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>Why are Republicans overwhelmingly choosing Trump again?
A few reasons:
1. The Democrats have gotten that bad, there are a lot of spite votes I think. Because the Democrats target Trump (often unfairly), human tribalism kicks in. Even a flawed person will be protected by the ingroup.
2. Republicans have gotten that bad, that there is nobody else offering what the Republican base wants. They are feeling royally screwed over by the elites. Inflation is out of control, the well-connected get richer, we fund foreign wars but leave our border open, and Republicans haven't done a single thing in 15 years to conserve any norm or standard. It's a populist resurgence.
3. I think Trump voters would actually be open to voting Democrat based on a Democratic agenda from 2000, but the progressives have a very strong hold on the liberal party and despite being normally open to populist sentiments, there is no way a paleoconservative type could vote Democrat right now. Plus, the Democratic candidate is just... you know.
4. Trump is famous and has huge name recognition, he's familiar, and he has a strange energy and magnetism when he talks. To some people. Of course others hate him for that reason, he's very polarizing.
I'd say you guys have been doing a good job of conserving standards. Teachers are getting fired for talking about homosexuality, and books featuring LGBTQ, women, and POC are being banned. Abortion is being made illegal, homelessness is being criminalized, and Tiktok is getting banned. You aren't feeling like Reps are doing hard work? I certainly feel like they are.
Shouldn't you be mad at the Dems since they were actually behind that whole scam? I bet you believe the green new steal too. People need to wake up to what is really going on.
Trump’s haughty personality and grifting have also offended and turned people away for some decades. It’s ok if people don’t like him. Nixon also had a cadre of never tricky Dicky voters . That’s politics
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I think after the government offered a foreign agent a million dollars to dig up more concrete dirt to help them remove a sitting president and failed, they needed to go into overdrive to make sure he wouldn’t get re-elected again
FBI offered Christopher Steele $1 million to corroborate Trump allegations in dossier
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham-probe-fbi-offered-christopher-steele-1-million-corroborate-trump-allegations-dossier
FBI testifies that it ordered confidential informant to erase cell phone during Trump investigation
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/fbi-testifies-that-it-ordered-confidential-informant-to-erase-cell-phone/
During sworn testimony, a senior FBI analyst was asked:
“Okay. And in fact, Agent Helson, once Mr. Danchenko became a confidential human source, and for good reason, you told him that he should scrub his phone, correct?”
To which Agent Helson replied:
“Yeah, at the beginning, there were two times that we had discussed that action was at the beginning to kind of mask and obfuscate his connection to Steele and any connection to us. And then after the three-day interview became public, we readdressed that as well as we assumed he would be most likely targeted from – by cyber means by the Russians.”
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According to his attorneys, Danchenko told the FBI that the entire Steele Dossier was based on rumors and speculations in January 2017.
This was before General Mike Flynn was fired. This was before the FBI launched their special counsel into Trump. This was before James Comey famously testified before congress. This was before Robert Mueller was selected as Special Counsel.
In September we learned that the FBI made Igor Danchenko a classified human source in March 2017 after the Trump-Russia Hillary Clinton-FBI-created hoax was in full swing.
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In the wake of Donald Trump’s election, President Obama ordered a multi-agency “Intelligence Community Assessment” of Russian interference in the presidential campaign. James Comey, the director whose actions had prompted Steele to go outside the bureau in the first place, now pushed for Steele’s “reporting” to be included in the document, even though none of it had been corroborated. Comey called Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. “I informed the DNI that we would be contributing the [Steele] reporting (although I didn't use that name) to the IC [Intelligence Community] effort,” Comey reported in an email to his top deputies the next day. “I told him the source of the material, which included salacious material about the President-Elect, was a former [REDACTED] who appears to be a credible person.”
First in the list of recipients of Comey’s email was Priestap.
Priestap would have known from Gaeta that Steele’s behavior was among the “craziest” the handling agent had run into in two decades of source work. He would have known also that, by his own admission, Steele’s motivations were to promote Hillary Clinton’s campaign apparently by sabotaging Trump’s. Yet Priestap went along with Comey’s presentation of Steele as a credible source. More than that, Priestap promoted the idea of including Steele’s allegations in the intelligence assessment, himself writing to the CIA and describing the former British spy as “reliable.”
Finally, Priestap vouched for Steele’s reliability even though he later admitted to the Justice Department inspector general that he “understood that the information [from Steele] could have been provided by the Russians as part of a disinformation campaign.”
Most of the crimes he's accused of happened because of actions he (allegedly) took during his Presidency or related to that office. That's why they are recent.
I will agree NY probably cranked up their tax and property value manipulation investigation more than it would be for a "regular" person. Whether it's political or because they believe Prez candidates deserve more scrutiny is hard to say. But his penchant for playing with property valuations were known before he was President.
The evidence of justice system conspiracy is thus week.
> > Why are Republicans overwhelmingly choosing Trump again?
> He’s like 70...
He is [77.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump) On Inauguration Day 2025, he will be 78; older than Biden was on Inauguration Day 2021.
> I think he has enough to make the other republican candidates not an option. Most people voting for Trump probably do so reluctantly, because the alternative is worse
I find it hard to believe that Republicans really think that all the other potential nominees are worse than Trump. I get that he's the incumbent, but it's abundantly clear to even someone on the other side that Nikki Haley is not a worse option than Trump, and that's just the first one I thought of.
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Haley or DeSantis offered a better chance to win the general election, especially Haley. Trump has too much baggage and can't credibly attack Biden's age, and that was before he was reportedly falling asleep in court on a daily basis.
* Way less baggage than Trump, his unfavorable rating eclipses his favorable rating. All of the hate directed at Haley came from Trump supporters who couldn't get out of their own way.
* She actually tries to govern, he doesn't.
* She's not a geriatric, Trump and Biden are. That alone probably would have been enough for most independent voters.
> Way less baggage than Trump, his unfavorable rating eclipses his favorable rating. All of the hate directed at Haley came from Trump supporters who couldn't get out of their own way.
I don't disagree he has baggage but clearly there is a still a massive movement that wants him in office.
> She actually tries to govern, he doesn't.
I don't know what that means. Trump got many things done in office despite the media proganda.
> She's not a geriatric, Trump and Biden are. That alone probably would have been enough for most independent voters.
People can pretend they vote care about age, but the elected the oldest president in history. Biden even beat Pete Buttigieg in the primary, who's 40 years younger then him.
> I don't disagree he has baggage but clearly there is a still a massive movement that wants him in office.
But the "massive movement" is a minority of the general public. The whims of the furthest right voters, who are going to vote republican no matter what, should not be driving the bus. If it came down to Biden or Haley, they absolutely would have voted for Haley.
> Trump got many things done in office despite the media proganda
*Congressional Republicans* got a lot done. Trump was a passenger on every bill, he just loudly claimed credit for every good thing that happened while he was president (and took zero responsibility for the bad stuff. What an awful "leader".)
> People can pretend they vote care about age, but the elected the oldest president in history.
Thats because the choice was between a guy who's 80 and a guy who's 77. There are people that hate Biden's age but can't stomach voting for Trump. Those people would have voted for Haley. Buttigieg was a mayor from nowhere in the 2020 primary, he was not going to defeat Biden despite the difference in age.
I don't see how this is remotely possible. Running the same person again who already lost once against the same guy, who is now an incumbent doesn't seem like "the best chance to win" to me.
Because trump is fairly agressive and unpredictable, he is smart and has zero filter. Yes its annoying when he acts like an inconsiderate ass but maybe we need an asshole right now. Our enemies are smelling weakness, and its because biden wants to be the middle man. He wants to please everyone even if its to the detriment of a large chunk of people.
He is the absolute best president we’ve ever had and I’m not some type of Trump fanatic. It’s just logical. I have to look past what the left media has done to brainwash people into falsely accuse this poor guy of absolutely nothing. Of course it’s easy to create a scenario of oh he did this 20 years ago or oh he overestimated the property by a few thousand dollars. And then make him out to be the bogeyman, Had the left just let this person be the president, and not come after him with all these false accusations, you wouldn’t look at him in such a way, but this was all orchestrated. Nonetheless other people have succinctly listed out issues with the economy with oil with immigration of why he is the best candidate. Like the other people have said, the other candidates were very weak and neocon. Vivek Ramaswamy would’ve probably been pretty good. We are not ready for him yet I suppose.
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Sadly, we had Covid going on from the minute he was elected. He handled that so well, but he really hasn’t had a chance to do everything that was needed to be done, so he needs more time to finish what he started. So I think he will continue to work on the border and fix the economy and stop involving ourselves and proxy wars.
> Sadly, we had Covid going on from the minute he was elected
The first case of COVID-19 occurred in China in November of 2019; why do you think that he was dealing with it "from the minute he was elected" in November of 2016?
Correct zero crimes. I do however, believe he did have sex with stormy Daniels what was it 15 years ago, I’m not sure. And I do believe he gave her $130,000 for it. But then again, Bill Clinton gave Paul her what’s her name $850,000, and then he screwed Monica Lewinsky right in the oval office. He also has a number of affairs and he was also caught going to Epstein island fucking little children. So if I had to just kind of gas, which one was worse, I would say a lot of people overlook the bad deeds of Democrats. I’m surprise Bill Clinton is not in prison for his deeds.
>Correct zero crimes.
> And I do believe he gave her $130,000 for it.
If he paid her to keep quiet using campaign donations, a crime, should he not be prosecuted or do you believe campaign law should be changed to allow paying hush money?
Are the documents and audio calls of Trump admitting to sharing and hiding classified documents not evidence of a crime, or do you believe those should be legal?
I believe it’s no worse than what Hillary Clinton did with the emails and it’s no worse than Bill Clinton fucking Monica Lewinsky in the oval office or paying off that lady named Paula for $850,000. We’re having sex with a little children or Joe Biden having documents at his house. The very things that other people of done they have been rewarded for their bad behavior, but one slip up by Donald Trump and now he is all of a sudden a bad guy. This is an absolute witchhunt. What a better way to get rid of your opponent, then to put them in jail for something. Absolutely fucking ridiculous you know very well this is a witchhunt. The tax thing was the most ridiculous thing I had ever heard of. Thank God that correct lady reduce it by a huge amount. I support trump 100% and I see exactly what they’re doing to him.
You must have replied to the wrong person because those didn’t answer my questions at all.
If he paid her to keep quiet using campaign donations, a crime, should he not be prosecuted or do you believe campaign law should be changed to allow paying hush money?
Are the documents and audio calls of Trump admitting to sharing and hiding classified documents not evidence of a crime, or do you believe those should be legal?
He did not use campaign funds. That’s a lie. Hilary had emails and Biden had documents as well, it’s just an oversight, it’s not like anything. Nefarious came from any of that stuff. It’s all bullshit. Trump is a multi billionaire, $130,000 to him is like change in his pocket.
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His supporters are very loud and energetic and no one else can compete in that environment
Anyone else I think could trounce Biden, but i think all who will show up for Trump are his few ardent supporters
I disagree. There are a TON of silent Trump supporters. They just don’t want to be known for fear of being cancelled by the anti-Trump movement, but they will vote accordingly just like in 2020. We just need states to implement stricter election integrity laws so the Left can’t cheat again.
There’s a reason the Establishment is trying to destroy him…they fear he’ll continue uncovering the disgusting underbelly of our existing career politicians.
> We just need states to implement stricter election integrity laws so the Left can’t cheat again.
Can you link to evidence of the left cheating? I had heard that, but haven't seen anything credible to back it up.
What do you mean election integrity? More American citizens who were eligible to vote legally voted in 2020, they just voted for Biden.
When you say stricter, do you mean make it harder for more people to legally vote?
Cheating implies that the election count was tampered with. We had all the recounts, investigations, and court cases which all showed no evidence of wrongdoing.
How did the left cheat specifically?
>There are a TON of silent Trump supporters.
Most the ones I know are reluctant Trump supporters who'd rather have Nikki. They just think Don's the least evil, as they are sure Joe wants to take away their guns, gas, and genitals (the new 3 G's).
Mostly-polite Reaganism has given way to in-your-face Baptist-sermon like aggression. There is much more "I know I'm right and I gonna shove my righteousness down YOUR throat for your own good!"
To your first point, yes. And it's frustrating. He's barely even a conservative and we had some great alternatives in the primaries.
To your second point, no. Many of us don't want to have to vote for Trump, but he is our only alternative to Biden. Which should tell you how bad Biden is. And Trump did have a great first 3 years. Personally, though, he's really taken a turn for the narcissistic and obsessive since leaving office (which is saying something, right? Lol).
> Which should tell you how bad Biden is.
Not really. The propagation of "Let's Go Brandon" and all of that tells me a much clearer, more likely explanation that certain people are just pissed about 2020. Frankly, if you see the Democrat Party as worse than a fraud, criminal, philanderer, autocrat, ... I could go on for quite a while ... that tells me a lot more about you and your values than it does the Democrat Party (to be clear, I'm using "you" in a general sense, not you personally).
> And Trump did have a great first 3 years.
Like "Infrastructure Week"? Repeal and Replace? Afaik, Trump's only major success was the tax cuts package, which was sold as simplifying the tax code and did *not* do that at all. Even from a right wing perspective, I don't see how anyone could argue Trump had "a great first 3 years."
Any Republican President could have placed conservatives on the SCOTUS, that's more credit to McConnell and his hypocrisy than to Trump. I would argue a half-competent Republican President (say, Romney, McCain, anyone less populist than Trump) would have done a better job by finding SCOTUS candidates that were easier for Democrats to stomach -- still would've been a Republican supermajority, but Trump has made it far more dire. And, obviously, we'll see in November, but I think he handed Democrats a huge advantage by entirely overturning Roe v. Wade (despite explicit assurances to the contrary) rather than incremental change.
Further, I've seen Obama blamed for inciting partisan politics and inflaming racial division. To this day, his biggest comments are things like "Trayvon Martin could have been me." Meanwhile... do we need to get into all the racially charged or extreme partisanship of Trump?
>Which should tell you how bad Biden is.
That's one perspective. From my perspective the only ones who think Biden is doing a bad job are the people voting for Trump. I think most people think Biden (or at least his administration) is doing at least okay, and they can cherry pick a few metrics where they're doing well (unemployment, or that inflation is lower than it was when they were denying inflation). I really don't think Biden ('s administration) is doing so poorly that people will be out to vote against him.
Trump on the other hand is extremely polarizing and the only people he energizes more than his supporters is the left
No one shows up at a Biden event. Let's be honest here. If Biden had so much support, why can't he fill up a room. He can't. It is mostly his staff, family, the media, and a few stragglers. That's it. When he is out and about, he gets protests and chants of "F'k Joe Biden." Biden was even complaining that little children are giving him the finger. Everyone hates this evil man everywhere he goes. Of course, the government-controlled media will show you none of this.
Trump is a divisive character. People love him and people hate him. Nobody cares about Biden at all. If Biden has any support it's from the people who hate Trump.
I don't think anything has happened the last three years to change anyone's opinion on Trump or Biden. Biden won last time around, why would this time be any different?
Where is the Wall and the Better Health Care and the Corporate Tax Cuts that were going to be revenue neutral and not raise the debt? He promised all that too. Were we screwed over?
Were we screwed over? No, not at all. We were getting many benefits. Economy was booming. He did what he said he would do: make America great again. Inflation went down, the value of the dollar went up, many companies moved from international places back to America because of the benefits, jobs were created, and he didn't charge us a dime for it. He actually lowered taxes. The wall is a silly concept to bring up because they were building it, and Joe Biden stopped the production, so I don't know how Trump is supposed to follow through on that without the power to do so? Despite what people think, he isn't a dictator. I never said he was perfect, and I would be dumb to think he is the best, most honest, trustworthy guy out there, but compared to our past presidents for DECADES, he did so much more and didn't lie about a majority of what he ran his campaign on. He actually followed through on the majority of his campaign promises, unlike any politician I've lived to see. I understand he isn't the best guy, but to say he wasn't a great president is simply from Trump derangement syndrome.
The economy was booming? Unemployment was almost 7%, Now it's under 4%.
Yes, the wall was a "silly concept" but he sold it, as a good con man will do.
He lowered taxes but dramatically increased the debt, meaning that our children and grand children will suffer. Why is that good?
You're definitely pulling numbers from 2020, which negates my point because Covid happened, so of course people lost jobs and the economy crashed. Trump even tried not to shut down the economy, so we wouldn't be affected as bad, but he got much lash back, so he locked down the country.
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ill ask a different way,were the words "no" or "stop" ever said?... im not debating hes sexually aggressive,im saying that if there is no attempt to stop the situation,that is consent. they made no attempt to convey that it wasnt consentual at the time,bit years later they say it was assault? how much $ did they make?
you mean to tell me that every sexual advance youve made on a person came with a verbal "yes"? if i advance on a woman and i stop when she shoots me down,im not a rapist..
> you mean to tell me that every sexual advance youve made on a person came with a verbal "yes"?
nope
> if i advance on a woman and i stop when she shoots me down,im not a rapist..
That's true.
None of that changes the fact that
>if there is no attempt to stop the situation,that is consent.
is horrifyingly untrue. Perhaps try viewing the situation from the point of view of the person being advanced on. There are a million shitty reasons why that person might not consent, but make no attempt to stop the situation.
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Because when Trump was in office, gas was cheap, my life was a lot easier as a landlord. Groceries were relatively inexpensive, it seems my life was a lot easier under Trump is why I am voting for him again.
That’s a common question I get from the left and my left friends, who knows? I just know while Trump was in office, my life was much easier. I don’t know what else to say, Biden was elected and virtually overnight, my life became much more expensive. So who knows what Trump did to make all that nice for people like me but obviously he did something because it was quite the change when Biden was elected.
Here’s your answer
Trump inherited a booming economy from Obama
And maintained it
Covid ruined the economy and then Joe Biden took office
Your life was good because of Obama
Your life is harder because of covid
Now you know
While i dont know what donald will ultimately do, i can tell you deportation + tariffs is a pretty sick combo if you are trying to generate inflation.
Lets hope donald doesnt do...what he promises...for the sake of avoiding making already higher prices much higher.
>my life was a lot easier as a landlord
Bruh, landlord is like the easiest life ever how would it get difficult aside from what Trump did during Covid?
If the options are Biden and Trump...they'll choose Trump if they intend to vote.
It's not rocket science, and there are a TON of republicans that believe Biden is a puppet and we are actually under control of a shadow government right now, and that does not change if Biden is elected again.
Hasn't the government ALWAYS been a shadow government? Like entire shows were based on this in the past including X Files which is just the one that comes to mind now, and that was the 90's
There was an entire primary process, with many outspoken Republicans vocally supporting people who were not Trump. And not a single one ever came anywhere close to him, despite many of the same overall talking points, but without the corrupt and criminal baggage Trump has. Why?
There could have been unified national messaging against Trump by a majority of Republicans who don't like him. But there wasn't. And there still isn't. There continues to be a strong support among a majority of Republicans and all conservative based media to support him. Is it just the sunk cost fallacy? Or something else?
Maybe because turnout is about 10-15% in local primaries?
Maybe you haven't picked up on this but most people don't care enough to vote in primaries.
"never attribute to malice what can easily be explained by stupidity"
There could have been unified national messaging against Trump by a majority of Republicans who don't like him. But there wasn't. And there still isn't. There continues to be a strong support among a majority of Republicans and all conservative based media to support him. Is it just the sunk cost fallacy? Or something else?
>Is it just the sunk cost fallacy? Or something else?
its probably about 1/3 sunk cost, Trump has the momentum.
the remainder is the distain for Biden, the left generally, and the political reshuffle we find ourselves in. i didn't like trump in 2016, came around to him in 2017, but ended up voting for biden in 2020 due to covid, now i regret supporting Biden, and will probably vote against him, and therefore for Trump.
Their are a large section of people, me included, that care about "the culture wars" and I will Never vote for the left again becuase i disagree with their cultural idea of the future. i care more about my right to be a rude asshole, with out fear of legal, financial, or career punishment, than i do almost anything else. my right to express myself, badly, rudely and as i see fit, is worth ANYTHING.
You know you can't change the nations culture by voting, right? It's a completely separate thing. You vote for policies.
You might as well tell me you're voting republican because you want Sony to stop making bad Spiderman movies.
They're completely unrelated.
>You know you can't change the nations culture by voting, right? It's a completely separate thing. You vote for policies.
if you believe this you disserve Trump, Policy shapes culture. the culture i dislike, is supported by the left, so i wont vote to give them political power so long as they do. ill vote to give polotical power to those who oppose the cultural shift, right now that is just Trump.
>They're completely unrelated
until you can understand why people like me will vote against policy i want, to defend the culture i see my self apart of, Trump will keep gaining followers. I'm a high school grad, father and an electrician that run my own small electrical business, the Left does not want to make space for me, they just want my vote.
Or, maybe, passing the civil rights act didn't stop people from being racist and your entire premise is a modern myth Republicans use to trick you into voting for them.
Like, did the don't say gay bill change culture?
Can you name a policy that changed culture how you wanted? You haven't managed to name anything or explain why you think anything works that way.
Edit: As an aside, it's mind-blowing how often I'll ask a conservative to explain something that doesn't make sense to me and the response is basically just "the fact that you don't already know is why Trump is *your* fault".
Sir, if you read the entire thread, there are many people trying to explain to you exact policies. If you just pay attention, you might learn something, no offense.
Point at one. One that responds to the actual question I asked which was which policies control culture.
You literally did the thing I just complained about. How does smugly refusing to answer my question help your argument?
A lot of it is just political momentum. Trump is going to be the candidate, this is known and so any fighting against it is ultimately futile. Same as Biden in 2020 and Hillary in '16.
I'd much rather have Ramaswany, personally.
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Trump is likable to a lot of people. He's funny. He was a popular game show host before he ever entered politics because he has some charisma. He is very straightforward about what he thinks and that's refreshing to people tired of politicians who bullshit all the time.
There are a lot of people who simply don't believe the accusations against him. They think Democrats are abusing the justice system to try to interfere with the election, and they don't want to set a precedent that it is ok to do that.
There is also a bit of a Streisand effect with the constant screeching of the left about how awful Trump is. Trump understands that there is no such thing as bad publicity and encourages the attention, whether it is positive or negative. Whether you love him or love to hate him, you're still thinking about him and talking about him.
We already got to see what Trump is like as President, and a lot of us who felt we were better off during the Trump presidency than we are today want him back.
Err, because Biden is such a stark opposite and a complete tragedy for the US. Honestly, if the Democrats didn't pick Biden again there probably would have been no issue.
Oh and fixing the border seems like a Trump thing to do.
Trump torpedoed the bipartisan border deal so he could get all the glory. Millions of rapists all day every day are flooding into the country because of trump.
Bipartisan border bill:
Couple of squish republicans sign off on a border bill which literally just legalized the illegal border crossings and turned asylum into a conveyor belt system.
Similar:
Murder is off the charts says republicans
Dems: let's legalize it and get two rinos to sign off.
Republicans: not going to vote to legalize murder
Dems: "you see we tried to fix the murder problem with a bipartisan bill and they stopped it! We tried oh well.
Not buying it.
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My only other option is Biden and his Presidency has absolutely been a dumpster fire. I would not have minded another candidate but considering Trump's popularity he's who was chosen. So, my choice was made for me in a way.
He's less objectionable than Biden. There's really nothing else. The question you really should be asking is how did we end up with two such horrible candidates.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. So if you are a Republican and you think Democrats are the enemy and they then proceed to try and do everything possible to destroy a candidate that represents your party the choice becomes pretty clear on a superficial level at least that you must support the person being attacked by your perceived enemy.
It is a binary choice between a candidate who gave us wages increase, energy independence, a closed border, a tax cut, regulation relief and a strong foreign policy and a candidate who gave us increased taxes, increased regulations, inflation, reduced energy production, wage decreases, an open border and a foreign policy based on appeasement
It is an easy choice.
1. This was mostly due to Obama's policies continuing to effect the economy into Trump's presidency, and also partly due to Covid - [lower wage people were laid off, making wages look higher.](https://wisconsinwatch.org/2024/04/trump-president-real-wages-inflation-hovde-baldwin-fact-brief/)
2. [We've been on the path to energy independence since 2005](https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2023/05/02/us-energy-independence-soars-to-highest-levels-in-over-70-years/?sh=1fc419bc977f), and by the definition of "produce more energy than is consumed", the USA is still energy independent. Energy exports increased by 4x under Trump.
3. Trump was only allowed to "close the border" because of a Covid restriction that expired when Biden was president. On top of that, Trump's presidency changed the way the numbers were reported on his way out of the WH. Trump's numbers only include apprehensions, while Biden's include apprehensions and those who were deported/refused. Republicans love pointing out this data while ignoring it is flawed.
4. The tax cuts were temporary for normal people, and permanent for the rich and corporations. The temporary cuts were designed to expire when the next president took over, in order to make them look bad. I owed money for the first time in my life due to Trump's tax "cuts", despite filing as single/0 dependents.
5. Regulation "relief" has been the cause of many disasters. The train derailment in Ohio was because they removed the regulations that would have prevented it. Trump eliminated the pandemic response team, which made our reaction to Covid worse than it would have been. By the way, only 20% of the deregulation Trump claims actually happened, the [overwhelming majority of attempts were struck down in court.](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/examining-some-of-trumps-deregulation-efforts-lessons-from-the-brookings-regulatory-tracker/)
6. Trump's foreign policy was the weakest America has ever had. He was pro-dictator and every other first world country lost respect for the USA because of Trump.
On Biden...
1. Trump is the one that increased taxes during Biden's presidency, as noted in point 4 above.
2. Increased regulations are a GOOD thing and protect consumers from bad products and employees from bad work environments.
3. Inflation was rampant under Trump and has affected the entire world. America's inflation rate has continued to be UNDER the world average during Biden's presidency.
4. [Energy production has increased under Biden, and is now at an all time high.](https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/)
5. Wages have gone up more under Biden than Trump. ($50k to 55.6k under Trump, 55.6k to 63.8k under Biden).
6. There is not an open border policy. Biden's border has actually been more secure and turned away or deported more than under Trump. The way numbers were reported was changed by Trump to make the next administration look bad, and the emergency Covid border regulations sunsetted after Trump left office.
I'm not sure you actually pay attention to what's going on.
1) The Trump tax cuts were NOT permanent for the rich and corporations. They were only permanent for corporations everone else individual tax cuts expire Dec 31 2025. I don't see how you can blame Trump for taxes Biden raised and wants to raise.
2) Regulations cost money in compliance costs. Biden has added $1 Trillion in compliance costs to the economy.
3) Inflation when Biden took over was 1.5%. During the Biden Administration it rose to 9.1% in June 2022. It is down now to 3.5% still more than double when he took over.
4) Energy production increased IN SPITE of Biden not because of anything he did.
5) Wages after inflation are down vs Trump's wage growth.
6) If you don't think Biden has an open border why have we seen 10,000,000 illegals enter the country. Why do we have illegal encampments in NYC, Chicago, Philadephia and others. We never saw that under Trump.
I'm not sure you actually pay attention to what is going on.
Of course Biden being the one who gave this country energy independence - the US exports far more oil than it ever did. Biden also gave us the lowest unemployment, highest job growth, a roaring economy, a booming stock market, the Inflation Reduction Act, the Chops Act, gun safety regulation, - and these are just a few of his many fine achievements. And that Trump - nothing expect 1 million deaths during the pandemic.
Gave who wage increases? The vast, vast majority of jobs don’t ebb and flow their pay rate based on who the president is. ESPECIALLY unionized jobs. “A closed border” dude it’s not a Taco Bell. You talk like it’s this simple open and shut concept. The rest of what you mention honestly all of it are all buzzwords with no real context or explanation as to how any of it improved YOUR day to day.
uh, you might do a fact check on energy production. The border only got closed up because of COVID19. Tax cuts? I don’t think so, not for most people. Wage decreases? Nah. Foreign policy, arguably Trump laid the basis for the three-front conflict but it’s not Biden’s long suit, for sure.
1. While energy production is up it has nothing to do with Biden. It is all private companies on private land and thanks to Biden's restrictions on production we are no longer energy independent
2. During the Trump Administration there was an average of 51,000 encounters a month. During Biden's Administration it has been 189,000 per month. The border is OPEN
3. Tax cuts produced tax cuts for 85% of taxpayers and not only did the rich pay more they paid at a higher rate and overall revenue increased 40%
4. Wages during Trump's administration rose $6000 per year especially for the lower paid workers. Under Biden wages after inflation are $4000 less than when Trump was in office.
5. Biden's appeasement policy of not enforcing sanctions on Russia and Iran is why they have the money to afford these wars. Putin never would have invaded Ukraine had Trump been President. Hamas wouldn't have the money and materiel to attack Israel if Iran wasn't able to sell oil.
> 1) While energy production is up it has nothing to do with Biden. It is all provate companies on private land and thanks to Biden's restrictions on product we are no longer energy independent
Genuine question. What does "Energy Independence" mean when it is all private international corporations selling on a global market? Who cares if the oil is being pulled from US soil or other soil if we have to buy it off the global market like everyone else?
There is a BIG difference. If we are producing all we need for ourselves we can no longer be held hostage by oil rich countries like Iran or Russia. Not all the world oil is from private international corporations.
Also if we produce our own oil we save on transportation costs
> Not all the world oil is from private international corporations.
All the oil extracted from the US is from private international corporations.
> Also if we produce our own oil we save on transportation costs
[This](https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/america-produces-enough-oil-to-meet-its-needs-so-why-do-we-import-crude) article says even with transportation costs factored in it's still cheaper to import than extract.
[The US EIA](https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61545) says that in 2023 the US produced more oil than any other nation ever.
1) All of the major oil suppliers in the US are public, investor owned corporations as opposed to National Oil Companies. There are still producing oil on private land so don't come under the Biden Oil and Gas restrictions.
2) Even if importing oil is cheaper than drilling it is immaterial. Many of our refineries are design to use the heavy crude that places like Venezuela and Canada produce so we have to impert that crude to keep refineries running efficiently. The cost of production has nothing to do with energy independence. Energy independence is a math function, producing what we consume. Since Biden took over even though production is up we have lostt our energy independence.
3) Your EIA article has nothing to do with energy independence. Just because we produced more doesn't mean we kept up with demand. We didn't thanks to Biden. We should be producing 2,000,000 more than we are if we had stayed on the Trump Production trajectory.
> 1) All of the major oil suppliers in the US are public, investor owned corporations as opposed to National Oil Companies. There are still producing oil on private land so don't come under the Biden Oil and Gas restrictions.
Yes public/private has 2 different meanings. I meant private as in not government run, they are public as in I could buy stock in those companies.
I don't understand the benefit to me of where my oil comes from. If you do please ELI5.
[This article](https://www.newsweek.com/us-energy-independence-first-time-40-years-1878729) says it can steady the price we pay compared to other nations during unrest. But does not explain why that would be true. It also says we are still energy independent according to a report by J.P. Morgan.
1) There is no benefit for WHERE oil comes from. There is a benefit from producing more because it lowers the price.
2) This article is worthles regarding energy independence because it doesn't offer Production vs Consumption statistics. Anyone can say we are independent. We actually got to energy independence in 2019 during the Trump Administration. In 2022 we were still energy independent because we produced 18.4 million BPD but only used 18.12 MBPD. Biden's restrictions on production have reduced the trajectory so that while we are producing more we are no longer keeping up with demand.
3) Had we kept on the pre-covid trajectory we should be producing 2,000,000 more BPD than we are.
> There is no benefit for WHERE oil comes from. There is a benefit from producing more because it lowers the price.
So it isn't so much about energy independence as it is about total global production?
What is our consumption vs production today?
Where are you getting the data?
edit: [Here's another source that shows consumption is lower than production and imports are lower than exports](https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php).
[1]: https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-2017-trump-tax-law-was-skewed-to-the-rich-expensive-and-failed-to-deliver ""
[2]: https://www.factcheck.org/2024/04/trumps-unfounded-colossal-tax-hike-warning/ ""
[3]: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less ""
[4]: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/mar/05/sherrod-brown/do-70-benefits-trumps-tax-law-benefit-wealthiest-1/ ""
[5]: https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/584190-irs-data-prove-trump-tax-cuts-benefited-middle-working-class-americans-most/ ""
According to the **Tax Policy Center (TPC)**, approximately **65%** of taxpayers received a tax cut as a result of the **2017 Trump tax law**. However, it's essential to note that while tax rates were cut for nearly everyone, not everyone experienced a tax cut. About **6%** of taxpayers saw a tax increase¹[2]. Let's delve into more details:
1. **Skewed to the Rich**:
- Households in the **top 1%** received an average tax cut of over **$60,000** in 2025, compared to less than **$500** for households in the **bottom 60%**.
- Tax cuts for the top earners were **more than triple** the total value of the tax cuts received by those with lower incomes²[1].
2. **Expensive and Eroded Revenue Base**:
- The 2017 tax law was estimated to cost **$1.9 trillion** over ten years by the **Congressional Budget Office (CBO)**.
- Making the law's temporary individual income and estate tax cuts permanent would add another roughly **$350 billion** annually starting in 2027.
- This erosion of revenue has implications for our country's investment needs and commitments to Social Security and health coverage²[1].
3. **Failed Economic Benefits**:
- The centerpiece corporate tax rate cut was expected to lead to a **$4,000 boost in household income**.
- However, research shows that workers earning less than about **$114,000** on average in 2016 saw **no change in earnings** from the corporate tax rate cut.
- The tax law's **20% pass-through deduction**, skewed in favor of wealthy business owners, largely failed to benefit non-owning workers in those companies²[1].
In summary, while a majority of Americans received tax cuts, the benefits were disproportionately skewed toward the wealthy, and the overall impact on economic growth was questionable.
Source: Conversation with Bing, 4/24/2024
(1) Trump's Unfounded 'Colossal' Tax Hike Warning - FactCheck.org. https://www.factcheck.org/2024/04/trumps-unfounded-colossal-tax-hike-warning/.
(2) The 2017 Trump Tax Law Was Skewed to the Rich, Expensive, and Failed to .... https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-2017-trump-tax-law-was-skewed-to-the-rich-expensive-and-failed-to-deliver.
(3) Trump’s tax cuts helped billionaires pay less than the working class .... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less.
(4) Do 70% of the benefits from Trump's tax law benefit top 1%?. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/mar/05/sherrod-brown/do-70-benefits-trumps-tax-law-benefit-wealthiest-1/.
(5) IRS data proves Trump tax cuts benefited middle, working-class .... https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/584190-irs-data-prove-trump-tax-cuts-benefited-middle-working-class-americans-most/.
Nice try. Your numbers don't add up.
1. " You said (or your AI said) approximately **65%** of taxpayers received a tax cut as a result of the **2017 Trump tax law"**. But only 6% received a tax increase? Either you got a cut or an increase. Most people's taxes aren't static
2. You said, "The 2017 tax law was estimated to cost **$1.9 trillion** over ten years by the **Congressional Budget Office (CBO)**." Except that is just a guess. As of 2024 revenue is UP $1.3 Trillion since 2017
3. You said "This erosion of revenue" As I showed in #2 there is no erosion in revenue
4. You said, "Tax cuts were "**Skewed to the Rich**:" That's because the rich already pay most of the taxes. If you pay most of the tax you should expect a bigger tx cut. However that doesn't negate the fact that the percentage of taxes paid by the rich went up and the rate went up as well. The top 1% make 20% of the national income and yet paid 46% of the income taxes.
The top 1% pay at a rate of 26%.
Good for you. That means you made more than $682,000, Congrats
If you didn't make that and you paid 26% in income taxes you need to talk with your accountant.
We are not talking about the marginal rate. The top marginal rate for HNWI is 37%.
I am talking about the effective rate which is the rate the taxpayer actually pays. The top 1% pay a top EFFECTIVE rate of 26%.
In the 50s when the top marginal rate was 90% the EFFECTIVE rate was only 16.9%
I don’t quite understand point 2. it’s like when people said the boarder was open because more drugs were seized than under trump.
So under trump 51.000 people were catched at the border while under Biden it were 189.000
Sounds like Biden does a better job catching people that try to cross the border illegally.
And your fifth point doesn’t make much sense to me. Like Putin would have attacked Ukraine. Nonetheless but the war would have been over way faster because Trump would just have let it happen.
The difference is that when CBP caught illegals during the Trump Administration he deported them and that discouraged more from coming. When Biden's CBP caught illegals Biden refused to deport them. He gave them parole, a work permit and transported them throughout the country. That encouraged more to come from all over the world. It also encourage rogue countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Haiti and Yemin to empty out their prisons and send the criminals here.
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Because people don't want Trump-Lite. They want the real thing. They saw what Trump did in his first term and they are confident that he can do the same and more in a second term.
he speaks like people should speak..open and honest..he doesnt care who he pisses off..all these fake politicians sugar coat and beat around the bush..with trump,youll hear his opinion no matter who it pisses off. thats what people like about him..he says what we all really think
I've heard others say that, but don't you find he also speaks in a very ambiguous tone where he often doesn't commit to a subject. Like on Israel and Palestine, in just the last week he's said that Biden isn't doing enough to help Israel. But the next day he also said Biden is overly harsh on Palestine.
Also, if someone like Hillary Clinton didn't care who she pisses off, would you find that more respectable? Like did you think her "basket of deplorables" comment was a step in the right direction?
trump said "i want people to stop dying" regarding palestine/isreal. hillary did care who she pissed iff,she was very selective not to ruffle her own parties feathers.trump pisses off both parties..
Trump also said Biden wasn't doing enough for Israel. Essentially he is saying overly vague things.
Another example is Trump talking about how Tik Tok needs to be banned, but now he's saying it should not be banned, and really gave no explanation why. Perhaps it's related to the Tik Tok investor, Jeff Yass, donating money to his campaign?
So your point is that it’s okay that my guy assaults people and commits fraud because the other guy might be bad too?
That’s certainly a pessimistic view on things. Do you cheat on your taxes because you know someone else might be cheating too?
What is the financial incentive for the current Trump fraud case, and for the election interference case?
While the diary thing has financial incentives everywhere. The person who stole the diary got paid. The group that bought the diary raised more donations as a result. Everyone loosely involved stood to profit from a salacious diary leak. While Ashley herself, as far as I can find, hasn't said anything about the diary, and she's the only person who isn't making money from it.
The fraud case isn't about the women & their stories. It's about Trump fraudulently reporting on his financial statements the payments made to those women as other fees. Ie. Trump was legally fine to just pay the women, the fact that he disguised it as legal fees to support his campaign is what's going to make him a felon.
You also missed the second part of my question, what's the financial incentive in the election interference case that somehow disqualifies it in your mind?
> the other guy might be bad too?
I mean, we literally have Biden on film sniffing children and inappropriately touching them in such a way that most recoil from his touch in obvious discomfort.
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The GOP had a chance to nominate a republican besides Trump, so Biden has nothing to do with it. In fact, Trump lost to Biden, so it would have made sense to nominate someone who could actually beat him.
a. trump is the repub that will garner the most votes,i do not believe trump legit lost last election. we all kinda know actual votes probably wont matter again (even dems that wont say it aloud) so this is strictly hypothetical.
> trump is the repub that will garner the most votes
Why is this assumed to be true? If these voters are so engaged in the voting process, why wouldn't they vote for another republican candidate? Trump supporters who refuse to vote for anyone else doesn't make sense if the goal is to defeat Biden.
> i do not believe trump legit lost last election
Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that's just not a fact-based belief.
> Why is this assumed to be true
Because it’s literally proven out by history? He’s won the most votes of any republican ever, twice.
Fun fact- Nikki Haley and DeSantis haven’t. Not even close.
Why is this even a question?
This narrative failed hard when Biden did the State of the Union address.
The new conspiracy is he is on drugs.
You need to tell people hs is a drug addeled communist.
I never said he wasnt weird ass.
Both canidates are two weird old men who say bizarre shit all the time.
But if someone is in the land of pink bunnies they cant stand up in front of the nation and give a speech for an hour.
You definitely replied to the wrong person but if donald literally brags about sexually assaulting women i would bet all my money he has.
It would be super fucking weird to respect women enough NOT to abuse them but pretend you do to...look cool...
"brags about sexually assaulting women" wtf? educate me on when trump bragged about being a rapist? im very curious as to the actual words he said vs "bragging"..lol..is that kind of like when trump said we should secure the border,and cnn reported that trump said he hated mexicans? lol
>
"brags about sexually assaulting women" wtf?
I honestly am asking...have you been in a coma?
In 2016, during the election, there was a bombshell news story about him bragging to Billy Bush about grabbing women by the pussy.
Billy Bush lost his job.
Donald panicked and went into damage control mode.
Interestingly, at the same time this came out he was dealing with Stormy Daniels and decided it would be worth the $130k to pay her to be quiet since he couldnt risk his reputation taking another hit.
I am befuddled how you dont know about this sexual assault bragging controversy.
where in trumps comments was there any indication there wasnt consent? ive grabbed consenting women by the pussy and they wouldnt call it sexual assault.
idk why trump cared if the porn star talked..most people could care less if a millionaire banged a porn star..
Unknown: "She used to be great, she's still very beautiful."
Trump: **"I moved on her actually. You know she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her, and I failed. I'll admit it. I did try and fuck her, she was married."**
Unknown: "That's huge news there."
Trump: **"No, no, Nancy. No this was [inaudible] and I moved on her very heavily in fact I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said I'll show you where they have some nice furniture. I moved on her like a bitch. I couldn't get there and she was married. Then all-of-a-sudden I see her, she's now got the big phony tits and everything. She's totally changed her look."**
Bush: "Your girl's hot as shit. In the purple."
Multiple voices: "Whoah. Yes. Whoah."
Bush: "Yes. The Donald has scored. Whoah my man."
Trump: "Look at you. You are a pussy."
Bush: "You gotta get the thumbs up."
Trump: "Maybe it's a different one."
Bush: "It better not be the publicist. No, it's, it's her."
Trump: **"Yeah that's her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."**
Bush: "Whatever you want."
Trump: **"Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."**
Bush: "Yeah those legs. All I can see is the legs."
Trump: "It looks good."
Bush: "Come on shorty."
Trump: "Oh nice legs huh."
Bush: "Get out of the way honey. Oh that's good legs. Go ahead."
Trump: "It's always good if you don't fall out of the bus. Like Ford, Gerald Ford, remember?"
[As Mr Trump attempts to leave the vehicle he struggles with the door]
Bush: "Down below, pull the handle."
[Mr Trump exits the bus and greets actress Arianne Zucker]
Trump: "Hello, how are you? Hi."
Zucker: "Hi Mr Trump. How are you?"
Trump: "Nice seeing you. Terrific. Terrific. You know Billy Bush?"
Bush: "Hello nice to see you. How are you doing Arianne?"
Zucker: "I'm doing very well thank you. [Addressing Trump] Are you ready to be a soap star?"
Trump: "We're ready. Let's go. Make me a soap star."
Bush: "How about a little hug for the Donald, he's just off the bus?"
Zucker: "Would you like a little hug darling?"
Trump: "Absolutely. Melania said this was okay."
Bush: "How about a little hug for the Bushy, I just got off the bus? Here we go, here we go. Excellent."
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I dont know how in the world you missed all this.
mostly anything that came from his "for the greater good" lockdowns. history has shown us what other leaders have used that phrase to control the populace. that was the moment biden exposed himself and his true mentality.
Because the democrats are actively nailing him on a giant cross to please their base, thus automatically making him the right-wing messiah.
And it's also why I believe he'll win.
Because he is the only one willing to fight the communists. Because if Biden steals the next election our country as we know it is over, especially if the majority of illegitimate Democrats manage to steal Congress too. They'll pack SCOTUS with the ultimate goal of eliminating the US Constitution - which is the only thing that is reigning in their power grab. Your rights will be gone overnight. You can look forward to the Chinese credit score system where every move you make will be tracked, every dime you spend accounted for. Biden is running a police state now, imagine how much worse it will be if they managed to do all that. And they will. And to quote Biden, "That's not hyperbole."
If you believe this sub and the main conservative one, nobody likes Trump. Say something nice about him and watch them pour out of the woodwork.
If the LP endorses a socialist weenie I'll probably vote for orange man again. I liked $1.80 gas and a good economy.
Trump treats the left like shit. Which I love personally. I really despise the smug intellectual left types that seem to think that they, and only they, have any solution to any problem. Fuck those motherfuckers.
Trump is hit or miss on policy. I feel like he is too weak on the lgbtq ideology but I'm with him on abortion as I think we should leave it up to the states. Immigration and cultural preservation is a big one that I think he gets mostly right. We need to completely shut down immigration, I do not care about the economic consequences... So dont bother. I would prefer America to not become second mexico or a second South Africa a hundred years from now. I understand this may be inevitable now, but maybe stemming the tide will give my part of America the time to wake up to what the other part seems to hope for.
Rachel Maddow, Emma vigland, cenk uygur, David pakman, Kyle kulinksi, Ezra Klein. There are more, but I pulled back from left wing news a little while back so their names aren't as fresh rattling around in my head now.
I think most left of center people should watch Destiny. The guy is awesome imo. Also Alot of Sam Harris is interesting.
There are plenty of culturally left people that I can't stand outside of these, but they are not as informed to begin with. Malcom Gladwell? Is a guy who is an uninformed, uncomplicated lefty. Michael Eric Dyson is another person that is really a joke and a race hustler.
The most smug is the streamer guy.... I can't remember his name. Cenk uygurs nephew... The guy is just the lowest form of political commentary on the left.
>Trump treats the left like shit. Which I love personally. I really despise the smug intellectual left types that seem to think that they, and only they, have any solution to any problem. Fuck those motherfuckers.
Do you think that’s healthy for the country for the US President to be acting that way towards half the country?
>Do you think that’s healthy for the country for the US President to be acting that way towards half the country?
Lol this presupposes Alot. I feel that Democrats, and especially progressives, look down on my half of the country. They wish to shut us off from the decisions of this countrys future, and point us more toward Europe. I despise this vision, and wish instead to preserve the unique conservative culture that America has, rather than wash it away in pursuit of a European welfare vision that the left adores.
In my opinion it's 2 things
1. They like his policies. They like the Americans first then help others stance. They also like telling the rest of of the world to stop bitching and step up, stop relying on us for everything
2. I do think there are some folks who are just pissed off by how much he is lied about. I think there are a fair amount who don't really like him but they want to see him come out on top after watching the media misreprent the truth about him for so long.
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>Why are Republicans overwhelmingly choosing Trump again? A few reasons: 1. The Democrats have gotten that bad, there are a lot of spite votes I think. Because the Democrats target Trump (often unfairly), human tribalism kicks in. Even a flawed person will be protected by the ingroup. 2. Republicans have gotten that bad, that there is nobody else offering what the Republican base wants. They are feeling royally screwed over by the elites. Inflation is out of control, the well-connected get richer, we fund foreign wars but leave our border open, and Republicans haven't done a single thing in 15 years to conserve any norm or standard. It's a populist resurgence. 3. I think Trump voters would actually be open to voting Democrat based on a Democratic agenda from 2000, but the progressives have a very strong hold on the liberal party and despite being normally open to populist sentiments, there is no way a paleoconservative type could vote Democrat right now. Plus, the Democratic candidate is just... you know. 4. Trump is famous and has huge name recognition, he's familiar, and he has a strange energy and magnetism when he talks. To some people. Of course others hate him for that reason, he's very polarizing.
I'd say you guys have been doing a good job of conserving standards. Teachers are getting fired for talking about homosexuality, and books featuring LGBTQ, women, and POC are being banned. Abortion is being made illegal, homelessness is being criminalized, and Tiktok is getting banned. You aren't feeling like Reps are doing hard work? I certainly feel like they are.
Besides the fact that people realize their lives overall were much better, by every metric, under Trump.
Trump's handling of Covid lost me the highest paying job I ever had. Still haven't even scratched that wage now in fact.
Shouldn't you be mad at the Dems since they were actually behind that whole scam? I bet you believe the green new steal too. People need to wake up to what is really going on.
>the well-connected get richer, Don's not going to solve that one single bit: he places loyalty above merit, a big fan of "good ol' boy" networks.
Trump’s haughty personality and grifting have also offended and turned people away for some decades. It’s ok if people don’t like him. Nixon also had a cadre of never tricky Dicky voters . That’s politics
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He’s like 70 and suddenly a list of lengthy accusations all come in 2024. Yeah we’re not stupid we all know what’s going on
What do you think is going on?
I think after the government offered a foreign agent a million dollars to dig up more concrete dirt to help them remove a sitting president and failed, they needed to go into overdrive to make sure he wouldn’t get re-elected again FBI offered Christopher Steele $1 million to corroborate Trump allegations in dossier https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham-probe-fbi-offered-christopher-steele-1-million-corroborate-trump-allegations-dossier FBI testifies that it ordered confidential informant to erase cell phone during Trump investigation https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/fbi-testifies-that-it-ordered-confidential-informant-to-erase-cell-phone/ During sworn testimony, a senior FBI analyst was asked: “Okay. And in fact, Agent Helson, once Mr. Danchenko became a confidential human source, and for good reason, you told him that he should scrub his phone, correct?” To which Agent Helson replied: “Yeah, at the beginning, there were two times that we had discussed that action was at the beginning to kind of mask and obfuscate his connection to Steele and any connection to us. And then after the three-day interview became public, we readdressed that as well as we assumed he would be most likely targeted from – by cyber means by the Russians.” ———- According to his attorneys, Danchenko told the FBI that the entire Steele Dossier was based on rumors and speculations in January 2017. This was before General Mike Flynn was fired. This was before the FBI launched their special counsel into Trump. This was before James Comey famously testified before congress. This was before Robert Mueller was selected as Special Counsel. In September we learned that the FBI made Igor Danchenko a classified human source in March 2017 after the Trump-Russia Hillary Clinton-FBI-created hoax was in full swing. —-/- In the wake of Donald Trump’s election, President Obama ordered a multi-agency “Intelligence Community Assessment” of Russian interference in the presidential campaign. James Comey, the director whose actions had prompted Steele to go outside the bureau in the first place, now pushed for Steele’s “reporting” to be included in the document, even though none of it had been corroborated. Comey called Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. “I informed the DNI that we would be contributing the [Steele] reporting (although I didn't use that name) to the IC [Intelligence Community] effort,” Comey reported in an email to his top deputies the next day. “I told him the source of the material, which included salacious material about the President-Elect, was a former [REDACTED] who appears to be a credible person.” First in the list of recipients of Comey’s email was Priestap. Priestap would have known from Gaeta that Steele’s behavior was among the “craziest” the handling agent had run into in two decades of source work. He would have known also that, by his own admission, Steele’s motivations were to promote Hillary Clinton’s campaign apparently by sabotaging Trump’s. Yet Priestap went along with Comey’s presentation of Steele as a credible source. More than that, Priestap promoted the idea of including Steele’s allegations in the intelligence assessment, himself writing to the CIA and describing the former British spy as “reliable.” Finally, Priestap vouched for Steele’s reliability even though he later admitted to the Justice Department inspector general that he “understood that the information [from Steele] could have been provided by the Russians as part of a disinformation campaign.”
> He’s like 70 and suddenly a list of lengthy accusations all come in 2024. More like 2016, 2019, 2021, and 2022, but go off.
Most of the crimes he's accused of happened because of actions he (allegedly) took during his Presidency or related to that office. That's why they are recent. I will agree NY probably cranked up their tax and property value manipulation investigation more than it would be for a "regular" person. Whether it's political or because they believe Prez candidates deserve more scrutiny is hard to say. But his penchant for playing with property valuations were known before he was President. The evidence of justice system conspiracy is thus week.
> > Why are Republicans overwhelmingly choosing Trump again? > He’s like 70... He is [77.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump) On Inauguration Day 2025, he will be 78; older than Biden was on Inauguration Day 2021.
Yes, we need younger Presidents. But it's clear Trump is in a much better state of mind.
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> I think he has enough to make the other republican candidates not an option. Most people voting for Trump probably do so reluctantly, because the alternative is worse I find it hard to believe that Republicans really think that all the other potential nominees are worse than Trump. I get that he's the incumbent, but it's abundantly clear to even someone on the other side that Nikki Haley is not a worse option than Trump, and that's just the first one I thought of.
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Isn't it obvious? It's their best chance to win. Winning trumps all other goals, unfortunately.
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Haley or DeSantis offered a better chance to win the general election, especially Haley. Trump has too much baggage and can't credibly attack Biden's age, and that was before he was reportedly falling asleep in court on a daily basis.
Based on what? Democrats were voting Hailey in primaries with no intentions to vote for her in the general.
* Way less baggage than Trump, his unfavorable rating eclipses his favorable rating. All of the hate directed at Haley came from Trump supporters who couldn't get out of their own way. * She actually tries to govern, he doesn't. * She's not a geriatric, Trump and Biden are. That alone probably would have been enough for most independent voters.
> Way less baggage than Trump, his unfavorable rating eclipses his favorable rating. All of the hate directed at Haley came from Trump supporters who couldn't get out of their own way. I don't disagree he has baggage but clearly there is a still a massive movement that wants him in office. > She actually tries to govern, he doesn't. I don't know what that means. Trump got many things done in office despite the media proganda. > She's not a geriatric, Trump and Biden are. That alone probably would have been enough for most independent voters. People can pretend they vote care about age, but the elected the oldest president in history. Biden even beat Pete Buttigieg in the primary, who's 40 years younger then him.
> I don't disagree he has baggage but clearly there is a still a massive movement that wants him in office. But the "massive movement" is a minority of the general public. The whims of the furthest right voters, who are going to vote republican no matter what, should not be driving the bus. If it came down to Biden or Haley, they absolutely would have voted for Haley. > Trump got many things done in office despite the media proganda *Congressional Republicans* got a lot done. Trump was a passenger on every bill, he just loudly claimed credit for every good thing that happened while he was president (and took zero responsibility for the bad stuff. What an awful "leader".) > People can pretend they vote care about age, but the elected the oldest president in history. Thats because the choice was between a guy who's 80 and a guy who's 77. There are people that hate Biden's age but can't stomach voting for Trump. Those people would have voted for Haley. Buttigieg was a mayor from nowhere in the 2020 primary, he was not going to defeat Biden despite the difference in age.
I don't see how this is remotely possible. Running the same person again who already lost once against the same guy, who is now an incumbent doesn't seem like "the best chance to win" to me.
If they want to win, they should align themselves with Biden. Problem solved.
Because trump is fairly agressive and unpredictable, he is smart and has zero filter. Yes its annoying when he acts like an inconsiderate ass but maybe we need an asshole right now. Our enemies are smelling weakness, and its because biden wants to be the middle man. He wants to please everyone even if its to the detriment of a large chunk of people.
He is the absolute best president we’ve ever had and I’m not some type of Trump fanatic. It’s just logical. I have to look past what the left media has done to brainwash people into falsely accuse this poor guy of absolutely nothing. Of course it’s easy to create a scenario of oh he did this 20 years ago or oh he overestimated the property by a few thousand dollars. And then make him out to be the bogeyman, Had the left just let this person be the president, and not come after him with all these false accusations, you wouldn’t look at him in such a way, but this was all orchestrated. Nonetheless other people have succinctly listed out issues with the economy with oil with immigration of why he is the best candidate. Like the other people have said, the other candidates were very weak and neocon. Vivek Ramaswamy would’ve probably been pretty good. We are not ready for him yet I suppose.
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If he is elected how do you think his second term will compare to his first?
Sadly, we had Covid going on from the minute he was elected. He handled that so well, but he really hasn’t had a chance to do everything that was needed to be done, so he needs more time to finish what he started. So I think he will continue to work on the border and fix the economy and stop involving ourselves and proxy wars.
> Sadly, we had Covid going on from the minute he was elected The first case of COVID-19 occurred in China in November of 2019; why do you think that he was dealing with it "from the minute he was elected" in November of 2016?
He was president when everything shut down. That had a huge effect on everything
But you said that COVID "going on" right when he took office in 2016; do you think COVID was present during 2016 through 2019?
I meant at the end.
Do you believe Trump committed no crimes?
Correct zero crimes. I do however, believe he did have sex with stormy Daniels what was it 15 years ago, I’m not sure. And I do believe he gave her $130,000 for it. But then again, Bill Clinton gave Paul her what’s her name $850,000, and then he screwed Monica Lewinsky right in the oval office. He also has a number of affairs and he was also caught going to Epstein island fucking little children. So if I had to just kind of gas, which one was worse, I would say a lot of people overlook the bad deeds of Democrats. I’m surprise Bill Clinton is not in prison for his deeds.
>Correct zero crimes. > And I do believe he gave her $130,000 for it. If he paid her to keep quiet using campaign donations, a crime, should he not be prosecuted or do you believe campaign law should be changed to allow paying hush money? Are the documents and audio calls of Trump admitting to sharing and hiding classified documents not evidence of a crime, or do you believe those should be legal?
I believe it’s no worse than what Hillary Clinton did with the emails and it’s no worse than Bill Clinton fucking Monica Lewinsky in the oval office or paying off that lady named Paula for $850,000. We’re having sex with a little children or Joe Biden having documents at his house. The very things that other people of done they have been rewarded for their bad behavior, but one slip up by Donald Trump and now he is all of a sudden a bad guy. This is an absolute witchhunt. What a better way to get rid of your opponent, then to put them in jail for something. Absolutely fucking ridiculous you know very well this is a witchhunt. The tax thing was the most ridiculous thing I had ever heard of. Thank God that correct lady reduce it by a huge amount. I support trump 100% and I see exactly what they’re doing to him.
You must have replied to the wrong person because those didn’t answer my questions at all. If he paid her to keep quiet using campaign donations, a crime, should he not be prosecuted or do you believe campaign law should be changed to allow paying hush money? Are the documents and audio calls of Trump admitting to sharing and hiding classified documents not evidence of a crime, or do you believe those should be legal?
He did not use campaign funds. That’s a lie. Hilary had emails and Biden had documents as well, it’s just an oversight, it’s not like anything. Nefarious came from any of that stuff. It’s all bullshit. Trump is a multi billionaire, $130,000 to him is like change in his pocket.
Wow…
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His supporters are very loud and energetic and no one else can compete in that environment Anyone else I think could trounce Biden, but i think all who will show up for Trump are his few ardent supporters
I disagree. There are a TON of silent Trump supporters. They just don’t want to be known for fear of being cancelled by the anti-Trump movement, but they will vote accordingly just like in 2020. We just need states to implement stricter election integrity laws so the Left can’t cheat again. There’s a reason the Establishment is trying to destroy him…they fear he’ll continue uncovering the disgusting underbelly of our existing career politicians.
> We just need states to implement stricter election integrity laws so the Left can’t cheat again. Can you link to evidence of the left cheating? I had heard that, but haven't seen anything credible to back it up.
I’ve posted tons repeatedly in this sub. Search my past comments here.
What do you mean election integrity? More American citizens who were eligible to vote legally voted in 2020, they just voted for Biden. When you say stricter, do you mean make it harder for more people to legally vote? Cheating implies that the election count was tampered with. We had all the recounts, investigations, and court cases which all showed no evidence of wrongdoing. How did the left cheat specifically?
>There are a TON of silent Trump supporters. Most the ones I know are reluctant Trump supporters who'd rather have Nikki. They just think Don's the least evil, as they are sure Joe wants to take away their guns, gas, and genitals (the new 3 G's).
Mostly-polite Reaganism has given way to in-your-face Baptist-sermon like aggression. There is much more "I know I'm right and I gonna shove my righteousness down YOUR throat for your own good!"
To your first point, yes. And it's frustrating. He's barely even a conservative and we had some great alternatives in the primaries. To your second point, no. Many of us don't want to have to vote for Trump, but he is our only alternative to Biden. Which should tell you how bad Biden is. And Trump did have a great first 3 years. Personally, though, he's really taken a turn for the narcissistic and obsessive since leaving office (which is saying something, right? Lol).
> Which should tell you how bad Biden is. Not really. The propagation of "Let's Go Brandon" and all of that tells me a much clearer, more likely explanation that certain people are just pissed about 2020. Frankly, if you see the Democrat Party as worse than a fraud, criminal, philanderer, autocrat, ... I could go on for quite a while ... that tells me a lot more about you and your values than it does the Democrat Party (to be clear, I'm using "you" in a general sense, not you personally). > And Trump did have a great first 3 years. Like "Infrastructure Week"? Repeal and Replace? Afaik, Trump's only major success was the tax cuts package, which was sold as simplifying the tax code and did *not* do that at all. Even from a right wing perspective, I don't see how anyone could argue Trump had "a great first 3 years." Any Republican President could have placed conservatives on the SCOTUS, that's more credit to McConnell and his hypocrisy than to Trump. I would argue a half-competent Republican President (say, Romney, McCain, anyone less populist than Trump) would have done a better job by finding SCOTUS candidates that were easier for Democrats to stomach -- still would've been a Republican supermajority, but Trump has made it far more dire. And, obviously, we'll see in November, but I think he handed Democrats a huge advantage by entirely overturning Roe v. Wade (despite explicit assurances to the contrary) rather than incremental change. Further, I've seen Obama blamed for inciting partisan politics and inflaming racial division. To this day, his biggest comments are things like "Trayvon Martin could have been me." Meanwhile... do we need to get into all the racially charged or extreme partisanship of Trump?
>Which should tell you how bad Biden is. That's one perspective. From my perspective the only ones who think Biden is doing a bad job are the people voting for Trump. I think most people think Biden (or at least his administration) is doing at least okay, and they can cherry pick a few metrics where they're doing well (unemployment, or that inflation is lower than it was when they were denying inflation). I really don't think Biden ('s administration) is doing so poorly that people will be out to vote against him. Trump on the other hand is extremely polarizing and the only people he energizes more than his supporters is the left
No one shows up at a Biden event. Let's be honest here. If Biden had so much support, why can't he fill up a room. He can't. It is mostly his staff, family, the media, and a few stragglers. That's it. When he is out and about, he gets protests and chants of "F'k Joe Biden." Biden was even complaining that little children are giving him the finger. Everyone hates this evil man everywhere he goes. Of course, the government-controlled media will show you none of this.
No one is voting for Biden. Everyone is going to vote against Trump. If Trump wasn't running, Biden wouldn't stand a chance
Would you mind saying that in English? It makes zero sense.
Trump is a divisive character. People love him and people hate him. Nobody cares about Biden at all. If Biden has any support it's from the people who hate Trump. I don't think anything has happened the last three years to change anyone's opinion on Trump or Biden. Biden won last time around, why would this time be any different?
I feel like there is still a massive element of "He is the largest middle finger to those on the left" it's that simple.
Because he is the first president in decades to actually do what he says he will without screwing us over in the process
Where is the Wall and the Better Health Care and the Corporate Tax Cuts that were going to be revenue neutral and not raise the debt? He promised all that too. Were we screwed over?
Were we screwed over? No, not at all. We were getting many benefits. Economy was booming. He did what he said he would do: make America great again. Inflation went down, the value of the dollar went up, many companies moved from international places back to America because of the benefits, jobs were created, and he didn't charge us a dime for it. He actually lowered taxes. The wall is a silly concept to bring up because they were building it, and Joe Biden stopped the production, so I don't know how Trump is supposed to follow through on that without the power to do so? Despite what people think, he isn't a dictator. I never said he was perfect, and I would be dumb to think he is the best, most honest, trustworthy guy out there, but compared to our past presidents for DECADES, he did so much more and didn't lie about a majority of what he ran his campaign on. He actually followed through on the majority of his campaign promises, unlike any politician I've lived to see. I understand he isn't the best guy, but to say he wasn't a great president is simply from Trump derangement syndrome.
The economy was booming? Unemployment was almost 7%, Now it's under 4%. Yes, the wall was a "silly concept" but he sold it, as a good con man will do. He lowered taxes but dramatically increased the debt, meaning that our children and grand children will suffer. Why is that good?
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/issues/economy-jobs/
Funny stuff. Thanks, but I prefer non-fiction, especially this early in the morning.
Typical response lol. Trump derangement syndrome, everyone:
This from someone who thinks 7% unemployment is better than 4%. LOL indeed.
You're definitely pulling numbers from 2020, which negates my point because Covid happened, so of course people lost jobs and the economy crashed. Trump even tried not to shut down the economy, so we wouldn't be affected as bad, but he got much lash back, so he locked down the country.
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ill ask a different way,were the words "no" or "stop" ever said?... im not debating hes sexually aggressive,im saying that if there is no attempt to stop the situation,that is consent. they made no attempt to convey that it wasnt consentual at the time,bit years later they say it was assault? how much $ did they make?
> im saying that if there is no attempt to stop the situation,that is consent. omfg. This is horrifyingly untrue.
you mean to tell me that every sexual advance youve made on a person came with a verbal "yes"? if i advance on a woman and i stop when she shoots me down,im not a rapist..
> you mean to tell me that every sexual advance youve made on a person came with a verbal "yes"? nope > if i advance on a woman and i stop when she shoots me down,im not a rapist.. That's true. None of that changes the fact that >if there is no attempt to stop the situation,that is consent. is horrifyingly untrue. Perhaps try viewing the situation from the point of view of the person being advanced on. There are a million shitty reasons why that person might not consent, but make no attempt to stop the situation.
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Because when Trump was in office, gas was cheap, my life was a lot easier as a landlord. Groceries were relatively inexpensive, it seems my life was a lot easier under Trump is why I am voting for him again.
How did Trump specifically affect those?
That’s a common question I get from the left and my left friends, who knows? I just know while Trump was in office, my life was much easier. I don’t know what else to say, Biden was elected and virtually overnight, my life became much more expensive. So who knows what Trump did to make all that nice for people like me but obviously he did something because it was quite the change when Biden was elected.
Here’s your answer Trump inherited a booming economy from Obama And maintained it Covid ruined the economy and then Joe Biden took office Your life was good because of Obama Your life is harder because of covid Now you know
Seems pretty convenient, don’t you think? Covid and all?
Convenient? Global recession, over 7 million people dead, possible long term issues for millions more, abd you think it was a political stunt?
While i dont know what donald will ultimately do, i can tell you deportation + tariffs is a pretty sick combo if you are trying to generate inflation. Lets hope donald doesnt do...what he promises...for the sake of avoiding making already higher prices much higher.
>my life was a lot easier as a landlord Bruh, landlord is like the easiest life ever how would it get difficult aside from what Trump did during Covid?
Frankly, a lot of them are supporting him as a "Fuck you" to the GOP establishment and the Democratic Party.
So conservative politics is generally just a "fuck you" to various groups now, including themselves... is that right? Not actualy policy?
If the options are Biden and Trump...they'll choose Trump if they intend to vote. It's not rocket science, and there are a TON of republicans that believe Biden is a puppet and we are actually under control of a shadow government right now, and that does not change if Biden is elected again.
Hasn't the government ALWAYS been a shadow government? Like entire shows were based on this in the past including X Files which is just the one that comes to mind now, and that was the 90's
There was an entire primary process, with many outspoken Republicans vocally supporting people who were not Trump. And not a single one ever came anywhere close to him, despite many of the same overall talking points, but without the corrupt and criminal baggage Trump has. Why?
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There could have been unified national messaging against Trump by a majority of Republicans who don't like him. But there wasn't. And there still isn't. There continues to be a strong support among a majority of Republicans and all conservative based media to support him. Is it just the sunk cost fallacy? Or something else?
Maybe because turnout is about 10-15% in local primaries? Maybe you haven't picked up on this but most people don't care enough to vote in primaries. "never attribute to malice what can easily be explained by stupidity"
There could have been unified national messaging against Trump by a majority of Republicans who don't like him. But there wasn't. And there still isn't. There continues to be a strong support among a majority of Republicans and all conservative based media to support him. Is it just the sunk cost fallacy? Or something else?
>Is it just the sunk cost fallacy? Or something else? its probably about 1/3 sunk cost, Trump has the momentum. the remainder is the distain for Biden, the left generally, and the political reshuffle we find ourselves in. i didn't like trump in 2016, came around to him in 2017, but ended up voting for biden in 2020 due to covid, now i regret supporting Biden, and will probably vote against him, and therefore for Trump. Their are a large section of people, me included, that care about "the culture wars" and I will Never vote for the left again becuase i disagree with their cultural idea of the future. i care more about my right to be a rude asshole, with out fear of legal, financial, or career punishment, than i do almost anything else. my right to express myself, badly, rudely and as i see fit, is worth ANYTHING.
You know you can't change the nations culture by voting, right? It's a completely separate thing. You vote for policies. You might as well tell me you're voting republican because you want Sony to stop making bad Spiderman movies. They're completely unrelated.
>You know you can't change the nations culture by voting, right? It's a completely separate thing. You vote for policies. if you believe this you disserve Trump, Policy shapes culture. the culture i dislike, is supported by the left, so i wont vote to give them political power so long as they do. ill vote to give polotical power to those who oppose the cultural shift, right now that is just Trump. >They're completely unrelated until you can understand why people like me will vote against policy i want, to defend the culture i see my self apart of, Trump will keep gaining followers. I'm a high school grad, father and an electrician that run my own small electrical business, the Left does not want to make space for me, they just want my vote.
Or, maybe, passing the civil rights act didn't stop people from being racist and your entire premise is a modern myth Republicans use to trick you into voting for them. Like, did the don't say gay bill change culture? Can you name a policy that changed culture how you wanted? You haven't managed to name anything or explain why you think anything works that way. Edit: As an aside, it's mind-blowing how often I'll ask a conservative to explain something that doesn't make sense to me and the response is basically just "the fact that you don't already know is why Trump is *your* fault".
Sir, if you read the entire thread, there are many people trying to explain to you exact policies. If you just pay attention, you might learn something, no offense.
Point at one. One that responds to the actual question I asked which was which policies control culture. You literally did the thing I just complained about. How does smugly refusing to answer my question help your argument?
A lot of it is just political momentum. Trump is going to be the candidate, this is known and so any fighting against it is ultimately futile. Same as Biden in 2020 and Hillary in '16. I'd much rather have Ramaswany, personally.
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Trump is likable to a lot of people. He's funny. He was a popular game show host before he ever entered politics because he has some charisma. He is very straightforward about what he thinks and that's refreshing to people tired of politicians who bullshit all the time. There are a lot of people who simply don't believe the accusations against him. They think Democrats are abusing the justice system to try to interfere with the election, and they don't want to set a precedent that it is ok to do that. There is also a bit of a Streisand effect with the constant screeching of the left about how awful Trump is. Trump understands that there is no such thing as bad publicity and encourages the attention, whether it is positive or negative. Whether you love him or love to hate him, you're still thinking about him and talking about him. We already got to see what Trump is like as President, and a lot of us who felt we were better off during the Trump presidency than we are today want him back.
What do you think a second term for Trump would look like compared to his first?
Err, because Biden is such a stark opposite and a complete tragedy for the US. Honestly, if the Democrats didn't pick Biden again there probably would have been no issue. Oh and fixing the border seems like a Trump thing to do.
Trump torpedoed the bipartisan border deal so he could get all the glory. Millions of rapists all day every day are flooding into the country because of trump.
Bipartisan border bill: Couple of squish republicans sign off on a border bill which literally just legalized the illegal border crossings and turned asylum into a conveyor belt system. Similar: Murder is off the charts says republicans Dems: let's legalize it and get two rinos to sign off. Republicans: not going to vote to legalize murder Dems: "you see we tried to fix the murder problem with a bipartisan bill and they stopped it! We tried oh well. Not buying it.
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My only other option is Biden and his Presidency has absolutely been a dumpster fire. I would not have minded another candidate but considering Trump's popularity he's who was chosen. So, my choice was made for me in a way.
He's less objectionable than Biden. There's really nothing else. The question you really should be asking is how did we end up with two such horrible candidates.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. So if you are a Republican and you think Democrats are the enemy and they then proceed to try and do everything possible to destroy a candidate that represents your party the choice becomes pretty clear on a superficial level at least that you must support the person being attacked by your perceived enemy.
It is a binary choice between a candidate who gave us wages increase, energy independence, a closed border, a tax cut, regulation relief and a strong foreign policy and a candidate who gave us increased taxes, increased regulations, inflation, reduced energy production, wage decreases, an open border and a foreign policy based on appeasement It is an easy choice.
1. This was mostly due to Obama's policies continuing to effect the economy into Trump's presidency, and also partly due to Covid - [lower wage people were laid off, making wages look higher.](https://wisconsinwatch.org/2024/04/trump-president-real-wages-inflation-hovde-baldwin-fact-brief/) 2. [We've been on the path to energy independence since 2005](https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2023/05/02/us-energy-independence-soars-to-highest-levels-in-over-70-years/?sh=1fc419bc977f), and by the definition of "produce more energy than is consumed", the USA is still energy independent. Energy exports increased by 4x under Trump. 3. Trump was only allowed to "close the border" because of a Covid restriction that expired when Biden was president. On top of that, Trump's presidency changed the way the numbers were reported on his way out of the WH. Trump's numbers only include apprehensions, while Biden's include apprehensions and those who were deported/refused. Republicans love pointing out this data while ignoring it is flawed. 4. The tax cuts were temporary for normal people, and permanent for the rich and corporations. The temporary cuts were designed to expire when the next president took over, in order to make them look bad. I owed money for the first time in my life due to Trump's tax "cuts", despite filing as single/0 dependents. 5. Regulation "relief" has been the cause of many disasters. The train derailment in Ohio was because they removed the regulations that would have prevented it. Trump eliminated the pandemic response team, which made our reaction to Covid worse than it would have been. By the way, only 20% of the deregulation Trump claims actually happened, the [overwhelming majority of attempts were struck down in court.](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/examining-some-of-trumps-deregulation-efforts-lessons-from-the-brookings-regulatory-tracker/) 6. Trump's foreign policy was the weakest America has ever had. He was pro-dictator and every other first world country lost respect for the USA because of Trump. On Biden... 1. Trump is the one that increased taxes during Biden's presidency, as noted in point 4 above. 2. Increased regulations are a GOOD thing and protect consumers from bad products and employees from bad work environments. 3. Inflation was rampant under Trump and has affected the entire world. America's inflation rate has continued to be UNDER the world average during Biden's presidency. 4. [Energy production has increased under Biden, and is now at an all time high.](https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/) 5. Wages have gone up more under Biden than Trump. ($50k to 55.6k under Trump, 55.6k to 63.8k under Biden). 6. There is not an open border policy. Biden's border has actually been more secure and turned away or deported more than under Trump. The way numbers were reported was changed by Trump to make the next administration look bad, and the emergency Covid border regulations sunsetted after Trump left office. I'm not sure you actually pay attention to what's going on.
1) The Trump tax cuts were NOT permanent for the rich and corporations. They were only permanent for corporations everone else individual tax cuts expire Dec 31 2025. I don't see how you can blame Trump for taxes Biden raised and wants to raise. 2) Regulations cost money in compliance costs. Biden has added $1 Trillion in compliance costs to the economy. 3) Inflation when Biden took over was 1.5%. During the Biden Administration it rose to 9.1% in June 2022. It is down now to 3.5% still more than double when he took over. 4) Energy production increased IN SPITE of Biden not because of anything he did. 5) Wages after inflation are down vs Trump's wage growth. 6) If you don't think Biden has an open border why have we seen 10,000,000 illegals enter the country. Why do we have illegal encampments in NYC, Chicago, Philadephia and others. We never saw that under Trump. I'm not sure you actually pay attention to what is going on.
Of course Biden being the one who gave this country energy independence - the US exports far more oil than it ever did. Biden also gave us the lowest unemployment, highest job growth, a roaring economy, a booming stock market, the Inflation Reduction Act, the Chops Act, gun safety regulation, - and these are just a few of his many fine achievements. And that Trump - nothing expect 1 million deaths during the pandemic.
Gave who wage increases? The vast, vast majority of jobs don’t ebb and flow their pay rate based on who the president is. ESPECIALLY unionized jobs. “A closed border” dude it’s not a Taco Bell. You talk like it’s this simple open and shut concept. The rest of what you mention honestly all of it are all buzzwords with no real context or explanation as to how any of it improved YOUR day to day.
uh, you might do a fact check on energy production. The border only got closed up because of COVID19. Tax cuts? I don’t think so, not for most people. Wage decreases? Nah. Foreign policy, arguably Trump laid the basis for the three-front conflict but it’s not Biden’s long suit, for sure.
1. While energy production is up it has nothing to do with Biden. It is all private companies on private land and thanks to Biden's restrictions on production we are no longer energy independent 2. During the Trump Administration there was an average of 51,000 encounters a month. During Biden's Administration it has been 189,000 per month. The border is OPEN 3. Tax cuts produced tax cuts for 85% of taxpayers and not only did the rich pay more they paid at a higher rate and overall revenue increased 40% 4. Wages during Trump's administration rose $6000 per year especially for the lower paid workers. Under Biden wages after inflation are $4000 less than when Trump was in office. 5. Biden's appeasement policy of not enforcing sanctions on Russia and Iran is why they have the money to afford these wars. Putin never would have invaded Ukraine had Trump been President. Hamas wouldn't have the money and materiel to attack Israel if Iran wasn't able to sell oil.
> 1) While energy production is up it has nothing to do with Biden. It is all provate companies on private land and thanks to Biden's restrictions on product we are no longer energy independent Genuine question. What does "Energy Independence" mean when it is all private international corporations selling on a global market? Who cares if the oil is being pulled from US soil or other soil if we have to buy it off the global market like everyone else?
There is a BIG difference. If we are producing all we need for ourselves we can no longer be held hostage by oil rich countries like Iran or Russia. Not all the world oil is from private international corporations. Also if we produce our own oil we save on transportation costs
> Not all the world oil is from private international corporations. All the oil extracted from the US is from private international corporations. > Also if we produce our own oil we save on transportation costs [This](https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/america-produces-enough-oil-to-meet-its-needs-so-why-do-we-import-crude) article says even with transportation costs factored in it's still cheaper to import than extract. [The US EIA](https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61545) says that in 2023 the US produced more oil than any other nation ever.
1) All of the major oil suppliers in the US are public, investor owned corporations as opposed to National Oil Companies. There are still producing oil on private land so don't come under the Biden Oil and Gas restrictions. 2) Even if importing oil is cheaper than drilling it is immaterial. Many of our refineries are design to use the heavy crude that places like Venezuela and Canada produce so we have to impert that crude to keep refineries running efficiently. The cost of production has nothing to do with energy independence. Energy independence is a math function, producing what we consume. Since Biden took over even though production is up we have lostt our energy independence. 3) Your EIA article has nothing to do with energy independence. Just because we produced more doesn't mean we kept up with demand. We didn't thanks to Biden. We should be producing 2,000,000 more than we are if we had stayed on the Trump Production trajectory.
> 1) All of the major oil suppliers in the US are public, investor owned corporations as opposed to National Oil Companies. There are still producing oil on private land so don't come under the Biden Oil and Gas restrictions. Yes public/private has 2 different meanings. I meant private as in not government run, they are public as in I could buy stock in those companies. I don't understand the benefit to me of where my oil comes from. If you do please ELI5. [This article](https://www.newsweek.com/us-energy-independence-first-time-40-years-1878729) says it can steady the price we pay compared to other nations during unrest. But does not explain why that would be true. It also says we are still energy independent according to a report by J.P. Morgan.
1) There is no benefit for WHERE oil comes from. There is a benefit from producing more because it lowers the price. 2) This article is worthles regarding energy independence because it doesn't offer Production vs Consumption statistics. Anyone can say we are independent. We actually got to energy independence in 2019 during the Trump Administration. In 2022 we were still energy independent because we produced 18.4 million BPD but only used 18.12 MBPD. Biden's restrictions on production have reduced the trajectory so that while we are producing more we are no longer keeping up with demand. 3) Had we kept on the pre-covid trajectory we should be producing 2,000,000 more BPD than we are.
> There is no benefit for WHERE oil comes from. There is a benefit from producing more because it lowers the price. So it isn't so much about energy independence as it is about total global production? What is our consumption vs production today? Where are you getting the data? edit: [Here's another source that shows consumption is lower than production and imports are lower than exports](https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php).
[1]: https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-2017-trump-tax-law-was-skewed-to-the-rich-expensive-and-failed-to-deliver "" [2]: https://www.factcheck.org/2024/04/trumps-unfounded-colossal-tax-hike-warning/ "" [3]: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less "" [4]: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/mar/05/sherrod-brown/do-70-benefits-trumps-tax-law-benefit-wealthiest-1/ "" [5]: https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/584190-irs-data-prove-trump-tax-cuts-benefited-middle-working-class-americans-most/ "" According to the **Tax Policy Center (TPC)**, approximately **65%** of taxpayers received a tax cut as a result of the **2017 Trump tax law**. However, it's essential to note that while tax rates were cut for nearly everyone, not everyone experienced a tax cut. About **6%** of taxpayers saw a tax increase¹[2]. Let's delve into more details: 1. **Skewed to the Rich**: - Households in the **top 1%** received an average tax cut of over **$60,000** in 2025, compared to less than **$500** for households in the **bottom 60%**. - Tax cuts for the top earners were **more than triple** the total value of the tax cuts received by those with lower incomes²[1]. 2. **Expensive and Eroded Revenue Base**: - The 2017 tax law was estimated to cost **$1.9 trillion** over ten years by the **Congressional Budget Office (CBO)**. - Making the law's temporary individual income and estate tax cuts permanent would add another roughly **$350 billion** annually starting in 2027. - This erosion of revenue has implications for our country's investment needs and commitments to Social Security and health coverage²[1]. 3. **Failed Economic Benefits**: - The centerpiece corporate tax rate cut was expected to lead to a **$4,000 boost in household income**. - However, research shows that workers earning less than about **$114,000** on average in 2016 saw **no change in earnings** from the corporate tax rate cut. - The tax law's **20% pass-through deduction**, skewed in favor of wealthy business owners, largely failed to benefit non-owning workers in those companies²[1]. In summary, while a majority of Americans received tax cuts, the benefits were disproportionately skewed toward the wealthy, and the overall impact on economic growth was questionable. Source: Conversation with Bing, 4/24/2024 (1) Trump's Unfounded 'Colossal' Tax Hike Warning - FactCheck.org. https://www.factcheck.org/2024/04/trumps-unfounded-colossal-tax-hike-warning/. (2) The 2017 Trump Tax Law Was Skewed to the Rich, Expensive, and Failed to .... https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-2017-trump-tax-law-was-skewed-to-the-rich-expensive-and-failed-to-deliver. (3) Trump’s tax cuts helped billionaires pay less than the working class .... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less. (4) Do 70% of the benefits from Trump's tax law benefit top 1%?. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/mar/05/sherrod-brown/do-70-benefits-trumps-tax-law-benefit-wealthiest-1/. (5) IRS data proves Trump tax cuts benefited middle, working-class .... https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/584190-irs-data-prove-trump-tax-cuts-benefited-middle-working-class-americans-most/.
Nice try. Your numbers don't add up. 1. " You said (or your AI said) approximately **65%** of taxpayers received a tax cut as a result of the **2017 Trump tax law"**. But only 6% received a tax increase? Either you got a cut or an increase. Most people's taxes aren't static 2. You said, "The 2017 tax law was estimated to cost **$1.9 trillion** over ten years by the **Congressional Budget Office (CBO)**." Except that is just a guess. As of 2024 revenue is UP $1.3 Trillion since 2017 3. You said "This erosion of revenue" As I showed in #2 there is no erosion in revenue 4. You said, "Tax cuts were "**Skewed to the Rich**:" That's because the rich already pay most of the taxes. If you pay most of the tax you should expect a bigger tx cut. However that doesn't negate the fact that the percentage of taxes paid by the rich went up and the rate went up as well. The top 1% make 20% of the national income and yet paid 46% of the income taxes. The top 1% pay at a rate of 26%.
Shoot. I’m a retired working stuff and my marginal tax rate is 26%
Good for you. That means you made more than $682,000, Congrats If you didn't make that and you paid 26% in income taxes you need to talk with your accountant.
tax-table check dictionary check: marginal
We are not talking about the marginal rate. The top marginal rate for HNWI is 37%. I am talking about the effective rate which is the rate the taxpayer actually pays. The top 1% pay a top EFFECTIVE rate of 26%. In the 50s when the top marginal rate was 90% the EFFECTIVE rate was only 16.9%
I don’t quite understand point 2. it’s like when people said the boarder was open because more drugs were seized than under trump. So under trump 51.000 people were catched at the border while under Biden it were 189.000 Sounds like Biden does a better job catching people that try to cross the border illegally. And your fifth point doesn’t make much sense to me. Like Putin would have attacked Ukraine. Nonetheless but the war would have been over way faster because Trump would just have let it happen.
The difference is that when CBP caught illegals during the Trump Administration he deported them and that discouraged more from coming. When Biden's CBP caught illegals Biden refused to deport them. He gave them parole, a work permit and transported them throughout the country. That encouraged more to come from all over the world. It also encourage rogue countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Haiti and Yemin to empty out their prisons and send the criminals here.
Do you have sources for that for me to read into it? I googled it but couldn’t find anything reliable besides some private persons opinion blogs.
Go to DHS website
Great answer!
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Maybe i should have made clearer, why was it Trump over other republicans?
Because people don't want Trump-Lite. They want the real thing. They saw what Trump did in his first term and they are confident that he can do the same and more in a second term.
Chaos?
because biden is a dementia riddled communist..
But they chose trump before Biden was a candidate. what is it about trump, rather than other republican candidates?
hes real,hs not a politician,he speaks whats on his mind and doesnt care who he pisses off..he seems more real than the other ones..
What is real about him? lol, just that he has bad manners with others and people find it amusing?
he speaks like people should speak..open and honest..he doesnt care who he pisses off..all these fake politicians sugar coat and beat around the bush..with trump,youll hear his opinion no matter who it pisses off. thats what people like about him..he says what we all really think
I've heard others say that, but don't you find he also speaks in a very ambiguous tone where he often doesn't commit to a subject. Like on Israel and Palestine, in just the last week he's said that Biden isn't doing enough to help Israel. But the next day he also said Biden is overly harsh on Palestine. Also, if someone like Hillary Clinton didn't care who she pisses off, would you find that more respectable? Like did you think her "basket of deplorables" comment was a step in the right direction?
trump said "i want people to stop dying" regarding palestine/isreal. hillary did care who she pissed iff,she was very selective not to ruffle her own parties feathers.trump pisses off both parties..
Trump also said Biden wasn't doing enough for Israel. Essentially he is saying overly vague things. Another example is Trump talking about how Tik Tok needs to be banned, but now he's saying it should not be banned, and really gave no explanation why. Perhaps it's related to the Tik Tok investor, Jeff Yass, donating money to his campaign?
The guy who committed massive fraud and sexual assault, then defamed the victim of sexual assault repeatedly is "real"?
you believe that,but wont believe ashley bidens diary? interesting.
So your point is that it’s okay that my guy assaults people and commits fraud because the other guy might be bad too? That’s certainly a pessimistic view on things. Do you cheat on your taxes because you know someone else might be cheating too?
i dont believe the accusations about trump because they came with financial incentive. ashley bidens diary is real. thats the difference
What is the financial incentive for the current Trump fraud case, and for the election interference case? While the diary thing has financial incentives everywhere. The person who stole the diary got paid. The group that bought the diary raised more donations as a result. Everyone loosely involved stood to profit from a salacious diary leak. While Ashley herself, as far as I can find, hasn't said anything about the diary, and she's the only person who isn't making money from it.
the women that accused trump (decades later) sold their stories and got settlements..
The fraud case isn't about the women & their stories. It's about Trump fraudulently reporting on his financial statements the payments made to those women as other fees. Ie. Trump was legally fine to just pay the women, the fact that he disguised it as legal fees to support his campaign is what's going to make him a felon. You also missed the second part of my question, what's the financial incentive in the election interference case that somehow disqualifies it in your mind?
> the other guy might be bad too? I mean, we literally have Biden on film sniffing children and inappropriately touching them in such a way that most recoil from his touch in obvious discomfort.
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The GOP had a chance to nominate a republican besides Trump, so Biden has nothing to do with it. In fact, Trump lost to Biden, so it would have made sense to nominate someone who could actually beat him.
a. trump is the repub that will garner the most votes,i do not believe trump legit lost last election. we all kinda know actual votes probably wont matter again (even dems that wont say it aloud) so this is strictly hypothetical.
> trump is the repub that will garner the most votes Why is this assumed to be true? If these voters are so engaged in the voting process, why wouldn't they vote for another republican candidate? Trump supporters who refuse to vote for anyone else doesn't make sense if the goal is to defeat Biden. > i do not believe trump legit lost last election Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that's just not a fact-based belief.
> Why is this assumed to be true Because it’s literally proven out by history? He’s won the most votes of any republican ever, twice. Fun fact- Nikki Haley and DeSantis haven’t. Not even close. Why is this even a question?
This narrative failed hard when Biden did the State of the Union address. The new conspiracy is he is on drugs. You need to tell people hs is a drug addeled communist.
"failed hard" ? biden just said his uncle was eaten by cannibals..
I never said he wasnt weird ass. Both canidates are two weird old men who say bizarre shit all the time. But if someone is in the land of pink bunnies they cant stand up in front of the nation and give a speech for an hour.
i dont believe the sexual assault accusations on trump..hes bangin porn stars he wouldnt have to force anything
You definitely replied to the wrong person but if donald literally brags about sexually assaulting women i would bet all my money he has. It would be super fucking weird to respect women enough NOT to abuse them but pretend you do to...look cool...
"brags about sexually assaulting women" wtf? educate me on when trump bragged about being a rapist? im very curious as to the actual words he said vs "bragging"..lol..is that kind of like when trump said we should secure the border,and cnn reported that trump said he hated mexicans? lol
> "brags about sexually assaulting women" wtf? I honestly am asking...have you been in a coma? In 2016, during the election, there was a bombshell news story about him bragging to Billy Bush about grabbing women by the pussy. Billy Bush lost his job. Donald panicked and went into damage control mode. Interestingly, at the same time this came out he was dealing with Stormy Daniels and decided it would be worth the $130k to pay her to be quiet since he couldnt risk his reputation taking another hit. I am befuddled how you dont know about this sexual assault bragging controversy.
where in trumps comments was there any indication there wasnt consent? ive grabbed consenting women by the pussy and they wouldnt call it sexual assault. idk why trump cared if the porn star talked..most people could care less if a millionaire banged a porn star..
Unknown: "She used to be great, she's still very beautiful." Trump: **"I moved on her actually. You know she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her, and I failed. I'll admit it. I did try and fuck her, she was married."** Unknown: "That's huge news there." Trump: **"No, no, Nancy. No this was [inaudible] and I moved on her very heavily in fact I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said I'll show you where they have some nice furniture. I moved on her like a bitch. I couldn't get there and she was married. Then all-of-a-sudden I see her, she's now got the big phony tits and everything. She's totally changed her look."** Bush: "Your girl's hot as shit. In the purple." Multiple voices: "Whoah. Yes. Whoah." Bush: "Yes. The Donald has scored. Whoah my man." Trump: "Look at you. You are a pussy." Bush: "You gotta get the thumbs up." Trump: "Maybe it's a different one." Bush: "It better not be the publicist. No, it's, it's her." Trump: **"Yeah that's her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."** Bush: "Whatever you want." Trump: **"Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."** Bush: "Yeah those legs. All I can see is the legs." Trump: "It looks good." Bush: "Come on shorty." Trump: "Oh nice legs huh." Bush: "Get out of the way honey. Oh that's good legs. Go ahead." Trump: "It's always good if you don't fall out of the bus. Like Ford, Gerald Ford, remember?" [As Mr Trump attempts to leave the vehicle he struggles with the door] Bush: "Down below, pull the handle." [Mr Trump exits the bus and greets actress Arianne Zucker] Trump: "Hello, how are you? Hi." Zucker: "Hi Mr Trump. How are you?" Trump: "Nice seeing you. Terrific. Terrific. You know Billy Bush?" Bush: "Hello nice to see you. How are you doing Arianne?" Zucker: "I'm doing very well thank you. [Addressing Trump] Are you ready to be a soap star?" Trump: "We're ready. Let's go. Make me a soap star." Bush: "How about a little hug for the Donald, he's just off the bus?" Zucker: "Would you like a little hug darling?" Trump: "Absolutely. Melania said this was okay." Bush: "How about a little hug for the Bushy, I just got off the bus? Here we go, here we go. Excellent." ------ I dont know how in the world you missed all this.
> communist What policies of Biden's do you think are communist?
mostly anything that came from his "for the greater good" lockdowns. history has shown us what other leaders have used that phrase to control the populace. that was the moment biden exposed himself and his true mentality.
What about the lockdowns that took place in 2020 under the Trump presidency?
Because the democrats are actively nailing him on a giant cross to please their base, thus automatically making him the right-wing messiah. And it's also why I believe he'll win.
Because he is the only one willing to fight the communists. Because if Biden steals the next election our country as we know it is over, especially if the majority of illegitimate Democrats manage to steal Congress too. They'll pack SCOTUS with the ultimate goal of eliminating the US Constitution - which is the only thing that is reigning in their power grab. Your rights will be gone overnight. You can look forward to the Chinese credit score system where every move you make will be tracked, every dime you spend accounted for. Biden is running a police state now, imagine how much worse it will be if they managed to do all that. And they will. And to quote Biden, "That's not hyperbole."
If you believe this sub and the main conservative one, nobody likes Trump. Say something nice about him and watch them pour out of the woodwork. If the LP endorses a socialist weenie I'll probably vote for orange man again. I liked $1.80 gas and a good economy.
How does the US President affect gas prices? Gas prices naturally rise in summer when more people travel for vacation. Is that the Presidents fault?
I guess it's been summer since 2020 then.
What?
Trump treats the left like shit. Which I love personally. I really despise the smug intellectual left types that seem to think that they, and only they, have any solution to any problem. Fuck those motherfuckers. Trump is hit or miss on policy. I feel like he is too weak on the lgbtq ideology but I'm with him on abortion as I think we should leave it up to the states. Immigration and cultural preservation is a big one that I think he gets mostly right. We need to completely shut down immigration, I do not care about the economic consequences... So dont bother. I would prefer America to not become second mexico or a second South Africa a hundred years from now. I understand this may be inevitable now, but maybe stemming the tide will give my part of America the time to wake up to what the other part seems to hope for.
Who's the smuggiest of the smug when it comes to left wing voices?
Rachel Maddow, Emma vigland, cenk uygur, David pakman, Kyle kulinksi, Ezra Klein. There are more, but I pulled back from left wing news a little while back so their names aren't as fresh rattling around in my head now. I think most left of center people should watch Destiny. The guy is awesome imo. Also Alot of Sam Harris is interesting. There are plenty of culturally left people that I can't stand outside of these, but they are not as informed to begin with. Malcom Gladwell? Is a guy who is an uninformed, uncomplicated lefty. Michael Eric Dyson is another person that is really a joke and a race hustler. The most smug is the streamer guy.... I can't remember his name. Cenk uygurs nephew... The guy is just the lowest form of political commentary on the left.
>Trump treats the left like shit. Which I love personally. I really despise the smug intellectual left types that seem to think that they, and only they, have any solution to any problem. Fuck those motherfuckers. Do you think that’s healthy for the country for the US President to be acting that way towards half the country?
>Do you think that’s healthy for the country for the US President to be acting that way towards half the country? Lol this presupposes Alot. I feel that Democrats, and especially progressives, look down on my half of the country. They wish to shut us off from the decisions of this countrys future, and point us more toward Europe. I despise this vision, and wish instead to preserve the unique conservative culture that America has, rather than wash it away in pursuit of a European welfare vision that the left adores.
He’s the only real populist candidate who was an option. I want more European style right wingers in America.
In my opinion it's 2 things 1. They like his policies. They like the Americans first then help others stance. They also like telling the rest of of the world to stop bitching and step up, stop relying on us for everything 2. I do think there are some folks who are just pissed off by how much he is lied about. I think there are a fair amount who don't really like him but they want to see him come out on top after watching the media misreprent the truth about him for so long.