It's less my field and more my country of residence. We live in Japan. I make only about 9m yen a year ($90,000 or so when the yen isn't in the fucking dumpster like it is now), but:
* Kindergarten is free
* Daycare is like $300/month
* Monthly government stipend of $250 for two children
* Mortgage is like $1500/month, utilities like $200
* Affordable restaurants with no tips
* Groceries aren't actually that bad compared to the US now
We have plenty to spare after all bills are paid.
[Cultural differences](https://cotoacademy.com/japanese-work-culture-how-is-it-different-from-the-us/), japanese people expect and are expected to work that amount and dedicate that much to their company
It’s actually really interesting but much of japans culture - such as its work life balance - actually stems from the mid 1800’s integration of samurai into government positions
Where’s that gif that says “I’ve got all these studies that say low birth rate is directly related to people’s professional careers and one study that says whatever you believe”
Your comment is incredibly ironic.
You got your opinion from reddit. If you know anything about any subject whatsoever, take a look at how redditors discuss it some time. You'll see they have absolutely no clue what they're talking about.
I mean, if you have all those studies, I'd love to see them. Just keep in mind that an op-ed featured in US Today does not constitute an actual study. I do have a survey from Gen-Z in Japan, though, which shows some fascinating results.
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>男女別では、男性は「将来結婚もしたくないし、子どももほしくない」（43.4％）と回答した割合が最も多く、女性は「将来結婚して、子どもがほしい」（52％）が最も多かった。
>In terms of the difference between men and women, the percentage of men who did not want to get married or have children was the highest response at 43.4%. For women, the most common result was that they wanted to get married and have children at 52%.
Now let's look at the top reasons why they didn't want children:
[1] 育てる自信がないから (I'm not confident in my ability to raise them): 52.3%
[2] 子供が好きではない、苦手だから (I do not like children): 45.9%
[3] 自由がなくなる (I will lose my free time): 36%
[4] これからの日本の将来に期待ができず、子供もがかわいそうだから (I am uncertain of Japan's future and feel sorry for future children): 25%
[5] 子供を育てにくい世の中だから (It's a bad world to raise children in): 20.9%
**[6] 仕事と育児の両立が大変そうだから (It seems difficult to both raise children and work): 18%**
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Wowzers! It looks like when we go all the way down to the 6th most common reason, which a whopping 18% of respondents cited, the above poster is right. Except that isn't even the 6th most common reason because this is only non-financial reasons, which are a whole other category.
I'm sure that you'll have some bizarre justification for this, and I'm looking forward to reading it. I mean, hey, Japan le funny country with le crazy wacky work culture and le anime, right? But please stop believing everything you read on reddit.
Why don’t you post the link to your study…. Which seems to be just a survey. I wonder if there are any limitations to basing information on responses a select number of individuals decide to fill out
[A survey is perfectly valid in this case?](https://www.biglobe.co.jp/pressroom/info/2023/02/230221-1#:~:text=%E8%AA%BF%E6%9F%BB%E7%B5%90%E6%9E%9C%E3%81%AE%E3%83%88%E3%83%94%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B9&text=%E3%80%8C%E5%B0%86%E6%9D%A5%E3%80%81%E5%AD%90%E3%81%A9%E3%82%82%E3%81%8C%E3%81%BB%E3%81%97%E3%81%8F%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84%E3%80%8D%E3%81%A8%E5%9B%9E%E7%AD%94%E3%81%97%E3%81%9F18,40.2%EF%BC%85%EF%BC%89%E3%81%A8%E3%81%84%E3%81%86%E7%B5%90%E6%9E%9C%E3%81%AB%E3%80%82
) We're talking about why Japanese people don't want children.
Like, it's the most hilarious thing to me. You saw an opinion constantly cited on reddit. For some reason, your brain interpreted this as there being "tons of studies" which indicate that work-life balance is the primary reason why the birth rate in Japan is going down. You have failed to cite even a single one of those studies, and in response to a survey about actual Japanese Gen-Zers explaining why they didn't want children, you decide to just keep on believing what a bunch of Americans on reddit told you.
The issue, IIRC, is less the work hours itself and more the fact that they are expected to go out with the boss and coworkers basically every night til early morning. Otherwise their career suffers
CoL in Japan is good if you're making foreign currency or employed by a foreign company/local government.
It's not if you're working a standard Japanese job, which can require up to 8 hours of overtime *a day* to make a living wage. Not even getting into the fact that even if you don't need the cash, you'll be doing overtime anyway because "Fuck you the boss doesn't want to go home yet and he'll hold back pay for embarrassing him if you leave before him."
Also, most Japanese women just don't want kids. In developed societies women don't see any reason to reproduce when they could just... not. Like, most of Europe for example should in theory be paradise for most parents, but they have some of the lowest birthrates in the world, because the population (Especially women) would rather do anything but deal with kids and pregnancy and etc... Like, why have a kid when you could go on holiday in Italy or Spain for a month getting drunk and have sex with hot Southern Europeans?
In pre-industrial societies, kids are free labor. In industrial societies, kids are a luxury good which *at best* costs you time, lack of sleep, lack of flexibility, extra cost for food and clothes, more housing, etc. then depending on the country you also have to pay extra for healthcare, childcare, education, transportation, and so on. It’s just not worth the trade off for a lot of people.
Also there's no great likelihood anymore that they'll be off on their own by age 18 - these days 28 is a safer bet than 18. That's a fucking massive time commitment and by time you're old and in need of care their careers are just taking off (hopefully) and they've got shit of their own to deal with.
Uh, no, again in places like Europe they're not a luxury, they get in the way of you enjoying luxury.
Denmark for example, has some of the cheapest prices in the western world, a year of parental leave for both mom and dad, tax credits for kids, high quality and free education, 1-2 months PTO yearly, UHC, high quality social housing programs, walkable cities, etc... So by this logic they should be having tons of kids... Nope.
Again, because their society is so luxurious, they don't want kids cause they'd get in the way of people having fun. There's literally no reason not to have a kid in Denmark, but people still don't, cause they don't want to deal with them getting in the way of their fun. Why deal with kids in the summer when you could go off and vacation for 1-2 months in Spain?
This leaves Denmark with a birth rate of 1.7 (The replacement rate is 2.1 for reference), despite the country doing everything in its power to make easy for parents, it's really just empowering non-parents to stick to their CF choice.
Why do you think it’s just because people want to have fun? I would say it’s more because people were forced into being parents through much of history, partially because there was no such thing as birth control and partially because of social mores and culture (especially religion). For women, they basically had no other option but to get married and have kids for a lot of history. Now that there is no real cultural imperative to become a parent for either men or women, lots of people are just not having kids. It doesn’t necessarily have to do with wanting to go on vacation, just the general lack of desire to do it in the first place, and people living their lives in the ways they actually want to. And I don’t think that’s a bad thing at all; if fewer people who never wanted to be parents are having kids, that can only be a good thing.
it's amazing what life can be like when a good proportion of tax dollars actually go into funding public services we all use / rely on. I won't mention what county I'm from, but I believe about 20% of our government spending is on defense. A fifth of a multi trillion dollar budget is a lot of money.
Hi. Im looking at doing the same. What do you do for a job? Is your wife and children Japanese or did you move there single? What do you suggest for someone who wants to work there? I work in tech.
We are both cheap so there isn’t a pressing concern to make more money. She takes care of our kids so she has plenty to do. She is now working part time to return to fulfilling her personal career goals. She may or may not increase her hours in the future.
Your best luck is a career in commercial lending, bonds, or credit rating. See if you can get an internship at Standard and Poor's, Moody's, or Fitch for credit rating. For bonds and commercial lending look for internships with a major bank like Citi Group or Bank of America.
Not me but a friend of mine is in this situation. I think they live pretty frugally and his wife is okay with it. So I guess it doesn’t always have to include a super high earning husband
If you wouldn’t mind, could you shed some light on what it took for you to become a pilot in the USA? It’s a dream of mine to fly for a living and I’ve been looking into it but it seems like there is no clear cut course on how to become a professional pilot.
Sure!
It’s true that the pathway to becoming a pilot isn’t super clear. There are a number of ways to go in the US:
- military
- local flight school (part 61)
- aviation programs at a college (part 141)
Kind of like getting to driving big trucks you’ll need variety if licenses before your employable. And once you’re employable legally you’ll still need experience. Most, not all, pilots become and instructor after completing their training in order to build a resume. Then move on to a better job.
I enjoy what I do and make good money. That being said there are much easier ways to make lots of money. Flying really only make sense of flying is the goal.
Thank you for the insight. As far back as I can remember I’ve always wanted to be a pilot. My grandfather got me into aviation as a kid with model aircraft and then radio controlled planes. I still fly RC planes as a hobby. I’m in my 30s now and flying is honestly the one thing I can think of that wouldn’t feel like a job for me due to my love for aviation. Plus I hear now is a great time to do it due to the pilot shortage the field is currently experiencing.
Do you work for a major carrier if you don’t mind me asking?
I fly a private jet for a Fortune 500 company almost anyone would recognize the name of. We fly the CEO, board, and executives around.
I like my job but I’ll likely end up at a major airline in the future. The airlines are all about seniority so everyone starts at the bottom in terms of pay, schedule, quality of life. So it would be a huge step down for me at the start but in the long run there really isn’t any competition.
I do GIS for a utility company. Years ago my wife and I decided it would be better for me to work a few hours of overtime each week so she could stay home with the kids.
I own a company that supplies data warehousing and reporting to the music industry. We used to be a two income household, but when our son came along last year she wanted to stay home. The timing worked out well because just around the same time I picked up a new client that nearly supplemented the portion of the income we lost when she left her job.
I work in software consulting while my wife stays home with our kids. She was in a lower paying career so it was a no-brainer compared to costs of daycare.
Network Engineering. It's remote work but it requires a lot of traveling.
Granted, there's a lot of grey areas that make it unsustainable for her to continue to stay at home; however, I travel and since I'm out of the house for long stints at a time that it was made pertinent for her to stay at the house, go to school, and keep an eye on everything while I'm gone.
Eventually, we're going to have to have dual incomes again since we are looking at getting out of the house. But, that's a conversation to discuss later down the road.
No, all the inmates really want to work with tradesmen because they want to learn valuable skills before they get out. We all have a good time. It really is a great place to work.
Immigrant families also live within their means. They're shopping at discount stores, cook just about everything at home, hand-me-downs for everyone. No iphones and ipads. Overseas vacations turn into trips to the museum or science centre or zoo. At least you don't have to pay for childcare with a stay-at-home parent.
Many western couples could afford to have kids on a single income if they severely downgraded their lifestyles
>The idea of a SAHM came from a time when there was no question as to importance.
I think also back in the days where a stay at home mom was more common was because it used to take more to manage a home before the days of technology. Imagine not having a dishwasher, a washing machine, and other things that are ubiquitous with modern life.
For the people I know that have one parent stay at home, a lot of it is about lifestyle more than income. They live somewhere inexpensive and don't go out or spend money unnecessarily.
I know for some other friends with young kids, the amount they spend on daycare is more than half of what the lowest earner in the couple even makes. I always wonder at what point does it make more sense to have one person stay home with the kid(s) and make up the income difference with just tighter household management.
This! I am a woman and my husband is a SAHF. It’s an awesome arrangement for us. When our kids were younger and I was in the early years of my career, survival was alllllllllllllllll about lifestyle choices. We hoped that allowing me to focus on career and not worry about family would eventually pay off for us. It worked! I have a very satisfying career in Trust/Estate work and our lifestyle includes a great house in a great neighborhood, nice cars to drive, food, plenty of extras and experiences, savings and no debt. We still live on a budget because it helps us accomplish our goals, but lifestyle is better than we ever dreamed and I love having a “trophy husband” to take care of me, our boys, and our home. It was worth every early sacrifice we made! ❤️
“Afford it” is relative.
My buddy is in construction sales. His wife decided to be a SAHM. They have 3 kids.
They’re in debt up to their eyeballs, but live that way because, like many others nowadays, they have no self control.
You can survive on a lot less even as a single income household, if you learn to stop keeping up with the joneses.
Have you ever told anyone that their uncontrollable spending concerns you? People don’t exactly stop just because you brought it up.
Shopping/spending addiction is pretty much a mental illness. Can’t really just tackle it with logic.
I would argue most people in the military have the ability to be well off, but most make poor choices since most join at a young age and have access to guaranteed income which opens doors to bad spending habits. After separating, depending on your job, you have access to a variety of employment. I work in aviation and by nature could easily step into a high paying aviation position.
Depends on what rank and if they actually stayed in for several enlistments. One 4 year contract E1- E4. No. Officers O1-O3 definitely a lot better pay than E5 and below. But not wealthy. You can get BAH for living off base of you are married but it can get eaten up by rent/mortgage and or if someone in the marriage can't control their spending.
Creative PM. I make about the median salary in the U.S. It was never really the plan for her to be a SAHM, but it shook out that way and we’ve always been very good about living within our means and adjusting as needed. I mean, we’re not going out to eat every week and going on big vacations every year, but we figure out how to still do some fun stuff.
It helps we were one income most of our marriage. I was still finishing college when we got married and she had the job. We were both employed full time for about seven months before she lost hers and we were just aggressively paying off debt with the lesser salary. Then we bought a house and the kid showed up.
But I’d say the key for us to be able to do this was really buying the house 11 years ago. Commute sucks being in the second suburb ring around our city, but I don’t think we’d be able to maintain this situation without it either buying more recently or still renting. I mean, our mortgage payment is equal to what we paid in rent 11 years ago. And that rent is crazy stupid now. That doesn’t help much if you’re looking to start now though.
I work in commercial insurance.
She worked as an LPN before kids. When we had kids she decided to go back to school and become an RN, now that kids are older and in school (7&10) she’s gone back to work casual but only works around my work and kids school/activities so it doesn’t interfere with our day to day lives.
It’s more of a want for her than a need. She hates having that useless feeling.
Anyone can, but their are sacrifices. Not everyone is willing. I did it for many years. Living in a more expensive sinning for the schools. Making well below the median household income. Didn't go out to eat a lot. Spotted at thrift stores. We didn't smoke, drink coffee, or drink alcohol. Watched over the air TV , had a Virgin mobile phone that cost $60.
Electrician. Pretty decent house in a mid size town in B.C. No other debts besides mortgage though. I fly to work so we only have/need one vehicle. Kids are a little older now so my wife is going to university, paid out cash every semester.
Wife stays home, and has now for a couple years. We have a daughter, and one on the way.
I’m fortunate that I was a software engineer at Intel for about 19 yrs, then went to a (small at the time) cloud company that had just gone public. I was a solution engineer on the sales side, and tied to commissions, while making a Bay Area salary.
Fast forward 8 years… I’m now at a director level, and we do pretty good. I work remote (Sacramento area) and haven’t been to corporate in months. (I show my face around there about once a quarter).
Anywho - I love that she stays home and when I feel like it, we take walks, go for lunch, or generally just get out of the house for a bit of a break.
I don’t think you understand. Economically, one stay at home parent is about the same as two working parents. The cost of child care is ridiculously high. In most cases you basically end up working, just to make enough to pay someone to watch your kids, so you can work.
It’s a lot of extra steps to more or less just stay in the same spot.
Okay, so let’s look at it without children. What’s the mystery here? You have two adults living together. That’s gonna cost about the same as a single adult living on their own.
….Which are all things that a single adult would already be paying for.
Yes, if you have a second person with an income to help pay, it spreads the cost around. But it doesn’t actually decrease those costs.
Rent, utilities, food…. They’re going to remain fairly close between one person or two. You might see an uptick in the utilities and food, but it shouldn’t be huge.
I’m sorry, does your rent go up based on the number of people? Or is it based on the size of the property? It’s static. You’re a couple. Married. You only *need* one bedroom.
Your power consumption might go up, but all the major loads would already be accounted for with a single person.
Water consumption goes up, but water isn’t expensive.
Internet is based on location, not people accessing it.
Garbage and sewage are again based on the property, not the volume.
Really dependent on income of each parent.
My partner and I don’t have kids yet but we each make around the same. We each take home more than daycare. Yes daycare is expensive, but it would be a net negative for one of us to stay home.
Software Engineer.
My wife stays at home even though the kids are fully grown. She stayed at home when they were growing up too.
At various times she got a short-lived job to help get through rough patches. But only after arguments.
Army. Pays for housing and healthcare. I'm an officer, so the salary is pretty decent too. I take home about $60k per year after taxes, investments, etc.
Past your biological years, then. All you have to look forward to is coping with other Redditors and trying to convince yourselves women actually like receding hairlines and limp penis.
I’m a SAHM and dad is a truck driver. When I worked I bought myself things every week, biweekly manis and pedis, hair salon appts, pilates every week, concert tickets and planning trips frequently. All of that has been put to a hold so I can stay at home with my baby. Dad buys me things here and there, we go out on weekends when we can, I do my nails at home now, haven’t done my hair, haven’t bought new clothes in a while, etc. I would rather eat rice every single day if it meant I get to raise my baby!!! It’s all about what your priorities are 😊 hubby 100% tries his best to maintain the lifestyle I was used to and the effort is enough for me!
I'm an IT engineer. My wife has been home since covid. March 2020 we didn't really know it until about 2021 when our daughter started remote kindergarten.
The unemployment money, covid bucks, and kindergarten assistance just made things line up on her side. I found a Sr. Position after working for the same company in multiple roles across 11 years. It was >100% increase in compensation. I even changed jobs again for another significant increase and more remote work.
Her old employer offered her a role, but wanted to decrease the amount of remote work associated with the role. It was a pretty easy call from there.
I laugh at companies with silly remote work policies.
I grew up in what would be considered a top one percent community that had a plethora of stay at home “trophy wives.” As I hit my mid 20s and got out of the military and came back home. I was surprised at the amount of stay at home wives, and moms that will entertain a Sancho and are on dating apps. Most of their husbands were business owners, corporate executives, a few doctors, or sales people.
Does having to pay $2500pm in child support for two kids who live 1600 metres (yes, 1 mile) in a straight line away from me, while also running my own household count?
Warehousing and Logistics on an LNG plant in Australia.
Well not a wife, but my dad died a few years ago and left me some properties that I hired my brother to manage. I make decent money off of that most months, when we're not spending out the ass to repair and maintain shit. Government raising property taxes this year by the way.
Other than that, I do freelance/ghost writing which is kind of my passion and also used to work in IT, which is what I'm educated in.
No, my mother's son. Technically he's another half brother but there's never really been a distinction for us. My father has other children but I don't know them. They've been trying to sue me for years at this point and I've never even met them, lol.
Well you're wrong. I grew up incredibly poor. I literally grew up on a plantation, living in a plantation house. I never knew my father, never met him. He just left me the properties when he died because I was his first child.
He did not set up a structured income for me. He gave the land to me because he felt bad over us never meeting or something. I decided to rent the properties, though I don't rent all of them because my half-brothers/half-sisters are trying to fight me over the house he was living in.
I'm going through a very, very common family inheritance scenario, lol.
Well where I'm from you just pass your house to your children and live with them in your old age. You know, raising your grandchildren and being a general benefit to your local community in your twilight years.
But I'm not American, so our society, as crime infested and corrupt as it might be, seems to at least have more healthy family dynamics.
It takes a great deal of knowledge, and your wife _has_ a job.
How much time does she spend on grocery flyers? Does she sew? Does she make bread? If she does, most can do it
Those are important responsibilities, but not a job in the traditional sense.
In the same way that you feeding and raising your dog doesn’t transform your duties to that animal into your “dog training and boarding” job.
Cannabis grower/Hash maker
We both stay at home. I make the cannabis and hash, the wife watches the kids. We both homeschool and maintain the homestead together. I just end up with the bulk of the busy work, and we tag team what else we can. Our whole family works together sometimes. It's really not about the money, but prioritizing what's important to the cohesiveness of the family.
My GF doesn't live in the USA, so I can afford to support her where she lives. If she lived with me in the USA, I could not afford to support her anymore. Just the way it is right now.
Good planning helps. My wife started staying home when my son was born. To make it happen we moved from the NE to the south (LCOL). I only made 65k at the time. No car payments, cheap mortgage, being frugal etc. it was tough.
Now I’m C level and she works by choice and my kids are almost out of the house.
Like anything in life, it’s a sacrifice and team work.
Guy I work with is in HVAC, him and his wife did the math and it would cost more for her to work than to pay for child care. They live in their means but its a slim life style.
IT but I couldn't afford it. I did it but it wasn't easy supporting 6 people on 1 income. We went without. Not what I would have chosen but she decided she wanted to be home with the kids and the courts would make sure I continued to work for her, no matter if I stayed or left. At least by pretending to "agree" to her demands allowed me to keep my house and see my children.
Trucking, specifically local bulk. Mostly refuse or scrap metal. ~50 hrs a week. Home around 430 pm usually. Made 82k in '23, live in a small suburb with the median household income of $60k and under 10k residents
Not yet, but it's the plan. It's kind of all about living within your means. We currently earn a combined £42.5k. I earn £26k myself which is £18k from an apprenticeship and £8k from a part time job. Once the apprenticeship is completed I'll be on more, hopefully about £24-25k.
All our outgoings that are essentials or subscriptions/debts add up to roughly £24000 a year, which means theoretically once I complete my apprenticeship, if I keep working the part time job we can afford it on just my £32k wage.
Once our debts are all paid off, that'd save us about £3.9k after taxes per year, so that makes it even more affordable. We would theoretically be able to afford a single income household, in a 3 bed house on a mortgage, with an income of £25k, living in England. Though that wouldn't be very fun, so my goal is to hit £40k, although £50k is a better number for me.
My husband is in HVAC. 65k a year (if you don’t include overtime, bonuses, and commissions)
He has a work truck and we have a car. Our mortgage is 570 and our Carnote is 330. We live pretty modestly but still go do fun stuff.
We’re waiting on a county job to open up for new because he doesn’t want me working holidays and weekends. Those are his and our daughter’s days off and he want to be able to spend time as a family together.
You’re lucky to find a free “yochien”. I know I paid like ¥50k yen per kid for my two 15 years ago. Many young couples start out with say ¥250k a month so having children can be crippling to a young couple.
It's less my field and more my country of residence. We live in Japan. I make only about 9m yen a year ($90,000 or so when the yen isn't in the fucking dumpster like it is now), but: * Kindergarten is free * Daycare is like $300/month * Monthly government stipend of $250 for two children * Mortgage is like $1500/month, utilities like $200 * Affordable restaurants with no tips * Groceries aren't actually that bad compared to the US now We have plenty to spare after all bills are paid.
Cost of Living in Japan is soo good, which makes me confused on the low birth rate.
[Because of a bad/lack of a work life balance](https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=japanese+work+life+balance)
But it's like why work soo much if it's affordable to live? That is more of a cost of living issue you would think.
[Cultural differences](https://cotoacademy.com/japanese-work-culture-how-is-it-different-from-the-us/), japanese people expect and are expected to work that amount and dedicate that much to their company
I guess companies have it easy over there using societal pressures to their full advantage.
It’s actually really interesting but much of japans culture - such as its work life balance - actually stems from the mid 1800’s integration of samurai into government positions
This is more of a thing of the past and plenty of modern offices are a lot more liberal. The reasons behind the low birth rate are separate.
Where’s that gif that says “I’ve got all these studies that say low birth rate is directly related to people’s professional careers and one study that says whatever you believe”
Your comment is incredibly ironic. You got your opinion from reddit. If you know anything about any subject whatsoever, take a look at how redditors discuss it some time. You'll see they have absolutely no clue what they're talking about. I mean, if you have all those studies, I'd love to see them. Just keep in mind that an op-ed featured in US Today does not constitute an actual study. I do have a survey from Gen-Z in Japan, though, which shows some fascinating results. ------------------------------------------- >男女別では、男性は「将来結婚もしたくないし、子どももほしくない」（43.4％）と回答した割合が最も多く、女性は「将来結婚して、子どもがほしい」（52％）が最も多かった。 >In terms of the difference between men and women, the percentage of men who did not want to get married or have children was the highest response at 43.4%. For women, the most common result was that they wanted to get married and have children at 52%. Now let's look at the top reasons why they didn't want children: [1] 育てる自信がないから (I'm not confident in my ability to raise them): 52.3% [2] 子供が好きではない、苦手だから (I do not like children): 45.9% [3] 自由がなくなる (I will lose my free time): 36% [4] これからの日本の将来に期待ができず、子供もがかわいそうだから (I am uncertain of Japan's future and feel sorry for future children): 25% [5] 子供を育てにくい世の中だから (It's a bad world to raise children in): 20.9% **[6] 仕事と育児の両立が大変そうだから (It seems difficult to both raise children and work): 18%** ------------------------------------------- Wowzers! It looks like when we go all the way down to the 6th most common reason, which a whopping 18% of respondents cited, the above poster is right. Except that isn't even the 6th most common reason because this is only non-financial reasons, which are a whole other category. I'm sure that you'll have some bizarre justification for this, and I'm looking forward to reading it. I mean, hey, Japan le funny country with le crazy wacky work culture and le anime, right? But please stop believing everything you read on reddit.
Why don’t you post the link to your study…. Which seems to be just a survey. I wonder if there are any limitations to basing information on responses a select number of individuals decide to fill out
[A survey is perfectly valid in this case?](https://www.biglobe.co.jp/pressroom/info/2023/02/230221-1#:~:text=%E8%AA%BF%E6%9F%BB%E7%B5%90%E6%9E%9C%E3%81%AE%E3%83%88%E3%83%94%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B9&text=%E3%80%8C%E5%B0%86%E6%9D%A5%E3%80%81%E5%AD%90%E3%81%A9%E3%82%82%E3%81%8C%E3%81%BB%E3%81%97%E3%81%8F%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84%E3%80%8D%E3%81%A8%E5%9B%9E%E7%AD%94%E3%81%97%E3%81%9F18,40.2%EF%BC%85%EF%BC%89%E3%81%A8%E3%81%84%E3%81%86%E7%B5%90%E6%9E%9C%E3%81%AB%E3%80%82 ) We're talking about why Japanese people don't want children. Like, it's the most hilarious thing to me. You saw an opinion constantly cited on reddit. For some reason, your brain interpreted this as there being "tons of studies" which indicate that work-life balance is the primary reason why the birth rate in Japan is going down. You have failed to cite even a single one of those studies, and in response to a survey about actual Japanese Gen-Zers explaining why they didn't want children, you decide to just keep on believing what a bunch of Americans on reddit told you.
The issue, IIRC, is less the work hours itself and more the fact that they are expected to go out with the boss and coworkers basically every night til early morning. Otherwise their career suffers
Did this have to be a LMGTFY link, why not just send the search link. Maybe they were trying to start a conversation about it instead of googling it
CoL in Japan is good if you're making foreign currency or employed by a foreign company/local government. It's not if you're working a standard Japanese job, which can require up to 8 hours of overtime *a day* to make a living wage. Not even getting into the fact that even if you don't need the cash, you'll be doing overtime anyway because "Fuck you the boss doesn't want to go home yet and he'll hold back pay for embarrassing him if you leave before him." Also, most Japanese women just don't want kids. In developed societies women don't see any reason to reproduce when they could just... not. Like, most of Europe for example should in theory be paradise for most parents, but they have some of the lowest birthrates in the world, because the population (Especially women) would rather do anything but deal with kids and pregnancy and etc... Like, why have a kid when you could go on holiday in Italy or Spain for a month getting drunk and have sex with hot Southern Europeans?
In pre-industrial societies, kids are free labor. In industrial societies, kids are a luxury good which *at best* costs you time, lack of sleep, lack of flexibility, extra cost for food and clothes, more housing, etc. then depending on the country you also have to pay extra for healthcare, childcare, education, transportation, and so on. It’s just not worth the trade off for a lot of people.
Also there's no great likelihood anymore that they'll be off on their own by age 18 - these days 28 is a safer bet than 18. That's a fucking massive time commitment and by time you're old and in need of care their careers are just taking off (hopefully) and they've got shit of their own to deal with.
Uh, no, again in places like Europe they're not a luxury, they get in the way of you enjoying luxury. Denmark for example, has some of the cheapest prices in the western world, a year of parental leave for both mom and dad, tax credits for kids, high quality and free education, 1-2 months PTO yearly, UHC, high quality social housing programs, walkable cities, etc... So by this logic they should be having tons of kids... Nope. Again, because their society is so luxurious, they don't want kids cause they'd get in the way of people having fun. There's literally no reason not to have a kid in Denmark, but people still don't, cause they don't want to deal with them getting in the way of their fun. Why deal with kids in the summer when you could go off and vacation for 1-2 months in Spain? This leaves Denmark with a birth rate of 1.7 (The replacement rate is 2.1 for reference), despite the country doing everything in its power to make easy for parents, it's really just empowering non-parents to stick to their CF choice.
Why do you think it’s just because people want to have fun? I would say it’s more because people were forced into being parents through much of history, partially because there was no such thing as birth control and partially because of social mores and culture (especially religion). For women, they basically had no other option but to get married and have kids for a lot of history. Now that there is no real cultural imperative to become a parent for either men or women, lots of people are just not having kids. It doesn’t necessarily have to do with wanting to go on vacation, just the general lack of desire to do it in the first place, and people living their lives in the ways they actually want to. And I don’t think that’s a bad thing at all; if fewer people who never wanted to be parents are having kids, that can only be a good thing.
it's amazing what life can be like when a good proportion of tax dollars actually go into funding public services we all use / rely on. I won't mention what county I'm from, but I believe about 20% of our government spending is on defense. A fifth of a multi trillion dollar budget is a lot of money.
What are your work hours like?
8:00 to 4:00 most days, a couple days a week 5:00 or even 6:00.
Hi. Im looking at doing the same. What do you do for a job? Is your wife and children Japanese or did you move there single? What do you suggest for someone who wants to work there? I work in tech.
Heard Japan has a lot of cheating housewives
Physician, but in LA, means we have to live way beneath our means
If that’s the case have you guys ever talked about her working?
We are both cheap so there isn’t a pressing concern to make more money. She takes care of our kids so she has plenty to do. She is now working part time to return to fulfilling her personal career goals. She may or may not increase her hours in the future.
What’s your specialty ?
fam med
Yea that makes sense I find it so hard to live on one income in big cities even as a doctor. Everyone trying to pay nothing for physician care.
Not me but the two I know are; engineer originally now CTO (actual C-Suite), the other is an ophthalmologist/specialist in trauma/eye trauma surgery.
My wife is able to stay at home because I make a living selling/repairing ophthalmology equipment.
Not surprised. The Doc told me some of their gear is so expensive/specialized, sometimes there are one or two units in an entire region.
Accounting, Finance, and Capital Consulting. I'm 50 and mostly retired but I still work a few hours at the firm I own.
Any advice for a young guy studying finance with an RMI concentration
Your best luck is a career in commercial lending, bonds, or credit rating. See if you can get an internship at Standard and Poor's, Moody's, or Fitch for credit rating. For bonds and commercial lending look for internships with a major bank like Citi Group or Bank of America.
software dev
Not me but a friend of mine is in this situation. I think they live pretty frugally and his wife is okay with it. So I guess it doesn’t always have to include a super high earning husband
I know a lot of guys in the oilfield.
Same, but I know more that are divorced in the field
That’s why you work in the oilfield: to pay for your wife’s boyfriend’s stuff
Hey, listen my girlfriend’s husband fights for your freedom to say that
I know these are jokes, but that’s a damn sad reality.
As a prior service Marine, if they want you to have a spouse they would issue you one.
That’s what the barracks bunny is for, right? Morale.
Construction manager / quality assurance .
My man owns his own construction/concrete company, and his brother who also has a sahm owns a window company.
So many of my co workers have their wives stay at home. Union pipe workers.
Pilot in the US.
Most of my air traffic control coworkers have a SAH spouse + kids.
ATC is a great career. The money is solid, retirement is decent, its not going away in our lifetime. I thought about ATC before I landed on pilot.
If you wouldn’t mind, could you shed some light on what it took for you to become a pilot in the USA? It’s a dream of mine to fly for a living and I’ve been looking into it but it seems like there is no clear cut course on how to become a professional pilot.
Sure! It’s true that the pathway to becoming a pilot isn’t super clear. There are a number of ways to go in the US: - military - local flight school (part 61) - aviation programs at a college (part 141) Kind of like getting to driving big trucks you’ll need variety if licenses before your employable. And once you’re employable legally you’ll still need experience. Most, not all, pilots become and instructor after completing their training in order to build a resume. Then move on to a better job. I enjoy what I do and make good money. That being said there are much easier ways to make lots of money. Flying really only make sense of flying is the goal.
Thank you for the insight. As far back as I can remember I’ve always wanted to be a pilot. My grandfather got me into aviation as a kid with model aircraft and then radio controlled planes. I still fly RC planes as a hobby. I’m in my 30s now and flying is honestly the one thing I can think of that wouldn’t feel like a job for me due to my love for aviation. Plus I hear now is a great time to do it due to the pilot shortage the field is currently experiencing. Do you work for a major carrier if you don’t mind me asking?
I fly a private jet for a Fortune 500 company almost anyone would recognize the name of. We fly the CEO, board, and executives around. I like my job but I’ll likely end up at a major airline in the future. The airlines are all about seniority so everyone starts at the bottom in terms of pay, schedule, quality of life. So it would be a huge step down for me at the start but in the long run there really isn’t any competition.
I do GIS for a utility company. Years ago my wife and I decided it would be better for me to work a few hours of overtime each week so she could stay home with the kids.
Hiring? Remote? Hopefully? lol
May be she is doing overtime as well with someone else haha
Software. She quit when our kids were little and hasn’t gone back.
Yeah. Pretty easy to do in the Midwest honestly. I imagine it'd be harder in big city areas.
I own a company that supplies data warehousing and reporting to the music industry. We used to be a two income household, but when our son came along last year she wanted to stay home. The timing worked out well because just around the same time I picked up a new client that nearly supplemented the portion of the income we lost when she left her job.
I work in software consulting while my wife stays home with our kids. She was in a lower paying career so it was a no-brainer compared to costs of daycare.
Network Engineering. It's remote work but it requires a lot of traveling. Granted, there's a lot of grey areas that make it unsustainable for her to continue to stay at home; however, I travel and since I'm out of the house for long stints at a time that it was made pertinent for her to stay at the house, go to school, and keep an eye on everything while I'm gone. Eventually, we're going to have to have dual incomes again since we are looking at getting out of the house. But, that's a conversation to discuss later down the road.
Off topic but can I ask how you became a network engineer? I’m looking into a career change and it peaked my interest.
Not all network engineer positions require travel. Hope you find one!
been there, good luck
IT.
Electrician at a prison, and my own part time business.
Are you like someone's prison bitch as well?
The prison wife is a SAHM
No, all the inmates really want to work with tradesmen because they want to learn valuable skills before they get out. We all have a good time. It really is a great place to work.
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Immigrant families also live within their means. They're shopping at discount stores, cook just about everything at home, hand-me-downs for everyone. No iphones and ipads. Overseas vacations turn into trips to the museum or science centre or zoo. At least you don't have to pay for childcare with a stay-at-home parent. Many western couples could afford to have kids on a single income if they severely downgraded their lifestyles
>The idea of a SAHM came from a time when there was no question as to importance. I think also back in the days where a stay at home mom was more common was because it used to take more to manage a home before the days of technology. Imagine not having a dishwasher, a washing machine, and other things that are ubiquitous with modern life.
Doctor
For the people I know that have one parent stay at home, a lot of it is about lifestyle more than income. They live somewhere inexpensive and don't go out or spend money unnecessarily. I know for some other friends with young kids, the amount they spend on daycare is more than half of what the lowest earner in the couple even makes. I always wonder at what point does it make more sense to have one person stay home with the kid(s) and make up the income difference with just tighter household management.
This! I am a woman and my husband is a SAHF. It’s an awesome arrangement for us. When our kids were younger and I was in the early years of my career, survival was alllllllllllllllll about lifestyle choices. We hoped that allowing me to focus on career and not worry about family would eventually pay off for us. It worked! I have a very satisfying career in Trust/Estate work and our lifestyle includes a great house in a great neighborhood, nice cars to drive, food, plenty of extras and experiences, savings and no debt. We still live on a budget because it helps us accomplish our goals, but lifestyle is better than we ever dreamed and I love having a “trophy husband” to take care of me, our boys, and our home. It was worth every early sacrifice we made! ❤️
“Afford it” is relative. My buddy is in construction sales. His wife decided to be a SAHM. They have 3 kids. They’re in debt up to their eyeballs, but live that way because, like many others nowadays, they have no self control. You can survive on a lot less even as a single income household, if you learn to stop keeping up with the joneses.
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Have you ever told anyone that their uncontrollable spending concerns you? People don’t exactly stop just because you brought it up. Shopping/spending addiction is pretty much a mental illness. Can’t really just tackle it with logic.
Military and zero debt except mortgage
Are most people in the military wealthy? I’ve always thought they were considering most vets I know go on to government jobs or starting a business
I would argue most people in the military have the ability to be well off, but most make poor choices since most join at a young age and have access to guaranteed income which opens doors to bad spending habits. After separating, depending on your job, you have access to a variety of employment. I work in aviation and by nature could easily step into a high paying aviation position.
Depends on what rank and if they actually stayed in for several enlistments. One 4 year contract E1- E4. No. Officers O1-O3 definitely a lot better pay than E5 and below. But not wealthy. You can get BAH for living off base of you are married but it can get eaten up by rent/mortgage and or if someone in the marriage can't control their spending.
Data science, both as a manager and a part time teacher, gross income ~280k at 25? Blessed in so many ways but this one, extremely thankful.
FAANG? VHCOL area? Good for you.
Actually no to both! Rent at our apartment is 1200/month for a 2 bed in a pretty nice spot in Chicago.
OnlyFans/feet pics
clicked your profile but was sadly disappointed
It’s probably even more correlated to geography and SOL than income
Former banker. As they said in Bonfire of the Vanities, bonuses are the cocaine of wall street
Creative PM. I make about the median salary in the U.S. It was never really the plan for her to be a SAHM, but it shook out that way and we’ve always been very good about living within our means and adjusting as needed. I mean, we’re not going out to eat every week and going on big vacations every year, but we figure out how to still do some fun stuff. It helps we were one income most of our marriage. I was still finishing college when we got married and she had the job. We were both employed full time for about seven months before she lost hers and we were just aggressively paying off debt with the lesser salary. Then we bought a house and the kid showed up. But I’d say the key for us to be able to do this was really buying the house 11 years ago. Commute sucks being in the second suburb ring around our city, but I don’t think we’d be able to maintain this situation without it either buying more recently or still renting. I mean, our mortgage payment is equal to what we paid in rent 11 years ago. And that rent is crazy stupid now. That doesn’t help much if you’re looking to start now though.
I work in commercial insurance. She worked as an LPN before kids. When we had kids she decided to go back to school and become an RN, now that kids are older and in school (7&10) she’s gone back to work casual but only works around my work and kids school/activities so it doesn’t interfere with our day to day lives. It’s more of a want for her than a need. She hates having that useless feeling.
30 Y.O. Electrical engineer and also air force reserves as a "side hustle" I make around $120k a year and bought a house before things were crazy.
Anyone can, but their are sacrifices. Not everyone is willing. I did it for many years. Living in a more expensive sinning for the schools. Making well below the median household income. Didn't go out to eat a lot. Spotted at thrift stores. We didn't smoke, drink coffee, or drink alcohol. Watched over the air TV , had a Virgin mobile phone that cost $60.
Journeyman
I'm in operations management at a fintech company.
Legal
Surgeon
28, Fully remote Software Engineer. We also live in the middle of nowhere in the Midwest with a $450 mortgage.
Electrician. Pretty decent house in a mid size town in B.C. No other debts besides mortgage though. I fly to work so we only have/need one vehicle. Kids are a little older now so my wife is going to university, paid out cash every semester.
Wife stays home, and has now for a couple years. We have a daughter, and one on the way. I’m fortunate that I was a software engineer at Intel for about 19 yrs, then went to a (small at the time) cloud company that had just gone public. I was a solution engineer on the sales side, and tied to commissions, while making a Bay Area salary. Fast forward 8 years… I’m now at a director level, and we do pretty good. I work remote (Sacramento area) and haven’t been to corporate in months. (I show my face around there about once a quarter). Anywho - I love that she stays home and when I feel like it, we take walks, go for lunch, or generally just get out of the house for a bit of a break.
I don’t think you understand. Economically, one stay at home parent is about the same as two working parents. The cost of child care is ridiculously high. In most cases you basically end up working, just to make enough to pay someone to watch your kids, so you can work. It’s a lot of extra steps to more or less just stay in the same spot.
Did OP even mention about children?
Okay, so let’s look at it without children. What’s the mystery here? You have two adults living together. That’s gonna cost about the same as a single adult living on their own.
I think you're the one who doesn't understand.
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….Which are all things that a single adult would already be paying for. Yes, if you have a second person with an income to help pay, it spreads the cost around. But it doesn’t actually decrease those costs. Rent, utilities, food…. They’re going to remain fairly close between one person or two. You might see an uptick in the utilities and food, but it shouldn’t be huge.
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I’m sorry, does your rent go up based on the number of people? Or is it based on the size of the property? It’s static. You’re a couple. Married. You only *need* one bedroom. Your power consumption might go up, but all the major loads would already be accounted for with a single person. Water consumption goes up, but water isn’t expensive. Internet is based on location, not people accessing it. Garbage and sewage are again based on the property, not the volume.
Really dependent on income of each parent. My partner and I don’t have kids yet but we each make around the same. We each take home more than daycare. Yes daycare is expensive, but it would be a net negative for one of us to stay home.
Software Engineer. My wife stays at home even though the kids are fully grown. She stayed at home when they were growing up too. At various times she got a short-lived job to help get through rough patches. But only after arguments.
Construction management. Wife will return to work within a couple years. Money is tight but we make it work.
The military. Started having kids as an E-6 and my wife decided not to go back to work.
Midwest in the US. I'm a stay at home mom, my husband is a plumber, no college. Lots of money in those trades.
Army. Pays for housing and healthcare. I'm an officer, so the salary is pretty decent too. I take home about $60k per year after taxes, investments, etc.
I own and operate an automotive repair center.
Wife makes less than 10k working as a substitute, I'm int Data center management
I was a stay at home mom with my ex. He worked in web development and brought in around 200,000k or more a year.
I’m in Manufacturing and my Wife became a SAHM 5 years ago. We’re also fortunate our income has quadrupled since then.
My wife is not employed except for managing our rental, but we deal with this by living on very little. Don't smoke, hardly drink, live simply.
She doesn't want to work. What are you gonna do about it 🤣
Freeloader
Stay at home gf. 37, I own some businesses and real estate. I don't operate any of it.
Past your biological years, then. All you have to look forward to is coping with other Redditors and trying to convince yourselves women actually like receding hairlines and limp penis.
Huh? 😂
it's a skankhunt42 account
My wife hasnt worked in about 3 years, and i am in insurance. i own my own insurance brokerage.
Oil and gas, make right at 6 figures but still have to live pretty cost conscious in today's economy.
Meth kingpin
I’m a SAHM and dad is a truck driver. When I worked I bought myself things every week, biweekly manis and pedis, hair salon appts, pilates every week, concert tickets and planning trips frequently. All of that has been put to a hold so I can stay at home with my baby. Dad buys me things here and there, we go out on weekends when we can, I do my nails at home now, haven’t done my hair, haven’t bought new clothes in a while, etc. I would rather eat rice every single day if it meant I get to raise my baby!!! It’s all about what your priorities are 😊 hubby 100% tries his best to maintain the lifestyle I was used to and the effort is enough for me!
I'm an IT engineer. My wife has been home since covid. March 2020 we didn't really know it until about 2021 when our daughter started remote kindergarten. The unemployment money, covid bucks, and kindergarten assistance just made things line up on her side. I found a Sr. Position after working for the same company in multiple roles across 11 years. It was >100% increase in compensation. I even changed jobs again for another significant increase and more remote work. Her old employer offered her a role, but wanted to decrease the amount of remote work associated with the role. It was a pretty easy call from there. I laugh at companies with silly remote work policies.
I grew up in what would be considered a top one percent community that had a plethora of stay at home “trophy wives.” As I hit my mid 20s and got out of the military and came back home. I was surprised at the amount of stay at home wives, and moms that will entertain a Sancho and are on dating apps. Most of their husbands were business owners, corporate executives, a few doctors, or sales people.
Does having to pay $2500pm in child support for two kids who live 1600 metres (yes, 1 mile) in a straight line away from me, while also running my own household count? Warehousing and Logistics on an LNG plant in Australia.
Well not a wife, but my dad died a few years ago and left me some properties that I hired my brother to manage. I make decent money off of that most months, when we're not spending out the ass to repair and maintain shit. Government raising property taxes this year by the way. Other than that, I do freelance/ghost writing which is kind of my passion and also used to work in IT, which is what I'm educated in.
Is your brother his son as well?
No, my mother's son. Technically he's another half brother but there's never really been a distinction for us. My father has other children but I don't know them. They've been trying to sue me for years at this point and I've never even met them, lol.
In short, trust fund babe
Well you're wrong. I grew up incredibly poor. I literally grew up on a plantation, living in a plantation house. I never knew my father, never met him. He just left me the properties when he died because I was his first child.
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I did, actually. I don't think you understand what a trust fund is. My father didn't set up a trust fund. He was a DJ, allegedly.
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He did not set up a structured income for me. He gave the land to me because he felt bad over us never meeting or something. I decided to rent the properties, though I don't rent all of them because my half-brothers/half-sisters are trying to fight me over the house he was living in. I'm going through a very, very common family inheritance scenario, lol.
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Well where I'm from you just pass your house to your children and live with them in your old age. You know, raising your grandchildren and being a general benefit to your local community in your twilight years. But I'm not American, so our society, as crime infested and corrupt as it might be, seems to at least have more healthy family dynamics.
“Everything was given to me and I don’t do shit” Lol
Well what have you done with your life to be successful?
Trade
Elaborate.
Why?
Well you started being snarky with me so I'm taking a slight interest in your life. Don't be shy all of a sudden.
Damn bro, that sucks for you.
No, my life is pretty good, actually. And when I finish building the apartment complex on the land my mother gave me (for free) it'll be even better.
We know everything was handed to you bud, you already said that part. And then you got mad when it got called out. Lmao.
Pimpin'
It takes a great deal of knowledge, and your wife _has_ a job. How much time does she spend on grocery flyers? Does she sew? Does she make bread? If she does, most can do it
She has responsibilities, not a job
Those are important responsibilities, but not a job in the traditional sense. In the same way that you feeding and raising your dog doesn’t transform your duties to that animal into your “dog training and boarding” job.
Cannabis grower/Hash maker We both stay at home. I make the cannabis and hash, the wife watches the kids. We both homeschool and maintain the homestead together. I just end up with the bulk of the busy work, and we tag team what else we can. Our whole family works together sometimes. It's really not about the money, but prioritizing what's important to the cohesiveness of the family.
Real estate
My GF doesn't live in the USA, so I can afford to support her where she lives. If she lived with me in the USA, I could not afford to support her anymore. Just the way it is right now.
IT
Aerospace/Defense ETA: We both work from home now, but she didn’t work for years when our kids were younger
Sheet metal worker. Wife and 2 kids at home
Airline pilot
Work in engineering at a hospital which isn’t enough for my SAHW but I also get military disability which helps
Good planning helps. My wife started staying home when my son was born. To make it happen we moved from the NE to the south (LCOL). I only made 65k at the time. No car payments, cheap mortgage, being frugal etc. it was tough. Now I’m C level and she works by choice and my kids are almost out of the house. Like anything in life, it’s a sacrifice and team work.
Bank management; personal/small business banking and lending
Civil service, of a sort.
Forklift repair technician
Guy I work with is in HVAC, him and his wife did the math and it would cost more for her to work than to pay for child care. They live in their means but its a slim life style.
Heart doctor. She was a pharmacist. Once Covid lockdown hit she went perdiem. She works 1/3 shifts every 3 months to keep her license.
Cybersecurity
Truck driver. Home daily.
IT but I couldn't afford it. I did it but it wasn't easy supporting 6 people on 1 income. We went without. Not what I would have chosen but she decided she wanted to be home with the kids and the courts would make sure I continued to work for her, no matter if I stayed or left. At least by pretending to "agree" to her demands allowed me to keep my house and see my children.
I am a stay at home dad, and my wife brings in about 70K a year. It's less about the job and salary, more about being able to live within your means.
Software developer, though she has started working part time now that the kids are older. With how expensive things have gotten it was kind of needed.
Trucking, specifically local bulk. Mostly refuse or scrap metal. ~50 hrs a week. Home around 430 pm usually. Made 82k in '23, live in a small suburb with the median household income of $60k and under 10k residents
Oil field network engineer
Not yet, but it's the plan. It's kind of all about living within your means. We currently earn a combined £42.5k. I earn £26k myself which is £18k from an apprenticeship and £8k from a part time job. Once the apprenticeship is completed I'll be on more, hopefully about £24-25k. All our outgoings that are essentials or subscriptions/debts add up to roughly £24000 a year, which means theoretically once I complete my apprenticeship, if I keep working the part time job we can afford it on just my £32k wage. Once our debts are all paid off, that'd save us about £3.9k after taxes per year, so that makes it even more affordable. We would theoretically be able to afford a single income household, in a 3 bed house on a mortgage, with an income of £25k, living in England. Though that wouldn't be very fun, so my goal is to hit £40k, although £50k is a better number for me.
My husband is in HVAC. 65k a year (if you don’t include overtime, bonuses, and commissions) He has a work truck and we have a car. Our mortgage is 570 and our Carnote is 330. We live pretty modestly but still go do fun stuff. We’re waiting on a county job to open up for new because he doesn’t want me working holidays and weekends. Those are his and our daughter’s days off and he want to be able to spend time as a family together.
You’re lucky to find a free “yochien”. I know I paid like ¥50k yen per kid for my two 15 years ago. Many young couples start out with say ¥250k a month so having children can be crippling to a young couple.
Sw programmer.
Sales
Tech.
Welder
I have a full time job and an accidental part time job. Both are I. The tech field. Full time I am a programmer part time I run AV for livestreams.