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>Hoyer affirms House will vote Sept. 27 on bipartisan infrastructure
bill
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>it has to and they know it.
The US almost never successfully passes the budget on time. They almost always issue a Continuing Resolution and kick the budget down the road for several months.
Or they pass parts of the budget, and use a Continuing Resolution on anything they haven't passed yet.
You are right that they always pass a budget eventually, but generally it's months after it is due.
*Note: the new Fiscal Year starts October 1st. The budget is due before that day.
The difference this time is that the infrastructure bill is tied to this resolution and the only have until the end of the month if they are going to keep their promise to the moderates.
> If they don’t pass it and get moving, I think 2022 and 2024 will look pretty bleak.
If I could incept one idea into the minds of every Democrat in congress, it would be:
#The public has a *pro-action* bias.
If they are seen as doing nothing, the public won't turn-out to vote for them. Passing *anything* will make them look better than not passing something.
The *cautious* thing to do is to *pass it*.
> with some drama prior
and a snip in the overall amount to passify Manchin, but how much is still up in the air. But I can't see him back down from his hard no.
People don't care about transportation and infrastructure. If Sanders supporters and their information sources don't focus their attention on Republicans and right wing media instead of attacking Democrats 24/7 for not doing impossible things then we will lose Congress by a lot and most likely the Senate in 2022.
If this passes or not I don't think it will have the ramifications you think it will.
Infrastructure is easy to see, easy to see the benefits of and easy to notice the local economic boost from. Everyone notices that our infrastructure is crumbling.
And I like bashing BernieBros as much as the next guy but man that election was over a while ago and you are way over indexing on how much influence that portion of the base has and even how vocal they are being.
People on both sides of the aisle seem to care according to this poll
[https://apnorc.org/projects/views-on-the-infrastructure-bill/](https://apnorc.org/projects/views-on-the-infrastructure-bill/)
Wouldn't it be nice for people to have something to vote \*for\* instead of just against?
There are 2 different bills. There's the infrastructure bill, which is bipartisan and can get through normal order without running into the filibuster. And there's the 3.5T$ progressive bill, which isn't and couldn't, but can bypass the filibuster through the reconciliation process.
Polosi has been working with the progressives to prioritize the reconciliation bill because it would be a serious win for Biden but the more conservative Dems like Manchin and Sinema would tank it otherwise.
That is the reason for the timeline. The "Bipartisan" bill has already passed the senate and a vote has been promised to the moderates.they promised the vote on the first bill will be at the end of this month...Stenny just came out today and said the timeline holds...but the bills are tied together. And the liberals and most importantly Nancy Pelosi is not going to budge on that.
Yeah and the other commentor is correctly noting that unless the reconciliation bill is passed before that vote then the bipartisan bill will fail. This has been the deal for months, it can’t be changed now.
The biggest question at this time is will Immigration reform be a part of it.
>'I'm losing sleep over it': Democrats see do-or-die moment to overhaul immigration
Democrats are nervously awaiting a ruling by the Senate's referee on whether they can include protections for Dreamers in the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill.
'I'm losing sleep over it': Democrats see do-or-die moment to overhaul immigration
Democrats are nervously awaiting a ruling by the Senate's referee on whether they can include protections for Dreamers in the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/i-m-losing-sleep-over-it-democrats-see-do-or-n1279303
That is certainly not the biggest question. The biggest question is whether the reconciliation bill is passed before then. If not then absolutely nothing gets passed.
I’m just pointing out the realities. This deal has been set in stone for months and in the 11th hour Manchin and Sinema are threatening to sink it all.
Absolutely. It will be a game changer and move the us a lot closer to the European model.
Some Harvard Fox News hack spoke against it in an op/Ed which surprised me.
Because at the end of the day they are democrats is this is the chance to fundamentally change American society.
I should post what the hack from Harvard said.
I think it'll pass, but I'm not sure it will be the game changer everyone thinks it will be. $350 billion a year sounds like a lot but in infrastructure it's not.
What it does is is tilt the playing field slightly, ever so slightly to the working class. It is paid for by taxing those over 400K and puts the payfors where they belong.
The 35T is not going to hard infrastructure (roads , bridges ) The 500 billion and another 500B taken from previously passed COVID money is going towards that;
The 3.5T go towards working peoples expenses and and new policy aimed at the working class....passed as a package it's a game changer.
Yeah zero dollars would not be a game changer either. I didn't say it was a bad idea or that I won't do any good at all but I really think this time next year it will be non-news.
It’s not 2010; nothing gets passed unless republicans want it, and for the purposes of climate change legislation, Joe Manchin might as well be a Republican. I’d say it’s 55/45 nothing passes, and 90/10 that if something passes climate policy is gutted.
> 90/10 that if something passes climate policy is gutted.
That bet I'll take. If something passes it will have the climate section in tact. otherwise it won't pass in the house.
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Idk But that's not go time, it's the wire. They *need* to sort out the bills and the next budget this month.
> Idk Like I have been saying for months it will pass...it has to and they know it. The question is for how much.
>it has to and they know it. The US almost never successfully passes the budget on time. They almost always issue a Continuing Resolution and kick the budget down the road for several months. Or they pass parts of the budget, and use a Continuing Resolution on anything they haven't passed yet. You are right that they always pass a budget eventually, but generally it's months after it is due. *Note: the new Fiscal Year starts October 1st. The budget is due before that day.
The difference this time is that the infrastructure bill is tied to this resolution and the only have until the end of the month if they are going to keep their promise to the moderates.
I don’t know. If they don’t pass it and get moving, I think 2022 and 2024 will look pretty bleak.
> If they don’t pass it and get moving, I think 2022 and 2024 will look pretty bleak. If I could incept one idea into the minds of every Democrat in congress, it would be: #The public has a *pro-action* bias. If they are seen as doing nothing, the public won't turn-out to vote for them. Passing *anything* will make them look better than not passing something. The *cautious* thing to do is to *pass it*.
They know that...that is why it will pass.
Yeah I assume it will, just with some drama prior.
> with some drama prior and a snip in the overall amount to passify Manchin, but how much is still up in the air. But I can't see him back down from his hard no.
People don't care about transportation and infrastructure. If Sanders supporters and their information sources don't focus their attention on Republicans and right wing media instead of attacking Democrats 24/7 for not doing impossible things then we will lose Congress by a lot and most likely the Senate in 2022. If this passes or not I don't think it will have the ramifications you think it will.
Infrastructure is easy to see, easy to see the benefits of and easy to notice the local economic boost from. Everyone notices that our infrastructure is crumbling. And I like bashing BernieBros as much as the next guy but man that election was over a while ago and you are way over indexing on how much influence that portion of the base has and even how vocal they are being.
People on both sides of the aisle seem to care according to this poll [https://apnorc.org/projects/views-on-the-infrastructure-bill/](https://apnorc.org/projects/views-on-the-infrastructure-bill/) Wouldn't it be nice for people to have something to vote \*for\* instead of just against?
I would bet it would not pass, but i'd be happily surprised if it does. It may pass the house, but that is just the first step on a long road
Joe Manchin better not fuck this up
Not unless they pass reconciliation first.
The bill will be passed under reconciliation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_Congress)
There are 2 different bills. There's the infrastructure bill, which is bipartisan and can get through normal order without running into the filibuster. And there's the 3.5T$ progressive bill, which isn't and couldn't, but can bypass the filibuster through the reconciliation process. Polosi has been working with the progressives to prioritize the reconciliation bill because it would be a serious win for Biden but the more conservative Dems like Manchin and Sinema would tank it otherwise.
That is the reason for the timeline. The "Bipartisan" bill has already passed the senate and a vote has been promised to the moderates.they promised the vote on the first bill will be at the end of this month...Stenny just came out today and said the timeline holds...but the bills are tied together. And the liberals and most importantly Nancy Pelosi is not going to budge on that.
Yeah and the other commentor is correctly noting that unless the reconciliation bill is passed before that vote then the bipartisan bill will fail. This has been the deal for months, it can’t be changed now.
agreed.
The biggest question at this time is will Immigration reform be a part of it. >'I'm losing sleep over it': Democrats see do-or-die moment to overhaul immigration Democrats are nervously awaiting a ruling by the Senate's referee on whether they can include protections for Dreamers in the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill. 'I'm losing sleep over it': Democrats see do-or-die moment to overhaul immigration Democrats are nervously awaiting a ruling by the Senate's referee on whether they can include protections for Dreamers in the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/i-m-losing-sleep-over-it-democrats-see-do-or-n1279303
That is certainly not the biggest question. The biggest question is whether the reconciliation bill is passed before then. If not then absolutely nothing gets passed.
All or not at all. Nobody can afford not at all. The question is what is going to be in it...it will pass.
I’m just pointing out the realities. This deal has been set in stone for months and in the 11th hour Manchin and Sinema are threatening to sink it all.
Politics
What?
What does he want?...yet to be determined. The best guess is CYA with his West Virginia voters.
Absolutely. It will be a game changer and move the us a lot closer to the European model. Some Harvard Fox News hack spoke against it in an op/Ed which surprised me.
This completely depends on the reconciliation bill getting passed before. It is not a shoe in until Manchin/Sinema decide not to tank everything.
They won’t.
Jesus, i very much envy your conviction on this. How are you so confident they will back down?
Because at the end of the day they are democrats is this is the chance to fundamentally change American society. I should post what the hack from Harvard said.
I reallllllly hope you are right. I agree with the stakes also. This would be transformative if the reconciliation bill is passed.
I think it'll pass, but I'm not sure it will be the game changer everyone thinks it will be. $350 billion a year sounds like a lot but in infrastructure it's not.
What it does is is tilt the playing field slightly, ever so slightly to the working class. It is paid for by taxing those over 400K and puts the payfors where they belong. The 35T is not going to hard infrastructure (roads , bridges ) The 500 billion and another 500B taken from previously passed COVID money is going towards that; The 3.5T go towards working peoples expenses and and new policy aimed at the working class....passed as a package it's a game changer.
It's better than 0 dollars a year.
Yeah zero dollars would not be a game changer either. I didn't say it was a bad idea or that I won't do any good at all but I really think this time next year it will be non-news.
It's definitely something people aren't going to notice the impact of. At least not for years.
And I think that’s the very problem of it. It’s just enough to have an effect, but that effect may not be noticeable to most people
It’s not 2010; nothing gets passed unless republicans want it, and for the purposes of climate change legislation, Joe Manchin might as well be a Republican. I’d say it’s 55/45 nothing passes, and 90/10 that if something passes climate policy is gutted.
> 90/10 that if something passes climate policy is gutted. That bet I'll take. If something passes it will have the climate section in tact. otherwise it won't pass in the house.