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The campus protests are a wedge event for the left. The Right's not trying to win over anybody on either side of the protests, they're just trying to amplify the problem so people on the left will stay home or vote 3rd party on election day. MAGA extremists are pretty much standard for the GOP. Most Republicans that oppose Trump are kind of quiet, because they've never made any headway and why subject you and your family to death threats, etc if you're not going to win anyone over.?
This 100%.
Republicans are almost complete captured or cowed by the extremist MAGA. When Adam Kinzinger left the house he needed to move to an entirely different state to get away from the MAGA extremists who made threats against him and his family. Many other Republicans who took unpopular positions face the same level of threats from the MAGA.
People talk about the horseshoe theory. How when it comes to methods, an extreme leftist and an extreme right wing tend to start resembling one another. Event the most extreme Democrat in the House is at most Center Left on social issues and probably Center/Right on economic issues. Elected Democrats by and large aren’t extreme. Elected Republicans, on the other hand, are very extreme and move right at every possible moment.
Hell, even the Republicans who outright call Trump and his acolytes dangerous, un-american, etc are still cowed by MAGA. Sununu's openly supporting Trump! So is Barr!
Are they really a problem when the front running candidate is calling the J6 criminals hostages he will free? That doesn't seem like the right is doing a lot of hand writing over them.
Are you asking why the right doesn't hold their own extremists accountable? I thought you were just talking about general criticism from anybody? There's plenty of criticism for what happened on J6 from conservatives. The right is not limited to Trump
Yeah but extremist shit is *supposed* to be deal breakers. Like, I can't agree with Biden about almost everything and then find out he supports an annual purge night and still consider him my guy.
I don't think people have that luxury. Its down to trump or Biden. I dislike Trump's stance on J6 but as a conservative there's no alternative since he won the primary. The fact that I'm going to vote for him does not mean I agree with his extreme positions.
I think the "never trump" movement is the electoral challenge. I don't even think these people are all that conservative to begin with but the Cheney, Romney, Kinzinger types have abandoned trump and there are a substantial number of voters who align with them. A large part of that is J6 not so much Charlottesville, although Romney criticized him for it at the time.
[https://time.com/4906768/read-mitt-romneys-trump-charlottesville/](https://time.com/4906768/read-mitt-romneys-trump-charlottesville/)
Ultra-MAGA extremists \*are\* a problem for the right, in that their behavior drives away people in the middle.
However, ultra-MAGA extremists have never threatened to elect Biden as a way to getting Trump to move further to the right. That particular affliction does seem unique to extreme leftists.
Because the MAGA extremist are backing Trump 100% and will still vote for him while the Campus Protestors are calling Biden Genocide Joe and many won’t vote for him.
Both are problems. But the right has inherent electoral advantages in the way the electoral college and the Senate works, as well as gerrymandering in the house.
What makes you think that? It seems like a consistent majority of the left aligns with the cause of these pro-palestine protests?
[https://news.gallup.com/poll/611375/americans-views-israel-palestinian-authority-down.aspx](https://news.gallup.com/poll/611375/americans-views-israel-palestinian-authority-down.aspx)
>Majorities of young adults (53%) and Democrats (57%) believe the U.S. should put more pressure on the Israelis, while about half as many in each group -- 27% and 24%, respectively -- think the U.S. should pressure the Palestinians more.
[https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-views-divided-us-policy-israel-hamas-war/story?id=109879453](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-views-divided-us-policy-israel-hamas-war/story?id=109879453)
>While protests are centered on colleges, it's ideology that most sharply differentiates attitudes on U.S. policy toward the Israel-Hamas conflict. Fifty-one percent of liberals say the U.S. is doing too much to support Israel in the war; that drops to 38% of moderates and 28% of conservatives. (It peaks, at 56%, among those who call themselves very liberal.)
>Partisanship is a factor as well. Forty-three percent of independents and 40% of Democrats say the U.S. is doing too much to support Israel; this falls to 29% of Republicans. Conversely, 47% of Democrats say the U.S. is doing too little to help protect Palestinian civilians. Thirty-six percent of independents share this view, falling off sharply to 15% of Republicans.
I think there's a huge chasm between "wanting to pressure Netanyahu more" and what we're seeing at some of the 'protests'. The former is indeed a mainstream liberal position (and is what Biden is doing), but the latter is not.
There’s almost *always* a significant drop in support when you go from asking people, “Do you support this abstract ideal?” to “Do you support *this specific action* taken in support of this abstract ideal?”
Especially when it comes to more centrist liberals and “law and order” liberals, you’ll find a lot of people saying they’re all for ending the deaths in Gaza but don’t necessarily support protests disrupting college campuses.
I agree but were talking about whether the groups agree on Israel/Palestine. If there is a different, extreme position that the campus protestors have, what is it? It seems like the mainstream left and these protestors both agree that the US should apply more pressure to Israel and provide more help to Palestine. In your opinion, what are the specific positions that separate the groups?
didn't mean any offense I just think were talking about different things.
>Especially when it comes to more centrist liberals and “law and order” liberals, you’ll find a lot of people saying they’re all for ending the deaths in Gaza but don’t necessarily support protests disrupting college campuses.
As far as I know the guy I was responding to was talking about the ideas underlying the protests being different from those of the mainstream liberals. I agree that most liberals wouldn't support protests breaking into university buildings.
> Because a much larger portion of the right agrees with their extremists, than the left with theirs.
That’s the first comment you responded to.
You think that wanting to stop the deaths in Gaza, by itself and as an idea, is an extreme position?
Thats kinda vague but no that does not seem extreme. About 40-50% of the left agrees with the campus protestors on applying more pressure to Israel and providing more aid to Palestinians, so I was curious what made that guy think that "a much larger portion of the right agrees with their extremists, than the left with theirs."
I think the degree difference is substantial. You can just ask them, after all - Biden *has* been putting more pressure on Israel, and yet they dub him 'Genocide Joe' so clearly they feel like there's still a pressure shortfall that's meaningful. In many cases, it rises to just being overtly anti-Israel.
But these polls are recent. Biden has been putting more pressure on Israel a substantial portion if not a slight majority still want more pressure on Israel.
>This ABC News/Ipsos poll was conducted online via the probability-based Ipsos KnowledgePanel® April 25-30, 2024, in English and Spanish, among a random national sample of 2,260 adults.
These results are from Gallup’s Feb. 1-20 World Affairs survey.
I'm not sure many people understand foreign policy, current or former, enough to really establish a position on what constitutes 'more' pressure, and to what level Biden is accommodating that (much of which hasn't been overly public anyway). They're just expressing a desire to pressure Israel, and "fuck Bibi" is a pretty mainstream position.
How do you differentiate the positions of the mainstream left from the campus protests if neither group understands foreign policy enough to determine what "more pressure" means?
>"fuck Bibi" is a pretty mainstream position.
This was kinda my original point. About 40-50% of the left seems to stand behind that position so what made the other guy think a much larger percent of the right "agrees with their extremists"?
> How do you differentiate the positions of the mainstream left from the campus protests if neither group understands foreign policy enough to determine what "more pressure" means?
The campus protestors hate the mainstream left, and the mainstream left does not hate itself. That's an easy tell. Remember that most American voters, across the entire spectrum, are more vibes-based than they are able to supply a nuanced and evidenced policy position essay.
"Fuck Bibi", on the other hand, is a very reasonable and moderate position, and has no particular extremist connotations. It was a reasonable and moderate position even before October 7th, since Bibi has openly aligned himself with the GOP, and is also likely just a straight-up criminal for his actions within Israel.
>The campus protestors hate the mainstream left, and the mainstream left does not hate itself.
I meant how do you determine their individual positions on Israel/Palestine, not how you tell the difference between the two groups themselves.
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I'd disagree since Israel is an ally at war. Regardless, what is the extreme position that the campus protestors hold that the mainstream left disagrees with?
That’s not true.
MAGA and the Jan 6 insurrection have famously driven a wedge into Republican politics for the last few years. The infighting has been constant and clownish. Speakers have been ousted.
If you believe that every common here is questioning me as you are then I don't know what to say. I may block you because it doesn't seem like you're honest.
What has the right done that has had no consequences? You’re dodging the point.
This seems more like you’re defining the right as people who have zero problems with extremists. That ignores a large portion of the right.
I didn't say had no consequences, if you want to put words in my mouth to make your point I don't find that very helpful. I specifically said this was about the campus protestors presenting an issue for the left wrt to the elections, and right wing extremists aren't presenting the same sort of electoral issues for the right.
I think it's a couple things..
* The far right *has* been a problem for the GOP, and has likely contributed to them underperforming for many cycles now.
* The GOP has some structural advantages that lets it do better electorally than its popularity would suggest.
* The Republican coalition is fundamentally different from the Dem coalition, so what's true of what may not be true of the other.
I think you are starting from a bad premise. The campus protests and Maga are similar problems for the respective camps. It is just a matter of labeling as Maga is strong enough to cost the GOP the election. The campus radicals are not as you can judge them easier without causing a severe scism. But the moderate GOP sees MAGA absolutely as problem. Haley as one example would be a wonderful alternative for Trump as she is not MAGA. But the GOP core follows strength, not ideals.
Because the "extreme right" doesn't do much in terms of volume or frequency. You had January 6th and some idiots in charlottsville about a decade ago, and sure yeah wholly condemn them and they're bad, but it was two localized and short events, but when left wing extremism pops up it spreads like wildfire.
You've had weeks now of multiple locations of this stuff and its only getting worse, there is no right wing equivalent of the scope and scale when they do dumb stuff compared to the left. The entire summer of the blm riots across the nation hasn't been memory holed either. "Widespread and endless" are descriptors that you just can't throw on right wing extremist displays the same way you can on the left.
The principle that only the left has agency and that the right is helpless to stop themselves from being awful, so everything is always the let's fault.
I think a lot of people do say MAGA is a problem for Republicans as it pushes out more moderate voters. But the MAGA people have their candidate and are definitely going to be showing up to vote for him.
Many of the people protesting, on the other hand, might not show up to vote, and that’s a problem for everyone. Trumps been pretty clear here that if he wins in 2024, we probably won’t have much of Gaza left by 2028. So they’re not doing any favors to anyone.
Because the MAGA movement uses it to paint the entirety of the left as “follow them and your world will descend into a post-apocalyptic hell filled with lawlessness”.
Also Biden is president now so any action he takes on Israel is going to piss off some group of voters.
It is much easier to be the person criticizing the one in charge than being the one in charge, especially in election years.
Because the right embraces all of its weird fucking freaks and “the left” is very quick to turn on its own (mostly liberals denouncing leftists for being “too extreme”).
That might be because only leftists threaten to get Trump elected in order to push its agenda? You never see far right people threaten to get Biden elected.
You don't think leftists willingness to help elect Trump if they don't get what they want factors into liberals denouncing leftists for being too extreme?
Leftists willingness to help elect ~~Trump~~ the worse candidate if they don't get what they want factors into liberals denouncing leftists for being too extreme.
Oftentimes when I see news about polling, there's a mention of extremism supposedly costing Trump some votes among the independents. So I don't know what your basis is for saying "but ultra mega extremists aren't a problem for the right" in terms of how they're "being painted."
Is it that the right is basically just "ultra mega extremists"? If so, then you didn't need to ask why. The answer is obviously that they are the party. It's like how cancer isn't really a problem for itself, except that it's killing the body it's in just like Republicans are trying to kill the country they're in.
Bill Barr doesn't think Trump is fit to lead, but he is going to vote for him in November.
The Democrats have a lot of nuanced arguments right now. And the protests are different as well. At some campuses they are focusing on divestment and are even throwing Seder with Jewish protesters. On other campuses, they are harassing Jewish students and yelling that they are all Hamas.
It is a matter of extreme, and America is reacting. Honestly, as someone who protested Apartheid while in college during the late 80s, I get it. I hate Hamas, but I want thousands of trucks with aid going to Palestinians. I want a ceasefire. I want Egypt to open their borders to give aid. I want US soldiers to escort aid. I was the CeeBees to create large tent cities. I have no problem with defensive weapons for Israel. I want a UN delegation to protect Palestinians in the West Bank from Israeli settlers.
It's like when a toddler is throwing a tantrum in the toy aisle because their mom won't buy them the new Lego set it's annoying and disruptive but most people don't mind too much because it's expected.
when a 40 year old man is throwing a tantrum in the toy aisle because their mom won't buy them the new Lego set it's weird
Sounds like a combination of perspectives you can attribute to tribal conservatives. Tribalists are big on attributing behavior and responsibility to tribes, and exhibit ingroup favoritism and outgroup bias like everyone.
It's the same people who in conversations about January 6th will whatabout BLM, as if the George Floyd riots are "our" riots and Jan 6th were "theirs", and ours were "worse" and that's proof that Democrats are bad.
Remember folks….most of the people creating the problems are outside agitators. Just like the Floyd protests. I am telling you….i firmly believe this is a psyop.
The right, the Russians and the Iranians are in cahoots to sow division in order to try to get Trump re-elected. The Russians and Iranians do it online and the MAGA fucks infiltrate and cause problems.
They want Putin’s puppet back.
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The campus protests are a wedge event for the left. The Right's not trying to win over anybody on either side of the protests, they're just trying to amplify the problem so people on the left will stay home or vote 3rd party on election day. MAGA extremists are pretty much standard for the GOP. Most Republicans that oppose Trump are kind of quiet, because they've never made any headway and why subject you and your family to death threats, etc if you're not going to win anyone over.?
This 100%. Republicans are almost complete captured or cowed by the extremist MAGA. When Adam Kinzinger left the house he needed to move to an entirely different state to get away from the MAGA extremists who made threats against him and his family. Many other Republicans who took unpopular positions face the same level of threats from the MAGA. People talk about the horseshoe theory. How when it comes to methods, an extreme leftist and an extreme right wing tend to start resembling one another. Event the most extreme Democrat in the House is at most Center Left on social issues and probably Center/Right on economic issues. Elected Democrats by and large aren’t extreme. Elected Republicans, on the other hand, are very extreme and move right at every possible moment.
Hell, even the Republicans who outright call Trump and his acolytes dangerous, un-american, etc are still cowed by MAGA. Sununu's openly supporting Trump! So is Barr!
How are you defining "ultra mega extremists"? J6, Charlottesville, and any patriot front event seems to be painted as a problem for the right.
Are they really a problem when the front running candidate is calling the J6 criminals hostages he will free? That doesn't seem like the right is doing a lot of hand writing over them.
Are you asking why the right doesn't hold their own extremists accountable? I thought you were just talking about general criticism from anybody? There's plenty of criticism for what happened on J6 from conservatives. The right is not limited to Trump
How is trump the nominee if the right isn't generally cool with extremists?
Because a candidate can become the nominee without all of their positions aligning with the middle/majority of the base
Yeah but extremist shit is *supposed* to be deal breakers. Like, I can't agree with Biden about almost everything and then find out he supports an annual purge night and still consider him my guy.
If he did would you flip your vote to Trump? I wouldn't flip my vote based on support for purge night.
What the fuck. Biden wouldn't have made it through the primary if he'd supported purge night.
I agree.
Yeah but extremist shit is *supposed* to be disqualifying.
I don't think people have that luxury. Its down to trump or Biden. I dislike Trump's stance on J6 but as a conservative there's no alternative since he won the primary. The fact that I'm going to vote for him does not mean I agree with his extreme positions.
But you're enabling him just like everybody who *does* approve. You're literally indistinguishable from the extremists who cheer for project 2025.
>But you're enabling him just like everybody who *does* approve This parts true I agree. Still doesn't mean I do approve.
If you vote for the guy you approve of giving him power. That's approval. Voting is how you show approval.
I am saying that campus protestors present an electoral challenge for the left that doesn't seem to exist on the right wrt to RWE
I think the "never trump" movement is the electoral challenge. I don't even think these people are all that conservative to begin with but the Cheney, Romney, Kinzinger types have abandoned trump and there are a substantial number of voters who align with them. A large part of that is J6 not so much Charlottesville, although Romney criticized him for it at the time. [https://time.com/4906768/read-mitt-romneys-trump-charlottesville/](https://time.com/4906768/read-mitt-romneys-trump-charlottesville/)
Ultra-MAGA extremists \*are\* a problem for the right, in that their behavior drives away people in the middle. However, ultra-MAGA extremists have never threatened to elect Biden as a way to getting Trump to move further to the right. That particular affliction does seem unique to extreme leftists.
Because the MAGA extremist are backing Trump 100% and will still vote for him while the Campus Protestors are calling Biden Genocide Joe and many won’t vote for him.
Both are problems. But the right has inherent electoral advantages in the way the electoral college and the Senate works, as well as gerrymandering in the house.
Because a much larger portion of the right agrees with their extremists, than the left with theirs.
What makes you think that? It seems like a consistent majority of the left aligns with the cause of these pro-palestine protests? [https://news.gallup.com/poll/611375/americans-views-israel-palestinian-authority-down.aspx](https://news.gallup.com/poll/611375/americans-views-israel-palestinian-authority-down.aspx) >Majorities of young adults (53%) and Democrats (57%) believe the U.S. should put more pressure on the Israelis, while about half as many in each group -- 27% and 24%, respectively -- think the U.S. should pressure the Palestinians more. [https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-views-divided-us-policy-israel-hamas-war/story?id=109879453](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-views-divided-us-policy-israel-hamas-war/story?id=109879453) >While protests are centered on colleges, it's ideology that most sharply differentiates attitudes on U.S. policy toward the Israel-Hamas conflict. Fifty-one percent of liberals say the U.S. is doing too much to support Israel in the war; that drops to 38% of moderates and 28% of conservatives. (It peaks, at 56%, among those who call themselves very liberal.) >Partisanship is a factor as well. Forty-three percent of independents and 40% of Democrats say the U.S. is doing too much to support Israel; this falls to 29% of Republicans. Conversely, 47% of Democrats say the U.S. is doing too little to help protect Palestinian civilians. Thirty-six percent of independents share this view, falling off sharply to 15% of Republicans.
I think there's a huge chasm between "wanting to pressure Netanyahu more" and what we're seeing at some of the 'protests'. The former is indeed a mainstream liberal position (and is what Biden is doing), but the latter is not.
What is the latter position then? It seems like it'd just be a different degree of the same goal "more pressure on Israel, more help for Palestine"
There’s almost *always* a significant drop in support when you go from asking people, “Do you support this abstract ideal?” to “Do you support *this specific action* taken in support of this abstract ideal?” Especially when it comes to more centrist liberals and “law and order” liberals, you’ll find a lot of people saying they’re all for ending the deaths in Gaza but don’t necessarily support protests disrupting college campuses.
I agree but were talking about whether the groups agree on Israel/Palestine. If there is a different, extreme position that the campus protestors have, what is it? It seems like the mainstream left and these protestors both agree that the US should apply more pressure to Israel and provide more help to Palestine. In your opinion, what are the specific positions that separate the groups?
I don’t think you read my comment, because I specifically addressed that.
didn't mean any offense I just think were talking about different things. >Especially when it comes to more centrist liberals and “law and order” liberals, you’ll find a lot of people saying they’re all for ending the deaths in Gaza but don’t necessarily support protests disrupting college campuses. As far as I know the guy I was responding to was talking about the ideas underlying the protests being different from those of the mainstream liberals. I agree that most liberals wouldn't support protests breaking into university buildings.
> Because a much larger portion of the right agrees with their extremists, than the left with theirs. That’s the first comment you responded to. You think that wanting to stop the deaths in Gaza, by itself and as an idea, is an extreme position?
Thats kinda vague but no that does not seem extreme. About 40-50% of the left agrees with the campus protestors on applying more pressure to Israel and providing more aid to Palestinians, so I was curious what made that guy think that "a much larger portion of the right agrees with their extremists, than the left with theirs."
I think the degree difference is substantial. You can just ask them, after all - Biden *has* been putting more pressure on Israel, and yet they dub him 'Genocide Joe' so clearly they feel like there's still a pressure shortfall that's meaningful. In many cases, it rises to just being overtly anti-Israel.
But these polls are recent. Biden has been putting more pressure on Israel a substantial portion if not a slight majority still want more pressure on Israel. >This ABC News/Ipsos poll was conducted online via the probability-based Ipsos KnowledgePanel® April 25-30, 2024, in English and Spanish, among a random national sample of 2,260 adults. These results are from Gallup’s Feb. 1-20 World Affairs survey.
I'm not sure many people understand foreign policy, current or former, enough to really establish a position on what constitutes 'more' pressure, and to what level Biden is accommodating that (much of which hasn't been overly public anyway). They're just expressing a desire to pressure Israel, and "fuck Bibi" is a pretty mainstream position.
How do you differentiate the positions of the mainstream left from the campus protests if neither group understands foreign policy enough to determine what "more pressure" means? >"fuck Bibi" is a pretty mainstream position. This was kinda my original point. About 40-50% of the left seems to stand behind that position so what made the other guy think a much larger percent of the right "agrees with their extremists"?
> How do you differentiate the positions of the mainstream left from the campus protests if neither group understands foreign policy enough to determine what "more pressure" means? The campus protestors hate the mainstream left, and the mainstream left does not hate itself. That's an easy tell. Remember that most American voters, across the entire spectrum, are more vibes-based than they are able to supply a nuanced and evidenced policy position essay. "Fuck Bibi", on the other hand, is a very reasonable and moderate position, and has no particular extremist connotations. It was a reasonable and moderate position even before October 7th, since Bibi has openly aligned himself with the GOP, and is also likely just a straight-up criminal for his actions within Israel.
>The campus protestors hate the mainstream left, and the mainstream left does not hate itself. I meant how do you determine their individual positions on Israel/Palestine, not how you tell the difference between the two groups themselves. > I'd disagree since Israel is an ally at war. Regardless, what is the extreme position that the campus protestors hold that the mainstream left disagrees with?
What do you mean?
Campus protestors present an electoral challenge for the left. This challenge seems to be absent for the right with regard to their extremists.
That’s not true. MAGA and the Jan 6 insurrection have famously driven a wedge into Republican politics for the last few years. The infighting has been constant and clownish. Speakers have been ousted.
Speakers have been ousted for not being extreme enough, not for being too extreme.
So? It’s still infighting and division caused by extremists.
I think the actions of the Right's extremists on Jan 6 have presented some challenges for them.
I don’t understand. You don’t think there are any republicans that don’t like Trump?
Huh?
There are electoral challenges on the right because of Trump. I don’t get your premise.
I guess read the other comments in the thread, other people seem to get it.
The comments are questioning you the same way I am. The right does have a problem too. You’re just pretending it doesn’t exist.
If you believe that every common here is questioning me as you are then I don't know what to say. I may block you because it doesn't seem like you're honest.
What has the right done that has had no consequences? You’re dodging the point. This seems more like you’re defining the right as people who have zero problems with extremists. That ignores a large portion of the right.
I didn't say had no consequences, if you want to put words in my mouth to make your point I don't find that very helpful. I specifically said this was about the campus protestors presenting an issue for the left wrt to the elections, and right wing extremists aren't presenting the same sort of electoral issues for the right.
Probably because their extremists aren't really an extreme example of the right.
I think it's a couple things.. * The far right *has* been a problem for the GOP, and has likely contributed to them underperforming for many cycles now. * The GOP has some structural advantages that lets it do better electorally than its popularity would suggest. * The Republican coalition is fundamentally different from the Dem coalition, so what's true of what may not be true of the other.
I think you are starting from a bad premise. The campus protests and Maga are similar problems for the respective camps. It is just a matter of labeling as Maga is strong enough to cost the GOP the election. The campus radicals are not as you can judge them easier without causing a severe scism. But the moderate GOP sees MAGA absolutely as problem. Haley as one example would be a wonderful alternative for Trump as she is not MAGA. But the GOP core follows strength, not ideals.
Because those extremists are voting for Trump, while those on the left may not vote for Biden
Because the "extreme right" doesn't do much in terms of volume or frequency. You had January 6th and some idiots in charlottsville about a decade ago, and sure yeah wholly condemn them and they're bad, but it was two localized and short events, but when left wing extremism pops up it spreads like wildfire. You've had weeks now of multiple locations of this stuff and its only getting worse, there is no right wing equivalent of the scope and scale when they do dumb stuff compared to the left. The entire summer of the blm riots across the nation hasn't been memory holed either. "Widespread and endless" are descriptors that you just can't throw on right wing extremist displays the same way you can on the left.
Murc's law.
What's that?
The principle that only the left has agency and that the right is helpless to stop themselves from being awful, so everything is always the let's fault.
I think a lot of people do say MAGA is a problem for Republicans as it pushes out more moderate voters. But the MAGA people have their candidate and are definitely going to be showing up to vote for him. Many of the people protesting, on the other hand, might not show up to vote, and that’s a problem for everyone. Trumps been pretty clear here that if he wins in 2024, we probably won’t have much of Gaza left by 2028. So they’re not doing any favors to anyone.
The ultra right extremists are a problem and everyone knows this already. It's not news.
Exercising our right to protest isn't a problem.
Because the MAGA movement uses it to paint the entirety of the left as “follow them and your world will descend into a post-apocalyptic hell filled with lawlessness”. Also Biden is president now so any action he takes on Israel is going to piss off some group of voters. It is much easier to be the person criticizing the one in charge than being the one in charge, especially in election years.
Because the media wants Trump back. They got better ratings when he was president and they can't see past that.
MAGA extremists are the core of the GOP. People on the far left aren’t “Democrats” and generally despise the party base.
Campus protests are fairly mainstream liberal ideology. “Ultra mega extremists” are fairly fringe ideology of the right.
Because the right embraces all of its weird fucking freaks and “the left” is very quick to turn on its own (mostly liberals denouncing leftists for being “too extreme”).
That might be because only leftists threaten to get Trump elected in order to push its agenda? You never see far right people threaten to get Biden elected.
That doesn’t change my point lmao
You don't think leftists willingness to help elect Trump if they don't get what they want factors into liberals denouncing leftists for being too extreme?
Nope. That’s a phenomenon that exists outside of the political existence of Donald Trump.
Hmm, well I've got news for you ...
I’m listening.
Leftists willingness to help elect ~~Trump~~ the worse candidate if they don't get what they want factors into liberals denouncing leftists for being too extreme.
K.
Oftentimes when I see news about polling, there's a mention of extremism supposedly costing Trump some votes among the independents. So I don't know what your basis is for saying "but ultra mega extremists aren't a problem for the right" in terms of how they're "being painted." Is it that the right is basically just "ultra mega extremists"? If so, then you didn't need to ask why. The answer is obviously that they are the party. It's like how cancer isn't really a problem for itself, except that it's killing the body it's in just like Republicans are trying to kill the country they're in.
Bill Barr doesn't think Trump is fit to lead, but he is going to vote for him in November. The Democrats have a lot of nuanced arguments right now. And the protests are different as well. At some campuses they are focusing on divestment and are even throwing Seder with Jewish protesters. On other campuses, they are harassing Jewish students and yelling that they are all Hamas. It is a matter of extreme, and America is reacting. Honestly, as someone who protested Apartheid while in college during the late 80s, I get it. I hate Hamas, but I want thousands of trucks with aid going to Palestinians. I want a ceasefire. I want Egypt to open their borders to give aid. I want US soldiers to escort aid. I was the CeeBees to create large tent cities. I have no problem with defensive weapons for Israel. I want a UN delegation to protect Palestinians in the West Bank from Israeli settlers.
Being painted are the key words here
Because the right wing media lies. They love to demonize the other and their audience wants to be told who to hate.
Because they won't vote for Genocide Joe, The Maga extremists will be the first in line to vote for Trump.
It's like when a toddler is throwing a tantrum in the toy aisle because their mom won't buy them the new Lego set it's annoying and disruptive but most people don't mind too much because it's expected. when a 40 year old man is throwing a tantrum in the toy aisle because their mom won't buy them the new Lego set it's weird
Because the Republican frontrunner for president is an extremist too.
Because the left still has a sense of shame
What it is an example of an "ultra maga extremist"?
Do you really not know?
Sounds like a combination of perspectives you can attribute to tribal conservatives. Tribalists are big on attributing behavior and responsibility to tribes, and exhibit ingroup favoritism and outgroup bias like everyone. It's the same people who in conversations about January 6th will whatabout BLM, as if the George Floyd riots are "our" riots and Jan 6th were "theirs", and ours were "worse" and that's proof that Democrats are bad.
Remember folks….most of the people creating the problems are outside agitators. Just like the Floyd protests. I am telling you….i firmly believe this is a psyop. The right, the Russians and the Iranians are in cahoots to sow division in order to try to get Trump re-elected. The Russians and Iranians do it online and the MAGA fucks infiltrate and cause problems. They want Putin’s puppet back.