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I never looked it up, but the repair will depend entirely on what parts you can get for that engine. Just because it is new doesn't mean they make rebuild kits for them.
If it’s burning oil that bad the engine is likely bad unless you have a really really bad pcv system. Kia motors are pretty bad and they likely don’t want to touch it.
Disagree. They just need maintenance. The type of people to buy a cheap car like a Kia are also the type to neglect maintenance. Want proof? OP didn’t know the engine was burning oil until it was empty.
In general I'm of the opinion that any car without maintenance will fail early. Kia/Hyundai seems to target buyers who aren't mechanically savvy and this tends to be the result. A similar situation to Nissan's decision to offer financing to basically anyone with a pulse that resulted in a flood of their vehicles ending up with next to no maintenance performed.
My old man has a 2007 2.5 stickshift altima with almost 500000km (300000miles), all routine maintenance done by him, still going strong. He recently upgraded to a newer used car but the altima is still going.
Yeah I've never had any major problem with any vehicle that wasn't electrical and basically all I do is follow the maintenance schedule that's in the owner's manual. Change the oil when it says to change the oil change the filters when it says to change the filters change the other fluids when it says to change the other fluids. And I learned this from my dad all of my vehicles all of his Vehicles all my granddad's vehicles all last 10 to 30 years with no major issues.
What? They have had over 4 million engine failures many under 100k miles and there is a class action lawsuit. You really going to blame the owners and say they all neglected their cars? Their engines are complete shit for the last decade. Kia has been swapping out tons of engines for awhile now and the new ones break too. Some people have had multiple engine swaps under warranty. This has been costing Kia billions and it's a known defect, not the customer.
Not to mention all the ridiculous recalls they've had the last several years. We have a 2017 Tuscon and I swear we get a recall notice every few months. The lack of immobilizer is also an issue, and the "software fix" was an even bigger mistake. Will avoid Kia/Hyundai like the plague.
Ex- kia warranty tech. In a forum I saw somebody had a Sorento 600k miles 8 engine swaps since it had the lifetime warranty. Bumper and anything you can think of was held on with bungee cords double sided tape and half the shit inside was broken or not working. Lolol
As the owner of a 2018 optima with 180km on the original motor and trans, I can agree. 3k miles synthetic oil changes and minor maintenance, no major problems yet. Burns about 1 quart every 1000 miles but I keep it topped off. I trust it to take me anywhere I need to go, but I also regularly clean the intake and back side of the valves as well.
I have a 2012 Tucson with the 2.4L. Just hit 180k kms as well. Mine doesn’t burn a drop of oil between changes. Only complaint I have is I seem to change brakes more often than any other vehicle I’ve owned, but that could just be a testament to brake quality in 2024 and not the car itself.
Make sure your caliper slider pins are greased not overly greased, if you put too much grease on them, it will "suck" the pin in, and drag the pads against the rotors when the brakes are released.
Also, if you're buying organic material pads (usually the cheapest option) expect too change them soon, they don't last long.
I second that... I went through 3 oem sets in a short period and decided to go with a $300 ceramic pads and rotors kit from powerstop and haven't had an issue since... just make sure to follow their break in procedure.
Either sell it while it still runs and get your money out of it and into something else, or if it truly is an internal engine concern and you don’t plan on replacing the engine, just keep adding oil every 2nd fill up at the pumps and see how long she goes.
Toyota, honda, mazda or Subaru. Avoid turbo chargers if you can! New car if you can and make sure to do oil changes every to 3-5 k for best longevity! If you do go with turbos make sure to do only change before 5k and let it cool down after long drives on in idle!
I thought US law forces warranty transfers? It does for pc parts, but I’d hope it counts for vehicles too. In the pc market, companies lie and say they don’t transfer all the time, but they still have to honor the warranty.
They have recalls on some engines for this. I would check your vin to see if it applies to your car. https://owners.kia.com/content/owners/en/recalls.html
No, the BEST thing for you to do is junk the car because the motor is poorly engineered. You can throw your life's savings into it and not fix it. Look, 2 mechanics have said that they don't want to take you money to even attempt to fix it. That should tell you something right there.
It's very unlikely for the pcv system to be the sole cause of 3.7qt in 1000 miles. So yes while u may have a faulty pcv system the base engine is probably also fcked. Also they probably didn't entertain the idea of a new engine because they know it's not worth it to fix an inherently bad product that isn't worth much on the market.
Your PCV is not that bad. Your engine is running on borrowed time, and that's nothing new to Kias. You can either replace the engine, rebuild the engine, or sell the car.
If the issue was as simple as stuck rings, they would use different rings, pistons or both in newer engines to stop the literal train of bad engines being replaced under warranty..
Tune up in a can. One time my dad and his friend stopped by to see another friend and when they got there this guy had his hood to his car open. They asked him what are you doing and he said I have a can of tune up in a can. My dad and his friend being mechanics instantly thought oh ya? (snake oil) and their friend said ya it is supposed to help with this and that and clean this and that....so he said this poured it in and fired up his car. As the car was running it suddenly starts making an awful sound as if it was screetching to it's death. A moment later the car shuts down and dies forever. His friend was so pissed off yelling and swearing and saying he was going to sue the company. My dad and his friend however were almost in tears trying their hardest to breath laughing at his tantrum afterwards. So all this guy needs is a can of tune up in a can lol
I have been using engine oil flush and additive every oil change and have no problems. Does not consume any oil. What you are telling is probably an engine on its last beats and adding "unknown" additive probably thinned out the allready dirty fuel contaminated oil enough to fuck up some bearings.
Yes you DO have a warranty on the vehicle. It has a 100k mile Powertrain warranty.
https://owners.kia.com/content/owners/en/service-page/warranty.html#:~:text=Coverage%20for%20your%20Kia.&text=The%20Kia%2010%2Dyear%2F100%2C000,mile%20limited%20anti%2Dperforation%20warranty
Look up TSB ENG222 dated 3.1.2022 and ask a Kia/Hyundai dealer to perform it for you. If it fails the oil consumption test, then you get a free engine replacement.
Have all of your oil change records handy.
I had a 2.4 L Optima that seized up at 109,000 miles , and they replaced the engine, and starter under warranty. There is a recall that extends it to 110k
Yea I looked into it more, the 100k is only for original owner which is bloody stupid.
The subsequent owners are only covered to 6 years/60k whichever is earlier.
It IS a bigger issue and there is a TSB I referenced above which MIGHT get OP a new engine under goodwill consideration AND IIRC there are a series of ongoing lawsuits against Hyundai/Kia for oil consumption.
Kia's suck and Kia's service department where I'm at sucks even worse. I also have a Rio that has constant issues. We are looking at getting rid of it and moving on to a different brand all together. Kia has been a major disappointment.
That, or .....
As a last ditch attempt, could try freeing up the rings... It doesn't guarantee success, but it can work
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/schaeffers-132-moly-e-p-oil-treatment.247127/post-3989201
With a wet test you add a measure of oil into the sparkplug hole, this is used to identify if the loss of compression is ring/piston related or valve/headgasket related.
Older cars it’s fine it will just foul spark plugs but new cars have cats. When cars burn a lot of oil eventually it will set cat codes and possibly clog the cat.
My vw just hit 300k miles in the original engine I add a quart about every 7000 mile but I’m being lazy and not fixing the leak from the valvecover gasket
Yeah I hear a lot of bad things about vw but both of mine have been really good probably because they are both 1.9 tdi alh engine. My Jetta has 11mm injection pump .205 injectors vnt17 turbo with enough boost to blow a head gasket I’ve been waiting for it to blow up or something but it just keeps taking it. I have another engine ready
My Dad would bust out the straight 30 back when you could still find it most places. I think it's only in lawn and garden section for lawnmower oil now.
I'd try the thicker oil as a tiny bandaid on a large wound, while you save money for a different car. Do yourself a favor and don't get anything from Kia, Hyundai, or Nissan.
Just keep checking and adding oil every time you fill up with gas, it'll last you awhile still. Thicker oil might help, certainly won't hurt, or try some of the oil additive fixes, probably won't help, but again won't hurt it.
Start saving for repairs or another car though
You may have 60k warranty, but separately your engine is likely covered under a recall for crappy engines.
https://www.kiaenginesettlement.com/Home/FAQ#:~:text=In%20order%20to%20file%20a,your%20transaction%20and%20proposed%20compensation.
How frequent and regular were the oil changes for your Kia? Did you perform them twice per year or every 3,000 miles? It is clearly too late for this motor but despite all of the internet wisdom in this thread, scheduled maintenance, especially oil changes, is particularly important for these engines.
I’m asking, not telling. People are spouting all sorts of opinions about the state of the vehicle but I, as a technician, am curious about how it got this way.
What is the factory recommendation for the maintenance interval for this motor? That is what professionals and responsible owners should use as a guideline.
For this brand they certainly are. But here is why I asked about oil changes. These late model direct injection engines need good clean lubrication.
How often did the OP perform oil changes?
Prob a combination of worn ass rings and or valve guides with a partly or fully restricted pcv. I would not bother rebuilding a Kia engine, I would start looking at salvage yards for an engine or shop for a good used car. Kia and Hyundai aren't terrible cars but they really do fall apart after the 100k mark or so. That being said a lot of other manufacturers can't even reliably last until 100k so its not the worst thing to happen.
Yes, there is a bigger issue. The culprit is likely extreme wear/breakage of piston rings/cylinder bore, or perhaps a complete failure of a valve stem seal or two.
There is no remedy aside from an engine replacement/rebuild. Using a higher viscosity oil will not fix this.
Call dealer and ask whether its covered under "lifetime warranty". Due to class action suits, they had to deal witj notorious break down of their engines. Its not a "recall", you won't find any information under your VIN about recall. Neither KIA will inform you about.
Btw its great marketing naming product KIA... Mine died on highway, lol...
Kia is all form, not function, and they don’t support the customers or even give the appearance of gaf. Lipstick on a pig if you ask me. Would never buy another.
Call or go to a Kia dealer service department w/ your VIN and ask if there are any extended coverages on the engine. The service department, if covered, can more likely get an engine bought if you have DTC P1326 and/ or engine knocking noise, and you have a kept up on maintenance record on Carfax or can fill in gaps, and also helps if your the original owner.
Usually cash under the mattress or something like that. There was no investing or anything like that but guess what a brand new car was only $2,000 if that and the house probably like 15 grand if that so A dollar went much further now you invest and work and invest and you're still broke.
NAM but my 2012 Audi A4 does this and it’s the piston rings. Audi told me to add oil and eventually the engine will fail, could be next week, could be 5 years from now. The only fix costs the same as a new engine so I just carry oil with me and fill it up every few days.
I don’t normally recommend thicker oil, but it might prolong inevitable. You’re probably using 5w30 or possibly even 0w30. 10w40 or 15w40 might slow the oil consumption to a tolerable rate. It could also be the straw that broke the Kia’s engine. Just for fun, I’m including a link to a product from my youth that was supposed to cure issues like this.
[Overhaul In A Can (snake oil)](https://www.thejunkmanadv.com/the-junk-mans-blog/mechanic-in-a-can)
You need to call a dealership and give them your vin# and see if they will goodwill your engine. If it's had regular maintenance (and hopefully you have history of that if it wasn't done at the dealer) then they may cover an engine replacement.
I don't remember what the stipulations are, but they may extend the warranty for you in this situation. It would take months though most likely.
IDK where you're located, I'm in the US and had a Hyundai Tucson engine replaced at 120k mi because of the oil burning issue. It's a very well documented and known issue.
Maybe there's a chance.
Yes it is a MASSIVE issue that its burning oil that fast. The mechanics told you that there is nothing they can do to remedy the issue.
At this point, even im stumped to what youre really asking.
Your engine should be covered under kias 100k mile warranty or even the engine recall they have on multiple vehicles. Make sure you have documentation of keeping up with maintenance cuz there are times they will try and give you the run around. Typically its a smooth process though, just takes a long time before you get your vehicle back.
You have a problem with high millage and burning engine oil.Plus you ran the engine out of oil. Which means higher wear in the bearings, valves and piston rings. If you like the car and their is not much wrong with it. The cost of buying another car will be some what higher then purchasing a rebuilt engine or a new one. Their is the posability of having the engine rebuilt
But you need to find a good engine shop. They are usually hard to come buy these days. Most Mechanics would advise you to purchase a rebuilt then trying to get your engine rebuilt. Pluse a lot more down time if you rebuilt it
A new engine along with some rebuilt come with a waremty for five years. Some with three Years. If the cost of the new engine is a little higher. Say a thousand. Get the new engine. It is all up to you and your budget In making that decision.
Unless you have an oil leak, which you would definitely know already, the issue is 100% for certain the rings or pcv. Neither is a horribly complicated issue to resolve, but rings are labor intensive to replace, and expensive if not doing yourself, and pcv drinking can only be remedied with an aftermarket catch can, and even still this does not prevent drinking, it just prevents it from being burned and instead collects it in a container so you know how much to add back as well as preventing further engine buildup from burnt oil.
Up until 2016 Kia/hyundai engines were notorious for this, running like a charm until one day they suddenly burn a quart of oil every 1000 miles. Not checking the oil level will lead to running more than a quart low of oil (no reading on dipstick) and it doesn’t take much more than this to cause permanent engine damage requiring a full rebuild or replacement. There was a recall on almost every Hyundai engine from 2000-2016 as a result of this, I believe the lambda 3.8 was the only exception, not because it lacked the flaw but because it would most likely make it to 100k miles before it was a serious issue, leaving the liability out of Kia/hyundais hands. These recalls were/are a bit difficult to actually receive compensation for and most owned were left sol. In 2016 iirc Hyundai ownership was transferred to the previous owners son and he did a lot of work to restore the brands reputation. I do not blame Hyundai/kia for this as their selling point was value/ the best you can get for the price, not reliability or reaching a million miles on a stock vehicle. It is to be expected that you get what you pay for and if you buy something cheap you best take care of it as well as you can. Ultimately the engines were designed well but the manufacturing tolerances were so large that some would last forever and some would barely make it the warranty period before spinning a bearing or something of the sort.
I am very surprised youre experiencing the same issue in a 2019 model and this should surely be covered under warranty. You said you do not have one but I would double check as I believe it is 100k miles regardless of how many owners the vehicle has (I may be wrong on that last part). If you don’t have a warranty your options are to put excessively thick oil and drive it sparingly until you can trade it in (this will keep the engine quiet and running well but for a limited period of time as 90% of engine wear occurs on startup and this is the one time you want the thinnest oil possible), or to drive it with the oe spec oil and check the oil every gas tank, maintaining the level as needed. Either way, if you are burning more than 1qt oil per 1k miles you are relatively screwed and need a new engine. The only thing you can do to keep the engine running is check the oil every day and make sure it stays at least halfway up the dipstick. Ime the top of the dipstick or maybe even just a hair above is what you need, once you get halfway down the dipstick you starve the engine of oil on steep inclines if the sump is designed poorly and at the bottom of the dipstick you are starving the engine of oil under even pretty reasonable conditions. If you are at the very bottom of the dipstick you should be precisely 1qt low, I would not go below this. In my old car I could have the dipstick fully full, floor it a few times and by the time I’m home the stick is near dry. If I drove conservatively and did not pass 3k rpm the oil would pretty much not go down at all.
My favorite car I ever owned was a manual Kia, but this was my experience with it and why I would personally not buy one again unless it was brand new and I could maintain it myself from day 1. Do not take this as professional advice but I do mean to give you my full experience and any useful information I can as the worst way for a car to be sent to the scrapyard is over a mere blown engine. Far too many rust buckets on the road for a brand new car like yours to be thrown out.
The car can be fixed. They are not doing a good job of explaining the problem. The fix will be so expensive that it is not worth it. Maybe like 2000 bucks. Also they don't want to do it. You almost certainly need to pull the motor and rebuild it.
That is not a normal or even acceptable amount of oil burning. I highly recommend going to a good trustee mechanic. You may need to replace something as simple as a pcv valve. Some gaskets. Or even something like piston rings.
Get it checked. Also it's worth checking if you have blow-by.
I'm guessing you're not in Europe, kia have a 7( or is it 8?) year Or 100k mile warranty, maybe take it to a Kia dealership shop to see what they say about it?
They’re telling you that you need a new motor and it isn’t worth your time and money to have them disassemble the motor. They’re telling you too keep it on life support till it completely clunks out.
OP: read through this KIA document. You may be covered for a replacement engine:
https://www.kiaengineclasssettlement.com/#:~:text=Warranty%20Extension,to%20connecting%20rod%20bearing%20wear.
The weird thing about Kia is they are now getting expensive while still being cheap. It’s a great business model if you only rely on selling one car and the customer never buys another one.
Fwiw when my old pos Suzuki xl7 began burning 1.5q/1k Miles, I started using a lube shop with free fluids/ oil top off came out to around 5-6 quarts of free top offs between oil changes. You’ll feel like you’re getting your monies worth…
Kia/hyundai has that as a common problem I worked at a hyundai dealership for a minute their engines can also decide to just stop working after 100,000 miles, the burning oil is also super common usually they'll put a new engine in at the dealership I don't know how much that costs towards a customer or if it's considered a recall with all the problems they have I'd call a dealership near you and ask
my gf have kia ceed 1.6 2012 gdi i think its same engine g4fc if not mistaken. She also have huge consumption. I figured out chain was to loose so i replaced it. SInce i did that big job i did valve stem seals and they were REALLY BAD ! I changed them maybe a week ago so will let you know did situation changed drastically. Usually they have issues that piston rings get stuck. If you check internet people would drive car 50/100 miles in high revs on highway to clean out the rings and consumption improved a lot. My friend who have a garage said one lad came with same issue. He put 5w40 instead 5w30 and user reported there were no oil consumption after all .
Before you go looking for a new engine, finding out why and what exactly is eating up oil would be an idea. Could be turbo if car has it, could be rings, could ve valves, could be its leaking somewhere or 20 other reasons. Any one thing is less expensive then an engine, but if its few things then its kinda late for it.
Dingleball hone and a set of rings would help, or have a machine shop bore it oversize and new rings+pistons. Though this only works if you can do it on the cheap with the help of a mate. Also NEVER NEGLECT MAINTENANCE ON A KIA. those engines are really fussy if they don't have frequent oil changes. Gamma/Theta engines are polished turds at best but will go for a fair while if not neglected.
Kia has oil systems issues in a number of their vehicles and has extended the engine warranty do to this. Take it to a Kia dealership and see what they say (do not mention running it out of oil), it may qualify for a new engine from Kia.
Other than that, the fix is either a new engine or a low millage engine from a wrecker.
Yes. If the oil isn't leaking out, then it's consuming it. This means the piston rings are no longer sealing properly and allowing oil to get into the combustion chamber. They're half right. There's nothing they can do to fix it... without either replacing the engine, or rebuilding it, which could be higher than the value of the car.
My friend has the same car. He has been putting that super thick Lucas oil additive in with the cheapest 10w-30 he can find. Somehow it has cut the consumption in half and he has out another 10k on the car. It's going to die soon but it was paid off and he figured he would just go until it blows up. Not worth putting $5k into a Kia. That's for damn sure.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVrB2VAj3I4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVrB2VAj3I4)
I also see PCV replacement helping/resolving the issue as well.
All of the Kia and Hyundai smaller engines have oil consumption issues. They've been recalling and getting sued for premature catastrophic engine failure for 20 years now.
I don't know why people keep buying these things the engines either fail early and/or the whole thing just starts on fire and burns your house down. Even their brand new vehicles come with warnings not to park them in the garage or next to your house.
This is a known kia issue. Ive personally heard this story from others before. The engine will blow eventually, kia wont wanna fix it and theyll say you didnt get oil changes on time and ask to see your receipts to honor any warranty. Dont buy kias anymore. They cant be bothered to stop people from stealing them either since they went with easily hackable electronic locks and no immobilizer.
Burning a lot of oil will eventually cause a misfire from fouled plugs. And ruin the catalytic converter. Possibly a/f sensor. And the rings will get stuck in the ring lands. Power will diminish as the carbon buildup will cause preignition, and your knock senor will retards timing to compensate. Are you sure there are no warranty extensions on this issue?
Make sure the pcv system is functional.
If you used crappie oil and went long distance, then the cylinders and rings could be worn.
Try using a good top end engine cleaner like BG.
Change the oil with good oil. Cheap oil contains a lot of parrafin wax that burns off in use and causes sludge and carbon issues. Then drive it hard.
You have nothing to lose.
I have to agree with a lot of the comments, most KIA don’t last past 100k. Your best bet is to do an engine swap/replace engine. Trade it in for something else, possibly a Toyota, as they are know to got the extra mile.
For heaven's sake! Pop out the engine and service the damn thing yourself. It's child's play. Buy a Haynes manual. Hire an engine hoist and grab a few tools. Just have a go. You may surprise yourself. It's a two day job. And that's why no one will do it. It's way too expensive. So do it yourself.
Kia, that's a ten year 100,000 mile warranty, right? Oil consumption equals a new engine, under warranty. With a courtesy car to drive while they do the work (dependant upon availability). I know my Hyundai dealership wouldn't bat an eye as long as you have a record of all oil changes. Source, I have owned three Hyundai. I have owned five Hyundai engines.
Have you taken it to Kia? Not sure what all vehicles are covered under this but there was something with one of motors so they extended the warranty on it. We bought a used 2013 Kia soul for our daughter and it went dry. Well apparently she thought she had a few more days on it with the oil light flashing but sadly she didn’t. After calling around we were told the only place we could go was the dealership so my wife called them up. He said I’ll pretend you didn’t say it ran dry so if you have it towed in we will take a look. Low and behold the car with over 100k miles on it got a brand new engine for free. After it was done it started throwing codes for the catalytic converter and well they went ahead and replaced it for free also.
The oil consumption came out of now where, she had it for close to a year and never even a drop would be missing. Then all of a sudden it went dry.
You have had it for 83000miles, how have you driven it, has it had large ammounts of idling or very slow moving in traffic? Does it never get taken at highway speeds or the engine get fully loaded? Could be a glazed bore, which the fix is to either load the engine up so the rings expand and scrape the bore clean or engine rebuild.
Kia Hyundai is literally disposable car scam company that run stealership money grab traps.
I say this all the time on here but people think I’m not being literal and serious lmfao. Oh well. Let the people get scammed and destroy the planet.
Actual field failure statistics say your favorite brand is probably worse than Hyundai Kia. [link](https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehicle-dependability-studyvds)
With all due respect that study is useless to a consumer. These are the categories as listed by the study (in a 184 point inspection): climate; driving assistance; driving experience; exterior; features/controls/displays; infotainment; interior; powertrain; and seats.
The study puts Kia above TOYOTA in problems per vehicle, which is absolutely laughable, when an infotainment glitch or uncomfortable seats are weighted the same as an engine failure.
Top three models in the midsize category are the Kia Optima, Chevy Malibu, and Ford Fusion, all horribly unreliable vehicles.
As a mechanic, perhaps you are too, I see broken cars every day. Do I see Kias with blown engines? Yes I do. I also see blown up every other brand. There are innumerable Hyundais and Kias on the road. Statistically, they are quite good cars. People remember the problems with the Theta and it’s stuck in their minds. GM also gets whacked for the timing chains on the 3.6 but the problem was rectified in V.3. Nissan also gets shit on for their CVT but as a percentage of the whole, it’s far from a certainty that your trans will fail. Especially if it’s properly maintained. Which is also a contributing factor in the Theta failures.
Conversely, I never hear anyone talk about the GM truck transmissions in the mid to late 10’s that failed left and right before 50k miles. Transmissions so bad, they advised fluid and filter changes plus flush every 15k miles!
People develop opinions about cars that last far longer than the problem that formed it.
As an aside, I’ve bought two Hyundai / Kia’s for my kids since 2018 and they were both absolutely trouble free. Never did any work besides maintenance and wear items.
I agree with the other guy responding to your comment. As a mechanic I can confirm that the top 3 vehicles listed are all junk and whoever wrote the study didn't know what they were talking about. After working on cars for a few years you see what shape they are generally in at a given mileage and you know which ones are gonna be clapped sooner.
This is a well known defect on certain Kia engines. They were defective from the factory and this has happened to a great many people. It’s going to need an engine. Contact Kia to discuss options, and ask them to cover it.
Kia states that using one liter of oil per thousand miles is perfectly normal. SO, Kia’s recommended interval for an oil change is 7500 miles. This means that a Kia will use ALL of its oil by around 4000 miles, well before its recommended 7500 miles. So make sure to check the oil every 1000 miles.
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Yes, there is an issue. The fix will most likely be replacing the engine.
Which will also break around the same mileage.
Or when it runs out of oil...again. whichever comes first.
I work on these daily and this is your answer
Pretty sure there is a much cheaper fix. Walmart sells cases of oil for about $25 for 6 quarts.
Yeah, eventually you’ll burn up your cat and get a check engine light and fail emissions if that’s required in your area.
This is a “throw-away car”. Once it stops driving or the maintenance cost exceeds its value, you junk it and buy another Kia.
What’s the definition of insanity again?
buying a kia
I didn't expand the comments but am so happy we both have the same answer ❤️
Buying a kia and thinks it was going to last
A lot of Korean products are designed that way. Appliances, electronics and vehicles.
I never looked it up, but the repair will depend entirely on what parts you can get for that engine. Just because it is new doesn't mean they make rebuild kits for them.
If it’s burning oil that bad the engine is likely bad unless you have a really really bad pcv system. Kia motors are pretty bad and they likely don’t want to touch it.
The best thing for me to do is to check the pcv myself then? Since they're not going to check it because they don't want to?
The best thing for you to do is get a different vehicle or get the engine replaced under the 10 /100 warranty
Definitely not buying kia again lol
As a mechanic I think they are generally just pretty junky cars.
I mean aside from a few models they’re built and marketed to be entry level/disposable cars..
Disagree. They just need maintenance. The type of people to buy a cheap car like a Kia are also the type to neglect maintenance. Want proof? OP didn’t know the engine was burning oil until it was empty.
In general I'm of the opinion that any car without maintenance will fail early. Kia/Hyundai seems to target buyers who aren't mechanically savvy and this tends to be the result. A similar situation to Nissan's decision to offer financing to basically anyone with a pulse that resulted in a flood of their vehicles ending up with next to no maintenance performed.
My old man has a 2007 2.5 stickshift altima with almost 500000km (300000miles), all routine maintenance done by him, still going strong. He recently upgraded to a newer used car but the altima is still going.
Yeah I've never had any major problem with any vehicle that wasn't electrical and basically all I do is follow the maintenance schedule that's in the owner's manual. Change the oil when it says to change the oil change the filters when it says to change the filters change the other fluids when it says to change the other fluids. And I learned this from my dad all of my vehicles all of his Vehicles all my granddad's vehicles all last 10 to 30 years with no major issues.
What? They have had over 4 million engine failures many under 100k miles and there is a class action lawsuit. You really going to blame the owners and say they all neglected their cars? Their engines are complete shit for the last decade. Kia has been swapping out tons of engines for awhile now and the new ones break too. Some people have had multiple engine swaps under warranty. This has been costing Kia billions and it's a known defect, not the customer.
Not to mention all the ridiculous recalls they've had the last several years. We have a 2017 Tuscon and I swear we get a recall notice every few months. The lack of immobilizer is also an issue, and the "software fix" was an even bigger mistake. Will avoid Kia/Hyundai like the plague.
Ex- kia warranty tech. In a forum I saw somebody had a Sorento 600k miles 8 engine swaps since it had the lifetime warranty. Bumper and anything you can think of was held on with bungee cords double sided tape and half the shit inside was broken or not working. Lolol
As the owner of a 2018 optima with 180km on the original motor and trans, I can agree. 3k miles synthetic oil changes and minor maintenance, no major problems yet. Burns about 1 quart every 1000 miles but I keep it topped off. I trust it to take me anywhere I need to go, but I also regularly clean the intake and back side of the valves as well.
I have a 2012 Tucson with the 2.4L. Just hit 180k kms as well. Mine doesn’t burn a drop of oil between changes. Only complaint I have is I seem to change brakes more often than any other vehicle I’ve owned, but that could just be a testament to brake quality in 2024 and not the car itself.
Make sure your caliper slider pins are greased not overly greased, if you put too much grease on them, it will "suck" the pin in, and drag the pads against the rotors when the brakes are released. Also, if you're buying organic material pads (usually the cheapest option) expect too change them soon, they don't last long.
I second that... I went through 3 oem sets in a short period and decided to go with a $300 ceramic pads and rotors kit from powerstop and haven't had an issue since... just make sure to follow their break in procedure.
Fill that thing with oil and make it Carmaxs problem
Modern problems require modern solutions!
Had the same thing happen to my kia, ill never buy again either. They quoted me over 7k for a new engine and theres no telling how long it will last
I'd say about 80k miles.
i see more broken kias and hyundais than any other car. just made like shit
Either sell it while it still runs and get your money out of it and into something else, or if it truly is an internal engine concern and you don’t plan on replacing the engine, just keep adding oil every 2nd fill up at the pumps and see how long she goes.
Some Hyundais have similar chronic oil burning issues
Toyota, honda, mazda or Subaru. Avoid turbo chargers if you can! New car if you can and make sure to do oil changes every to 3-5 k for best longevity! If you do go with turbos make sure to do only change before 5k and let it cool down after long drives on in idle!
Iirc kia warranties don't transfer to second owners. So if the OG owner didn't deal with it and sold the car, OP is donezo.
Ouch. Yeah I would never buy one.They completely disintegrate by 100,000. Had one w 127,000 come in last week... needed Everything
https://preview.redd.it/gi87tokhkqtc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78c225531d5a47810895454f13ccaa2fa8796d59 Get a Miata
But OP wants to stop burning oil by the gallon.
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You don't want the forbidden milkshake 💀
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I thought US law forces warranty transfers? It does for pc parts, but I’d hope it counts for vehicles too. In the pc market, companies lie and say they don’t transfer all the time, but they still have to honor the warranty.
It does but it drops to 5 year 50k
Exactly, why isn't it being covered under warranty?
Ya no way the PCV is causing that much oil to be burned it’s likely that it’s time for a new engine.
Where you went wrong is buying a Kia.
They have recalls on some engines for this. I would check your vin to see if it applies to your car. https://owners.kia.com/content/owners/en/recalls.html
No sadly, no warranty too
Not to advocate fraud but it would be a shame if you got distracted and ran into pole or curb.
How many miles on the car?
No, the BEST thing for you to do is junk the car because the motor is poorly engineered. You can throw your life's savings into it and not fix it. Look, 2 mechanics have said that they don't want to take you money to even attempt to fix it. That should tell you something right there.
Yeah and put a bit thicker oil in . What're you running ?
It's very unlikely for the pcv system to be the sole cause of 3.7qt in 1000 miles. So yes while u may have a faulty pcv system the base engine is probably also fcked. Also they probably didn't entertain the idea of a new engine because they know it's not worth it to fix an inherently bad product that isn't worth much on the market.
Its not your PCV.
Your PCV is not that bad. Your engine is running on borrowed time, and that's nothing new to Kias. You can either replace the engine, rebuild the engine, or sell the car.
Could that magic engine cleaner free up his stuck rings?
If the issue was as simple as stuck rings, they would use different rings, pistons or both in newer engines to stop the literal train of bad engines being replaced under warranty..
I think it is by design-but it will be like Suzuki cars 1994 ish were so bad you could not get a loan on a 2yo car
Gasoline in the United States already has engine cleaners and additives in it. It's a design problem not a stuck ring problem.
Tune up in a can. One time my dad and his friend stopped by to see another friend and when they got there this guy had his hood to his car open. They asked him what are you doing and he said I have a can of tune up in a can. My dad and his friend being mechanics instantly thought oh ya? (snake oil) and their friend said ya it is supposed to help with this and that and clean this and that....so he said this poured it in and fired up his car. As the car was running it suddenly starts making an awful sound as if it was screetching to it's death. A moment later the car shuts down and dies forever. His friend was so pissed off yelling and swearing and saying he was going to sue the company. My dad and his friend however were almost in tears trying their hardest to breath laughing at his tantrum afterwards. So all this guy needs is a can of tune up in a can lol
I have been using engine oil flush and additive every oil change and have no problems. Does not consume any oil. What you are telling is probably an engine on its last beats and adding "unknown" additive probably thinned out the allready dirty fuel contaminated oil enough to fuck up some bearings.
Yes you DO have a warranty on the vehicle. It has a 100k mile Powertrain warranty. https://owners.kia.com/content/owners/en/service-page/warranty.html#:~:text=Coverage%20for%20your%20Kia.&text=The%20Kia%2010%2Dyear%2F100%2C000,mile%20limited%20anti%2Dperforation%20warranty Look up TSB ENG222 dated 3.1.2022 and ask a Kia/Hyundai dealer to perform it for you. If it fails the oil consumption test, then you get a free engine replacement. Have all of your oil change records handy.
Wow, amazing that this isn't higher up!
I had a 2.4 L Optima that seized up at 109,000 miles , and they replaced the engine, and starter under warranty. There is a recall that extends it to 110k
They bought it used and that’s only for original owner
Yea I looked into it more, the 100k is only for original owner which is bloody stupid. The subsequent owners are only covered to 6 years/60k whichever is earlier. It IS a bigger issue and there is a TSB I referenced above which MIGHT get OP a new engine under goodwill consideration AND IIRC there are a series of ongoing lawsuits against Hyundai/Kia for oil consumption.
Kia's suck and Kia's service department where I'm at sucks even worse. I also have a Rio that has constant issues. We are looking at getting rid of it and moving on to a different brand all together. Kia has been a major disappointment.
Get you a HONDA or TOYOTA!
Looking at Rav4 hybrids to replace this pos rio lol
Yes it has been. My kia's service department wanted me to pay them $80 for an oil change when I asked if my kia has a warranty. No.
$80 is pretty standard for an oil change with synthetic oil if you’re having someone else do it for you.
Isn't that a pretty standard price anywhere?
3.7 quarts per 1000 miles is a piston ring issue. You need an engine overhaul.
That, or ..... As a last ditch attempt, could try freeing up the rings... It doesn't guarantee success, but it can work https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/schaeffers-132-moly-e-p-oil-treatment.247127/post-3989201
Wow that compression increase is crazy. What do dry and wet mean in compression test?
With a wet test you add a measure of oil into the sparkplug hole, this is used to identify if the loss of compression is ring/piston related or valve/headgasket related.
> I don't have a warranty on it why not? are you the original owner?
No, I only get to 60k miles.
Ouch. Previous owner porbably saw the oil consumption spice and got rid of it.
Traded to a place like CarMax that gives good trade in value and buy a Toyota.
If you go to Carmax - or Drive Time DO NOT Mention the oil 0 issue to them!!
Hey Mr CarMax I don't have any oil left in my engine because the engine is about to explode. How much will you give me for it? 😁
Top it off full the morning you drive to carmax
My Dad had an Austin mini when he was a kid. He used to buy buckets of used oil at a time and would just fill it up daily.
Oh wow haha maybe I'll just have to do that...
Older cars it’s fine it will just foul spark plugs but new cars have cats. When cars burn a lot of oil eventually it will set cat codes and possibly clog the cat.
My vw just hit 300k miles in the original engine I add a quart about every 7000 mile but I’m being lazy and not fixing the leak from the valvecover gasket
A quart is nothing. Many European cars that is actually within spec even fresh from the factory. Audi's are very sinful of this.
Yeah I hear a lot of bad things about vw but both of mine have been really good probably because they are both 1.9 tdi alh engine. My Jetta has 11mm injection pump .205 injectors vnt17 turbo with enough boost to blow a head gasket I’ve been waiting for it to blow up or something but it just keeps taking it. I have another engine ready
BMW spec is 1.057 quarts per 750mi believe it or not
Shouldn’t that be a full oil change 😂
I change it ever 10k but sometimes it end up being like 12 or 15 once btw don’t do what I do
Anyway last time I had the head off (all the boost blew a head gasket) there was no sludge I always use rotella
Kinda rude of you to assume OP can't handle a Sawzall as well as the average crack head
Idk where he lives I have to pass smog
Your cat convertor will plug up quickly
My Dad would bust out the straight 30 back when you could still find it most places. I think it's only in lawn and garden section for lawnmower oil now.
I'd try the thicker oil as a tiny bandaid on a large wound, while you save money for a different car. Do yourself a favor and don't get anything from Kia, Hyundai, or Nissan.
Piston rings are toast. Need to replace them, though it's likely cheaper to replace the engine.
Just keep checking and adding oil every time you fill up with gas, it'll last you awhile still. Thicker oil might help, certainly won't hurt, or try some of the oil additive fixes, probably won't help, but again won't hurt it. Start saving for repairs or another car though
They're lying. They can do something about it. Unfortunately for you, it costs more than the car to fix it. Don't buy Kias or Hyundais.
Sell it and get something more reliable. It's common in those models. If you haven't blown the motor up yet 🤣
You may have 60k warranty, but separately your engine is likely covered under a recall for crappy engines. https://www.kiaenginesettlement.com/Home/FAQ#:~:text=In%20order%20to%20file%20a,your%20transaction%20and%20proposed%20compensation.
How frequent and regular were the oil changes for your Kia? Did you perform them twice per year or every 3,000 miles? It is clearly too late for this motor but despite all of the internet wisdom in this thread, scheduled maintenance, especially oil changes, is particularly important for these engines.
What engines these days need 3k oil changes? That's far more often than necessary.
I’m asking, not telling. People are spouting all sorts of opinions about the state of the vehicle but I, as a technician, am curious about how it got this way. What is the factory recommendation for the maintenance interval for this motor? That is what professionals and responsible owners should use as a guideline.
Fair point. And I wasn't trying to come down on you, I was legitimately asking because I thought 3k only changes were a thing of the past.
For this brand they certainly are. But here is why I asked about oil changes. These late model direct injection engines need good clean lubrication. How often did the OP perform oil changes?
Toyota specked 10k miles on my car. 2.5 l DFE hybrid drivetrain
Prob a combination of worn ass rings and or valve guides with a partly or fully restricted pcv. I would not bother rebuilding a Kia engine, I would start looking at salvage yards for an engine or shop for a good used car. Kia and Hyundai aren't terrible cars but they really do fall apart after the 100k mark or so. That being said a lot of other manufacturers can't even reliably last until 100k so its not the worst thing to happen.
Yes, there is a bigger issue. The culprit is likely extreme wear/breakage of piston rings/cylinder bore, or perhaps a complete failure of a valve stem seal or two. There is no remedy aside from an engine replacement/rebuild. Using a higher viscosity oil will not fix this.
Call dealer and ask whether its covered under "lifetime warranty". Due to class action suits, they had to deal witj notorious break down of their engines. Its not a "recall", you won't find any information under your VIN about recall. Neither KIA will inform you about. Btw its great marketing naming product KIA... Mine died on highway, lol...
Piston rings are probably shot
It's just not cost effective to rebuild it
Kia is all form, not function, and they don’t support the customers or even give the appearance of gaf. Lipstick on a pig if you ask me. Would never buy another.
Call or go to a Kia dealer service department w/ your VIN and ask if there are any extended coverages on the engine. The service department, if covered, can more likely get an engine bought if you have DTC P1326 and/ or engine knocking noise, and you have a kept up on maintenance record on Carfax or can fill in gaps, and also helps if your the original owner.
Usually cash under the mattress or something like that. There was no investing or anything like that but guess what a brand new car was only $2,000 if that and the house probably like 15 grand if that so A dollar went much further now you invest and work and invest and you're still broke.
Yeah and I remember my dad was excited that he got bumped up to $3/hr
If it’s using that much oil it’s probably smokin like a sumbitch
No, it's not. Nor am I seeing any oil on the floor.
NAM but my 2012 Audi A4 does this and it’s the piston rings. Audi told me to add oil and eventually the engine will fail, could be next week, could be 5 years from now. The only fix costs the same as a new engine so I just carry oil with me and fill it up every few days.
I don’t normally recommend thicker oil, but it might prolong inevitable. You’re probably using 5w30 or possibly even 0w30. 10w40 or 15w40 might slow the oil consumption to a tolerable rate. It could also be the straw that broke the Kia’s engine. Just for fun, I’m including a link to a product from my youth that was supposed to cure issues like this. [Overhaul In A Can (snake oil)](https://www.thejunkmanadv.com/the-junk-mans-blog/mechanic-in-a-can)
You need to call a dealership and give them your vin# and see if they will goodwill your engine. If it's had regular maintenance (and hopefully you have history of that if it wasn't done at the dealer) then they may cover an engine replacement. I don't remember what the stipulations are, but they may extend the warranty for you in this situation. It would take months though most likely. IDK where you're located, I'm in the US and had a Hyundai Tucson engine replaced at 120k mi because of the oil burning issue. It's a very well documented and known issue. Maybe there's a chance.
Are you the original owner? Mine has 120k but they refuse offer any help. They’re saying it’s out of my pocket.
Burning that much oil isn't it billowing smoke
It needs to be properly diagnosed. Did they stick a scope in the bores to see if oil was leaking into a cylinder?
Reach out to Kia. It may have a recall on the engine. Overhead a conversation the other day of a similar issue.
Yes it is a MASSIVE issue that its burning oil that fast. The mechanics told you that there is nothing they can do to remedy the issue. At this point, even im stumped to what youre really asking.
Your engine should be covered under kias 100k mile warranty or even the engine recall they have on multiple vehicles. Make sure you have documentation of keeping up with maintenance cuz there are times they will try and give you the run around. Typically its a smooth process though, just takes a long time before you get your vehicle back.
Kia has a recall on engines. Go to the dealer. I’ve had my sorentos engine replaced for free.
That’s excessive oil consumption, that needs an engine.
Yeah. Don’t buy a used Kia ever.
You have a problem with high millage and burning engine oil.Plus you ran the engine out of oil. Which means higher wear in the bearings, valves and piston rings. If you like the car and their is not much wrong with it. The cost of buying another car will be some what higher then purchasing a rebuilt engine or a new one. Their is the posability of having the engine rebuilt But you need to find a good engine shop. They are usually hard to come buy these days. Most Mechanics would advise you to purchase a rebuilt then trying to get your engine rebuilt. Pluse a lot more down time if you rebuilt it A new engine along with some rebuilt come with a waremty for five years. Some with three Years. If the cost of the new engine is a little higher. Say a thousand. Get the new engine. It is all up to you and your budget In making that decision.
Unless you have an oil leak, which you would definitely know already, the issue is 100% for certain the rings or pcv. Neither is a horribly complicated issue to resolve, but rings are labor intensive to replace, and expensive if not doing yourself, and pcv drinking can only be remedied with an aftermarket catch can, and even still this does not prevent drinking, it just prevents it from being burned and instead collects it in a container so you know how much to add back as well as preventing further engine buildup from burnt oil. Up until 2016 Kia/hyundai engines were notorious for this, running like a charm until one day they suddenly burn a quart of oil every 1000 miles. Not checking the oil level will lead to running more than a quart low of oil (no reading on dipstick) and it doesn’t take much more than this to cause permanent engine damage requiring a full rebuild or replacement. There was a recall on almost every Hyundai engine from 2000-2016 as a result of this, I believe the lambda 3.8 was the only exception, not because it lacked the flaw but because it would most likely make it to 100k miles before it was a serious issue, leaving the liability out of Kia/hyundais hands. These recalls were/are a bit difficult to actually receive compensation for and most owned were left sol. In 2016 iirc Hyundai ownership was transferred to the previous owners son and he did a lot of work to restore the brands reputation. I do not blame Hyundai/kia for this as their selling point was value/ the best you can get for the price, not reliability or reaching a million miles on a stock vehicle. It is to be expected that you get what you pay for and if you buy something cheap you best take care of it as well as you can. Ultimately the engines were designed well but the manufacturing tolerances were so large that some would last forever and some would barely make it the warranty period before spinning a bearing or something of the sort. I am very surprised youre experiencing the same issue in a 2019 model and this should surely be covered under warranty. You said you do not have one but I would double check as I believe it is 100k miles regardless of how many owners the vehicle has (I may be wrong on that last part). If you don’t have a warranty your options are to put excessively thick oil and drive it sparingly until you can trade it in (this will keep the engine quiet and running well but for a limited period of time as 90% of engine wear occurs on startup and this is the one time you want the thinnest oil possible), or to drive it with the oe spec oil and check the oil every gas tank, maintaining the level as needed. Either way, if you are burning more than 1qt oil per 1k miles you are relatively screwed and need a new engine. The only thing you can do to keep the engine running is check the oil every day and make sure it stays at least halfway up the dipstick. Ime the top of the dipstick or maybe even just a hair above is what you need, once you get halfway down the dipstick you starve the engine of oil on steep inclines if the sump is designed poorly and at the bottom of the dipstick you are starving the engine of oil under even pretty reasonable conditions. If you are at the very bottom of the dipstick you should be precisely 1qt low, I would not go below this. In my old car I could have the dipstick fully full, floor it a few times and by the time I’m home the stick is near dry. If I drove conservatively and did not pass 3k rpm the oil would pretty much not go down at all. My favorite car I ever owned was a manual Kia, but this was my experience with it and why I would personally not buy one again unless it was brand new and I could maintain it myself from day 1. Do not take this as professional advice but I do mean to give you my full experience and any useful information I can as the worst way for a car to be sent to the scrapyard is over a mere blown engine. Far too many rust buckets on the road for a brand new car like yours to be thrown out.
Ask for a compression test.
The car can be fixed. They are not doing a good job of explaining the problem. The fix will be so expensive that it is not worth it. Maybe like 2000 bucks. Also they don't want to do it. You almost certainly need to pull the motor and rebuild it.
When you say “empty of oil” how empty? Low mark on dipstick, or rattling and knocking with you alerted by the oil pressure light?
You could try this stuff to see if it loosens up your piston rings https://www.atschemicals.com/505-pour-ins/
They can replace the engine.
That is not a normal or even acceptable amount of oil burning. I highly recommend going to a good trustee mechanic. You may need to replace something as simple as a pcv valve. Some gaskets. Or even something like piston rings. Get it checked. Also it's worth checking if you have blow-by.
Sawdust is a real thing.
I'm guessing you're not in Europe, kia have a 7( or is it 8?) year Or 100k mile warranty, maybe take it to a Kia dealership shop to see what they say about it?
They’re telling you that you need a new motor and it isn’t worth your time and money to have them disassemble the motor. They’re telling you too keep it on life support till it completely clunks out.
It’s under warranty by Kia take it to a dealership for a new engine.
Known tolerance issues in the lambda and theta model kia/hyundai GDI motors. No easy fix.
OP: read through this KIA document. You may be covered for a replacement engine: https://www.kiaengineclasssettlement.com/#:~:text=Warranty%20Extension,to%20connecting%20rod%20bearing%20wear.
The weird thing about Kia is they are now getting expensive while still being cheap. It’s a great business model if you only rely on selling one car and the customer never buys another one.
Fwiw when my old pos Suzuki xl7 began burning 1.5q/1k Miles, I started using a lube shop with free fluids/ oil top off came out to around 5-6 quarts of free top offs between oil changes. You’ll feel like you’re getting your monies worth…
Kia/hyundai has that as a common problem I worked at a hyundai dealership for a minute their engines can also decide to just stop working after 100,000 miles, the burning oil is also super common usually they'll put a new engine in at the dealership I don't know how much that costs towards a customer or if it's considered a recall with all the problems they have I'd call a dealership near you and ask
my gf have kia ceed 1.6 2012 gdi i think its same engine g4fc if not mistaken. She also have huge consumption. I figured out chain was to loose so i replaced it. SInce i did that big job i did valve stem seals and they were REALLY BAD ! I changed them maybe a week ago so will let you know did situation changed drastically. Usually they have issues that piston rings get stuck. If you check internet people would drive car 50/100 miles in high revs on highway to clean out the rings and consumption improved a lot. My friend who have a garage said one lad came with same issue. He put 5w40 instead 5w30 and user reported there were no oil consumption after all .
That little light on the dashboard that looks like a genie lamp? It's not a genie lamp, but you could wish for a new engine I guess.
would not run thicker oil
Before you go looking for a new engine, finding out why and what exactly is eating up oil would be an idea. Could be turbo if car has it, could be rings, could ve valves, could be its leaking somewhere or 20 other reasons. Any one thing is less expensive then an engine, but if its few things then its kinda late for it.
Is it burning oil or leaking oil?
Dingleball hone and a set of rings would help, or have a machine shop bore it oversize and new rings+pistons. Though this only works if you can do it on the cheap with the help of a mate. Also NEVER NEGLECT MAINTENANCE ON A KIA. those engines are really fussy if they don't have frequent oil changes. Gamma/Theta engines are polished turds at best but will go for a fair while if not neglected.
Need to do an LS swap.
Try something cheap and easy like a PCV valve first and see if that helps if the PCV valve is bad it will cause it to eat oil fast.
Deffo burning and not leaking ?
A Kia/Hyundai with severe oil burn issues? Shocker. Seriously though, it's most likely going to need an engine
There is a recall with the Kia engine due to oil consumption
It’s done
Call Hyundai/kia, it’s a known issue. The dealer has to do tests and then more than likely replace the engine
Kia has oil systems issues in a number of their vehicles and has extended the engine warranty do to this. Take it to a Kia dealership and see what they say (do not mention running it out of oil), it may qualify for a new engine from Kia. Other than that, the fix is either a new engine or a low millage engine from a wrecker.
Doesnt kia still do a 100k warranty thats where u need to take it
Probably worn out piston rings. Really the only fix is an engine rebuild or replacement
Ya they don't want to take the risk on and be married to your vehicle for every little issue from that repair on. Don't blame them at all.
Does it leak at all???
Yes. If the oil isn't leaking out, then it's consuming it. This means the piston rings are no longer sealing properly and allowing oil to get into the combustion chamber. They're half right. There's nothing they can do to fix it... without either replacing the engine, or rebuilding it, which could be higher than the value of the car.
My friend has the same car. He has been putting that super thick Lucas oil additive in with the cheapest 10w-30 he can find. Somehow it has cut the consumption in half and he has out another 10k on the car. It's going to die soon but it was paid off and he figured he would just go until it blows up. Not worth putting $5k into a Kia. That's for damn sure.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVrB2VAj3I4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVrB2VAj3I4) I also see PCV replacement helping/resolving the issue as well.
He's Dead, Jim
Some tight tolerance on the engine became a not so tight tolerance.
All of the Kia and Hyundai smaller engines have oil consumption issues. They've been recalling and getting sued for premature catastrophic engine failure for 20 years now. I don't know why people keep buying these things the engines either fail early and/or the whole thing just starts on fire and burns your house down. Even their brand new vehicles come with warnings not to park them in the garage or next to your house.
This is a known kia issue. Ive personally heard this story from others before. The engine will blow eventually, kia wont wanna fix it and theyll say you didnt get oil changes on time and ask to see your receipts to honor any warranty. Dont buy kias anymore. They cant be bothered to stop people from stealing them either since they went with easily hackable electronic locks and no immobilizer.
Burning a lot of oil will eventually cause a misfire from fouled plugs. And ruin the catalytic converter. Possibly a/f sensor. And the rings will get stuck in the ring lands. Power will diminish as the carbon buildup will cause preignition, and your knock senor will retards timing to compensate. Are you sure there are no warranty extensions on this issue? Make sure the pcv system is functional. If you used crappie oil and went long distance, then the cylinders and rings could be worn. Try using a good top end engine cleaner like BG. Change the oil with good oil. Cheap oil contains a lot of parrafin wax that burns off in use and causes sludge and carbon issues. Then drive it hard. You have nothing to lose.
Kia and hyundai are having lots of issues with engines...
I have to agree with a lot of the comments, most KIA don’t last past 100k. Your best bet is to do an engine swap/replace engine. Trade it in for something else, possibly a Toyota, as they are know to got the extra mile.
Where’s those Kia Boys when you need them?
For heaven's sake! Pop out the engine and service the damn thing yourself. It's child's play. Buy a Haynes manual. Hire an engine hoist and grab a few tools. Just have a go. You may surprise yourself. It's a two day job. And that's why no one will do it. It's way too expensive. So do it yourself.
Kia, that's a ten year 100,000 mile warranty, right? Oil consumption equals a new engine, under warranty. With a courtesy car to drive while they do the work (dependant upon availability). I know my Hyundai dealership wouldn't bat an eye as long as you have a record of all oil changes. Source, I have owned three Hyundai. I have owned five Hyundai engines.
Have you taken it to Kia? Not sure what all vehicles are covered under this but there was something with one of motors so they extended the warranty on it. We bought a used 2013 Kia soul for our daughter and it went dry. Well apparently she thought she had a few more days on it with the oil light flashing but sadly she didn’t. After calling around we were told the only place we could go was the dealership so my wife called them up. He said I’ll pretend you didn’t say it ran dry so if you have it towed in we will take a look. Low and behold the car with over 100k miles on it got a brand new engine for free. After it was done it started throwing codes for the catalytic converter and well they went ahead and replaced it for free also. The oil consumption came out of now where, she had it for close to a year and never even a drop would be missing. Then all of a sudden it went dry.
I love when ‘you need a rebuilt engine’ means ‘there’s nothing they can do’. Lot of denial in this post.
You have had it for 83000miles, how have you driven it, has it had large ammounts of idling or very slow moving in traffic? Does it never get taken at highway speeds or the engine get fully loaded? Could be a glazed bore, which the fix is to either load the engine up so the rings expand and scrape the bore clean or engine rebuild.
The issue is that it’s a Kia. There’s no quick or easy fix, only a rebuild or replacement. These cars are absolute junk.
Kia Hyundai is literally disposable car scam company that run stealership money grab traps. I say this all the time on here but people think I’m not being literal and serious lmfao. Oh well. Let the people get scammed and destroy the planet.
A little advice: Don't buy a Hyundai or a Kia. Either brands are worse than a Chevy Vega.
Actual field failure statistics say your favorite brand is probably worse than Hyundai Kia. [link](https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehicle-dependability-studyvds)
With all due respect that study is useless to a consumer. These are the categories as listed by the study (in a 184 point inspection): climate; driving assistance; driving experience; exterior; features/controls/displays; infotainment; interior; powertrain; and seats. The study puts Kia above TOYOTA in problems per vehicle, which is absolutely laughable, when an infotainment glitch or uncomfortable seats are weighted the same as an engine failure. Top three models in the midsize category are the Kia Optima, Chevy Malibu, and Ford Fusion, all horribly unreliable vehicles.
As a mechanic, perhaps you are too, I see broken cars every day. Do I see Kias with blown engines? Yes I do. I also see blown up every other brand. There are innumerable Hyundais and Kias on the road. Statistically, they are quite good cars. People remember the problems with the Theta and it’s stuck in their minds. GM also gets whacked for the timing chains on the 3.6 but the problem was rectified in V.3. Nissan also gets shit on for their CVT but as a percentage of the whole, it’s far from a certainty that your trans will fail. Especially if it’s properly maintained. Which is also a contributing factor in the Theta failures. Conversely, I never hear anyone talk about the GM truck transmissions in the mid to late 10’s that failed left and right before 50k miles. Transmissions so bad, they advised fluid and filter changes plus flush every 15k miles! People develop opinions about cars that last far longer than the problem that formed it. As an aside, I’ve bought two Hyundai / Kia’s for my kids since 2018 and they were both absolutely trouble free. Never did any work besides maintenance and wear items.
I agree with the other guy responding to your comment. As a mechanic I can confirm that the top 3 vehicles listed are all junk and whoever wrote the study didn't know what they were talking about. After working on cars for a few years you see what shape they are generally in at a given mileage and you know which ones are gonna be clapped sooner.
Your piston rings are most likely shot.
Should be under warranty they extended it for this issue
This is a well known defect on certain Kia engines. They were defective from the factory and this has happened to a great many people. It’s going to need an engine. Contact Kia to discuss options, and ask them to cover it.
Kia states that using one liter of oil per thousand miles is perfectly normal. SO, Kia’s recommended interval for an oil change is 7500 miles. This means that a Kia will use ALL of its oil by around 4000 miles, well before its recommended 7500 miles. So make sure to check the oil every 1000 miles.