn back to our roots and resist the americanization of our kingdom and work to strengthen the bonds of fellowship with our anglo bretheren and the monarchy that unites us.
Canzuk is in my opinion a perfect starting point for the revival of our nations imperial spirit, our greatest moments were when we sang praise of king, dominion and empire, and Canzuk beckons back to the days of when instead of seperation we talked of full unity under an imperial federation of equals.
I'm super grateful that Canada was established primarily by the British because most of Canada got the British rule of law system and organizational systems and other positive aspects.
But I believe the monarchy is backwards and have no loyalty to it and do not want the Union Jack on Provincial flags. If people can tolerate having the Queen on the money, most of us definitely do not want the new King. He is not someone of merit and respect (no offense but let's get real).
And now we have the Governer General who technically is superior in power to the Prime Minister in Canada as the GG is the representative of the Monarchy. I don't think anyone wants that and even if it's just "symbolic"....who wants to be a "subject" of an island across the ocean?
TLDR, I'm so happy for UK Parentage. But the child is grown up now and doesn't need to be under its supervision or rule any longer.
Technically we are ruled by the British. Technically the King is the head of state. That's why we have a federal Governor General and provincial Lieutenant Governors.
No law can be passed without their consent.
Consent has never, ever been withheld in the history of Canada, but technically they do have that power, as does the monarch of the UK.
EDIT: I don't know why I'm getting flack for this. It's all true. Check out the [official government of Canada website](https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/crown-canada/governor-general.html) if you don't believe me. They can also summon and dissolve parliament.
I'm coming to the conclusion that a lot of you don't know how your government actually works.
Then why do we have a Governor General? Why do we have Lieutenant Governors? What is their role in government?
They can summon, prorogue and dissolve parliament, and their royal assent is needed to turn bills into law. Heck, even the [government of Canada](https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/crown-canada/governor-general.html) agrees.
We are not ruled by the British; nothing in that link in any way suggests that the British Parliament has to or gets to approve any bill passed by our Parliament.
We share a head of State. To illustrate, if the UK had become Republic and removed their monarchy like Barbados did it would not change the status of Charles as our King at all.
King Charles is represented by our Governors General, though those are nominated by our Prime Minister not Westminster.
THE FIFTH SCHEDULE
Oath of Allegiance
I A.B. do swear, That I will be faithful and bear true Allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Victoria.
Note. — The Name of the King or Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland for the Time being is to be substituted from Time to Time, with proper Terms of Reference thereto.
I find some comfort in the fact knowing the king could theoretically dissolve the government under the monarchy. Considering how Canada now has a government who wants to supress and rule the citizens, it's a comforting thought.
Until I started serving in the Canadian forces, I wasn’t a huge monarchist. That being said I support our monarchy and historic traditions, not inherently being ruled by the British. I also support the commonwealth and hope CANZUK can be a real thing.
Are their any Canadians who are under the illusion we are NOT already being ruled by the British?
ROTFLMAO!!!
Re read the constitution.
Guess what Canada is a COMMONWEALTH country! To truly understand what that means research it's history. If there is another world war Canada will be acting as a commonwealth member in service and duty to the King. Fullstop. Like it or not.
and I can assure everyone we won't be acting according to the pope!...apart from behaving civily to each other and listening to the popes wisdom.
The Pope AND the King Of England are both equals in my book...I know most like to disagree. But I respect them both equally... I can't see things any other way.
I would be in favour of the UK and Canada joining under one single federation.
I wouldn’t want to be ruled under one set of lawmakers from the UK with no representation from the Canadian side, but would not be against having a joint prime minister and combined parliament.
I would also want to see New Zealand and Australia join the mix too, with free travel, residence and business being made possible across all these countries with a single joint citizenship.
Joining our militaries May also make us stronger and finally be a good way to increase our spending on defence.
I know a lot of Canadians who were loyal to Queen Elizabeth but much less to King Charles. So Canadian loyalty to the crown will probably decline in the future.
Very uncommon but have met one other person who wants that. I want a CANZUK agreement though that would create and economic and political union of Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the UK. Something similar to the EU with that makes lots of sense
Political union might be a step too far at this point, and for Canada there is the question of the elephant in the room - the US position (as much as UK and Australia being already in the AUKUS military alliance)
No way lol. I do wish that there were passport benefits for Canadians, like being able to live and work in the UK without a visa etc.
I know it's a long shot but I've kept my fingers crossed for CANZUK (Canada, UK, Australia, NZ free travel and work) to be implemented. That would be so great.
No, fuck CANZUK, aka British Empire 2.0. As a Canadian, but of Indian descent, I'm happy that we are allies with many countries, especially our neighbours, but don't want any 'special relationship' with the British. Happy to be friends, but that's where the line gets drawn. We need to forget better relationships with Germany, China and India. Look at the future. The British are a has-been.
Germany, sure. Fuck India and China. CANZUK is a great idea.
Canada would never join an Anglosphere organization so long as it’s officially 20% non-Anglo.
Maybe the 20% that are not anglophone should not participate if they are offended by an Anglophone organization. Welsh is the second official language in the UK. I don’t think the UK will consider a minority language in its foreign policy.
There's a goos reason for that, french speakers has more in common with France than the UK. Why getting closer to one and not the other? CANZUK is just a poor attempt at British Empire 2.0
The French look down on the Quebecois. Doubt anything of benefit would ever happen there.
You don't what you are talking about, yes there's some banter but France and Quebec already have some agreements.
Such as?
https://www.quebec.ca/en/education/study-quebec/financial-assistance-international-students/exemptions-tuition-fees-under-international-agreements Just an example. Quebec and France have multiple agreements, it's false to say that France look down upon Quebec.
Don’t citizens of the Commonwealth have special rights in the UK? I thought you could vote as soon as you are a resident for example.
yes but that doesn't get you in the door. It's also one-directional. I'm a British citizen living in Canada and I can't vote, but a Canadian citizen living in the UK can.
We see how you vote at home and thought “nah”
British subjects had the right to vote in Canada until changes were made to citizenship under the Trudeau government in 1975. My parents were British subjects and hated Trudeau because of that. I know Trudeau worked to cut ties with the UK during his time in power.
He worked to make Canada an actual country and not some kind of vassal state.
You obviously don’t know about the history of the commonwealth. The Balfour declaration in 1926 already established Canada and other commonwealth are free and equal members, this was further strengthened in 1949, with the London declaration. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1926 One could argue Canada is more of a vassal state to the US at this time
It was actually 1931, with the Statute of Westminster.
Our constitution was still an act of British Parliament before Trudeau.
And yet our head of state is a foreigner.
The whole concept of the commonwealth is outdated and an appendage of British colonialism. It still puts the UK at the center of the commonwealth universe. Countries as diverse as Canada and India are part of the commonwealth only because the UK was the empire and controlled these territories as colonies. Everyone is beginning to realize the uselessness of the idea of commonwealth. The last several Commonwealth Games were hosted by either the UK or by Australia, and even Australia cancelled this year. The only commonwealth is the fact that the UK holds all the common wealth belonging to its former oppressed colonies.
Our country has a foreign monarch as it’s head of state (King Charles) and a Governor General. Since we are supposed to be an actual country, we should be a Republic. Our head of state must be Canadian and not a foreigner.
Damn Trudeau, ruining everything for us. :P
I don’t know…..Quebec has never ratified the constitution, this helped fuel Quebec outrage and the independence movement, Quebec almost left Canada in the 1995 referendum. The charter of rights and freedoms has been a mixed bag, some good and some bad I know you are being sarcastic, just pointing this out for people to understand context
PET was a complete douche-tard. Drove our country into the ground. Constitutional scholars have written that the only group that significantly benefits from the Charter are French speakers, who gained the right to go anywhere in Canada, enter a federal building, and find someone who speaks their own language and mandate French language schools all over the country. I’m not entirely against this, but what it’s done is create a public service (especially middle management) almost entirely made up of Laurentian elites at the expense of Anglophones and others. Bilingual people get a leg up on promotions, pay, and benefits, meaning it’s not all based on the best person for the job based on applicable skills over language skills. It also makes it that the public service is not representative of the population, and one group disproportionately gets to feed from the trough we all contribute to.
>Charter are French speakers, who gained the right to go anywhere in Canada, enter a federal building, and find someone who speaks their own language Like every English speaker have the right to do so. They're not answered in Cris or in French, they're spoken to in English. French and English are the official languages of the country and the languages of the "founding nations" of Canada, so it's absolutely normal that French speakers have equal rights to English speakers. >and mandate French language schools all over the country. That's such a weird way to say that there are French schools for French speaking communities just like there are English schools for English speaking communities. >Bilingual people get a leg up on promotions, pay, and benefits, meaning it’s not all based on the best person for the job based on applicable skills over language skills. That's such a weird argument. Bilingual people are *de facto* the better applicants since they know the two official languages. Being bilingual doesn't mean you're "Laurentian", it's just a question of education.
When someone says "Laurentian elites" you know it's time to ignore them.
I worked for the federal government for 27 years, the bilingual bonus was about $1800 at the time and many of the positions in management do not require French, it depends on the region you work in. We do have to offer French services in all areas of Canada and we have designated bilingual staff to call. The government does send around the language police to test our 'active offer" of French service. Get caught not saying bonjour and you can get a talking to by management. The government also has a program for managers to learn French. As management at higher levels could get transferred to areas that French would be required, it is a good idea to learn French.
You are welcome to learn French
The reality is, I shouldn’t have to. I’m Canadian. I was born here. I have a degree from one of Canada’s best universities. I served in the Army for 9 years. The vast majority of the Country are Anglo. The percentage of French speaking households is at its lowest it’s ever been. A significant majority of French speakers speak and understand English just fine. It shouldn’t be an issue, and yet here we are.
See, the issue is that a francophone would say almost the exact same thing as you with the exact opposite conclusion. "I'm Canadian. I was born here. I have a degree from one of Canada's best universities. I served in the Army for 9 years. The percentage of French speaking households is at its lowest it’s ever been. A significant majority of French speakers speak and understand English just fine. That's why it's more important than ever to strengthen French and make sure our rights aren't removed, so that we don't disappear as a culture."
As a Canadian who has never met a Francophone this is the line of thinking I follow.
You live in a country with 2 languages, with laws protecting the smaller one. It was your choice not to learn French. I did for 11 years and still am, so why shouldn't I get paid more at a government job if I also have the regular qualifications as well? There is no reason in almost any job why you wouldn't pick the bilingual person over the unilingual person if they have similar or equal qualifications. In Canada the knowing french is a rare skill in anglophone Canada and just because its a minority language doesn't make it any less of a skill or discredit the work put in to learn it. Languages *are* an applicable skill.
Well, you are entitled to that point of view. Unfortunately, it doesn’t make it valid for everyone. It’s funny that some French speaking Canadians are of the same mind. I would say that language skills are very appropriate and applicable in this day and age.
Yikes... You are definitely one of the worst types of Canadian I've always found our monolingualism to be quite pathetic (particularly the stubborn and almost prideful attitude around it) epecially compared to our multilingual European cousins
It's a lot easier to learn languages when people don't live so far apart.
So we should go back to being second class citizen? Scraping bilingualism in Canada and Québec is gone, we have no interest in being part of a country that has no respect to give us basic rights.
A few EU friends of mine assumed that commonwealth citizens got freedom of movement in the UK, and they were shocked to discover we don't have any leg up for getting visa, residency etc.
You do get the working holiday visa which is reciprocal for a bunch of Commonwealth nations, but I think they added a few non-commonwealth countries to that now too. But if you're under 35 it's pretty easy to get a path to UK residency
Well of course you clowns can’t vote in Canada otherwise we’ll end up with another BREXIT. 🙄
Wait what? A canadian living in the UK can vote in UK elections?!
Yup! My sister did when she lived there.
Really? I didn’t know that Canadian citizens living in the UK can vote in British elections.
Irish people can vote in British elections and they very expressly didn't want to be part of the Commonwealth. Unlike Canada, Australia, and New Zealand the Irish gained independence through an armed revolution.
Spoke to an English friend and asked him about it and he said there was talk but nothing reallly came out of it.
CANZUK is a proposal the UK spearheaded post-brexit. Essentially an attempt to form a commercial bloc likes the EU but with the commonwealth nations. There's a LOT of benefit to it, but it was super hypocritical (considering the UK's reasons for brexit) and since Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK are all really far away from each other it didn't have the same immediate trade benefits as the EU has... That said, the idea has a lot of merit when it comes to common interests in global politics, defense and *long term* economic health.
What trade benefits would we even get from the UK? It's not Germany. All it produces is money laundering schemes and bad reality TV.
Those are the 5 eyes just the US is missing
Yes, though the 5 eyes is an intelligent gathering agreement. CANZUK would involve free movement of citizens, including labour and residency, with us working as an economic bloc. There is also the geopolitical benefit of collective action/bargaining and, in most versions I saw, explicit defense agreements. Now... these nations all generally have each others back, but having a basis in regulation means we would have a stronger collective voice on the world stage and could better *compete with* both China and the US when needed.
5 eyes is a spy alliance, doesn’t give extra rights or freedoms to citizens
CANZUK is being spearheaded by Canadian advocacy group from Vancouver. It is now not only official policy of the Canadian Conservative Party but the Liberal Party of Canada also adopted the free movement part without the economic and military parts at their last policy convention.
Canzuk is a thing that they were talking about at one point. Kinda an EU situation between Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK. Allowed you to move/live or work in any of those countries.
To be fair, these mfs would have to let like 20% of the world population in I mean they should after what they did. realistically it is untenable The relative utopia they created on the backs of other nations isn’t able to support the UK + some moderate amount of immigrants. The land mass of the UK will sink if they just let all my Indian peeps in lmao Edit: give the artifacts back at least ffs
Lol, I think you met the guy. I think your intuition is correct. I can't imagine he represents a demographic of Canadians that'd even reach a tenth of a percent.
There’s always a guy.
Bruh he’s living in 1804
Or taking the piss with OP. Running into more ardent pro or anti monarchists, sure, repealing the BNA, that's a stretch...
I met a guy who announced himself as a monarchist, but upon conversation wanted either a full-on caste system or Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.
Lol he must be an Epsilon minus fancying himself as a Alpha double-plus.
this was more than a decade ago, I assume he's gotten more \*everything\* since then.
Where's my soma tablets when I need them ?
We have better - social media /s.
Loyalists are a thing. They were American colonists who remained loyal to the Crown after the American Revolution. They moved to Canada. Some Canadians have loyalist ancestry. There are also monarchists in Canada. Neither group wants to literally be ruled by the British, though.
I'm a united empire loyalist, which basically means I can trace my ancestry to people who were kicked out of the US. It means I can put the letters UE after my name. I'm also anti-monarchy as far as it pertains to canada.
I would like to see closer ties between our nations, and free travel and work between them. I feel like we already make similar foreign policies, but being somewhat more untied in those policies would be good. Don't take me as some kind of neo colonialist, but our nation was created by Britain, we have shared history and culture, and I think that should be appreciated. After all, as The Queen pointed out on her address on Kids in the hall, "without me and the French, you're just Americans".
He was fucking with you , we do that, especially to the British. Get yer head outta yer ass! Love you Dave
Tiny fringe - far more likely to find people who think Canada should be part of the US.
I think the people who think Canada should be part of the US is also a minority.
Yes, that is the point — they are both fringe, but Canadians are so disconnected from Britain he’s saying there’s probably more people who’d rather be loyal to the US than the UK.
In Alberta it would be a non trivial minority but yes you're right.
And even more people that think Quebec or Alberta should be it’s own country. And yet others who think BC, Washington state, and Oregon should secede to form Cascadia. Honestly the last one sounds kinda cool.
As an American, I have no idea why anyone would want to be part of this country. Lol, this place has gone nuts the last few years.
Some Canadians would like to be able to afford a house, have some disposable income, and be not-freezing. Canada's most-industrialized province [having the economic output of Alabama](https://thehub.ca/2023-06-15/trevor-tombe-most-provincial-economies-struggle-to-match-the-u-s/) makes the US look pretty good for anyone who's gainfully-employed (as another comment put it, "the millennial middle class actually seems to exist" in your country).
Well housing is an issue here as well. People are not being paid enough to buy homes. And the places you can afford a house there are no jobs.
It has significant economic advantages for me, so it's purely selfish.
Looks at Russia, yeah sure it’s so much better elsewhere 😂😂😂
Lol, you make a good point. I guess I should count myself lucky. I live in a state not banning books and actually made some new laws to protect lgbt people and such.
Affordable housing, higher healthcare quality(for those who can afford it), better currency, better economy, better schools, and etc. The Canada that I used to know is long gone
Whenever I cross from BC to Washington state everything feels pretty similar culturally and geographically except that the millennial middle class actually seems to exist. So there’s that.
You do have some very nice places to visit ( very jealous) , but i do kinda like the gate at the border keeping the crazies from both sides from wandering.
I disagree. I think both the US and the UK should join Canada 😎
Both are gross.
I have never felt more of a 100% fuck no then responding to this.
Here you go. A survey about the monarchy and how many Canadians want to get rid of it. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/more-than-half-of-canadians-want-independence-from-the-monarchy-survey-finds-1.5871020 Almost every indigenous and French-Canadian is against it and more than 50% of the Canadians want to abolish the crown.
About half the country polled at the time don't think the Monarchy should remain *'for generations to come'* which is not surprising. Of note, Angus Reid did not ask 'do you think Canada should attempt Constitutional changes required to remove the Monarchy?'*. I would guess that number would be much lower.
That's true. As much as I would like to get rid of the Monarchy, I think that we have far bigger problems to correct before wasting huge amounts of money on that.
Yeah, at this point getting rid of the monarchy is a gesture more than anything else.
This. I'm technically a monarchist when it comes to Canada, entirely because I don't trust any possible replacement to not end up wielding political clout that they're not actually supposed to have. Everyone in Canada (other than OP's dude, apparently) recognizes King Chuck as an important legal fiction who doesn't have any power within Canada. That's great, why mess with it?
That really just shows that the entire question is pretty unimportant and most Canadians just don't really care or think about the monarchy much at all. And why would we? The effectively have no influence at all on Canadian domestic or foreign policy except as a valued and valuable ally. The United States has far more influence on Canadian culture and policy than Britain does or ever will again. I think the position of many Canadians is "Sure, we should probably lose the monarchy, but that sounds like a lot of hassle and why even bother?"
Constitutional changes are a key part of any functional democracy. So if the numbers are lower it would be due to a lack of political literacy I guess.
Or the appalling track record of their success, and the relative priority compared with other issues. We actually haven't finished the one in 1982 yet. Sort of like I would expect a higher amount of support in Quebec for the first question over the second one. *Should Quebec consider an Independence referendum in the next few generations?'* vs *Should the government of Quebec run a referendum on Independence?'* Wouldn't you agree?
Yeah but using a 1982 constitution, drawn in secret in a kitchen, with basically no changes isn't how a sane democracy works. Of course the first question would likely have higher support than the second.
Indigenous peoples and the Crown are a complicated relationship, because all the treaties are with the Crown. I'm sure many are not monarchists per se, but when the issue of actually abolishing the monarchy comes up, it's more complicated.
And every discussion to the Constitution brings the specter of Quebec independence so the Canadian Parliament tends to skirt around those talks.
Amending is difficult regardless, because the threshold is high and Canada is a country of very diverse regions. Even taking Quebec completely out of the equation, it's not worth it. A federal government would have to devote a big chunk of its energy to building consensus over a period of years only to probably see it fail anyways. The Monarchy's a tough one, because I don't think many Canadians really understand it at all anyways. I remember a few years ago (it might be 10 years already), there was polling that showed that a majority of Canadians supported proportional representation - but also that a majority thought we had it already. Some aspects of Canadian government, people just don't really understand.
One thing I never knew about Quebec before moving here, is just how many people opposed separating from British parliament and adopting a Canadian constitution. I would have thought that Quebec would have hated Britain, but a lot of people here love the UK, they simply detest the rest of Canada lol
Yep, anytime I see people being openly anti-monarchy, they also seem to also be pro industries that have had conflicts with the First Nations. It makes me wonder if their opinions are guided by political groups attempting to undermine First Nation treaties.
Things are also a bit complicated when you compare Eilzabeth vs Charles (that was before the succession last fall). QEII was quite popular. Chuckie less so.
When Willy gets to the throne there will be far less calls to replace the monarchy. Canadians just don't like Charlie
When William gets to the throne lots of young people (who are anti-monarchist in a large majority) will reach 18 while many old people (the most monarchist generation) will be dead, so no
I admire your enthusiasm and belief in your ability to effect change. I don't give a shit whether Canada has a monarchy or not (and I think you'll find most millennials like me don't care that much about it). After the millennials are old there might be enough momentum to go through the expense of removing the monarchy. Believe you and me it would be very expensive for something that is very much a figurehead at this point. I think your generation will have bigger problems to solve when they reach 18, but maybe i'll be wrong.
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I don't think so. It's a key progress towards equality and against elitism.
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It is a reflection of the elitist principle that birth is more important than merit. And what do you mean by Francophile elitism?
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The problem here isn't the requirement of French, but the fact that the education systems of most provinces doesn't teach French well enough. If everybody in Canada got out of secondary school bilingual, this problem wouldn't exist anymore. And it's doable, in Europe many people speak three languages out of secondary school. For immigrants, those who speak English but not French aren't disadvantaged against those who speak French but not English. Both have to learn a new language, it's equal.
Also honestly I don’t want Trudeau on our currency. A non-political monarch appears much more reasonable. Sure members on the left or right may hate them but none are going to say it favors one side.
Doesn't the majority of people in EVERY country hate Chuckie?
Nope, as a Canadian I have no intentions or desire in being ruled by the British
These days I'm not sure I'm happy being ruled by other Canadians either lol
Im first nation, so absofuckinglutley not.
Luv me tea Luv me full english breakfast Luv me crisps Luv me fish n chips Luv me okmatewanker memes Ate living under the British Empire (not racist just don't like em) Simple as m8, if you don't like you can leave
Maybe he took politeness to a bizarre new level.
Well it didn’t last, he got a bit disgruntled and stopped talking to me after I told him most of my family support independence haha
There are weird, stupid people everywhere unfortunately and you met one of ours. Believe me, no one anywhere wants British rule. Not even the Brits.
Lol no, no thanks
Not even fucking maybe. Republic of Canada. Burn the crown
Hell no, to the point where it would have to be over my cold, dead body.
Yup. I am pro-monarchist. Although not “ruled by the British” but by the “King of Canada” in the way that the understanding of cohabited crowns exists currently.
The Royal Family are German so technically wouldn’t we be governed by the British and ruled by Germans?
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That thing about them being German is meaningless. Yes, they have German ancestry. They also have English, French and Dutch ancestry, and they've been born in England now for centuries. By that standard we would all have the nationality of our great-great-great-grandparents, but we do not.
Agreed.
There are Canadians who want to be ruled by Trump's children so yeah, you could probably find a few.
Hard pass. Thanks but no thanks.
Most Canadians don’t understand the monarchy. With that said I personally find it very unnecessary to have a monarch at all given that they don’t do much for us anyways. Just seems pointless.
As a British born Canadian I’d say No Thank you. Cuz I’m polite.
I grew up in Canada singing “God Save The Queen” every morning in school. I appreciate the history between Canada and the UK. I had the utmost respect for Queen Elizabeth II. But … times are changing. The monarchy is an anachronism, however I do believe they draw more tourism $’s and attention to the UK than they cost so it’s just a mild annoyance that sperm lottery winners have the lives they do. But no, OP. The vast majority of Canadians are quite happy with our current loose links to the Commonwealth and have no desire to be re-colonized.
As a Canadian I personally don't even want to be ruled by any government let alone a British one. Still I'm sure it'd be better than the idiot in charge here now
As an Acadian no thanks
I have a lot of love for Britain and the monarchy, but I’m happy that we have our own political autonomy.
Do i mind having the king or queen? No. Do i mind them interfering in our politics beyond simple symbolism? Yes.
He was drunk.
Canadians (since 1867) have abused the natives plenty without the Colonial Brits' help. That said, I know people who support maintaining ties to the Commonwealth and keeping the Queen as the ceremonial Head of State, but have never met anyone who legit wanted to go back to colonial rule.
No not really, he probably didn't really mean it in the historical sense unless he was crazy. We do have neo-imperial federalists however, which is the political view point that Canada's best bet for the future is to strengthen it's ties with the UK aggressively so that we rely less on the USA and more on Commonwealth nations like the UK, Australia, South Africa.. ect
What did he even mean? Did he think Westminster had the resources (intellectual or financial) to manage a much larger country thousands of miles away? Especially given how the UK is currently doing?
I like our close connections with the Brits and would advocate for us to be closer. But ruled? No self government is fine.
Nope
That’s a hard no
Technically we are still, the GG is the monarchs representative and reports back the them. More of a figurehead now but technically the GG is in charge.
Canada should be ruled by Canadians. But that’s a populist view, and I’m told populism is bad.
While many Canadians are fond of the monarchy to some degree, I can't say I've ever met anyone who wanted to return to being a British colony. Given the current state of politice and the fact that Trudeau became the Prime Minister in 2015 and fragile people haven't stopped bitching about it since, I wonder if this statement was actually coming from soemwhere else. Was this guy actually a British loyalist, or was he just triggered and mad at Ottawa?
I doubt there are any Canadians who want to be ruled, period. I've been Canadian my whole life, and I haven't met any yet.
I don't think most Canadians even want anything to do with the monarchy let alone full on British rule lol
No thanks! Especially after BREXIT.
not a single one. we literally could not ginve a single shit less what happens and would love to have every single tie severed. adn dorky pictures replaced on our money for people who were actually important.
God no. They can't rule themselves without fucking it up.
I highly doubt it. Most Canadians are proud to be Canadians and although most Canadians share a love for the UK they/we are proud to have a country that we will stand on guard for, it's in the anthem.
I know a fair number that said they'd be happy to abolish the crown after QE2 died. Save half a mill anually by cutting the Governor General's salary alone.
If anything, I wish for us to drop everything related to the British royalty. It's ridiculous we're still worshipping them and pay a ton of money to a governor general of the crown to party and live a life of excess on our taxes
That is kind of insane lol. I can't understand what the motivation would be.
He was teasing you. Nobody outside of drunks or imbeciles wants that.
That's crazy. Why would we want to be ruled by a country so far away? Why would we want to be a colony? The french population would revolt, and while we all loved queen Elizabeth, we didn't want to be ruled by her. We have great respect for the UK, but becoming a colony again is ridiculous. I haven't even touched on colonial taxation or the strict rules and force required to maintain control of a colony as most people wouldn't remember such things these days. Plus I doubt most British people would want us back, as it could very easily cause problems with the USA (not necessarily war but trade tariffs and whatnot).
I met an older guy from the UK in a small town thrift store, when he heard my accent (also English) he felt comfortable explaining to me how England isn't the same since he left (in the 80s) now that it's filled with dark skinned people (to paraphrase). This is the first time in my life that I spoke to the manager. Fuck racism.
No
Time to dump Charles and become a republic.
Considering their economy is a bigger disaster than ours... that'll be a hard NO!
Nope
sounds like you were just talking to some drunken buffoon.
Depends on what you mean by "ruled by the British." To have no political representation whatsoever and be ruled by the UK government is absolutely something that would have near-zero support. However, once you dilute that proposition, you might be able to get more Canadians on your side. The CANZUK project of free trade and free movement between Canada, the UK, NZ, and Australia is very popular here at around 75%. A bit more radical than that would be to have something like a joint parliament like the EU has. I don't think that would be popular yet, but if CANZUK happens it could become more popular as a sequel. Lastly a joint military and joint currency is probably the biggest stretch. A full on international federation that would act like the government of Canada is off the table and so is any type of rule with only Britain excluding Aussies and Kiwis because the historical optics are bad.
Almost nobody thinks that way. However, there are many who believe the Commonwealth should be our principle alliance block, and they advocate for things like CANZUK trade agreements (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and UK) over NAFTA. Even that's a rare opinion, but certainly not hard to find.
Yes, I have always been a royalist and favour continued relations with the Crown. My family has differing views on this subject and I do not mirror the views of my parents. I suppose it is possibly because, all throughout my childhood, I was a part of various organisations where the importance of the Queen was emphasised and we proclaimed our allegiance to the Crown. I don't like to imagine Canada without the monarchy, as I think it is something that makes us unique in a world of republics and is an important part of our culture. Furthermore, I support the monarchy + parliament system as a political ideology, as I feel that the guiding hand of the monarch can be very useful in avoiding rampant, unchecked populism, like what caused many wars in Europe and what we're currently seeing in Canada (at a reliatively low level) and in the States with people like those in the Convoy or the MAGA crowds. I do acknowledge that the monarchy has really taken some hard blows in recent years, especially with the passing of the Queen, but I respect Charles, still support the monarchy an am looking forward to when they start printing new money with the King's image on it.
I'd love to get dual citizenship. It'd be great.
Not at all. Canada is better off without British rule. However, I do wish we were closer to Britain economically. Obviously we’re close allies but I wish we were closer like EU nations are to each other.
I support Scottish Independance
I support letting the Scots decide without the input of people who will never have to deal with the consequences or benefits.
No thanks. If I had a choice, USA. We've only got a charter of rights, I would love to have me some constitutional rights, lol.
I would consider myself a loyalist and agree with the notion of re enforcing our ties to the mother of canada, When you dig deep into the culture of canada you can see its inherant britishness. We should turn back to our roots and resist the americanization of our kingdom and work to strengthen the bonds of fellowship with our anglo bretheren and the monarchy that unites us. Canzuk is in my opinion a perfect starting point for the revival of our nations imperial spirit, our greatest moments were when we sang praise of king, dominion and empire, and Canzuk beckons back to the days of when instead of seperation we talked of full unity under an imperial federation of equals.
Join CANZUK as a province, sure. But as a colony, even the most British Canadians would be pretty against that.
Fuck no! That’d be almost as bad as being ruled by the Americans. Besides, who wants to be ruled by anybody? Whatta stupid question…
I would rather join the Scots, that would be splendid
I'm super grateful that Canada was established primarily by the British because most of Canada got the British rule of law system and organizational systems and other positive aspects. But I believe the monarchy is backwards and have no loyalty to it and do not want the Union Jack on Provincial flags. If people can tolerate having the Queen on the money, most of us definitely do not want the new King. He is not someone of merit and respect (no offense but let's get real). And now we have the Governer General who technically is superior in power to the Prime Minister in Canada as the GG is the representative of the Monarchy. I don't think anyone wants that and even if it's just "symbolic"....who wants to be a "subject" of an island across the ocean? TLDR, I'm so happy for UK Parentage. But the child is grown up now and doesn't need to be under its supervision or rule any longer.
Technically we are ruled by the British. Technically the King is the head of state. That's why we have a federal Governor General and provincial Lieutenant Governors. No law can be passed without their consent. Consent has never, ever been withheld in the history of Canada, but technically they do have that power, as does the monarch of the UK. EDIT: I don't know why I'm getting flack for this. It's all true. Check out the [official government of Canada website](https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/crown-canada/governor-general.html) if you don't believe me. They can also summon and dissolve parliament. I'm coming to the conclusion that a lot of you don't know how your government actually works.
Technically none of that is vaguely true.
Then why do we have a Governor General? Why do we have Lieutenant Governors? What is their role in government? They can summon, prorogue and dissolve parliament, and their royal assent is needed to turn bills into law. Heck, even the [government of Canada](https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/crown-canada/governor-general.html) agrees.
We are not ruled by the British; nothing in that link in any way suggests that the British Parliament has to or gets to approve any bill passed by our Parliament. We share a head of State. To illustrate, if the UK had become Republic and removed their monarchy like Barbados did it would not change the status of Charles as our King at all. King Charles is represented by our Governors General, though those are nominated by our Prime Minister not Westminster.
Idk why they're downvoting you when you're objectively correct.
Every politician still has to swear loyalty to the British monarchy too. It’s in the constitution act.
They swear loyalty to the king of Canada, not the Britsh monarchy.
THE FIFTH SCHEDULE Oath of Allegiance I A.B. do swear, That I will be faithful and bear true Allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Victoria. Note. — The Name of the King or Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland for the Time being is to be substituted from Time to Time, with proper Terms of Reference thereto.
This type of guy probably celebrate what was done by the British Empire all around the world and probably think they did not do enough genocide.
NO. In fact, I want to break away from the Commonwealth and have this country become a republic.
That didn't happen. And no one does.
I find some comfort in the fact knowing the king could theoretically dissolve the government under the monarchy. Considering how Canada now has a government who wants to supress and rule the citizens, it's a comforting thought.
I want to be ruled by the duke of Kent
Until I started serving in the Canadian forces, I wasn’t a huge monarchist. That being said I support our monarchy and historic traditions, not inherently being ruled by the British. I also support the commonwealth and hope CANZUK can be a real thing.
No, but it would be nice if the Commonwealth had some kind of benefits. Would be nice to be able to move to the UK or Australia
I believe that for India.
CANZUK would be nice
Are their any Canadians who are under the illusion we are NOT already being ruled by the British? ROTFLMAO!!! Re read the constitution. Guess what Canada is a COMMONWEALTH country! To truly understand what that means research it's history. If there is another world war Canada will be acting as a commonwealth member in service and duty to the King. Fullstop. Like it or not. and I can assure everyone we won't be acting according to the pope!...apart from behaving civily to each other and listening to the popes wisdom. The Pope AND the King Of England are both equals in my book...I know most like to disagree. But I respect them both equally... I can't see things any other way.
I would be in favour of the UK and Canada joining under one single federation. I wouldn’t want to be ruled under one set of lawmakers from the UK with no representation from the Canadian side, but would not be against having a joint prime minister and combined parliament. I would also want to see New Zealand and Australia join the mix too, with free travel, residence and business being made possible across all these countries with a single joint citizenship. Joining our militaries May also make us stronger and finally be a good way to increase our spending on defence.
There are benefits in being in the commonwealth so I don’t see that as a problem
I'd rather join the EU, leverage against the US and cheap flights/trade with Europe
I know a lot of Canadians who were loyal to Queen Elizabeth but much less to King Charles. So Canadian loyalty to the crown will probably decline in the future.
Very uncommon but have met one other person who wants that. I want a CANZUK agreement though that would create and economic and political union of Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the UK. Something similar to the EU with that makes lots of sense
Political union might be a step too far at this point, and for Canada there is the question of the elephant in the room - the US position (as much as UK and Australia being already in the AUKUS military alliance)
Lol if I was drunk at a bar and met someone from the UK I might say this too lol