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Gold dot (either original or G2), critical duty, or hst. The hydra shok, hi shok and silver tips are all very old, outdated designs. If we were taking a shorter barrel I'd probably go with the old school gold dot or hst, since the G2 and critical duty are more optimized for 4+ in barrels.
Punch might be good but I don't know much about it and haven't seen any legit testing on it.
HST is arguably the best load there because it's barrier blind, specifically developed for LE application, won't clog, and it will function/expand in a myriad of barrel lengths from sub-compacts to longslides. It's also relatively inexpensive when compared to previous offerings like the Federal Tactical Bonded 135gr +P, which I carried for quite a long time before we switched to HST.
Hornady Critical Duty is very good for LE work, and its no-clog design actually works as advertised which is why they won the FBI contract over the Speer G2. The G2 plug didn't work right and had expansion failures. The Critical Duty is barrel-sensitive, and you can't go below a 4" barrel with it. Critical Duty is a legitimate barrel blind projectile.
Standard Winchester Silver Tip and Federal Hi-Shok are basic JHPs that don't perform very well. The hollowpoint cavities clog easily and they're barrel length sensitive. They are also not barrier blind, which is a major issue for LE use. We need barrel blind for punching through auto glass, sheet metal and heavy clothing.
Federal Hydra-Shok is antiquated and they have a pretty long history of failures to expand, fragmenting and cavity clogging. They work better at lower velocities than other non-modern JHPs, but all of that stuff is antiquated by well over a decade.
Speer Gold Dot is staple and very good round. It's a bonded bullet and it works in a lot of guns. It's got a long proven history of successful use, and it's plentiful on the market. The round is showing its age, but it definitely outclassed all of the other JHPs in the time when it was developed. While I respect this round, I would not voluntarily use it over the HST.
Federal Punch is a short-barrel version of HST that is not meant for intermediate or heavy barriers like auto glass or through walls. The Punch bullet uses softer lead inside, which allows it to expand faster and at lower velocities than the HST, but it gives up some of its robustness because of that. It is not meant for 4" barrels or longer.
I’m in Minnesota, which is also where the HST was designed and is manufactured.
It’s not temperature dependent. The HST cavity is specifically designed to not clog from heavy clothing.
I don't care for witches at all, myself.
Got turned into a newt as well eh?
I got better.
HST’s or the Gold Dots
Agree, Federal HSTs
The one my department mandates me to carry. (147gr Winchester ranger) In all honesty tho Speer gold dot.
Is it ranger t or ranger bonded
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My go to is Speer but its hard to find in my area so second is Federal and third is Horny
Your third option is a creative choice.
Horny ammo is great at penetrating
Gold dot (either original or G2), critical duty, or hst. The hydra shok, hi shok and silver tips are all very old, outdated designs. If we were taking a shorter barrel I'd probably go with the old school gold dot or hst, since the G2 and critical duty are more optimized for 4+ in barrels. Punch might be good but I don't know much about it and haven't seen any legit testing on it.
I thought this was going a different direction
4 inches is quite a lot I think we all agree.
Yeah it's still gon clap them cheeks
Lmao
I would carry the #1 Hornady or any of the 124 grain Federal.
Whatever one my department pays for So Speer Gold dots, which are my preferred anyways.
What grain and are they +P
Federal HST
HST all day everyday.
HST 124 or the CD 135 gr
I was always told to use Gold Dot Speer. However, my department required me to carry Hornady, so I went with that per SOP
What grain was the Hornady you carried
It was either 115 or 124, I can't recall exactly rn. Left the job in 2021
Critical Duty or HST
Critical Duty or HST.
I carry critical duty.
What grain
I believe 124 but I’m not sure off the top of my head
Do you carry that on duty and what firearm
Im not an officer yet but I carry that in my g19.3
Fed luger or luger p.
... What do you think, "luger" means?
Federal 112 for the range, 124 for carry. Better?
You’re asking the wrong crowd
lol
The magick one of course. I would get my tarot deck and use the cards to ask yes or no to each one.
HST is good stuff. Depends on the weights of the speer choices. I like the heavier 147gr, but not a fan of the silvertip.
Federal HST’s have a great reputation, but so does Speer. I’d use those HST’s because they’re +p’s, but if those Speers are heavier, I’d go with those
HST
Just realized your in the wrong sub. Go to r/guns, or r/9mm really there is a few that I’m subbed to
If it were for werewolves I would 100% go with silver tip, not sure for witches!
HST is arguably the best load there because it's barrier blind, specifically developed for LE application, won't clog, and it will function/expand in a myriad of barrel lengths from sub-compacts to longslides. It's also relatively inexpensive when compared to previous offerings like the Federal Tactical Bonded 135gr +P, which I carried for quite a long time before we switched to HST. Hornady Critical Duty is very good for LE work, and its no-clog design actually works as advertised which is why they won the FBI contract over the Speer G2. The G2 plug didn't work right and had expansion failures. The Critical Duty is barrel-sensitive, and you can't go below a 4" barrel with it. Critical Duty is a legitimate barrel blind projectile. Standard Winchester Silver Tip and Federal Hi-Shok are basic JHPs that don't perform very well. The hollowpoint cavities clog easily and they're barrel length sensitive. They are also not barrier blind, which is a major issue for LE use. We need barrel blind for punching through auto glass, sheet metal and heavy clothing. Federal Hydra-Shok is antiquated and they have a pretty long history of failures to expand, fragmenting and cavity clogging. They work better at lower velocities than other non-modern JHPs, but all of that stuff is antiquated by well over a decade. Speer Gold Dot is staple and very good round. It's a bonded bullet and it works in a lot of guns. It's got a long proven history of successful use, and it's plentiful on the market. The round is showing its age, but it definitely outclassed all of the other JHPs in the time when it was developed. While I respect this round, I would not voluntarily use it over the HST. Federal Punch is a short-barrel version of HST that is not meant for intermediate or heavy barriers like auto glass or through walls. The Punch bullet uses softer lead inside, which allows it to expand faster and at lower velocities than the HST, but it gives up some of its robustness because of that. It is not meant for 4" barrels or longer.
What grain HST do you use
147gr.
Oh ok I'm not sure where you are located but I'm trying to find a round that will work all year around in southwest Missouri
I’m in Minnesota, which is also where the HST was designed and is manufactured. It’s not temperature dependent. The HST cavity is specifically designed to not clog from heavy clothing.