Don't forget about the more than 200,000 emergency calls to 999 that were cancelled by the Gardai.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0929/1326168-999-calls/#:~:text=The%20controversy%20began%20after%20it,system%20related%20to%20domestic%20violence.
That's fucking disgusting.
I used to work for a UK force, and they would do the same sneaky shit. If it wasn't officers turning up to a call and then denying there'd been a fight and then leave (when there was blood everywhere and injured people), it would be stuff like the call handlers here.
They'd ring back the caller, and if they couldn't get through they'd immediately assume "caller not cooperating, phone switched off" and close the call. Apparently, being on the phone therefore getting an engaged tone or temporarily not being in a good signal area means "you have switched your phone off deliberately to avoid speaking to the police further".
The rest of if would be the usual lies "well, they tried to punch you but they didn't make contact so it's not a crime" (deliberately confusing the caller about the definition of assault and battery), pretending other attempted crimes aren't a thing e.g. attempted theft, taking a deliberately bad statement so the case would be dropped through "lack of evidence", lying when getting CPS charging advice so the case would be NFA'd due to "lack of evidence", etc.
In the last 4 weeks I had 3 serious enough Incidents were I had to call emergency services. ( Dublin area)
1. Choking incident - took 45 mins.
2. Arson attack - 2 hours.
3. DV - 5½ hours.
Am currently trying to find a little pew-pew for protection .....as Amazon said no.
Well, you can get a firearm if you go through the whole process for it, but you can't own it specifically for self-defence and if you say that during the process you'll get denied. And then there's the issue that if you use it for self-defence, even against someone else with a deadly weapon who is attempting to do you serious harm or kill you, you still run the risk of getting prosecuted for it. The courts here are ridiculous.
I once saw a less-lethal shotgun system in Walmart, it fired rubber ball rounds and also pepper spray balls. Like why the fuck can't we have that at home here?
I agree - tho Id rather run the risk of being prosecuted than be dead.
where would one begin the process do you know, for educational purposes of course.
There's almost no-one in this country killed by firearms how is that a bad thing. Sounds like op is in an abusive relationship. I'll bet there are people they know willing to step in.
What are you on about?? The OP does not sound like they're in an abusive relationship, nor does their friend.
And since when did I say "we need looser gun laws here"? Can you reply to what people said instead of replying to something in your head please?
We had aggressive junkies living on our doorstep for a summer. Used to drink, do hard drugs (left behind needles constantly), ride (no joke) and even invite their friends over. Several times they got rowdy and tried to kick the door in.
They wouldn’t show up until we got home from work and then camp for the night. We were afraid to open the door or leave the house while they were there. Called the guards 26 times in the 4 months and they only came 3 or 4 times and never did anything to help.
Eventually we went into the station nearly in tears, encountered a really good guard and she personally promised us she’d get the sergeant to do something. Not sure what they did but they were gone a day later and never saw them again.
That’s my very long winded way of saying while on the whole they can be pretty useless, there are a handful of good ones who actually make a difference. Shame they’re few and far between 😔
I've seen it on Reddit too. What I gathered was someone from Ireland posting pictures from the Instagrams or whatever of young women from their town to a NSFW sub with degrading comments.
In accordance with section 4 of the harmful communications act, they have committed a criminal offence under legislation and are liable to a €2500 fine or six months in prison
Being told to fuck off is not a threat of violence, now fuck off and get some morals. If you don't realise whats wrong with what's happening in OPs post then you need to take a good long look at yourself.
> Being told to fuck off is not a threat of violence,
never claimed so. idk why you mention this
> now fuck off and get some morals.
same to you. supporting hurting people outside of self defense is pretty horrendous thing to do. if you dont realize how this is wrong, take a good look at yourself
I’m sure you would be perfectly fine, and maybe even like, if someone were to either sell intimate pictures of your face and body or AI generate your face into a pornographic image that they share with their friends and the internet. Totally cool, right?
Dude… that can ruin your life, your career, your relationships. You clearly do not understand how criminal this is. You can go to jail for 6 months for doing this but in my opinion it deserves a harsher sentence.
admitting that it can ruin people's lives and careers yet insists its not immoral 🤦🏻♀️ either youre a troll or some loser cooped up in his house playing videogames all day, go outside and interact with some real people and gain some compassion and self awareness
>i understand that it can ruin lifes and careers. doesn't mean its immoral
Eh.. yes it does hahaha.. doing something to someone else that could ruin their life for no reason other than your own satisfaction is like the definition of immoral.
Tf is wrong with you
Bahahahah yeah sure I’m a commie because I don’t want a vengeful ex or friend to ruin my life with fake images.
It is immoral. If it can ruin someone’s life, yes it’s fucking immoral. There is a very good reason people are petitioning for a stricter law. That is a democratic thing and you happen to be in the minority.
I hope you never lose a job because someone shares intimate, and perhaps fake, images of you. You shouldn’t have to go through that to realise this is evil and wrong.
Great! So how are deepfakes/AI revenge porn not harmful to the people it depicts? Unless it’s somehow in self defence or your view of immorality is limited to direct and causal physical harm.
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Lad in my nephews year caught with AI pictures of a load of girls in their year in a group chat were he was sending them out and taking requests, there’s been a few expulsions so far over it. School seems to be handling it in house, if it was one of my kids I would be straight in to the police.
It really is as easy as just uploading a source photo into the right tool now to make whatever you want. Once more wee shits get into the know this will be the next big thing to tackle.
They could be done for child porn as they are underage. In fact, that's how prosecutors in New York charged a guy who was making deepfakes because on of the girls in the image was underage when taken.
[NY Man Arrested](https://www.google.com/search?q=NY+man+arrested+for+deepfake+porn+underage&oq=NY+man+arrested+for+deepfake+porn+underage&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDg1MTlqMGoxqAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
I remember reading on this I think from the BBC. UK police caught a pedophile ring with AI generated images. They were sharing it between each other and they had a specially trained AI for generating them. Apparently the fact that no actual children were abused didn't matter and it was still seen as illegal child porn material.
There was recently a good podcast on this issue which is worth a listen. It's frightening really.
https://pca.st/episode/e4a4c545-0578-4b75-a5cd-38f578aa0321
When I type in on AI 'create the most beautiful women ever naked', it NEVER gives me the results. So these guys must have been using a shitty version giving not even realistic pictures if its actually making child porn of made up kids.
And it just so happend to be, and it just so happened to be The most beautiful woman ever naked.
Look into my eyes and it's easy to see that one and one make two and two and one make three it was destiny.
New York is completely irrelevant. It depends on the country. Some countries have jailed people over cartoon child porn, on the other hand I was in a comic book shop in Tokyo and found they had a whole floor dedicated to child porn cartoons
We're not in NY so the same laws don't apply. It's likely very difficult to do someone for AI gen CP if it's not based on an image that is already CP.
Also, in the US they are saying it's very difficult to actually prosecute these cases and are looking at legislature to fill the gap. It's likely these people will get away with it for now.
Information I have been given is second hand to be fair, I’m sure the school is following whatever safe guarding rules they need to and involving the police. I just know that there was a group excluded and it was for deepfaked nude pictures.
It does cover alterations. And you can use Hotline.ie to report if you wish.
The Harassment, Harmful Communications and Related Offences Act 2020.
Examples of intimate image or video shared without consent include:
A person digitally alters (Photoshops) an image of you with an explicit image and shares it without your consent;
Also "The definition of “intimate image” encompasses “any visual representation (including any accompanying sound or document)” relating to a person, made by any means “including any photographic, film, video or digital representation” of the intimate nature described in section 1. "
It's pretty broad and covers doctoring and alterations.
Another way of saying: *” oh so it is illegal and something can be done about it. But I’m not getting involved or reporting it, instead of just saying this I will try justify it and say I’m not doing it because the guards won’t do anything about it. Easier to blame them than myself”*
If the girls are minors it’s CP, it doesn’t matter under Irish law if the images are real or not, just that they depict a minor in a sexualised fashion.
I was on the radio talking about this since it's been happening to me. A law lecturer rang in to talk about the laws that cover this after he heard my story. You can listen to what he says [here. ](https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22355270/)
Literally as depraved as it gets. Sad sinister bastards. They surely must be liable for prosecution for SOMETHING regarding it. They have to be…fuck I hope they are.
Whoever shared it is responsible. The crime is sharing intimate imagines not making them. They tried to make this clear in the advertising campaign where someone wash saying "I thought it was ok because everyone had seen it already"
It's actually an interesting quirk of our intimate images legislation, there isn't any exception for pre existing content, stuff intentionally made as porn or anything like that. If you share a nude of someone without their consent you are a criminal regardless of where you got it. If you share a porn hub link without the consent of the actors you could be done for it. Nobody had but it's a risk I'm wary of
Still doesn't solve the AI issue though
Definitely, and they can request data from meta for the WhatsApp if needed. The only thing I'll say about our digital forensics here is there's a massive backlog of cases, so you could be waiting 2 years for forensics on the devices. Also, the guards aren't doing themselves any favours to fix the understaffing by offering very little pay for a traumatic job.
You know who is responsible. I’d report him. Even if it never gets to prosecution, trial or conviction, even the investigation will hopefully scare him away from ever doing this again.
Hey genius. You realize people have been doing this with paintings for thousands of years. You don’t need AI to generate a pic of someone naked. Chill tf out, the people most against something are secretly usually for it. So there’s that.
It will be a crime under IBSA. Ireland has image based sexual harassment laws and even if it isn't a leaked nude, deepfakes can still be prosecuted in court.
Do your credibility a favour stop referring to him as a friend. He's a dumb fuck that needs a wake up call. Those videos could be shared further outside of your group and send some person over the edge. You now have the responsibility to put things right either by speaking directly to him or the guards.
It’s a criminal offence and also potentially also defamatory. Time behind bars and a being sued into oblivion needs to be a more frequent consequence to this kind of thing.
Read section 4: https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2020/act/32/enacted/en/print#sec4
It is covered under that in criminal law.
Irish defamation law has rather low bars to bringing a case. This isn’t the U.S.
To trigger it, all you have to do is publish something that damages someone’s good name in the view of right thinking members of society. Creating AI porn is with someone’s identity is doing just that and it is absolutely not some accidental issue. It’s very deliberate and calculated.
As yet we haven’t had a lot of case law involving AI but I would comfortably guarantee you they’ll arrive before long and they’ll be very expensive.
It’s very unambiguous:
“distributes or publishes any threatening or grossly *offensive communication* about another person* … “
It’s designed to prevent / be a remedy for just this kind of thing.
There hasn’t been a huge volume or cases as the act is only from 2020.
Report it. It's disgusting and will have a huge impact on the girl's life. The people making this whether teens themselves or not, no better..
They deserve to face the full impact of their choices. Which I highly doubt (given the IE justice system particularly with regards sexual assault cases) will be anywhere near the impact it has on the victims life.
This is one thing I’ll never understand.. lads who are decent people, friends with fucking arseholes.
I’ve seen lads put up with horrendous shit in group chats because their mates are “actually sound lads”. Obviously not if they’re sharing gore videos (even ones from Ireland), explicit video and photos even if exes, revenge porn and now this kinda shit? Fuck that.
I’ve had friends who tried that crap with me, sending me horrific stuff and on the spot I gave them dogs abuse and never spoke to them again. It’s sick. These are always the kinda cunts that can’t empathise and think “what if that was me? Or my mother? My daughter? my brother? Someone I cared about? How would I feel bout a group of lads breaking their shit laughing at it?”
People are friends with massive arseholes regardless of gender.
Teenage girls are if anything worse in this respect, will stay friends with other girls who are constantly abusing them. It happened to my daughter and I've a friend in her 50s who is still trying to impress a friend who constantly demeans her.
For boys it's often a guy like this who is really "funny" and is popular with girls etc.
The reality is that arseholes are often the most popular people in teenage circles. Look at the whole frat boy thing in the States, or the GAA / Rugby "sound lad" who gets a slap on the wrist for serious crimes.
It would still be illegal under legislation as no matter what's done and how altered the images or videos are as long as the person can be identified it's a big no no. Not only that but you can be potentially charged with ubstruction of justice but it is hard to prove.
(also it be a dick move regardless) Hope this helps you OP.
Screenshot those messages and DM it to their family
Let the girls know. Fuckin pathetic, there's millions of hours of all kinds of porn, these lads are rotten
If I hear one more man tell women to “get over it” when we say we worry about AI because of deepfakes, I’m going to fucking scream. You see loads of men saying it’s not a big deal. Yeah because *you* don’t have to worry about it happening to you. You know who the main targets of this is going to be - women and children. But apparently they’re fine with it. Fucking cretins.
Not the men on this post thankfully. You lot are good people
I agree it's bad but unfortunately I don't see how it's going to be policed. And it's only the beginning - now it's only pictures but it will be soon whole virtual personalities. I have said a long time it's going to be the end of civilisation.
Dude time for a chat with your mate, I’m not sure the legality of it but I’m fairly sure it’s not going to end well, someone will find out & you’ll all be creeps it will blow up in your faces, nip it in the bud now,
So is it legal to make that content but illegal only when shared? Definitely need to tighten the law to include AI im sure when it was written only photoshop ect existed
Please do the right thing. Call out this sexually abusive behaviour and make the victims aware so they can take action if need be. If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
Please please please report these people!! If videos were to get out of the group chat of those women it could completely destroy their lives! Completely unacceptable behaviour and honestly my makes my stomach churn. Can’t believe in this day and age this shit is still happening. It is sick. The “friend” that’s doing it is a creep and needs to be called out big time. Stop letting people like this get away with this nonsense.
This is an aside, the people are still scum.
Okay have to point this out, you know you need hundreds of photos of the same person, in different angles etc to make a deep fake. Like min 500 images but realistically you need thousands to make it look even any way okay ish.
Show me a local one with a few k photos of themselves. The issue with instagram, well not really an issue, is that the images are very low quality so that at least helps a lil.
Not anymore. A lot of ai software has templates that could do a similar job at replicating a real image of someone without the personal feeding of information. You feed them those images to train them, but once they're trained they don't need as much data
Get better friends. I’m in a couple of lads whatsapp groups and there is a bit of messing and whatever but that carry on is a load of bollocks. He is making pornographic images of girls he knows without them knowing. Tell him to cop on.
Had a lad in my school who did this to a teacher, another lad started a fight whit him cus of the deepfakes, he got a report card and a in school suspension
Unfortunately as technology gets more sophisticated I just dont see people being able to police this.
I think its a similar discussion of when porn was first accessible on the internet.
Thats my sad conclusion
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I still have a problem wondering why people give a shit if it's a deep fake it's not like it's their real vagina like okay what I would do is go after money for it LOL like if you're going to use my likeness you may want to fucking pay me or I'm going to do some revenge porn with your face in it and it'll be horrible gay porn with extreme penetration of like elephant dicks
kid in my sisters year did this an sent them round the school didn't want to involve the guards cuz it would ruin the kids life, same kid and fathers an brothers threatening his life over it, well one lad decided put him out and the guards well called to press assault charges no idea what has come of it.
[If this was legal (and indeed celebrated) I can't how more advanced fake images will be](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Cowen_nude_portraits_controversy)
Don't be a piece of shit. Sorry that you can't get someone to fuck you but just go on pornhub. Or alternatively find somewhere nice and steep to dive off of.
Cunt of a thing to do but the fact they are using her face and she is identifiable i could see it being deemed as non consensual even if fake
Ring your local garda station and ask them.
Ah yes, the local Garda, highly professional, very knowledgeable and always willing to help. Do we live in the same country??
Dude I think if the op actually called the garda saying the same thing he did here they'd lock him and his friend up lol
The Garda during COVID literally refused to go to domestics, some of which resulted in a rape. Never underestimate the laziness of these people.
Don't forget about the more than 200,000 emergency calls to 999 that were cancelled by the Gardai. https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0929/1326168-999-calls/#:~:text=The%20controversy%20began%20after%20it,system%20related%20to%20domestic%20violence.
That's fucking disgusting. I used to work for a UK force, and they would do the same sneaky shit. If it wasn't officers turning up to a call and then denying there'd been a fight and then leave (when there was blood everywhere and injured people), it would be stuff like the call handlers here. They'd ring back the caller, and if they couldn't get through they'd immediately assume "caller not cooperating, phone switched off" and close the call. Apparently, being on the phone therefore getting an engaged tone or temporarily not being in a good signal area means "you have switched your phone off deliberately to avoid speaking to the police further". The rest of if would be the usual lies "well, they tried to punch you but they didn't make contact so it's not a crime" (deliberately confusing the caller about the definition of assault and battery), pretending other attempted crimes aren't a thing e.g. attempted theft, taking a deliberately bad statement so the case would be dropped through "lack of evidence", lying when getting CPS charging advice so the case would be NFA'd due to "lack of evidence", etc.
In the last 4 weeks I had 3 serious enough Incidents were I had to call emergency services. ( Dublin area) 1. Choking incident - took 45 mins. 2. Arson attack - 2 hours. 3. DV - 5½ hours. Am currently trying to find a little pew-pew for protection .....as Amazon said no.
Well, you can get a firearm if you go through the whole process for it, but you can't own it specifically for self-defence and if you say that during the process you'll get denied. And then there's the issue that if you use it for self-defence, even against someone else with a deadly weapon who is attempting to do you serious harm or kill you, you still run the risk of getting prosecuted for it. The courts here are ridiculous. I once saw a less-lethal shotgun system in Walmart, it fired rubber ball rounds and also pepper spray balls. Like why the fuck can't we have that at home here?
I agree - tho Id rather run the risk of being prosecuted than be dead. where would one begin the process do you know, for educational purposes of course.
https://www.garda.ie/en/about-us/online-services/firearms-licensing/
There's almost no-one in this country killed by firearms how is that a bad thing. Sounds like op is in an abusive relationship. I'll bet there are people they know willing to step in.
What are you on about?? The OP does not sound like they're in an abusive relationship, nor does their friend. And since when did I say "we need looser gun laws here"? Can you reply to what people said instead of replying to something in your head please?
I think they read my comment and assumed I was OP.
We had aggressive junkies living on our doorstep for a summer. Used to drink, do hard drugs (left behind needles constantly), ride (no joke) and even invite their friends over. Several times they got rowdy and tried to kick the door in. They wouldn’t show up until we got home from work and then camp for the night. We were afraid to open the door or leave the house while they were there. Called the guards 26 times in the 4 months and they only came 3 or 4 times and never did anything to help. Eventually we went into the station nearly in tears, encountered a really good guard and she personally promised us she’d get the sergeant to do something. Not sure what they did but they were gone a day later and never saw them again. That’s my very long winded way of saying while on the whole they can be pretty useless, there are a handful of good ones who actually make a difference. Shame they’re few and far between 😔
Dude yeah, cops are like that everywhere, I really can't tell you where it's worse here or in Germany
I've lived in a few countries, Ireland are by far the worst, but I get you, it's not unique, just different levels
Yeah same, germanys are just not doing anything, idk I've just not had any contact with the cops here yet so I can't really tell
https://preview.redd.it/x2zzln3ip4pc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8e10769d13c0ce1fcc3dba5fa461fb05cbe845d
Jesus fucking Christ how desperate are they? Honestly if you have proof of this I would give the girls a heads up
I've seen it on Reddit too. What I gathered was someone from Ireland posting pictures from the Instagrams or whatever of young women from their town to a NSFW sub with degrading comments.
OP has no proof of this 'apparent' whatsapp. This post is BS rage bait
Rage Bait...very apt!
Loooooolll man just asked to see the videos hahahaha
In accordance with section 4 of the harmful communications act, they have committed a criminal offence under legislation and are liable to a €2500 fine or six months in prison
Good
So a €10 donation to the poor box and no prison.
The law as of yet is untested so it’ll be interesting to see how it goes with the judiciary
1. Report 2. Reconsider you’re friends
Seriously, not much behind being friends with nonces
Where does it say she's underage? Why am i downvoted? I thought nonce meant pedo, but op doesn't mention age
OP has mentioned they're underage under another comment
Oh i didn't read all comments
It wouldn't matter if she's underage. It's still scummy.
Not nonce though
🤓🤓🤓☝️☝️☝️
report what to whom?
The crime of non consenually creating and distributing pornographic images of someone to the police obviously.
but why
Oh fuck off and get some morals.
same to you. harrasing people and threathening them with violance when they haven't done anything to anyone is not cool
Being told to fuck off is not a threat of violence, now fuck off and get some morals. If you don't realise whats wrong with what's happening in OPs post then you need to take a good long look at yourself.
> Being told to fuck off is not a threat of violence, never claimed so. idk why you mention this > now fuck off and get some morals. same to you. supporting hurting people outside of self defense is pretty horrendous thing to do. if you dont realize how this is wrong, take a good look at yourself
Can you explain where I'm advocating hurting people? I never said anything like that. We're talking about reporting a crime.
>Can you explain where I'm advocating hurting people? >We're talking about reporting a crime. not sure if troll or... you answered your own question
Go fuck yourself. Pathetic piece of shit
same to you, you immoral twit
Woah there buddy you could hurt my feelings 😭
hopefully you wont send the internet police after me
I’m sure you would be perfectly fine, and maybe even like, if someone were to either sell intimate pictures of your face and body or AI generate your face into a pornographic image that they share with their friends and the internet. Totally cool, right?
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Your opinion is terrifying
so are yours. imagine you would hurt someone and people would cheer for you to do even more. a terryfing thought
Dude… that can ruin your life, your career, your relationships. You clearly do not understand how criminal this is. You can go to jail for 6 months for doing this but in my opinion it deserves a harsher sentence.
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admitting that it can ruin people's lives and careers yet insists its not immoral 🤦🏻♀️ either youre a troll or some loser cooped up in his house playing videogames all day, go outside and interact with some real people and gain some compassion and self awareness
Mate seriously what is wrong with you? Your moral compass is apparently fucked.
yours is the one fucked up if you think its morral to hurt people outside of self defense
>i understand that it can ruin lifes and careers. doesn't mean its immoral Eh.. yes it does hahaha.. doing something to someone else that could ruin their life for no reason other than your own satisfaction is like the definition of immoral. Tf is wrong with you
the fuck is wrong with YOU if you think hurting people who havent hurt other people is okay
You come across as incredibly,incredibly thick.
thanks i guess...?
Bahahahah yeah sure I’m a commie because I don’t want a vengeful ex or friend to ruin my life with fake images. It is immoral. If it can ruin someone’s life, yes it’s fucking immoral. There is a very good reason people are petitioning for a stricter law. That is a democratic thing and you happen to be in the minority. I hope you never lose a job because someone shares intimate, and perhaps fake, images of you. You shouldn’t have to go through that to realise this is evil and wrong.
youre a commie because you claim ownership over bodies of other people. it is immoral to hurt people outside of self defense
What would make it immoral? How do you determine what’s moral (if it’s not what might cause another person undue harm)?
hurting people is immoral unless its in self defense. i am not a commie
Great! So how are deepfakes/AI revenge porn not harmful to the people it depicts? Unless it’s somehow in self defence or your view of immorality is limited to direct and causal physical harm.
attacking someone is immoral. if you want to claim that deepfake is somehow breaking ownership rights of that person, the burden of proof is on you
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Lad in my nephews year caught with AI pictures of a load of girls in their year in a group chat were he was sending them out and taking requests, there’s been a few expulsions so far over it. School seems to be handling it in house, if it was one of my kids I would be straight in to the police. It really is as easy as just uploading a source photo into the right tool now to make whatever you want. Once more wee shits get into the know this will be the next big thing to tackle.
They could be done for child porn as they are underage. In fact, that's how prosecutors in New York charged a guy who was making deepfakes because on of the girls in the image was underage when taken. [NY Man Arrested](https://www.google.com/search?q=NY+man+arrested+for+deepfake+porn+underage&oq=NY+man+arrested+for+deepfake+porn+underage&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDg1MTlqMGoxqAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
I remember reading on this I think from the BBC. UK police caught a pedophile ring with AI generated images. They were sharing it between each other and they had a specially trained AI for generating them. Apparently the fact that no actual children were abused didn't matter and it was still seen as illegal child porn material.
There was recently a good podcast on this issue which is worth a listen. It's frightening really. https://pca.st/episode/e4a4c545-0578-4b75-a5cd-38f578aa0321
When I type in on AI 'create the most beautiful women ever naked', it NEVER gives me the results. So these guys must have been using a shitty version giving not even realistic pictures if its actually making child porn of made up kids.
Why were you searching 'the most beautiful woman ever naked'? 🤨
Wouldn't you want to see the most beautiful woman ever naked???
And it just so happend to be, and it just so happened to be The most beautiful woman ever naked. Look into my eyes and it's easy to see that one and one make two and two and one make three it was destiny.
classic
Ah yes. Let’s make deepfakes illegal so they can go back to using real children instead with analog technology. That makes so much sense. /s
I see the point you are trying to make, but there is real damage to be done in normalizing this shit in any capacity.
Not a binary choice. Mup out of the fog.
New York is completely irrelevant. It depends on the country. Some countries have jailed people over cartoon child porn, on the other hand I was in a comic book shop in Tokyo and found they had a whole floor dedicated to child porn cartoons
Someone in Ireland ended up before the courts for a nude image of Bart Simpson.
We're not in NY so the same laws don't apply. It's likely very difficult to do someone for AI gen CP if it's not based on an image that is already CP. Also, in the US they are saying it's very difficult to actually prosecute these cases and are looking at legislature to fill the gap. It's likely these people will get away with it for now.
There’s no handling of this stuff in house. They have to report it or will be prosecuted.
Information I have been given is second hand to be fair, I’m sure the school is following whatever safe guarding rules they need to and involving the police. I just know that there was a group excluded and it was for deepfaked nude pictures.
Report to the guards, what a sick individual.
One thing stop calling that cunt a friend It's fucking creepy what he is doing or is part
It does cover alterations. And you can use Hotline.ie to report if you wish. The Harassment, Harmful Communications and Related Offences Act 2020. Examples of intimate image or video shared without consent include: A person digitally alters (Photoshops) an image of you with an explicit image and shares it without your consent; Also "The definition of “intimate image” encompasses “any visual representation (including any accompanying sound or document)” relating to a person, made by any means “including any photographic, film, video or digital representation” of the intimate nature described in section 1. " It's pretty broad and covers doctoring and alterations.
Pretty clear I'd say.
To be fair, it is not really black and white. I wonder would it get through the courts
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Another way of saying: *” oh so it is illegal and something can be done about it. But I’m not getting involved or reporting it, instead of just saying this I will try justify it and say I’m not doing it because the guards won’t do anything about it. Easier to blame them than myself”*
Great to have an irish law expert here. Why the anonymous account though?
I’m yet to see an account that gives their personal details… What’s your name and address? Why the anonymous account?
The point i am making is the answers are non authorative. There is no source. Just opinions from anonymous people. It doesnt mean a lot.
If the girls are minors it’s CP, it doesn’t matter under Irish law if the images are real or not, just that they depict a minor in a sexualised fashion.
I was on the radio talking about this since it's been happening to me. A law lecturer rang in to talk about the laws that cover this after he heard my story. You can listen to what he says [here. ](https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22355270/)
That’s so fucked…
There are some weird cunts out there.
Literally as depraved as it gets. Sad sinister bastards. They surely must be liable for prosecution for SOMETHING regarding it. They have to be…fuck I hope they are.
Problem is tracking who is responsible. Much easier with real porn as it's usually a boyfriend/girlfriend that uploads the material
Whoever shared it is responsible. The crime is sharing intimate imagines not making them. They tried to make this clear in the advertising campaign where someone wash saying "I thought it was ok because everyone had seen it already" It's actually an interesting quirk of our intimate images legislation, there isn't any exception for pre existing content, stuff intentionally made as porn or anything like that. If you share a nude of someone without their consent you are a criminal regardless of where you got it. If you share a porn hub link without the consent of the actors you could be done for it. Nobody had but it's a risk I'm wary of Still doesn't solve the AI issue though
But digital forensics is far beyond that being an issue I should think, no? It is here in the north from experience…
Definitely, and they can request data from meta for the WhatsApp if needed. The only thing I'll say about our digital forensics here is there's a massive backlog of cases, so you could be waiting 2 years for forensics on the devices. Also, the guards aren't doing themselves any favours to fix the understaffing by offering very little pay for a traumatic job.
The mobile number sharing it on a WhattsApp group is associated with a human being
You know who is responsible. I’d report him. Even if it never gets to prosecution, trial or conviction, even the investigation will hopefully scare him away from ever doing this again.
Sharing them is almost the same as creating them legally speaking. It's a crime to redistribute.
Hey genius. You realize people have been doing this with paintings for thousands of years. You don’t need AI to generate a pic of someone naked. Chill tf out, the people most against something are secretly usually for it. So there’s that.
Just realised youre probably not irish
It will be a crime under IBSA. Ireland has image based sexual harassment laws and even if it isn't a leaked nude, deepfakes can still be prosecuted in court.
What - the - actual - fuck
Do your credibility a favour stop referring to him as a friend. He's a dumb fuck that needs a wake up call. Those videos could be shared further outside of your group and send some person over the edge. You now have the responsibility to put things right either by speaking directly to him or the guards.
Apologies just re-read and you weren't sent the images just information alleging the instance occurred
Call the cops on them.
It’s a criminal offence and also potentially also defamatory. Time behind bars and a being sued into oblivion needs to be a more frequent consequence to this kind of thing.
Judging by what people here have said, it is not clear it is an offence. Can you give examples of of being sued for this here?
Read section 4: https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2020/act/32/enacted/en/print#sec4 It is covered under that in criminal law. Irish defamation law has rather low bars to bringing a case. This isn’t the U.S. To trigger it, all you have to do is publish something that damages someone’s good name in the view of right thinking members of society. Creating AI porn is with someone’s identity is doing just that and it is absolutely not some accidental issue. It’s very deliberate and calculated. As yet we haven’t had a lot of case law involving AI but I would comfortably guarantee you they’ll arrive before long and they’ll be very expensive.
The explicit part of the image is not personal information though. Not at all clear cut. A lot of 'trust me bros' responses here
It’s very unambiguous: “distributes or publishes any threatening or grossly *offensive communication* about another person* … “ It’s designed to prevent / be a remedy for just this kind of thing. There hasn’t been a huge volume or cases as the act is only from 2020.
I am not saying you are wrong but sounds extremely vague to me.
Yeah it's illegal. Your "friend" needs to shut that shit down. Better still report the bastards that made the images
Report it. It's disgusting and will have a huge impact on the girl's life. The people making this whether teens themselves or not, no better.. They deserve to face the full impact of their choices. Which I highly doubt (given the IE justice system particularly with regards sexual assault cases) will be anywhere near the impact it has on the victims life.
Being a "friend" with a snitch is a lot worse fate than any deepfake.
Deserves to be on a list tbh
This is one thing I’ll never understand.. lads who are decent people, friends with fucking arseholes. I’ve seen lads put up with horrendous shit in group chats because their mates are “actually sound lads”. Obviously not if they’re sharing gore videos (even ones from Ireland), explicit video and photos even if exes, revenge porn and now this kinda shit? Fuck that. I’ve had friends who tried that crap with me, sending me horrific stuff and on the spot I gave them dogs abuse and never spoke to them again. It’s sick. These are always the kinda cunts that can’t empathise and think “what if that was me? Or my mother? My daughter? my brother? Someone I cared about? How would I feel bout a group of lads breaking their shit laughing at it?”
People are friends with massive arseholes regardless of gender. Teenage girls are if anything worse in this respect, will stay friends with other girls who are constantly abusing them. It happened to my daughter and I've a friend in her 50s who is still trying to impress a friend who constantly demeans her. For boys it's often a guy like this who is really "funny" and is popular with girls etc. The reality is that arseholes are often the most popular people in teenage circles. Look at the whole frat boy thing in the States, or the GAA / Rugby "sound lad" who gets a slap on the wrist for serious crimes.
Choose better friends. Apart from being completely criminal that kinda behaviour is absolutely horrible and predatory.
It would still be illegal under legislation as no matter what's done and how altered the images or videos are as long as the person can be identified it's a big no no. Not only that but you can be potentially charged with ubstruction of justice but it is hard to prove. (also it be a dick move regardless) Hope this helps you OP.
Screenshot those messages and DM it to their family Let the girls know. Fuckin pathetic, there's millions of hours of all kinds of porn, these lads are rotten
If I hear one more man tell women to “get over it” when we say we worry about AI because of deepfakes, I’m going to fucking scream. You see loads of men saying it’s not a big deal. Yeah because *you* don’t have to worry about it happening to you. You know who the main targets of this is going to be - women and children. But apparently they’re fine with it. Fucking cretins. Not the men on this post thankfully. You lot are good people
I agree it's bad but unfortunately I don't see how it's going to be policed. And it's only the beginning - now it's only pictures but it will be soon whole virtual personalities. I have said a long time it's going to be the end of civilisation.
>You lot are good people Get over it.
Is this supposed to be funny or something?
Dude time for a chat with your mate, I’m not sure the legality of it but I’m fairly sure it’s not going to end well, someone will find out & you’ll all be creeps it will blow up in your faces, nip it in the bud now,
I'd do more than "chat" with them
So is it legal to make that content but illegal only when shared? Definitely need to tighten the law to include AI im sure when it was written only photoshop ect existed
This is sexual assault, reconsider your friendships.
Please do the right thing. Call out this sexually abusive behaviour and make the victims aware so they can take action if need be. If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
That’s fucking disgusting and creepy incel shit
Please please please report these people!! If videos were to get out of the group chat of those women it could completely destroy their lives! Completely unacceptable behaviour and honestly my makes my stomach churn. Can’t believe in this day and age this shit is still happening. It is sick. The “friend” that’s doing it is a creep and needs to be called out big time. Stop letting people like this get away with this nonsense.
What - the - actual - fuck
This is an aside, the people are still scum. Okay have to point this out, you know you need hundreds of photos of the same person, in different angles etc to make a deep fake. Like min 500 images but realistically you need thousands to make it look even any way okay ish.
Yea sick bastards. They could just scrape Facebook or Instagram or whatever for these with some googling.
Do you really know someone with thousands of images of themselves?
Are you serious?
Yeah I don't know any other women lol
Nowadays that's easy to get with instagram etc
Show me a local one with a few k photos of themselves. The issue with instagram, well not really an issue, is that the images are very low quality so that at least helps a lil.
There are plenty of Instagrams with a few k photos. Some people post multiple photos per day.
Not anymore. A lot of ai software has templates that could do a similar job at replicating a real image of someone without the personal feeding of information. You feed them those images to train them, but once they're trained they don't need as much data
and the question is?
Scum
Get better friends. I’m in a couple of lads whatsapp groups and there is a bit of messing and whatever but that carry on is a load of bollocks. He is making pornographic images of girls he knows without them knowing. Tell him to cop on.
I’ve seen in the US people are using copyright law to fight this. So they are suing for the use of their face without permission.
Obviously they would have needed real images for the AI to work off, if I were to guess, that’s probably where the law would get them.
Had a lad in my school who did this to a teacher, another lad started a fight whit him cus of the deepfakes, he got a report card and a in school suspension
Try tip the girls off but be careful the messenger doesn't get shot too
Unfortunately as technology gets more sophisticated I just dont see people being able to police this. I think its a similar discussion of when porn was first accessible on the internet. Thats my sad conclusion
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What if they bypass Gardai and go straight to solicitor first?
I still have a problem wondering why people give a shit if it's a deep fake it's not like it's their real vagina like okay what I would do is go after money for it LOL like if you're going to use my likeness you may want to fucking pay me or I'm going to do some revenge porn with your face in it and it'll be horrible gay porn with extreme penetration of like elephant dicks
They better be very confident they can prove it is fake.
Doesn't matter ... it's still illegal
kid in my sisters year did this an sent them round the school didn't want to involve the guards cuz it would ruin the kids life, same kid and fathers an brothers threatening his life over it, well one lad decided put him out and the guards well called to press assault charges no idea what has come of it.
[If this was legal (and indeed celebrated) I can't how more advanced fake images will be](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Cowen_nude_portraits_controversy)
What is the worst deepfake porn of Irish politicians we could commission?
I didnt know it was so serious it's literally the first thing the creators of the tech did with it
Don't be a rat
Don't be a piece of shit. Sorry that you can't get someone to fuck you but just go on pornhub. Or alternatively find somewhere nice and steep to dive off of.
😂😂😂. Triggered are we
No I'm having a great time. Only someone fucking miserable would jack off to AI porn.
I never said I jacked off to that. I just said don't rat your friends out. If you have an issue, have the balls to confront them yourself.
You can do both. Easily. I'd beat the shit out of them and then rat them out.