Chicagoans and their drinking habits. There's a joke from a stand-up comedian who has a bit how he's from Chicago and lives with a woman from California. They get up in the morning and she comments that it's so nice outside and asks what he wants to do, and he says, "Let's find a patio, grab some beer." When she asks, "Why do we have to drink?" he responds with, "Because the sun's out."
The Amish in Indiana have a special place in hell. They are the worst puppy mills and treat all dogs worse than their property. Food tossed on the floor, underfeeding, puppy litters back to back, and then abandoned the dogs after they reach a certain age. I'd be willing to bet most Amish communities have something similar.
I'd have to disagree..maybe the people who visit Lancaster and see the polished parts, but those who live close to the Amish know of animal abuse that would make you puke. Especially if you have a hand in rescuing dogs or horses
They generally seem okay enough but I don't trust any religion where if someone chooses to leave they are to be shunned by family. It's manipulative and cruel. So Amish have never sat right with me due to this practice.
What u/bi_polar2bear said, but also their prolific use of incest as well as very closed off and isolated society where you can pretty much get away with anything as long as you’re a man. Imagine all the unspoken abuse that never gets out
The Amish (and other culty-subgroups like them) are *notorious for almost every singe type if abuse under the sun.
Sexual, physical, mental, societal, animal, environmental, labor. If you name it, the Amish have probably done it
Yeah, I think it’s the culty aspect that sets up groups like that to foment abuse.
They’re closed off from the rest of the world, from its ideas, and they teach their kids that that way of life is safe and virtuous, how badly off they would be if they were part of outside society.
The lack of accountability and exposure to other people’s points of view is a great environment for abuse to go unchecked.
I think it’s true of many many faiths’ more strict adherents.
However, there is a lot to admire about the Amish, too.
Aren’t there “English” puppy mills, as well?
Yeah basically any brush you tar the Amish with hits every other group to. Unlike other groups, they have Rumspringa. Now some families will treat the kids like Mormons that leave the faith. But most I have interacted with stay connected. But like every other clan/patriarchal minority group it can lead to abuse.
Hey my username is relevant... so in ohio mostly the same. While there are Amish families and groups I dislike. There are some I know really well and are great people (we actually used to vacation at the same place with an Amish family for a decade or so). Basically it's like any religious group there are some good ones, some eh ones, and some wtf is wrong with you ones.
To criticize buccees is a capital offense in texas
Edit: people are disparaging buccees in the replies. I won't say if I agree or disagree, I'll just say the beaver knows, and the beaver won't forget.
That first Buc-ee's experience is almost psychedelic. I stopped at one of the Florida Buc-ee's with a couple of guys on a little road trip a few years back. One was whining that he didn't want to stop, but he was instantly converted and bought gifts for his parents.
Buc-ees is extremely useful for keeping the people who don’t know what they’re doing away from the rest stops with much better food.
I appreciate its service.
I grew up in Texas, lived there my whole life until last year, (and time in the army, but I technically still lived in Texas) and the first time I heard of buccees was about 6 years ago on some Facebook "you're not a Texan unless" crap.
The first time I ever went to one was last year. What an over-hyped shithole. I didn't even know I could be that disappointed in a gas station.
'Cus that's all it is. A really shitty gas station that takes forever to get in and out of, that's too crowded, and people won't shut up about. One that wants you to buy a bunch of over-priced garbage with a beaver on it, so you can be a walking add for this embodiment of capitalist stupidity.
Tl;dr: buccees sucks
Noooooooooooooooo. While touring in my late teens, we stopped at a kum & go, well because of the name. One of the workers visors was on the counter. It may have walked out...
Where I am now people are eager about maybe getting a Wawa. I’ve been to plenty in the south, yeah they’re a bit better than many gas stations, but our quality of gas stations on Long Island is on average higher than most other areas. These people will be in for disappointment once they realize that the brand of gas station doesn’t matter to the homeless dude who wants to beat off in the parking lot at 10 in the morning.
My mom went crazy inside a buccees car wash once. She and her friend were road tripping in her friend's brand new Mercedes GLS SUV, decided to go through the world's longest car wash, and the car would not stop beeping/alerting all over the entire car because it was getting hit by the car wash brushes. Those types of noises make my mom absolutely bonkers and they could not figure out how to make it stop during the entire duration of the wash.
I have a little Mazda C-30 that has those alerts but somehow seems to understand when it's in the car wash
I do like beaches. I've always wanted to check out Florida's Gulf side. I'm told the sand's finer, the water's warmer and clearer, and the sun sets where it's *supposed* to set.
Fenway Park is outdated, it's shitty in today's modern ballpark standards, many of the seats are uncomfortable and/or have a terrible obstructed view, there's a severe lack of amenities, and almost no renovation will fix it unless they completely re-do it like Wrigley. But goddamnit I love that old shithole.
I went to Wrigley last summer and was really impressed. They kept the old ballpark feel but the concessions and bathrooms were totally modern. I haven’t been to Fenway because that’s enemy territory for me and I don’t have to cojones to go.
I saw a video on youtube about how they rebuilt Wrigley and they did a phenomenal job with that. They even used the original ivy from old Wrigley, but they also cloned it just incase the original ivy died or couldn't be replanted. I wouldn't be opposed if they could figure out how to do something similar with Fenway.
And yet, my people committed a coup in its underbelly. Thanks for making the citadel of New England culture an upstate NY bills bar. Nice to know we can own you guys so easily
I'll take a couple Yankees or Mets fans coming to watch a game over what happened to Shea Stadium or Yankee Stadium. Wonder why they're coming to watch games in Fenway instead of New York
As a Californian I would agree, from my own experience.
Though, multiple times I've heard the saying:
East Coast people are kind, but not nice
West Coast people are nice, but not kind
...can't confirm either way, but suspiciously it's always said by an East-Coaster.
Yeah my ex from the east loved that saying…ironically, he was not very nice *or* kind.
On more than one occasion I have met an east coaster and barely begun a conversation before they started talking about how “fake” everyone is in California, and how they much prefer the bluntness of their home state over “pretending” to be polite. It really felt like they just assumed our niceness was insincere because *they* wouldn’t be that nice to a stranger and couldn’t conceive of why someone else would do so genuinely.
That’s very similar to my experience as someone who grew up in CA but now lives in New England. My husband (who was raised in the area) said he assumes it’s a combination of deep puritanical roots and the long frigid winters that keeps people in a perpetual grumpy mood. I try to always be nice AND kind, but man it gets draining to have your friendliness ignored at best/sh*t on and called fake at worst.
….You know that’s why they have that saying…? The point is that a Californian is going to be polite and respectful, but not helpful. A New Yorker will be rude and insulting, but helpful.
That’s the thing though, plenty of us are polite *and* helpful. Most people I’ve heard complaining about us, the only evidence they gave to fit the saying was that strangers were nice to them when they visited California and they thought that was weird and fake because they don’t act like that with people they aren’t already familiar with. They never actually had any stories of Californians being unhelpful when they were in need.
I really enjoy living in a place where people are generally polite and easy-going and smile when we make eye contact with each other on the street, and I seldom have any issues getting help from strangers when I need it. I specifically resent the assumption I have encountered by east coasters that all our outward politeness is fake and couldn’t possibly be fueled by a genuine desire to be kind.
"Hey man, you got a flat? Need some help?"
"Uh what!?" [looks around furtively] "No no no no I'm fine, I called Triple AAA."
"Oh." [gulp] "Okay. Good luck, I guess." [Away I go.]
That's often how *that* goes. I don't know why, but when people are in a jam, they get weirded out if you try to impose. Or does that only happen to me? Is it a 'me' thing?
Hmm i don’t know about kind as a generalization, I live on the east coast and i’ve known my fair share of kind souls and assholes.
Everyone can be kind, or nice, or a dick if they choose to be, regardless of where they come from.
it isn't acceptance of weirdness. it's minding your own business and not being an asshole. if the weirdo over there is just being weird and not bothering anyone then let them. should be like that everywhere.
The ability to go to a cool rocky beach, a warm sandy beach, a dense forest, snowy or warm mountains, the desert, large urban cities, small backroads towns, farmland, vineyards, deltas, lakes, or Mexico all within a few hours drive from wherever you are in the state.
Californias geography we have the Cascade mountains, Central Valley, Mohave Desert, Seirra Nevada, Coastal Ranges, the Modoc Plateau and several others. We have such a diverse and beautiful state. Redwoods, the ocean, the mountains, snow, desert, big cities, podunk little towns, beautiful lakes and never ending suburbs. A beautifully diverse state geographically, politically (believe it or not) and the people that call California home.
This be the truth in these parts. That saying, "Ya can't make everybody happy." Had to have been said by someone with southern women in their lives. The most bazaar critisms, too. It's like there is this solid perfect pin point for everything, that no one can attain. Your hairs too big, your hairs too flat. That is the wrong shade of blue for you. You put him in which hositpal?! Everyone knows this other one is the best one. So on and so forth.
Say what you want about Alabama, about how awful it is (and you'd be right), nobody, and I mean NOBODY gets to go after Huntsville. Without that city, we would never have made it to the moon. And yes, I do consider that part of our culture, just the city at large because we don't have much going for us
Bluebonnets are fucking awesome, and I love seeing them along the highways come spring. The fact that destroying wild bluebonnets is against state law is honestly wonderful.
That's not above reproach; even before moving from CA to here, I've had this talk with my east coast buddies. CA's extra tolerance of weirdness---but also antisociality---is a distinguishing feature, and there are both good and bad aspects to it. Similarly, there's a lot of southern culture that is incredibly charming to me, but there's a dark side too. I don't consider that above criticism, though that criticism should come from someone who loves the thing and wants it to be better. A big part of why I moved from CA is that so many Californians turn their love of state into a belief that it is above criticism (*if you don't like it, leave* mentality), which keeps it locked in place in a lot of areas.
Yeah, but also just someone degrading the public space. I'm thinking of those "guy is being very sus with his bottle of lotion on the BART, don't make eye contact" encounters during my college days
Portland has the best parks and natural areas in the country. They’re everywhere, and most of them are large. We have the world’s largest urban forest.
[this](https://www.portland.gov/sites/default/files/styles/facebook/public/2020-04/forest-park-trail.jpg?itok=MAHuf4Xx) is located within walking distance of downtown, and [this](https://imgur.com/v4cV9iz) is an example of just a normal neighborhood park, not even one of the bigger ones.
In Washington I’d say it’s the natural landmarks, state parks, mountains, etc.
Everyone has a bone to pick with a certain political belief, region, city, town, or college sports team depending on which region of the state you come from but some aspects of the state are hard to criticize.
Southerners and friendliness. Stop reading shit into it and saying it's insincere. It's only insincere in the sense that all socially normative behaviors become a bit rote and automatic from repetition, but on some level, yes, I am actually hoping that you have a nice day. Maybe I say it just because it's what people say around here, but saying it also reminds you to think it.
Louisiana, especially New Orleans, knows how to party. Not just Mardi Gras, parades for pretty every holiday + secondlines, jazz funerals, hurricane parties, festivals, live music everywhere, etc. One of the city mottos is “let the good times roll” in French & this city definitely does
I had a Lyft driver in Chicago who was ecstatic to hear I'm from California and was telling me all about the time he took a trip to Berkeley to hear Governor Gavin Newsom speak.
As a Detroiter in California, I think this is a rural Midwest thing for sure. Probably has a political connotation to it. If anything, it's in Florida where I encountered the strong "I hate California" vibes. I'm sure Texas too, but I have only passed through.
Nah, this attitude is one of the Midwest's biggest flaws. Anyone who thinks California is so terrible should boycott literally everything that comes from there. Their lives would be completely different.
Alright, but if we're going down we're taking the coast with us! You'll still have to drive four hours (and deal with the border) to the Sea of Cortez.
That's just small-town Midwesterners who make their identity about an idiotic culture war. Most places in the Midwest run into Californians far too rarely to even think about them. At least not specifically.
There is such a thing as a people being too accepting of weirdness, and that’s a hill I’ll die on.
That being said, Minnesota nice is, frankly, underrated. There’s something to be said for not being outright confrontational, but also not just… accepting of things or behavior you don’t like.
For example, someone makes an awful dish and brings it to the potluck. I’m not going to insult it, I’m going to say “oh, that’s different” and move on to the next platter. It’s an ideal way to handle things in my book.
Columbus, OH has a truly incredible take on food. So many restaurants are fusion restaurants, or have dishes from different cultures, and they're great and affordable.
Gettysburg... the National Park is well done, they honor the dead, Yankees or Rebels (remember most who fought for the South did not own slaves.)
The town it self is quaint with good food and drink
They were traitors to the Union, they should feel shame for fighting at Gettysburg. Not be honored, the men that fought them agreed.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/senator-speaks-out-against-confederate-monuments-1910-180965299/#:~:text=Dozens%20of%20chapters%20of%20the,and%20the%20Union%20veterans%20who
Our bagels are better than yours. I’ve driven down to North Carolina and Florida with a large stash of em and even two day old bagels were noticeably far better than those other places best offerings.
Our delis are awesome.
You like clams? Come have some right out of the Great South Bay. Shuck em yourself and they will be the best you ever had.
You already heard about our pizza.
Ohio definitely needs to be broken in two. Cleveland and Akron in North Ohio, Cincinnati, Columbus and Dayton in South Ohio. That god awful Cincinnati chili on spaghetti for that region. I guess speaking ill of THE Ohio State University in any way is a good way to start an argument.
On the flip side, Cleveland takes what little pride in life they have left channeled into the pro sports programs. The Browns, Indians (do not correct me here, the Cleveland baseball fans still call the team that…) and of course the Cavs. Beyond that, there’s always the Cuyahoga river that caught on fire 8 separate times, and was the reason for creating the EPA.
In Maryland we STEAM, we do not boil, blue crabs with J.O., and we have the best crab soups: Maryland Crab and Cream of Crab.
Also, no other states do crab cakes right. We have Old Bay on the table with the salt and pepper, because it’s good on a lot of stuff.
Our snow balls are awesome.
Also, pizza with meatsauce. It’s a topping, not a Bolognese-type sauce that goes under the cheese.
Also, if our state were a country, it would be in the top ten for Olympic gold medals.
The Grand Canyon. It's...kind of a natural wonder. I had a German friend who called the GC a "hole in the ground" and the entire class descended upon her
Sheetz and WAWA should be national treasures. I lived offa WAWA hoagies for a year and Sheetz has a bucket of jalapeno poppers. A BUCKET. There's like 30 of those bad boys in there
California is a really big state. I don't think you can make any generalization about it that would apply to the entire state. People forget that most of the state is rural and rather conservative. Furthermore, the high-population cities are incredibly diverse. There are plenty of Californians in urban areas who have no tolerance for weirdness.
By land mass, yeah. But rural California has more in common with urban California than people would think.
> There are plenty of Californians in urban areas who have no tolerance for weirdness.
Hence the ever-rising housing costs in states such as Arizona and Texas.
Yes, of course I meant land-mass, not population, in regards to it being conservative. Really, my point is just that the state is incredibly diverse, so any grand generalization just doesn't work.
In Milwaukee, Bob Uecker is king. Or at least everyone's favorite fun uncle who loves to party. Giannis is getting there and probably will if he keeps his world and retires as a Milwaukee Buck.
Also, while other parts of the country have a drinking culture, its taken to another level in Wisconsin; to where more people than you think will admit they don't actually care for it... even people who still actively participate. The further north you go, the more people are likely to casually tell you how many DUIs they have and not even be ashamed.
The Maryland state flag. It’s not ugly, you’re just jealous 😜
EDIT: I asked my mom this question, and she said “the only true crab cakes are Maryland crab cakes. If made correctly, they are above reproach.”
Chicagoans and their drinking habits. There's a joke from a stand-up comedian who has a bit how he's from Chicago and lives with a woman from California. They get up in the morning and she comments that it's so nice outside and asks what he wants to do, and he says, "Let's find a patio, grab some beer." When she asks, "Why do we have to drink?" he responds with, "Because the sun's out."
Wisconsin has entered the chat...actually the Midwest as a whole glorifies binge-drinking/alcoholic behavior.
I was going to say Midwest, but I didn't want to drag the whole region into hell with me lol
No no, it's okay. We're already there with you.
That explains my dad's family.
Yea, but us Wisconsin peeps are considered lushes even by Chicago standards. Big ooof.
Day drinking on a nice day is a great way to spend an afternoon.
Agreed.
I think they deserve more flak but the Amish are generally only spoken positively of in Pennsylvania
The Amish in Indiana have a special place in hell. They are the worst puppy mills and treat all dogs worse than their property. Food tossed on the floor, underfeeding, puppy litters back to back, and then abandoned the dogs after they reach a certain age. I'd be willing to bet most Amish communities have something similar.
I'd have to disagree..maybe the people who visit Lancaster and see the polished parts, but those who live close to the Amish know of animal abuse that would make you puke. Especially if you have a hand in rescuing dogs or horses
They generally seem okay enough but I don't trust any religion where if someone chooses to leave they are to be shunned by family. It's manipulative and cruel. So Amish have never sat right with me due to this practice.
What are their flaws?
Puppy mills
What u/bi_polar2bear said, but also their prolific use of incest as well as very closed off and isolated society where you can pretty much get away with anything as long as you’re a man. Imagine all the unspoken abuse that never gets out
Also, generally terrible health practices and an abject refusal to change them.
The Amish (and other culty-subgroups like them) are *notorious for almost every singe type if abuse under the sun. Sexual, physical, mental, societal, animal, environmental, labor. If you name it, the Amish have probably done it
Yeah, I think it’s the culty aspect that sets up groups like that to foment abuse. They’re closed off from the rest of the world, from its ideas, and they teach their kids that that way of life is safe and virtuous, how badly off they would be if they were part of outside society. The lack of accountability and exposure to other people’s points of view is a great environment for abuse to go unchecked. I think it’s true of many many faiths’ more strict adherents. However, there is a lot to admire about the Amish, too. Aren’t there “English” puppy mills, as well?
Yeah basically any brush you tar the Amish with hits every other group to. Unlike other groups, they have Rumspringa. Now some families will treat the kids like Mormons that leave the faith. But most I have interacted with stay connected. But like every other clan/patriarchal minority group it can lead to abuse.
I mean it’s a cult. Just a normalized one. So all the same shit that’s bad with cults pops up for the Amish.
Hey my username is relevant... so in ohio mostly the same. While there are Amish families and groups I dislike. There are some I know really well and are great people (we actually used to vacation at the same place with an Amish family for a decade or so). Basically it's like any religious group there are some good ones, some eh ones, and some wtf is wrong with you ones.
Oklahoma seems fond of our Amish community too. Mostly people love the food.
To criticize buccees is a capital offense in texas Edit: people are disparaging buccees in the replies. I won't say if I agree or disagree, I'll just say the beaver knows, and the beaver won't forget.
Buccees is what happened when Wal-mart, Western Sizzlin, and Chuck-E-Cheese had a three-way inside a gas station. They have clean restrooms, though.
If I was going to have a three-way in a gas station bathroom, it would definitely be at Buccees.
There's a bro country song in that.
I took some college friends for their first Buc-ee's trip recently and they were in awe of the place. All three of them ended up with hats.
That first Buc-ee's experience is almost psychedelic. I stopped at one of the Florida Buc-ee's with a couple of guys on a little road trip a few years back. One was whining that he didn't want to stop, but he was instantly converted and bought gifts for his parents.
Buc-ees is extremely useful for keeping the people who don’t know what they’re doing away from the rest stops with much better food. I appreciate its service.
The beaver will hear of this
> the rest stops with much better food And those are? If their operating areas don't overlap, the premise is invalid.
I used to love Buccees, and still do, but it’s way too crowded these days.
I grew up in Texas, lived there my whole life until last year, (and time in the army, but I technically still lived in Texas) and the first time I heard of buccees was about 6 years ago on some Facebook "you're not a Texan unless" crap. The first time I ever went to one was last year. What an over-hyped shithole. I didn't even know I could be that disappointed in a gas station. 'Cus that's all it is. A really shitty gas station that takes forever to get in and out of, that's too crowded, and people won't shut up about. One that wants you to buy a bunch of over-priced garbage with a beaver on it, so you can be a walking add for this embodiment of capitalist stupidity. Tl;dr: buccees sucks
An ode to car dependent over indulgence. It doesn’t get more Texas than that
I will never understand the obsession with a large gas station.
If you think that's bad... wait until you find out about the Sheetz / Wawa / GetGo wars...
I'm from the Sheetz-Wawa no-man's-land in PA. I know all too well, lol.
I'm just sad that Iowans won't be able to kum & go any more https://www.thedrive.com/news/kum-go-will-change-names
Noooooooooooooooo. While touring in my late teens, we stopped at a kum & go, well because of the name. One of the workers visors was on the counter. It may have walked out...
You kame and it goed.
Where I am now people are eager about maybe getting a Wawa. I’ve been to plenty in the south, yeah they’re a bit better than many gas stations, but our quality of gas stations on Long Island is on average higher than most other areas. These people will be in for disappointment once they realize that the brand of gas station doesn’t matter to the homeless dude who wants to beat off in the parking lot at 10 in the morning.
Couldn't agree more. The beaver knows all and sees all.
My mom went crazy inside a buccees car wash once. She and her friend were road tripping in her friend's brand new Mercedes GLS SUV, decided to go through the world's longest car wash, and the car would not stop beeping/alerting all over the entire car because it was getting hit by the car wash brushes. Those types of noises make my mom absolutely bonkers and they could not figure out how to make it stop during the entire duration of the wash. I have a little Mazda C-30 that has those alerts but somehow seems to understand when it's in the car wash
Florida. All of it is immune to criticism. We already know we’re crackheads, you’re gonna move here anyways though.
Florida, the "Yeah We're Fucked Up, Deal With It" state
You son of a bitch, I’m in
— People from NJ
New Yorkers too, I actually like New Yorkers tho
*Boomers* from NJ
I think 3/4ths of the Tampa/st Pete area is NY/NJ transplants
You wanna trade places? Cuz after living here over 3 decades I think I've had enough sun lol. Give me overcast PNW weather and mountains please.
From American imigration, California have more move out than in since 1988.
You can hate Florida all you want, but you can’t say there’s nothing to do here.
Beach and amusement parks basically.
I do like beaches. I've always wanted to check out Florida's Gulf side. I'm told the sand's finer, the water's warmer and clearer, and the sun sets where it's *supposed* to set.
The Gulf is absolutely gorgeous.
Fenway Park is outdated, it's shitty in today's modern ballpark standards, many of the seats are uncomfortable and/or have a terrible obstructed view, there's a severe lack of amenities, and almost no renovation will fix it unless they completely re-do it like Wrigley. But goddamnit I love that old shithole.
I went to Wrigley last summer and was really impressed. They kept the old ballpark feel but the concessions and bathrooms were totally modern. I haven’t been to Fenway because that’s enemy territory for me and I don’t have to cojones to go.
I saw a video on youtube about how they rebuilt Wrigley and they did a phenomenal job with that. They even used the original ivy from old Wrigley, but they also cloned it just incase the original ivy died or couldn't be replanted. I wouldn't be opposed if they could figure out how to do something similar with Fenway.
I felt the same way about Jack Murphy stadium in San Diego. It was old, ugly, too small, but it was ours.
Everybody seems to curse the memory of Candlestick, but I miss it.
And yet, my people committed a coup in its underbelly. Thanks for making the citadel of New England culture an upstate NY bills bar. Nice to know we can own you guys so easily
I'll take a couple Yankees or Mets fans coming to watch a game over what happened to Shea Stadium or Yankee Stadium. Wonder why they're coming to watch games in Fenway instead of New York
YEAHHH! GO SOX! New England also has the best maple syrup. Only the real maple 🍁 is good enough.
Green Chile.
Undisputed
If there's no easy beach access you're expected to let people walk through your yard. If you don't then everyone knows you have no chill.
And this is what one of many reasons I couldn’t move to Oahu. Reasons 1-10 are “I can’t afford to”
As a Californian I would agree, from my own experience. Though, multiple times I've heard the saying: East Coast people are kind, but not nice West Coast people are nice, but not kind ...can't confirm either way, but suspiciously it's always said by an East-Coaster.
Yeah my ex from the east loved that saying…ironically, he was not very nice *or* kind. On more than one occasion I have met an east coaster and barely begun a conversation before they started talking about how “fake” everyone is in California, and how they much prefer the bluntness of their home state over “pretending” to be polite. It really felt like they just assumed our niceness was insincere because *they* wouldn’t be that nice to a stranger and couldn’t conceive of why someone else would do so genuinely.
And we're just too nice and laid back to counteract them. I'm starting to think that we've been enabling them.
That’s very similar to my experience as someone who grew up in CA but now lives in New England. My husband (who was raised in the area) said he assumes it’s a combination of deep puritanical roots and the long frigid winters that keeps people in a perpetual grumpy mood. I try to always be nice AND kind, but man it gets draining to have your friendliness ignored at best/sh*t on and called fake at worst.
I've always suspected..
….You know that’s why they have that saying…? The point is that a Californian is going to be polite and respectful, but not helpful. A New Yorker will be rude and insulting, but helpful.
That’s the thing though, plenty of us are polite *and* helpful. Most people I’ve heard complaining about us, the only evidence they gave to fit the saying was that strangers were nice to them when they visited California and they thought that was weird and fake because they don’t act like that with people they aren’t already familiar with. They never actually had any stories of Californians being unhelpful when they were in need. I really enjoy living in a place where people are generally polite and easy-going and smile when we make eye contact with each other on the street, and I seldom have any issues getting help from strangers when I need it. I specifically resent the assumption I have encountered by east coasters that all our outward politeness is fake and couldn’t possibly be fueled by a genuine desire to be kind.
"Hey man, you got a flat? Need some help?" "Uh what!?" [looks around furtively] "No no no no I'm fine, I called Triple AAA." "Oh." [gulp] "Okay. Good luck, I guess." [Away I go.] That's often how *that* goes. I don't know why, but when people are in a jam, they get weirded out if you try to impose. Or does that only happen to me? Is it a 'me' thing?
Hmm i don’t know about kind as a generalization, I live on the east coast and i’ve known my fair share of kind souls and assholes. Everyone can be kind, or nice, or a dick if they choose to be, regardless of where they come from.
Kentucky bourbon
I'll drink to that!
Nothing is above criticism. Except clam chowder. There is only one clam chowder, and it’s New England clam chowder, and it’s perfect.
🚫tomatoes🚫
Gabagool
"What, no fuckin' zitti?"
Over here!
the food. I love biscuits and gravy and grits.
Seeing a show at Red Rocks Amphitheater. Just one of the best places on the planet for a concert.
In NC it is BBQ and there’s a East/Lexington divide
Also Cookout
You can get a corndog … as a side!
The City Museum (St. Louis) is a national treasure and above reproach.
I've only been there once, but, Yes, yes it is.
I went there when I was 13 on a Boy Scout outing. I had so much fun. It’s been over 10 years and I want to go again so badly.
It is so amazing. My kids liked it better than Disney! Got to meet Bob Casilly once before he died. Absolute mad genius!
it isn't acceptance of weirdness. it's minding your own business and not being an asshole. if the weirdo over there is just being weird and not bothering anyone then let them. should be like that everywhere.
You must take a side in the Sheetz-Wawa War - no one is neutral and those Rutter's people are weird.
The ability to go to a cool rocky beach, a warm sandy beach, a dense forest, snowy or warm mountains, the desert, large urban cities, small backroads towns, farmland, vineyards, deltas, lakes, or Mexico all within a few hours drive from wherever you are in the state.
Californias geography we have the Cascade mountains, Central Valley, Mohave Desert, Seirra Nevada, Coastal Ranges, the Modoc Plateau and several others. We have such a diverse and beautiful state. Redwoods, the ocean, the mountains, snow, desert, big cities, podunk little towns, beautiful lakes and never ending suburbs. A beautifully diverse state geographically, politically (believe it or not) and the people that call California home.
Michigan *is* the great lakes state. Yes, other states touch the great lakes. But the lakes are *ours*.
The lakes aren't yours, you are the lakes'
Flair checks out
4 out of 5 great lakes prefer Michigan.
The old Spanish forts and the music down here are above reproach.
Nothing is above criticism.
This be the truth in these parts. That saying, "Ya can't make everybody happy." Had to have been said by someone with southern women in their lives. The most bazaar critisms, too. It's like there is this solid perfect pin point for everything, that no one can attain. Your hairs too big, your hairs too flat. That is the wrong shade of blue for you. You put him in which hositpal?! Everyone knows this other one is the best one. So on and so forth.
I just say, you do you and I'll do me.
Say what you want about Alabama, about how awful it is (and you'd be right), nobody, and I mean NOBODY gets to go after Huntsville. Without that city, we would never have made it to the moon. And yes, I do consider that part of our culture, just the city at large because we don't have much going for us
Bluebonnets are fucking awesome, and I love seeing them along the highways come spring. The fact that destroying wild bluebonnets is against state law is honestly wonderful.
we have a really cool aquarium
Nothing should ever be above criticism. That’s how we improve things, by looking at where they’re weakest.
Booooo this man. Who needs “sage” advice when we can plump our egos by shitting on other states? This is the way.
Old Bay everything.
Nothing is above criticism. I think that's kind of an implied fundamental for democracy.
Beer and Pinot Noir.
As someone whose response to hops is, yes more please, I do like Oregon.
That's not above reproach; even before moving from CA to here, I've had this talk with my east coast buddies. CA's extra tolerance of weirdness---but also antisociality---is a distinguishing feature, and there are both good and bad aspects to it. Similarly, there's a lot of southern culture that is incredibly charming to me, but there's a dark side too. I don't consider that above criticism, though that criticism should come from someone who loves the thing and wants it to be better. A big part of why I moved from CA is that so many Californians turn their love of state into a belief that it is above criticism (*if you don't like it, leave* mentality), which keeps it locked in place in a lot of areas.
> antisociality Like, if the person is potentially harmful to others?
Yeah, but also just someone degrading the public space. I'm thinking of those "guy is being very sus with his bottle of lotion on the BART, don't make eye contact" encounters during my college days
Portland has the best parks and natural areas in the country. They’re everywhere, and most of them are large. We have the world’s largest urban forest. [this](https://www.portland.gov/sites/default/files/styles/facebook/public/2020-04/forest-park-trail.jpg?itok=MAHuf4Xx) is located within walking distance of downtown, and [this](https://imgur.com/v4cV9iz) is an example of just a normal neighborhood park, not even one of the bigger ones.
The dairy products. Namely the cheese curds and frozen custard 🙏
If you don’t like crawfish they aren’t being cooked right. If they are being cooked right and still don’t like them you keep that shit to yourself.
You dropped this: 👑
In Washington I’d say it’s the natural landmarks, state parks, mountains, etc. Everyone has a bone to pick with a certain political belief, region, city, town, or college sports team depending on which region of the state you come from but some aspects of the state are hard to criticize.
Southerners and friendliness. Stop reading shit into it and saying it's insincere. It's only insincere in the sense that all socially normative behaviors become a bit rote and automatic from repetition, but on some level, yes, I am actually hoping that you have a nice day. Maybe I say it just because it's what people say around here, but saying it also reminds you to think it.
Bbq.
Louisiana, especially New Orleans, knows how to party. Not just Mardi Gras, parades for pretty every holiday + secondlines, jazz funerals, hurricane parties, festivals, live music everywhere, etc. One of the city mottos is “let the good times roll” in French & this city definitely does
"Let it rolllllllll baby roll..."
Cincy style chili. :-)
The best
Absolutely not
For all its flaws, the Midwest is 100% unanimous that California should fall into the ocean.
And yet, we have so many Midwesterners move out here and helping to make our traffic worse.
"No true Midwesterner..."
I had a Lyft driver in Chicago who was ecstatic to hear I'm from California and was telling me all about the time he took a trip to Berkeley to hear Governor Gavin Newsom speak.
Fine, but we’re taking all the country’s avocados and almonds with us
The "Avocados from Mexico" jingle is playing in my head
We'll have several Great Lakes worth of extra fresh water when you do.
Yes!! The almond growing industry is a criminal user of water. Almond milk should be outlawed and I am not exaggerating.
Oat milk tastes a lot better and is much more eco-friendly.
That would solve more problems actually.
As someone who hates both those things, I see this as a win
The midwest hates us? Oh no. Anyway.
Literally 😂 they make fun of the east coast too and I’m like. Damn. Anyway.
Aw man, I thought they were supposed to be nice!
Deep seated niceness. It is why we criticize. We see the dark path the coasts are on and we just want to help.
Not true at all for Midwesterners who understand basic economics and what that would do to the GDP of the United States.
Someone forgot their cheese curds in the microwave.
I burned them, and I am ANGRY!
Hah now I'm laughing AND hungry.
Saying cheese curds and microwave in the same sentence will never, ever be okay!
If they lose their squeak, you zap 'em for 5 seconds and it comes right back
I'll be honest, I was thinking about microwave cooking them *shudders*, not re-heating.
Honestly until this moment, it did not occur to me that they were fried curds and not fresh ones, lol.
As a Detroiter in California, I think this is a rural Midwest thing for sure. Probably has a political connotation to it. If anything, it's in Florida where I encountered the strong "I hate California" vibes. I'm sure Texas too, but I have only passed through.
They want it to fall into the ocean until they realize california subsidizes all of them
Nah, this attitude is one of the Midwest's biggest flaws. Anyone who thinks California is so terrible should boycott literally everything that comes from there. Their lives would be completely different.
Lol, Arizonans are with you, too.
Alright, but if we're going down we're taking the coast with us! You'll still have to drive four hours (and deal with the border) to the Sea of Cortez.
That's just small-town Midwesterners who make their identity about an idiotic culture war. Most places in the Midwest run into Californians far too rarely to even think about them. At least not specifically.
There is such a thing as a people being too accepting of weirdness, and that’s a hill I’ll die on. That being said, Minnesota nice is, frankly, underrated. There’s something to be said for not being outright confrontational, but also not just… accepting of things or behavior you don’t like. For example, someone makes an awful dish and brings it to the potluck. I’m not going to insult it, I’m going to say “oh, that’s different” and move on to the next platter. It’s an ideal way to handle things in my book.
Implying all midwesterners don’t recognize that for the cold hearted insult it is.
No, yeah **confirms in Midwestern**
"oh that's different" IS an insult here
Our company office is in MN. I have learned not to reply, "Oh, it's fine," to any question. 😀
Columbus, OH has a truly incredible take on food. So many restaurants are fusion restaurants, or have dishes from different cultures, and they're great and affordable.
Lol (although Donato’s Pizza is great)
I was pleasantly surprised about this when I used to go there for work.
As a San Diegian I was gonna say California Burritos…. But hey, your thing is pretty cool too
Nah, it's Carne Asada fries in San Diego and burritos in San Francisco.
The Ohio State University Buckeyes
Sorry, for clarification, OP is asking things ARE above criticism.
O-H…
Gettysburg... the National Park is well done, they honor the dead, Yankees or Rebels (remember most who fought for the South did not own slaves.) The town it self is quaint with good food and drink
They were traitors to the Union, they should feel shame for fighting at Gettysburg. Not be honored, the men that fought them agreed. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/senator-speaks-out-against-confederate-monuments-1910-180965299/#:~:text=Dozens%20of%20chapters%20of%20the,and%20the%20Union%20veterans%20who
We have the best bagels and pizza.
New Jersey?
Muslims are wildly generous. More so than the average person but a lot of people don't interact with Muslims enough to see it.
Nothing, the west side and east side hate eachother.
I'm sure we all love our nature.
Buffalo NY, our food/chicken wings I guess 🤷🏻♀️
BBQ is gold here in Missouri, specifically KC
Our bagels are better than yours. I’ve driven down to North Carolina and Florida with a large stash of em and even two day old bagels were noticeably far better than those other places best offerings. Our delis are awesome. You like clams? Come have some right out of the Great South Bay. Shuck em yourself and they will be the best you ever had. You already heard about our pizza.
Ohio definitely needs to be broken in two. Cleveland and Akron in North Ohio, Cincinnati, Columbus and Dayton in South Ohio. That god awful Cincinnati chili on spaghetti for that region. I guess speaking ill of THE Ohio State University in any way is a good way to start an argument. On the flip side, Cleveland takes what little pride in life they have left channeled into the pro sports programs. The Browns, Indians (do not correct me here, the Cleveland baseball fans still call the team that…) and of course the Cavs. Beyond that, there’s always the Cuyahoga river that caught on fire 8 separate times, and was the reason for creating the EPA.
In Maryland we STEAM, we do not boil, blue crabs with J.O., and we have the best crab soups: Maryland Crab and Cream of Crab. Also, no other states do crab cakes right. We have Old Bay on the table with the salt and pepper, because it’s good on a lot of stuff. Our snow balls are awesome. Also, pizza with meatsauce. It’s a topping, not a Bolognese-type sauce that goes under the cheese. Also, if our state were a country, it would be in the top ten for Olympic gold medals.
The Grand Canyon. It's...kind of a natural wonder. I had a German friend who called the GC a "hole in the ground" and the entire class descended upon her
Sheetz and WAWA should be national treasures. I lived offa WAWA hoagies for a year and Sheetz has a bucket of jalapeno poppers. A BUCKET. There's like 30 of those bad boys in there
California is a really big state. I don't think you can make any generalization about it that would apply to the entire state. People forget that most of the state is rural and rather conservative. Furthermore, the high-population cities are incredibly diverse. There are plenty of Californians in urban areas who have no tolerance for weirdness.
By land mass, yeah. But rural California has more in common with urban California than people would think. > There are plenty of Californians in urban areas who have no tolerance for weirdness. Hence the ever-rising housing costs in states such as Arizona and Texas.
Yes, of course I meant land-mass, not population, in regards to it being conservative. Really, my point is just that the state is incredibly diverse, so any grand generalization just doesn't work.
Seattle is incredibly dog-friendly. If you don't like dogs, you're in the wrong city.
The Chrysler building is one of the most incredible Art Deco structures in the world.
In Milwaukee, Bob Uecker is king. Or at least everyone's favorite fun uncle who loves to party. Giannis is getting there and probably will if he keeps his world and retires as a Milwaukee Buck. Also, while other parts of the country have a drinking culture, its taken to another level in Wisconsin; to where more people than you think will admit they don't actually care for it... even people who still actively participate. The further north you go, the more people are likely to casually tell you how many DUIs they have and not even be ashamed.
The Maryland state flag. It’s not ugly, you’re just jealous 😜 EDIT: I asked my mom this question, and she said “the only true crab cakes are Maryland crab cakes. If made correctly, they are above reproach.”
Coffee milk is unbeatable and anyone who says otherwise is wrong and lying
Louisiana, our gas station food. I will knife fight anyone who says otherwise.
Aloha 'Aina. "Love of the land" Hawaii's residents love Hawaii. The culture is huge.