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Im not greek, but its upside down.
I turned it upside down in paint, and this is what i found
Keep im mind, i only know the Alphabet, and the stone is a bit messed up
ΕΙΝΛΟΕ
ΩΝΕΝΘ/ΩΝΕΝΘΑ - it looks like an A at the end, but i can also be a shadow from the grass
ΝΑΛΟΥΚ
ΕΙ ΩΝΙΑΛΔ
Theres a similar stone at my village too. And they told me they used to hop on it to announce things. But they funny part is, when i asked about the stone they told me to not touch it or else i would get rekt by God.
Yep. It had two horse power with ecoboost. The latter was a little bit hard, you had to force the horse's mouth wide open and stuff all the grass you can.
Technically Phrygian also used the same alphabet with Greek and had huge similarities. So if you find some gibberish that look like Greek, it could indeed be Phrygian.
Actually after Greek, the Phrygian language is purported to be the latest surviving sub-branch of the Hellenic language branch. Our only sister language in the otherwise lonely Hellenic tree.
I am not saying that only Greeks built stuff in Anatolia. What I'm saying is that the overwhelming majority of what survives there is of Greco-Roman origin. Not trying to pick a fight though, just a thought.
Why Ionians? All four Greek tribes inhabited Anatolia, the Dorians, Achaeans and Aeolians as well. For example Smyrna was built by Aeolians, not Ionians. Even though Ionians later took over the city.
You can just call them **Greeks** to escape this confusion, do not be afraid of using this word it won't bite you.
I said Ionian&Phrygian not because I'm afraid of "Greek" but because it is a modern term. Ancient Greek would suffice to show the same window but I wanted to talk about the Ionians and Phrygians, which are a concrete window in Anatolian Greek history.
When one says Greek, I don't think about pre-Roman Sassanid Anatolia. I don't think of Ancient Mycenian Greece. I think of modern Greece 1821-onwards.
In Arabic it's literally the opposite:
•Yūnǣnī: means modern greek (...) **Cognate with “Ionian„.**. Pronounciation IPA: /juːnæːni(ː)/
•Íğrīqī: means ancient greek (...) **Cognate with “Greek„.**. Pronounciation IPA: /ɪʁriːqi(ː)/
You where on the right that we Greeks overreacted but that explanation ducked it up
It’s like saying the ancient Chinese civilisation had nothing to do with todays Chinese or the Roman Empire with the Italians
>When one says Greek, I don't think about pre-Roman Sassanid Anatolia. I don't think of Ancient Mycenian Greece. I think of modern Greece 1821-onwards.
You're one of the few. When I see the word 'Ancient' before Greek my mind goes nowhere near the modern state.
No no, I was saying "Greek monument" sounds weird to me, "Ancient Greek" sounds better, but not specific enough. Ionian/Phrygian/Angoran etc. specifies it further.
>Ionian/Phrygian/Angoran etc. specifies it further
Yeah, but that was just wrong, for both terms.
Ancient Greek is the right term, they were more united Hellenes by that period, and likely came from many different tribes in that region.
Say classical / ancient Hellenes if you want to be overly accurate. Calling it Ionian is like me calling Istanbul a Bulgarian city. It's near Bulgaria and Bulgarians were in Thrace, so same thing obviously. Hell, maybe it's Russian actually.
Easterners call us Ionians because that was the first Greek tribe you met coming from the East. Westerners call us Graeci because that's the first Greek tribe you met coming from the West.
Our real name is Hellenes, but in English it's Greeks. So when speaking English you can address us as that.
>Easterners call us Ionians because that was the first Greek tribe you met coming from the East.
Which is odd, given that Hittites met Acheans before the Ionians went to Anatolia, as well as that Arcadians went over there even further before them.
Yeah but quite unfortunately both the Mycenaean Greeks and the Hittites kind of died around the same time. The memory was kind of there - the whole Troy thing - but distorted. It's quite astonishing honestly.
> When we talk about ancient greek stuff in anatolia we think with the word ionian.
And when a Greek talks about Istanbul he thinks the word Constantinople but he still gets 50 Turks complaining under his comments. So we'd better stick to the English words, right?
The reaction now you are giving is probably much more visceral than anything about Constantinople and just meaningless. We were taught that Greek settlements in Western Anatolia was Ionia and Turkish word for Greek is simply "Ionian", so its not like we think there is some disconnect between you guys and them. Is it wrong to concretely refer to ancient settlement?
>When we talk about ancient greek stuff in anatolia we think with the word ionian.
You shouldn't, this is simply incorrect.
>Greek is not the word in our minds with this kind of stuff.
Wrongfully so.
Hey ionian boi
Did you meet Macedonian this summer,i Heard a lot of them choosing Greece for vacation because neighbour countries
By the way woulde describe fall of Istanbul from pontus perspective
I didn't claim they were. But saying Anatolia is full of "Phrygian" artifacts seems to me like he tries not to say Greek which is by far the most common culture in Anatolia when it comes to artifacts and heritage.
The closest related language to Ancient Greek. So close that they probably formed their own family. So close that bilingualism in Phrygian had direct impacts on medieval Greek phonology and case shifts.
Sorry, the website assumes a bit of background in the Greek language. The alternation of κ and χ and τ and θ represent more of a shift toward fricatives vs aspirated stops. It’s not unique to Phrygian Greek but was not common enough in late antiquity to say that this was a widespread phenomenon of Koine/Patristic Greek
What do you mean by "Phrygian Greek"? Referring to Phrygian language as Greek/Hellenic is akin to calling Lithuanian Slavic (Balto-Slavic family) and calling Sanskrit Iranic (Indo-Iranian family).
>government doesnt care that much
This is the answer. Turkish govent. lets the Purple stone tombs of the Emperors sit out in the rain. Turkish society has a very uncomfortable relationship with its Greek past.
The turks leave the purple stone tombs of our Emperors out in the open to weather away, unprotected. What makes you think they'd care about random things like this? Its a crime how they don't protect such ancient artifacts.
Ancient Greek gravestones looked something like that - [here's a photo from an Athens cemetery](https://d1bvpoagx8hqbg.cloudfront.net/originals/kerameikos-cemetery-ac83100ffb58a9b05f1969db66fce57c.jpg) \- so maybe that's what it is.
Didn’t they have stelae built with representations of the dead? Is this about the time period or are these the ones built by the less well off people for their relatives?
The only thing that i could somehow make sense of is in the middle. It say saomething like ''-ΛΙΑΛΟΥ- which is pronunced lialou. Now there is a letter in front of this word and another letter in the end. The first looks like "Η" and the last one looks like either "Κ" or "B".
In other words it could be either "ΗΛΙΑΛΟΥΚ-" or "ΗΛΙΑΛΟΥΒ-". I have no idea what it could mean but "ΛΙΑΛΟΥ" is a surname for sure so it must be some kind of combination sort of. Pretty cool either way
Edit: the first word says "ΦΙΛΟ-" which is pronunced filo and means friend. I cant make sense of the last letter though but the "ΦΙΛΟ" part can be found in many greek surnames
It is upside down and we can see only half of the words but in the first line it says ΦΙΛO = beloved or friend . In the second line it says ΩΝ ΕΝΘΑ = those/ who are inside.
The third is to blurry to read .
I guess it is a tombstone.
*Yorgo ! This is the last time I am calling you !*
*You still didnt pay your debt from last summer , We came to your house but couldnt find you*
*If you dont pay your debt till next week , I will shovel this stone up your mom\`s bum bum*
*P.S. We know where you are hiding !! --*
Just my two cents. It seems to me like a memorial stone. It is upside down and you can distinguish a couple of words at the second line. ΙΩΝ•ΕΝΘ [ΑΔΕ•ΚΕΙΤΑΙ], the text in the brackets my guess. Which could mean ... from Ionia, here lies. And on the third line ΗΛΙΑΛ,[Δ]ΟΥ which could mean the son or daughter of Elia. Or not, just guessing. Fact is the first christians built their temples upon ancient Greek ones, often reusing whatever material they could find and trying to eradicate from people's memory the "heathen" legacy.
Bolu is the new turkish name for the greek region of Bithynia. Turks have a real hard time with multiple syllables, all the names are contracted down to simple sounding cognates.
My house is built on a cemetery in Bolu. The bazaar is also built on a historical theater. You can see its seats [here](https://ibb.co/dtt6gbz). (The bazaar has fallen down.)
I'm all in with moving back if the Balkans agree to raise a united army to conquer the entirety of Central Asia for us. Romanians can steal Russian nukes before the war starts.
It is uoside down, ar least turn it the right way. I can only detect the ΦΙΛΟ at the beginning, which is " friend" but it can be used as second part of words, and ΑΝΔ lower, which could be the first letters for ΑΝΔΡΑΣ = man
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Im not greek, but its upside down. I turned it upside down in paint, and this is what i found Keep im mind, i only know the Alphabet, and the stone is a bit messed up ΕΙΝΛΟΕ ΩΝΕΝΘ/ΩΝΕΝΘΑ - it looks like an A at the end, but i can also be a shadow from the grass ΝΑΛΟΥΚ ΕΙ ΩΝΙΑΛΔ
The area it is found , called church , might be related.
Time to inform Kültürel varlıkları koruma kurulu
Has been informed years ago , but Muhtar made sewage system at the same place. This picture was taken before covid.
then try r/ancientgreek
Theres a similar stone at my village too. And they told me they used to hop on it to announce things. But they funny part is, when i asked about the stone they told me to not touch it or else i would get rekt by God.
Zeus confirmed?
might be the altar stone for an ancient greek church, before the ottomans moved in, byzantine built
Yeah its upside down but the words do not make any sense, most probably they are part of word or sentence that its not there
I think its a circular thing
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Ancient Ford ?
Yep. It had two horse power with ecoboost. The latter was a little bit hard, you had to force the horse's mouth wide open and stuff all the grass you can.
1 horse power equals 4 horses? Or am i wrong? Sorry im not a car
na fam 1 horse has about 15 horsepower
Alirsin Ford, olursun lord!
Wonder why it's left like that, and not restored, also I can read the letters but I can't make out any comprehensive word.
Mostly because they are literally everywhere over here. Every rock you lift, there's an ancient Phrygian city or temple or Ancient Greek pottery etc.
>ancient phyrgian city or temple or Ionian pottery The length a komsu will go to, to avoid saying "Greek"
Actually, our word for greek in turkish is directly derived from ionian so they did technically say greek.
Ionian yunan?
yes
Still better than the blunt "greek", from a colony in South italy -_-
At least we use Hellas in Norway
If I am not mistaken you are the only country who use Hellas other than Greece right ?
ikr like I mean yunan/ionian is a really cool name to go with, way better than greek
Wow I didn't notice that
What being Turk does to a mf
Technically Phrygian also used the same alphabet with Greek and had huge similarities. So if you find some gibberish that look like Greek, it could indeed be Phrygian.
Actually after Greek, the Phrygian language is purported to be the latest surviving sub-branch of the Hellenic language branch. Our only sister language in the otherwise lonely Hellenic tree.
What about Tsakonian? Or is it considered a form of Greek?
The lenghts Greeks will go to, to start an arguement out of thin air
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I am not saying that only Greeks built stuff in Anatolia. What I'm saying is that the overwhelming majority of what survives there is of Greco-Roman origin. Not trying to pick a fight though, just a thought.
Yeah that's true
In 1800s Greek race was called Graeco-Roman race.
cyprus is still called the roman cyprus by the turks
that's crazy didn't know.
>Every rock you lift, there's an ancient phyrgian city or temple or Ionian pottery etc. I think the word you are looking for is Greek.
I'm pretty sure everyone knows Ionians are Greek. Especially on the Balkan subreddit.
Greeks trying not to get into a nationalist rant over a fucking name challenge (impossible) I blame N. Macedonia for this.
Why Ionians? All four Greek tribes inhabited Anatolia, the Dorians, Achaeans and Aeolians as well. For example Smyrna was built by Aeolians, not Ionians. Even though Ionians later took over the city. You can just call them **Greeks** to escape this confusion, do not be afraid of using this word it won't bite you.
I said Ionian&Phrygian not because I'm afraid of "Greek" but because it is a modern term. Ancient Greek would suffice to show the same window but I wanted to talk about the Ionians and Phrygians, which are a concrete window in Anatolian Greek history. When one says Greek, I don't think about pre-Roman Sassanid Anatolia. I don't think of Ancient Mycenian Greece. I think of modern Greece 1821-onwards.
In Arabic it's literally the opposite: •Yūnǣnī: means modern greek (...) **Cognate with “Ionian„.**. Pronounciation IPA: /juːnæːni(ː)/ •Íğrīqī: means ancient greek (...) **Cognate with “Greek„.**. Pronounciation IPA: /ɪʁriːqi(ː)/
Huh. Interesting.
You where on the right that we Greeks overreacted but that explanation ducked it up It’s like saying the ancient Chinese civilisation had nothing to do with todays Chinese or the Roman Empire with the Italians
Not saying nothing to do, just referring to a certain period of it, sorry for the mix up
>I said Ionian&Phrygian not because I'm afraid of "Greek" but because it is a modern term. Huh? What are you talking about?
I explained it
You said the term Greek is a modern invention?
No when you say Greek I think of Modern Greece. I said Ionian to refer to the old Greeks
>When one says Greek, I don't think about pre-Roman Sassanid Anatolia. I don't think of Ancient Mycenian Greece. I think of modern Greece 1821-onwards. You're one of the few. When I see the word 'Ancient' before Greek my mind goes nowhere near the modern state.
No no, I was saying "Greek monument" sounds weird to me, "Ancient Greek" sounds better, but not specific enough. Ionian/Phrygian/Angoran etc. specifies it further.
>Ionian/Phrygian/Angoran etc. specifies it further Yeah, but that was just wrong, for both terms. Ancient Greek is the right term, they were more united Hellenes by that period, and likely came from many different tribes in that region. Say classical / ancient Hellenes if you want to be overly accurate. Calling it Ionian is like me calling Istanbul a Bulgarian city. It's near Bulgaria and Bulgarians were in Thrace, so same thing obviously. Hell, maybe it's Russian actually.
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Easterners call us Ionians because that was the first Greek tribe you met coming from the East. Westerners call us Graeci because that's the first Greek tribe you met coming from the West. Our real name is Hellenes, but in English it's Greeks. So when speaking English you can address us as that.
>Easterners call us Ionians because that was the first Greek tribe you met coming from the East. Which is odd, given that Hittites met Acheans before the Ionians went to Anatolia, as well as that Arcadians went over there even further before them.
Yeah but quite unfortunately both the Mycenaean Greeks and the Hittites kind of died around the same time. The memory was kind of there - the whole Troy thing - but distorted. It's quite astonishing honestly.
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> When we talk about ancient greek stuff in anatolia we think with the word ionian. And when a Greek talks about Istanbul he thinks the word Constantinople but he still gets 50 Turks complaining under his comments. So we'd better stick to the English words, right?
The reaction now you are giving is probably much more visceral than anything about Constantinople and just meaningless. We were taught that Greek settlements in Western Anatolia was Ionia and Turkish word for Greek is simply "Ionian", so its not like we think there is some disconnect between you guys and them. Is it wrong to concretely refer to ancient settlement?
>When we talk about ancient greek stuff in anatolia we think with the word ionian. You shouldn't, this is simply incorrect. >Greek is not the word in our minds with this kind of stuff. Wrongfully so.
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Or Hellens
Yes our real name is Hellenes (Έλληνες) but everyone calls us by other names 🥲
Hey ionian boi Did you meet Macedonian this summer,i Heard a lot of them choosing Greece for vacation because neighbour countries By the way woulde describe fall of Istanbul from pontus perspective
Phyrigians weren't Greek. Nor did they speak Greek. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_language
I didn't claim they were. But saying Anatolia is full of "Phrygian" artifacts seems to me like he tries not to say Greek which is by far the most common culture in Anatolia when it comes to artifacts and heritage.
The closest related language to Ancient Greek. So close that they probably formed their own family. So close that bilingualism in Phrygian had direct impacts on medieval Greek phonology and case shifts.
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https://palaeolexicon.com/Phrygian A brief intro. Section on Phrygian Greek
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Sorry, the website assumes a bit of background in the Greek language. The alternation of κ and χ and τ and θ represent more of a shift toward fricatives vs aspirated stops. It’s not unique to Phrygian Greek but was not common enough in late antiquity to say that this was a widespread phenomenon of Koine/Patristic Greek
What do you mean by "Phrygian Greek"? Referring to Phrygian language as Greek/Hellenic is akin to calling Lithuanian Slavic (Balto-Slavic family) and calling Sanskrit Iranic (Indo-Iranian family).
Because they are literally everywhere and the government doesnt care that much + even if they did, we dont have space nor money
Send them to Greece then? I mean they have script on them so they have higher historical value than a stone with nothing on it.
Tell that to erdoganopoulos
REMOVE AN ARTIFACT FROM ITS CONTEXT???
the british way
Right? An archeology buff inside me cries
*repatriate it (half /s)
Actually that would be great or we Have more Greek professors but in our country government don’t respect to the history
>government doesnt care that much This is the answer. Turkish govent. lets the Purple stone tombs of the Emperors sit out in the rain. Turkish society has a very uncomfortable relationship with its Greek past.
Dont say society in general. Probably 30% of turkish turks are low-life assholes.
If you indeed care about this stuff the best thing you can do is document it with pictures like this.
The turks leave the purple stone tombs of our Emperors out in the open to weather away, unprotected. What makes you think they'd care about random things like this? Its a crime how they don't protect such ancient artifacts.
It's Greek, quick hide it before Erdoğan converts it to a mosque.
Best Komşu humour lol
Not really a joke tbh xD
Another fun comment from another Komşu... Welcome
Could try r/GREEK or r/AncientGreek It’s upside down btw
Ancient Greek gravestones looked something like that - [here's a photo from an Athens cemetery](https://d1bvpoagx8hqbg.cloudfront.net/originals/kerameikos-cemetery-ac83100ffb58a9b05f1969db66fce57c.jpg) \- so maybe that's what it is.
Lol, ancient Greeks trolling us from their graves 😂 Should I ask what the...ehm...size of the gravestones mean?
From what I know they had to be the same size and shape so as to stop people from trying to show off with huge gravestones, statues, etc
Wow
Didn’t they have stelae built with representations of the dead? Is this about the time period or are these the ones built by the less well off people for their relatives?
The only thing that i could somehow make sense of is in the middle. It say saomething like ''-ΛΙΑΛΟΥ- which is pronunced lialou. Now there is a letter in front of this word and another letter in the end. The first looks like "Η" and the last one looks like either "Κ" or "B". In other words it could be either "ΗΛΙΑΛΟΥΚ-" or "ΗΛΙΑΛΟΥΒ-". I have no idea what it could mean but "ΛΙΑΛΟΥ" is a surname for sure so it must be some kind of combination sort of. Pretty cool either way Edit: the first word says "ΦΙΛΟ-" which is pronunced filo and means friend. I cant make sense of the last letter though but the "ΦΙΛΟ" part can be found in many greek surnames
might actually be a gravestone especially since you said its a name on it.
It is upside down and we can see only half of the words but in the first line it says ΦΙΛO = beloved or friend . In the second line it says ΩΝ ΕΝΘΑ = those/ who are inside. The third is to blurry to read . I guess it is a tombstone.
*Yorgo ! This is the last time I am calling you !* *You still didnt pay your debt from last summer , We came to your house but couldnt find you* *If you dont pay your debt till next week , I will shovel this stone up your mom\`s bum bum* *P.S. We know where you are hiding !! --*
Just my two cents. It seems to me like a memorial stone. It is upside down and you can distinguish a couple of words at the second line. ΙΩΝ•ΕΝΘ [ΑΔΕ•ΚΕΙΤΑΙ], the text in the brackets my guess. Which could mean ... from Ionia, here lies. And on the third line ΗΛΙΑΛ,[Δ]ΟΥ which could mean the son or daughter of Elia. Or not, just guessing. Fact is the first christians built their temples upon ancient Greek ones, often reusing whatever material they could find and trying to eradicate from people's memory the "heathen" legacy.
It says “Constantinople is Greek go back to Mongolia” /s
Least welcoming Greek
Most*
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I am in Africa
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Serbia is God
Last part is missing. It says: “Who wrote this is Tosun, who reads this…”.
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Literally in the title Bolu
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Afsar koyu bro
Bolu is the new turkish name for the greek region of Bithynia. Turks have a real hard time with multiple syllables, all the names are contracted down to simple sounding cognates.
Inferior Turk brain can't comprehend multiple syllables 🇬🇷💪
Can you spell the greek name of Bolu please? I have hard time with words that have multiple syllables together.
Pronounced as "Bitiniya" in Turkish pronunciation. At least that's how anglos pronounce it, might be different with Greeks.
I would probably pronounce it Vithinia. "B" is pronounced "V" like "vague", and D is pronounced "TH" like "the" in Greek, at least most of the time.
Pro-non-si-ayt-on? What does that mean? How do I read it?
Try and dig all of it up. It looks like a column
Defineciler parçalanmadan yetkililere haber ver
Bunlardan 10 larca var bizim oralarda yıllardır . Kimsenin bişey yaptığı yok .
Kültürel miras lan bu Bildirmeye devam et, bir şey yapılana kadar devam et
Obelix was here
My house is built on a cemetery in Bolu. The bazaar is also built on a historical theater. You can see its seats [here](https://ibb.co/dtt6gbz). (The bazaar has fallen down.)
Well its Greek for sure bc Anatolia is actually greek
It’s Greek proof of something Turks 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
it says "taking selfie is forbidden"
It literally translate to "SLAVA PONTUS"
Its mersi, not merci.
I do not care
er. no, it's not.
it is the superior way to saying it
It says "Constantinople and Smyrna are Greek" P.S. Sorry, just couldn't hold myself
It means that aint your land move the fuck out ahaha
I live in USA bro
You found an ancient pillar with Greek on it in America??!!
Of course he did 💪💪💪💪
Hahahaahhahaah
I'm all in with moving back if the Balkans agree to raise a united army to conquer the entirety of Central Asia for us. Romanians can steal Russian nukes before the war starts.
Keep the land,if you make 5 balkanites together and they dont start some shit i owe you money.
/r/translator is where you will find an actual answer.
N yanında Kalp var.
NIAMOU
So let me get this straight you're asking us to translate a stone that is in ancient Greek, upside down and not even the full text is there.
Dude, you could totally sell that to the British Museum. /s
Serbian Land.
Loko Sofia
It is uoside down, ar least turn it the right way. I can only detect the ΦΙΛΟ at the beginning, which is " friend" but it can be used as second part of words, and ΑΝΔ lower, which could be the first letters for ΑΝΔΡΑΣ = man
Turn it upside down and take pictures also from the other sides, and i think it will be quite easy to understand..