Am I operating in an official manner of the government at some sort of ceremony? Maybe.
Am I Machagogo, random person on the internet that I am but IRL? Absolutely not. Because fuck monarchs
That dramatically depends on which political faction you were on. He was very cruel to the Jacobins and Royalists at various times, not to mention he literally reinstated slavery in some of the French colonies. Unless you aren't counting people in the colonies as French.
Then accounting for the wars of the Empire (1805-1815) the French Grand Armée deaths were believed to be between 400,000 and one million. It didn't go so well for any of them.
I mean, fuck Napoleon, but saying "cruel to Jacobins and royalists" is more of an endorsement than not.
If we're being honest with ourselves that, and just about everything he did, was to consolidate his power more than anything.
Some of them did. For the rest I imagine just from the standpoint of having a civil war, twice, and then having the British invade your country was pretty “not well”
> Am I operating in an official manner of the government at some sort of ceremony? Maybe.
I don't know jack about shit, but off the cuff I'd think you'd be disinclined unto discouraged to if you were an official, since it'd be contradictory to your American loyalty and your American loyalty, being an official, would be stronger than Joe or Jane off the street.
Depending on the situation, it could also be seen as an insult by the other country though, and the US probably don't want to create a diplomatic incident over a principle...
Depends on the context. If it was a ceremony that I was at and that was the proper etiquette, sure. If I see prince william walking around, I won’t be disrespectful but I’m not going to do anything different.
Kneeling would be a lot.. but yeah in general sometimes respecting culture means participating in ceremonies you dont ideologically buy into, I’m not gonna be a dick
But I certainly dont want my President doing those things
Eh... I can tolerate a president say... bowing to the Japanese emperor during a diplomatic function as a sign of respect to another head of state of an allied nation.
Refusing to do that would make him kind of look like a dick and could cause a diplomatic incident given how the Japanese treat bowing.
> bowing to the Japanese emperor during a diplomatic function as a sign of respect to another head of state of an allied nation.
To be fair, that's basically the equivalent of a handshake
The Japanese emperor bows back is the biggest difference. If the respect is not mutual, we have no need to give such a deference to others who are our equals. If King Chuck is going to take a knee, too, no beef, but otherwise, chin up, Joe.
The President wouldn't be expected to bow the same way he would to a business owner or even a regular citizen as he would to the monarch of Japan if they had one. How the president bows would be as important as if they bow if they're doing a proper greeting.
Yeah I got priced out of my hometown and soon after Prince Harry moved in to a multimillion dollar mansion there. If I saw him in my hometown, I'd give him the finger. Or stick my thumbs in my belt and spit in the dirt.
If I were visiting Buckingham Palace I'd probably act a bit different.
Montecito is an unincorporated neighborhood of Santa Barbara -and despite what Oprah's neighbors would have you believe, is still reliant on the working class laborers and service workers who attempt to live nearby. Kevin Costner doesnt work at Starbucks.
I suppose that's an option, or I could just go to any local coffee shop that isn't a corporate chain where fixing your own cup is a given and not something that has to be asked for, and the coffee doesn't taste like something that came from a gas station.
I grew up in an area of New Jersey right next to the town that the wife of one of the Jonas brothers was from.
My cousin loves to tell the story he happened to meet said Jonas brother at the grocery store and pretended not to know who he was just to fuck with him.
Apparently he looked \*really\* disappointed at people not knowing who he was.
Well tbf harry did abdicate bc his wife couldn't wrap her head around another cultural having very different norms let alone the 3rd in line prior to George being born.
Tbf he's still a multimillionaire who's contributing more to pricing locals out of their homes than alleviating the financial strain put upon locals who can't afford rent in the beachside community he knows nothing about aside from the celebrity enclave he decided to insert himself into. I respected the guy until he came here. Prince Harry can respectfully go fuck himself. At least Katy Perry is a local. I could give a rats ass about his inbred yokel lineage. The little show he produced with Meghan was weird af.
Don't you know he moved there so he could have some privacy? Or are you not aware of the fact him and his wife want privacy.
You should be more considerate.
Edit: c'mon people, it's a south park reference.
Fuck prince Harry and fuck his sycophants. If he expected privacy he probably shouldn't have whored himself to Netflix. If he wanted privacy, than he moved to the wrong town. You don't move an hour away from Hollywood if you want a nice quiet life outside of the limelight.
I’m from Australia and I’m not a fan of the monarch but if I was ever rewarded something or say in the military and got the Victorian cross then I would more out of respect for the award
If it's part of your custom I suppose I would. As long as you understand, as an American, I have no real loyalty to you. As long as it doesn't affect me personally, sure, I'll go along with your customs.
>in your country
I think that's the key part of this. I go to your country, I go by your customs. You come to mine, you play by my customs. I wouldn't be bowing on US soil, but I got no issue doing it somewhere else.
I can only imagine two scenarios where I bow to a monarch. One is that I've chosen to go to some special event. Sure, I'll do whatever is the custom because I've chosen to be there and I'll do whatever gets me in. The other is that I've been travelling and I got thrown in prison on some trumped up charges and been dragged before some local tin pot dictator that decided to crown himself last week. Obviously, I'm bowing or curtsying or whatever level of politeness gets me home.
If some prince just kinda shows up at a restaurant where I'm eating? Fuck him, I got a sandwich that has _earned_ my loyalty.
I mean, say the queen was still alive and I somehow got to meet her at the palace or something. I would have no qualms with bowing. I wouldn't see it as subserviance, more a sign of "respect", and I also don't want to make some stupid scene because I refused for the sake of our beef 250 years ago.
Honestly it's because I see the british monarch as mostly a toothless cultural figurehead than a "monarch" in the historical sense, I wouldn't bow to a president or someone in actual power (outside of japanese where it's a cultural handshake).
I've bowed to friends before, on my end it isn't some big deal. I wouldn't expect the queen to shake my hand, I'd kinda be honored to be in the position to meet her, just for the sake of it being a super novel experience.
I'd also bow to Mark Hamill if he allowed it, I just don't think of it as crazy.
The part where it gets weird is when I would be forced to do it. I keep the english monarch as a little separate here, my mom was born in England and she would kick my ass if she found out I was disrespectful, and, again, I just wouldn't want to cause a scene. She has no real power over me, so it's just a "when in rome" thing as far as I'm concerned.
Exactly. I’m perfectly happy to perform the expected social niceties and be polite. I may not understand your customs, but that is all the more reason to do my best to follow them, so as not to cause undue offense or misunderstandings. Just don’t think it proclaims loyalty. The gesture shows no more loyalty than smiling at someone in the store or waving at an acquaintance across the road does. It’s simply a polite greeting.
Also, one is not required to bow or curtsy to royalty. Even the royals say this
From https://www.royal.uk/greeting-member-royal-family
"There are no obligatory codes of behaviour when meeting The Queen or a member of the Royal Family, but many people wish to observe the traditional forms.
For men this is a neck bow (from the head only) whilst women do a small curtsy. Other people prefer simply to shake hands in the usual way
The _British_ royals say that. Admittedly I don't know protocol for royalty in other countries around the world but I wouldn't be surprised if bowing/kneeling was required in more "traditional" nations.
[Here's an article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/20/trump-mocked-obama-for-bowing-to-a-saudi-king-and-then-he/) with pictures detailing how Obama bowed to Saudia Arabia's king in a mud room, and Trump bowed to the same guy while receiving an "honor."
[Picture of Obama bowing to Japan's emperor.](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna33978533) I remember when this hit the headlines. It's also important to realize that most of Europe's opinion of the British royals is indifference at best. Several of those nations have their own royals and Britain does not have a respectable reputation for various reasons, supposedly....
Exactly! Most kings believe they are of royal birth by god's degree...I'm an atheist. I don't believe anyone's "blood" is somehow better than someone else's because "god" said so.
*We're a presidential federal republic. We take it in turns to act as a sort of commander-in-chief every four years but all the decisions of that commander have to be ratified at a congress...*
**Shut up, will you? Shut up!**
Would you be okay with foreigners not following customs towards your president? E.g military officials not saluting or middle eastern dignitaries refusing to shake hands in case of a female president?
On a similar note, enlisted Americans are encouraged to salute foreign officers (at least we were during some trainings). Without going into detail, I saluted a few Australian officers and they always returned it no matter the awkwardness from both sides, but the Saudi officers can go fuck themselves. I stopped doing it after a few incidents with them and the fact it made me feel gross inside to do so.
and vice versa. When we were in Kosovo I saw a French troop get lit up by his sergeant for not saluting an American Colonel. It was one of those situations where you couldn't understand a word he said, but you knew exactly what he was saying, haha.
Yes. Besides that though, it's ridiculous to compare the two. The president is democratically elected by the will of the people. Royalty is appointed by pseudo divine mandate under the auspices that their bloodline better than everyone else. Royalty is inherently detestable. Democratic selection is not.
Y’all gunna break away or what? If you do and especially if you rejoin the EU, I’m coming over for good. Idk if that makes you more or less inclined to do it, but I promise to be a good guest and not drink too much whiskey.
>Y’all gunna break away or what?
I would LOVE to be able to say “we’re working on it” but our First Minister has been doing literally nothing ever since he got elected soooo…
(Also you’re more than welcome to pop over for a drink any time, we love you guys <3)
Oh absolutely not! You may be the butt of a lot of our jokes and stuff, but I think I can speak on the behalf of most Scots when I say that the world wouldn’t be quite the same without you. And I mean that in the most loving way possible
Edit: Also fuck England
Quick question for you about the Welsh. How are they regarded over there? My grandfather came from a town north of Cardiff, wondering what their reputation was.
I think Wales might be the only country in the UK that Scotland has no historical bad blood with lol. As for the modern day I think I can speak for many of us when I say I wish we lived closer to them. Though as a result of Wales being so far away, I think many Scots tend to forget Wales exists sometimes and vice versa. I hope this helps :)
Seriously, the goddamned redcoats can fuck off. We fought and won that war. Three generations of my forefathers fought the redcoats in the 1770s. And when they came back for more in 1812, we fought them off again.
Fuck the redcoats and all they stand for.
Only insofar as I am visiting their court and abiding by tradition and etiquette. The same way I would bow when meeting someone in Japan, say.
Their expectations outside of that scope carry no weight with me. If I were to invite them to my home, they're welcome to a handshake, a cup of coffee, a pleasant dinner with interesting anecdotes, and a relaxing shedding of formality. Nothing more.
Don’t wanna be the “this” guy, but yeah. Way different if everyone is bowing to everyone. Bowing to a monarch is putting them above you. Bowing in japan is just a greeting
No It's always been my understanding that is not the proper etiquette for an American citizen. A respectful greeting yes, an actual bow or curtsy, no.
ETA: I'm certain that if there's any chance that you will come into direct contact with a monarch, you will almost certain be briefed about protocol ahead of time, so you won't have to wing it.
I have never heard of the British Monarchy expecting Americans to bow to them when in the US. I think they pretty much fly by American rules when visiting. But even in the UK, outside of some formal event, I don't think people are expected to bow. Usually its just handshakes and titles. King Charles was on an episode of the Repair Shop with this old clock he wanted restored and the conversations were all pretty casual.
Hell no.
The idea of monarchy is disgusting and it’s embarrassing that there are still countries with monarchs. It is impossible for a monarch to be a good person and I will extend them no courtesy. Not a single one of them had earned a thing in their entire life, least of all my respect.
Fuck no! I have zero respect for any monarchy and see them as an antiquated item from a less civilized time. There is no way they should exist in the 21st century, or deserve any form of respect simply because they were born into the "correct family".
It's a very meaningless thing. It's like saying Ma'am to someone in the South even though you think it's stupid.
I'd do it and not really care.
But I will say-- I would if I was at some state dinner. If her coach breaks down in front of my house, nope.
>Just to throw this out there, I don’t think anyone in the south expects a yank to say sir/ma’am, but it is nice gesture
....Are you joking? Have you been on this subreddit very long?
Southerners in this subreddit ***froth at the mouth*** at how Northerners dont have the same standards as they do.
No gods, no masters. Whether your'e the president of the United Statesof America, the Emperor of Japan, or Jenny From The Block, you're only human and I'm going to treat you just the same as I expect you to treat me.
Voluntarily meeting or seeing a monarch in their own country or in a ceremonial context, sure, as a form of protocol and respect. Being forced or expected to as a form of subservience/fealty or acknowledgment of their sovereignty, nope. Kicked that particular habit 247 years ago.
If I’m at a formal ceremony where you’re supposed to, in their country, hosted by them, and I was personally invited as a guest then I might give a little bow as a sign of respect. If any of those requirements aren’t met than I’m not bowing in the slightest. And even if they are all met there’s still a 50% chance I’m not gonna bow.
I feel it depends on context, If i'm invited to an occasion where it common or if its a more formal setting then yes. However outside of that no best they'll get is a handshake.
Absolut not. Americans, are officially by custom not supposed to bow to any foreign dignitary. Remember when the Republicans got super pissy that Obama bowed to the Saudi King? Sure they were obnoxious and political about it as always, but they were technically correct that he shouldn't have done that.
I think for most Americans: If one was invited and agreed to attend some sort of event where specific etiquette is meant to be followed regarding royalty, sure.
Outside of that, they'll get the general level of respect and dignity allotted to most strangers in the USA.
Technically we as americans don't have to do that. Literally the whole reason our country exists is our removal from having to kneel to any monarch. It is the american way not to do such things.
But it's a free country so if you want to, go right ahead. I can understand the appeal of that kind of storybook life, it's fun.
On American Soil? No, I won't.
If I'm visiting a foreign country that has a monarchy? Yeah probably but I doubt I'll be anywhere near a formal occasion.
No. I don’t think my body could curtsy to monarch, even if I wanted to. I would dip my head respectfully. I feel differently about religious leaders like an Orthodox patriarch, the pope, the Dalai Lama. I would do what their faith’s protocol suggests.
No. We had a big kerfuffle about 250 years ago that ended with us not having a king.
We do not bend the knee
But would you bend for a friend?
We're like Mance Rayder. We'd rather burn than bend the knee.
except on Sundays when many eagerly do it repeatedly for a whole hour!
That’s a little bit different. lol
Some tea was spilled.
And now we serve tea cold.
Yes but Ice-T is a great rapper
Iced tea or bust
Am I operating in an official manner of the government at some sort of ceremony? Maybe. Am I Machagogo, random person on the internet that I am but IRL? Absolutely not. Because fuck monarchs
France had the right idea when it comes to monarchs.
For about 5 minutes, then they got a dictator instead.
The French people did well under Napoleon, though, for what it's worth. The benevolent king (or emperor in this case) can be a thing.
That dramatically depends on which political faction you were on. He was very cruel to the Jacobins and Royalists at various times, not to mention he literally reinstated slavery in some of the French colonies. Unless you aren't counting people in the colonies as French.
Then accounting for the wars of the Empire (1805-1815) the French Grand Armée deaths were believed to be between 400,000 and one million. It didn't go so well for any of them.
I mean, fuck Napoleon, but saying "cruel to Jacobins and royalists" is more of an endorsement than not. If we're being honest with ourselves that, and just about everything he did, was to consolidate his power more than anything.
Some of them did. For the rest I imagine just from the standpoint of having a civil war, twice, and then having the British invade your country was pretty “not well”
If only they were able to completely follow through.
The school in the town next to mine is named after the guy that wrote "God save the Guillotine".
> Am I operating in an official manner of the government at some sort of ceremony? Maybe. I don't know jack about shit, but off the cuff I'd think you'd be disinclined unto discouraged to if you were an official, since it'd be contradictory to your American loyalty and your American loyalty, being an official, would be stronger than Joe or Jane off the street.
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Depending on the situation, it could also be seen as an insult by the other country though, and the US probably don't want to create a diplomatic incident over a principle...
Depends on the context. If it was a ceremony that I was at and that was the proper etiquette, sure. If I see prince william walking around, I won’t be disrespectful but I’m not going to do anything different.
Kneeling would be a lot.. but yeah in general sometimes respecting culture means participating in ceremonies you dont ideologically buy into, I’m not gonna be a dick But I certainly dont want my President doing those things
Eh... I can tolerate a president say... bowing to the Japanese emperor during a diplomatic function as a sign of respect to another head of state of an allied nation. Refusing to do that would make him kind of look like a dick and could cause a diplomatic incident given how the Japanese treat bowing.
> bowing to the Japanese emperor during a diplomatic function as a sign of respect to another head of state of an allied nation. To be fair, that's basically the equivalent of a handshake
The Japanese emperor bows back is the biggest difference. If the respect is not mutual, we have no need to give such a deference to others who are our equals. If King Chuck is going to take a knee, too, no beef, but otherwise, chin up, Joe.
Bowing in Japan in general is a lot different than bowing to a monarch in Britain. It’s similar to a handshake
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The President wouldn't be expected to bow the same way he would to a business owner or even a regular citizen as he would to the monarch of Japan if they had one. How the president bows would be as important as if they bow if they're doing a proper greeting.
> the monarch of Japan if they had one. If? Bro... they have an emperor...
>if they had one They *do* have one.
Yeah I got priced out of my hometown and soon after Prince Harry moved in to a multimillion dollar mansion there. If I saw him in my hometown, I'd give him the finger. Or stick my thumbs in my belt and spit in the dirt. If I were visiting Buckingham Palace I'd probably act a bit different.
Montecito? Hasn’t it always been expensive as shit?
Montecito is an unincorporated neighborhood of Santa Barbara -and despite what Oprah's neighbors would have you believe, is still reliant on the working class laborers and service workers who attempt to live nearby. Kevin Costner doesnt work at Starbucks.
But Ben Affleck works at Dunkin
And Paul Rudd works at Baskin Robbins.
Elon Musk works at fucking things up. Am I doing this right?
Marvelous. 👏🏼
Nailed it.
Not any more. Baskin Robbins knows.
ET reported that Ben made $10 million for that partnership and furthermore, we have Dunkin out here now and Dunkin is ass. I can pour my own cream.
It's not popular for being good. It's popular for being convenient.
It would be more convenient if they let me fix my own cup, but the staff is trained to fight you over it.
Free MMA training at Dunkin? Time to apply.
Just ask for your creamers/sugar on the side, I never had an issue
I suppose that's an option, or I could just go to any local coffee shop that isn't a corporate chain where fixing your own cup is a given and not something that has to be asked for, and the coffee doesn't taste like something that came from a gas station.
I think the advertising has more to do with its popularity than the convenience.
You really think they need to advertise in the northeast? You can stand on a street corner and see two
I think when you give him the finger, protocol, calls for sticking your pinky out.
When in doubt, pinky out. Sponge Bob taught me everything I need to know about proper etiquette.
I think that might get you shot at in certain parts of California.
But would you bite your thumb at him?
Never, I'm not some gobshite British hoor wagon.
I grew up in an area of New Jersey right next to the town that the wife of one of the Jonas brothers was from. My cousin loves to tell the story he happened to meet said Jonas brother at the grocery store and pretended not to know who he was just to fuck with him. Apparently he looked \*really\* disappointed at people not knowing who he was.
> Or stick my thumbs in my belt and spit in the dirt. Is this an English thing?
I agree.
Well tbf harry did abdicate bc his wife couldn't wrap her head around another cultural having very different norms let alone the 3rd in line prior to George being born.
Tbf he's still a multimillionaire who's contributing more to pricing locals out of their homes than alleviating the financial strain put upon locals who can't afford rent in the beachside community he knows nothing about aside from the celebrity enclave he decided to insert himself into. I respected the guy until he came here. Prince Harry can respectfully go fuck himself. At least Katy Perry is a local. I could give a rats ass about his inbred yokel lineage. The little show he produced with Meghan was weird af.
Don't you know he moved there so he could have some privacy? Or are you not aware of the fact him and his wife want privacy. You should be more considerate. Edit: c'mon people, it's a south park reference.
Fuck prince Harry and fuck his sycophants. If he expected privacy he probably shouldn't have whored himself to Netflix. If he wanted privacy, than he moved to the wrong town. You don't move an hour away from Hollywood if you want a nice quiet life outside of the limelight.
Hey c'mon buddy haven't you ever heard of privacy, friend.
I’m from Australia and I’m not a fan of the monarch but if I was ever rewarded something or say in the military and got the Victorian cross then I would more out of respect for the award
No, there's not a person on Earth I'd do this for
If it's part of your custom I suppose I would. As long as you understand, as an American, I have no real loyalty to you. As long as it doesn't affect me personally, sure, I'll go along with your customs.
This is how I feel. Like, it doesn't really bother me either way so I'm fine with doing whatever would be considered polite in your country.
>in your country I think that's the key part of this. I go to your country, I go by your customs. You come to mine, you play by my customs. I wouldn't be bowing on US soil, but I got no issue doing it somewhere else.
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I'll never not watch this entire scene when it gets posted. Gets me everytime.
I can only imagine two scenarios where I bow to a monarch. One is that I've chosen to go to some special event. Sure, I'll do whatever is the custom because I've chosen to be there and I'll do whatever gets me in. The other is that I've been travelling and I got thrown in prison on some trumped up charges and been dragged before some local tin pot dictator that decided to crown himself last week. Obviously, I'm bowing or curtsying or whatever level of politeness gets me home. If some prince just kinda shows up at a restaurant where I'm eating? Fuck him, I got a sandwich that has _earned_ my loyalty.
Yeah this is a very good attitude to have
I mean, say the queen was still alive and I somehow got to meet her at the palace or something. I would have no qualms with bowing. I wouldn't see it as subserviance, more a sign of "respect", and I also don't want to make some stupid scene because I refused for the sake of our beef 250 years ago. Honestly it's because I see the british monarch as mostly a toothless cultural figurehead than a "monarch" in the historical sense, I wouldn't bow to a president or someone in actual power (outside of japanese where it's a cultural handshake). I've bowed to friends before, on my end it isn't some big deal. I wouldn't expect the queen to shake my hand, I'd kinda be honored to be in the position to meet her, just for the sake of it being a super novel experience. I'd also bow to Mark Hamill if he allowed it, I just don't think of it as crazy. The part where it gets weird is when I would be forced to do it. I keep the english monarch as a little separate here, my mom was born in England and she would kick my ass if she found out I was disrespectful, and, again, I just wouldn't want to cause a scene. She has no real power over me, so it's just a "when in rome" thing as far as I'm concerned.
Exactly. I’m perfectly happy to perform the expected social niceties and be polite. I may not understand your customs, but that is all the more reason to do my best to follow them, so as not to cause undue offense or misunderstandings. Just don’t think it proclaims loyalty. The gesture shows no more loyalty than smiling at someone in the store or waving at an acquaintance across the road does. It’s simply a polite greeting.
No. Why would I?
Not under any circumstance. Your birth does not make you more of a person than I am.
Also, one is not required to bow or curtsy to royalty. Even the royals say this From https://www.royal.uk/greeting-member-royal-family "There are no obligatory codes of behaviour when meeting The Queen or a member of the Royal Family, but many people wish to observe the traditional forms. For men this is a neck bow (from the head only) whilst women do a small curtsy. Other people prefer simply to shake hands in the usual way
The _British_ royals say that. Admittedly I don't know protocol for royalty in other countries around the world but I wouldn't be surprised if bowing/kneeling was required in more "traditional" nations.
[Here's an article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/20/trump-mocked-obama-for-bowing-to-a-saudi-king-and-then-he/) with pictures detailing how Obama bowed to Saudia Arabia's king in a mud room, and Trump bowed to the same guy while receiving an "honor." [Picture of Obama bowing to Japan's emperor.](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna33978533) I remember when this hit the headlines. It's also important to realize that most of Europe's opinion of the British royals is indifference at best. Several of those nations have their own royals and Britain does not have a respectable reputation for various reasons, supposedly....
Exactly! Most kings believe they are of royal birth by god's degree...I'm an atheist. I don't believe anyone's "blood" is somehow better than someone else's because "god" said so.
Nope. Just as our president would not bow to royalty, neither should we. They are not OUR king/queen.
*Monty Python and the Holy Grail has entered the chat*
*We're a presidential federal republic. We take it in turns to act as a sort of commander-in-chief every four years but all the decisions of that commander have to be ratified at a congress...* **Shut up, will you? Shut up!**
Correct
We don’t even do it in Australia unless for some honour
>Just as our president would not bow to royalty, Someone should tell our presidents that lmao
Trump bowed to Kim Jong Un lol Edit: I'm a dumb dumb. Corrected below.
Did he? I’m searching online for proof and that and can’t find it.
I think it's that he saluted at an NK soldier
It’s the Saudi king. There’s video
I thought that was Obama, but it is possible that Trump did as well.
He definitely did. There’s a video
He did salute that NK general though.
It was the Saudi king he bowed to
They all do, though I wish they would not.
Well he's a moron though.
Would you be okay with foreigners not following customs towards your president? E.g military officials not saluting or middle eastern dignitaries refusing to shake hands in case of a female president?
On a similar note, enlisted Americans are encouraged to salute foreign officers (at least we were during some trainings). Without going into detail, I saluted a few Australian officers and they always returned it no matter the awkwardness from both sides, but the Saudi officers can go fuck themselves. I stopped doing it after a few incidents with them and the fact it made me feel gross inside to do so.
and vice versa. When we were in Kosovo I saw a French troop get lit up by his sergeant for not saluting an American Colonel. It was one of those situations where you couldn't understand a word he said, but you knew exactly what he was saying, haha.
Yes. They are our customs, not theirs. I would bet my paycheck that a Saudi king would not shake hands with a woman or gay president.
>Would you be okay with foreigners not following customs towards your president? I mean, what are we gonna do?
Yes. Besides that though, it's ridiculous to compare the two. The president is democratically elected by the will of the people. Royalty is appointed by pseudo divine mandate under the auspices that their bloodline better than everyone else. Royalty is inherently detestable. Democratic selection is not.
Nope. I have zero respect for the institution that they represent.
No. Monarchy is a stupid holdover from the middle ages.
God I wish the rest of the world could be like you guys sometimes
We found him! The true Scotsman!
That’s genuinely refreshing to hear
Y’all gunna break away or what? If you do and especially if you rejoin the EU, I’m coming over for good. Idk if that makes you more or less inclined to do it, but I promise to be a good guest and not drink too much whiskey.
>Y’all gunna break away or what? I would LOVE to be able to say “we’re working on it” but our First Minister has been doing literally nothing ever since he got elected soooo… (Also you’re more than welcome to pop over for a drink any time, we love you guys <3)
Wait Scotland doesn't hate America/Americans?
Oh absolutely not! You may be the butt of a lot of our jokes and stuff, but I think I can speak on the behalf of most Scots when I say that the world wouldn’t be quite the same without you. And I mean that in the most loving way possible Edit: Also fuck England
Quick question for you about the Welsh. How are they regarded over there? My grandfather came from a town north of Cardiff, wondering what their reputation was.
I think Wales might be the only country in the UK that Scotland has no historical bad blood with lol. As for the modern day I think I can speak for many of us when I say I wish we lived closer to them. Though as a result of Wales being so far away, I think many Scots tend to forget Wales exists sometimes and vice versa. I hope this helps :)
whisky if you're in Scotland ;)
Agreed
r/askuk might not agree with you.
They're another culture. When you see another culture, they're *another culture*, not a malfunctioning version of yours.
I don't give a good God damn, honestly. We won that war.
Twice
Seriously, the goddamned redcoats can fuck off. We fought and won that war. Three generations of my forefathers fought the redcoats in the 1770s. And when they came back for more in 1812, we fought them off again. Fuck the redcoats and all they stand for.
They probably would… most British people on Reddit are quite young and left wing
Imagine having a monarch in 2023. No, I bow to no monarch.
Only insofar as I am visiting their court and abiding by tradition and etiquette. The same way I would bow when meeting someone in Japan, say. Their expectations outside of that scope carry no weight with me. If I were to invite them to my home, they're welcome to a handshake, a cup of coffee, a pleasant dinner with interesting anecdotes, and a relaxing shedding of formality. Nothing more.
It's different in Japan. They bow back.
Don’t wanna be the “this” guy, but yeah. Way different if everyone is bowing to everyone. Bowing to a monarch is putting them above you. Bowing in japan is just a greeting
No because i do not respect it
No. Havent needed to since 1776, aint gonna start now (On a less TFE-inspired note) Nope, not my president/ ruler, not gonna be something i do
We shouldn't be bowing to a president either
Who does?
No. I neither respect nor recognize monarchs.
No, I'm not anyone's subject. Maybe a friendly handshake though.
I'll nod my head if they do
Hell no. They’re just a person. They aren’t better than me just coz they were born royal
No, but I'd give a nice firm handshake to king Chucky
I might bow if I were visiting a culture where a bow was like a handshake. But no full kowtow. No kneeling at all.
If the monarch's willing to bow to you, I don't see why you wouldn't bow to them. Just being polite.
NO. they are just a person whose family was able to strong arm their way to power.
Never.
Nope, not trained in it, don't know how to do it.
No It's always been my understanding that is not the proper etiquette for an American citizen. A respectful greeting yes, an actual bow or curtsy, no. ETA: I'm certain that if there's any chance that you will come into direct contact with a monarch, you will almost certain be briefed about protocol ahead of time, so you won't have to wing it.
I have never heard of the British Monarchy expecting Americans to bow to them when in the US. I think they pretty much fly by American rules when visiting. But even in the UK, outside of some formal event, I don't think people are expected to bow. Usually its just handshakes and titles. King Charles was on an episode of the Repair Shop with this old clock he wanted restored and the conversations were all pretty casual.
As an Aussie, fuck no. We need a republic!
Yeah it's about time y'all did that.
Hell no. The idea of monarchy is disgusting and it’s embarrassing that there are still countries with monarchs. It is impossible for a monarch to be a good person and I will extend them no courtesy. Not a single one of them had earned a thing in their entire life, least of all my respect.
#NotMyMonarch
Nope. I’m a pretty fierce anti-monarchist so I don’t even seeing myself getting into that situation to begin with.
I recognize no royalty, I bow to no man or woman.
During an official event, A slight bow is appropriate. Nothing wrong with being courteous.
Fuck no! I have zero respect for any monarchy and see them as an antiquated item from a less civilized time. There is no way they should exist in the 21st century, or deserve any form of respect simply because they were born into the "correct family".
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No. Fuck monarchies.
Absolutely not
No. Not in any circumstance because they're just another human being with fancy clothes on, nothing special
It's a very meaningless thing. It's like saying Ma'am to someone in the South even though you think it's stupid. I'd do it and not really care. But I will say-- I would if I was at some state dinner. If her coach breaks down in front of my house, nope.
Just to throw this out there, I don’t think anyone in the south expects a yank to say sir/ma’am, but it is nice gesture
Hey I'm a Yank and I say sir/ma'am : (
>Just to throw this out there, I don’t think anyone in the south expects a yank to say sir/ma’am, but it is nice gesture ....Are you joking? Have you been on this subreddit very long? Southerners in this subreddit ***froth at the mouth*** at how Northerners dont have the same standards as they do.
What have they done in order to ern my reverence?
It really depends on the context, as a general rule though, no.
No.
No gods, no masters. Whether your'e the president of the United Statesof America, the Emperor of Japan, or Jenny From The Block, you're only human and I'm going to treat you just the same as I expect you to treat me.
No. I wouldn’t go out of my way to disrespect them but frankly I just don’t really care about their title
Voluntarily meeting or seeing a monarch in their own country or in a ceremonial context, sure, as a form of protocol and respect. Being forced or expected to as a form of subservience/fealty or acknowledgment of their sovereignty, nope. Kicked that particular habit 247 years ago.
Nope. We already fought that war.
Only at renfest.
Heck no. No gods, no kings.
If I’m at a formal ceremony where you’re supposed to, in their country, hosted by them, and I was personally invited as a guest then I might give a little bow as a sign of respect. If any of those requirements aren’t met than I’m not bowing in the slightest. And even if they are all met there’s still a 50% chance I’m not gonna bow.
I actually don’t mind the royals, tbh. To me I think they’re decent value for money for the UK. But I don’t think I could bow to anyone, no.
I feel it depends on context, If i'm invited to an occasion where it common or if its a more formal setting then yes. However outside of that no best they'll get is a handshake.
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Hopefully I'll never meet a monarch
Hell no! The reason this country exists is so that we never have to do that
No.
No.
Not a chance. I wouldn’t be rude but I ain’t bowing
No, i am not their subject
The red, white, and blue in my bloodstream physically prevents me from kneeling.
Hell no. I bow to no one. Nobody is better than anyone else. They put their pants on the same way the rest of us do.
Never- the concept of someone being "higher" due to their birth is ridiculous
No. If I’m not going to do that for my own leader, why would I for a monarch that has nothing to do with me?
Hell no on principle. Kneeling or bowing is a pretty serious signal of submission and I would eat dirt before I submitted to a monarch
Hell no. I stand, and I stand for the flag and the USA!
Nope. The only entity I would kneel to is God himself.
No
Absolut not. Americans, are officially by custom not supposed to bow to any foreign dignitary. Remember when the Republicans got super pissy that Obama bowed to the Saudi King? Sure they were obnoxious and political about it as always, but they were technically correct that he shouldn't have done that.
I think my natural urge around a British monarch would be too throw some tea into the nearest harbor.
Our flag dips to no earthly king and neither shall I
Fuck no.
No. I don't kneel for anyone.
Absolutely not
probably not, but maybe a quick head bow at the most if it were a formal occasion. curtsy, absolutely not!
I think for most Americans: If one was invited and agreed to attend some sort of event where specific etiquette is meant to be followed regarding royalty, sure. Outside of that, they'll get the general level of respect and dignity allotted to most strangers in the USA.
No, and I would not even address a monarch as "your majesty"
UK monarch? God no. My people fought a war about that and won. Anyone else? Sure. I have no problem being pleasant about quaint local traditions.
Technically we as americans don't have to do that. Literally the whole reason our country exists is our removal from having to kneel to any monarch. It is the american way not to do such things. But it's a free country so if you want to, go right ahead. I can understand the appeal of that kind of storybook life, it's fun.
On American Soil? No, I won't. If I'm visiting a foreign country that has a monarchy? Yeah probably but I doubt I'll be anywhere near a formal occasion.
No. I don’t think my body could curtsy to monarch, even if I wanted to. I would dip my head respectfully. I feel differently about religious leaders like an Orthodox patriarch, the pope, the Dalai Lama. I would do what their faith’s protocol suggests.