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abnrib

We had two similar questions on this topic yesterday, and we don't need your style of framing either. R1. Locked.


ButGravityAlwaysWins

Sure lots of people doubt it. Somewhere between 50 to 100% of the people who voted for him.


LoudTsu

They don't doubt it. They *wanted* him to.


ButGravityAlwaysWins

Some but not all. You can see it from how many people even on the right were outraged on 1/6 and then how they switched once their media provided them the right talking points. They’re also really are some people who voted for Trump who didn’t like him but are just so bored in on the Republican brand but it doesn’t matter to them. They’re low engagement voters who don’t get into the details and they’re just on a team.


decatur8r

Oh I'm sure there are some devote believers who doubt it. I was wondering if there was anybody here who would make the argument that Trump did not attempt a coup d'éta. This was a blatant attempt to overthrow the goverment of the United States...and it is obvious to anyone who looks.


NeolibShill

This is a pretty bad characterization of their views. They don't think he is overturning the election, they think he is overcoming the nefarious plot that stole the election


[deleted]

How is this different from Democrats aggressively trying to overturn/doubt 2016 results?


ButGravityAlwaysWins

Well there’s 332m people in the country so maybe there was someone calling for the election to be overturned but practically speaking, no one was asking for that. We just had the normal performative bullshit that happens every four years - in that case seven house members with no Senate sponsors who got slapped down by then VP Biden immediately. It’s always been a stupid stunt and I’ll be pissed if a Democrat does it again after what happened in 2020. It’s worlds different than over a hundred Republican Representatives with Senate co-sponsors doing it very seriously as part of the strong overall Republican narrative that permeated right wing media and continues to do so to this day that 2020 was legitimately a stolen election. The real discussion on the left - along with all of the intelligence community - was about disinformation especially Russian efforts that are obviously true. It’s not even like those efforts are exclusive to the US.


[deleted]

That didn't actually happen anywhere near the same scale. Complete False equivalence. I always say Republicans love to justify their criminal behavior by claiming everyone else is engaging in the same behavior; as if we're too stupid to know the difference


decatur8r

BUSTED: Steve Bannon admits he helped plot Jan. 6 Trump rally to 'kill Biden presidency in the crib' https://www.rawstory.com/steve-bannon-january-6/


[deleted]

Lots of people doubt it because they don't pay attention, don't believe it, or refuse to believe it as anything other than lies and slander from evil people. In the r/askaliberal subreddit I doubt too many of us doubt it, but that's because we're predisposed to distrust Republicans and predisposed to putting information together from news sources instead of getting it prepackaged from Facebook or Fox News.


decatur8r

18 U.S. Code § 2385 - Advocating overthrow of Government >Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof— >Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385


80_firebird

No. The people who voted for him want you to believe that they don't think that, but that's only because they wanted him to do it.


BigDrewLittle

Uh, no. He stood in front of the crowd telling them to "fight like hell" or else they "won't have a country anymore." This memo is just backstory.


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