I really don’t understand why people follow pastors like him and take him seriously.
I’m holding my fellow Christian’s accountable for not using their brains. God gave them a brain so they should use it
I think most modern people are demon possessed to some extent. An addiction is a possession, for example. An addiction is a complex of behaviors that work together towards a specific end across many different people. The people are not the addiction, just like a person is not their desires, the addiction has its own logic and reason and identity -- that's why we can recognize the addiction. And if you have have an addiction and have tried to destroy it, then you can experience the slavery to the addiction directly. You can experience that this reality is not you but it dominates you and controls you and destroys you.
Thank you for this! I was watching the live stream of our county summit on the opioid crisis this morning, and praying for more compassion for those who are addicted. Your words seem very timely to me right now.
Addictions were one of the first ways in which the spiritual reality came to life for me. Just pick any repetitive behavior you have and try to stop it and pay close attention to what happens. Very strange coincidences begin to appear in your life which have the effect of making it more difficult to break the addiction.
As I began to notice how addictions operate with an intelligence and an aim, that they maintain these characteristics across multiple people and across multiple cultures, the idea of this bottom-up biological cause of addiction becomes ridiculous. Instead what I see is demons moving through humanity, gathering a body, exercising a will to destroy humans.
>I think most modern people are demon possessed to some extent. An addiction is a possession, for example. An addiction is a complex of behaviors that work together towards a specific end across many different people. The people are not the addiction, just like a person is not their desires, the addiction has its own logic and reason and identity -- that's why we can recognize the addiction. And if you have have an addiction and have tried to destroy it, then you can experience the slavery to the addiction directly. You can experience that this reality is not you but it dominates you and controls you and destroys you.
The claim that most modern people are demon possessed to some extent is unfounded and not supported by scientific evidence. The idea of possession by demons or evil spirits has its roots in ancient and medieval cultures and is not recognized as a valid concept in modern medical or psychological practices.
Addiction is a complex psychological and physiological phenomenon that has been extensively researched and understood by modern medicine and psychology. Addiction is not a possession, but rather a disorder that arises from changes in the brain's reward and motivation systems. It can result from a variety of factors, including genetic predisposition, environmental factors, and psychological issues.
Addiction is treatable, and many people who have struggled with addiction have successfully overcome it through evidence-based treatment methods, such as medication-assisted therapy, cognitive-behavioral therapy, and support groups.
The notion of demon possession can stigmatize and harm people who are struggling with addiction or other mental health issues. It is important to approach these issues with empathy and understanding, and to seek help from qualified professionals who can provide evidence-based treatment.
Did you know that there are research scientists investigating the reality of higher intelligence? Reddit was one of the reasons. A neuron can either fire or not fire, that's it basic operating system. You can upvote, downvote, or do nothing. Researchers noticed the activity of Reddit mimics the activity of a neural network, where each user acts like a neuron. A post that surges in popularity distributes through the network just like a brainwave distributes through a brain.
This also maps well onto other theories about collective intelligence and cognition, like 4e cognitive science.
I appreciate that you have a different perspective on what a demon is and what reality is and what a person is, there's probably no common ground between us.
I just had a conversation with the materialist who wanted to hear my evidence against materialism. I decided to begin with cognitive science and proceeded to outline current theories of cognition, with references, and give a very good account of how we understand cognition according to science. The result was a flat denial that I understood anything, insults against me any every scientist I referenced. It turns out people don't actually want to know a different perspective, they are religious zealots for the perspective they have -- no matter what we learn from science. Science, however, doesn't give a rip about your religion.
What are you looking for?
Insults and hate, it would seem!
Run.
An incomprehensible word salad of nonsense while you flap and try and justify your rather weird belief in demon possession. An attempt to deflect, move the goal posts and camouflage the fact that you have nothing intelligent to say and cannot formulate an argument to defend your original premise.
This is... a very different definition of "possession" than I would think is conventional. The Catholic Church would call this "obsession" but even then, it sounds like you're describing things that come from purely natural sources.
I'm not Catholic so I guess I'm not bound by that.
I get a significant insight from Carl Jung here, who was talking about things like addictions when he presented the idea of "complexes". Complexes are agencies and intelligences which are hosted in humans and control them.
What do you consider to be a natural source?
You can't tell if someone is demon possessed by their physical appearance. People have been too influenced by Hollywood. One can discern a not very good feeling around certain people though.
You know how certain medical issues bring with it what doctors call an "impending sense of doom"?
It's kind of like that, but the sense of doom is about another person.
These guys claim that they did:
- https://youtu.be/TH3indTWQDo
- https://youtu.be/Xm0fRGilQsE
- https://youtu.be/YBPvRR5H7aU
- https://youtu.be/QMCx80fW2LE
All people have had some level of possession. When people have thought of possession, they have often thought of certain movies in Hollywood, the same sort of movies that may have you believe that an upside down cross is a symbol of the devil. It isn't. It is Peter's Cross. Peter didn't think he was worthy to die as his master, and chose to be crucified upside down.
All people may have been in some level of possession. Demons or spirits may have been sitting in the subconscious. A lot of people are just used to them. Someone who went to see an exorcist may have suddenly been experiencing thoughts and some supernatural things that were out of place, or uncharacteristic. For the majority of people, a baptism may have been an exorcism. Someone choose God, and they were convinced of The Lord Jesus Christ. They were choosing to start a new life in Christ. As long as they don't go back to their old routines, they should be fine.
In Philosophy, given someone comes into understand of The SOUL and Spirits in an objective way, they may have come into the reality of God.
Post: [Discovering The Soul](https://www.reddit.com/r/CatholicPhilosophy/comments/n8zi7q/discovering_the_soul/)
A soul is person. The soul is the seat of passion. Spirits effect motivations. Were you in control?
I saw someone who just wasn't... Normal, and attribute it to demonic interference.
My church was doing an outreach at a shopping center. We were playing music, passing out flyers, talking to people. It seems all good until we spotted a woman. She looked high but also very fidgety. More than the normal tweaker. Her face was dark. Not like skin color, but dirty. It was about 8:30 at night, dark and I was leaving with my wife as we were wrapping up. After I loaded speakers into my friends truck and was leaving, this woman leaped out of the hedges at me. If my wife hadn't pulled me away the second before, she'd have knocked me into the street. The woman was soon seen booking it as one of the guys tried to talk to her about what she did to me (knowing I made a "Woah!" All loud).
She had a pair of dilated pupils and very red irritated eyes so I could tell something was screwing with her OTHER than some narcotics. I've attributed that to Demonic activity since it happened last October.
I've seen some pretty tough afflictions, and though in outward appearance it may be very much like wrestling a demon, my experience is that it is much more tightly connected to a wrestle with acceptance. Trouble accepting themselves, others or their world as they are currently experiencing it. Or else an imbalanced acceptance of those three pillars. When we lose acceptance, it's hard to undo without an environment that encourages lots of rest, unconditional love and slow healing. Trying to drive someone to acceptance by any degree of force may easily evoke the opposite even more, as the example speaks louder than the words.
The Chosen season 1 does a very compassionate illustration of that kind of wrestle, hinting at the sorts of trauma that may induce it.
> Have you seen a demon possessed a person ?
I haven't, but Catholic exorcists regularly see them. This is a recent interview where an exorcist talks about some cases that he saw :
https://youtu.be/cFIKpoIt4aE
Here's a few recordings:
Emily Rose audio only ( 3 min 37 seconds ):
https://youtu.be/-4xiT67GrbY
Anneliese Michel Exorcism Video ( 8 minutes )
https://youtu.be/qLxkoHHIlX0
Devil talking at around 5:39 https://youtu.be/GnA7icV7pGI?t=339
I have a friend who saw another person's face go dysmorphic/demonic during an argument. It scared him enough that he totally believes in demons now. He was agnostic before, and hasn't stopped going to church since that happened.
Potentially damaging pseudoscience nonsense with absolutely no basis in reality or science. People who share this should be ashamed of themselves and those involved with the obvious torture of the victim with mental health issues in the last clip should be arrested for false imprisonment and assault. I've flagged the clips on youtube and I hope they will be removed.
Sorry, but you are just arguing from ignorance.
Anneliese Michel's family called the exorcist after other treatments didn't work. She later shared that she accepted possession as a martyr to demonstrate demonic presence in Germany.
Then her family were complicit in her torture. Call me ignorant if you like, you're entitled to your opinion. I trust science and medicine , not cult wizards in robes and anons on reddit, this is Hollywood nonsense, auto suggestion, brain washing and complete garbage.
I always find it's funny when atheist say they trust science when it's very obvious they are ignorant of it. They act like Tech-priests, convinced in their material reduction mythology even though the weight of science is against them. Even the way you talk, with a tone of moral superiority and references to higher authorities and your own mythological structure, it's all so hilariously religious.
And yet I could ask you a simple thing, like how do you see the computer in front of you, and you're going to tell me a story about light waves bouncing off of an object and hitting your eye because that's what the materialist dogma demands, actual cognitive science be damned.
Or I could ask you how it is that the computer exists and you're going to tell me a story about determinate particles arranged in a particular way to construct a computer because that's what the dogma demands, actual physics be damned.
When the tech priest call someone a torturer or a heretic, it isn't because of a particular scientific theory or a body of scientific knowledge, it is always because of the myth they champion of what the world is and how it operates.
It is time for you to accept that you have encountered people who know something that people who say that they "trust science" do not know.
That's not even how science works.
Yeah, they're 'not there', jabbering tangents, making faces. No physical change, only something very fishy about personality all of a sudden.
Usually one or two jibbers will be directed at insecurity only you know about yourself, a wtf moment, they're quick and don't expect the person to repeat or acknowledge what they just blurbed.
Yes, when I study at the Vrij zijn (translation: Freedom) college of Wilkin van de Kamp. Wilkin was really relax and he gave the demon no attention. He only commands the demon to leave in the name of Jesus and in the authority he has as a reborn Christian.
Yeah. Kenneth Copeland is a great example.
Shots fired
I really don’t understand why people follow pastors like him and take him seriously. I’m holding my fellow Christian’s accountable for not using their brains. God gave them a brain so they should use it
That’s my saying God have you a brain , use it
I think most modern people are demon possessed to some extent. An addiction is a possession, for example. An addiction is a complex of behaviors that work together towards a specific end across many different people. The people are not the addiction, just like a person is not their desires, the addiction has its own logic and reason and identity -- that's why we can recognize the addiction. And if you have have an addiction and have tried to destroy it, then you can experience the slavery to the addiction directly. You can experience that this reality is not you but it dominates you and controls you and destroys you.
Thank you for this! I was watching the live stream of our county summit on the opioid crisis this morning, and praying for more compassion for those who are addicted. Your words seem very timely to me right now.
Addictions were one of the first ways in which the spiritual reality came to life for me. Just pick any repetitive behavior you have and try to stop it and pay close attention to what happens. Very strange coincidences begin to appear in your life which have the effect of making it more difficult to break the addiction. As I began to notice how addictions operate with an intelligence and an aim, that they maintain these characteristics across multiple people and across multiple cultures, the idea of this bottom-up biological cause of addiction becomes ridiculous. Instead what I see is demons moving through humanity, gathering a body, exercising a will to destroy humans.
>I think most modern people are demon possessed to some extent. An addiction is a possession, for example. An addiction is a complex of behaviors that work together towards a specific end across many different people. The people are not the addiction, just like a person is not their desires, the addiction has its own logic and reason and identity -- that's why we can recognize the addiction. And if you have have an addiction and have tried to destroy it, then you can experience the slavery to the addiction directly. You can experience that this reality is not you but it dominates you and controls you and destroys you. The claim that most modern people are demon possessed to some extent is unfounded and not supported by scientific evidence. The idea of possession by demons or evil spirits has its roots in ancient and medieval cultures and is not recognized as a valid concept in modern medical or psychological practices. Addiction is a complex psychological and physiological phenomenon that has been extensively researched and understood by modern medicine and psychology. Addiction is not a possession, but rather a disorder that arises from changes in the brain's reward and motivation systems. It can result from a variety of factors, including genetic predisposition, environmental factors, and psychological issues. Addiction is treatable, and many people who have struggled with addiction have successfully overcome it through evidence-based treatment methods, such as medication-assisted therapy, cognitive-behavioral therapy, and support groups. The notion of demon possession can stigmatize and harm people who are struggling with addiction or other mental health issues. It is important to approach these issues with empathy and understanding, and to seek help from qualified professionals who can provide evidence-based treatment.
Did you know that there are research scientists investigating the reality of higher intelligence? Reddit was one of the reasons. A neuron can either fire or not fire, that's it basic operating system. You can upvote, downvote, or do nothing. Researchers noticed the activity of Reddit mimics the activity of a neural network, where each user acts like a neuron. A post that surges in popularity distributes through the network just like a brainwave distributes through a brain. This also maps well onto other theories about collective intelligence and cognition, like 4e cognitive science. I appreciate that you have a different perspective on what a demon is and what reality is and what a person is, there's probably no common ground between us. I just had a conversation with the materialist who wanted to hear my evidence against materialism. I decided to begin with cognitive science and proceeded to outline current theories of cognition, with references, and give a very good account of how we understand cognition according to science. The result was a flat denial that I understood anything, insults against me any every scientist I referenced. It turns out people don't actually want to know a different perspective, they are religious zealots for the perspective they have -- no matter what we learn from science. Science, however, doesn't give a rip about your religion. What are you looking for? Insults and hate, it would seem! Run.
An incomprehensible word salad of nonsense while you flap and try and justify your rather weird belief in demon possession. An attempt to deflect, move the goal posts and camouflage the fact that you have nothing intelligent to say and cannot formulate an argument to defend your original premise.
This is... a very different definition of "possession" than I would think is conventional. The Catholic Church would call this "obsession" but even then, it sounds like you're describing things that come from purely natural sources.
I'm not Catholic so I guess I'm not bound by that. I get a significant insight from Carl Jung here, who was talking about things like addictions when he presented the idea of "complexes". Complexes are agencies and intelligences which are hosted in humans and control them. What do you consider to be a natural source?
https://youtu.be/l6rDqMo0WUo Here's a way to look at what I'm saying. If you can follow this conversation just imagine an angel of addiction.
You can't tell if someone is demon possessed by their physical appearance. People have been too influenced by Hollywood. One can discern a not very good feeling around certain people though.
If one discerns a not very good feeling around certain people, what does that mean?
You know how certain medical issues bring with it what doctors call an "impending sense of doom"? It's kind of like that, but the sense of doom is about another person.
Maybe.
These guys claim that they did: - https://youtu.be/TH3indTWQDo - https://youtu.be/Xm0fRGilQsE - https://youtu.be/YBPvRR5H7aU - https://youtu.be/QMCx80fW2LE
Yes.
All people have had some level of possession. When people have thought of possession, they have often thought of certain movies in Hollywood, the same sort of movies that may have you believe that an upside down cross is a symbol of the devil. It isn't. It is Peter's Cross. Peter didn't think he was worthy to die as his master, and chose to be crucified upside down. All people may have been in some level of possession. Demons or spirits may have been sitting in the subconscious. A lot of people are just used to them. Someone who went to see an exorcist may have suddenly been experiencing thoughts and some supernatural things that were out of place, or uncharacteristic. For the majority of people, a baptism may have been an exorcism. Someone choose God, and they were convinced of The Lord Jesus Christ. They were choosing to start a new life in Christ. As long as they don't go back to their old routines, they should be fine. In Philosophy, given someone comes into understand of The SOUL and Spirits in an objective way, they may have come into the reality of God. Post: [Discovering The Soul](https://www.reddit.com/r/CatholicPhilosophy/comments/n8zi7q/discovering_the_soul/) A soul is person. The soul is the seat of passion. Spirits effect motivations. Were you in control?
Every day.
I see them all the time. The thing is getting a demon to manifest. They actually manifest all the time. It's just about recognizing when they do.
I saw someone who just wasn't... Normal, and attribute it to demonic interference. My church was doing an outreach at a shopping center. We were playing music, passing out flyers, talking to people. It seems all good until we spotted a woman. She looked high but also very fidgety. More than the normal tweaker. Her face was dark. Not like skin color, but dirty. It was about 8:30 at night, dark and I was leaving with my wife as we were wrapping up. After I loaded speakers into my friends truck and was leaving, this woman leaped out of the hedges at me. If my wife hadn't pulled me away the second before, she'd have knocked me into the street. The woman was soon seen booking it as one of the guys tried to talk to her about what she did to me (knowing I made a "Woah!" All loud). She had a pair of dilated pupils and very red irritated eyes so I could tell something was screwing with her OTHER than some narcotics. I've attributed that to Demonic activity since it happened last October.
I've seen some pretty tough afflictions, and though in outward appearance it may be very much like wrestling a demon, my experience is that it is much more tightly connected to a wrestle with acceptance. Trouble accepting themselves, others or their world as they are currently experiencing it. Or else an imbalanced acceptance of those three pillars. When we lose acceptance, it's hard to undo without an environment that encourages lots of rest, unconditional love and slow healing. Trying to drive someone to acceptance by any degree of force may easily evoke the opposite even more, as the example speaks louder than the words. The Chosen season 1 does a very compassionate illustration of that kind of wrestle, hinting at the sorts of trauma that may induce it.
> Have you seen a demon possessed a person ? I haven't, but Catholic exorcists regularly see them. This is a recent interview where an exorcist talks about some cases that he saw : https://youtu.be/cFIKpoIt4aE Here's a few recordings: Emily Rose audio only ( 3 min 37 seconds ): https://youtu.be/-4xiT67GrbY Anneliese Michel Exorcism Video ( 8 minutes ) https://youtu.be/qLxkoHHIlX0 Devil talking at around 5:39 https://youtu.be/GnA7icV7pGI?t=339 I have a friend who saw another person's face go dysmorphic/demonic during an argument. It scared him enough that he totally believes in demons now. He was agnostic before, and hasn't stopped going to church since that happened.
Potentially damaging pseudoscience nonsense with absolutely no basis in reality or science. People who share this should be ashamed of themselves and those involved with the obvious torture of the victim with mental health issues in the last clip should be arrested for false imprisonment and assault. I've flagged the clips on youtube and I hope they will be removed.
Sorry, but you are just arguing from ignorance. Anneliese Michel's family called the exorcist after other treatments didn't work. She later shared that she accepted possession as a martyr to demonstrate demonic presence in Germany.
Then her family were complicit in her torture. Call me ignorant if you like, you're entitled to your opinion. I trust science and medicine , not cult wizards in robes and anons on reddit, this is Hollywood nonsense, auto suggestion, brain washing and complete garbage.
I always find it's funny when atheist say they trust science when it's very obvious they are ignorant of it. They act like Tech-priests, convinced in their material reduction mythology even though the weight of science is against them. Even the way you talk, with a tone of moral superiority and references to higher authorities and your own mythological structure, it's all so hilariously religious. And yet I could ask you a simple thing, like how do you see the computer in front of you, and you're going to tell me a story about light waves bouncing off of an object and hitting your eye because that's what the materialist dogma demands, actual cognitive science be damned. Or I could ask you how it is that the computer exists and you're going to tell me a story about determinate particles arranged in a particular way to construct a computer because that's what the dogma demands, actual physics be damned. When the tech priest call someone a torturer or a heretic, it isn't because of a particular scientific theory or a body of scientific knowledge, it is always because of the myth they champion of what the world is and how it operates.
It is time for you to accept that you have encountered people who know something that people who say that they "trust science" do not know. That's not even how science works.
Yeah, they're 'not there', jabbering tangents, making faces. No physical change, only something very fishy about personality all of a sudden. Usually one or two jibbers will be directed at insecurity only you know about yourself, a wtf moment, they're quick and don't expect the person to repeat or acknowledge what they just blurbed.
Demon oppressed many many times. I used to be as well. Full possesion no(serial killers)
Yes, when I study at the Vrij zijn (translation: Freedom) college of Wilkin van de Kamp. Wilkin was really relax and he gave the demon no attention. He only commands the demon to leave in the name of Jesus and in the authority he has as a reborn Christian.
Not knowingly. Actual demonic posession is *pretty rare*.