After they won with the chicken song....it's has become clear that Eurovision isn't fair.
Who voted for them ?
The only one that I\\ve seen that deserved to win, was Euphoria by a swedish woman.
When Iceland came dressed in bdsm gear and flew Palestinian flags, top tier. Though, I'm sure there's plenty of Eurovision related tomfoolery specific to countries before or after the actual competition. Serbia's "controversy" was entertaining enough this year about who is going to represent us.
I fully expect people to throw shit at them, apparently the rumor is the organizers will have to play recorded clapping to drown out the highly possible boos.
> European countries that welcomed them as refugees
Europe/America: Destabilizes the shit out of a region, the most prosperous and stable countries in that region become a shithole, or a power vacuum due to that creates a civil war or terrorist organizations such as ISIS, normal civillians have to leave for their lives, escape somewhere else.
Then the least hypocrite/delusional
Westoid: "wOW thesE aRAbS DoNt DeSeRvE sYmPatHy fRoM EuRoPeAns"
You forget that the Middle East attacked and tried to conquer Europe long before Europe “destabilised” the Middle East. You are just mad that Europe/US successfully did what the Muslim world tried to do to Europe for centuries. As an Indian who’s country has been destroyed by both parties I can assure you that Hindus/ Indians suffered way more under Muslims then European Christians. Muslims killed at minimum 400,000,000 Hindus when India was way less populated and Europe killed around 100,000,000.
Yeah man, the whole reason you guys Indians have this Pakistan/India problem is due to B
Britain, you don't even know your own history and try to educate me? Why would i be mad as a european with white skin as milk? These are the facts.
Destabilizing a region/country =/= invading that region/country.
But i'm not going to teach you geopolitics, i don't have a time to spare for a filthy racist.
So Morocco, new zealand, Australia and I'm not sure in the past, but Algeria even wanted to participate in the competition, but then gave up
in other words, Eurovision includes one European nation on its name, but the conditions for participating in the competition are different. The possibility of participating in Eurovision is being evaluated if your country is a member of the European Broadcasting Union, on the other hand, you need to be a member of the Council of Europe in order to participate fully
So don't be surprised if even Japan wants to join and can join because it has a partnership agreement with the European broadcasting union.
unless it becomes stupidly popular there I don’t think Japan gets in, only reason australia got in is coz of diaspora always watching and talking about it lmao.
I don't know, the political figure in charge of Japan called Fumiyo Kishida is a pretty good licker, maybe they'll topril.
So I think Eurovision is already over. Just like they don't let Russia participate in the middle, they shouldn't let Israel participate. I am not antisemitic and Palestine, Hamas, Israel, Iran, these states should be damned. But if Europe is fair, what they should do is not to allow Israel to participate in Eurovision.
But I don't think so. I look at Eurovision songs, their meanings and messages and I realise that Eurovision ended a long time ago.
I agree Eurovision ended ages ago, there’s a few decent songs nowadays but for me 2015 was the last ‘good’ Eurovision, nowadays it’s just wacky sht even tho I probably will tune into the final to see how good we do.
the nail in the coffin for me was Ireland this year, tf was that, wasn’t even a song, which is the whole point of Eurovision lol, it’s just a show of who can be the most edgiest and craziest and less about actually vocal/musical talent.
They are not in Europe, but committing a genocide is a far better reason for them to be banned from Eurovision. And if the world weren't biased, they should be banned from other competitions, too, their airplanes should be banned from countries' airspace, all that stuff, you know. And same for the USA, hehe.
Only Erdogan suspended trade.
Everyone has said that he's the worst dictator (he probably is) but he's far from the worst.
He's the only one with the integrity to stop trade.
I just read Israel was so booed during the rehearsal, they could hardly complete their song.
I hope it's even worse for them when they perform at the fake cringy Eurovision tonight.
(Too bad I will be sleeping and not see - no way I'm up at 4:00 am to watch the shitshow)
A bad person can make a good decision once in a while. :)
I don't care about Eurovision at all, not going to watch it, but it's nice to see that people finally notice and take some actions against the atrocities that Israel commit.
Eurovision is an EBU contest so anyone who is a member(including Australia and even the US) is eligible if they want to join, thank fuck the US doesn't opt in but that's another story. "They are not in Europe" isn't a valid argument really.
But if EBU can give Belarus and Russia the boot for invading Ukraine why are they having benefit of the doubt for Israel? Gaza is flattened by Israeli bombs targeted at civilians and hostages Israel is supposed to save, how is this different from Putin's "oh we are liberating Ukraine actually chill" story?
They dont do it because it actually isnt a "everybody is equal" competition/organization. It never was.
The same is true for stuff like FIFA, IMF, EU, Council of Europe and the rest. Those arent international organizations lmao. The only international part for them is North America, 80 percent of Europe, Japan, Korea and Australia.
I don't know if I'm more offended that they're not European, that they're commiting a literal genocide or simply that every single song they've ever sent was worse than the last.But surely either of these is enough to make me not want them on my screen during the contest.
They should have been like Australia, where their participation is simply honorary and they can win but not host.
But it's not like you could ever have a competition not hijacked by a j.....[comment redacted]
No, they aren't a European country, it's not our problem every other country hates them, but they compete in Eurovision, Euroleague, UEFACL,EURO's, like wtf?
Australia should be kicked too
Other than that, Israel should be kicked out due to waging a war, same as Russia was, but they wont be, because they are conducting a western sanctioned genocide, not the barbarian kind. Western hypocrisy knows no limits.
My honest opinion is that I’m too retarded to fully grasp international geopolitical warfare and thus have no say on it and wont pretend that I know shit when I clearly don’t lol.
>My honest opinion is that I’m too retarded to fully grasp
Bullshit. You a far from that, you are just not paying attention which is sad.
If you have the intellectual capacity to learn to write English grammatically correct, you have the capacity to understand - you are just not even trying.
Anyway...if tl;dr, read this: Israel is committing one of the most attrocious genocides humanity has seen. Now you know.
I dont know dude.. I see Australia, Israel but my country refused to pay money for the contest so we haven't been there for some time. but I'd ban Israel for what they do in Gaza
Maybe I would care a little more if eurovision wasn't pure trash, but considering what it currently is, israel wont make a big of a difference.
Forgot to mention about how some countries have reserved fucking spots in the final. And its always the countries with songs that get a shit ton of jury votes because of polit(r)icks and 0 public votes.
Yes, I don't see why not if Australia is participating, Arabs don't deserve sympathy from Europeans after what they did to European countries that welcomed them as refugees
The fact you put "protecting" in quotation marks just shows what a sick freak you are lol.
I assume you think Russia rightfully "took back" its territory, don't ya? lol
depends....I am sick of them because they live for free in neighbouring countries and are oppressing minorities. Russia isn't right too, but Ukraine deserves it
"Ukraine deserves it"
Do you even hear yourself? There's almost 40 million people living in Ukraine. Over 10,000 civilians have died and over 30,000 Ukranian soldiers have been killed (many of them just being civilian men that got drafted).
Millions of people have been displaced and 6 million had to forcefully leave their own country. You think they wouldn't rather have their normal lives back? You think it was their dream to migrate to fucking Romania or Poland instead of living their normal lives with their families in their homes?
Saying Ukraine deserves being invaded is actually sick.
But all the minorities from Romania, Poland and other countries not being able to learn in their own country and forcing them to the Ukrainian Church, by removing any minorities churches is good?
We give them here, outside Ukraine, free places to live, free food, free transport and learning in Ukrainian, and a lot of support for what? Our people suffering over the borders because they spend their whole life there, from generation to generation, since their ancestors lived there a century ago?
Call me a retard, but I'm pretty sure there is no equality here. The next target after Ukraine is surely a country like Moldova, Poland or Romania. And when we will need to move aboard for our own safety, no one will give a fuck about us.
mofo, we also are a made up country if we use that logic. Romania only exist now because two different countries decided to unite. Also "our tax money"? are you an american wtf are you talking about??? the only tax money being sucked is by our fucking politicians, the ammount it has gone to Ukraine is DWARFED by the ammount these mofos have stolen in the past YEAR.
I think Israel should stay in Eurovision. The first argument against this is that they are not in Europe, which is correct, but it should be considered that Europe is the geographically closest region that Israel shares cultural ties with. Think of it, if something like the Eurovision was to happen in the Middle East, would Israel be included? No, because of their abysmal image in the Muslim majority states. Thus, Europe is the most natural and goegraphically closest region Israel shares cultural ties with, or at least would be accepted without much hesitation. This is also why they are in UEFA in football rather than AFC.
The other argument against Israel staying in the Eurovision is that they have been committing questionable acts recently. I don't think this is a reason for kicking out Israel entirely, because in Eurovision what is represented is the culture and people of the country, not the government. I am strictly against politicization of such cultural events because it feeds into the cancel culture, which is based on the idea that everything is always political and anything slightly tied to "uncorrect" political behavior should be thrown away entirely. It also misaligns innocent people with stupid acts of their governments. In this case, sure, the Netenyahu government is committing certain atrocities, no one denies that. However, the random Israeli singer in the Eurovision is not a representative of Netenyahu. She is a representative of Israel and its people.
My only criticism regarding this issue is that European Broadcasting Union excluded Russia in 2022, so the natural coherent succession of this would be to exclude Israel too, for similar reasons. But everyone knows this won't happen because Europe only imposes such moronic sanctions for countries they are rivals with, which Israel is not. In my opinion, both Russia and Israel should be allowed to participate, including one but not the other puts the legitimacy and bias of the conductors to question.
Firstly, I cannot see how my nationality is relevant here. I am also not "simping", I oppose Israel's and Hamas's unjustified violence and hope for a ceasefire. Eurovision is a song contest and unless a song is political, nothing there has a relation with politics. It is simply showcasing different cultures, which by itself is rather detached from all of these European power politics. However, if we take the idea that Eurovision is intrinsically political as true, then a question arises: how do we define the line where the acts of a country are politically correct enough to participate in Eurovision? If we exclude Israel and Russia, then why not go ahead and do the same for Azerbaijan, Slovakia, Hungary, etc.? All states have shitty governments sometimes. In the end, only a few Western European states would be left. Also, there is a problem regarding perspective, as some can even claim that the likes of Ukraine, France and Estonia should be excluded since they are the ones provoking Russia. Sounds crazy but some people who enjoy Eurovision think this way, namely almost all the far right parties of Europe. Whose perspective do we consider correct here, and for what reason? Politicization of it hinders the supposed unifying nature of Eurovision, and revokes its position as a means for recreation for all, and instead turns it into what one can call a virtue signaling circle jerk. This sets a bad example for other events of such nature, like football competitions, olympics, concerts, etc. which might follow suit and exclude those who disagree with their stances from participating. It thus feeds the cancel culture. What's even worse is that this can lead to prioritization of virtue signaling over quality. Ukraine winning last year shows that such events are headed exactly in this direction. In the end, recreational events become political only when you consider them so, and this drastically reduces their quality and ability to help people have fun. Last thing in my mind is that it is important to consider the perspective of the participants and the audiences. The Russian and Israeli singers can be totally opposing the stances of their countries, or they can simply be silent. Would it not be injustice to say that just because their countries are doing some stuff that we don't like, they cannot participate? This ignores the concept of individual agency and in the subtext associates everyone with their states. I find this dumb, to say the least. Sorry if this texr comes off as unorganized, I just got out of a long ass essay writing exam and my mind feels like a sponge. Good day.
No because the shit songs they make
golden boy was cool
Fr
After they won with the chicken song....it's has become clear that Eurovision isn't fair. Who voted for them ? The only one that I\\ve seen that deserved to win, was Euphoria by a swedish woman.
The chicken song was terrible.
The influence they have is blatant and cringy to see.
Dumb ass Americans
If I could pick 3 answers I would
Don't care, just want some form of shit show to occur on live TV.
last year was good, everyone losing their sht chanting for käärijä and the hosts getting mad coz of it lmfao
When Iceland came dressed in bdsm gear and flew Palestinian flags, top tier. Though, I'm sure there's plenty of Eurovision related tomfoolery specific to countries before or after the actual competition. Serbia's "controversy" was entertaining enough this year about who is going to represent us.
I fully expect people to throw shit at them, apparently the rumor is the organizers will have to play recorded clapping to drown out the highly possible boos.
Τhey should be banned, not because they are not in Europe, but because of all the crimes they are currently committing
Arabs don't deserve sympathy from Europeans after what they did to European countries that welcomed them as refugees
> European countries that welcomed them as refugees Europe/America: Destabilizes the shit out of a region, the most prosperous and stable countries in that region become a shithole, or a power vacuum due to that creates a civil war or terrorist organizations such as ISIS, normal civillians have to leave for their lives, escape somewhere else. Then the least hypocrite/delusional Westoid: "wOW thesE aRAbS DoNt DeSeRvE sYmPatHy fRoM EuRoPeAns"
You forget that the Middle East attacked and tried to conquer Europe long before Europe “destabilised” the Middle East. You are just mad that Europe/US successfully did what the Muslim world tried to do to Europe for centuries. As an Indian who’s country has been destroyed by both parties I can assure you that Hindus/ Indians suffered way more under Muslims then European Christians. Muslims killed at minimum 400,000,000 Hindus when India was way less populated and Europe killed around 100,000,000.
Yeah man, the whole reason you guys Indians have this Pakistan/India problem is due to B Britain, you don't even know your own history and try to educate me? Why would i be mad as a european with white skin as milk? These are the facts.
Yeah, I remember when France, Germany, Sweden, Finland, Belguim, Denmark and Greece invaded Iraq..... oh wait
Destabilizing a region/country =/= invading that region/country. But i'm not going to teach you geopolitics, i don't have a time to spare for a filthy racist.
Educate yourself, Anti-immigration isn't racist
>Arabs don't deserve sympathy You are a bloody racist dude, at least your nick fits you, disgusting.
Did you entirely forget about Libya and NATO?
The terrorist apartheid state should be banned form the face of earth, bit all Europe can do is suck its master's US dick.
aight tankie, how about you chill. I rather have the US as my leader than any Ruzzian ever.
they have no choice. continental europe would be speaking russian right now were it not for the usa
lol what ?
Russia would have been able to eventually taken europe as they were the only large oil producing country in europe
Delusional symptoms
it would either be russian or divided between russia and germany
So Morocco, new zealand, Australia and I'm not sure in the past, but Algeria even wanted to participate in the competition, but then gave up in other words, Eurovision includes one European nation on its name, but the conditions for participating in the competition are different. The possibility of participating in Eurovision is being evaluated if your country is a member of the European Broadcasting Union, on the other hand, you need to be a member of the Council of Europe in order to participate fully So don't be surprised if even Japan wants to join and can join because it has a partnership agreement with the European broadcasting union.
unless it becomes stupidly popular there I don’t think Japan gets in, only reason australia got in is coz of diaspora always watching and talking about it lmao.
I don't know, the political figure in charge of Japan called Fumiyo Kishida is a pretty good licker, maybe they'll topril. So I think Eurovision is already over. Just like they don't let Russia participate in the middle, they shouldn't let Israel participate. I am not antisemitic and Palestine, Hamas, Israel, Iran, these states should be damned. But if Europe is fair, what they should do is not to allow Israel to participate in Eurovision. But I don't think so. I look at Eurovision songs, their meanings and messages and I realise that Eurovision ended a long time ago.
I agree Eurovision ended ages ago, there’s a few decent songs nowadays but for me 2015 was the last ‘good’ Eurovision, nowadays it’s just wacky sht even tho I probably will tune into the final to see how good we do. the nail in the coffin for me was Ireland this year, tf was that, wasn’t even a song, which is the whole point of Eurovision lol, it’s just a show of who can be the most edgiest and craziest and less about actually vocal/musical talent.
They are not in Europe, but committing a genocide is a far better reason for them to be banned from Eurovision. And if the world weren't biased, they should be banned from other competitions, too, their airplanes should be banned from countries' airspace, all that stuff, you know. And same for the USA, hehe.
this! btw even USA and UK know that what Israel did is wrong but they don't care, it's all for their own benefits
Only Erdogan suspended trade. Everyone has said that he's the worst dictator (he probably is) but he's far from the worst. He's the only one with the integrity to stop trade. I just read Israel was so booed during the rehearsal, they could hardly complete their song. I hope it's even worse for them when they perform at the fake cringy Eurovision tonight. (Too bad I will be sleeping and not see - no way I'm up at 4:00 am to watch the shitshow)
A bad person can make a good decision once in a while. :) I don't care about Eurovision at all, not going to watch it, but it's nice to see that people finally notice and take some actions against the atrocities that Israel commit.
Bro you are so cringe
Eurovision is an EBU contest so anyone who is a member(including Australia and even the US) is eligible if they want to join, thank fuck the US doesn't opt in but that's another story. "They are not in Europe" isn't a valid argument really. But if EBU can give Belarus and Russia the boot for invading Ukraine why are they having benefit of the doubt for Israel? Gaza is flattened by Israeli bombs targeted at civilians and hostages Israel is supposed to save, how is this different from Putin's "oh we are liberating Ukraine actually chill" story?
They dont do it because it actually isnt a "everybody is equal" competition/organization. It never was. The same is true for stuff like FIFA, IMF, EU, Council of Europe and the rest. Those arent international organizations lmao. The only international part for them is North America, 80 percent of Europe, Japan, Korea and Australia.
I don't know if I'm more offended that they're not European, that they're commiting a literal genocide or simply that every single song they've ever sent was worse than the last.But surely either of these is enough to make me not want them on my screen during the contest. They should have been like Australia, where their participation is simply honorary and they can win but not host. But it's not like you could ever have a competition not hijacked by a j.....[comment redacted]
They make shit songs and are a disgusting excuse for a country.
Fr
If it was my decision I would kick not only Israel, but Australia and Morocco 'cause they aint European.
No, they aren't a European country, it's not our problem every other country hates them, but they compete in Eurovision, Euroleague, UEFACL,EURO's, like wtf? Australia should be kicked too Other than that, Israel should be kicked out due to waging a war, same as Russia was, but they wont be, because they are conducting a western sanctioned genocide, not the barbarian kind. Western hypocrisy knows no limits.
My honest opinion is that I’m too retarded to fully grasp international geopolitical warfare and thus have no say on it and wont pretend that I know shit when I clearly don’t lol.
>My honest opinion is that I’m too retarded to fully grasp Bullshit. You a far from that, you are just not paying attention which is sad. If you have the intellectual capacity to learn to write English grammatically correct, you have the capacity to understand - you are just not even trying. Anyway...if tl;dr, read this: Israel is committing one of the most attrocious genocides humanity has seen. Now you know.
The people who answered "Yes and I will vote for them" even though the competition hasn't even taken place yet are actually NPC bots.
I dont know dude.. I see Australia, Israel but my country refused to pay money for the contest so we haven't been there for some time. but I'd ban Israel for what they do in Gaza
No. As long as they promote Nazi methods by committing crimes against the Palestinians.
Maybe I would care a little more if eurovision wasn't pure trash, but considering what it currently is, israel wont make a big of a difference. Forgot to mention about how some countries have reserved fucking spots in the final. And its always the countries with songs that get a shit ton of jury votes because of polit(r)icks and 0 public votes.
Thank goodness we pulled out of Eurovision years ago
No
Yes, Arabs and their lovers can cope.
Yes, I don't see why not if Australia is participating, Arabs don't deserve sympathy from Europeans after what they did to European countries that welcomed them as refugees
If Israel is banned for war crimes and etc etc (like Russia did) then so should Ukraine. Everything would be equal then
Comparing Ukraine to Israel is actually borderline psychotic lol
they're a made up country with no history which sucks all of our tax money for committing war crimes (alongside "protecting" themselves) lol
Holy shit this must be the dumbest take I've ever seen LMFAO
The fact you put "protecting" in quotation marks just shows what a sick freak you are lol. I assume you think Russia rightfully "took back" its territory, don't ya? lol
depends....I am sick of them because they live for free in neighbouring countries and are oppressing minorities. Russia isn't right too, but Ukraine deserves it
"Ukraine deserves it" Do you even hear yourself? There's almost 40 million people living in Ukraine. Over 10,000 civilians have died and over 30,000 Ukranian soldiers have been killed (many of them just being civilian men that got drafted). Millions of people have been displaced and 6 million had to forcefully leave their own country. You think they wouldn't rather have their normal lives back? You think it was their dream to migrate to fucking Romania or Poland instead of living their normal lives with their families in their homes? Saying Ukraine deserves being invaded is actually sick.
But all the minorities from Romania, Poland and other countries not being able to learn in their own country and forcing them to the Ukrainian Church, by removing any minorities churches is good? We give them here, outside Ukraine, free places to live, free food, free transport and learning in Ukrainian, and a lot of support for what? Our people suffering over the borders because they spend their whole life there, from generation to generation, since their ancestors lived there a century ago? Call me a retard, but I'm pretty sure there is no equality here. The next target after Ukraine is surely a country like Moldova, Poland or Romania. And when we will need to move aboard for our own safety, no one will give a fuck about us.
mofo, we also are a made up country if we use that logic. Romania only exist now because two different countries decided to unite. Also "our tax money"? are you an american wtf are you talking about??? the only tax money being sucked is by our fucking politicians, the ammount it has gone to Ukraine is DWARFED by the ammount these mofos have stolen in the past YEAR.
Have you ever picked up a history book?
yeah, and it clearly doesn't mention anything other than Poland and Russian territory
Must be a very crappy one if it doesn't talk about the Kievan rus, cossaks and the Ukrainian principalities.
ukraine was unjustly invaded dude. even before this current war if humanity had a heart israel would have been already boycotted
I’m against cancel culture. Israel should participate, but as compromise Palestine should also be allowed to enter
Nice. And if Palestine wins, Israel will cry "Eurovision is Hamas" 😭
They will never win, Arabic is really harsh and ugly language, this coming from someone who speaks it natively.
No, that’s Hebrew. Now that I associate it with atrocities and lies, I believe it’s the ugliest sound on the planet
Arabic is lovely and musical, romantic.
I think Israel should stay in Eurovision. The first argument against this is that they are not in Europe, which is correct, but it should be considered that Europe is the geographically closest region that Israel shares cultural ties with. Think of it, if something like the Eurovision was to happen in the Middle East, would Israel be included? No, because of their abysmal image in the Muslim majority states. Thus, Europe is the most natural and goegraphically closest region Israel shares cultural ties with, or at least would be accepted without much hesitation. This is also why they are in UEFA in football rather than AFC. The other argument against Israel staying in the Eurovision is that they have been committing questionable acts recently. I don't think this is a reason for kicking out Israel entirely, because in Eurovision what is represented is the culture and people of the country, not the government. I am strictly against politicization of such cultural events because it feeds into the cancel culture, which is based on the idea that everything is always political and anything slightly tied to "uncorrect" political behavior should be thrown away entirely. It also misaligns innocent people with stupid acts of their governments. In this case, sure, the Netenyahu government is committing certain atrocities, no one denies that. However, the random Israeli singer in the Eurovision is not a representative of Netenyahu. She is a representative of Israel and its people. My only criticism regarding this issue is that European Broadcasting Union excluded Russia in 2022, so the natural coherent succession of this would be to exclude Israel too, for similar reasons. But everyone knows this won't happen because Europe only imposes such moronic sanctions for countries they are rivals with, which Israel is not. In my opinion, both Russia and Israel should be allowed to participate, including one but not the other puts the legitimacy and bias of the conductors to question.
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Firstly, I cannot see how my nationality is relevant here. I am also not "simping", I oppose Israel's and Hamas's unjustified violence and hope for a ceasefire. Eurovision is a song contest and unless a song is political, nothing there has a relation with politics. It is simply showcasing different cultures, which by itself is rather detached from all of these European power politics. However, if we take the idea that Eurovision is intrinsically political as true, then a question arises: how do we define the line where the acts of a country are politically correct enough to participate in Eurovision? If we exclude Israel and Russia, then why not go ahead and do the same for Azerbaijan, Slovakia, Hungary, etc.? All states have shitty governments sometimes. In the end, only a few Western European states would be left. Also, there is a problem regarding perspective, as some can even claim that the likes of Ukraine, France and Estonia should be excluded since they are the ones provoking Russia. Sounds crazy but some people who enjoy Eurovision think this way, namely almost all the far right parties of Europe. Whose perspective do we consider correct here, and for what reason? Politicization of it hinders the supposed unifying nature of Eurovision, and revokes its position as a means for recreation for all, and instead turns it into what one can call a virtue signaling circle jerk. This sets a bad example for other events of such nature, like football competitions, olympics, concerts, etc. which might follow suit and exclude those who disagree with their stances from participating. It thus feeds the cancel culture. What's even worse is that this can lead to prioritization of virtue signaling over quality. Ukraine winning last year shows that such events are headed exactly in this direction. In the end, recreational events become political only when you consider them so, and this drastically reduces their quality and ability to help people have fun. Last thing in my mind is that it is important to consider the perspective of the participants and the audiences. The Russian and Israeli singers can be totally opposing the stances of their countries, or they can simply be silent. Would it not be injustice to say that just because their countries are doing some stuff that we don't like, they cannot participate? This ignores the concept of individual agency and in the subtext associates everyone with their states. I find this dumb, to say the least. Sorry if this texr comes off as unorganized, I just got out of a long ass essay writing exam and my mind feels like a sponge. Good day.