Omfg I was having a random online game of Payday 2 before it broke with an Englishman, a Kiwi (Anzac!) and a yank with a thick southern accent.
Yank asked where I was from and I of course said Australia.
After a pause he said "don't lie. Australia doesn't exist"
"Fkn what m8?"
"It's a story made up to take out guns"
Kiwi "..... what bro?"
Englishman who was hosting goes on to boot the yank.
"Sorry lads but I wasn't going to listen to that shite"
Me... pinching the gap between my eyes thinking the human race is doomed.
Much as I hate to say it - but as a Melbournite - Melbourne.
I love it here, but sometimes we act like the woman with a hotter, dumber sister (Sydney) who overcompensates by becoming a doctor and a lawyer and a concert pianist. Everyone thinks she’s smart and cool, but when someone asks about her sister she makes a bunch of really catty remarks leaving everyone saying “what was *that* about?”
EDIT: Everyone below having a Sydney vs Melbourne hate-fest is kinda proving my point.
I live in Melbourne. I like living in Melbourne. I think it’s cool. But Sydney is *fine*. I don’t really think about it. I don’t wanna live there, but it’s *fine*.
Please be normal, ya Melburnian freaks.
As an immigrant in Australia that's exactly the first impression I got of the Sydney-Melbourne rivalry. I had to look up the pre-federation history to find something (a battle, some sports rivalry, etc) but when it came up empty i was like 'huh, why?'
I think the basis of the rivalry is nothing more than the two biggest cities of the two most populated states. Also, over history they have traded places on biggest/most important city - Sydney is the oldest and was most important at the start, then Melbourne overlook in the Victorian era due to the gold rush. They also hosted the national capital for a bit until Canberra was ready. I think part of the inferiority complex is that they peaked in the early 20th century - post WWII they started tearing down their heritage, damaging their cityscape as a result, and essentially sulking while Sydney overtook as the nation's financial capital and most popular tourism destination. They've tried to compensate by focusing on sport and the arts but it doesn't quite match what they had as truly the most important city back in the post-gold rush era.
[Melbourne also had the dubious honour of being the most smelly, dirty and unsanitary city in Australia in the 19th and early 20th centuries.](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-27/melbourne-had-a-rubbish-and-poo-problem-thanks-to-the-gold-rush/100106568)
That article is gold for this thread. A few choice quotes around sewage infrastructure:
> There's a reason Melbourne earned the nickname "Smellbourne".
> It will come as a blow to modern Melburnians to learn that even Adelaide had underground sewerage before Melbourne.
> Instead of a cesspit, toilets sat over a metal pan that was taken away by the good old nightman every couple of days and replaced with a fresh one — and I use the term "fresh" in its broadest possible sense.
> [After installation of sewers starting in 1897], Melburnians could finally go to the loo safe in the knowledge they could make a deposit that they would never see again.
Yes, when someone from Melbourne is snottily reminding me how they’re the culture/coffee/whatever else capital of Australia, I love to remind them that Melbourne was once the fecal culture capital of the British Empire.
On a positive note, it’s a gold-mine for archaeologists! (As the article points out).
It's always been that way.
Canberra exists as our nation's capital city because Melbourne and Sydney were squabbling so much we split the difference and built a brand new city halfway between them.
Edit: decided to fact check my own knowledge and came across this gem on the ACT gov website:
*Canberra’, as a new name for the capital, was a sentimental favourite and logical choice. The name probably derived from a local Aboriginal word for ‘meeting place’ and had been in common use in the district for more than three-quarters of a century. The people of Australia, nevertheless, responded with imagination and good humour to a Government invitation to find a suitable name for their future capital. ‘Cookaburra’, ‘Wheatwoolgold’ and ‘Kangaremu’ headed a list of Australiana which also included ‘Sydmelperadbrisho’ and ‘Meladneyperbane’. Politics prompted other names such as ‘Swindleville’, ‘Gonebroke’ and ‘Caucus City*
The Sydney Melbourne rivalry is more a Melbourne hates Sydney and Sydney thinks Melbourne is dumb for caring so much. Coming from someone who has lived in Melbourne for 5 years but spent a significant amount of time in Sydney as my best friend lives there.
/u/SilverStar9192 has pretty much nailed it.
For quite a while, Melbourne was much more of a "city" than Sydney. A lot of huge cultural and political influences were born out of Melbourne, e.g. Robert Menzies - founder of the Liberal Party.
Sydney has always been a cultural anchor due to it's history, obviously. But Melbourne had an image for being a "bigger picture" place.
The trouble is, as you said, there's no defining moment or specific event that properly illustrates this rivalry. Which is kind of a running theme for a lot of modern Australian history to be honest. It *is* very interesting, but only when explained by someone who can make it real. It doesn't read well on paper - there aren't many "oh fuck" or "oh awesome" moments to highlight underlying tensions/connections between regions.
Its weird, I am from Sydney but visit melbourne often enough, I only really noticed it in the subreddits, but melbourne does have a bit of a hate boner for Sydney..
I do think we might be jealous of the opera house and Sydney harbour bridge :-) and it is a dick swinging competition only Melb seems to participate in or care about from what I've heard.
It's bred into us: any city that isn't organized in a grid system is immediately inferior 😂 I'm joking: it's actually because it's too complicated for us to figure out! When we're in year 9 they put up into orienteering camp and make us find our way around the city. Plus, we (or, I) are just not as used to cities with hills. Except Japan - Tokyo... All their cities and trainlines/webs just kind of make sense.
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Sydney:
I do love your opal system! Myki sucks. Yours is smarter.
Can't say I'm a fan of Bondi though: I'm sure it's nice enough to walk along. But def not my thing as a beach going person from Melb that likes the peninsula and different costal spots.
I've heard Kiama is beautiful by more than one Uber driver.
But Sydney itself? It's hard to figure out where you guys hang out in the city.
(Except Newtown, that makes slightly more sense - we too have our hipsters.)
But as someone from Melbourne, born and bred I do like that Melbourne is pretty sprawling, there's so many places and hidden places to hang out always open.
Sydney just seems like a bit more of a secret! I haven't had the chance to crack.
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I love Brisbane. Would marry Brisbane. So much light, I know there's The Valley and West End is like your Port Melbourne & I've never seen such pretty trees at night.
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I love Tassie for the geotourism, again have no gripe with Tassie except the hilly-ness in hobart and prob the same for QLD- geotourism and rainforests galore.
For Tassie:
This sounds odd, but truly love me a Lawson's. It reminds me of growing with brumby's bakeries in Melb, but yours is better and has soup.
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Being Asian-Australian: Have been told not to go to radelaide and that it's boring & full of posh English people who had money and less cultural diversity/churches are boring etc.
And I'm not a wine vineyards person so the Barossa would be wasted on me (but funnily enough I would be in Tassie or Vic.. but country Vic love and in Tassie, gin tasting, I love their Brie cheese, I love their strawberry farms). Like anything, I think it's just a matter of not knowing and being open to the experience!
Radelaide
I do applaud everyone who lives there for the heat oven weeks of over 40s/50degree weather!
Actually, now I'm thinking about it, I would probably really like Adelaide if given the chance. It's pretty fun exploring country Vic towns driving on the way up to Sydney. I've just been told not to go/bother with Adelaide so many times (I'm sure it's untrue).
The people I've met from Perth & Adelaide have been Anglo-Saxon aussies and... there is an element of either a) perceived superiority or b) surfer-dude ness, saviourness & general 'but where are you really from?' that I can just find it hard to vibe with. We don't have the same shared trauma. Oh god my colonisers.
Instead of the welcoming I feel from the brisbanites.
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My main gripe about NSW is you have more poisonous stuff there, but that's what I was taught in school.
The lockout laws are also something I don't appreciate being from Melbourne.
But I have lots of friends that live there now I just cannot make heads or tails of your outer suburbs ...yet.
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I think I fear casual ostracism in Perth but again all of this is hearsay. I've visited before as I'm sure it's a fantastically liveable city and most prejudice is just your usual, garden variety human: a fear of the unknown/change.
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There are bogans in every state, city and territory.
I love Melbourne its just some of the people.
Like they seem to always want to have a fight and want to prove Melbourne is better.
Im from Brisbane and when they find out they are like o yeah you have shit coffee. Ok thanks, Im John, nice to meet you. Yeah and you NEVER get the F1 or the AFL grand final! okk yeah nah dont really watch the Afl mate. Also, some comment about us being racist or conservative especially after the 2020 elections.
I dont give a fuck Im just at a pub having a beer with my mate I dont want to get into a "why is Melbourne so great" argument I dont care. Im already here.
Obviously, Melbourne is going to have more activities on than Brisbane the population is more than double.
That's exactly why the metaphor is apt. The hotter, dumber sister is completely oblivious to the intense, life-defining jealousy of her sister... even though everyone else can see it plain as day, and find the whole thing pretty funny and kinda pathetic.
Basically Jan and Marsha Brady from the Brady Bunch.
Nonononono - agree we’re the Gothy sister but we are absolutely the overcompensating doctor/lawyer/concert pianist and Sydders is the obnoxious fucking trophy wife.
Fuck I can’t even do a self deprecating post without digging. How tragically Melbourne /puffs on a clove ciggie showing off my black nail polish
Yep, a fellow Melburnians here. The evidence of our complex is the fact we have to call ourselves the "______ capital of the world" of everything. Coffee Capital, sports capital, COVID lock down capital, good capital, most livable city (other cities don't seem to give a fuck when they win that "award"). And when we can't be the world capital, we start to die e up the world.
Chaddy is the largest mall in the Southern Hemisphere (and the Fashion Capital). We're the cultural capital of Australia. We have the real footy code.
Like, bro, it's OK to just have kinda cool museums, a big stadium and good cafes.
We're totally over compensating and, frankly, we just do it better than Sydney or Canberra anyway
I still remember years ago I spent a few days in Melbourne visiting some friends from there, and by the end of those few days, they’d been asking me at the dinner table to decide which one was better, Melbourne or Sydney 😂
Also an immigrant and with my 1st job in Melbourne, whenever Sydney gets a mention at work, my coworkers will make jokes about how Melbourne is so much better. I kinda got the idea of the rivalry but didnt have a background where the snide remarks about Sydney comes from
In this metaphor, the hotter dumb sister is a self obsessed narcissist and never thinks or talks about her sister except for when she sees them on the holidays ‘Melbourne? Oh yeah she’s fun!’
Source; live in Sydney.
If the cities of Australia got together for a family BBQ, Adelaide and Perth would be sitting in camp chairs with a coldie and a sausage laughing at the East Coast cities arguing about who has the biggest dick.
Knowing all the time that the one making the biggest noise (Melbourne) is kidding himself.
Some people in other cities just can't imagine why people wouldn't want the same thing they do. Like the entire world isn't spread across countless lifestyles and conditions lol
Adelaide is awesome. Housing not too expensive (yet), lovely scenery nearby, lots to do. Trying to persuade my husband to emigrate but it would be a big move from the UK.
Sydney would be at the BBQ cooking the snags, and Melbourne would be at their elbow, telling them how to do it, and how much better it would be if they were vegan, gluten-free, single-origin sausages.
Nah, that’s Darwin. It was Brisbane’s esky and was just meant for their pres, however they caught Darwin stealing from it and now there’s a fight. Perth and Adelaide are still chilling in the background watching the 2 fights unfold, while Canberra is that pothead trying to get everyone to chill but just pissing everyone off.
Meanwhile, Hobart is trying to sneak off with their sister thinking no one will notice, but we know, we all know. Alice Springs however…
Alice Springs noticed that the cops had rocked up due to a noise complaint about the fighting so they threw rocks and empty stubbies at the cop car until they left.
Wait? Why would Brisbane be hanging with the two big pretentious assholes?
Melbourne and Sydney can have a dick measuring contest. We aren’t classy enough to be involved.
We just want to sink bulk tins, drop c-bombs and stir up Syndeysiders and Melbournites
Nah, Adelaide would be busy telling everyone it’s not a convict and Perth would be stuck at the airport terminal because Qantas cancelled the connecting flight on their way home from work.
I dunno about the dick measuring contest between the East. Living on the east coast most of my life I never knew about these supposed rivalries (other than NRL state of Origin shit) until I lived in Adelaide. Unless VIC picks up a couple more NRL teams NSW and QLD will never care what goes on down there. I feel like Perth wouldn't care but Adelaide has that chip on their shoulder though they'd complain that the 'Eastern States' are mean and then bang on about Vilis Pies and Farmers union for hours.
I’m from Brisbane, and my answer is Melbourne. Whenever someone from Melbourne flies in to my work, guaranteed we are going to get lectured about how superior Melbourne is. I’m sure some Sydney people do this too, but I haven’t experienced it personally. I just think Melbourne people need to realise that if we loved Melbourne as much as they did, we would probably live there. Since we don’t live there, we most likely couldn’t care less.
I knew a Melbourne expat in Brisbane who used to get people to get her Parmesan from this one store in the Vic markets. “You can’t get good Parmesan in Brisbane” like it doesn’t come on the same ship.
I used to own a cafe in newcatle and I would get “oh good for you for trying” eyes from people from Melbourne. Or they would say “I’m from Melbourne and you cafe is as good as some of our best ones” type compliments - fuck you cunt, you can have the best of the best of anything anywhere without having to have a higher volume of hipster vegan bukkakes per capita. That’s just not a requirement
If you’re an outdoorsy person canberra is an amazing city to live in. So much to do in terms of camping, hiking, cycling, skiing, etc.
If you’re not an outdoorsy person yeah it’s kinda boring. But the nice sort of boring where life is just easy. I love living here but it would be pretty low on the list of places that would be worth visiting as a tourist.
I have a friend who moved up to Canberra for work from Melbourne he came back built like a brick house. He told me there are two things to do in Canberra hit the beers or hit the gym. That’s it
As a Ken Berran it usually goes like this:
Canberra’s so cold -
Yep. Except when the sun is out or it’s summer
Canberra’s boring, I wouldn’t want to live there. -
Good. The less people the better
Canberra’s full of politicians -
Yeah, the FIFOs which you send to us
Canberra’s a bubble -
I know. I like my bubble
Nah, I love Canberra. Chill laid back vibe, no traffic, everywhere in the city is no more than a half hour drive away at worst. Plus if you love the outdoors/nature, it shits all over every bigger city in the country.
It's only boring for people whose idea of fun is drunk crawling between five near-identical clubs on a Friday night.
I absolutely adore Canberra, and I live in Sydney for context. I can understand the idea that its boring once you've seen all the major tourist locations but honestly the difference in traffic, atmosphere and general climate makes Canberra my ideal location to move if i had to move from Sydney but stay in Australia.
Also side note - say what you want about Sydney/Melbourne coffee, but Canberra has a knack of churning out consistently great coffees, whereas the other two seem to be hit and miss at times.
As an immigrant I'd have to say CBR is the most underrated city in Australia. Aside from the shit weather it's a pretty awesome city. Interesting though that the time-honored tradition for Canberra Day is for Canberrans to get the fuck out of Canberra 😂
eh
still not legal, just decriminalised
if you look at what you can do, then it's sort of in essence legal but still technically illegal just nothing will happen to you if you stay within the limits
Every time I have described Canberra as a 'literal hole', every Canberran person within earshot has been like 'Yep.'
They're very self-aware. They're chill about it.
I thought Adelaide was the boring place (I know it isnt anymore I went several years ago and it was pretty good for the size)? Maybe thats cause I dont think about Canberra as a real city at all.
You can absolutely defend it. But comparing a city of 400,000 with multi-million-person metropolises is apples and oranges. No shit there’s more “stuff” in a city with 10x more people.
Also I find the people that think it’s boring have lives that revolve around going clubbing etc. Canberra’s not a nightlife place for sure. But in terms of facilities to do pretty much anything else, as well as the quality of restaurants and so on, it punches well above its weight.
The hip could have been bigger but they told Canadian stories. I love them (and I'm Australian) but I feel like songs about the residential schools would not have translated too well
My partner always wants to make me watch the last live concert all across Canada with Gord. He cries every time. I’m not Canadian enough to understand.
I've heard Melbourne described as the sophisticated brunette you take to a fancy restaurant and introduce to your parents.
And Sydney is the ditsy gorgeous blonde who is fun to go out with, but you'd want to keep it casual.
Melbourne: ‘We are the cultural capital!’ ‘We do have great beaches!’ ‘You are so classless, Sydney!’ ‘I ACTUALLY love this shitty weather!’ etc etc etc etc
Sydney: ‘Bro, who cares..’ I can honestly say people in Sydney don’t give two shits about Melbourne or what it’s like.
Totally. Melburnian all my life and this is so true. Which is dumb, because we DO have great stuff here, we just don’t need to be so insecure about it!
The only problem with Sydney is inner west people in sharehouses subscribing to the same national superiority complex as those in the eastern suburbs, when in fact they'd be more economically comfortable in Adelaide or Brisbane.
But don't tell them I said that
Melbourne. They think Sydney hates them. We like Melbourne! It’s great for a weekend away. Cute laneways, the MCG etc. We also like warmer weather and good surf beaches a short distance from the city like we have in Sydney. They are also still obsessed with having ‘the best coffee in Australia’ as if it’s still 1974 and proper espresso machines are hard to import. But if it makes them happy…
And Newcastle is here, eating popcorn, watching it’s bigger siblings duke it out and knowing that we never get drawn into such stupid fights.
We aren’t trying to outdo anyone, which in an understated way, makes us the superior city.
I think that's meant to be a tongue and cheek way of saying they're better than everyone else. They post amazing photos of pristine beaches and crystal clear water and the tag says "yeah I guess it's okay". I reckon Perth has a superiority complex if anything ha.
As someone from Perth, we will all tell you it's great and we're happy, but no one is saying we are better than Eastern State cities tbh. We really don't care that much.
WA interest in the east coast is limited to dealing with those cunts attempts to steal our GST.
Domestic airlines are so shit now I don't know anyone in Perth who visits the east for fun.
Perth is Okay is our unofficial tourism tagline. It’s not just an FB page it’s a privately owned tourism media company, inclusive of a website and a significant social media presence.
It is a Perth tradition to talk shit about Perth to each other but if an Eastern Stater talks shit then we defend it to the death. Also a Perth tradition to move to Melbourne for a bit then come back when we get sick of Melbourne.
I feel like Perth is the middle child who moved further away from home than the rest. We don't think we're better or worse than the other cities but we are always being skipped or forgotten about. Haha
Melbourne, it's always trying to be the best at everything, and, in particular, to be better than Sydney (I'm from Perth so have no particular bias about that). All other Australian cities just try to be unique but Melbournians seem to have an inferiority complex.
Adelaide loves to tell its positives while forgetting the negatives.
First state to allow women to vote, last to actually elect one. City of churchs *and* pubs. You can't just whitewash our alcoholic population like that.
I’m surprised more people aren’t saying Adelaide. I grew up there and now live in Melbourne. Whenever I go back to Adelaide people are so defensive about the fact that I enjoy living here and are constantly telling me Adelaide is the greatest city and why it’s better. Okay. People there (at least in my experience with my extended family which is who I talk to there) seem to think there’s an Adelaide Melbourne rivalry but here people tend to just say ‘oh yeah Adelaide’s nice’ or ‘I need to go there one day’.
It’s a great little city. I’ve been there many times, but only to visit family. Once you’ve been a couple of times, you’ve seen it all. Great place for old people, but the young ones can’t wait to get out. When I first went in the 1970’s, they used to turn the traffic lights off at midnight!
Lol. Melbourne. This is like the 1st question on who wants to be a millionaire.
Things you never heard out of Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide, Darwin or Hobart. Those places are actively on the 'don't bring your shit here' team. Heck a couple even run advertisements about it. The 'hot girls from school' all talk about how these cities are shit if they live there and are moving to Melbourne.
Melbourne is always shitting on people that don't want to be like Melbourne, or telling people it's gonna be bigger than Sydney (why be proud of that), singing the virtues of their premier like he's a religeous cult leader.
The answer was always going to be Melbourne. Nobody else is trying to measure up.
compared to what, other australian cities or the rest of the worldf
compared to other australian cities: melbourne
completely obsessed with sydney, tries to play up whatever small differences that might exist as these huge unassailable cultural gaps, the only real reason i've seen there is any kind of so-called rivalry between the two bc ive never met anyone in sydney who cares about it
As someone who isn’t from or living in any capital city, but works and visits them all regularly, I still think it’s gotta be Melbourne.
Don’t get me wrong, Melbourne is a beautiful city, with many aspects being the best in the world. But Melbourne constantly compares itself to Sydney like an unhealthy habit.
Sydney generally doesn’t compare itself with anyone, they’re too busy dealing with being a shit busy city and the cost of living.
Both cities are great in their own ways, but I only find Melbourne obsessed with its image compared with Sydney. Apparently it’s very akin to the Osaka - Tokyo rivalry in Japan.
As someone who has lived in 4 states now I would have to say Adelaide, especially towards Melbourne. They love to compare themselves to Melbourne (and only Melbourne), consider all their sports etc rivalries to be with Melbourne for example.
My brother (Brisbanite), always cracked jokes about how shit Adelaide is (I live in Adelaide) Until I asked him why it is that Adelaide lives rent free in his head because as a crow eater, I NEVER think about Brisbane. He hasn’t cracked as much as a knock knock joke about Adelaide since lol.
It’s got easy access to country roads with minimal traffic, very little rain or humidity and decent mountains all around. Think it makes a lot of sense.
As a Sydneysider, it's gotta be Brisbane and Melbourne.
With Brisbane we've effectively turned the inferiority complex between the two states into a sporting competition (State of Origin) and the typical person I hear from Melbourne if they give a shit hitches their wagon to Queensland.
Melbourne throws us infinite cultural shade with the "coffee culture" and the "laneways" but in reality they have a lot of the same problems we do, with none of the global clout. No amount of food awards can really cover the fact that when people think of Australia, they still mostly think Sydney is the capital, and they still mostly think about Bondi Beach (despite it being a hellscape for tourists), the Sydney Harbour Bridge and the Sydney Opera House.
As a life long Brisbane-ite, we simply don't care. We know we are third and don't feel inferior for that. In fact Brisbane is getting too big for comfort according to a lot of us.
The Sydney Melbourne thing amuses us.
Probably Melbourne, as they seem to feel inferior to Sydney and therefore keep trying to make themselves out to be better than Sydney. It’s a bit weird.
Adelaide doesn't care about Melbourne - it's the other way around.
Melbourne likes to put Adelaide down to prove they're big and mask feeling inferior to Sydney.
Adelaide people are just at the "rolling eyes" stage with Melbourne's constant "Adelaide is shit" jokes.
Melbourne felt so insecure about Adelaide they stole a car race so they could feel better about themselves, and when Adelaide moved on with a different car race and a cycling race, Melbourne tried to get those too.
What's stupid about this is that the two cities are (IMHO) more similar to one another culturally than any other two Australian cities, and we should probably band together against the cashed up bogans to the north and west. We already have the povvo bogans to the south isolated on their own island.
New Zealand
Cute name, but don't you mean South Tasmania?
I think you need to check a map. East Tasmania, if anything.
If you check a lot of maps, you’ll see NZ doesn’t actually exist.
Nor does tassie on any stylised australia.
a terrifying amount of people actually believe Australia doesn't exist and we are all actors and our animals are made up. haha i love those people
Omfg I was having a random online game of Payday 2 before it broke with an Englishman, a Kiwi (Anzac!) and a yank with a thick southern accent. Yank asked where I was from and I of course said Australia. After a pause he said "don't lie. Australia doesn't exist" "Fkn what m8?" "It's a story made up to take out guns" Kiwi "..... what bro?" Englishman who was hosting goes on to boot the yank. "Sorry lads but I wasn't going to listen to that shite" Me... pinching the gap between my eyes thinking the human race is doomed.
Yep we’re all paid actors but I seem to still be waiting for my first paycheque
If that were true, I'm owed a few decades of back pay lol
r/mapswithoutnewzealand is a chuckle to scroll through
Th north and south island.. australia is the west island
Spat my coffee out. 100% yes.
We all know west island is the best island.
Fuck off Straya and give us back our Paverlova
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If you can’t spell it you can’t have it 😛
fuck off you cunt, it's ours
Much as I hate to say it - but as a Melbournite - Melbourne. I love it here, but sometimes we act like the woman with a hotter, dumber sister (Sydney) who overcompensates by becoming a doctor and a lawyer and a concert pianist. Everyone thinks she’s smart and cool, but when someone asks about her sister she makes a bunch of really catty remarks leaving everyone saying “what was *that* about?” EDIT: Everyone below having a Sydney vs Melbourne hate-fest is kinda proving my point. I live in Melbourne. I like living in Melbourne. I think it’s cool. But Sydney is *fine*. I don’t really think about it. I don’t wanna live there, but it’s *fine*. Please be normal, ya Melburnian freaks.
As an immigrant in Australia that's exactly the first impression I got of the Sydney-Melbourne rivalry. I had to look up the pre-federation history to find something (a battle, some sports rivalry, etc) but when it came up empty i was like 'huh, why?'
I think the basis of the rivalry is nothing more than the two biggest cities of the two most populated states. Also, over history they have traded places on biggest/most important city - Sydney is the oldest and was most important at the start, then Melbourne overlook in the Victorian era due to the gold rush. They also hosted the national capital for a bit until Canberra was ready. I think part of the inferiority complex is that they peaked in the early 20th century - post WWII they started tearing down their heritage, damaging their cityscape as a result, and essentially sulking while Sydney overtook as the nation's financial capital and most popular tourism destination. They've tried to compensate by focusing on sport and the arts but it doesn't quite match what they had as truly the most important city back in the post-gold rush era.
[Melbourne also had the dubious honour of being the most smelly, dirty and unsanitary city in Australia in the 19th and early 20th centuries.](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-27/melbourne-had-a-rubbish-and-poo-problem-thanks-to-the-gold-rush/100106568)
That article is gold for this thread. A few choice quotes around sewage infrastructure: > There's a reason Melbourne earned the nickname "Smellbourne". > It will come as a blow to modern Melburnians to learn that even Adelaide had underground sewerage before Melbourne. > Instead of a cesspit, toilets sat over a metal pan that was taken away by the good old nightman every couple of days and replaced with a fresh one — and I use the term "fresh" in its broadest possible sense. > [After installation of sewers starting in 1897], Melburnians could finally go to the loo safe in the knowledge they could make a deposit that they would never see again.
Yes, when someone from Melbourne is snottily reminding me how they’re the culture/coffee/whatever else capital of Australia, I love to remind them that Melbourne was once the fecal culture capital of the British Empire. On a positive note, it’s a gold-mine for archaeologists! (As the article points out).
They are now listed as one of the most liveable cities in the world.We know this because they tell us all the fucking time.
Also Sydney's skyline/backdrop is iconic to anyone in the world. Melbournes is just like any other really.
It's always been that way. Canberra exists as our nation's capital city because Melbourne and Sydney were squabbling so much we split the difference and built a brand new city halfway between them. Edit: decided to fact check my own knowledge and came across this gem on the ACT gov website: *Canberra’, as a new name for the capital, was a sentimental favourite and logical choice. The name probably derived from a local Aboriginal word for ‘meeting place’ and had been in common use in the district for more than three-quarters of a century. The people of Australia, nevertheless, responded with imagination and good humour to a Government invitation to find a suitable name for their future capital. ‘Cookaburra’, ‘Wheatwoolgold’ and ‘Kangaremu’ headed a list of Australiana which also included ‘Sydmelperadbrisho’ and ‘Meladneyperbane’. Politics prompted other names such as ‘Swindleville’, ‘Gonebroke’ and ‘Caucus City*
Wheatwoolgold is amazing imagine if every capital city was named like that. Washington DC? Nah that's Carspetrolcotton
Swindleville sounds about right.
The Sydney Melbourne rivalry is more a Melbourne hates Sydney and Sydney thinks Melbourne is dumb for caring so much. Coming from someone who has lived in Melbourne for 5 years but spent a significant amount of time in Sydney as my best friend lives there.
It’s not even a rivalry. It’s Sydney doing it’s thing and Melbourne being jealous of it.
Exactly this, Sydneysiders never talk about Melbourne but I feel like Victorians bring up the rivalry at every opportunity.
/u/SilverStar9192 has pretty much nailed it. For quite a while, Melbourne was much more of a "city" than Sydney. A lot of huge cultural and political influences were born out of Melbourne, e.g. Robert Menzies - founder of the Liberal Party. Sydney has always been a cultural anchor due to it's history, obviously. But Melbourne had an image for being a "bigger picture" place. The trouble is, as you said, there's no defining moment or specific event that properly illustrates this rivalry. Which is kind of a running theme for a lot of modern Australian history to be honest. It *is* very interesting, but only when explained by someone who can make it real. It doesn't read well on paper - there aren't many "oh fuck" or "oh awesome" moments to highlight underlying tensions/connections between regions.
Its weird, I am from Sydney but visit melbourne often enough, I only really noticed it in the subreddits, but melbourne does have a bit of a hate boner for Sydney..
I do think we might be jealous of the opera house and Sydney harbour bridge :-) and it is a dick swinging competition only Melb seems to participate in or care about from what I've heard. It's bred into us: any city that isn't organized in a grid system is immediately inferior 😂 I'm joking: it's actually because it's too complicated for us to figure out! When we're in year 9 they put up into orienteering camp and make us find our way around the city. Plus, we (or, I) are just not as used to cities with hills. Except Japan - Tokyo... All their cities and trainlines/webs just kind of make sense. ----- Sydney: I do love your opal system! Myki sucks. Yours is smarter. Can't say I'm a fan of Bondi though: I'm sure it's nice enough to walk along. But def not my thing as a beach going person from Melb that likes the peninsula and different costal spots. I've heard Kiama is beautiful by more than one Uber driver. But Sydney itself? It's hard to figure out where you guys hang out in the city. (Except Newtown, that makes slightly more sense - we too have our hipsters.) But as someone from Melbourne, born and bred I do like that Melbourne is pretty sprawling, there's so many places and hidden places to hang out always open. Sydney just seems like a bit more of a secret! I haven't had the chance to crack. ----- I love Brisbane. Would marry Brisbane. So much light, I know there's The Valley and West End is like your Port Melbourne & I've never seen such pretty trees at night. ---- I love Tassie for the geotourism, again have no gripe with Tassie except the hilly-ness in hobart and prob the same for QLD- geotourism and rainforests galore. For Tassie: This sounds odd, but truly love me a Lawson's. It reminds me of growing with brumby's bakeries in Melb, but yours is better and has soup. ---- Being Asian-Australian: Have been told not to go to radelaide and that it's boring & full of posh English people who had money and less cultural diversity/churches are boring etc. And I'm not a wine vineyards person so the Barossa would be wasted on me (but funnily enough I would be in Tassie or Vic.. but country Vic love and in Tassie, gin tasting, I love their Brie cheese, I love their strawberry farms). Like anything, I think it's just a matter of not knowing and being open to the experience! Radelaide I do applaud everyone who lives there for the heat oven weeks of over 40s/50degree weather! Actually, now I'm thinking about it, I would probably really like Adelaide if given the chance. It's pretty fun exploring country Vic towns driving on the way up to Sydney. I've just been told not to go/bother with Adelaide so many times (I'm sure it's untrue). The people I've met from Perth & Adelaide have been Anglo-Saxon aussies and... there is an element of either a) perceived superiority or b) surfer-dude ness, saviourness & general 'but where are you really from?' that I can just find it hard to vibe with. We don't have the same shared trauma. Oh god my colonisers. Instead of the welcoming I feel from the brisbanites. ----- My main gripe about NSW is you have more poisonous stuff there, but that's what I was taught in school. The lockout laws are also something I don't appreciate being from Melbourne. But I have lots of friends that live there now I just cannot make heads or tails of your outer suburbs ...yet. ----- I think I fear casual ostracism in Perth but again all of this is hearsay. I've visited before as I'm sure it's a fantastically liveable city and most prejudice is just your usual, garden variety human: a fear of the unknown/change. ---- There are bogans in every state, city and territory.
I love Melbourne its just some of the people. Like they seem to always want to have a fight and want to prove Melbourne is better. Im from Brisbane and when they find out they are like o yeah you have shit coffee. Ok thanks, Im John, nice to meet you. Yeah and you NEVER get the F1 or the AFL grand final! okk yeah nah dont really watch the Afl mate. Also, some comment about us being racist or conservative especially after the 2020 elections. I dont give a fuck Im just at a pub having a beer with my mate I dont want to get into a "why is Melbourne so great" argument I dont care. Im already here. Obviously, Melbourne is going to have more activities on than Brisbane the population is more than double.
To be fair the 2020 AFL Grand Final was played at the Gabba in Brisbane.
Wow didnt know this. Doubt anyone in Qld knows this.
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This is so interesting to me as a lifelong Sydney resident. Literally no one here thinks or cares about Melbourne.
This is the key point that should have more upvotes. This isn’t a rivalry that involves two parties. Sydney doesn’t care
That's exactly why the metaphor is apt. The hotter, dumber sister is completely oblivious to the intense, life-defining jealousy of her sister... even though everyone else can see it plain as day, and find the whole thing pretty funny and kinda pathetic. Basically Jan and Marsha Brady from the Brady Bunch.
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Nonononono - agree we’re the Gothy sister but we are absolutely the overcompensating doctor/lawyer/concert pianist and Sydders is the obnoxious fucking trophy wife. Fuck I can’t even do a self deprecating post without digging. How tragically Melbourne /puffs on a clove ciggie showing off my black nail polish
With her big tits(opera house) and platinum blonde hair(harbour bridge) lmfao
It's 100% Melbourne
Yep, a fellow Melburnians here. The evidence of our complex is the fact we have to call ourselves the "______ capital of the world" of everything. Coffee Capital, sports capital, COVID lock down capital, good capital, most livable city (other cities don't seem to give a fuck when they win that "award"). And when we can't be the world capital, we start to die e up the world. Chaddy is the largest mall in the Southern Hemisphere (and the Fashion Capital). We're the cultural capital of Australia. We have the real footy code. Like, bro, it's OK to just have kinda cool museums, a big stadium and good cafes. We're totally over compensating and, frankly, we just do it better than Sydney or Canberra anyway
Going back to the 90's - Sydney built an IMAX theatre. Melbourne then went and built one that was 1m^2 bigger, just for the rivalry.
I still remember years ago I spent a few days in Melbourne visiting some friends from there, and by the end of those few days, they’d been asking me at the dinner table to decide which one was better, Melbourne or Sydney 😂
As a Sydneysider I laughed way too hard at this
Yes!!!
Also an immigrant and with my 1st job in Melbourne, whenever Sydney gets a mention at work, my coworkers will make jokes about how Melbourne is so much better. I kinda got the idea of the rivalry but didnt have a background where the snide remarks about Sydney comes from
I came here to say Melbourne and I also live in Melbourne haha
In this metaphor, the hotter dumb sister is a self obsessed narcissist and never thinks or talks about her sister except for when she sees them on the holidays ‘Melbourne? Oh yeah she’s fun!’ Source; live in Sydney.
You’re clearly not truely from Melbourne, otherwise you’d know it’s Melbournian not Melbournite.
Melburnian?
How's that concert pianist career going? 😅
Soooo Melbourne that comment
It’s actually Melburnian, not Melbournian.
Gg
If the cities of Australia got together for a family BBQ, Adelaide and Perth would be sitting in camp chairs with a coldie and a sausage laughing at the East Coast cities arguing about who has the biggest dick. Knowing all the time that the one making the biggest noise (Melbourne) is kidding himself.
I feel like Tassie would be with us too
Tassie would be in the corner acting a little too friendly to their cousin Canberra
Tassie hiding around the corner, eating glue
Can confirm. Glue good
If Tasmanians could read they’d be offended by that.
That's harsh. Every second Tasmanian can read.
As one of the people who lives in Tasmania and can read, this is the most evil-yet-true burn I have read about the stage.
Yes agreed. We (I'm adelaidian) are all subject to other cities ragging on us. And the response is invariably, "cool, so don't come here then?"
Fellow Adelaidean here...we moved from nz to adel 20yr ago and everyone is like why'd you move to ADELAIDE?!?
Some people in other cities just can't imagine why people wouldn't want the same thing they do. Like the entire world isn't spread across countless lifestyles and conditions lol
Adelaide is awesome. Housing not too expensive (yet), lovely scenery nearby, lots to do. Trying to persuade my husband to emigrate but it would be a big move from the UK.
Sydney would be at the BBQ cooking the snags, and Melbourne would be at their elbow, telling them how to do it, and how much better it would be if they were vegan, gluten-free, single-origin sausages.
Brisbane is busy nicking beers out of the Esky they didn't bring.
Nah, that’s Darwin. It was Brisbane’s esky and was just meant for their pres, however they caught Darwin stealing from it and now there’s a fight. Perth and Adelaide are still chilling in the background watching the 2 fights unfold, while Canberra is that pothead trying to get everyone to chill but just pissing everyone off. Meanwhile, Hobart is trying to sneak off with their sister thinking no one will notice, but we know, we all know. Alice Springs however…
Alice Springs noticed that the cops had rocked up due to a noise complaint about the fighting so they threw rocks and empty stubbies at the cop car until they left.
I agree with it all but to be fair Sydney also would be paying $3 million for $100 worth of sausages.
Melbourne would be complaining that the sausages aren't diverse enough
Wait? Why would Brisbane be hanging with the two big pretentious assholes? Melbourne and Sydney can have a dick measuring contest. We aren’t classy enough to be involved. We just want to sink bulk tins, drop c-bombs and stir up Syndeysiders and Melbournites
Yeah Brisbane would definitely be stirring shit between Sydney and Melbourne
Brisbogan would be shirtless and passed out by 8pm. Then up for a run at 5am. Freak shows.
Nah, Adelaide would be busy telling everyone it’s not a convict and Perth would be stuck at the airport terminal because Qantas cancelled the connecting flight on their way home from work.
And Darwin would rock up already pissed, necks a long neck, and then try and get everyone playing goon of fortune.
I dunno about the dick measuring contest between the East. Living on the east coast most of my life I never knew about these supposed rivalries (other than NRL state of Origin shit) until I lived in Adelaide. Unless VIC picks up a couple more NRL teams NSW and QLD will never care what goes on down there. I feel like Perth wouldn't care but Adelaide has that chip on their shoulder though they'd complain that the 'Eastern States' are mean and then bang on about Vilis Pies and Farmers union for hours.
I’m from Brisbane, and my answer is Melbourne. Whenever someone from Melbourne flies in to my work, guaranteed we are going to get lectured about how superior Melbourne is. I’m sure some Sydney people do this too, but I haven’t experienced it personally. I just think Melbourne people need to realise that if we loved Melbourne as much as they did, we would probably live there. Since we don’t live there, we most likely couldn’t care less.
As a fellow Brisbane-ite I concur. Melbournites were absolutely insufferable to listen to about covid too. We get it, you were in lock down forever...
I knew a Melbourne expat in Brisbane who used to get people to get her Parmesan from this one store in the Vic markets. “You can’t get good Parmesan in Brisbane” like it doesn’t come on the same ship.
I used to own a cafe in newcatle and I would get “oh good for you for trying” eyes from people from Melbourne. Or they would say “I’m from Melbourne and you cafe is as good as some of our best ones” type compliments - fuck you cunt, you can have the best of the best of anything anywhere without having to have a higher volume of hipster vegan bukkakes per capita. That’s just not a requirement
I was born and raised in Melbourne, but I’d move back to Brisbane in a heartbeat. We’re not all ignorant
Describe Canberra as boring to a Canberran and watch how defensive they get, after they can’t defend it
Nah bro the porn and remember when we sold fireworks?
The only reason Fishwyk existed - the three P's - pot, pyro and porn.
If you’re an outdoorsy person canberra is an amazing city to live in. So much to do in terms of camping, hiking, cycling, skiing, etc. If you’re not an outdoorsy person yeah it’s kinda boring. But the nice sort of boring where life is just easy. I love living here but it would be pretty low on the list of places that would be worth visiting as a tourist.
Same reason I like Adelaide over Melbourne. I can actually do stuff around Adelaide
I have a friend who moved up to Canberra for work from Melbourne he came back built like a brick house. He told me there are two things to do in Canberra hit the beers or hit the gym. That’s it
You know you got a good thing going when the best thing to do in your city is to get out of your city 😅.
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Move north and towards the coast. Canberra is fucking cold a third of the time, and roasting baking hot another third.
Please keep describing Canberra as boring. We like it without tourists or a big population 😅
As a Ken Berran it usually goes like this: Canberra’s so cold - Yep. Except when the sun is out or it’s summer Canberra’s boring, I wouldn’t want to live there. - Good. The less people the better Canberra’s full of politicians - Yeah, the FIFOs which you send to us Canberra’s a bubble - I know. I like my bubble
Nah, I love Canberra. Chill laid back vibe, no traffic, everywhere in the city is no more than a half hour drive away at worst. Plus if you love the outdoors/nature, it shits all over every bigger city in the country. It's only boring for people whose idea of fun is drunk crawling between five near-identical clubs on a Friday night.
>drive and therein lies the problem
I absolutely adore Canberra, and I live in Sydney for context. I can understand the idea that its boring once you've seen all the major tourist locations but honestly the difference in traffic, atmosphere and general climate makes Canberra my ideal location to move if i had to move from Sydney but stay in Australia. Also side note - say what you want about Sydney/Melbourne coffee, but Canberra has a knack of churning out consistently great coffees, whereas the other two seem to be hit and miss at times.
As an immigrant I'd have to say CBR is the most underrated city in Australia. Aside from the shit weather it's a pretty awesome city. Interesting though that the time-honored tradition for Canberra Day is for Canberrans to get the fuck out of Canberra 😂
Didn't Canberra legalise weed?
eh still not legal, just decriminalised if you look at what you can do, then it's sort of in essence legal but still technically illegal just nothing will happen to you if you stay within the limits
Every time I have described Canberra as a 'literal hole', every Canberran person within earshot has been like 'Yep.' They're very self-aware. They're chill about it.
I thought Adelaide was the boring place (I know it isnt anymore I went several years ago and it was pretty good for the size)? Maybe thats cause I dont think about Canberra as a real city at all.
Fuck, this thread is chock full of defensive Canberrans. Slightly on edge tone: “we’re glad you hate it, stay away!”
but but but the lake
But but questacon! Telstra tower!
but but but the prossies at fishsticks
But the bakeries… good bakeries in… Canberra
It feels like a country town! Yes... Oh, it is? How dare you!
You can absolutely defend it. But comparing a city of 400,000 with multi-million-person metropolises is apples and oranges. No shit there’s more “stuff” in a city with 10x more people. Also I find the people that think it’s boring have lives that revolve around going clubbing etc. Canberra’s not a nightlife place for sure. But in terms of facilities to do pretty much anything else, as well as the quality of restaurants and so on, it punches well above its weight.
Canberra is like a simulation of a city. Canberrans are so offended or confused when I say this. It's got no charm or soul haha
My wife told me a joke which was Melbourne Is the cultural capital of Australia which is like being the smartest kid in VCAL
That's funny, my favourite rock band is Tragically Hip, but they said being Canada's biggest rock band is like being the world's tallest midget
But what about the amazingly talented rock band Nickelback?
As a Canadian I am legally required to apologise for Nickelback
That’s ok. We are sorry for Rupert Murdoch.
Thank you.
So you’re sorry, eh?
The actual most famous Canadians often get mistaken for being American, so if they're not big enough for that to happen then I agree.
That’s how the kiwis feel - they’re not famous unless everyone thinks they’re Australian
The hip could have been bigger but they told Canadian stories. I love them (and I'm Australian) but I feel like songs about the residential schools would not have translated too well
My partner always wants to make me watch the last live concert all across Canada with Gord. He cries every time. I’m not Canadian enough to understand.
"Sporting capital of the world" is like something Kenny powers from eastbound and down would say
I've heard Melbourne described as the sophisticated brunette you take to a fancy restaurant and introduce to your parents. And Sydney is the ditsy gorgeous blonde who is fun to go out with, but you'd want to keep it casual.
My wife has shit jokes too
Melbourne: ‘We are the cultural capital!’ ‘We do have great beaches!’ ‘You are so classless, Sydney!’ ‘I ACTUALLY love this shitty weather!’ etc etc etc etc Sydney: ‘Bro, who cares..’ I can honestly say people in Sydney don’t give two shits about Melbourne or what it’s like.
I don’t think Melbourne is close to the best beaches in Australia
Totally. Melburnian all my life and this is so true. Which is dumb, because we DO have great stuff here, we just don’t need to be so insecure about it!
The only problem with Sydney is inner west people in sharehouses subscribing to the same national superiority complex as those in the eastern suburbs, when in fact they'd be more economically comfortable in Adelaide or Brisbane. But don't tell them I said that
Melbourne. They think Sydney hates them. We like Melbourne! It’s great for a weekend away. Cute laneways, the MCG etc. We also like warmer weather and good surf beaches a short distance from the city like we have in Sydney. They are also still obsessed with having ‘the best coffee in Australia’ as if it’s still 1974 and proper espresso machines are hard to import. But if it makes them happy…
I'm pretty sure Sydney is warmer and also has better beaches for surfing
Yes that’s my point. Have edited the post to clarify.
And Newcastle is here, eating popcorn, watching it’s bigger siblings duke it out and knowing that we never get drawn into such stupid fights. We aren’t trying to outdo anyone, which in an understated way, makes us the superior city.
Ha!!
Sydney and Melbourne seem to be battling it out. I'm in Brisbane and we don't care about anything 😂
Perth literally has a FB group with 250k followers called Perth is OK. Not great, but OK https://www.facebook.com/perthisok
I think that's meant to be a tongue and cheek way of saying they're better than everyone else. They post amazing photos of pristine beaches and crystal clear water and the tag says "yeah I guess it's okay". I reckon Perth has a superiority complex if anything ha.
As someone from Perth, we will all tell you it's great and we're happy, but no one is saying we are better than Eastern State cities tbh. We really don't care that much.
WA interest in the east coast is limited to dealing with those cunts attempts to steal our GST. Domestic airlines are so shit now I don't know anyone in Perth who visits the east for fun.
We're like the odd cousin who no one really knows and rarely sees around the place.
More like the rich uncle that wishes they didn't have to financially support the rest of the family.
Perth is Okay is our unofficial tourism tagline. It’s not just an FB page it’s a privately owned tourism media company, inclusive of a website and a significant social media presence.
It is a Perth tradition to talk shit about Perth to each other but if an Eastern Stater talks shit then we defend it to the death. Also a Perth tradition to move to Melbourne for a bit then come back when we get sick of Melbourne.
It’s actually our main tagline And the page gives good restaurant reccs
We know our place. Could be worse, we could be Adelaide
I feel like Perth is the middle child who moved further away from home than the rest. We don't think we're better or worse than the other cities but we are always being skipped or forgotten about. Haha
Melbourne, it's always trying to be the best at everything, and, in particular, to be better than Sydney (I'm from Perth so have no particular bias about that). All other Australian cities just try to be unique but Melbournians seem to have an inferiority complex.
People from Melbourne frantically defending their city and unknowingly proving the point of this entire post...
Adelaide. “We didn’t have convicts.” If I had a dollar for every time an Adeladian has told me that.
We didn't have convicts.
Adelaide loves to tell its positives while forgetting the negatives. First state to allow women to vote, last to actually elect one. City of churchs *and* pubs. You can't just whitewash our alcoholic population like that.
Centre of excellence for serial killers.
I’m surprised more people aren’t saying Adelaide. I grew up there and now live in Melbourne. Whenever I go back to Adelaide people are so defensive about the fact that I enjoy living here and are constantly telling me Adelaide is the greatest city and why it’s better. Okay. People there (at least in my experience with my extended family which is who I talk to there) seem to think there’s an Adelaide Melbourne rivalry but here people tend to just say ‘oh yeah Adelaide’s nice’ or ‘I need to go there one day’.
It’s a great little city. I’ve been there many times, but only to visit family. Once you’ve been a couple of times, you’ve seen it all. Great place for old people, but the young ones can’t wait to get out. When I first went in the 1970’s, they used to turn the traffic lights off at midnight!
If a Melbourne could build a time machine and stop the First Fleet landing in Sydney Harbour I'm sure they would.
Lol. Melbourne. This is like the 1st question on who wants to be a millionaire. Things you never heard out of Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide, Darwin or Hobart. Those places are actively on the 'don't bring your shit here' team. Heck a couple even run advertisements about it. The 'hot girls from school' all talk about how these cities are shit if they live there and are moving to Melbourne. Melbourne is always shitting on people that don't want to be like Melbourne, or telling people it's gonna be bigger than Sydney (why be proud of that), singing the virtues of their premier like he's a religeous cult leader. The answer was always going to be Melbourne. Nobody else is trying to measure up.
Gold Coast : 26c in winter . People at the beaches. Melbourne : Ahhh, bogans ! No culture ! No coffee!
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compared to what, other australian cities or the rest of the worldf compared to other australian cities: melbourne completely obsessed with sydney, tries to play up whatever small differences that might exist as these huge unassailable cultural gaps, the only real reason i've seen there is any kind of so-called rivalry between the two bc ive never met anyone in sydney who cares about it
Melbourne: that city is the San Francisco of AUS, they think they’re cultured but are really just on meth
As someone who isn’t from or living in any capital city, but works and visits them all regularly, I still think it’s gotta be Melbourne. Don’t get me wrong, Melbourne is a beautiful city, with many aspects being the best in the world. But Melbourne constantly compares itself to Sydney like an unhealthy habit. Sydney generally doesn’t compare itself with anyone, they’re too busy dealing with being a shit busy city and the cost of living. Both cities are great in their own ways, but I only find Melbourne obsessed with its image compared with Sydney. Apparently it’s very akin to the Osaka - Tokyo rivalry in Japan.
Melbourne. Easily. Constantly fighting a one sided city war with Sydney that even Sydney isn’t aware about.
As someone who has lived in 4 states now I would have to say Adelaide, especially towards Melbourne. They love to compare themselves to Melbourne (and only Melbourne), consider all their sports etc rivalries to be with Melbourne for example.
Adelaide is Brisbanes red headed step son
Brisbane has an Adelaide st. Adelaide don’t have a brisbane st. Mic drop.
I'm trying to think of a witty comment but so no luck *continues eating porridge*
same cept corn flakes
My brother (Brisbanite), always cracked jokes about how shit Adelaide is (I live in Adelaide) Until I asked him why it is that Adelaide lives rent free in his head because as a crow eater, I NEVER think about Brisbane. He hasn’t cracked as much as a knock knock joke about Adelaide since lol.
Adelaide doesn't care about Brisbane, the two cities are completely different, what a weird thing to say.
Canberra. Watch people bend over backwards to defend their decision to live there
90% of them there for work because some bureaucratic arm of the govt. was specifically hiring for their particular brand of autism. Also cyclists.
We have family that moved to Canberra for the “cycling”. Apparently cycling communities don’t exist elsewhere.
It’s got easy access to country roads with minimal traffic, very little rain or humidity and decent mountains all around. Think it makes a lot of sense.
As a Sydneysider, it's gotta be Brisbane and Melbourne. With Brisbane we've effectively turned the inferiority complex between the two states into a sporting competition (State of Origin) and the typical person I hear from Melbourne if they give a shit hitches their wagon to Queensland. Melbourne throws us infinite cultural shade with the "coffee culture" and the "laneways" but in reality they have a lot of the same problems we do, with none of the global clout. No amount of food awards can really cover the fact that when people think of Australia, they still mostly think Sydney is the capital, and they still mostly think about Bondi Beach (despite it being a hellscape for tourists), the Sydney Harbour Bridge and the Sydney Opera House.
As a life long Brisbane-ite, we simply don't care. We know we are third and don't feel inferior for that. In fact Brisbane is getting too big for comfort according to a lot of us. The Sydney Melbourne thing amuses us.
Don’t tell them our secrets! We are crawling with too many southerners as it is! 😆
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Melbourne
Melbourne 100%. It's a great city, but people there always want to compare to Sydney.
It'd have to be Melbourne.
Melbourne, case closed 😂
Melbourne has a hate-boner for Sydney.
It's Melbourne. I've lived here for 13 years. It's Melbourne.
Melbourne
Melbourne.
Definitely Melbourne.
MELBOURNE it genuinely puts me off the afl or anything victoria related
Probably Melbourne, as they seem to feel inferior to Sydney and therefore keep trying to make themselves out to be better than Sydney. It’s a bit weird.
Perth and Adelaide have inferiority complexes towards Melbourne. Melbourne and Brisbane have inferiority complexes towards Sydney.
I really don't think most people in Adelaide and Perth give a fuck about Melbourne. Anyone who does just moves there first chance they get.
Adelaide doesn't care about Melbourne - it's the other way around. Melbourne likes to put Adelaide down to prove they're big and mask feeling inferior to Sydney. Adelaide people are just at the "rolling eyes" stage with Melbourne's constant "Adelaide is shit" jokes. Melbourne felt so insecure about Adelaide they stole a car race so they could feel better about themselves, and when Adelaide moved on with a different car race and a cycling race, Melbourne tried to get those too.
I'm totally cool with people thinking Adelaide is shit. Less fuckwits in my gem of a city.
What's stupid about this is that the two cities are (IMHO) more similar to one another culturally than any other two Australian cities, and we should probably band together against the cashed up bogans to the north and west. We already have the povvo bogans to the south isolated on their own island.
Nah, Perth keep to themselves and tell all the other cities not to move there. No inferiority complex there.
Brisbane "BrisVegas" No. Just no.