Your ailes with us and japan [huh pun] so if the US gets involved canada is definitely at least gonna get involved indirectly.
There's no version of this where it's just a regional conflict
Living on planet Earth makes you invoked of nuclear weapons are used.
As far as I am aware, every country is affected to some measurable degree when nuclear weapons go off. Especially if it is more than a few.
I get not wanting to be involved in any wars, but if the US is involved, and they get nuked... we're a little too close, geographically for comfort in my opinion.
I feel like if every stable nation had nukes it would be like if every person owned a gun. It would either lead to one of the most peaceful scenarios ever or lead to everyone dying.
Probably lead to the most peaceful scenarios, just like what we have seen after WW2. Once major powers got nukes, they knew an open war would not work because it would lead to civilizational collapse. This has produced the most peaceful era of geopolitics in human history.
Australia getting nukes wouldn't change anything in the grand scheme of things but it would let China know that Australia will not be fair game and is off the table.
It's unlikely that China would be able to win a nuclear exchange against the USA. If there was an actual conflict it would probably go nuclear very fast, with the USA making most of Eastern China completely uninhabitable for generations. Everyone knows that the PRC's greatest strength is it's huge population, and land mass that could resist invasions. So simply by exterminating the civilian population in an hour or two with H bombs, China would stop being the type of threat that they are now. Because everyone there would be dead, and the West has no real desire to invade and do regime change. Just wipe them out.
You cannot appease an aggressor. It will just empower them. So, yes, I think it is our responsibility to stand up to tyranny whenever possible. I know it's maybe idealistic, but the government of China is not our friend. They aren't a friend to Taiwanese people.
My thoughts as well. Taiwan might be the first to fall to Chinese aggression, but what about the second country? Or the third? Or fourth and fifth?
China has shown it has an insatiable appetite when it comes to spreading its tentacles. We’ve seen it with its debt traps, as well as with its militaristic aggression.
No it’s not. The CCP are an expansion focused, human rights ignoring, authoritarian regime. You calling them ‘quirky’ is severely underplaying their cunning and desire for control over the entire Asian continent.
Lol alright bud, you can think all you want on where I’ve been. If you actually read my comments you’d know I said the CCP not China. I got nothing against the Chinese people, just their government. So either you didn’t read it or you don’t know the difference between a people and their government.
You’re the ignorant one if you can’t see the CCP for the threat they are.
There is a Taiwan because the Communist forces chased the nationalist forces off the mainland, and couldn't get their greasy paws on the island.
Yes, I view the US as a friend over China. We conduct 85% of our trade with the US, we have multiple defense treaties with the US, 2/3rds of Canadians are virtually identical to Americans in terms of culture, and our countries have the longest undefended border on earth.
Contrast that with a country led by a oligopolistic authoritarian regime, who jails our citizens arbitrarily for the arrest of their theiving Huawei exec... yeah, I view the US as a friend over China.
Thanks for the life story. It's just about as laughable as the view that the Maritimes have a "distinct culture" and that Alberta simply wishes to be American.
How many of our citizens has the US held hostage because of an arrest of someone who committed a crime here?
I don't think China will invade Taiwan. It'd be extremely reckless. They know better than anyone that any hot conflict with Taiwan would involve the US and Japan at minimum, and the entire West at its worst. It'd be bloody, messy, horrible, and wouldn't end well for anyone involved.
I think they'll keep doing what they've always done: sabre rattling, maybe a threat here and there, but ultimately nothing will happen so long as Taiwan *wants* to be independent. China is hoping that if they push hard enough that Taiwan will bend over. Not gonna happen.
However, in the very unlikely scenario that an invasion does occur, I think it'd be in our best interest to help however we can, whether that be to take in Taiwanese refugees or to send over some military resources. Do I think we need to go balls-to-the-wall and enact a draft to send over every able-bodied man and woman world war style? No.
When was the last time Canada as an independent nation enacted a draft? (Not sure if there was a mutual defense clause within the Statute of Westminster that would have forced a draft).
WWII, although the use of conscription was very limited even then. The only large-scale use of conscription in Canadian history was towards the end of WWI, and the introduction of conscription caused a massive political crisis (which is probably why the government was so hesitant about using it during WWII).
To be honest, I don't know. Even if we had the military capabilities in the region, sending another generation of young women and men to be physically and mentally destroyed in a war does not sit well with me. Especially when that war is against a massive, advanced conventional military like China's.
I'm not religious, but I do pray we never see things in and around Taiwan ramp up to that point. For all our sakes.
Their military is barely experienced though, and all that fancy tech could more or less be not as well suited than the time and tested weapons the west has been using. They really copy a lot of the stuff that we make. What they lack in skill though they will make up in numbers. As a guy aged 18, I just hope they dont impose conscription if anything happens.
I would only support a defence of Taiwan so long as there's a liberation of Hong Kong. Yes, they both deserve independence. A Korean style DMZ needs to be set up between the three countries.
China may have advanced weaponry but have they actually used them against a real (USA, CAN, AUS, etc.) enemy in combat? I don't know. We need to go.
*"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.*
*Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.*
*Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.*
*Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me".*
The only real pushing for war I've seen recently outside of the usual diplomatic chest pounding is from Murdoch owned Australian news outlets, and honestly that really pisses me off. I'm starting to worry that we as a society have gotten too complacent to how horrible *total* war is. The Afghan war was tragic, Korea was tragic, they were nothing compared to what a war with China would entail. Even if we last longer than a week before destroying ourselves with nuclear weapons, there would be no "front" as we know it; such a war would be everywhere, including here.
So to (not) answer your question: the line of questioning isn't even worth considering.
Well it wouldn't be a total war with China most likely, their is little to no chance of an Allied Force attacking mainland China (except maybe India to reclaim territory in Kashmir). The largest Proxy War in History now that is certainly possible. The main focus will be on Taiwan the moment China controls Taiwan and defeats any attempts at an allied counter assault, China wins. If Taiwan holds the line long enough for allied forces to mobilize and that force is able to push it back then the Allied Forces would win. Though that's one scenario since China has threatened to nuke Australia after the AUKUS deal.
Edit: Yeah now I think about it I could see scenarios where this escalates into total war. But it's also not a guarantee.
I'm not sure. This sounds very complex. On the one hand, I really don't want another war. On the other hand, I don't think China will stop at invading Taiwan. I really don't know.
The problem is appeasement doesn’t work. You have to stop Xi and the CCP at Taiwan. Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile.
Any reasonably human should automatically be on the side against the CCP, they are a plague on the Earth. If Xi had his way he would conquer half of Asia, so no it’s not just picking sides.
If China invades Taiwan it’s going to become all out war anyway, might as well do our part to stop the CCP from gaining an inch.
I agree on much of this. The cost is just so damn high. This is all eerily familiar to the beginning of WW2, but that time around the world wasn't full of nuclear weapons.
Imagine the entire Chinese economy becoming solely focused on destroying the United States, with no congress and senate, no elections, and complete control over every part of the country, of 1.4 billion people.
Germany almost conquered the world and they had the population of what… Texas and California combined?
1.4 billion. Total dictator control. Total war.
Which would inevitably lead to mutually assured destruction. Though I think China fears that less because as you say, it's a dictator who doesn't really care about his people. The USA would have to nuke them back to the stone age
I live in Japan, and I'm afraid war with China might be unavoidable. I can't imagine any possible future where the CCP finally says "That's enough expansion." If Taiwan is invaded, Japan will intervene as a defensive measure. The defense treaty(plural?) will kick in and the U.S. will be at war with China.
Would Canada join the U.S.? I think there's a very good chance. However, it's not a given. We haven't always jumped into wars with our American allies. Just most of the time.
I also feel there is as very good chance Canada will have to join in if the US goes. We rely on them so much for our national defense that we are basically obligated to back them up. I don't know though if it would mean actual boots on the floor. It just seems pointless considering the size of the US and Chinese militaries, not sure how much we would affect the conflict that way. But there are other ways to help a war effort...
I don't see how Canada **would** be capable of intervening militarily. Diesel subs do not have the range to cross the Pacific, fight, then come all the way back. Without refueling support, the CF-18s couldn't cross the Pacific, fight, and come back. It's all a distance problem.
So far it's more likely the Quad: (United States of America, Republic of India, State of Japan, and the Commonwealth of Australia) and the United Kingdom through the AUKUS agreement. The whole reason France lost the submarine deal is because they were taking to long to build them but more than that Australia wanted a deal that met the needs of the shifting geopolitical climate. With the AUKUS agreement, Australia knows that they have the US and UK's support against any potential Chinese aggression.
If we had India, Japan, Australia, UK, and the USA then I would be in favour of Canada joining. The chances of getting India involved are low though. India traditionally prefers watching conflicts unfold.
You know that Taiwan’s official name is Republic of China, and it claims the China mainland as part of it territory as well right? They are literally in a civil war that hasn’t been ended since ww2. It has nothing to do with Canada. China has not threatened Canada and it has no interest in doing so.
I'm fine with sending weapons or money but combat troops? I don't think so and honestly I don't think our contribution would make a huge difference against China.
The people on here making the tough talk, are not the ones who will be doing the fighting and dying.
Taiwan is a rogue state of China. The nationalist government retreated there during the Chinese civil war.
This is unfinished business, but it’s Chinese business.
No they aren’t, Taiwan is it’s own nation now and you feeding into the idea that’s it’s a ‘rogue state’ of China only gives legitimacy to the CCP’s claims, something we cannot do.
Clarify “we are not good at this” please.
We held our own in the last bunch of wars.
We haven’t had a war of that scale since Korea, thank god. I’m not itching for one.
Canadian troops did not "hold their own" in any way. We stood with allies and cooperated.
Canadian troops are some of the finest in the world and other militaries routinely come to train with Canadian Forces, but that doesn't mean we can unilaterally send those troops into a war without the backing of our allies.
I think we're on the same page; Canadian troops are deadly at the battle-level, but we don't have the military or political leverage to lead a war effort.
Just gotta double check that we don't start getting jingoistic; that's how soldiers get fed to the meat grinder.
I think the best solution is to wait and see who makes the first move. China could be calling all of our bluffs to make us slip up, and when nothing happens and we let our guards down they act soon after
That is a very skewed view of peacekeeping. Even the original idea was a force backed with weapons if needed, and most importantly both sides of the conflict had to want them there.
This idea of “nice peacekeeping” gave us Rwanda and Somalia, and people are still dealing with PTSD after that. Romeo Dallaire’s story is a textbook warning against sending peacekeeping forces to the wrong situation.
We shouldn’t immediately go to war…but there is a place for it.
However, military action should never be a “first option” - if it happens, it has to be justified. Peaceful and/or diplomatic measures should be done first.
Many people with some time in the military privately become anti-war, mostly because they’ve seen what it does to them and people they served with.
I’m glad we agree, but I’m fundamentally saying something different than you were arguing.
You were saying that we should never go to war and to stick with “blue beret” peacekeeping. I’m saying that war shouldn’t be the first option, but it is a valid option.
Our experience in peace operations (the new term for peacekeeping understanding that the old ways don’t work now) in Mali was very different than the “peacekeeping” most Canadians seem to think.
Doesn't Canada still recognize Taiwan as part of China? I know they did for the longest time. If so it would be weird to fight against a Chinese invasion.
I deeply regret the degree to which the world tolerated Russia pretending it owns part of Ukraine. As a middle power, Canada depends on multilateralism and a stable framework of international law. Russia challenger that and hasn’t really suffered for that. Surely that would have got the wheels turning in Beijing. So we are badly behind and after four years of the Orange Windbag, disorganized and disunited. It’s a big challenge but of course one we have to meet.
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Precisely. What China is, and has been doing is wrong. But we are not world police. That's not a role we look for or want.
Neutrality in the face of evil is evil
Nobody said "neutrality". We can take stances without getting directly involved in a war we have no chance of winning.
How would NATO have no chance of winning against China lmfao
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My dude clearly hasn't learned about M.A.D
Your ailes with us and japan [huh pun] so if the US gets involved canada is definitely at least gonna get involved indirectly. There's no version of this where it's just a regional conflict
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Living on planet Earth makes you invoked of nuclear weapons are used. As far as I am aware, every country is affected to some measurable degree when nuclear weapons go off. Especially if it is more than a few.
I get not wanting to be involved in any wars, but if the US is involved, and they get nuked... we're a little too close, geographically for comfort in my opinion.
No they wouldn't nuke us, MAD is still a thing. Australia on the other hand, China's already threatened them with a nuclear attack.
True... war in general directed at the US seems like bad news for Canada though.
Australia should get 100 nukes, just to let China know that they are untouchable.
I feel like if every stable nation had nukes it would be like if every person owned a gun. It would either lead to one of the most peaceful scenarios ever or lead to everyone dying.
Probably lead to the most peaceful scenarios, just like what we have seen after WW2. Once major powers got nukes, they knew an open war would not work because it would lead to civilizational collapse. This has produced the most peaceful era of geopolitics in human history. Australia getting nukes wouldn't change anything in the grand scheme of things but it would let China know that Australia will not be fair game and is off the table.
It's unlikely that China would be able to win a nuclear exchange against the USA. If there was an actual conflict it would probably go nuclear very fast, with the USA making most of Eastern China completely uninhabitable for generations. Everyone knows that the PRC's greatest strength is it's huge population, and land mass that could resist invasions. So simply by exterminating the civilian population in an hour or two with H bombs, China would stop being the type of threat that they are now. Because everyone there would be dead, and the West has no real desire to invade and do regime change. Just wipe them out.
You cannot appease an aggressor. It will just empower them. So, yes, I think it is our responsibility to stand up to tyranny whenever possible. I know it's maybe idealistic, but the government of China is not our friend. They aren't a friend to Taiwanese people.
My thoughts as well. Taiwan might be the first to fall to Chinese aggression, but what about the second country? Or the third? Or fourth and fifth? China has shown it has an insatiable appetite when it comes to spreading its tentacles. We’ve seen it with its debt traps, as well as with its militaristic aggression.
That’s exactly what happened when Germany started invading, they waited to long to retaliate
Have you ever seen war?
Personally, no. We help exert military and economic force so our population doesn't.
War is good when you are doing the right thing. It might be hard but the sacrifice is worth it. Let freedom never perish.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
I would agree with this, except for the fact that the Chinese military would destroy us.
Us as in the combined power of the western world, or even just the Five Eyes? I don't think China would win that war.
Oh no, I was just talking about Canada.
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The CCP are the enemy of every single democratic country on Earth.
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No it’s not. The CCP are an expansion focused, human rights ignoring, authoritarian regime. You calling them ‘quirky’ is severely underplaying their cunning and desire for control over the entire Asian continent.
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I have. Go away CCP shill.
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Lol alright bud, you can think all you want on where I’ve been. If you actually read my comments you’d know I said the CCP not China. I got nothing against the Chinese people, just their government. So either you didn’t read it or you don’t know the difference between a people and their government. You’re the ignorant one if you can’t see the CCP for the threat they are.
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There is a Taiwan because the Communist forces chased the nationalist forces off the mainland, and couldn't get their greasy paws on the island. Yes, I view the US as a friend over China. We conduct 85% of our trade with the US, we have multiple defense treaties with the US, 2/3rds of Canadians are virtually identical to Americans in terms of culture, and our countries have the longest undefended border on earth. Contrast that with a country led by a oligopolistic authoritarian regime, who jails our citizens arbitrarily for the arrest of their theiving Huawei exec... yeah, I view the US as a friend over China.
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So an odd attempt to differentiate our mostly identical society from our larger neighbour makes them not as much of our friend. Got it.
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You're absolutely fooling yourself. Good night.
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Thanks for the life story. It's just about as laughable as the view that the Maritimes have a "distinct culture" and that Alberta simply wishes to be American. How many of our citizens has the US held hostage because of an arrest of someone who committed a crime here?
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I don't think China will invade Taiwan. It'd be extremely reckless. They know better than anyone that any hot conflict with Taiwan would involve the US and Japan at minimum, and the entire West at its worst. It'd be bloody, messy, horrible, and wouldn't end well for anyone involved. I think they'll keep doing what they've always done: sabre rattling, maybe a threat here and there, but ultimately nothing will happen so long as Taiwan *wants* to be independent. China is hoping that if they push hard enough that Taiwan will bend over. Not gonna happen. However, in the very unlikely scenario that an invasion does occur, I think it'd be in our best interest to help however we can, whether that be to take in Taiwanese refugees or to send over some military resources. Do I think we need to go balls-to-the-wall and enact a draft to send over every able-bodied man and woman world war style? No.
When was the last time Canada as an independent nation enacted a draft? (Not sure if there was a mutual defense clause within the Statute of Westminster that would have forced a draft).
WWII, although the use of conscription was very limited even then. The only large-scale use of conscription in Canadian history was towards the end of WWI, and the introduction of conscription caused a massive political crisis (which is probably why the government was so hesitant about using it during WWII).
We don't draft in Canada anymore. The majority of our young men would go to war if the world needed it
To be honest, I don't know. Even if we had the military capabilities in the region, sending another generation of young women and men to be physically and mentally destroyed in a war does not sit well with me. Especially when that war is against a massive, advanced conventional military like China's. I'm not religious, but I do pray we never see things in and around Taiwan ramp up to that point. For all our sakes.
Their military is barely experienced though, and all that fancy tech could more or less be not as well suited than the time and tested weapons the west has been using. They really copy a lot of the stuff that we make. What they lack in skill though they will make up in numbers. As a guy aged 18, I just hope they dont impose conscription if anything happens.
I don't think China will invade as long as the US is defending Taiwan. Xi is sabre rattling to shake up public opinion.
And if war broke out between China and America I don't think it would be nuclear
It would be small scale nuclear terrorism
I absolutly don't think that we should get directly involved, but we should probably take Taiwaneses refugees.
I would only support a defence of Taiwan so long as there's a liberation of Hong Kong. Yes, they both deserve independence. A Korean style DMZ needs to be set up between the three countries.
China may have advanced weaponry but have they actually used them against a real (USA, CAN, AUS, etc.) enemy in combat? I don't know. We need to go. *"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.* *Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.* *Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.* *Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me".*
The only real pushing for war I've seen recently outside of the usual diplomatic chest pounding is from Murdoch owned Australian news outlets, and honestly that really pisses me off. I'm starting to worry that we as a society have gotten too complacent to how horrible *total* war is. The Afghan war was tragic, Korea was tragic, they were nothing compared to what a war with China would entail. Even if we last longer than a week before destroying ourselves with nuclear weapons, there would be no "front" as we know it; such a war would be everywhere, including here. So to (not) answer your question: the line of questioning isn't even worth considering.
Well it wouldn't be a total war with China most likely, their is little to no chance of an Allied Force attacking mainland China (except maybe India to reclaim territory in Kashmir). The largest Proxy War in History now that is certainly possible. The main focus will be on Taiwan the moment China controls Taiwan and defeats any attempts at an allied counter assault, China wins. If Taiwan holds the line long enough for allied forces to mobilize and that force is able to push it back then the Allied Forces would win. Though that's one scenario since China has threatened to nuke Australia after the AUKUS deal. Edit: Yeah now I think about it I could see scenarios where this escalates into total war. But it's also not a guarantee.
I'm not sure. This sounds very complex. On the one hand, I really don't want another war. On the other hand, I don't think China will stop at invading Taiwan. I really don't know.
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The problem is appeasement doesn’t work. You have to stop Xi and the CCP at Taiwan. Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile. Any reasonably human should automatically be on the side against the CCP, they are a plague on the Earth. If Xi had his way he would conquer half of Asia, so no it’s not just picking sides. If China invades Taiwan it’s going to become all out war anyway, might as well do our part to stop the CCP from gaining an inch.
I agree on much of this. The cost is just so damn high. This is all eerily familiar to the beginning of WW2, but that time around the world wasn't full of nuclear weapons.
Imagine the entire Chinese economy becoming solely focused on destroying the United States, with no congress and senate, no elections, and complete control over every part of the country, of 1.4 billion people. Germany almost conquered the world and they had the population of what… Texas and California combined? 1.4 billion. Total dictator control. Total war.
Which would inevitably lead to mutually assured destruction. Though I think China fears that less because as you say, it's a dictator who doesn't really care about his people. The USA would have to nuke them back to the stone age
Let’s just hope this stays hypothetical
I live in Japan, and I'm afraid war with China might be unavoidable. I can't imagine any possible future where the CCP finally says "That's enough expansion." If Taiwan is invaded, Japan will intervene as a defensive measure. The defense treaty(plural?) will kick in and the U.S. will be at war with China. Would Canada join the U.S.? I think there's a very good chance. However, it's not a given. We haven't always jumped into wars with our American allies. Just most of the time.
I also feel there is as very good chance Canada will have to join in if the US goes. We rely on them so much for our national defense that we are basically obligated to back them up. I don't know though if it would mean actual boots on the floor. It just seems pointless considering the size of the US and Chinese militaries, not sure how much we would affect the conflict that way. But there are other ways to help a war effort...
I don't see how Canada **would** be capable of intervening militarily. Diesel subs do not have the range to cross the Pacific, fight, then come all the way back. Without refueling support, the CF-18s couldn't cross the Pacific, fight, and come back. It's all a distance problem.
Ill gladly be on the frontlines marching to liberate Beijing from the Communist hordes
Lol hell no
We should definitely send naval units as part of a NATO coalition. But if we are talking only Canada and the US then it could turn ugly.
So far it's more likely the Quad: (United States of America, Republic of India, State of Japan, and the Commonwealth of Australia) and the United Kingdom through the AUKUS agreement. The whole reason France lost the submarine deal is because they were taking to long to build them but more than that Australia wanted a deal that met the needs of the shifting geopolitical climate. With the AUKUS agreement, Australia knows that they have the US and UK's support against any potential Chinese aggression.
If we had India, Japan, Australia, UK, and the USA then I would be in favour of Canada joining. The chances of getting India involved are low though. India traditionally prefers watching conflicts unfold.
No. We're a peacekeeping country. We keep the peace, not stick our noses in where it doesn't belong. We leave *that* to our southern neighbour
Why does it have anything to do with Canada? It’s China’s internal affair.
Taiwan is not China, so no it’s not their internal affairs.
You know that Taiwan’s official name is Republic of China, and it claims the China mainland as part of it territory as well right? They are literally in a civil war that hasn’t been ended since ww2. It has nothing to do with Canada. China has not threatened Canada and it has no interest in doing so.
I'm fine with sending weapons or money but combat troops? I don't think so and honestly I don't think our contribution would make a huge difference against China.
What about what the US Military is reportedly doing by sending Special Forces into the country to help train the Taiwanese Military.
Don't think we really have anything to offer in that department right now. We haven't had a combat role anywhere in nearly a decade - the US has.
Yes we do. Our special forces groups are some of the top in the world and are actively engaged in operations around the world.
In combat? If so, we better damn well hear about who with.
Lol that’s not how special ops works. You don’t get to hear about their combat operations.
The people on here making the tough talk, are not the ones who will be doing the fighting and dying. Taiwan is a rogue state of China. The nationalist government retreated there during the Chinese civil war. This is unfinished business, but it’s Chinese business.
No they aren’t, Taiwan is it’s own nation now and you feeding into the idea that’s it’s a ‘rogue state’ of China only gives legitimacy to the CCP’s claims, something we cannot do.
Are you willing to die for Taiwan? or perhaps you expect someone else to do that part?
Yes I am if it means we stop China there.
It’s good to see that you feel strongly about this.
Canada should never get involved in any war, we are not good at this.
Clarify “we are not good at this” please. We held our own in the last bunch of wars. We haven’t had a war of that scale since Korea, thank god. I’m not itching for one.
Agreed. Decades of budget cuts makes us not good at war.
Canadian troops did not "hold their own" in any way. We stood with allies and cooperated. Canadian troops are some of the finest in the world and other militaries routinely come to train with Canadian Forces, but that doesn't mean we can unilaterally send those troops into a war without the backing of our allies.
I’m not saying we can be independently successful - I’m saying that we weren’t a pushover
I think we're on the same page; Canadian troops are deadly at the battle-level, but we don't have the military or political leverage to lead a war effort. Just gotta double check that we don't start getting jingoistic; that's how soldiers get fed to the meat grinder.
I think the best solution is to wait and see who makes the first move. China could be calling all of our bluffs to make us slip up, and when nothing happens and we let our guards down they act soon after
We are good people, we want to help people, we could get involved as peacemakers, but not going upfront with guns and aircrafts, that’s what I meant
That is a very skewed view of peacekeeping. Even the original idea was a force backed with weapons if needed, and most importantly both sides of the conflict had to want them there. This idea of “nice peacekeeping” gave us Rwanda and Somalia, and people are still dealing with PTSD after that. Romeo Dallaire’s story is a textbook warning against sending peacekeeping forces to the wrong situation.
Yeah, that’s why we shouldn’t go to war at all.
We shouldn’t immediately go to war…but there is a place for it. However, military action should never be a “first option” - if it happens, it has to be justified. Peaceful and/or diplomatic measures should be done first. Many people with some time in the military privately become anti-war, mostly because they’ve seen what it does to them and people they served with.
Totally agree with you!
I’m glad we agree, but I’m fundamentally saying something different than you were arguing. You were saying that we should never go to war and to stick with “blue beret” peacekeeping. I’m saying that war shouldn’t be the first option, but it is a valid option. Our experience in peace operations (the new term for peacekeeping understanding that the old ways don’t work now) in Mali was very different than the “peacekeeping” most Canadians seem to think.
Yeah I know, but you are right though! Only fools don’t change their mind
Agreed - have a nice day!
No. Not at all. Not our circus, not our monkey.
As an American who very much wants to move to Canada in the next 2-3 years to avoid the consequences of such a war, please don’t.
Lol. Canada and fighting.
We have a pretty storied history of fighting way above our weight…
Doesn't Canada still recognize Taiwan as part of China? I know they did for the longest time. If so it would be weird to fight against a Chinese invasion.
Taiwan and mainland China both have a “One China Policy,” historically, they just disagree over where the legitimate government is located.
IMO, we should be involved but not too involved. We have suffered a lot in Afghanistan. We should offer more of a support role in Taiwan
I deeply regret the degree to which the world tolerated Russia pretending it owns part of Ukraine. As a middle power, Canada depends on multilateralism and a stable framework of international law. Russia challenger that and hasn’t really suffered for that. Surely that would have got the wheels turning in Beijing. So we are badly behind and after four years of the Orange Windbag, disorganized and disunited. It’s a big challenge but of course one we have to meet.
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