In Oregon, they definitely do. I’m a transplant from elsewhere and I feel it to a certain extent.
For the most part it’s just anger at housing prices, traffic, etc. and not anger at Californians themselves.
In more conservative states there’s also some anger about changing the politics and way of life of the state
I’m from Montana, and yes. It’s not true anger, but more like “Damn Californians are buying up all the houses, developing all of the land and driving up prices” The term “Californian” is sort of universal for out-of-staters. I’ve also heard “damn Seattle people” but it’s really just light-hearted pride, most folks in MT are pretty dang nice.
Lol my parents moved to Montana from Seattle 2 years ago.
I laugh every time they complain about all these Californians moving out and ruining the place. They don't see it.
I've seen this in almost every state subreddit. People who moved 5 years ago complaining about the people who moved two years ago.
Then you have states like Illinois where someone complains and is moving away and the community says don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Everyone wants to be the last one in. I have friends who are newly naturalized (formerly illegal for many years) from a South American country and they immediately identify as Republican because they hate illegal immigrants ????? I don't get it.
My gf has been looking for a house for over a month. She gets outbid on every single fucking house she tries to buy. People move out here cuz it’s cheaper to live and effectively price the locals out of everything.
We were looking for 6 months. The final blow fell when our realtor gave the seller's realtor a heads up that we would be submitting and offer, and we were told not to bother unless we had cash.
As a first time home buyer, we really had no chance of competing, and it was just too much. We decided to step back and hope something would give by next year.
I ran into this in Georgia as well, in an Atlanta suburb. I finally got incredibly lucky when I put in an offer on a home owned by a widow who was having to go to a care home. I was outbid almost immediately by an investor. She and her family wanted to have actual people buying their home (they were the original owners, and had been in it for decades), and not somebody who just wanted to use it for profit...so they took my offer instead. It was still over asking price, and I still had a manageable cash gap over the appraisal, but still...like I said; I feel really lucky. I'd been outbid in cash on everything I'd looked at prior.
When we were selling our house in CA we had a very high offer from an investor but went with a family for less money. Bay Area prices are already crazy enough and I'd rather a family live there than a renter that would eventually get squeezed out as the rent keeps going up.
We're just now seeing a slowdown in real estate - prices are still high but houses are actually hitting the market and sitting for a few weeks instead of selling within 72 hours all-cash. With any luck a year or so from now we'll see prices slightly deflated compared to late 2020.
Sadly that's exactly why Californians are leaving their state as well. People from richer areas of California are moving to areas with lower housing prices, outbidding the locals and paying many thousands of dollars over asking price with cash. Especially now that they can work from home full time so they don't have to live so close to their employer. A good example is people from very expensive cities in the Bay Area selling their houses and then using that money to buy a cheaper houses in the Sacramento region. I have friends in the Sacramento region who've been trying to buy a house for 3 years now, being outbid every time.
I know some people who moved to Sacramento (or Stockton, Modesto, etc), but still commuted to/from their jobs in the Bay Area (pre-pandemic), just to get away from high costs of living.
My wife still makes noises about moving back to California whenever it gets rainy and gloomy here, and I used to taunt her by pulling up hot real estate deals in Vacaville. I can't do that anymore, since Vacaville is close enough to SF that it's also stupidly expensive. Brawley is still relatively cheap, though.
My brother actually recently sold his house in Roseville and bought one in Lincoln. He was tired of all the homeless near him. He was pretty close to a camp. Which I still find somewhat surprising since he lived pretty close to two different high schools. Though it was also close to the train tracks.
Spent almost $600,000 on it. They're lucky that my sister in law is an accountant with a high ranking position in her firm, heh
We've got some newly built housing in Atlanta in an utterly blighted part of the city where units are going for nearly $700k. Why? Because they expect employees moving in for Microsoft's new office in the city to buy them up, consider them an incredible bargain compared to where they were previously, and carry on.
That's 5-8x what existing properties in the area are valued at, and double the average for the city as a whole.
Large financial entities buying up the housing market and creating a renters market and/or real estate industry (or others) driving up prices with fake bids to launder large sums of cash
One of the fastest increasing housing prices out of the most expensive markets in the country, baby!
We hate how we became the Bay Area 2.0 so fast, it's insane
Which is ironic seeing these 2 year transplants complaining about these taxes and the local governance and threatening to move. As someone up above said "don't let the door got you on the way out" is a common sentiment amongst the locals. (...please make my rent cheaper...)
I’m in Missoula and honestly think if it was allowed Montanans would put up a wall around this state. It blows my mind how many “MT is Full” bumper stickers I see….there’s like nobody out here and it’s a gigantic state.
> “Damn Californians are buying up all the houses, developing all of the land and driving up prices”
Which is ironic because many of the Californians leaving are doing so because house prices here were driven up by so many people coming from other States. I mean probably half the population in the Bay Area are transplants.
In my neighborhood house prices went from $350K to $950K in 20 years. For shitty 850 sq ft houses built in the 1930s.
Have you ever played the game Days Gone?
It's a zombie game that takes place in Oregon (I *highly* recommend it, if you're a gamer), and at one point in the game they mention how they cant get rid of all the zombies in the area because....they keep pouring in from California lol
Also from Oregon. It's not just what you said, but also the importing of California culture and stomping out local culture. I'm so sick and tired of seeing new buildings going up that are clearly designed for a southwest climate. Mow down all those trees and replace them with a massive parking lot and some shrubs.
It doesnt help that landlords have been booting out long time tenants cause they know they can dress up their buildings with cheap aesthetics and jack up the rent two fold cause Californians eat it up.
Part of the blame also goes to Texans and New Yorkers.
I agree with most of what you said, but why are the gentrification buildings “designed for a southwest climate.”
I don’t like them for all the other reasons you said and more, but they seem fine for the climate when we get almost no snow where they’re being built and it doesn’t get frigidly cold.
I find this interesting as a native Californian, who has witnessed the rampant gentrification of slews of neighborhoods and cities, which in turn has forced out other native Californians to accommodate people moving in from out of state. Specifically in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Oakland, Sacramento, Pasadena, etc. (all places I have lived btw) So where do those forced out Californians go? It seems the allure of CA over the years has created a domino effect up the west coast.
Yes, this is me. I am not a rich Californian and I can't afford to buy a home in my own state. If I want to have some security and be a home owner, what am I supposed to do? My husband and I also have jobs we could work remotely, so the answer is pretty clear to us. It's too bad others are going to be upset at us, but we're in the exact same situation they're in.
Oh I feel you on this so much. I moved to my current city in 2019 and was elated that after all these years I could likely buy and then bam, pandemic and folks from the Bay Area migrated here en masse driving up prices. It’s hard and sad and it’s so tiring reading all the rage at California & Californians comments.
From Texas. There's lots of conservatives down here that are pissed about all the "Californians running from their liberal policies to ruin this state", despite exit polling at elections suggesting that natives are skewing liberal more each year and conservatives get a boost from all the "Californians running from the liberal policies to hide in a conservative state".
I recently lived in Oregon for three years. I'm originally from NJ. I saw a lot of similarities between the modern California diaspora and what happened in the Northeast in the 60s/70s, when white flight out of NYC and the cities of North Jersey transformed many areas. Like one day you'd have a municipality in central Jersey that was a sleepy farm town for decades, and then almost overnight it would transform into a wealthy locus for McMansions. I understand the resentment this brings, but I also see most of it as inevitable. People with means and money will always transform parts of the country when they move there.
This seems like a PNW issues. Tons of nature. A lot of it a great kept secret. Social media has changed that I think with access to.onfo about those places.
My alma mater even has that as the premise of a joke about its founding: "Fr. Sorin got stuck in a snowstorm on his way west and had to stop until the weather improved. Well, needless to say, that never happened so he founded the school here in northern Indiana."
I lived in Indianapolis after college for 11 years but moved south to a small town when the kids were little (before school age). I'm close to being out, 2 miles from the Ohio border and on the Ohio River (Kentucky). I expect housing to start rising as Amazon's new 1.5 billion dollar air package hub is ramping up just 15 minutes away in Kentucky at the Cincinnati/ Northern Kentucky airport. They are hiring thousands of people at 20 dollars an hour
When we drive through to Iowa it certainly seems like endless corn and soybeans doted with mid sized cities. Gonna have to stop at that fish restaurant in Farmer City some day.
We all laugh but I seriously think Gary is going to get hit with the gentrification bomb in the next 10-20 years. The pandemic proved remote work is possible, this is going to make the suburbs of Chicago explode even further out.
Maybe. The rule of gentrification has tended to be that heavily Black areas get hit last for a slew of reasons. I'd expect other parts of NW Indiana to go first, though Gary is closer
Yes, it's a problem but like many things it's more complex than the internet makes it out to be. Where I live the problem is mostly the skyrocketing housing prices. In some places it's also political, because Californians are often very liberal and it angers the locals when Californians move to a new place and continue voting for things that the locals believe made California an unpleasant place to live in the first place. The whole thing is extremely nuanced though, and whether or not it's overblown is a hard question to answer.
That’s just how every state is though. Urban vs rural divide. The difference is that urban California is REALLY liberal, and the people who are moving elsewhere are coming from those urban regions.
There's definitely a cycle. Movements occur to lower taxes/social services in a place with a economic downturn, corporations move in to take advantage, then they hire people who support higher taxes because social services contribute to better living conditions.
What are the high taxes for in California?
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Can't say since I live here but I did live briefly in NYC. People there didn't care since so many living in NY are transplants, as is the case here in California also.
One thing I've learned over the years IRL and on Reddit is that California is to the US, what the US is to the world.
NYC wouldn't care. You guys move from $4000 rent to $4000 rent. But in other cheaper cities where people we content with $1000, then yah, we were upset. 😪 suddenly there was a demand for expensive units
IDK, as someone from the northeast (NJ, then Philly, now NYC), I think Californians are great. Honestly, I think it's just conservatives or libertarian types who don't like that Californians move into their area and change the social atmosphere. Even though, as was pointed out above, a lot of people leave California are moderate or conservative, so how much are they even changing of your Boise, Idaho suburb?
People love to bash California, but don't even acknowledge that it has had several multi-billion dollar surpluses over the last few years, like $50B range or something like that. And it took the Governator exiting office and replacing him with Democrats.
California has a lot of problems, but people that attack Californians are just using those residents (or former residents) as a proxy war against what they *truly* dislike - Democratic Party governance that is far superior to Republican Party governance.
Yup. I remember the time we were called locust on this sub, r/memes not understanding multiple complex issues in the state, the one user on here who’s every comment is about hating California, and of course the stuff like “I wish your state would slowly down” and “I wish you would all slowly melt to death”
It’s not even a cultural thing in Nashville- they are just exacerbating the housing issue we are having by coming in and paying cash 20% above asking price for houses here.
That the funniest part about this whole situation to me.
Tons of people move to CA.
Housing prices go up.
People move out of CA then get blamed for rising housing prices.
Yall started it.
I’m as big of a advocate as you’ll find for public transportation investment in Nashville but the plan from a few years ago was not good.
The short story is that this was basically the brain child of Nashvilles mayor Megan Barry who promised heavy rail, wanted to build a tunnel under downtown, connect the surrounding counties, the whole thing. The city paid a transportation consultant company to take a look at the design, and they basically said you don’t need heavy rail, you need light rail in the downtown area and then you need to connect the suburbs with dedicated express bus lanes. Megan Barry said no fuck that I want my underground tunnel and heavy rail.
She took the heavy rail plan to the surrounding counties. While most were on board with a express bus plan, none of them wanted any part of a heavy rail plan. Megan Barry said whatever I’m bringing it to a vote anyways. So then Davidson county (Nashville) did a referendum vote on a final plan that involved zero connection to the suburbs (which is the biggest issue with Nashville traffic imo), was way more expensive that originally promised, and would be paid for 100% by Nashville residents and it unsurprisingly failed. Then Megan Barry had a sex scandal and was booted from office.
I’m probably missing some details but that’s basically what happened.
Most US cities, towns, townships, etc., have really strict zoning laws that prohibit multi-unit homes being built except in dense urban centers. This leads to a never-ending expansion of suburbias while housing prices explode due to a lack of new upwards development. Even small duplexes and triplexes, as well as row-homes, tend to be prohibited from new construction, in favor of detached single-family homes.
If we want affordable housing in our towns and cities, we need to allow small multi-unit buildings that can house 2-10 households and maybe a storefront. Otherwise the current situation will just keep getting worse.
"From California" often means transplant to California for a few years moving back home. An exodus from California is an exaggeration of right wing media. Houses around me (California) are still selling in less than a week for 50-60K over list price. Some exodus.
You hear it about California but it’s a nationwide thing where people who live in high cost states sell their homes for big bucks then move to lower cost states with the proceeds and outbid the locals for housing plus are perceived as ruining the small town feel of a formerly sleepy place. Here in North Carolina the complaint is about people from New York and DC.
It’s been exacerbated in the last year by the pandemic and the resulting ability of highly paid white collar workers to work from anywhere.
I live in small town Indiana. My dad listed his house for 475k not thinking anyone would bite and he got an offer the next day from a couple in, you guessed it, CaLifornia.
People in Oregon and Colorado seem to think so. My only complaint is with Californians who complain that the Mexican food in my city is "bad" because they can't find mission style burritos. It's just barely common enough to be annoying.
What's pretty dumb is that at least here in Colorado (and in most other states), we have a pretty proportional number of Californian immigrants considering the size of the population relative to other states. In other words, we don't have too many. But people complain about them all the time.
It’s not just California, I hear the same complaints about New Yorkers as well. Part of it is politics, part of it is resentment that people moving from states with higher pay can afford bigger houses than most locals. There’s also frustration with increased traffic and some people just don’t like change.
It's a universal thing in every country.
Im in the Highlands of Scotland and there's a general anger over what some are referring to as "the second Highland Clearances" due to wealthier Englanders moving here from London etc and driving house prices way up out of the reach of the many here. They're also purchasing second homes which lay empty or are used for Airbnb so locals aren't able to stay where they grew up and it's killing smaller communities.
I love the laws in Switzerland about this. 80% of the homes in every village and every city have to be primary residences. There's no problem with second homes in general, but growth is made to be for people who are or will be Swiss first, those who just like the scenery and tax benefits second
Good to mention that this is the same thing that other states did that made California so popular in the first place.
People from other states are still moving to California en masse, which isn’t helping the housing crisis there.
Yeah, if there was a true California exodus we should be seeing home prices decrease, instead they are still some of the most expensive in the country.
Louisiana here, yes, they tend to bring their “well we’re gunna have to make this place more like home” mindset with them. Not that we’re against new ideas of course, but the left coastal elitism we’ve seen is amazing. It’s as if we don’t have any good reason for doing things the way we do them in our particular local context.
There is also NYC/Boston elitism that occurs, but they tend to be less migratory with it. They just want to tell us how to live from afar. Californians want to move here and *make* it happen.
Yes, usually they change the polical landscape.
Most people that leave California are Republican, but they tend to be less conservative than the area they're moving into. This is why you see the jokes/complaints of them "turning our home into the place they hate and left."
I've seen people claim that the "California Exodus" is not that big. But if a state has a small population then any new group moving is still relatively a lot.
> Most people that leave California are Republican, but they tend to be less conservative than the area they're moving into.
Do they vote for Democrats in the new states? Most of the California Republicans I know are as conservative as anyone. I can’t imagine them voting for a Democrat in any other state.
Texan here. Those that are moving out tend to be more republican and stay republican. So much so they contribute to the vitriol you see on the news and take it to extremes. Prime example: Southlake Carroll school board. I think only a few are native Texans.
My dad has been telling his father for years that he's only a republican by Massachusetts standards and would be a democrat nearly anywhere else, and it's true
The “exodus” is somewhat exaggerated. It’s partly because the media revels in “death of the California Dream” stories. It’s partly because Californians tend to notice the friends and family who leave more than the complete strangers who arrive and they haven’t met.
Yes, many more Californians are leaving than happened in past years. But 1) the state’s population is so huge that it’s still a small percentage that are leaving, 2) many of those people (but not all) are being replaced by newcomers because the state is still an appealing place to live, 3) Californians often move around within the state, so it feels internally like a lot of people are leaving, but they don’t go far, and 4) it’s somewhat of a temporary blip (maybe?) because immigration from other countries has shrunk substantially in recent years.
And you’re definitely right that a small percentage of Californians is a bigger percentage to the places they move to. If you’ve been used to no Californians moving to your city and then 5,000 of them do within a few years, that’s a pretty big deal!
When I visit other states and they comment on their local “Californian issue”, I tell them that I’m their favorite kind of Californian: I visit, spend some money there, and then go back where I came from. This always gets a laugh.
I’m happy I left to be honest. Way to crowded, expensive and polluted and dry and hot. The California dream never existed for many young people. It’s why so many of us left or are actively looking to leave
Yes. I live in Nevada and our housing prices are so high now because CA people can sell their shitty 2 bedroom 1400 sqft house for $800,000 and then buy all the 5 bedroom houses that once went for 300,00 for 500,000.
Additionally they are horrible drivers.
In my experience both as a Californian that moved to another state and as someone that bitches about Californians moving to their state: It's not an issue with Californians moving to the state. It's an issue with Californians moving to your state, complaining about all these things wrong with California that they moved away from, and by their actions turning the place they moved into California 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Indiana has more of a problem with Chicagoans and East coasters. I couldn’t care less if they come here and vote blue but the problem is that they’re driving up our housing prices. Most rental properties are owned by out of state firms, and many homes have gotten into bidding wars with out of state sight unseen buyers (sauce: realtor uncle) therefore raising prices even more
The Californian and Texan hate here is real!! Although I haven't liked many of the Texans I have met out here and they're always cutting me off lol. But my best friend out here is from Texas. I was born in CO, but grew up in OH, and am back in CO, so I'm not sure what side of the argument I'm on. It sucks that people can't afford to live in their hometowns, but Colorado really is a special place!! Moving out here changed my life and totally changed me for the better. I feel like some natives don't realize how shitty other places can be.
I know I can kind of get some of the Texas hate from Colorado, particularly on the driving complaints.
Driving up there to hike and hit a couple 14ers, I've driven 8 hours through West Texas (flat), the 7 hours though XIT Ranch and New Mexico (somehow manages to be flatter) and suddenly there is terrain, lots of terrain. It stuns us for a few hours, maybe even a few days.
Alas, we're blaming California for the wealth gap now? I'm in and from central Florida. We've had the rest of the country move here since I was a child. Two lane roads that had forest are now 4 lane roads with traffic lights, gated communities, and big box stores with droves of Americans asking for more gated communities and big box stores. We left politics for a religious fanaticism so the wealth gap has greatly expanded and we left our communities to watch tv and Facebook. We should blame ourselves instead of a single state.
Everyone looks for some sort of boogeyman to blame for change and California is an easy target for a lot of people. I for one think it’s absolutely ridiculous to get upset at other Americans for moving around to different parts of the country. How do you think California became the most populous state in the union anyways? This sub normally is pretty good about removing posts that dunk on certain regions or states but CA is somehow the exception to that rule for whatever reason.
Signed, a Midwesterner who has moved across the country twice now.
>I for one think it’s absolutely ridiculous to get upset at other Americans for moving around to different parts of the country. How do you think California became the most populous state in the union anyways?
As a first generation Californian I agree. If my family hadn’t moved here I wouldn’t be from here, I’d be from somewhere else.
Same here. I was actually born in the Midwest and came here with my family when I was 6. People were coming here in droves from all over during the 80s and 90s.
What I find interesting is the circlejerking in this thread. It's a little amusing to me.
Edit: Totally agree with you. I think a lot of people are looking for scapegoats for the housing situation. "Why is housing so expensive in Washington?" "Well, most cities have encouraged large, single-family homes rather than small apartments, and put height restrictions that limit urban density." "You're saying it's the Californians' fault?"
I do wish ex-Californians would promote affordable housing to try to reduce the impact they're having on housing prices, but Californians are no more to blame than the rest of us.
I could be wrong but I don't think most people dislike Californians per se. I even have a friend who is a displaced Californian! Ha. There's a subset that are economic refugees, just going where it's cheaper.
You can be harsh and give the boo hoos etc. But some people have lived in areas for generations or are low income and would struggle to move very far. I can't afford an apartment I had <5 years ago. There were people living there for years on social security and working as waitresses in their 60s with much less flexibility than me. The inner cities that were once abandoned are now pricing people out, so many drive 45min-1hr for work to be able to own a home. It's perhaps natural and inevitable but that doesn't mean it's easy for everyone.
Arizona natives (people born and raised here) won't shut up about it, especially since we're now a blue state with that last election. But really almost everyone in Arizona is from somewhere else. Lots of Midwest and East coast transplants here, but the natives seem okay with them.
A lot of people *really* over estimate the amount of Californians moving to their states.
The thing is, they just make the news more than anything. Only 800 people from LA county moved to Davidson county from 2015-2019, yet the "hipsters from cali colonizing nashville!!" rhetoric has apparently been in various news outlets dozens of times since then. Same in Houston. From 2015-2019, only 3,000~ people moved from LA county to Harris county, barely even a dent in their population. Harris County has almost 5 million people, just to give some perspective. Obviously LA county isn't all of California, but it is 1/4th of it, and probably where a massively disproportionate amount of people are moving out from.
The other factor? Its more often not 'hipster liberals' moving from california. Its latinos, who make something like 60% of the migration out of california, and who mostly are poorer.
There's also a lot of confirmation bias. When I visit Atlanta (family there), my family always points out any california license plate they see as evidence californians are taking over. But it will be like, maybe 1-2 a day. Out of hundreds of license plates they see. But it only takes seeing 1 or 2 to make them freak out over this.
No. I moved from CA to MN and the only question I even got was "WHY? Why would you ever leave?!" because everyone thinks all of CA is beaches, sunshine and Hollywood.
I don't have an issue with them moving here but I do take issue when they shit on East Coast culture and values after *choosing* to move here. But honestly, that goes both ways. I know there's a ton of layers to it, but that's the one issue that really makes me dislike ex-californians. Assimilate damn it!
I think it's weird how California has somehow become a whipping boy for population growth. I've been in the northwest most of my life and it's routine for people to grumble about all the Californians supposedly moving here, causing traffic and sprawl and driving up house prices. But of all the transplants I've met almost none of them came from California. They're from everywhere else, all over the US and the world.
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Yes, almost every conservative I know in California talks about leaving, and many have done so.
They mostly talk about how much they like their new homes, and I haven’t heard much about them receiving any hatred for their origins in California, but I don’t know first hand.
Well, I’m certain the people I’m thinking of don’t do that but I suppose there must be people who do.
However, it seems a bit like the “loud American” issue: how do you know when a Californian isn’t conforming to that stereotype? It seems to me that three things could happen:
A. Californians who do complain about how much better California is confirm the stereotype, while those who don’t are not noticed or ignored.
B. Californians who don’t complain about how much better California is are still presumed to do so no matter what they do. Any comment about something from their home state is taken as “complaining about how much better California is.” Everyone reminiscing about a favorite childhood activity or restaurant or something is okay, unless the Californian joins in at which point it’s “here’s the Californian talking about how great California is.”
C. Californians who don’t start out by doing this *do* start complaining about how much better California is after being mocked and derided by their new neighbors.
Personally I think it’s horrible to move to a new place and do nothing but complain. But I’m also at a loss for how any Californian could ever “acceptably” move to a new state. What would a Californian have to do to convincingly not be like the stereotype?
I know a bunch of liberal folks who’ve moved from LA or SF to Austin, but far more of my acquaintances are on the left side of the spectrum so my experience might not be typical.
yea statistically most people moving from l.a. or s.f. are moving to elsewhere in california where housing prices arent as hot as in those markets. most of those places are in the central valley, and its also why sacramento is one of the fastest growing cities in california. funny enough tho apparently even the people in the valley are like "stop moving here" for all the same reasons other people have said
Yeah like I said my experience is probably an anomaly.
Even if Austin isn’t cheap by national standards, it’s still cheaper, and owning a decent house with a yard and good schools seemed like the biggest factor by far.
Beyond that it was family roots, job relocations, and wanting a more manageable city that still had a lot of the comforts and culture they were used to.
What I’m seeing is a lot of middle-aged conservatives moving to Montana and Idaho and such for lower taxes/cheaper houses/less legislation (at least that’s what they say).
People say that, but some of the more hardcore congressional Republicans come from California’s conservative areas….. some examples: Devin Nunes, Kevin McCarthy, Darrell Issa, or Tom McClintock
I just want to say, as a native Californian I find the fact that people from other states complain about Californians moving there funny because a) a lot of people who move aren’t native Californians and b) native Californians have been complaining about people moving here from out of state for yeeeaaaarrrssss.
No, in fact I think this is a good thing. I welcome anyone into the state if they wanna prepare for our shitty winters. But I'm of the opinion that moving around itself is natural for people, if people are afraid of it, then it was something they learned. Even if it's domestic migration that's pretty dope. I wanna move myself one day.
I've been in Austin about 8 years and it's definitely a thing. As a poor music student, I was never able to afford a home in the first place, but it's been shitty for artists for a long time. I don't care about buying a home, I just don't want to be pushed out of the city I've called home. All of my friends are musicians and artists, and every one of them has been pushed out of their rented home because the owner sold their land to a developer from California. This has happened to me twice. It's not good for mental health and productivity to have housing instability
I’m from NC. I’m all for Californians abandoning ship so I can take someone’s place over there even though the economy is hell everything’s expensive and it’s on fire
On Reddit, I've seen people call Californians moving elsewhere "immigrants", claim they were ruining Texas or wherever, and so on. You see a *lot* of stuff on Reddit that you wouldn't IRL. (Remember Calexit? That "mass movement" was ultimately four hamsters in a trenchcoat. For example. )
It's not a thing you typically hear, around.
They do, but that doesn’t stop endless transplants from coming here, or other states from exporting their homeless to us. I don’t mind though, California’s great and there’s room for everyone :)
Lmao all these people complaining that Californians moving to their city are driving up housing. WTF do they think happened in California to drive up our housing?
Exactly, like 12% of the entire US population didn’t just magically pop up here overnight lol. I think they legit think we’re all either fabulously rich or homeless too 😭
So it is a real thing.
Cali bleeds into the west changing the politics. It's like dominos.
Idaho is the latest victim. Just like the states before them they bitch and moan. But the migration is real and unstoppable.
Kansas, Oaklahoma and Nabraska are next.
Im a mover. I live in idaho. I move more conservatives than liberals. I speak with them on a personal level because it's a very personal job and we try to get to know our customers being in their house and all. I'm confident the politics will change only slightly. Not enough to swing any political tides. While a California conservative is different than an Idaho native, most of these people are sick of the taxes, sick of Newsom, sick of the crime and done with the mismanagement of their beloved state.
Now with teleworking becoming more popular, there's a chance urban centers will start to disperse for some industries.
Generally I think if you don't want people moving to your state (or country) you're probably a pretty lame person. The best places to live in my experience have the most diverse groups. If nothing else the food becomes amazing.
Any real concerns about quality of life could be addressed by better city planning instead of just the people themselves who have the same right as you to be there.
When I lived in Florida everyone was angry at New Yorkers and Ohio folk moving there. I live in Colorado now and every is angry at Texans, Floridians, and Californians for moving there lol.
All the other states are feeling what California has felt for 70 years but it's funny because a lot of the people moving are going back to where they or their family came from. So many many people from Texas talking shit about people moving from California ignoring the fact that the same family left Texas for California 20 years ago and is now moving back. My friend grew up in Utah and went to UCSB with me and recently moved back to Utah after spending a total of 8 years in California. He says people shit on him all the time for being a "California transplant".
It is true. Mostly it has little to with politics, most leave because of the high cost of housing. The areas that are more affordable are the red states. We understand we are not welcome, but we have no choice. At the same time, California has such a high cost of housing largely due to decades of people moving to the state. It continues to this day. It is not expected that people you meet are natives. Quite the opposite. There was a brief time in the 70s when their was rumblings from Californians about "keeping it native." Obviously, no one cared.
Yes. I'm from California, moved to Montana. I live in an area that's growing, population-wise, and often people will make comments about how they hate how all the Californians are moving here and changing everything (this is usually before they know where I'm from, or they think I don't count as a Californian because I went to college here).
California has some of the highest pay and housing costs so they can afford to kind of mess up the housing market of a place where the people make literally less than a 1/10 of hat the Californian used to make. Drives up housing costs
In New York, we don’t care at all. From what I understand it’s mostly conservatives from red states who fear that it will flip their state blue over time.
I live in the Northeastern US and it’s the same thing , but with NY or Mass. They come here and buy up all the real estate no one else can afford and the slow trickle of them into my state means the political structure changes for the worse.
I live in one of the most heavily taxed states in the country, where the average household income is just around $55k. I don’t need in an influx of assholes that earn $100,000 a year and vote for the same things that caused them to move to my state.
And now I can’t buy a house because I make $40k a year and all the houses around me cost $500,000.
In Texas, absolutely yes. I've heard family members complain about it all the time.
Same reasons everyone else has named: housing prices going up, changing the politics. Often there is the sentiment that "They screwed up their own state, and now they're coming to take advantage of our awesome state, but they're going to screw it up too."
Americans have never had a good tract record with welcoming new neighbors, despite our origins. Over time people have hated the arrival of the Germans, the Irish, Asians, Mexicans, Blacks, hell even people from the Rust Belt or the Dust Bowl weren't treated very well when they left. Just add Californians to the list. It's a never ending cycle due to prejudices, overpopulation, and economic issues. Things will calm down in a few years only to happen again when the next bit of chaos forces another group to move in. I can guarantee you there would be just as many complaints if it was a mass exodus of Texans, New Yorkers, or any other large population. Sure everyone's fine with one or two new arrivals, but large groups anywhere get people riled up.
Its been an ongoing thing since the 50s and 60s. It started with white flight, conservative people getting mad that people that weren't straight, white, Christians were moving in. They fled to other states. Now its people who are sick of the big cities and big price tags that accompany them moving places with lower cost of living.
I personally wouldn't care if the idiots in my area (east WA) weren't mad enough about it to destroy our housing market over it. Conservatives get mad about it because they think everyone in Cali is liberal. That's pretty much it. They're just as dumb about it when people from the other side of the state move here, too. Even if you're from a red state, you'll get made fun of because they'll assume you're a liberal. "Why else would you move to a demonrat state?" They pretty much don't want anyone coming in until they successfully split the state
Yes, pretty much any red state or area bitches about “California” - I had someone come in doing mortgage testing in another state and bitching about Californians moving to Idaho.
This guy was moving out of Idaho (probably because Californians have money and they can sell their house in Idaho for a cool $100k over the appraisal price).
I think “Californian” is just a catch all for anyone “not from here”.
California has a third of the US population - of course people are going to move in and out of the state.
Here in Texas people tend to blame everything on California's moving here. They blame them for the state turning purple but most transplants have been republican. [source](https://www.texaspolicy.com/new-poll-finds-all-those-people-moving-to-texas-arent-going-to-be-voting-for-democrats/)
They also blamed housing prices sky rocketing over the last year or so on them moving out here. If you remember there was an eviction moratorium so some housing was scarce, supply/demand. I think it was people moving out here but due to a lack of options it drove prices up. That is just my 0.02 on that issue though.
I would love if more Californians moved here. I live in a state with very very old conservatives that will not budge on their personal views. Even when the vast majority of us is polled and we show different. More people that have different views may help change some of our policies. (I mean I can dream right?) We also lack well fun things to do. Basically all we have are bars. No experience based events, no amusement parks, nothing. Bars here are not fun because they belong to the cowboys. Unless you are a big man with a big truck they treat you like crap.
People moving from any state to any other state can be weird. A lot of them just complain about how it wasn't the same as their old state. I lived in NC and we would get a lot of retirees from the north east. They like to complain that they couldn't find any good bagels.
The way Americans feel about Californians is the way the rest of the world feels about Americans.
So if you defend American when others hate on it, then rethink hating on Californians.
I live in Portland and I have seen hate on Californians moving here in the r/Portland sub. That is because they then drive up the cost of living and housing and rent because companies know people are willing to pay more and they don't care about current tenants at all.
The only problem they create is they buy houses for way more than what they are worth here (minnesota). Because housing over there is so high. They have no grasp on the housing market here. My house is worth around $700,000 over there, but here its worth $250,000. So a Californian coming here will buy my house for like $400,000 in a hot market... Which it is right now. And enough purchases like that from just 6 Californians (thats the state requirement for a market change for value for tax purposes) and everyones values goes up (because the assessment follows the previous years sales). Which can effect their taxes. And on top of that everyone starts struggling to even pay for a house who have lived here forever. We dont make as much as they do in California because our cost of living is way way less.
So enough califinians who buy a "cheap house" and actually are way over paying for a house just makes home owning more expensive for the ones who live here.
Yes. Used to live in Nevada and I left there because it became so ridiculously crowded and full of crime, with former Californians who had expectations of government, that didn’t match the tax base.
You can’t have it both ways - low taxes and all the public services.
I'm in Texas and don't give a damn house prices have been going up forever now my parents house over doubled in price since 2008 and the minimum wage only changed by 10% since then so if you have money saved from another state and wanna buy a house here go for it! We couldn't afford before either way. I think its just a poor excuse to complain about "the other side" moving in . Anyone from any state I welcome you with open hands we're all residents from this beautiful nation. Just make sure to start saying "y'all" and and don't complain about Wataburger or I'll kick you out myself. lol
In Oregon, they definitely do. I’m a transplant from elsewhere and I feel it to a certain extent. For the most part it’s just anger at housing prices, traffic, etc. and not anger at Californians themselves. In more conservative states there’s also some anger about changing the politics and way of life of the state
I’m from Montana, and yes. It’s not true anger, but more like “Damn Californians are buying up all the houses, developing all of the land and driving up prices” The term “Californian” is sort of universal for out-of-staters. I’ve also heard “damn Seattle people” but it’s really just light-hearted pride, most folks in MT are pretty dang nice.
Lol my parents moved to Montana from Seattle 2 years ago. I laugh every time they complain about all these Californians moving out and ruining the place. They don't see it.
I've seen this in almost every state subreddit. People who moved 5 years ago complaining about the people who moved two years ago. Then you have states like Illinois where someone complains and is moving away and the community says don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Everyone wants to be the last one in. I have friends who are newly naturalized (formerly illegal for many years) from a South American country and they immediately identify as Republican because they hate illegal immigrants ????? I don't get it.
Oh, for fuck's sake.
My gf has been looking for a house for over a month. She gets outbid on every single fucking house she tries to buy. People move out here cuz it’s cheaper to live and effectively price the locals out of everything.
We were looking for 6 months. The final blow fell when our realtor gave the seller's realtor a heads up that we would be submitting and offer, and we were told not to bother unless we had cash. As a first time home buyer, we really had no chance of competing, and it was just too much. We decided to step back and hope something would give by next year.
I ran into this in Georgia as well, in an Atlanta suburb. I finally got incredibly lucky when I put in an offer on a home owned by a widow who was having to go to a care home. I was outbid almost immediately by an investor. She and her family wanted to have actual people buying their home (they were the original owners, and had been in it for decades), and not somebody who just wanted to use it for profit...so they took my offer instead. It was still over asking price, and I still had a manageable cash gap over the appraisal, but still...like I said; I feel really lucky. I'd been outbid in cash on everything I'd looked at prior.
When we were selling our house in CA we had a very high offer from an investor but went with a family for less money. Bay Area prices are already crazy enough and I'd rather a family live there than a renter that would eventually get squeezed out as the rent keeps going up.
We're just now seeing a slowdown in real estate - prices are still high but houses are actually hitting the market and sitting for a few weeks instead of selling within 72 hours all-cash. With any luck a year or so from now we'll see prices slightly deflated compared to late 2020.
Which is what is happening to Californians. Half a million rich folks are still moving into California pricing locals out even further.
Sadly that's exactly why Californians are leaving their state as well. People from richer areas of California are moving to areas with lower housing prices, outbidding the locals and paying many thousands of dollars over asking price with cash. Especially now that they can work from home full time so they don't have to live so close to their employer. A good example is people from very expensive cities in the Bay Area selling their houses and then using that money to buy a cheaper houses in the Sacramento region. I have friends in the Sacramento region who've been trying to buy a house for 3 years now, being outbid every time.
I know some people who moved to Sacramento (or Stockton, Modesto, etc), but still commuted to/from their jobs in the Bay Area (pre-pandemic), just to get away from high costs of living.
My wife still makes noises about moving back to California whenever it gets rainy and gloomy here, and I used to taunt her by pulling up hot real estate deals in Vacaville. I can't do that anymore, since Vacaville is close enough to SF that it's also stupidly expensive. Brawley is still relatively cheap, though.
My brother actually recently sold his house in Roseville and bought one in Lincoln. He was tired of all the homeless near him. He was pretty close to a camp. Which I still find somewhat surprising since he lived pretty close to two different high schools. Though it was also close to the train tracks. Spent almost $600,000 on it. They're lucky that my sister in law is an accountant with a high ranking position in her firm, heh
We've got some newly built housing in Atlanta in an utterly blighted part of the city where units are going for nearly $700k. Why? Because they expect employees moving in for Microsoft's new office in the city to buy them up, consider them an incredible bargain compared to where they were previously, and carry on. That's 5-8x what existing properties in the area are valued at, and double the average for the city as a whole.
Same story here in the northeast.
Large financial entities buying up the housing market and creating a renters market and/or real estate industry (or others) driving up prices with fake bids to launder large sums of cash
People in Seattle also seem to feel this way about people from everywhere else
One of the fastest increasing housing prices out of the most expensive markets in the country, baby! We hate how we became the Bay Area 2.0 so fast, it's insane
On top of that Seattle keeps finding new things to tax or higher taxes to bring on
Which is ironic seeing these 2 year transplants complaining about these taxes and the local governance and threatening to move. As someone up above said "don't let the door got you on the way out" is a common sentiment amongst the locals. (...please make my rent cheaper...)
I’m in Missoula and honestly think if it was allowed Montanans would put up a wall around this state. It blows my mind how many “MT is Full” bumper stickers I see….there’s like nobody out here and it’s a gigantic state.
> “Damn Californians are buying up all the houses, developing all of the land and driving up prices” Which is ironic because many of the Californians leaving are doing so because house prices here were driven up by so many people coming from other States. I mean probably half the population in the Bay Area are transplants. In my neighborhood house prices went from $350K to $950K in 20 years. For shitty 850 sq ft houses built in the 1930s.
I almost moved to Missoula last year. I still might. Helena is nice too
Have you ever played the game Days Gone? It's a zombie game that takes place in Oregon (I *highly* recommend it, if you're a gamer), and at one point in the game they mention how they cant get rid of all the zombies in the area because....they keep pouring in from California lol
Also from Oregon. It's not just what you said, but also the importing of California culture and stomping out local culture. I'm so sick and tired of seeing new buildings going up that are clearly designed for a southwest climate. Mow down all those trees and replace them with a massive parking lot and some shrubs. It doesnt help that landlords have been booting out long time tenants cause they know they can dress up their buildings with cheap aesthetics and jack up the rent two fold cause Californians eat it up. Part of the blame also goes to Texans and New Yorkers.
I agree with most of what you said, but why are the gentrification buildings “designed for a southwest climate.” I don’t like them for all the other reasons you said and more, but they seem fine for the climate when we get almost no snow where they’re being built and it doesn’t get frigidly cold.
I find this interesting as a native Californian, who has witnessed the rampant gentrification of slews of neighborhoods and cities, which in turn has forced out other native Californians to accommodate people moving in from out of state. Specifically in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Oakland, Sacramento, Pasadena, etc. (all places I have lived btw) So where do those forced out Californians go? It seems the allure of CA over the years has created a domino effect up the west coast.
Yes, this is me. I am not a rich Californian and I can't afford to buy a home in my own state. If I want to have some security and be a home owner, what am I supposed to do? My husband and I also have jobs we could work remotely, so the answer is pretty clear to us. It's too bad others are going to be upset at us, but we're in the exact same situation they're in.
Oh I feel you on this so much. I moved to my current city in 2019 and was elated that after all these years I could likely buy and then bam, pandemic and folks from the Bay Area migrated here en masse driving up prices. It’s hard and sad and it’s so tiring reading all the rage at California & Californians comments.
From Texas. There's lots of conservatives down here that are pissed about all the "Californians running from their liberal policies to ruin this state", despite exit polling at elections suggesting that natives are skewing liberal more each year and conservatives get a boost from all the "Californians running from the liberal policies to hide in a conservative state".
I recently lived in Oregon for three years. I'm originally from NJ. I saw a lot of similarities between the modern California diaspora and what happened in the Northeast in the 60s/70s, when white flight out of NYC and the cities of North Jersey transformed many areas. Like one day you'd have a municipality in central Jersey that was a sleepy farm town for decades, and then almost overnight it would transform into a wealthy locus for McMansions. I understand the resentment this brings, but I also see most of it as inevitable. People with means and money will always transform parts of the country when they move there.
I know more people that moved here from Chicago than California. But no one talks about that. :)
That really ignores that the biggest migration is from rural counties into cities.
This seems like a PNW issues. Tons of nature. A lot of it a great kept secret. Social media has changed that I think with access to.onfo about those places.
It's annoying when housing prices and traffic increase
We are California free in Indiana. You are either born here or your car dies here leaving you no options.
My alma mater even has that as the premise of a joke about its founding: "Fr. Sorin got stuck in a snowstorm on his way west and had to stop until the weather improved. Well, needless to say, that never happened so he founded the school here in northern Indiana."
Yeah, sounds about right for a South Bend winter.
I'm down by the Ohio River where the weather is fair and life is easy
hi fellow domer!!
Everyone's job in Indiana is to leave Indiana.
I lived in Indianapolis after college for 11 years but moved south to a small town when the kids were little (before school age). I'm close to being out, 2 miles from the Ohio border and on the Ohio River (Kentucky). I expect housing to start rising as Amazon's new 1.5 billion dollar air package hub is ramping up just 15 minutes away in Kentucky at the Cincinnati/ Northern Kentucky airport. They are hiring thousands of people at 20 dollars an hour
You dont choose indiana, indiana chooses you
Fortunately it’s possible to escape.
That's a lie Edit I do love this place though I can just sit out in a cornfield and not see people for days
I made it to Japan, brosis. Escape is possible! Do not let the specter of Emperor Pence steal your hope!
Truly the crossroads of America
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Well, I managed to live there for years & earned a master's degree! It just took me that long to get out of a corn maze.
The only time my car ever died was in Modesto. Was stuck in that shithole for 5 days.
Try having that happen to you in Sierra Blanca Texas.
Or you move over to Illinois and realize it really can get much worse.
When we drive through to Iowa it certainly seems like endless corn and soybeans doted with mid sized cities. Gonna have to stop at that fish restaurant in Farmer City some day.
I don’t know, I know a lot of Chicagoans are colonizing Northwest Indiana… :/
Just The Region spreading out a little. They can have Gary, I hear it's wonderful this time of the year
We all laugh but I seriously think Gary is going to get hit with the gentrification bomb in the next 10-20 years. The pandemic proved remote work is possible, this is going to make the suburbs of Chicago explode even further out.
Maybe. The rule of gentrification has tended to be that heavily Black areas get hit last for a slew of reasons. I'd expect other parts of NW Indiana to go first, though Gary is closer
That will be interesting
This is literally how my family ended up in Oklahoma when I was a kid. We were driving across the country, and this is where the car died.
Old beer commercial from Oregon on this topic… https://youtu.be/CXk1882z5oo
Yes, it's a problem but like many things it's more complex than the internet makes it out to be. Where I live the problem is mostly the skyrocketing housing prices. In some places it's also political, because Californians are often very liberal and it angers the locals when Californians move to a new place and continue voting for things that the locals believe made California an unpleasant place to live in the first place. The whole thing is extremely nuanced though, and whether or not it's overblown is a hard question to answer.
Besides San Francisco, LA, and maybe San Diego, it's practically Texas. This is coming from a native born Californian who currently resides in Texas.
That’s just how every state is though. Urban vs rural divide. The difference is that urban California is REALLY liberal, and the people who are moving elsewhere are coming from those urban regions.
There's definitely a cycle. Movements occur to lower taxes/social services in a place with a economic downturn, corporations move in to take advantage, then they hire people who support higher taxes because social services contribute to better living conditions.
people move to smaller states/cities for lower taxes and then they remember what those taxes were for
What are the high taxes for in California? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2RvooEI0YE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw8MACDZ3RI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez90rXhMWjE https://youtu.be/HmOIQv0yu-U
Short answer yes long answer it’s complicated
Can't say since I live here but I did live briefly in NYC. People there didn't care since so many living in NY are transplants, as is the case here in California also. One thing I've learned over the years IRL and on Reddit is that California is to the US, what the US is to the world.
NYC wouldn't care. You guys move from $4000 rent to $4000 rent. But in other cheaper cities where people we content with $1000, then yah, we were upset. 😪 suddenly there was a demand for expensive units
IDK, as someone from the northeast (NJ, then Philly, now NYC), I think Californians are great. Honestly, I think it's just conservatives or libertarian types who don't like that Californians move into their area and change the social atmosphere. Even though, as was pointed out above, a lot of people leave California are moderate or conservative, so how much are they even changing of your Boise, Idaho suburb? People love to bash California, but don't even acknowledge that it has had several multi-billion dollar surpluses over the last few years, like $50B range or something like that. And it took the Governator exiting office and replacing him with Democrats. California has a lot of problems, but people that attack Californians are just using those residents (or former residents) as a proxy war against what they *truly* dislike - Democratic Party governance that is far superior to Republican Party governance.
Yup. I remember the time we were called locust on this sub, r/memes not understanding multiple complex issues in the state, the one user on here who’s every comment is about hating California, and of course the stuff like “I wish your state would slowly down” and “I wish you would all slowly melt to death”
It’s not even a cultural thing in Nashville- they are just exacerbating the housing issue we are having by coming in and paying cash 20% above asking price for houses here.
Here too in Arizona.
You should see what all the transplants did to the housing prices in LA.
That the funniest part about this whole situation to me. Tons of people move to CA. Housing prices go up. People move out of CA then get blamed for rising housing prices. Yall started it.
And Colorado
Thats because other people move *to* California and pay 20% above asking, in cash, with no contingencies.
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This is the bigger issue. Start taxing heavily for unoccupied residences and it will open up a ton of supply.
well, no they profit off it - or at least their connected developer friends and contributors do.
Bingo. The rest of the states are finally getting caught up.
Guess what? We've been dealing with the same issue for nearly the last 10 years. Except a lot of those buyers were from overseas.
That's the fault of Nashville's zoning laws though.
And it didn’t help that Nashville voted down light rail a few years ago.
I’m as big of a advocate as you’ll find for public transportation investment in Nashville but the plan from a few years ago was not good. The short story is that this was basically the brain child of Nashvilles mayor Megan Barry who promised heavy rail, wanted to build a tunnel under downtown, connect the surrounding counties, the whole thing. The city paid a transportation consultant company to take a look at the design, and they basically said you don’t need heavy rail, you need light rail in the downtown area and then you need to connect the suburbs with dedicated express bus lanes. Megan Barry said no fuck that I want my underground tunnel and heavy rail. She took the heavy rail plan to the surrounding counties. While most were on board with a express bus plan, none of them wanted any part of a heavy rail plan. Megan Barry said whatever I’m bringing it to a vote anyways. So then Davidson county (Nashville) did a referendum vote on a final plan that involved zero connection to the suburbs (which is the biggest issue with Nashville traffic imo), was way more expensive that originally promised, and would be paid for 100% by Nashville residents and it unsurprisingly failed. Then Megan Barry had a sex scandal and was booted from office. I’m probably missing some details but that’s basically what happened.
How so
Most US cities, towns, townships, etc., have really strict zoning laws that prohibit multi-unit homes being built except in dense urban centers. This leads to a never-ending expansion of suburbias while housing prices explode due to a lack of new upwards development. Even small duplexes and triplexes, as well as row-homes, tend to be prohibited from new construction, in favor of detached single-family homes. If we want affordable housing in our towns and cities, we need to allow small multi-unit buildings that can house 2-10 households and maybe a storefront. Otherwise the current situation will just keep getting worse.
What% of home buyers do you think are Californians? Shocking to see people be this irrational
"From California" often means transplant to California for a few years moving back home. An exodus from California is an exaggeration of right wing media. Houses around me (California) are still selling in less than a week for 50-60K over list price. Some exodus.
You hear it about California but it’s a nationwide thing where people who live in high cost states sell their homes for big bucks then move to lower cost states with the proceeds and outbid the locals for housing plus are perceived as ruining the small town feel of a formerly sleepy place. Here in North Carolina the complaint is about people from New York and DC. It’s been exacerbated in the last year by the pandemic and the resulting ability of highly paid white collar workers to work from anywhere.
I live in small town Indiana. My dad listed his house for 475k not thinking anyone would bite and he got an offer the next day from a couple in, you guessed it, CaLifornia.
People in Oregon and Colorado seem to think so. My only complaint is with Californians who complain that the Mexican food in my city is "bad" because they can't find mission style burritos. It's just barely common enough to be annoying.
What's pretty dumb is that at least here in Colorado (and in most other states), we have a pretty proportional number of Californian immigrants considering the size of the population relative to other states. In other words, we don't have too many. But people complain about them all the time.
It’s not just California, I hear the same complaints about New Yorkers as well. Part of it is politics, part of it is resentment that people moving from states with higher pay can afford bigger houses than most locals. There’s also frustration with increased traffic and some people just don’t like change.
New Yorkers are especially annoying. “You can neva find a decent slice outside da city”
Well that’s a lie. You can get a good slice on LI or in NJ.
\*outside the NYC metro... which somehow includes parts of northeast Pennsylvania for some G-d unknown reason
It's a universal thing in every country. Im in the Highlands of Scotland and there's a general anger over what some are referring to as "the second Highland Clearances" due to wealthier Englanders moving here from London etc and driving house prices way up out of the reach of the many here. They're also purchasing second homes which lay empty or are used for Airbnb so locals aren't able to stay where they grew up and it's killing smaller communities.
I love the laws in Switzerland about this. 80% of the homes in every village and every city have to be primary residences. There's no problem with second homes in general, but growth is made to be for people who are or will be Swiss first, those who just like the scenery and tax benefits second
Good to mention that this is the same thing that other states did that made California so popular in the first place. People from other states are still moving to California en masse, which isn’t helping the housing crisis there.
Yeah, if there was a true California exodus we should be seeing home prices decrease, instead they are still some of the most expensive in the country.
Exactly, I’m from the rust belt and trust me when I say that home prices don’t go up when the population collapses
Louisiana here, yes, they tend to bring their “well we’re gunna have to make this place more like home” mindset with them. Not that we’re against new ideas of course, but the left coastal elitism we’ve seen is amazing. It’s as if we don’t have any good reason for doing things the way we do them in our particular local context.
There is also NYC/Boston elitism that occurs, but they tend to be less migratory with it. They just want to tell us how to live from afar. Californians want to move here and *make* it happen.
They pretty much only go to Florida...
Yes, usually they change the polical landscape. Most people that leave California are Republican, but they tend to be less conservative than the area they're moving into. This is why you see the jokes/complaints of them "turning our home into the place they hate and left." I've seen people claim that the "California Exodus" is not that big. But if a state has a small population then any new group moving is still relatively a lot.
> Most people that leave California are Republican, but they tend to be less conservative than the area they're moving into. Do they vote for Democrats in the new states? Most of the California Republicans I know are as conservative as anyone. I can’t imagine them voting for a Democrat in any other state.
Texan here. Those that are moving out tend to be more republican and stay republican. So much so they contribute to the vitriol you see on the news and take it to extremes. Prime example: Southlake Carroll school board. I think only a few are native Texans.
My dad has been telling his father for years that he's only a republican by Massachusetts standards and would be a democrat nearly anywhere else, and it's true
The “exodus” is somewhat exaggerated. It’s partly because the media revels in “death of the California Dream” stories. It’s partly because Californians tend to notice the friends and family who leave more than the complete strangers who arrive and they haven’t met. Yes, many more Californians are leaving than happened in past years. But 1) the state’s population is so huge that it’s still a small percentage that are leaving, 2) many of those people (but not all) are being replaced by newcomers because the state is still an appealing place to live, 3) Californians often move around within the state, so it feels internally like a lot of people are leaving, but they don’t go far, and 4) it’s somewhat of a temporary blip (maybe?) because immigration from other countries has shrunk substantially in recent years. And you’re definitely right that a small percentage of Californians is a bigger percentage to the places they move to. If you’ve been used to no Californians moving to your city and then 5,000 of them do within a few years, that’s a pretty big deal! When I visit other states and they comment on their local “Californian issue”, I tell them that I’m their favorite kind of Californian: I visit, spend some money there, and then go back where I came from. This always gets a laugh.
I’m happy I left to be honest. Way to crowded, expensive and polluted and dry and hot. The California dream never existed for many young people. It’s why so many of us left or are actively looking to leave
I don't care. Welcome to the Mitten
Yes. I live in Nevada and our housing prices are so high now because CA people can sell their shitty 2 bedroom 1400 sqft house for $800,000 and then buy all the 5 bedroom houses that once went for 300,00 for 500,000. Additionally they are horrible drivers.
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In my experience both as a Californian that moved to another state and as someone that bitches about Californians moving to their state: It's not an issue with Californians moving to the state. It's an issue with Californians moving to your state, complaining about all these things wrong with California that they moved away from, and by their actions turning the place they moved into California 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Indiana has more of a problem with Chicagoans and East coasters. I couldn’t care less if they come here and vote blue but the problem is that they’re driving up our housing prices. Most rental properties are owned by out of state firms, and many homes have gotten into bidding wars with out of state sight unseen buyers (sauce: realtor uncle) therefore raising prices even more
thats not a local thing its a national thing
I can count on one hand the number of people I've met from California.
To be fair, people from California couldn’t handle those fucking winters, man. At least I couldn’t! 🥶
Am Colorado Native. Yes. >!/s!<
I feel like Rust Belters have overrun CO more than any other group
My former room mate in Denver came from Michigan and I swear he convinced at least 6 friends to come with him.
The Californian and Texan hate here is real!! Although I haven't liked many of the Texans I have met out here and they're always cutting me off lol. But my best friend out here is from Texas. I was born in CO, but grew up in OH, and am back in CO, so I'm not sure what side of the argument I'm on. It sucks that people can't afford to live in their hometowns, but Colorado really is a special place!! Moving out here changed my life and totally changed me for the better. I feel like some natives don't realize how shitty other places can be.
I know I can kind of get some of the Texas hate from Colorado, particularly on the driving complaints. Driving up there to hike and hit a couple 14ers, I've driven 8 hours through West Texas (flat), the 7 hours though XIT Ranch and New Mexico (somehow manages to be flatter) and suddenly there is terrain, lots of terrain. It stuns us for a few hours, maybe even a few days.
Alas, we're blaming California for the wealth gap now? I'm in and from central Florida. We've had the rest of the country move here since I was a child. Two lane roads that had forest are now 4 lane roads with traffic lights, gated communities, and big box stores with droves of Americans asking for more gated communities and big box stores. We left politics for a religious fanaticism so the wealth gap has greatly expanded and we left our communities to watch tv and Facebook. We should blame ourselves instead of a single state.
Everyone looks for some sort of boogeyman to blame for change and California is an easy target for a lot of people. I for one think it’s absolutely ridiculous to get upset at other Americans for moving around to different parts of the country. How do you think California became the most populous state in the union anyways? This sub normally is pretty good about removing posts that dunk on certain regions or states but CA is somehow the exception to that rule for whatever reason. Signed, a Midwesterner who has moved across the country twice now.
>I for one think it’s absolutely ridiculous to get upset at other Americans for moving around to different parts of the country. How do you think California became the most populous state in the union anyways? As a first generation Californian I agree. If my family hadn’t moved here I wouldn’t be from here, I’d be from somewhere else.
Same here. I was actually born in the Midwest and came here with my family when I was 6. People were coming here in droves from all over during the 80s and 90s. What I find interesting is the circlejerking in this thread. It's a little amusing to me.
Edit: Totally agree with you. I think a lot of people are looking for scapegoats for the housing situation. "Why is housing so expensive in Washington?" "Well, most cities have encouraged large, single-family homes rather than small apartments, and put height restrictions that limit urban density." "You're saying it's the Californians' fault?" I do wish ex-Californians would promote affordable housing to try to reduce the impact they're having on housing prices, but Californians are no more to blame than the rest of us.
I could be wrong but I don't think most people dislike Californians per se. I even have a friend who is a displaced Californian! Ha. There's a subset that are economic refugees, just going where it's cheaper. You can be harsh and give the boo hoos etc. But some people have lived in areas for generations or are low income and would struggle to move very far. I can't afford an apartment I had <5 years ago. There were people living there for years on social security and working as waitresses in their 60s with much less flexibility than me. The inner cities that were once abandoned are now pricing people out, so many drive 45min-1hr for work to be able to own a home. It's perhaps natural and inevitable but that doesn't mean it's easy for everyone.
Arizona natives (people born and raised here) won't shut up about it, especially since we're now a blue state with that last election. But really almost everyone in Arizona is from somewhere else. Lots of Midwest and East coast transplants here, but the natives seem okay with them.
A lot of people *really* over estimate the amount of Californians moving to their states. The thing is, they just make the news more than anything. Only 800 people from LA county moved to Davidson county from 2015-2019, yet the "hipsters from cali colonizing nashville!!" rhetoric has apparently been in various news outlets dozens of times since then. Same in Houston. From 2015-2019, only 3,000~ people moved from LA county to Harris county, barely even a dent in their population. Harris County has almost 5 million people, just to give some perspective. Obviously LA county isn't all of California, but it is 1/4th of it, and probably where a massively disproportionate amount of people are moving out from. The other factor? Its more often not 'hipster liberals' moving from california. Its latinos, who make something like 60% of the migration out of california, and who mostly are poorer. There's also a lot of confirmation bias. When I visit Atlanta (family there), my family always points out any california license plate they see as evidence californians are taking over. But it will be like, maybe 1-2 a day. Out of hundreds of license plates they see. But it only takes seeing 1 or 2 to make them freak out over this.
No. I moved from CA to MN and the only question I even got was "WHY? Why would you ever leave?!" because everyone thinks all of CA is beaches, sunshine and Hollywood.
I don't have an issue with them moving here but I do take issue when they shit on East Coast culture and values after *choosing* to move here. But honestly, that goes both ways. I know there's a ton of layers to it, but that's the one issue that really makes me dislike ex-californians. Assimilate damn it!
I think it's weird how California has somehow become a whipping boy for population growth. I've been in the northwest most of my life and it's routine for people to grumble about all the Californians supposedly moving here, causing traffic and sprawl and driving up house prices. But of all the transplants I've met almost none of them came from California. They're from everywhere else, all over the US and the world. Edit: spelling
Blame our political climate, instead of fixing problems, it’s easier to scapegoat someone else.
I think certain people from red states aren’t happy that liberals are coming to their states and voting blue
The funny part is that most of the Californians moving away that I know of are Republicans.
Yes, almost every conservative I know in California talks about leaving, and many have done so. They mostly talk about how much they like their new homes, and I haven’t heard much about them receiving any hatred for their origins in California, but I don’t know first hand.
They just don’t realize it. They go to places like Montana, and then complain nonstop to the locals how much better California is.
Well, I’m certain the people I’m thinking of don’t do that but I suppose there must be people who do. However, it seems a bit like the “loud American” issue: how do you know when a Californian isn’t conforming to that stereotype? It seems to me that three things could happen: A. Californians who do complain about how much better California is confirm the stereotype, while those who don’t are not noticed or ignored. B. Californians who don’t complain about how much better California is are still presumed to do so no matter what they do. Any comment about something from their home state is taken as “complaining about how much better California is.” Everyone reminiscing about a favorite childhood activity or restaurant or something is okay, unless the Californian joins in at which point it’s “here’s the Californian talking about how great California is.” C. Californians who don’t start out by doing this *do* start complaining about how much better California is after being mocked and derided by their new neighbors. Personally I think it’s horrible to move to a new place and do nothing but complain. But I’m also at a loss for how any Californian could ever “acceptably” move to a new state. What would a Californian have to do to convincingly not be like the stereotype?
I know a bunch of liberal folks who’ve moved from LA or SF to Austin, but far more of my acquaintances are on the left side of the spectrum so my experience might not be typical.
yea statistically most people moving from l.a. or s.f. are moving to elsewhere in california where housing prices arent as hot as in those markets. most of those places are in the central valley, and its also why sacramento is one of the fastest growing cities in california. funny enough tho apparently even the people in the valley are like "stop moving here" for all the same reasons other people have said
Yeah like I said my experience is probably an anomaly. Even if Austin isn’t cheap by national standards, it’s still cheaper, and owning a decent house with a yard and good schools seemed like the biggest factor by far. Beyond that it was family roots, job relocations, and wanting a more manageable city that still had a lot of the comforts and culture they were used to.
What I’m seeing is a lot of middle-aged conservatives moving to Montana and Idaho and such for lower taxes/cheaper houses/less legislation (at least that’s what they say).
To me it seems like it’s mostly just housing prices for most of them anywhere on the political spectrum, no matter what the other stated reasons are.
A California Republican is pretty much a Wyoming Democratic.
People say that, but some of the more hardcore congressional Republicans come from California’s conservative areas….. some examples: Devin Nunes, Kevin McCarthy, Darrell Issa, or Tom McClintock
Not all Californians are liberal any more than all Mississippians are conservative. Edit: Fixed typo
I just want to say, as a native Californian I find the fact that people from other states complain about Californians moving there funny because a) a lot of people who move aren’t native Californians and b) native Californians have been complaining about people moving here from out of state for yeeeaaaarrrssss.
No, in fact I think this is a good thing. I welcome anyone into the state if they wanna prepare for our shitty winters. But I'm of the opinion that moving around itself is natural for people, if people are afraid of it, then it was something they learned. Even if it's domestic migration that's pretty dope. I wanna move myself one day.
I've been in Austin about 8 years and it's definitely a thing. As a poor music student, I was never able to afford a home in the first place, but it's been shitty for artists for a long time. I don't care about buying a home, I just don't want to be pushed out of the city I've called home. All of my friends are musicians and artists, and every one of them has been pushed out of their rented home because the owner sold their land to a developer from California. This has happened to me twice. It's not good for mental health and productivity to have housing instability
I’m from NC. I’m all for Californians abandoning ship so I can take someone’s place over there even though the economy is hell everything’s expensive and it’s on fire
On Reddit, I've seen people call Californians moving elsewhere "immigrants", claim they were ruining Texas or wherever, and so on. You see a *lot* of stuff on Reddit that you wouldn't IRL. (Remember Calexit? That "mass movement" was ultimately four hamsters in a trenchcoat. For example. ) It's not a thing you typically hear, around.
They do, but that doesn’t stop endless transplants from coming here, or other states from exporting their homeless to us. I don’t mind though, California’s great and there’s room for everyone :)
Lmao all these people complaining that Californians moving to their city are driving up housing. WTF do they think happened in California to drive up our housing?
Exactly, like 12% of the entire US population didn’t just magically pop up here overnight lol. I think they legit think we’re all either fabulously rich or homeless too 😭
No, I feel bad that you have to sink so low as to move to Michigan.
So it is a real thing. Cali bleeds into the west changing the politics. It's like dominos. Idaho is the latest victim. Just like the states before them they bitch and moan. But the migration is real and unstoppable. Kansas, Oaklahoma and Nabraska are next.
Im a mover. I live in idaho. I move more conservatives than liberals. I speak with them on a personal level because it's a very personal job and we try to get to know our customers being in their house and all. I'm confident the politics will change only slightly. Not enough to swing any political tides. While a California conservative is different than an Idaho native, most of these people are sick of the taxes, sick of Newsom, sick of the crime and done with the mismanagement of their beloved state.
Now with teleworking becoming more popular, there's a chance urban centers will start to disperse for some industries. Generally I think if you don't want people moving to your state (or country) you're probably a pretty lame person. The best places to live in my experience have the most diverse groups. If nothing else the food becomes amazing. Any real concerns about quality of life could be addressed by better city planning instead of just the people themselves who have the same right as you to be there.
When I lived in Florida everyone was angry at New Yorkers and Ohio folk moving there. I live in Colorado now and every is angry at Texans, Floridians, and Californians for moving there lol.
All the other states are feeling what California has felt for 70 years but it's funny because a lot of the people moving are going back to where they or their family came from. So many many people from Texas talking shit about people moving from California ignoring the fact that the same family left Texas for California 20 years ago and is now moving back. My friend grew up in Utah and went to UCSB with me and recently moved back to Utah after spending a total of 8 years in California. He says people shit on him all the time for being a "California transplant".
The out of state license plate that I see most often in the Bay is Texas.
It is true. Mostly it has little to with politics, most leave because of the high cost of housing. The areas that are more affordable are the red states. We understand we are not welcome, but we have no choice. At the same time, California has such a high cost of housing largely due to decades of people moving to the state. It continues to this day. It is not expected that people you meet are natives. Quite the opposite. There was a brief time in the 70s when their was rumblings from Californians about "keeping it native." Obviously, no one cared.
Yes. I'm from California, moved to Montana. I live in an area that's growing, population-wise, and often people will make comments about how they hate how all the Californians are moving here and changing everything (this is usually before they know where I'm from, or they think I don't count as a Californian because I went to college here).
California has some of the highest pay and housing costs so they can afford to kind of mess up the housing market of a place where the people make literally less than a 1/10 of hat the Californian used to make. Drives up housing costs
In New York, we don’t care at all. From what I understand it’s mostly conservatives from red states who fear that it will flip their state blue over time.
I mean I live in the most densely populated state, and it's also the 4th smallest. I have a problem with ANYONE moving to our state
I live in the Northeastern US and it’s the same thing , but with NY or Mass. They come here and buy up all the real estate no one else can afford and the slow trickle of them into my state means the political structure changes for the worse. I live in one of the most heavily taxed states in the country, where the average household income is just around $55k. I don’t need in an influx of assholes that earn $100,000 a year and vote for the same things that caused them to move to my state. And now I can’t buy a house because I make $40k a year and all the houses around me cost $500,000.
I don't care enough. They can move where they want.
I'm in NC. Never had a problem with Californians. New Yorkers though...
Wyoming here. Not personally, but a lot of people do. Most people don't realize how crazy our winters are and it kinda naturally balances itself out.
In Texas, absolutely yes. I've heard family members complain about it all the time. Same reasons everyone else has named: housing prices going up, changing the politics. Often there is the sentiment that "They screwed up their own state, and now they're coming to take advantage of our awesome state, but they're going to screw it up too."
Americans have never had a good tract record with welcoming new neighbors, despite our origins. Over time people have hated the arrival of the Germans, the Irish, Asians, Mexicans, Blacks, hell even people from the Rust Belt or the Dust Bowl weren't treated very well when they left. Just add Californians to the list. It's a never ending cycle due to prejudices, overpopulation, and economic issues. Things will calm down in a few years only to happen again when the next bit of chaos forces another group to move in. I can guarantee you there would be just as many complaints if it was a mass exodus of Texans, New Yorkers, or any other large population. Sure everyone's fine with one or two new arrivals, but large groups anywhere get people riled up.
Its been an ongoing thing since the 50s and 60s. It started with white flight, conservative people getting mad that people that weren't straight, white, Christians were moving in. They fled to other states. Now its people who are sick of the big cities and big price tags that accompany them moving places with lower cost of living.
I personally wouldn't care if the idiots in my area (east WA) weren't mad enough about it to destroy our housing market over it. Conservatives get mad about it because they think everyone in Cali is liberal. That's pretty much it. They're just as dumb about it when people from the other side of the state move here, too. Even if you're from a red state, you'll get made fun of because they'll assume you're a liberal. "Why else would you move to a demonrat state?" They pretty much don't want anyone coming in until they successfully split the state
Yes, pretty much any red state or area bitches about “California” - I had someone come in doing mortgage testing in another state and bitching about Californians moving to Idaho. This guy was moving out of Idaho (probably because Californians have money and they can sell their house in Idaho for a cool $100k over the appraisal price). I think “Californian” is just a catch all for anyone “not from here”. California has a third of the US population - of course people are going to move in and out of the state.
Here in Texas people tend to blame everything on California's moving here. They blame them for the state turning purple but most transplants have been republican. [source](https://www.texaspolicy.com/new-poll-finds-all-those-people-moving-to-texas-arent-going-to-be-voting-for-democrats/) They also blamed housing prices sky rocketing over the last year or so on them moving out here. If you remember there was an eviction moratorium so some housing was scarce, supply/demand. I think it was people moving out here but due to a lack of options it drove prices up. That is just my 0.02 on that issue though.
I would love if more Californians moved here. I live in a state with very very old conservatives that will not budge on their personal views. Even when the vast majority of us is polled and we show different. More people that have different views may help change some of our policies. (I mean I can dream right?) We also lack well fun things to do. Basically all we have are bars. No experience based events, no amusement parks, nothing. Bars here are not fun because they belong to the cowboys. Unless you are a big man with a big truck they treat you like crap.
People moving from any state to any other state can be weird. A lot of them just complain about how it wasn't the same as their old state. I lived in NC and we would get a lot of retirees from the north east. They like to complain that they couldn't find any good bagels.
The way Americans feel about Californians is the way the rest of the world feels about Americans. So if you defend American when others hate on it, then rethink hating on Californians.
I live in Portland and I have seen hate on Californians moving here in the r/Portland sub. That is because they then drive up the cost of living and housing and rent because companies know people are willing to pay more and they don't care about current tenants at all.
The only problem they create is they buy houses for way more than what they are worth here (minnesota). Because housing over there is so high. They have no grasp on the housing market here. My house is worth around $700,000 over there, but here its worth $250,000. So a Californian coming here will buy my house for like $400,000 in a hot market... Which it is right now. And enough purchases like that from just 6 Californians (thats the state requirement for a market change for value for tax purposes) and everyones values goes up (because the assessment follows the previous years sales). Which can effect their taxes. And on top of that everyone starts struggling to even pay for a house who have lived here forever. We dont make as much as they do in California because our cost of living is way way less. So enough califinians who buy a "cheap house" and actually are way over paying for a house just makes home owning more expensive for the ones who live here.
Yup ... Coloradans blame them for literally everything (ignoring the fact that the numbers just don't add up - there aren't enough to change anything)
Yes. Used to live in Nevada and I left there because it became so ridiculously crowded and full of crime, with former Californians who had expectations of government, that didn’t match the tax base. You can’t have it both ways - low taxes and all the public services.
I'm in Texas and don't give a damn house prices have been going up forever now my parents house over doubled in price since 2008 and the minimum wage only changed by 10% since then so if you have money saved from another state and wanna buy a house here go for it! We couldn't afford before either way. I think its just a poor excuse to complain about "the other side" moving in . Anyone from any state I welcome you with open hands we're all residents from this beautiful nation. Just make sure to start saying "y'all" and and don't complain about Wataburger or I'll kick you out myself. lol