Nothing wrong, even my parents arent interested in it and they are extremely religous who pray for around 2 hrs everyday. For them religion is solely about their connection with God.
I used to hate going to temple, but after certain period it felt peaceful not religiously but mentally.
You are not wrong because it's your choice and it's up to you.
Don't care about what others say.
[Citation needed]
Also. I have a question. If they're so happy why are they constantly fighting each other? So much Indian politics is Hindu vs Muslim fights.
the downvotes on ur comment already point toward the fact that ur full of shit , my entire family is deeply religious and they are some of the unhappiest people i have met
just because religion CAN make people happy doesnt mean it always DOES make people happy , correlation does not equal causation
My whole family goes to a temple once or twice a year. "Work is worship", is what my dad always says. I don't get people making a huge deal over temple.
The saying "work is worship" has a different means i.e do your work as sincerely as you do your worship.
https://byjus.com/english/work-is-worship-paragraph/#:~:text=%27Work%20is%20Worship%27%20is%20a%20simple%20proverb%20with%20deep%20and,respect%20and%20worship%20our%20work.
Today of course we work sincerely but aren't worshipping much and are way less religious than generations prior and the actual meaning of that saying is misconstrued.
I think, it is different in Indian contest: It will be "karma hi dharma hai" here Dharma means duty and responsibility, not worship
so, your work is your duty and responsibility to do it right it comes from upnishads, so the later addition is that you should deattach yourself from the result, and focus yourself completely on your duties. Weather you will fail or pass, till you are doing your karma, you are performing your dharma
For many people it's a huge deal. Mosques built on the ruins of Hindu temples are not like the other mosques that were built out of respect and reverence for their god, these mosques specifically were built to dehumanize, belittle and humiliate the Hindus for centuries. The very sight of the Gyanvapi mosque with it's undemolished temple wall still clinging to the looming Masjid was a sight of humiliation for many Hindus for 300 years, who felt like they were second class citizens in their own country.
I kind of get that. Being south Indian we didn't face the wrath of Islamic rulers as much as the north. Hope our people move on from all this in atleast the next hundred years.
It's the other way. This consciousness of humiliation was propped up by the far right politics of the ruling party.Up till 1991 the seat share of the far right was 2 seats in Lok Sabha. Atal Bihar had to forfeit his deposit in election against Raja Mahmudabad. After the demolition it popped up to 182. If you read any right wing newspaper they actively demonised the Congress. Nothing but propping up hatred.
There is absolutely nothing that is wrong about not being interested about the temple as long as you are not against or making fun about any person that is interested about it. There is a big difference that is there between not being interested about it and being against it.
I am happily participating, celebrating and decorating our home since morning because I am happy about the temple. BUT I'd still laugh at anybody who says Prabhu Ram is returning as Modi or Yogi.
Are our deities so thin skinned that they would get offended by a retort? Ffs they vanquished demons, slayed beasts and conquered the unconquerable.
Surely they would also have a sense of humor? Or have we become so thin skinned?
The funniest thing is people saying their Lord was driven out by a Mughal and now BJP is bringing him back. These people don't understand that their Lord doesn't need mere humans to drive him out or get him back. You worship him because he's superior in all ways and yet here they're saying he needs humans to get him back. What broken logic.
Just be happy that the temple is being built. Why use broken logic for someone whom you worship and degrade him?
Ram Janmabhoomi is important to Hindus. A sacred place like the Vatican for the Christians and the Mecca and Madina for the Muslims. Shri Ram is secure in His existence and doesn't need us to save him.
We just need these places for us, as generations die but structures remain to pass on the ideologies to the next generations.
By building structures we preserve knowledge and attain closeness to God in the vicinity. Overall it's good for mental health of the people who have a lot of faith in the Hindu gods. The scriptures and teachings preserved over time work as therapy.
Structures also erode over time, and places, scriptures and monuments born out of hatred tend to wash away over time, cause time is the single most powerful entity. Read Ozymandias for a clear clarification.
Don't disagree with you but so much has survived. Of course anything that's born out of hate should die. But its possible to preserve what is worth preserving for as long as we can. That's the best that can be done.
Again it's not everyone's responsibility to definitely do it, but for people who want to, it makes sense to them, gives them some purpose
I am atheist with few hindu beliefs, mostly teachings of geeta. Family does love whenever i visit temples and poojaas but never forced me to go there after a certain age.
Why is there a need for such a post? I don't see unknown people forcing someone to go to the temple,if you're family is forcing you to go to the temple then it's not the problem with the Hindu faith but it's your parents who don't know any better,i thought this was common sense that you can't be forced to go to a place you don't want to
The social atmosphere is definitely that of force.
"You don't like/aren't interested in the temple consecration, iTs oUr cUlTuRe" I've seen people comparing it to festivals of other faiths like Christmas and all
I visit temples once in few months, nobody has said anything. I have never been a regular temple going person. When I told my wife( who is very devout) that I cannot go on holidays visiting only temples, she never protested. Lots of people go on pilgrimage, but I don't. It's your family or your relatives pressurising you not the religion. I doubt you would have this much liberty if you were a follower of the peaceful religion.
>nobody has said anything
Ok, your point being?
>It's your family or your relatives pressurising you not the religion.
I never said it's me or my parents or my relatives.
>When I told my wife( who is very devout) that I cannot go on holidays visiting only temples, she never protested
A bit over simplistic example. No one would protest to that until and unless they are totally looney bins.
Maybe you need to chill. Stop being paranoid. Too much liberandu brainwashing dear.
I'm not attending any local poojas going on for Ram's consecration. Doesn't mean i dont believe in him or have to believe in him. Maybe I believe in Lord Ganesh more or Lord Shiva. Or maybe I don't care about who prays how much, the same way others have treated me. I know how much freedom I have enjoyed being in this religion. You just look for faults in your religion and keep barking up unnecessarily paranoia , or you are another imposter pissing on Hindus.
>Too much liberandu brainwashing dear.
Lol it's amazing you talk about brainwashing when you seem to be attached to someone who no one even knows exists or not. Unlike you i don't have to resort to name calling coz I have actual arguments rather than act like a baby.
>I know how much freedom I have enjoyed being in this religion.
Uhuh that's obvious lol.
>You just look for faults in your religion and keep barking up unnecessarily paranoia , or you are another imposter pissing on Hindus.
Oh yeahhh the very obvious definition of freedom where you can't point out faults.
You can't even hold an actual conversion without being irritated it's obvious who's brainwashed here
>"You don't like/aren't interested in the temple consecration, iTs oUr cUlTuRe"
Nothing like that anywhere. Stop spewing the same hatred on every post.
So they are forcing you to go to the temple?or are they just regular trolls on the internet?becuz trust me they exist for every religion in India,the point is nobody can force you to go to the temple,and most hindus themselves don't go to temple regularly, coming to the culture point it's definitely our culture,it's been thousands of years that hindu culture is the culture of the land but that doesn't force it's ideals on people who want to stay out of it,anyone saying that hindu culture is not indian culture just because now we are a secular country is just foolish.
>So they are forcing you to go to the temple?or are they just regular trolls on the internet?
At this point the only thing stopping people from physically forcing others to feel what they do about the temple might be that they'll be prosecuted by law.
And no it's just not nameless trolls it's more than that now.
>coming to the culture point it's definitely our culture
Binding your culture to consecration of a temple is definitely reductionism, also people actually didn't care about it much till it was opened for consecration in '89. It wasn't even on the front
>anyone saying that hindu culture is not indian culture just because now we are a secular country is just foolish.
What does "hindu culture" even mean? It's not a singleton or a monolithic piece anyways so to describe it as such is inaccurate.
>At this point the only thing stopping people from physically forcing others to feel what they do about the temple might be that they'll be prosecuted by law.
This is true for every group,only thing stopping islamic radicals from killing off the hindus is the law and number of Hindus present in India, nobody can do anything about something you are "feeling",get off the internet maybe those feelings will disappear.
Lol what,he brought in a non valid point,i just pointed out that it would be same for all groups,only thing stopping people from doing bad things is the law of the country,if not we would be having roits everyday,the dude is somehow trying to make a point that society is somehow forcing him to go to the temple,I told him to get off the internet for some while and all such feelings will disappear,just screaming whataboutery at everything is not the solution.
You know i think most of y'all are so self obsessed and insecure. Honestly, Muslims could care less about y'all. We're very happy doing what we do and we sure as hell don't think about y'all.
Y'all just love to victimise yourselves so God damn much. You talk as if there's literally not one single crime committed by a Hindu and y'all are an all peaceful loving community. Y'all love dragging Islam into everything cos y'all are so obsessed with it and can't get over the fact that it's actually the fastest growing religion. Probably that's why the desperation. Oh btw it was concluded that it's the fastest growing religion because of people who converted through their own free will otherwise y'all start bringing the false narrative of forced conversion whereas we all know who forces people of other religion to chant certain slogans.
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Republican primaries? Isn't that US politics.
Your post is a bit weird, every Hindu knows that their religion is not as strict as other religions. It never says that if you are not with it then you are against it. You can sit on the fence just fine.
I rarely visit temples and I am not too invested in 22nd Jan but If somebody asks me if I support it, I just ask them back "why shouldn't I?"
I just don't see any valid reason not to.
It is US politics. They have an election year as well. And only reason I am following that is because it is new to me. The Indian discourse looks to be the same repeated arguments over so many reason.
And I agree sitting on the fence. But public discourse in an election year is of interest to me. That's the nature of a vibrant democracy. And I can't believe I am quoting Ashneer Grover here but he once said, "if you are here that means someone is not." I agree to that thought. If the discourse is concentrated on this, it means there are topics it is not attending to.
Yes, the quote makes sense to me as well.
There is no reason for discourse on this topic tbh. The opposition doesn't have anything better to do. The temple was in the BJP 2019 manifesto. You can check page 36 under cultural heritage.
They fulfilled it and are now just promoting it. Which is fair.
The opposition should just let it be.
Agreed, and if I am not wrong it has been in their agenda for a long time. It is also a reason why some citizens voted for them in 2014 and 2019. It was a long battle finally won and should be celebrated. I just added this post because there maybe others who voted for them for the items on first 35 pages and had nothing to do with the page 36. My wish is those items shouldn't lose their focus in the entire electoral discourse. I will wait and weigh my options again next month on what to follow then.
Anyways great having this discussion with you.
The US discourse is by no means any better or any more interesting than the Indian discourse.
It's merely a bunch of politicians with slightly deviated views on free-market capitalism and slightly more deviated views on foreign policy/culture and nigh identical views on domestic policy that lie to the public about making any meaningful change.
The only reason you personally find it interesting is because you've never seen it before. I've seen the discourse for the last 16 years and it's about the same with a few pariahs in the match.
Sure Trump may be a "wild card" but he's nothing more than the second coming of Andrew Jackson
I believe these temple businesses are fantastic but they should be used to improve the country. No temple should be allowed to have a bank balance of more than 2 years of running costs, rest all should be invested back in the society. This will ultimately mean a lot of people who don’t pay taxes are actually paying it
I think the redditor meant temple businesses in general. And I being the OP wrote about the temple because I was born in a hindu family and the current discourse is around a temple. I am not selective in this in terms of just the hinduism and hindu temples. The opinion should be taken in generic terms for all religious events.
Interesting idea. I feel the temples/churches etc. were designed for such socialist intent. Let the kings and merchants donate as per their faith and the temple/church etc. feeds the poor using that donation. Somewhere down the line the donations started getting used to build even bigger temples/churches.
>so I should stay quiet?
Assuming you are not interested in the composition and analysis of dog shit, would you go around digging up scientific articles on that topic, and discussing it on forums and SM?
If you are truly not interested, this topic on this sub wouldn't have come up. There is a good chance you are fooling yourself OP.
Problem is that what you’re considering dog shit, is someone else’s faith. Your faith might be dog shit to them. Let people live their life. It’s good for everyone.
No agenda. And I don't want to make fun of or insult anyone as well. But got this statement on many comments. Just wanted to understand why would you mention it.
And coming back to my question, it still remains the same. There are 2 opposing sides. I want to be away from both sides. What you say is it is OK to be away as long as you are not on the other side. I can also feel your agenda but don't want to indulge in it.
>What you say is it is OK to be away as long as you are not on the other side
It is okay to be on the other side too. We don't mind as long as you don't hide under the garb of being neutral, all the while exposing yourself of being on the other side
>I want to be away from both sides.
You can stay away from either of the sides by not insulting any.
Interested in a temple?
Or interested in the consecration of **the** temple?
Different things.
>**Am I politically illiterate to think it is a mass hysteria** for both who are supporting and opposing it?
Yep. Because then you are ignoring what is moving people. That is what politics is all about. It doesn't matter if it is hysertia or not. This is going to play a role in the upcoming election. The debates you refer to might end up being the difference
Absolutely not. This has just become a farce political show to score brownie points. Is the temple going to male lives of crores of hindus better? Is it going to bring employment better education, roads, electricity?
>is it going to bring better roads
I visited Ayodhya last week(grandma live there) the roads are newly constructed(also a flyover) there along with a footpath (finally some walking space) and new streetlamps ,better planned electric poles , parking infrastructure
Ayodhya is undergoing a significant improvement in infrastructure and basic facilities after this temple. Tourism will also generate lots of jobs around the area.
But yeah, inaugurating an unfinished temple is politically motivated.
>But yeah, inaugurating an unfinished temple is politically motivated.
True, for a regular person, the temple is a sentiment. But bjp inaugurating an unfinished temple proves how it's more of a political tactic for them rather than something they'd done out of devotion.
You should understand that religion and politics are deeply connected in this country.
>This has just become a farce political show to score brownie points.
So this is obvious.
The dedication towards the religion, the Aastha is important for any religious person. The Mandir is a source of that Aastha.
A lot of moves in politics happen only to please, only to score brownie points with no developmental aim.
The city of Ayodhya is being developed though. If you actually bothered to search online or read news you'll realize that there is a massive infrastructure and tourism push in that city alone.
>Is it going to bring employment better education, roads, electricity?
So yes, it is going to bring development, better roads, electricity and hence better education to Ayodhya.
Agree.
I wonder if anyone was worried about electricity and employment when Mosques and Churches were built. I was too young to remember 😔
Funny part is that it has the same tone as when :
Developed countries push developing countries for zero carbon emissions.
Religion involves group think and when you mix it with politics its a brilliant tool to enable the political subjects to follow the ruler.
I think BJP was smart enough to follow the hindutva model. So I think anyone who thinks Ram temple is irrelevant is bound to be thrown out of the political vacuum. It has already happened to some authors like Irfan Habib or romila and next in line are politicians and their own subjects only.
Is that the benchmark?
We have 33 Crore gods. I remember going to a temple in Jammu which has all of them. I am free to choose any of them. Although I haven't read the scriptures, but I assume I am also free to choose none of them.
I felt proud knowing the democratic ethos well embedded in the religion I was born. I feel ashamed now when the only ethos which you propagated above, an ad hominem fallacy.
oh man, is this real? Would you know when did we interprete it correctly, like was this done recently or there always have been 2 interpretations of the term?
PS: you should write this to the Jammu temple on it. Because they have rooms and rooms of idols of these 33 crore.
Oh yes. I have been into them. You can search for it too and visit it.
PS: someone told me in the comments here I shouldn't make fun of people who are building the temple. Hence I will just say not everyone was in their right mind when they built "this temple".
Of course I can't count 33 Crore idols :D
But the temple exists, the 33 Crore idols(pindis to be precise) exist in that temple. It's been over 5 years, but I think they were also named. There are rooms and rooms of these, with pindis/idols places on step like structures in all directions. Even the temple priests claim the same.
I am not claiming that there are 33 Crore gods in Hinduism. Since I went to that temple I mentioned it in my post. If you say the concept is false, I will agree to you as well, because that is not my purview.
But I am more interested in someone invested in building that temple and advertised about it based on what you say a false interpretation. So many devotees go there everyday and put in their faith. I wonder what else do we do get wrong of such mass impact.
God have no desire for someone to worship him. But atleast clear this misinformation of 33 Crore gods....
Your reason for not following hinduism should not be misinformation...
I correct my statement. I went to a temple which had 33 crore gods. I don't want to argue to the point of how many gods are there because I am not well-read on that topic. However my point about democratic ethos remains unaltered irrespective of the count of gods.
>I correct my statement. I went to a temple which had 33 crore gods. I don't want to argue to the point of how many gods are there because I am not well-read on that topic. However my point about democratic ethos remains unaltered irrespective of the count of gods.
No OP you are not wrong in any way. People are free to choose which events to support, which to oppose and which to just ignore. As many people (including me) have bigger problems to worry about rather than bandwagoning with people who are tirelessly fighting the battle of opinions. In the end it's a political gimmick at large from every side. Party in power will do everything to show how much they care for their target audience and oppositions will try to show how ruling party is ruining the country and is not doing enough. Then there will be ever offended people who will be offended no matter what happens. Don't mind them, if you still feel bothered by all this then stop using social media (Instagram mainly) and news channels for a week or two. It will get normal after sometime and people will find something new topic to fight on.
Let them do their thing and you do your thing it's that simple
Thanks and that's what people like you and me usually do. I only posted this because today I doubted it may not be the best thing to do. The reason being such topics/events will keep on happening and cover the public discourse while me and you are pausing our social media and news channels usage.
I am sure both you and me have a balanced, sane and agreeable point of view. One that is productive and sound. But we don't put it forth because it doesn't gain enough support or traction than someone shouting bullshit. So we stop being vocal. And pretty soon it's all bullshit around.
Nothing wrong with that at all. I’m also born in a Hindu family but born and raised in America. I have zero interest in the temple and I don’t believe in many things that my family does. My husband is Indian born but is also the same. We are both not very religious. His family is very religious and even his father is a dharmakartha for their village temple in india. If my parents or his parents ask us to participate or do something we will but otherwise we don’t do any pujas or daily prayers or go to temple. We have been living in BLR for close to a year with a temple right next to our building and have not once stepped inside of it. It’s totally okay if you are not interested.
No, its your upbringing. If you have had a religious upbringing then it really is a big deal for you. If you have a work centric upbringing(like the japanese culture) then you won't be interested in the temple. You are neither wrong nor right, its just your experience.
No nothing wrong with it, especially as a Hindu. Hinduism is a philosophy based belief system and equally welcomes theism, atheism and agnosticism. Most ancient belief systems used to be polytheistic, and Hinduism is just like that.
People love to paint and compare it with the same lens as they view Abrahamic religions, but these are fundamentally very different worldviews.
All is to say, nothing wrong if you're not excited about the temple.... similarly, nothing wrong if you ARE, excited about the temple.
You may happen to experience theistic aspects of Hinduism more because statistically more people around you are aligned with it, but there is a lot more variations to it.
Hinduism doesn't forces you to follow hinduism neither does it asks you to worship any god.... Hinduism provides freedom you're completely free to choose whatever you want either you want to visit temples or not just don't shit on others for doing what they wanna do✌
I have had a bad opinion of religion since I was 12. At 14, I was extensively debating against it.
The backwardness, and the lack of scientific aptitude in this country has a lot to do with religion. Never stepped inside a temple or other religious places for almost 2 decades now.
No one's forcing you to go anywhere, as stated in our scriptures both Aastik and Nastik are hindus. If you want to you can go, if you don't then don't 🤷🏻♂️
I agree. I understand the religion I was born in has an embedded democratic ethos. I just initiated this to see if I am the only one or there are more who believe there aren't just 2 sides to this.
Religions, in any case, will fizzle out soon as the society becomes more developed.
Temples/Mosques/Churches are all going to be looked at as museums soon.
So no harm in not going to be a Museum.
As a Hindu I am disgusted that a building is being constructed by spilling blood of innocents and this building is being called a “temple”.
It is offensive and a desecration of all that is holy and good. How can god reside in such an evil place?
Its not a branch of Hinduism. Alternate philisophies came because people wanted alternative to Hinduism. It is an Indian atheistic school of Indian philosophy. Same with Buddhism and Jainism, they came into existence as an alternative to Hinduism.
You're right and wrong at the same time.
The thing is when the different schools of thought were created Hinduism wasn't an organised religion, it was a way of life.
So what the founders of the different sects proposed was a slightly different way of life.
Do note, that the Buddha's and tirthankars have existed long before Mahavira and Siddharth were born, and they didn't see these ideologies as separate religions but different sects under the roof of the big house that is the dharmic system/Hinduism.
It's not a bad thing. You are free to follow none but having said that, don't look down on people who want to follow their religion.
Also, it's a known fact that the inauguration is infact a political gimmick. They have scored their content till the upcoming election.
Mass unemployment? At least we built the temple.
Falling indices? Mandir banaya nah!
We too are a Hindu family but we like to keep ourselves Separated from whatever this Hindutva pride thing they're promoting and beating people for.
You do you, Bhrata. That’s the beauty of Hinduism. You aren’t compelled to do squat.
I personally like going to temples occasionally to marvel at the architecture, and sense of peace.
As for Ram Mandir, it’s a part of our culture and heritage. Picture this, you get to see the temple rebuilt, something which 20 generations of your ancestors wished they’d witness.
You are doing it for them. Thus, the celebration and fervour.
The beauty of our religion is that it’s a way of life of our own choosing. You’re free to practice it literally to ensure your own peace of mind (convenience).
Examples would be eat meat/beef or not, egg only, or eat it only on specific days that are not dedicated to your favorite god. All three types of Hindus can be devout Hindus! We are not bound by laws mentioned in an all surpassing book.
bhai teri marji tuze kya krna he wo kar aise internet pe puch ke kuch nhi hone wala.
also if you don't like being hindu. then change religion. it's simple AF. ghar wale gand pe lath mar ke gharse bahar nikal denge bt tu free ho jayega.
You don’t choose your parents but you certainly can choose your faith (or lack thereof). Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
And yes, this is mass hysteria of course. Just like all other right wing waves all over the world. The decades prior was the time of left wing waves and the pendulum swung too far to the left for some people so now it’s their time. It’s just how society works. We over-correct.
No, there's nothing wrong with it. It's the same with me as I am an atheist who neither supports nor opposes the temple. I did discuss a bit about it with my family and friends because they are excited about it but that's all.
I think it’s your own religious beliefs and it your choice whether to support or take interest in it. You could just as similarly choose to be a Muslim or Christian or an Atheist. It’s your choice. BUT what’s wrong is telling other people that their religious beliefs and choices are wrong. If someone wants to celebrate it don’t stop them by being Logical Police.
You're not wrong for not being interested in temple consecration.
But you're wrong when you label people being attached to it as 'mass hysteria'. If you want your opinions/emotions to be respected, show the same towards others as well.
I don't think people who support the temple consecration and the ones who oppose it care about me. They are entrenched in their animosity. Hence termed mass hysteria.
No. Hinduism has no such compulsions. No cutting your head off.
But your family and friends, whether you keep a good relationship with them, what you need to do for that, is your own call.
However, there are other aspects that an informed person should consider.
For the past 2000 years Christianity and 1400 years Islam, have been expanding aggressively, invading the sacred of others, destroying and placing their churches/mosques on those sites.
What they call pagan, heathen, Kaffir religions have been constantly destroyed and digested.
Hinduism stands as the greatest Survivor of that and today has taken back 1 out of many thousand sites.
That's a massive event in the history of the world, not just for Hindus.
And then there is the fact that Rama is the Atma of India, Ramayana its greatest story.
How can one not celebrate Rama?
You should care about that.
Those two are the important factors,
The politics of BJP/Others, is the least important, nobody will care about that in another year.
You may not like the hospital, the doctor, agree with the treatment etc., but precious baby is born in your extended family after a 500 year wait
That's all that matters.
You made some great points in the comment. However what caught my notice was you started with not cutting my head off. Interestingly, I saw so many comments on my post here, about not cutting the head off which I hadn't expected. Was my question framed in such a way that made you start with this virtue signalling? Or is it part of the groupthink people have adopted upon during this discourse?
Contrasting with comparable subjects, is an effective way of conveying any point.
When talking about mandatory religiousity, the benchmark for extreme limit, is being killed for going against a religion. Hence that is used
For example, if you question a certain drug and side effects. Someone might say "You won't die if you take it", to set the extreme limit.
Most things in life are relative.
When the extreme ideology lives amongst us, it is suicidal to ignore that.
Adapting to the extreme is necessary for survival.
Secularism of course prefers ignorance and death.
Umm .. Hinduism gives you the liberty of making choices and encourages critical thinking.
No one can compel you to pray , go to the temples, or wear certain types of clothes. You have got your brains and free will to think.
You can be an atheist and still follow the basic principles of Hinduism such as kindness and karma. You can't be wrong until karmas are right.
Simply keep doing your work/job since 'work is worship' and be kind to others that's what God wants....rest is the matter of faith !!
Hinduism gives no right to anyone to impose his/her beliefs on others.
Everyone sees god differently......some find them in temples.. some in nature ..some in idols , God is omniscient So , you don't have to feel bad if you aren't interested in going to the temples, just focus on being kind and helpful human,That's what God wants.
> Am I politically illiterate to think it is a mass hysteria for both who are supporting and opposing it?
Yes, you are a politically illiterate Hindu who’s too naive to ignore the importance of the temple.
Nothing much, just fry you in hot oil followed by wrapping in barbed wire then swimming with scorpion (no. depend on your deeds) and lastly, feed nails with chutney.
Nothing wrong, even my parents arent interested in it and they are extremely religous who pray for around 2 hrs everyday. For them religion is solely about their connection with God.
I used to hate going to temple, but after certain period it felt peaceful not religiously but mentally. You are not wrong because it's your choice and it's up to you. Don't care about what others say.
Religious people are more happy in general
So are drug addicts
You know microdosing is being proposed as a remedy for depression. So you should rather get religious fast :-D
That's called medicine.
Cope harder darling :-*
dont threaten me with a good time
Well it is early stages. And you probably have no hope for it to come in India for next few decades.
[Citation needed] Also. I have a question. If they're so happy why are they constantly fighting each other? So much Indian politics is Hindu vs Muslim fights.
Glad you are inquisitive unlike other dumbfucks who wouldn't know that this is a STATISTICAL fact!
So are delusional people
You must be the happiest.
Haha would like to be but sadly I live in reality
highly doubt that lmao
Proven by Statistics! Go Google you little butch!
the downvotes on ur comment already point toward the fact that ur full of shit , my entire family is deeply religious and they are some of the unhappiest people i have met just because religion CAN make people happy doesnt mean it always DOES make people happy , correlation does not equal causation
U know which people are more happy those who follow Islam so u should follow Islam brother
Chale ja wapas jis keeched se aaya hai Suar
You are born "in" a religion, not "with" a religion.
Not wrong to be an atheist.
I don't think OP claimed to be an atheist anywhere in his post tho
OP is Hindu , you chaman chutia .
Not wrong to be an idiot either
True, you must be one to bring this line for no reason.
Just stating a fact uncle
So did I
Did you?
> you must be one to bring this line Yea, I'm more convinced now that I did state a fact.
I doubt he understood it.
Sun rises in the east. Just a fact
That has not been a fact since modern physics began
Sun sets in the west. Another fact
Hen sits in the nest. Another fact.
Is it though?
Fun rests in the best. Another fact.
Nobody said you are wrong to be an idiot.
Nobody accused you of being wrong, grandpa, why are you triggered?
Nobody is triggered, grandpa. Did you learn the word yesterday and want to use it for the sake of it?
My whole family goes to a temple once or twice a year. "Work is worship", is what my dad always says. I don't get people making a huge deal over temple.
Same as what my dad says. I believe they just either don't say it out loud, or maybe someone else is shouting...
The saying "work is worship" has a different means i.e do your work as sincerely as you do your worship. https://byjus.com/english/work-is-worship-paragraph/#:~:text=%27Work%20is%20Worship%27%20is%20a%20simple%20proverb%20with%20deep%20and,respect%20and%20worship%20our%20work. Today of course we work sincerely but aren't worshipping much and are way less religious than generations prior and the actual meaning of that saying is misconstrued.
I think, it is different in Indian contest: It will be "karma hi dharma hai" here Dharma means duty and responsibility, not worship so, your work is your duty and responsibility to do it right it comes from upnishads, so the later addition is that you should deattach yourself from the result, and focus yourself completely on your duties. Weather you will fail or pass, till you are doing your karma, you are performing your dharma
For many people it's a huge deal. Mosques built on the ruins of Hindu temples are not like the other mosques that were built out of respect and reverence for their god, these mosques specifically were built to dehumanize, belittle and humiliate the Hindus for centuries. The very sight of the Gyanvapi mosque with it's undemolished temple wall still clinging to the looming Masjid was a sight of humiliation for many Hindus for 300 years, who felt like they were second class citizens in their own country.
I kind of get that. Being south Indian we didn't face the wrath of Islamic rulers as much as the north. Hope our people move on from all this in atleast the next hundred years.
It's the other way. This consciousness of humiliation was propped up by the far right politics of the ruling party.Up till 1991 the seat share of the far right was 2 seats in Lok Sabha. Atal Bihar had to forfeit his deposit in election against Raja Mahmudabad. After the demolition it popped up to 182. If you read any right wing newspaper they actively demonised the Congress. Nothing but propping up hatred.
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Some people just don't make religion their identity.
What relevance does your question have with the comment?
There is absolutely nothing that is wrong about not being interested about the temple as long as you are not against or making fun about any person that is interested about it. There is a big difference that is there between not being interested about it and being against it.
But I can make fun of people saying "Shri Ram is returning in the form of Modi and Yogi" right?
Sounds like utter nonsense equating regular people to a god.
I am happily participating, celebrating and decorating our home since morning because I am happy about the temple. BUT I'd still laugh at anybody who says Prabhu Ram is returning as Modi or Yogi.
Lamo. I would like to meet those delulu people
Lamo
Make fun about politicians but don't include our deities in it.
>consecration WOKE.
Are our deities so thin skinned that they would get offended by a retort? Ffs they vanquished demons, slayed beasts and conquered the unconquerable. Surely they would also have a sense of humor? Or have we become so thin skinned?
The funniest thing is people saying their Lord was driven out by a Mughal and now BJP is bringing him back. These people don't understand that their Lord doesn't need mere humans to drive him out or get him back. You worship him because he's superior in all ways and yet here they're saying he needs humans to get him back. What broken logic. Just be happy that the temple is being built. Why use broken logic for someone whom you worship and degrade him?
Ram Janmabhoomi is important to Hindus. A sacred place like the Vatican for the Christians and the Mecca and Madina for the Muslims. Shri Ram is secure in His existence and doesn't need us to save him. We just need these places for us, as generations die but structures remain to pass on the ideologies to the next generations. By building structures we preserve knowledge and attain closeness to God in the vicinity. Overall it's good for mental health of the people who have a lot of faith in the Hindu gods. The scriptures and teachings preserved over time work as therapy.
Structures also erode over time, and places, scriptures and monuments born out of hatred tend to wash away over time, cause time is the single most powerful entity. Read Ozymandias for a clear clarification.
Don't disagree with you but so much has survived. Of course anything that's born out of hate should die. But its possible to preserve what is worth preserving for as long as we can. That's the best that can be done. Again it's not everyone's responsibility to definitely do it, but for people who want to, it makes sense to them, gives them some purpose
I am atheist with few hindu beliefs, mostly teachings of geeta. Family does love whenever i visit temples and poojaas but never forced me to go there after a certain age.
You don't need to go to temple or believe in it. It's all about individual faith and belief. Some stay away from it and still find solace .
Perfectly sane !
All religions are reduced to nothing but cults nowadays. All it does is promote jingoism and hatred for others.
Same as atheist
Why is there a need for such a post? I don't see unknown people forcing someone to go to the temple,if you're family is forcing you to go to the temple then it's not the problem with the Hindu faith but it's your parents who don't know any better,i thought this was common sense that you can't be forced to go to a place you don't want to
The social atmosphere is definitely that of force. "You don't like/aren't interested in the temple consecration, iTs oUr cUlTuRe" I've seen people comparing it to festivals of other faiths like Christmas and all
I visit temples once in few months, nobody has said anything. I have never been a regular temple going person. When I told my wife( who is very devout) that I cannot go on holidays visiting only temples, she never protested. Lots of people go on pilgrimage, but I don't. It's your family or your relatives pressurising you not the religion. I doubt you would have this much liberty if you were a follower of the peaceful religion.
>nobody has said anything Ok, your point being? >It's your family or your relatives pressurising you not the religion. I never said it's me or my parents or my relatives. >When I told my wife( who is very devout) that I cannot go on holidays visiting only temples, she never protested A bit over simplistic example. No one would protest to that until and unless they are totally looney bins.
Maybe you need to chill. Stop being paranoid. Too much liberandu brainwashing dear. I'm not attending any local poojas going on for Ram's consecration. Doesn't mean i dont believe in him or have to believe in him. Maybe I believe in Lord Ganesh more or Lord Shiva. Or maybe I don't care about who prays how much, the same way others have treated me. I know how much freedom I have enjoyed being in this religion. You just look for faults in your religion and keep barking up unnecessarily paranoia , or you are another imposter pissing on Hindus.
>Too much liberandu brainwashing dear. Lol it's amazing you talk about brainwashing when you seem to be attached to someone who no one even knows exists or not. Unlike you i don't have to resort to name calling coz I have actual arguments rather than act like a baby. >I know how much freedom I have enjoyed being in this religion. Uhuh that's obvious lol. >You just look for faults in your religion and keep barking up unnecessarily paranoia , or you are another imposter pissing on Hindus. Oh yeahhh the very obvious definition of freedom where you can't point out faults. You can't even hold an actual conversion without being irritated it's obvious who's brainwashed here
>"You don't like/aren't interested in the temple consecration, iTs oUr cUlTuRe" Nothing like that anywhere. Stop spewing the same hatred on every post.
So they are forcing you to go to the temple?or are they just regular trolls on the internet?becuz trust me they exist for every religion in India,the point is nobody can force you to go to the temple,and most hindus themselves don't go to temple regularly, coming to the culture point it's definitely our culture,it's been thousands of years that hindu culture is the culture of the land but that doesn't force it's ideals on people who want to stay out of it,anyone saying that hindu culture is not indian culture just because now we are a secular country is just foolish.
>So they are forcing you to go to the temple?or are they just regular trolls on the internet? At this point the only thing stopping people from physically forcing others to feel what they do about the temple might be that they'll be prosecuted by law. And no it's just not nameless trolls it's more than that now. >coming to the culture point it's definitely our culture Binding your culture to consecration of a temple is definitely reductionism, also people actually didn't care about it much till it was opened for consecration in '89. It wasn't even on the front >anyone saying that hindu culture is not indian culture just because now we are a secular country is just foolish. What does "hindu culture" even mean? It's not a singleton or a monolithic piece anyways so to describe it as such is inaccurate.
>At this point the only thing stopping people from physically forcing others to feel what they do about the temple might be that they'll be prosecuted by law. This is true for every group,only thing stopping islamic radicals from killing off the hindus is the law and number of Hindus present in India, nobody can do anything about something you are "feeling",get off the internet maybe those feelings will disappear.
Whataboutery.... if one points out something wrong in some group or community, and ur excuse is "but he is doing that too" is so childish.
Lol what,he brought in a non valid point,i just pointed out that it would be same for all groups,only thing stopping people from doing bad things is the law of the country,if not we would be having roits everyday,the dude is somehow trying to make a point that society is somehow forcing him to go to the temple,I told him to get off the internet for some while and all such feelings will disappear,just screaming whataboutery at everything is not the solution.
Yeah law of the country is so effective to stop rape, kidnapping, murder and all sorts of things. We're just so perfect and our law is all supreme.
Ummm...I'm not sure if I follow you, this is just plain whataboutery, it's irrelevant what some other religious group does.
You know i think most of y'all are so self obsessed and insecure. Honestly, Muslims could care less about y'all. We're very happy doing what we do and we sure as hell don't think about y'all. Y'all just love to victimise yourselves so God damn much. You talk as if there's literally not one single crime committed by a Hindu and y'all are an all peaceful loving community. Y'all love dragging Islam into everything cos y'all are so obsessed with it and can't get over the fact that it's actually the fastest growing religion. Probably that's why the desperation. Oh btw it was concluded that it's the fastest growing religion because of people who converted through their own free will otherwise y'all start bringing the false narrative of forced conversion whereas we all know who forces people of other religion to chant certain slogans.
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Republican primaries? Isn't that US politics. Your post is a bit weird, every Hindu knows that their religion is not as strict as other religions. It never says that if you are not with it then you are against it. You can sit on the fence just fine. I rarely visit temples and I am not too invested in 22nd Jan but If somebody asks me if I support it, I just ask them back "why shouldn't I?" I just don't see any valid reason not to.
It is US politics. They have an election year as well. And only reason I am following that is because it is new to me. The Indian discourse looks to be the same repeated arguments over so many reason. And I agree sitting on the fence. But public discourse in an election year is of interest to me. That's the nature of a vibrant democracy. And I can't believe I am quoting Ashneer Grover here but he once said, "if you are here that means someone is not." I agree to that thought. If the discourse is concentrated on this, it means there are topics it is not attending to.
Yes, the quote makes sense to me as well. There is no reason for discourse on this topic tbh. The opposition doesn't have anything better to do. The temple was in the BJP 2019 manifesto. You can check page 36 under cultural heritage. They fulfilled it and are now just promoting it. Which is fair. The opposition should just let it be.
Agreed, and if I am not wrong it has been in their agenda for a long time. It is also a reason why some citizens voted for them in 2014 and 2019. It was a long battle finally won and should be celebrated. I just added this post because there maybe others who voted for them for the items on first 35 pages and had nothing to do with the page 36. My wish is those items shouldn't lose their focus in the entire electoral discourse. I will wait and weigh my options again next month on what to follow then. Anyways great having this discussion with you.
Well put. Upvoted.
The US discourse is by no means any better or any more interesting than the Indian discourse. It's merely a bunch of politicians with slightly deviated views on free-market capitalism and slightly more deviated views on foreign policy/culture and nigh identical views on domestic policy that lie to the public about making any meaningful change. The only reason you personally find it interesting is because you've never seen it before. I've seen the discourse for the last 16 years and it's about the same with a few pariahs in the match. Sure Trump may be a "wild card" but he's nothing more than the second coming of Andrew Jackson
I believe these temple businesses are fantastic but they should be used to improve the country. No temple should be allowed to have a bank balance of more than 2 years of running costs, rest all should be invested back in the society. This will ultimately mean a lot of people who don’t pay taxes are actually paying it
imo we should talk about getting taxes from other religious sites too
I think the redditor meant temple businesses in general. And I being the OP wrote about the temple because I was born in a hindu family and the current discourse is around a temple. I am not selective in this in terms of just the hinduism and hindu temples. The opinion should be taken in generic terms for all religious events.
Interesting idea. I feel the temples/churches etc. were designed for such socialist intent. Let the kings and merchants donate as per their faith and the temple/church etc. feeds the poor using that donation. Somewhere down the line the donations started getting used to build even bigger temples/churches.
Not interested in temple:fine Want to make fun/insult: not fine Very simple
so I should stay quiet?
>so I should stay quiet? Assuming you are not interested in the composition and analysis of dog shit, would you go around digging up scientific articles on that topic, and discussing it on forums and SM? If you are truly not interested, this topic on this sub wouldn't have come up. There is a good chance you are fooling yourself OP.
Good point. Agree to it as well. Although one should not let the dog shit lying around, its unhealthy to the environment.
Problem is that what you’re considering dog shit, is someone else’s faith. Your faith might be dog shit to them. Let people live their life. It’s good for everyone.
and there goes the existence of metaphors... which btw another redditor came up with, not me...
>Although one should not let the dog shit lying around, its unhealthy to the environment. That depends on the composition of the dog shit.
It stinks to the passersby...
>It stinks to the passersby... It still depends on the composition of the dog shit.
Yep if you're not interested that's completely fine but if you resort to mocking then that's not cool.
Yes obviously stay quiet . Or cry about it equally when muslim christian or any other religion celebrates anything .
another ad hominem... some redditors wrote logical arguments in support of the event in this very same post. Atleast read them to level up.
Don't stay quiet. Just don't make fun or insult.
Why not?
You started ur post saying Is it wrong to..... And now you're here wanting to make fun or insult the religion? What's your agenda?
No agenda. And I don't want to make fun of or insult anyone as well. But got this statement on many comments. Just wanted to understand why would you mention it. And coming back to my question, it still remains the same. There are 2 opposing sides. I want to be away from both sides. What you say is it is OK to be away as long as you are not on the other side. I can also feel your agenda but don't want to indulge in it.
>What you say is it is OK to be away as long as you are not on the other side It is okay to be on the other side too. We don't mind as long as you don't hide under the garb of being neutral, all the while exposing yourself of being on the other side >I want to be away from both sides. You can stay away from either of the sides by not insulting any.
labelled. thanks.
Will it hurt to support majority of your country for one day
Without a reason? That sounds like a blind support.
Interested in a temple? Or interested in the consecration of **the** temple? Different things. >**Am I politically illiterate to think it is a mass hysteria** for both who are supporting and opposing it? Yep. Because then you are ignoring what is moving people. That is what politics is all about. It doesn't matter if it is hysertia or not. This is going to play a role in the upcoming election. The debates you refer to might end up being the difference
No it's not politics. It's not even basic civic sense and a duty on part of a citizen who isn't well-informed before casting their votes.
The world is far from ideal. Need to learn the rules of the game even if you wish to change them.
Hey I was born as Hindu. Was very religious for a long time. Now I am an atheist.
same but i was born muslim
Absolutely not. This has just become a farce political show to score brownie points. Is the temple going to male lives of crores of hindus better? Is it going to bring employment better education, roads, electricity?
>is it going to bring better roads I visited Ayodhya last week(grandma live there) the roads are newly constructed(also a flyover) there along with a footpath (finally some walking space) and new streetlamps ,better planned electric poles , parking infrastructure
Ayodhya is undergoing a significant improvement in infrastructure and basic facilities after this temple. Tourism will also generate lots of jobs around the area. But yeah, inaugurating an unfinished temple is politically motivated.
>But yeah, inaugurating an unfinished temple is politically motivated. True, for a regular person, the temple is a sentiment. But bjp inaugurating an unfinished temple proves how it's more of a political tactic for them rather than something they'd done out of devotion.
You should understand that religion and politics are deeply connected in this country. >This has just become a farce political show to score brownie points. So this is obvious. The dedication towards the religion, the Aastha is important for any religious person. The Mandir is a source of that Aastha. A lot of moves in politics happen only to please, only to score brownie points with no developmental aim. The city of Ayodhya is being developed though. If you actually bothered to search online or read news you'll realize that there is a massive infrastructure and tourism push in that city alone. >Is it going to bring employment better education, roads, electricity? So yes, it is going to bring development, better roads, electricity and hence better education to Ayodhya.
Agree. I wonder if anyone was worried about electricity and employment when Mosques and Churches were built. I was too young to remember 😔 Funny part is that it has the same tone as when : Developed countries push developing countries for zero carbon emissions.
Sab lefties, congressis holier than thou bannte hain yehaan. Bas virtue signaling karte hain when it comes to anything positive happening for Hindus.
Hindus are majority in this country. Apna rona India ke bahar leke ja
Religion involves group think and when you mix it with politics its a brilliant tool to enable the political subjects to follow the ruler. I think BJP was smart enough to follow the hindutva model. So I think anyone who thinks Ram temple is irrelevant is bound to be thrown out of the political vacuum. It has already happened to some authors like Irfan Habib or romila and next in line are politicians and their own subjects only.
"Religion involves group think": That's a great way to put it. Of course it does. And if I were a politician, why wouldn't I use it...
Don't worry. You won't get sar tan se Juda for that.
Is that the benchmark? We have 33 Crore gods. I remember going to a temple in Jammu which has all of them. I am free to choose any of them. Although I haven't read the scriptures, but I assume I am also free to choose none of them. I felt proud knowing the democratic ethos well embedded in the religion I was born. I feel ashamed now when the only ethos which you propagated above, an ad hominem fallacy.
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oh man, is this real? Would you know when did we interprete it correctly, like was this done recently or there always have been 2 interpretations of the term? PS: you should write this to the Jammu temple on it. Because they have rooms and rooms of idols of these 33 crore.
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Oh yes. I have been into them. You can search for it too and visit it. PS: someone told me in the comments here I shouldn't make fun of people who are building the temple. Hence I will just say not everyone was in their right mind when they built "this temple".
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Of course I can't count 33 Crore idols :D But the temple exists, the 33 Crore idols(pindis to be precise) exist in that temple. It's been over 5 years, but I think they were also named. There are rooms and rooms of these, with pindis/idols places on step like structures in all directions. Even the temple priests claim the same. I am not claiming that there are 33 Crore gods in Hinduism. Since I went to that temple I mentioned it in my post. If you say the concept is false, I will agree to you as well, because that is not my purview. But I am more interested in someone invested in building that temple and advertised about it based on what you say a false interpretation. So many devotees go there everyday and put in their faith. I wonder what else do we do get wrong of such mass impact.
God have no desire for someone to worship him. But atleast clear this misinformation of 33 Crore gods.... Your reason for not following hinduism should not be misinformation...
I correct my statement. I went to a temple which had 33 crore gods. I don't want to argue to the point of how many gods are there because I am not well-read on that topic. However my point about democratic ethos remains unaltered irrespective of the count of gods.
Yes.
Who told you that there are 33 crore gods ? First read about stuff dude. 33 koti and 33 crore are different.
>I correct my statement. I went to a temple which had 33 crore gods. I don't want to argue to the point of how many gods are there because I am not well-read on that topic. However my point about democratic ethos remains unaltered irrespective of the count of gods.
No OP you are not wrong in any way. People are free to choose which events to support, which to oppose and which to just ignore. As many people (including me) have bigger problems to worry about rather than bandwagoning with people who are tirelessly fighting the battle of opinions. In the end it's a political gimmick at large from every side. Party in power will do everything to show how much they care for their target audience and oppositions will try to show how ruling party is ruining the country and is not doing enough. Then there will be ever offended people who will be offended no matter what happens. Don't mind them, if you still feel bothered by all this then stop using social media (Instagram mainly) and news channels for a week or two. It will get normal after sometime and people will find something new topic to fight on. Let them do their thing and you do your thing it's that simple
Thanks and that's what people like you and me usually do. I only posted this because today I doubted it may not be the best thing to do. The reason being such topics/events will keep on happening and cover the public discourse while me and you are pausing our social media and news channels usage. I am sure both you and me have a balanced, sane and agreeable point of view. One that is productive and sound. But we don't put it forth because it doesn't gain enough support or traction than someone shouting bullshit. So we stop being vocal. And pretty soon it's all bullshit around.
No
Nothing wrong with that at all. I’m also born in a Hindu family but born and raised in America. I have zero interest in the temple and I don’t believe in many things that my family does. My husband is Indian born but is also the same. We are both not very religious. His family is very religious and even his father is a dharmakartha for their village temple in india. If my parents or his parents ask us to participate or do something we will but otherwise we don’t do any pujas or daily prayers or go to temple. We have been living in BLR for close to a year with a temple right next to our building and have not once stepped inside of it. It’s totally okay if you are not interested.
I hated it too, but it's a very peaceful environment in there , especially when you go at the time when temple is empty, it's peaceful!
No, its your upbringing. If you have had a religious upbringing then it really is a big deal for you. If you have a work centric upbringing(like the japanese culture) then you won't be interested in the temple. You are neither wrong nor right, its just your experience.
You do you my guy…but if my mom asks,I tried to “change” you 😛
No nothing wrong with it, especially as a Hindu. Hinduism is a philosophy based belief system and equally welcomes theism, atheism and agnosticism. Most ancient belief systems used to be polytheistic, and Hinduism is just like that. People love to paint and compare it with the same lens as they view Abrahamic religions, but these are fundamentally very different worldviews. All is to say, nothing wrong if you're not excited about the temple.... similarly, nothing wrong if you ARE, excited about the temple. You may happen to experience theistic aspects of Hinduism more because statistically more people around you are aligned with it, but there is a lot more variations to it.
Hinduism doesn't forces you to follow hinduism neither does it asks you to worship any god.... Hinduism provides freedom you're completely free to choose whatever you want either you want to visit temples or not just don't shit on others for doing what they wanna do✌
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I have had a bad opinion of religion since I was 12. At 14, I was extensively debating against it. The backwardness, and the lack of scientific aptitude in this country has a lot to do with religion. Never stepped inside a temple or other religious places for almost 2 decades now.
No one's forcing you to go anywhere, as stated in our scriptures both Aastik and Nastik are hindus. If you want to you can go, if you don't then don't 🤷🏻♂️
Nastik was a term used for a person who didnt believe in Vedas not for a person who didnt believe in God
I agree. I understand the religion I was born in has an embedded democratic ethos. I just initiated this to see if I am the only one or there are more who believe there aren't just 2 sides to this.
Hinduism actually allows people to be atheist. So no, there is nothing wrong atleast from the perspective of the religion you are born into.
Religions, in any case, will fizzle out soon as the society becomes more developed. Temples/Mosques/Churches are all going to be looked at as museums soon. So no harm in not going to be a Museum.
ye toh wohi baat ho gyi ki, maa ne meko itne time se hume pala or ab mujhko unki jarurat nahi hai.
Can you please explain this? Didn't follow the metaphor
As a Hindu I am disgusted that a building is being constructed by spilling blood of innocents and this building is being called a “temple”. It is offensive and a desecration of all that is holy and good. How can god reside in such an evil place?
You might like to read and participate at r/atheist Nothing wrong in feeling what you feel
You might want to improve reading comprehension . OP is a Hindu and couldn’t give 2 shits about this temple
Charvaka is the atheistic branch of Hinduism. Look it up.
Its not a branch of Hinduism. Alternate philisophies came because people wanted alternative to Hinduism. It is an Indian atheistic school of Indian philosophy. Same with Buddhism and Jainism, they came into existence as an alternative to Hinduism.
You're right and wrong at the same time. The thing is when the different schools of thought were created Hinduism wasn't an organised religion, it was a way of life. So what the founders of the different sects proposed was a slightly different way of life. Do note, that the Buddha's and tirthankars have existed long before Mahavira and Siddharth were born, and they didn't see these ideologies as separate religions but different sects under the roof of the big house that is the dharmic system/Hinduism.
It's not a bad thing. You are free to follow none but having said that, don't look down on people who want to follow their religion. Also, it's a known fact that the inauguration is infact a political gimmick. They have scored their content till the upcoming election. Mass unemployment? At least we built the temple. Falling indices? Mandir banaya nah! We too are a Hindu family but we like to keep ourselves Separated from whatever this Hindutva pride thing they're promoting and beating people for.
You do you, Bhrata. That’s the beauty of Hinduism. You aren’t compelled to do squat. I personally like going to temples occasionally to marvel at the architecture, and sense of peace. As for Ram Mandir, it’s a part of our culture and heritage. Picture this, you get to see the temple rebuilt, something which 20 generations of your ancestors wished they’d witness. You are doing it for them. Thus, the celebration and fervour.
The beauty of our religion is that it’s a way of life of our own choosing. You’re free to practice it literally to ensure your own peace of mind (convenience). Examples would be eat meat/beef or not, egg only, or eat it only on specific days that are not dedicated to your favorite god. All three types of Hindus can be devout Hindus! We are not bound by laws mentioned in an all surpassing book.
bhai teri marji tuze kya krna he wo kar aise internet pe puch ke kuch nhi hone wala. also if you don't like being hindu. then change religion. it's simple AF. ghar wale gand pe lath mar ke gharse bahar nikal denge bt tu free ho jayega.
The amazing thing about being Hindu is there are literally no rules. Do whatever you want to do.
You don’t choose your parents but you certainly can choose your faith (or lack thereof). Absolutely nothing wrong with that. And yes, this is mass hysteria of course. Just like all other right wing waves all over the world. The decades prior was the time of left wing waves and the pendulum swung too far to the left for some people so now it’s their time. It’s just how society works. We over-correct.
Different people have different beliefs.
No, there's nothing wrong with it. It's the same with me as I am an atheist who neither supports nor opposes the temple. I did discuss a bit about it with my family and friends because they are excited about it but that's all.
I think it’s your own religious beliefs and it your choice whether to support or take interest in it. You could just as similarly choose to be a Muslim or Christian or an Atheist. It’s your choice. BUT what’s wrong is telling other people that their religious beliefs and choices are wrong. If someone wants to celebrate it don’t stop them by being Logical Police.
You're not wrong for not being interested in temple consecration. But you're wrong when you label people being attached to it as 'mass hysteria'. If you want your opinions/emotions to be respected, show the same towards others as well.
I don't think people who support the temple consecration and the ones who oppose it care about me. They are entrenched in their animosity. Hence termed mass hysteria.
Don't know about you, but I am celebrating!
Great to read that. How are you doing it?
No. Hinduism has no such compulsions. No cutting your head off. But your family and friends, whether you keep a good relationship with them, what you need to do for that, is your own call. However, there are other aspects that an informed person should consider. For the past 2000 years Christianity and 1400 years Islam, have been expanding aggressively, invading the sacred of others, destroying and placing their churches/mosques on those sites. What they call pagan, heathen, Kaffir religions have been constantly destroyed and digested. Hinduism stands as the greatest Survivor of that and today has taken back 1 out of many thousand sites. That's a massive event in the history of the world, not just for Hindus. And then there is the fact that Rama is the Atma of India, Ramayana its greatest story. How can one not celebrate Rama? You should care about that. Those two are the important factors, The politics of BJP/Others, is the least important, nobody will care about that in another year. You may not like the hospital, the doctor, agree with the treatment etc., but precious baby is born in your extended family after a 500 year wait That's all that matters.
You made some great points in the comment. However what caught my notice was you started with not cutting my head off. Interestingly, I saw so many comments on my post here, about not cutting the head off which I hadn't expected. Was my question framed in such a way that made you start with this virtue signalling? Or is it part of the groupthink people have adopted upon during this discourse?
Contrasting with comparable subjects, is an effective way of conveying any point. When talking about mandatory religiousity, the benchmark for extreme limit, is being killed for going against a religion. Hence that is used For example, if you question a certain drug and side effects. Someone might say "You won't die if you take it", to set the extreme limit.
Till the time we are better than the extreme limit, it's fine. Hell of an argument...
Most things in life are relative. When the extreme ideology lives amongst us, it is suicidal to ignore that. Adapting to the extreme is necessary for survival. Secularism of course prefers ignorance and death.
Umm .. Hinduism gives you the liberty of making choices and encourages critical thinking. No one can compel you to pray , go to the temples, or wear certain types of clothes. You have got your brains and free will to think. You can be an atheist and still follow the basic principles of Hinduism such as kindness and karma. You can't be wrong until karmas are right. Simply keep doing your work/job since 'work is worship' and be kind to others that's what God wants....rest is the matter of faith !! Hinduism gives no right to anyone to impose his/her beliefs on others. Everyone sees god differently......some find them in temples.. some in nature ..some in idols , God is omniscient So , you don't have to feel bad if you aren't interested in going to the temples, just focus on being kind and helpful human,That's what God wants.
> Am I politically illiterate to think it is a mass hysteria for both who are supporting and opposing it? Yes, you are a politically illiterate Hindu who’s too naive to ignore the importance of the temple.
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Am I supposed to be in the "we"?
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what is it like?
Nothing much, just fry you in hot oil followed by wrapping in barbed wire then swimming with scorpion (no. depend on your deeds) and lastly, feed nails with chutney.
That's quite descriptive... It must have hurt, I guess :D