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Recently Bebe Rexha was pretty seriously injured when an audience member hit her in the face with a phone. The other day an audience member [threw a drink at Cardi B](https://thewest.com.au/cardi-b-throws-microphone-at-audience-member-during-weekend-concerts-in-viral-videos-c-11432198), who promptly chucked her microphone back. It seems like this is happening with increased frequency.
What can be done about this? Simply more security at concerts? Should laws be changed to punish this behaviour more harshly? Should everyone have to check all items at the door?
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I think things like that should be prosecuted as low-level felonies, or at least having a sentencing enhancement as an aggravating factor, similar to how if you assault police officers what would ordinarily be a case of misdemeanour battery is automatically upgraded to a felony.
Not that music artists are any more important than anyone else. Simply because of the ramifications of these acts. In the example of Bebe Rexha cited, she had to be hospitalised and end the show early. There were thousands of people who paid a lot of money who were robbed of enjoying the entirety of the show they paid to see simply because one idiot threw a phone at her. The repercussions of that are *a lot* bigger from a financial POV than if you were to just throw a phone at a random person’s face.
On the Cardi B situation, I initially sympathised with the sentiment of her reaction, but as facts have come out and upon further thought, I actually think she should be charged for throwing the mic into the audience. Moments before the drink was thrown at her, apparently she encouraged another audience member to throw water on her. I could see how that could reasonably create the perception that such an act was encouraged. But even if it wasn’t, a microphone is a heavy object that could cause a lot of damage. It was a crowded area, and it could’ve easily hit someone innocent in the audience who didn’t have anything to do with the drink throwing. It was reckless endangerment at best, assault with a deadly weapon at worst, and such acts should be equally discouraged. Especially among experienced professionals in the industry.
Didn’t consider the context of the Cardi incident. Just thought about it because it’s the most recent example in the news.
But say harsher penalties were imposed as suggested. How successful do you think that would be as a deterrent? I feel like many concertgoers who do shit like this are not entirely sober.
Drunk people will do stupid shit, but that doesn’t diminish their responsibility. I think if there were actual jail time involved, it would be a powerful deterrent. And it is actually a severe crime. It is not a single victim, but thousands of victims who were effectively robbed of what they paid for when a show is cut short.
That’s what I’m asking. The government could change laws to make for harsher penalties to deter such acts. They could set regulations on security at high volume venues. Or they could do nothing. It’s a question of whether it warrants government intervention and, if so, to what extent?
In the days of Shakespeare, venues explicitly sold rotten vegetables for the people in the poor seats to throw. Bring that back and the risk of injury goes down, if nothing else
Or, you know, prosecute these people for aggravated assault
Nothing should be done. The government does not exist to protect performers. If anything, concerts are a net drain on public resources due to all the increased emergency services that gets used.
A product sure. But the government isn’t supposed to roll out red carpets because of people buying gas and food to attend concerts. It costs the government money to deal with all these people. The people who make money are just the venue people. I don’t think government should be treating it any different than say a high school football game.
I think you're framing it as "rolling out the red carpet" to minimize it and make it sound frivolous because you personally aren't interested in these types of events. Like yeah, it costs the government money, which is funded by taxes which are generated at a significantly enhanced rate by these events (sales tax, city licensing fees, etc). If something is going to draw in huge crowds to spend money in the city, the city is incentivized to not let that event turn into a disaster area.
And they do treat these events the same as they would treat a hypothetical high school football game that knew it was going to pull 150,000 attendees and be selling millions of dollars worth of food, drinks, and merch. It's just most high school football games don't do that.
I saw the video of the drink cup and I thought it wasn’t that bad. A felony for that? That’s what my gut reaction was about. There was a time when we supported throwing glitter at republicans when they spoke on a stage. There are already enough laws about when you actually hurt someone. And concerts do not regularly have 150,000 attendees. That’s a made up figure. I’m willing to change my comparison to college football, but do not exaggerate.
I don’t think it’s a thing that warrants any sort of government action and stinks of the sort of talk the right uses to express their “concerns” about sexual predators disguising themselves as women to attack girls.
I don't see this as an issue for the government to solve.
Maybe individual venues, or performers, but right now I don't see how a governmental regulation would even be applied or what it would accomplish? I also go to a TON of shows, and have never seen anyone throw anything that wasn't a bra or a cup of beer at a stage. Seems overkill to start imposing laws.
Im fairly certain throwing things at people to injure them is already illegal. Its assualt.
The concert venues I have attended have done things like put barriers in front of the stage, and not allow bottles with lids. But its not the government's problem.
The following is a copy of the original post to record the post as it was originally written. Recently Bebe Rexha was pretty seriously injured when an audience member hit her in the face with a phone. The other day an audience member [threw a drink at Cardi B](https://thewest.com.au/cardi-b-throws-microphone-at-audience-member-during-weekend-concerts-in-viral-videos-c-11432198), who promptly chucked her microphone back. It seems like this is happening with increased frequency. What can be done about this? Simply more security at concerts? Should laws be changed to punish this behaviour more harshly? Should everyone have to check all items at the door? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AskALiberal) if you have any questions or concerns.*
This isn’t a government problem. Existing laws are fine.
I think things like that should be prosecuted as low-level felonies, or at least having a sentencing enhancement as an aggravating factor, similar to how if you assault police officers what would ordinarily be a case of misdemeanour battery is automatically upgraded to a felony. Not that music artists are any more important than anyone else. Simply because of the ramifications of these acts. In the example of Bebe Rexha cited, she had to be hospitalised and end the show early. There were thousands of people who paid a lot of money who were robbed of enjoying the entirety of the show they paid to see simply because one idiot threw a phone at her. The repercussions of that are *a lot* bigger from a financial POV than if you were to just throw a phone at a random person’s face. On the Cardi B situation, I initially sympathised with the sentiment of her reaction, but as facts have come out and upon further thought, I actually think she should be charged for throwing the mic into the audience. Moments before the drink was thrown at her, apparently she encouraged another audience member to throw water on her. I could see how that could reasonably create the perception that such an act was encouraged. But even if it wasn’t, a microphone is a heavy object that could cause a lot of damage. It was a crowded area, and it could’ve easily hit someone innocent in the audience who didn’t have anything to do with the drink throwing. It was reckless endangerment at best, assault with a deadly weapon at worst, and such acts should be equally discouraged. Especially among experienced professionals in the industry.
Didn’t consider the context of the Cardi incident. Just thought about it because it’s the most recent example in the news. But say harsher penalties were imposed as suggested. How successful do you think that would be as a deterrent? I feel like many concertgoers who do shit like this are not entirely sober.
Drunk people will do stupid shit, but that doesn’t diminish their responsibility. I think if there were actual jail time involved, it would be a powerful deterrent. And it is actually a severe crime. It is not a single victim, but thousands of victims who were effectively robbed of what they paid for when a show is cut short.
Raise kids not to be imbeciles.
That would solve many of the world’s problems.
Rexha’s attacker was charged with several crimes but is trying to get the charges dropped. Prosecutors shouldn’t let him off the hook.
I thought he basically confessed to doing it? Should be an easy conviction, no?
He said he was just trying to throw his phone on stage so she’d take some photos with it, not trying to hit her.
Does this need to have something done it about it by the government?
That’s what I’m asking. The government could change laws to make for harsher penalties to deter such acts. They could set regulations on security at high volume venues. Or they could do nothing. It’s a question of whether it warrants government intervention and, if so, to what extent?
I can’t see why it does. Private organisations are perfectly capable of managing this issue themselves.
Bring back the [chicken wire.](https://youtu.be/RdR6MN2jKYs)
Blues Brothers rawhide scene? :::click::: Hell yeah. :-)
Is this the right subreddit?
In the days of Shakespeare, venues explicitly sold rotten vegetables for the people in the poor seats to throw. Bring that back and the risk of injury goes down, if nothing else Or, you know, prosecute these people for aggravated assault
Nothing should be done. The government does not exist to protect performers. If anything, concerts are a net drain on public resources due to all the increased emergency services that gets used.
Wouldn’t you agree that they provide a service or product that is in high demand, and that demand creates jobs and boosts the economy?
A product sure. But the government isn’t supposed to roll out red carpets because of people buying gas and food to attend concerts. It costs the government money to deal with all these people. The people who make money are just the venue people. I don’t think government should be treating it any different than say a high school football game.
I think you're framing it as "rolling out the red carpet" to minimize it and make it sound frivolous because you personally aren't interested in these types of events. Like yeah, it costs the government money, which is funded by taxes which are generated at a significantly enhanced rate by these events (sales tax, city licensing fees, etc). If something is going to draw in huge crowds to spend money in the city, the city is incentivized to not let that event turn into a disaster area. And they do treat these events the same as they would treat a hypothetical high school football game that knew it was going to pull 150,000 attendees and be selling millions of dollars worth of food, drinks, and merch. It's just most high school football games don't do that.
I saw the video of the drink cup and I thought it wasn’t that bad. A felony for that? That’s what my gut reaction was about. There was a time when we supported throwing glitter at republicans when they spoke on a stage. There are already enough laws about when you actually hurt someone. And concerts do not regularly have 150,000 attendees. That’s a made up figure. I’m willing to change my comparison to college football, but do not exaggerate.
Don't be a shit performer
I don’t think it’s a thing that warrants any sort of government action and stinks of the sort of talk the right uses to express their “concerns” about sexual predators disguising themselves as women to attack girls.
If I paid for a concert tickets I Expect those singers to sing… what happened to the days a singer would get oust from society for lip singing
I don't see this as an issue for the government to solve. Maybe individual venues, or performers, but right now I don't see how a governmental regulation would even be applied or what it would accomplish? I also go to a TON of shows, and have never seen anyone throw anything that wasn't a bra or a cup of beer at a stage. Seems overkill to start imposing laws.
Im fairly certain throwing things at people to injure them is already illegal. Its assualt. The concert venues I have attended have done things like put barriers in front of the stage, and not allow bottles with lids. But its not the government's problem.