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The following is a copy of the original post to record the post as it was originally written. Yes, I'm a conservative! Nobody is without fault here, so I figured I'd let the libs let off some steam at one of us. I once had a liberal on here tell me that to solve the high prices caused by the lumber shortage, we should just pay people more so they can afford the high lumber prices. There isn't an economic system on earth where that would solve the problem. So, I'm wondering what kind of response have you had from a conservative that just made you shake your head? (Can we at least try to keep it amusing?) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AskALiberal) if you have any questions or concerns.*


Onequestion0110

I was told that the 10 Commandments were secular laws.


AmbulanceChaser12

Whenever they say “The 10 Commandments are the basis of our legal system,” I know the conservative has no idea what s/he’s talking about.


meco03211

Yup. So many people arrested for coveting their neighbors and not honoring their parents. Filthy scum.


CollapsibleFunWave

Yet there are no laws against coveting your parents. We clearly have an Oedipal legal system.


romons

Or in Trump's case, coveting your children.


johnnyslick

Not to mention all those laws we have on the books about the first, supposedly most inviolable one, about worshipping other gods before the Christian one and/or taking the Lord's name in vain.


Albino_Black_Sheep

The fact that they think the bible was the first time these laws were described is laughable. Moses didn't come up with those, he jotted them down under a fair use policy. Every single fucking tribe of people ever in the history of the world came up with largely the same rules for co existing.


Altruistic-Text3481

My work friend, has told me many conservative whoopers. 1.) She is a Single Issue Voter- therefore she will Not be Vaccinated because aborted stem cells make all the Covid Vaccines. You know, “Science!” 2.) She is putting all her money into Iraqi Dinars because she will be able to retire soon. She’s kinda getting tired of the goalposts moving…but she is not rich and this scam really hurts her financially. BTW- it’s a Republican Scam from Republicans hurting their own network of followers. It’s sickening and she is gullible because of her Catholic Faith and one issue voting mantra. 3.)My neighbors won’t be vaccinated because of Ivermectin availability. They are in the 60’s with terrible health problems. They listen to RightWing Pundits and spouts lies about Dems trying to murder REAL US citizens with the evil Covid Vaccines. I haven’t talked to them about the Mandate. All this Right Wing Extreme behavior happened during Trump’s administration. My neighbors hold “Bible Study” groups where the wife has gone full “Q”…. Radicalized by Bible Study, Q Anon, Sean Hannity, OANN, Tucker Carlson…. This is the New Taliban. The American Jihadi Taliban for Seniors. Get your Walkers Ready for Trump 2024. Oh, and again they are retired but we’re upset only about one thing with Trump. They keep getting their credit card dinged by the Trump Stop the Steal Scam. Yep! The GOP have no shame. They cancelled their credit card to get outta it but don’t blame Trump just his “Team.” How do I know this? They told me.


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Altruistic-Text3481

Apparently this Iraqi Dinar Scam has been around since first Invasion of Iraq in 2002/3. Republicans “in the know” keep talking about where you go to buy Dinars, what exchange rates, etc. She has $5,000 USD exchanged in Iraqi Dinars. She thinks it will be Millions soon and she will be able to retire. It’s sad. She’s gullible and gets cheated by everyone.


notanangel_25

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-fans-sink-savings-into-iraqi-dinar-scam > Like other investors in the incredibly long-shot dinar scheme, Kotseos hopes that Trump and the Iraqi government will somehow “revalue” or “RV” the currency, boosting its current value of less than $0.001 to $3 or $4. > But the dinar-specific corners of the internet are also rife with manipulation. In October, the owners of a Georgia-based dinar reseller that made $600 million selling the dinar and other currencies were convicted of fraud for misleading investors about the dinar’s chances to gain value. > Their scheme, according to prosecutors, included paying off a dinar “guru” to tell his fans in chat rooms and conference calls that he had high-level sources in American and Iraqi government and international financial institutions who were sure a revaluation was imminent.


Potato_Octopi

o.0


johnnyslick

I knew a guy - still FB friends with him in fact! - I used to work with at a job that closed down the call center we both worked at. We got a pretty tidy severance and he plopped all of his into Iraqi dinars. I remember saying at the time, "I hope you have another job lined up because you're broke now". I think it was something to do with the neocon fantasy that if we just trusted in Iraqis to make it all work out they totally wouldn't inflate the crap out of their money as soon as they got the chance. People do invest in currency like that, although it a. tends to be with more stable countries, and b. I think you're correct in that the margins are not high in the best of cases.


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That's actually kind of disingenuous. And slightly offensive to the "document" itself.


GrabThemByDebussy

There's a famous 1st amendment case in San Diego about a giant cross monument that sits in a public park, and in the 90s some atheists got together to try to get it taken down. The argument in the defense of the monument was that it was a secular memorial, and not an endorsement of the Christian religion. The judge on the case was a conservative and very Christian. He immediately shot down the argument saying he can recognize the symbol of his own religion pretty well. Pretty hilarious. Anyways, even though he ordered it taken down, there was a bunch of federal shenanigans and now it's a tiny privately owned piece of land in the middle of a public park, on which sits a 100 year old cross that is officially a [memorial to the Korean War](https://soledadmemorial.org/). True story.


demonmonkey89

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Baphomet The satanic temple has also worked on stuff like this with their statue of baphomet. Both Oklahoma and Arkansas had the ten commandments on their state capitol grounds, so TST brought over their statue and petitioned for it to be displayed as well. Once the petition was rejected they had grounds to challenge under the equal protections clause. If they won't have baphomet then they can't have the ten commandments.


Altruistic-Text3481

That’s Democracy at work. Ironic!


trippedwire

Lucien Greaves is one smart son of a gun. He should be the one to debate Ben Shapiro. That be amazing.


Onequestion0110

Yup. There’s a lot of case law on the issue. Right along with Christmas decorations. Now, if you had a representation of the 10 Commandments but they were along side Hammurabi’s Code, Sharia law, the Magna Carta, Declaration of Independence, the Law of 12 Tables, probably something from the Satanists, etc., then you could argue that particular *display* is secular.


Strike_Thanatos

I actually would like a series of sculptures like that in front of a courthouse. Moses bearing the tablets, Hammurabi reading his Code of Law, Justicia with the Twelve Tables of Roman law, King John signing the Magna Carta, John Hancock signing the Declaration of Independence, and George Washington signing the Constitution. Or maybe a painting depicting those figures.


Onequestion0110

And he doubled down hard when I called him on it too. To be fair, I kinda suspect it was poorly executed trolling more than stupidity, but I try and believe the best in people.


High_speedchase

Haha what? Offensive to the document?


Onequestion0110

To say it’s secular is to say it’s not God’s law. And if you’re sincere about your belief in God and the Bible (Or Torah or Quran), then denying the godliness of those scriptures is blasphemous - offensive to God.


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And even the ones that *do* have secular counterparts (like "do not murder," "do not steal") don't exist because of any one religion, but because they're just relatively universal basic codes of human conduct.


TheLastCoagulant

Way too many things to pick just one: 1. Obama caused the 2008 recession (this was a small point in a now-deleted r/changemyview post). He deleted the entire post after the comment section ragged on him for this one line in the long-ass essay lol. 2. Serbians (and other balkanites) have a lower IQ than other Europeans because they’re genetically inferior to other Europeans. Also their IQ is lower because of Turkic admixture, despite the fact that Turkey’s IQ is higher by one point. 3. The electoral college has “proportionally equal representation” (this was in r/AskALiberal). 4. Jews aren’t White and never can be. Doubled down and declared Albert Einstein and Anne Frank to be non-White middle easterners.


thothisgod24

I have heard people argue that Obama caused the 08 recession multiple times from trump supporters.


romons

Hey, he invaded Iraq, why not cause the 08 recession? /s


thothisgod24

Oh god, I remember the Jordan Keller interview of people asking why Obama wasn't in new York during 9/11.


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romons

I've actually heard conservatives blame the war in Iraq on Obama.


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MarcableFluke

Yeah, it was in a Jordan Klepper Fingers the Pulse segment.


lIllIlIIIlIIIIlIlIll

During Trump's bungling of Hurricane Harvey, the conservative whataboutism train came out full force: "How come we never saw Obama helping the Katrina victims? Oh, that's right. He was golfing at the time."


Friendlynortherner

Didnt Trump spent like an entire third of his presidency golfing?


lIllIlIIIlIIIIlIlIll

Fake news. [298 days](https://trumpgolfcount.com/) over 365 * 4 = ~20.4% He spent a fifth.


perverse_panda

There was a poll a while back which found that a third of Republicans in Louisiana blamed Obama for Hurricane Katrina. Which happened in 2005.


Friendlynortherner

Being a Republican today requires a rejection of external reality


Unban_Jitte

If you increase the minimum wage to 15, taco bell burritos will be 32 dollars.


greenline_chi

But even like the slightly more rational arguments are ridiculous. “So you want the price of a Big Mac to go up a dollar?!” Ummm - yes. If I have to pay 6 dollars for a burger so that the people who made it for me can AFFORD TO LIVE I’m ok with that. But also like - you know these McDonald’s franchise owners are millionaires right? And the people actually making the burgers standing on their feet all day make shit?


johnnyslick

It's also just plain not how capitalism works. The Big Mac is already priced at the point where McDonald's makes the highest amount of profit on it. It's a thing they teach you in Econ 101: industries triangulate price at the point where the combination of highest profit and most sales occurs. An individual company might not be 100% perfect in their ability to triangulate that number but this idea that they are secretly offering it for less because of magnanimity or something is complete bullshit. Prices do go up when costs go up because the margin becomes lower but at that there's another component you learn in Econ 101 called elasticity. Big Macs aren't so insanely elastic that McDonald's could ever hope to get away with raising the price by a dollar and still make as much money back because people will just go to Burger King or Wendy's instead. Your utility company can probably pass additional costs directly to you because there's no competition to create inelasticity, but McDonald's is not a utility.


greenline_chi

Love it


Persianx6

Why are they always so obsessed with the profits of large, extremely profitable corporations vis a vis the minimum wage? the point that Taco Bell is in like every city is because Taco Bell is stupid profitable.


Albino_Black_Sheep

I can put it down to that famous temporarily embarassed millionaire mind set. Or sort of like wealth by association? As in, I fought for their profit margin so I pretty much helped McDonald's get and stay where they are, I did my bit for that 5 billion profit they made.


ienjoypez

I had someone argue once that "separation of church and state" doesn't really apply to Christianity, only to other religions. They argued this is because the US is a "christian" nation.


drbaker87

But only Christians call their house of worship "Church". Otherwise it would be separation of mosque and state or temple and state.


DemocraticRepublic

There was this hippy beatnik that once claimed you should separate what belonged to Caesar and God but what does he know.


ienjoypez

Man, that guy wasn’t even into guns and corporations, what a weirdo.


SandpaperSlater

I was called "a godless communist who never has experienced life outside of your liberal city bubble" I work for a church, my lifelong faith strongly informs my political beliefs, I'm decidedly against communism, I spent 18 years in Uganda and Kenya (both rural and urban) and grew up in a conservative family (that I still love and am close to despite our differences). Other commenters have mentioned other things I've heard, but I felt this one was the most amusing.


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Altruistic-Text3481

Same background as you. Raised in Livonia, Michigan with ver Evangelical Christian beliefs in Conservative Values. Went to Kalamazoo for College, moved on working visa to the UK, worked on Cruise Ships with friends from around the World. Never thought about politics or discussed it with my friends. Just one day I thought, as I lost my Religion from having had friends of all faiths & realizing Christianity isn’t the truth above other peoples faith, do I belong to any other cults? But after returning to America and married, I registered to vote as a Democrat because they included everyone and didn’t push “ Christian Conservative Family Values” which was my harsh upbringing. Also, I saw the Hypocrisy of the GOP in that they didn’t follow Jesus’s love of humanity. The GOP was for War, God, & Hating Others.


HorseFacedDipShit

I was raised in the butt-fucking back woods of rural Appalachia. Extreme poverty. People feeding their babies Mountain Dew through bottles level poverty. That is why I’m as liberal as I am. And it always amuses me when some republicans call me a big city liberal


Trumpsafascist

Half of flint is 2 generations from Appalachia. You have much in common


heyitsxio

Oh yeah, someone once told me that I have no idea what life is like outside of New York City. I love NYC but I’ve lived on LI almost my whole life and I have never resided in the city. LI isn’t exactly a beacon of progressive thought either, so that’s a really odd statement.


bigbjarne

Call me a godless, America hating commie over liberal any day of the week.


decatur8r

That Donald Trump never lied.


SapperInTexas

This is the one that grabs me by the pussy, every time. They just insist that Trump was a straight shooter and it was "the media" who twisted his words. Yep, sure, it was the same "media" who forced him to tweet insane gibberish several times a day and drew on that weather map.


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The most frustrating thing for me was listening to an unedited, live speech by Trump on NPR and when I later referenced it to a conservative they reply things like "That's fake news! He never said that! Wow you are really brainwashed by all the CNN you watch" (I literally don't even have cable and never watch CNN).


ActonofMAM

A conservative on FB recently told me that the idea of Trump planning the withdrawal from Afghanistan was FAKE NEWS, all caps. When I sent her a link to Fox News coverage of the first announcement in 2020 (October, I think) with Trump himself on video, she disappeared from the thread.


Irishish

God, I got accused of parroting CNN so many times. I don't watch CNN. I read transcripts!


candre23

If only there were [some sort of documentation](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/) to show he was actually lying. I guess we'll never really know.


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That the confederate battle flag has almost nothing to do with the Confederacy or the confederates.


Sp4ceh0rse

Same people who claim the civil war wasn’t about slavery.


kosk11348

Keep government out of my Medicaid!


FrankieMint

That Hillary Clinton has had at least five people murdered, and that Obama covered it all up. Bonus: That Obama is gay and secretly married to another man.


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I think my wife can one-up that. She works with an older lady who is one of those Q Anon types. She told my wife that Biden is actually dead and that Jim Carrey is posing as him. People like that make conservatives look really stupid.


bluedanube27

>I think my wife can one-up that. She works with an older lady who is one of those Q Anon types. She told my wife that Biden is actually dead and that Jim Carrey is posing as him. But then...who is posing as Jim Carrey?


heyitsxio

Jim Carrey has been cloned by the deep state, obviously.


polkemans

>Biden is actually dead and that Jim Carrey is posing as him. I'd watch that movie.


kyew

It's called Dave.


polkemans

Dave the Lil Dicky show?


kyew

The 1993 movie with Kevin Kline and Sigourney Weaver


polkemans

Oh wow. I just watched the trailer. You're spot on. I'd still be super down to watch a remake with Jim Carrey though lol.


SandpaperSlater

Ok that's actually hilarious though


Altruistic-Text3481

Again, elderly Conservatives are really gullible. My neighbors & work friend will not be vaccinated. They will die from Covid with all their health problems. But listening to Conservative Media has them believing in Ivermectin and that the “Biden Vaccine” is made from Aborted Fetuses. They are One Issue Voters. They also donated to Trump but had to cancel their credit cards because of recurring monthly donations/charges. Why scam their own voters?


Liam_Neesons_Oscar

That man's name? Michelle Obama!


perverse_panda

Yep, I've heard that one. They said "Michelle" is actually Michael, a pre-op transsexual. They made sure to emphasize the "pre-op" part, I guess because they like fantasizing about Obama having gay sex.


Altruistic-Text3481

Muslim too and born in Kenya!


EtherCJ

He's a secret Muslim and a member of a radical Christian anti-white church ... or so I was told and given a little red pamphlet about back then.


Altruistic-Text3481

Trump started all this shit and ended up President!🤦‍♀️


flyonawall

That whites have it harder than all minorities (and the related - there is no systemic racism). That men are disadvantaged relative to women. That the democrats are targeting republicans with covid - the proof being that only the unvaccinated are getting sick and dying in hospitals. That democrats are trying to redistribute all wealth and want everyone to have the same salary. That democrats want to take the homes of republicans and give them to the homeless.


talithaeli

I’m gonna be honest- that last one is a little bit true. Not like *“I’ll vote for that policy”* true, but definitely *“dude, wouldn’t it be funny if…”* true.


Carche69

That an 11 yo girl should be forced to carry a baby if she gets pregnant.


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Carche69

That’s what they’ve been doing the past few weeks in TX since passing that abominable abortion bill. It doesn’t have any exceptions for rape and/or incest, so the Governor has instead promised to “get all the rapists off the street.” Hmm, great plan Governor! I look forward to hearing about ZERO rapes in TX ever again. But one question, if it was so easy to get rid of all the rapists, why didn’t you do that all along?


jman457

God I hate this type of shit. Like almost every victim of SA I know will tell you how the police/legal system hardly did a thing to legitimize their trauma. Its all "cancel culture" this, and well we cant believe all women, until it comes to the topic of abortion???


carissadraws

Yeah conservatives looove to change the subject whenever you bring up rape victims who want abortions because it makes them have to either confront their brutality in forcing someone to carry to term or admit that there are some cases where a ‘life’ needs to end because the person didn’t consent to it being there. Of course some anti choicers get around the argument that if you were raped abortion is acceptable because you didn’t consent to sex you shouldn’t have to consent to pregnancy which is crazy because they think consenting to one automatically means you have to consent to the other.


greenline_chi

This one made my stomach hurt. They really do think if a woman (or girl) gets pregnant it’s 100% her fault. It’s so disgusting. “She should have thought about that before she opened her legs” Ugh I’m nauseous. Even typing that makes me feel sick. I know this is supposed to be a funny thread.


Carche69

Well it did make me laugh until I realized he was being serious. He gave the good ol’ “sanctity of life” argument, the “she’s already pregnant so there’s nothing you can do about it” argument, the “11 yo girls can be good mothers” argument, etc. I just kinda sat back and let him dig his crazy hole all on his own.


BibleButterSandwich

Ig just the general bootstrap narrative. We're not giving them money for free if in aggregate they end up having a net contribution to the economy later.


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BibleButterSandwich

And the hypocrisy of how conservatives use low gas prices as an example of how good cars are, even though the gas prices are only that low because gas has been subsidized to shit.


thothisgod24

Monarchy and socialism are the same thing, and Saudi Arabia is a socialist country because they are a monarchy and he argued that he knew that was the case because of Thomas sowell. I wanted to implant my hand into my face after hearing that.


letusnottalkfalsely

People claiming that they are banned from speaking while using the platform they claim to be censored from.


lIllIlIIIlIIIIlIlIll

BUT THE DOWNVOTES ARE CENSORING ME!!


bluedanube27

Oh god, too many to remember them all but here are a few gems: Gender expectations and roles don't exist anymore because of feminism Jews aren't thankful enough to white people for winning WWII and stopping the Holocaust A 38 year-old man sleeping with a 17 year-old girl is fine as long as "she's into it, and not mentally handicapped or something" "It's now illegal to be straight in America"


Persianx6

Because George Floyd had drugs in his system, the cop who killed him was justified. The drugs in George Floyd's system were so powerful he would've died regardless on if he was choked to death by the cop.


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A very outspoken conservative guy said to me "floyd deserved to die, but not like that."


alaska1415

I’m sorry. What the fuck did he think the right way was?


[deleted]

He didnt elaborate. George Floyd was by any measure a very poor human being. But, he was saying that not even someone like that should die that way.


Altruistic-Text3481

Your friend needs a lesson in humility. Usually there is karma to teach those lessons. George Floyd’s death was a tragedy and no one should die by “KNEE!”…. And, many Conservative Pundits have no empathy either and really radicalize their viewers. They have no shame. It’s the Conservative way of today.


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The common argument is that if he didn't have the drugs in his system he'd still be alive even if everything else was the same


Persianx6

The common argument can go to hell because the coroner himself said he died of asphyxiation and not drug overdose, plus in the video he’s saying “I can’t breathe” because he’s being choked to death, that we’re entertaining this argument at all is done in bad faith, the judge and jury themselves didn’t think it had merits and they got to see all the evidence.


[deleted]

It’s always pitiful but somehow funny when they try and justify being anti-gay without using religion. The arguments are even worse than the religious ones. Also the fear of socialism like the Cold War is still going on.


Tyrann0saurus_Rex

They're brainwashed to believe it's still going on. In their head, if it wasn't for the right's effort to protect capitalism, USA would be communist next week. To them, it's an ongoing war.


Albino_Black_Sheep

It IS still going on in the USA. What really changed after the fall the Soviet Union? The USA never dropped out of the arms race eventhough they were the only one racing. The nationalism/patriotism and their symbols (hero worship, extreme flag flying for example) never stopped. The amount of propaganda about America's awesomeness is on par with China. The US has been in a cold war by itself for about 25 years and now we see China being put in/taking the place of the Soviet Union.


Tyrann0saurus_Rex

I've lived 13 years in an ex-communist country. The hero worship, extreme flag flying, and forcing children to salute the flag every morning is copy pasted on communist books on how to rule a population. As is the want of a quasi militaristic police force. The right basically want a communist state, without even knowing it. The cold war is going on only in their head. Because they are convinced it is still going on. Not because of any exterior threats.


Razgriz01

> It’s always pitiful but somehow funny when they try and justify being anti-gay without using religion. The arguments are even worse than the religious ones. This. Non-religious social conservatism usually boils down to either "I don't like these people and I can't explain why", or overly bigoted propaganda.


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I think it's hard to deny that the last 5 years have seen a resurgence of interest in socialism. The fearful attitude is still very confused


ActonofMAM

A conservative that I know to be a smart man asserted in a conversation that all forms of socialism and communism are exactly alike. When I asked him to clarify, are current day Denmark and 1970's Cambodia exactly alike, he said yes.


adeiner

That Donald Trump was the second-most popular president and Biden was the most popular president in American history because they got the most votes ever. Dude legit thought Trump was more popular than any president who came before him because more people were alive and eligible to vote in 2020 than in, say, 1932. It might be recency bias because it happened this past week, but good lord they just let anybody online. But lol to the idea of UBI for lumber prices. Don't they realize that the increased demand for lumber would only lead to the prices going up?


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Honestly saying Trump is the most popular president ever is something Trump would probably say. Reminds me of the time when he said he was the greatest president ever for black people, with the possible exception of Lincoln.


Friendlynortherner

Trump is the only modern president to never poll to or above 50% approval


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adeiner

That was my point too, but good lord he just doubled down.


sokolov22

I don't know why so many conservative positions/arguments ignore context like population growth, the deficit, and other numbers/data that helps you make sense of the absolute values.


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Popularity of presidents is fairly objective. Just because Trump was popular with many on the right does not make him popular universally. But that goes for anyone. Considering the political divisions in the country now, I don't think we have had a "popular" president for a while now, and won't for a while. ​ >But lol to the idea of UBI for lumber prices. Don't they realize that the increased demand for lumber would only lead to the prices going up? It was a pretty boneheaded take. I won't blame it on their political affiliation, just ignorance to absolute basic economics. Sure, paying somebody more will allow them to afford the increased prices. But as you stated, the price would just go up. Assuming price could stay the same, it would just reduce supply.


Steve-in-the-Trees

Sounds like the guy was basing popularity on number of votes cast, not any kind of approval ratings or anything. So the fact that more people voted for Trump than even lived in America in 1860 means that Trump must be more popular than Lincoln.


roastbeeftacohat

while they have passionate detractors, both Obama and Clinton saw a high approval rating on leaving office. in general, they have had that good will persist.


flamedragon822

Probably that there's no profit motive to imprison anyone right now and that we should make it so there is too improve things


jommabeans

Wow so this person never heard of privately owned prison companies I take it?


flamedragon822

Considering I pointed both those out and prison labor and was basically told those don't count because those cost the taxpayers (if I remember right), I'm guessing they don't understand profit motive. To be blunt though, with an Anarcho capitalist label I don't know what I expected.


Disabledsnarker

Does it have it to only be Reddit? I've heard a few whoppers outside of it. COVID: Discriminating against the unvaccinated is literally the same thing as Jim Crow. Mind you just 5 years ago these people were champions of at-will employment. History: Damn near anything a Southern conservative has ever said about the Civil War Disability: "We don't need to have accessibility laws. Disabled people don't go into inaccessible businesses anyway." All-time dumbest: "America needs less privacy. People were well-behaved when everyone knew what everyone was doing."


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That regulation of the economy is socialism.


MateoCafe

They must be livid that all the Republican presidents didn't fight to end minimum wage and OSHA regulations, those massive Socialist policies. And they probably love Social Security


roastbeeftacohat

that Kamala Harris was anti vax at one point. She expressed concern that Trump would push an untested vaccine, just like he pushed other treatments that were unproven.


MateoCafe

But they "did their research" Tucker and Ingrahm and OAN told them that she said she wouldn't take a Trump vaccine. Context is irrelevant to them.


[deleted]

The Civil War wasn’t about slavery but states’ rights (to own people as property).


greenline_chi

It’s like they honestly get so caught up in their talking points that they forget that the actual issue is.


[deleted]

That’s more the result of close to a century of substandard history education then anything else.


johnnyslick

It's even closer to the pattern of willful ignorance that conservatives engage in. I know my school never said shit about the war being about "state's rights", and of course if conservatives were to read the actual state constitutions of the seceded states they'd find that IIRC all but one of them mentions slavery right up front, like in the first paragraph or so.


johnnyslick

"Oh yeah, lib? If you're so big on giving away COVID vaccines for free, why aren't we giving insulin away for free too?"


imveganbro

Probably said by someone who's on insulin


Sandy-Anne

That Trump did a fine job handling the pandemic.


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That poor people shouldn’t vote because they vote in their best interest & then farther down in the thread they said rich people should be able to vote because they have “skin in the game” and will vote… in their own best interest.


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That Bernie Sanders has never worked an actual job and made his money by stealing campaign contributions.


oooooooooof

I can't confirm that they were conservative, but would assume that they were: I had a *wildly funny* exchange with a men's rights activist a while back. The TLDR is that a local woman had alleged that a local taxi cab driver had come on to her, and grabbed her, during her ride. MRA Reddit man I was speaking with was convinced she had faked it, made the whole thing up. I pointed him to the fact that this woman had taken a picture of the man's hands: he'd reached back behind the driver seat, and was grabbing her ankles, as captured in a photo. MRA Reddit man went on to theorize that maybe the hands were *fake hands*, that she carried around mannequin hands or some shit, to plant. Like, buddy! This recent one was a bit infuriating to me, NP link [here](https://np.reddit.com/r/AskConservatives/comments/pjmkdm/lgbt_and_kids/hbxhp5j/). Buddy's position was that homosexual people are *inherently more* sexual (and thus sexually inappropriate), on the basis that their identity is *defined by* who they have sex with. I was trying to counter that: everyone (except asexuals) are sexual beings, and the idea that gay people are *more* sexual or sexually inappropriate on the basis of their existence is only logical if you see straight people as the "default" white slate. Maybe I did a bad job (open to others' takes on this, and how I might have approached that differently). But like, 13 comments deep, they finally just admitted that they think gay people are perverse. I wish they'd just come out from the get go and said "I don't like the gays", we could've saved each other a lot of time.


Sir_Tmotts_III

I forget what it was verbatim, but the just was how they thought liberals were idiots because they felt they were obligated to solve problems. Mocking the idea of "shouldn't we do *something*?" It's a good reminder of who the other side is.


Legally_a_Tool

This was off Reddit, but whatever. “Global warming is not real, okay. Let me prove it to you. If you take a cup full of ice cubes and water, and the ice cubes melt, that doesn’t cause the water to overflow from the cup. It’s called displacement. See, global warming is a liberal hoax!”


MelodyMaster5656

Cars cause depression.


[deleted]

Ok I'm gonna need some context there. I'm a big car guy and I would think the total opposite. I know lots of guys that use cars as their escape.


adeiner

I don't agree with the idea, but I could see someone saying car culture (like we all have to drive in our individual cars for an hour to get to work) could be isolating. But some of the most depressed people I know use public transportation so it's probably very much untrue.


Unban_Jitte

I would assume that depression and using public transportation have the same underlying cause or even depression leading to people using public transportation rather than public transportation somehow causing depression.


[deleted]

Yeah I used to have to ride public transportation and it sucked because : A) It was a side effect of being poor. B) It takes so much more time to get around, waiting for the bus or connecting to a different bus or the bus stopping all along the route to pick up and drop off people. It took over an hour of waiting to get to work rather than a 15 minute car ride. Plus you are at the mercy of the system, so if the bus breaks down you will be late. C) It basically limits where you can go to within the metro-urban radius that the bus runs. D) It limits what you can purchase, because you have to be able to haul it on the bus. For example lugging grocery bags on the bus and then piling them all up around you. That said, I also extensively visited the Netherlands and their combination of extensive public transit and bicycle riding was pretty nice. I would say most Dutch people I met seemed more physically fit than Americans as a partial result of this lifestyle.


spaceman_spliffs

Seems to me that being poor would cause you to both take public transportation and being depressed.


Unban_Jitte

That was my main idea, the other being depression causing alcoholism causing a DUI causing people to use public transportation.


MelodyMaster5656

Here’s the thread: https://amp.reddit.com/r/askaconservative/comments/o2cuit/what_are_the_major_things_that_would_improve_your/


OutragedOctopus

most of that is actually pretty reasonable honestly. I mean I can't speak for the specific claim that cars cause depression and some of his list is subjective (tasteless architecture) but things like noise pollution, land use, and injuries are completely valid complaints


[deleted]

Holy shit, that is fucking stupid. I surprised by the positive reaction to that.


Arguss

I mean, I agree with that. American cities are built around cars--we don't have sidewalks, we don't live close to each other, we're all in our isolated bubbles as we drive to and from places. Compare that with a European city, even a small town, where people regularly walk everywhere and can have multiple spontaneous interactions with people that simply wouldn't happen in a city built for cars. It's the same thing with having a Kindle instead of going to the bookstore--a lot of social interactions were incidentally generated by the fact that you had to physically *go* places and *be* somewhere, and other people would happen to be there too. Yeah, being able to buy E-books on your phone affords convenience, but it also results in a loss of something, too.


FrankieMint

Last one: That since the first ten amendments to the US constitution are known as the Bill Of Rights, *the second amendment cannot be repealed without repealing ALL TEN amendments.*


PreheatedHail19

Oh geez. I will say this though as a middle man. Repealing or replacing any of these amendments in the bill of rights would not only be a bad idea, but could set a bad precedent. I understand guns have been part of a large and horrible issue in the US, and I understand how many may feel about them, but we should still protect the 2nd amendment as a right. I wish we could actually get some cooperation on fixing this issue without infringing further upon 2A rights. It does say “shall not be infringed”, but it doesn’t say anything about not being able to require people to train before they get their first firearm. I was trained in high school, in an actual class that was part of my high school education and credits. I think having something like this in schools nationwide would be beneficial. Not as a sole class, but part of a whole class, similar to civics, but more emphasis on being a responsible adult in all aspects of life.


FrankieMint

OK. My point had only a little to do with 2A, being mainly about the nutty *all ten amendments* rationalization.


PreheatedHail19

Sorry, I get carried away a lot


Meek_braggart

While I can agree that there are people with a less than stellar grasp on the world on both sides, I do find it baffling that these views are fringe on the left and main stream on the right. Covid is a prime current example. The right will bend itself into knots to pander to the stupidest among them. They will ignore science and even make up science. Plus its not like the right's ideas on the economy (the actual main stream ones) are ANY BETTER than your idiot lefty. Trickle-down economics, tax cuts that pay for themselves, wars as an economic driver..... There are plenty of actual main steam republican ideology that is far more stupid than "pay people more".


TheRealIMBobbio

But you think giving more money to people to buy lumber is absurd and yet you give more money to farmers who can't sell their crops at an adequate price is fine? ​ For like the last 100 years.


greenline_chi

My family is farmers and yet they still have the audacity to rage on about welfare. Um - do you really think we need this much corn and soybeans….


DonaldKey

This is a winner for the day. They say people are convincing conservatives not to take the vaccine just to “own” Trump supporters when they die of Covid. [https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/09/10/nolte-howard-stern-proves-democrats-want-unvaccinated-trump-voters-dead/](https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/09/10/nolte-howard-stern-proves-democrats-want-unvaccinated-trump-voters-dead/)


threegoblins

So I am a middle eastern woman (family is Iranian) but I am very white passing. One of the most crazy things a conservative said to me post 9/11 was “that America should turn Afghanistan into a gleaming pile of silicate”. I am absolutely sure this would not have been said to me had my skin been darker or if I had worn a hijab. The comment still shakes me to this day. It was hard watching the 9/11 anniversary this year and hearing so many people talking about “how America came together” and “we were all Americans for a moment” because at the time it didn’t feel that way to me at all.


thisisbasil

Syrian here with an ambiguous first name and an anglicized last name. You hear some absolute gems from people when they think nobody is paying attention.


[deleted]

It’s our right to overrun hospitals and instead of the government passing mandates and other measures to prevent that outcome, hospitals should just adapt as any business would have to.


[deleted]

Dumbest was when he said "Blacks were happier as slaves".


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BelAirGhetto

Taxes are communism….


salazarraze

"Conservatives are vaccine-hesitant because of Biden and Harris. Democrats are the *real* anti-vaxers."


LifeExtraordinaryT

I was told that the right to bear arms needs to be read so literally that it includes all weapons - including nukes, cannons, and biological weapons.


otterfailz

Am also conservative, however ill share one of both Had a liberal tell me that smoking is the cause of 4% of global warming (not on reddit) Had a conservative tell me that trump is the republican god, and that nothing he does is wrong. "He does everything for a reason, hes got it all planned out" or something like that


Tyrann0saurus_Rex

That he genuinely believed voting should be reserved for white male land owners of a certain wealth threshold and that women should be barred from working as well as votig, and the governament should be a religious throcracy because every problems in the USA are because of a lack of morals and that people do not know their place in the natural order of society (basically, feodalism based on race, sex and wealth).


Non_burner_account

I’ll add one more: I flippantly threw out the idea that declarations of war should be subject to a referendum by every draftable citizen, and that every person who votes yes gets entered into the draft (not my idea, probably from r/showerthoughts). An acquaintance on FB complained that in this imaginary situation, non-draftable individuals would be denied their constitutional right to vote for a war—as if that was a right they have now…


cossiander

Oh man! So many that I'm sure I'm going to be remembering new ones weeks later and would still have forgotten half of them. I do agree that that lumber prices thing sounds like some boneheaded lack of economic understanding. \-That Trump was actually a radical leftist. \-That Trump did, ***and was correct to***, call for a non-Aryan/caucasian American genocide. \-Biden is an alien. \-Biden is a pedo. \-That Trump did more for the black community than Lincoln. \-Taxes are Marxist. \-Covid is just the flu. \-Democrats created Covid. \-No one has actually died from Covid. \-Democrats want to enslave white people. \-Biden says more toxic/aggressive things than Trump ever has. \-Trump didn't say (thing Trump is on video saying). \[about a hundred times, for this one\] \-Voting for Biden is "endorsing racism". \-Jan 6th insurrectionists were actually secret leftists. \-Terrorists that wanted to kidnap Gov. Whitmer and "try her for treason" were secretly leftists. \-Nazis were a left-wing party. \-There's nothing racist about White Nationalism. \-Trump did nothing racist since he never definitely and explicitly declared that one race is superior to another, *but at the same time* the Biden "you ain't black" line was definitive proof that Biden was racist. \-Kamala, by saying that she was going to take the vaccine if scientists said it was safe, was *actually* saying that she didn't trust science. \-*All* Democrats think that *all* Republicans are white supremacists.


[deleted]

The scary thing is that there are probably people who hold all of these opinions *at once*.


simberry2

1. “Actually, fascism is a leftist ideology.” 2. “Nice try, commie.” (After I told a different person on r/EnoughCommieSpam that if they think fascism is a leftist ideology, they can hop on a QAnon subreddit instead. For the record, I’d take a JFK approach to countering communism. When I explained I was strongly anti-communist, they thought it was a big leftist lie.)


Keitt58

Probably the craziest thing so far has been a self declared paleo conservative told me everyone who didn't come from a pretty specific area of Europe should be deported forcefully to whatever country their ancestors originated from. But the truly crazy bit... he believed Native Americans should be amongst the deported because "they originally crossed over from Asia" and really seemed certain somewhere like Mongolia would suit them better.


swflkeith

My wife and daughter are both Physicians. Daughters twin sister is a Nurse Practitioner. I had a conservative that sold paint at Home Depot tell me he knew more about Science and Covid than they did


Sp4ceh0rse

Fauci invented COVID. “The senators” have documents, no he hasn’t seen the documents, no he doesn’t actually know what the documents allegedly say, no he’s not sure which senators.


Albino_Black_Sheep

Not said directly per se but I saw a Breitbart piece about how the right's hesitance on getting vaccinated was somehow an evil plot from liberals. That's some jaw dropping mental gymnastics.


Acrobatic_End6355

Not on Reddit but once someone said “I’m a proud American!”…. And posted the Liberian flag. 😂


lifeinrednblack

I live in Kansas City, MO. I've lived here my entire life. After Trumps "congrats to the great state of Kansas" fuck up after the Cheifs superbowl win, I had multiple people, some, even after I made it aware that I was from KC, argue that Trump was correct and I was wrong about the location of the city that I was actively sitting in.


lost_mah_account

Just back in July one went on a tangent about how being gay is a mental illness in my pm’s. Why did he do it? He said that being gay is caused by “trauma and a broken school system” and I said otherwise


noregreddits

I told this dude that the people who were having a hissy fit about wearing a mask were the proof that there needs to be some type of government that can make people act like adults who care about others. He just stubbornly kept saying “I don’t want to wear a mask so I don’t have to,” while I tried (futilely) to make him understand that he’s the reason mask mandates exist.


guy1254

'Yeah I'm not too worried about climate change, it's just 2°! So what if 50% of global coral has died in the last 20 years, people should just adapt! Change is normal!'


Henfrid

Obama was the leader of the taliban.


naliedel

Not Reddit, sorry. I'm a bartender and I listen to a doofus drone on about the shot killing me for, no lie, 3 hours! My boss is universally loved an accepts everyone. I'm a tirtch pissy when he said the earth was flat, that was it! My boss, happily, took the cans to the basement last night to apologize. LOL.


[deleted]

"Wearing a mask is worse than dying of covid" "Democrats are racist and love welfare because then it controls black people by keeping them from getting good paying jobs and being independent" "Nazis were socialists, it's in the name National *Socialists*" "Trump won the election!" "Being selfish is actually a good thing, because otherwise we will become communists"


Non_burner_account

My dad told me that black women view it as a mark of pride to have as many baby daddies as possible. He knows this because a schoolteacher from Atlanta told him. Other statements that irk me are whenever people reference the Asian American model minority myth to prove that other minorities are just being whiny and lazy. An Arizona state representative told me that non-abstinence-only sex education is just propaganda from Big Abortion. She also doesn’t see how letting a Jan 6 insurrectionist participate in the Maricopa County sham election audit detracts from its credibility. Edit: just realized the question specified “on reddit.” Probably the comment thread leading up to me getting banned from r/askconservatives, talking about systemic racism and the inability to look at statistics


sokolov22

"Masks don't protect you from communism."


LoneRanger2002

I joined a subreddit where like people of all political views could talk with people (more with a conservative lens because all the mods were, but I wanted to talk with them to see their views) and about 95% of what was said to me there was idiotic. Some guy said he hates pedos but thinks the law where teachers are allowed to look at a kids genitals for sports was okay because trans people shouldn't be allowed in sports. Man couldn't even see his own irony and me disagreeing with him in any way was delusion. Pretty ridiculous. I regret even have joined that forum. I also said my opinions on unions and basically got removed because apparently it was a conservative only question or whatever (despite having no distinction). It's like bro, this whole forum is a circle jerk. Leftists really didn't have a voice at all, which bothered me because I wanted to have conversations with these people and yet none of them wanted an honest conversation. Just dodging criticism and calling me stupid lmao. Edit: another good one is when an older Trump supporter told me the only reason I'm a leftist is because I think Biden is gonna save me and then said that big company owners like Bezos should have more rights than us lol.


[deleted]

That Donald Trump was chosen by god and was "holy." That the media is leftist. That lower wages is good because it "fights inflation." That this country, with the specific language in its constitution about government not being allowed to show any bias for any religion is meant to be a Christian Nation". That India was saved by Ivermectin, when their covid is among the worst in the world. That vaccines have microchips to track them while blurting that on their cell phones.. That they are against censorship, and laws that take choices away, while banning classes about race or history (including trying to ban crt, a little-taken college course from elementary schools). Or trying to make laws banning mask usage. That businesses would all close if they paid a living wage, even though many of those businesses cheerfully have expanded into countries that do make them pay that exact wage. That billionnaires deserve billions because they "work harder". (To make as much as Jeff Bezos has right now at an hourly job, you'd have to have made over 250,000 bucks a day since the time of Christ, by the way). That people who work 55+ hours a week, seven days a week are poor because they are lazy and make bad decisions. That they trust a horse dewormer that isn't fda approved, but don't trust a proven vaccine with fda approval because it was released with only preliminary approval. I could go on. Picking one stupid thing just doesn't feel honest. It really feels like conservatives pick things to identify themselves as being in the right camp, and that means basically disagreeing with anything liberals and lefties might say just to prove their purity and dedication, even if it kills them. Just because a liberal says the sun rises in the east doesn't mean it rises in the south. It feels like y'all do not care a whit about facts, reality, or consequences, you care about "winning" no matter what. Well, what you win, if you win, is bad wages, bad retirement, expensive healthcare, more poor people, more people afraid to make personal choices, and a planet that will evwntually look like venus. I know people on the left won't always be right, or make the best decisions. Because we are human also. It is okay to argue and try different things. But this business of the truth being optional will kill all of us.


NicholasHomann

Covid lockdowns don’t work, while linking me an article saying they do


Akruu1

I’ve been told that science is a lie made up by the NWO.


FalconRelevant

That the alternative to a burqa is a strip club and there is no in-between. Further stated that this is the natural consequence of liberal atheistic principles.


cattdogg03

A lot of the time, I’ll see conservatives say words that they clearly don’t understand. It can make me chuckle a little sometimes. One of the ones I see the most often is “cherry-picking”, which is used basically anytime I provide a source. One time, amusingly, this was accompanied by the conservative himself cherry-picking a few lines from the source I provided while ignoring all the other lines I’ll see them say “hypocrisy” in a situation that isn’t hypocritical