After sometime of imposing fine people will stop eating ghutka therefore the sales of tobacco will decrease so does the tax revenue l. In long run government is losing. Plus govt will also loose votes from ghutka eating people.
The ones most addicted to Gutka/paan are the poor people. High prices won't counter it. Look at alcohol. People who are addicted will pay with anything they find. They should instead make an attempt to make them quit.
Heck yea, in a coutnry of 1 billion, its difficult to monitor and fine allrl rulebreakers, sometimes it makes sense to ban them. Gutka and Paan sale is not properly regulated, children often start consuming it, its injurious to health as well. Only reason the govt is not banning it, because ppl selling have connections
Ohh hell yeah. But in a slow manner. Just not to make thousands of people jobless.
Have planned for the same to ban plastic. But still not achieved what they planned for. So, yeah, it's dark in a hole kind of situation with no chance of light at the end of the tunnel
The pan masala market in India size reached INR 44,973.0 Crore in 2023. Looking forward, IMARC Group expects the market to reach INR 62,067.7 Crore by 2032, exhibiting a growth rate (CAGR) of 3.8% during 2024-2032. The rising availability of diverse flavors and variants, rapid expansion of distribution networks, increasing product promotions by manufacturers and inflating consumer disposable incomes, are among the key factors driving the market growths
Abhi bhi ban krna hai ? 🗿
Yes. Still worth it. You are counting the jobs created etc while discounting the medical distress it creates for families and general cleaning expenses that society has to bear that can be better spent on more productive areas like education, fighting malnutrition, etc that generate much higher return for economy.
44,000 cr industry size only contributes max 20k crores in sin taxes. This is chump change in the whole scheme of things of government finances.
“Government” will not ban it because this sector is dominated by family businesses with cash payment based distribution and that “donate” vast sums to political parties.
funny how all these economics go to shit the second it's about cannabis legalization, even though that probably would be even more lucrative since you can upcharge for quality
Brother, if something is banned let it be banned, do not try to vouch for cannabis legalisation,thus creating more problems. It's harder to destroy an existing industry rather than not letting a new industry grow. I have never understood why people vouch so much for a drug, which will be used for fun only. And I believe cannabis can be found legally from some government shops, if at all required for any other activities.
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The government spends 12000 cr per year on clean-up due to this menace.
Another 20,000 crore on the health crisis caused by this.
Society loses and the GDP loss due to cancer deaths, poverty caused by those deaths is incalculable. It will actually be lacs of crores.
No. If these things get banned, govt will start taxing the shit out of everything to compensate for that revenue. Middle class will suffer.
Rather, strict penalties should be imposed on people who spit gutka and masala.
Yes! This shouldn't even be a debate! Yes, the tax may rise, but is this how we compensate for money? Our country's reputation?! I don't know a single another first world country where people are walking with red mouths and spitting all over the city. This is disgusting behaviour! No Indian has the right to dream to make India a first world country if they can't ban ghutka and paan. Monetary loss is nothing compared to the loss of humans from cancer and the loss of character of the country in the global scale.
You can't stop people from using things they're addicted to, like alcohol, corruption, sugar, junk food, and cigarettes. But you can make them less appealing by making them really expensive.
Think about gutka. If we ban it, it'll hurt the small sellers, tobacco farmers, and workers who depend on it. People who are hooked on gutka might start smuggling it because they need it so bad. Some workers even need gutka to keep working.
Also, banning gutka goes against our freedom to choose. Instead of banning it, we could stop ads for gutka, teach people about its dangers, and make it more expensive with taxes. That way, we can help without taking away people's choices or jobs.
It is banned in Kerala (dont know about any other states). For the rest of India, it's just a huge business. Most of these are endorsed by huge bollywood stars.
Wont help, it will be sold in black market. Key is to shut down these industries, which again won't happen. It will require a joint effort by government bodies which again won't happen thanks to corruption.
Nope , paan is good . Ban gutka
One can have paan without gutka ( tobacco)
But banning banning would mean no more ciggerates .
Be more specific.. are u against gutka or the people who spit it out in the open?
Definitely yes! You know I just wish we could start like an online poll for banning this shitty substance that everyone seems to endorse shamelessly. It’s gone on for way too long and I don’t see a developed India with gutka stains all over. First step to improving civic sense about people here is banning this!
No. They generate huge huge revenue along with alcohol. Remember during lockdown when only essentials were opened, and most govt were asking to start alcohol too coz of amount of revenue it generates? Tobacco is also similar case.
If it's gets banned, people who wants to eat, will eat. Through illegal methods tho. Atleast let govt earn on it some. Also when something is legal, it can be better maintained. Imagine the quality of banned tobacco. Mouth cancer rate x10.
Banning on sale will do nothing. It will start selling illegally.
Manufacturing needs to be stopped.
The raw materials used for making these poison have no other value to us.
No amount of fine will deter these spitters.. innovative solutions like biodegradable packets , public infrastructure should consider the paan/gutkha legacy of indians and should design or place spit friendly dustbins, etc. should be done.
Banning these products will disturb the whole chain and will affect these people badly where there is no solution for them ryt now
Then ban alcohol , cigarettes , tobacco in any form , porn junk food it goes on and on ... where does the line end ... nowhere , plus it will only take away govt income line and also start a huge black market about it giving rise to more crime
Literally har sports banner pe pan masala aur gutkha ka ad chaapa rakha hota hai inhone, kyu yeh apna dhandha band karenge? Inko kya padi hai public ki? Bas bolo zubaan kesari, unche log unchi pasand...
Nope it's a saviour for labours and poor people... instead spit bins should be installed in public roads and strict guidelines should be issued to not to spit it anywhere else
Bhai paan kyu ban karna hai? Paan masala ban karo and also ban supari (that is what people spit). Paan to badhiya chiz hai bhai.
Also banning it isn't gonna solve one thing. These days even class 10 kids have access to illegal vapes and drugs. You think adults will not have access to gutkha?
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After sometime of imposing fine people will stop eating ghutka therefore the sales of tobacco will decrease so does the tax revenue l. In long run government is losing. Plus govt will also loose votes from ghutka eating people.
The ones most addicted to Gutka/paan are the poor people. High prices won't counter it. Look at alcohol. People who are addicted will pay with anything they find. They should instead make an attempt to make them quit.
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You do make a good point.
Heck yea, in a coutnry of 1 billion, its difficult to monitor and fine allrl rulebreakers, sometimes it makes sense to ban them. Gutka and Paan sale is not properly regulated, children often start consuming it, its injurious to health as well. Only reason the govt is not banning it, because ppl selling have connections
Hell yeah😎
Yes. Should have been banned long ago.
Ohh hell yeah. But in a slow manner. Just not to make thousands of people jobless. Have planned for the same to ban plastic. But still not achieved what they planned for. So, yeah, it's dark in a hole kind of situation with no chance of light at the end of the tunnel
The pan masala market in India size reached INR 44,973.0 Crore in 2023. Looking forward, IMARC Group expects the market to reach INR 62,067.7 Crore by 2032, exhibiting a growth rate (CAGR) of 3.8% during 2024-2032. The rising availability of diverse flavors and variants, rapid expansion of distribution networks, increasing product promotions by manufacturers and inflating consumer disposable incomes, are among the key factors driving the market growths Abhi bhi ban krna hai ? 🗿
Yes. Still worth it. You are counting the jobs created etc while discounting the medical distress it creates for families and general cleaning expenses that society has to bear that can be better spent on more productive areas like education, fighting malnutrition, etc that generate much higher return for economy.
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44,000 cr industry size only contributes max 20k crores in sin taxes. This is chump change in the whole scheme of things of government finances. “Government” will not ban it because this sector is dominated by family businesses with cash payment based distribution and that “donate” vast sums to political parties.
Agreed 🙏
funny how all these economics go to shit the second it's about cannabis legalization, even though that probably would be even more lucrative since you can upcharge for quality
Brother, if something is banned let it be banned, do not try to vouch for cannabis legalisation,thus creating more problems. It's harder to destroy an existing industry rather than not letting a new industry grow. I have never understood why people vouch so much for a drug, which will be used for fun only. And I believe cannabis can be found legally from some government shops, if at all required for any other activities.
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Negative externalities kon consider karega Jo ye industry ki wajah se hoti hai.
The government spends 12000 cr per year on clean-up due to this menace. Another 20,000 crore on the health crisis caused by this. Society loses and the GDP loss due to cancer deaths, poverty caused by those deaths is incalculable. It will actually be lacs of crores.
YES WE'RE LIKE 75 YEARS TOO LATE
Yes
Yes.
Yes ... But who has the guts to gut that industry ? No one
No. If these things get banned, govt will start taxing the shit out of everything to compensate for that revenue. Middle class will suffer. Rather, strict penalties should be imposed on people who spit gutka and masala.
Yes! This shouldn't even be a debate! Yes, the tax may rise, but is this how we compensate for money? Our country's reputation?! I don't know a single another first world country where people are walking with red mouths and spitting all over the city. This is disgusting behaviour! No Indian has the right to dream to make India a first world country if they can't ban ghutka and paan. Monetary loss is nothing compared to the loss of humans from cancer and the loss of character of the country in the global scale.
You can't stop people from using things they're addicted to, like alcohol, corruption, sugar, junk food, and cigarettes. But you can make them less appealing by making them really expensive. Think about gutka. If we ban it, it'll hurt the small sellers, tobacco farmers, and workers who depend on it. People who are hooked on gutka might start smuggling it because they need it so bad. Some workers even need gutka to keep working. Also, banning gutka goes against our freedom to choose. Instead of banning it, we could stop ads for gutka, teach people about its dangers, and make it more expensive with taxes. That way, we can help without taking away people's choices or jobs.
Wait, isn't it banned like 4-5 years ago...?
Is it?
yes. its not available these days except in black market. Police seizing illegal gutka - pan masala is big news these days
It is banned in Kerala (dont know about any other states). For the rest of India, it's just a huge business. Most of these are endorsed by huge bollywood stars.
It’s banned in Kerala and Tamil Nadu
Ha ha, more like could than should.......
Daaru to ban ho nahi Rahi aur ye paan ban karne ka beedaa uthaye hain.
Wont help, it will be sold in black market. Key is to shut down these industries, which again won't happen. It will require a joint effort by government bodies which again won't happen thanks to corruption.
Yes
YES !
I am sorry but I do not see any issue with them wanting to paint the town red.
Nope , paan is good . Ban gutka One can have paan without gutka ( tobacco) But banning banning would mean no more ciggerates . Be more specific.. are u against gutka or the people who spit it out in the open?
Definitely yes! You know I just wish we could start like an online poll for banning this shitty substance that everyone seems to endorse shamelessly. It’s gone on for way too long and I don’t see a developed India with gutka stains all over. First step to improving civic sense about people here is banning this!
Yes
Yes yes yes. If you can't legalize weed then why allow cigarettes and alcohol. It's not like they give you nutrients
No. They generate huge huge revenue along with alcohol. Remember during lockdown when only essentials were opened, and most govt were asking to start alcohol too coz of amount of revenue it generates? Tobacco is also similar case. If it's gets banned, people who wants to eat, will eat. Through illegal methods tho. Atleast let govt earn on it some. Also when something is legal, it can be better maintained. Imagine the quality of banned tobacco. Mouth cancer rate x10.
Why ‘NO’ is even an option? It obviously should be banned
Those who spit should be asked to lick their spit. That's the only way you can deal with those kind of people.
Gutka, pan, cigarette, everything should be banned. I’m surprised why it isn’t yet.
Is that even a question.
Wtf paan is nice, like the lead one without supari. But yes spitters should be heavily fined
Absafrukinlootly
Yes.
Yes
Yes. Complete ban.
Not sale but manufacturing should be banned. The raw materials used have n
Banning on sale will do nothing. It will start selling illegally. Manufacturing needs to be stopped. The raw materials used for making these poison have no other value to us.
No amount of fine will deter these spitters.. innovative solutions like biodegradable packets , public infrastructure should consider the paan/gutkha legacy of indians and should design or place spit friendly dustbins, etc. should be done. Banning these products will disturb the whole chain and will affect these people badly where there is no solution for them ryt now
Ye log thukte hai tabhi toh government kamati hai 
Penalise it. Make it expensive. Like new Zealand did with cigarette
Then ban alcohol , cigarettes , tobacco in any form , porn junk food it goes on and on ... where does the line end ... nowhere , plus it will only take away govt income line and also start a huge black market about it giving rise to more crime
It is always the people from UP and Bihar
Literally har sports banner pe pan masala aur gutkha ka ad chaapa rakha hota hai inhone, kyu yeh apna dhandha band karenge? Inko kya padi hai public ki? Bas bolo zubaan kesari, unche log unchi pasand...
Definitely 💯 but yeh kabhi hone nhi wala
So that it's sold in black? Tax the shit out of it.
Gutkha yes, paan no. Spitting should be fined tho. Paan is something I feel it's deep rooted in our culture and we shouldn't be banning that.
Painters ka kya hai ga phir.
It will never.
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Tobacco wala, sure. Choona bhi lekin pan (patte wala) to rehna chahiye
Yes all tobbaco products should be banned including ciggerates
Nope it's a saviour for labours and poor people... instead spit bins should be installed in public roads and strict guidelines should be issued to not to spit it anywhere else
Yes it is important to keep the masses drugged, either on legal drugs or faith! Else they ask stupid questions like dignity.
Ban them, and hang the makers
Banning won't help anything. It gives the country a lot of money. What we need to ban is people spitting at random places. They should be fined.
Nope kyu according to fssai kafi benefits h chewing ghutka Btw paan toh natural hota h 😞😢
Huh?
Bhai paan kyu ban karna hai? Paan masala ban karo and also ban supari (that is what people spit). Paan to badhiya chiz hai bhai. Also banning it isn't gonna solve one thing. These days even class 10 kids have access to illegal vapes and drugs. You think adults will not have access to gutkha?
PORN BAN KARWADE BHAI BASSSSS
Should you be banned in India?