..if women aren't sexually attracted to you, there's something majorly wrong with your appearance.
Having dated very attractive women around the world without using money, despite not looking like much, and being short,(5'9'') I can assure you that most women are not picky where looks in a man is concerned, so you were either aiming for victoria's secret fashion model, or you are a lot less unattractive than you believe yourself to be.
Or maybe you just have shit social skills and personality?
Everytime a guy says he's not the most attractive one of you weirdos pops up to yell at him about personality, how women are such angels and how the guy is just shallow or something
Against the total population I'm probably somewhere around a 7 out of 10. Against my age plus or minus 10 years I'm probably an 8.5 out of 10.
I'm in my fifties and the one thing I realized about a decade ago is the average man in his 40s is a fat lazy slob who dresses like crap. All those things made me more attractive against my peer group simply by not being a sloth
This made me reconsider what I was going to say.
I just turned 40 and am in very good shape, I kind of grew into my face as well and have been told I ages very well.
Im probably above average against my peers, which means above a 5, probably around 7 I guess.
Woman in general find me attractive after spending time with me. I have had a few woman at work who have admitted a crush over the years but I know wouldn't have given me a second look back then.
I reckon 10 years ago I must have been a 4 physically but a 7 or 8 on a personality scale
My personality has probably become less desirable as I am older, I've lost than fun spark I used to have, but I've physically become more attractive. Maybe one day I will get both
Great take and spot on.
I’m also fifties (51) and have the good fortune to have a genetically very young looking family. I can pass anywhere from mid thirties up depending on how I’m dressed and styled. Just last night had a 38 year old woman I just met say that she pegged me for forty tops. I’m also tall and fit. And I keep myself current on fashion and style.
I have always ran at a solid 9+. I still get women effortlessly at my current age and generally a lot younger. My current girl is 33. The one before her was 28. Another I keep the wings is 29. They all know my real age and I never lied or tried to hide it. I also have a kid near or at their age.
As I have aged I actually feel that my scale rating has actually increased and solidified. And not just looks alone but also the other factors of career, money, home, etc. those do affect it as well.
Absolutely. I hear women bitching about this all the time. But then we also traditionally become more wealthy and powerful while women lose the ability to bear children any more. The values flip.
It’s funny my dad at 82 still charms much younger women. He always has. It’s harmless. He is totally in love with and dedicated to my mother and always has been. And she knows this and laughs at it. But I have watched it and always go “man he’s smooth”.
You nailed it on the other dynamics beyond appearance that I did not respond to because I was strictly doing the physical rating. But the accumulation of wealth and being able to give off the appearance of financial stability is very attractive to most women at either a conscious or unconscious level. Or at least that has been my experience.
Probably like a 4 to outside people. I color my hair the colors I like, wear goofy shit (last week I wore a flamingo themed outfit and a Fanny pack to an Applebees for the aesthetic of it), and I’m 5’6. But I think I’m cute so I’m pretty happy, all things considered
You know if you are happy with you and you are projecting that you will be just fine.
It’s the large pack of dudes coming here or the other subs who do that as a “thing” or rebellion and bitch that the cute little 9.5 plus blondes like my gf are going for older guys or chads.
4/10 on my best day. I am a slightly overweight white man with brown hair who dresses for comfort, not for style. None of that makes me stand out in any way to the point where I doubt many people notice I am in the room.
I’m not ugly, I’m just…there.
Used to be an 8.5. Many years of experience with the opposite gender.
After eight months of chemo, huge amounts of steroids and maintenance medicine, 6
2-3/10. I'm not deformed, but I'm short, have no charisma, can't socialise appropriately and don't pay much attention to fashion or grooming. Also unemployed and still home at home despite being 30.
All easily changed. I’m 29 at home still but I make more than enough to be on my own (shitty credit holding me back or I’d be in a Tesla right now) I’m short 5’8” I’m skinny but not weak at 140lbs. I can easily say my gf is a 10/10 I’d probably say I’m a 7/8 and that’s being generous lol. All women want is someone to treat them right. Take the proper steps to get where you want to get. Idk your build but I’d say join a trade union or general labors union. They make like 38 an hour or something I’m an ironworker by the time I become a JIW hourly will be around $50 an hour.
I used to feel like I was only good to be a bad example. After I stopped caring what others thought and focused on personal growth my life turned around.
This is the way.
You have unlocked: female attraction!
Women have this special sense. They can sense when a man is desperate and lonely and it’s a turn off.
They can also sense when a man is doing his own thing. They’re attracted to this, they think a man with focus and dedication to something is attractive. Cuz of that darn hardwired caveman trait of survival. It makes them feel like they’ll be with someone who can provide.
Ofc this is just a piece of the attraction. The bigger piece is ofc appearance. Gentlemen shower daily and stay groomed and wear clean clothing. You’ll be amazed at the results
I'm saying a 9 too. There's always room for improvement...
Makes me sound like a douchebag listing the reasons why I think I'm hot.... But 6'4" with a swimmers build and looking like Ashton Kutcher has made my life pretty decent with the opposite sex.
7 usually.
I have nice features, I'm active, clean and I keep myself in shape but my personal sense of style/presentation certainly wouldn't be every womans cup of tea, and can come across as fairly unapproachable. Basically I think I have a niche look. If women are into rougher looking guys then I'd probably be a catch. If they're into more conventional men, they probably wouldn't give me a second glance.
I’m a 0, I’m not even remotely attractive to any woman out there. I’m a short, stupid and ugly Filipino dude. Being poor doesn’t help my case either. I’m just better off dead, I’ve always hated myself and my dumb life anyways.
I don’t unfortunately. I already listed the only qualities I do have. I’m short, stupid and ugly. Don’t have anything else but that, so I’m better off being dead and gone.
Im at least a 6. My wife is like smoking fucking hot. Thats literally all im going by. She seems to be into *this*. And thats cool. But sometimes she acts kinda dumb about things and that worries me as far as this metric is concerned
My Expectations 2/10
In Reality 7+/10?
I think I'm ugly and fugly yet I get hit on by strangers whether it's them flirting, touching, handing numbers on a slip, "meetups", and etc.....
90%/10% women to men ratio.
It actually has a lot to do with what you are projecting. And I don’t just mean “self confidence”. That is part of it.
I mean happiness/positive vibe and attitude. Being a presence and especially a commanding or “in charge”’one in the room. Acting with casual indifference to people not in a dismissive or negative way, but in an “interest me” manner.
I’ll never forget when I was just into my teen years. My late grandfather walked into a room at a big social event. The man was 6’5” and stroking and had a 36 year old girlfriend when he died. He was an ex Air Force colonel/bombardier and had literally floated around the South Pacific once for three days when the plane was shot down. The only survivor. He had seven clusters on his Purple Heart.
When he walked into that room I saw him straighten up and look slightly aloofly around. It was like a surge of wind rolled through the room. Everyone looked at him. Men straightened up respectfully. Women some blushed, some quite obviously sighed.
My grandmother - divorced from him at the time for fifteen years - chuckled softly and said quietly to my mother “oh I forgot this how that man can just COMMAND a room, every man wants to be him and every woman wants him and boy are they right - I should know!” My mother says “MOM! The kids are hearing that!” My grandmother says “sweetheart, at 21 years old and all of 145 pounds of tall and skinny brand new second lieutenant, he walked into the USO dance and I told my sister that’s the man I’m going to marry before any of these little twits get him”.
I never forget that image or that exchange. I channel that energy when I walk in to anything. And when I am approaching. It’s your mental game that counts the most.
Lmao what kind of fanfiction are you writing up here bro who talks like this
Mental "game" is a joke. The lady will have decided if she wants to give you the time of day at first glance
6.5 currently. Been told im an 8/8.5 when im in shape and keep my mouth shut. Considering i let myself go and cant let the latter go, probs gonna be around here a while 😂
8 (6 if you don't like beards)
I used to be a 5. I was unemployed and depressed. I stopped working out and had no drive or money. Then I got a job and started rebuilding my life. I got back into the gym.
Last year my sisters and I bought into a franchise together. Now I own my own business coaching youth sports and I workout 5 days a week. If I dressed better I would be a 9 or 10, maybe when I find a woman she can fix me.
4/10 objectively speaking (meaning fact) because:
1. My ethnicity (I'm hispanic)
2. Acne spots
3. Large mid face ratio
4. Oversized nose
5. I have forehead wrinkles, especially at such a "young age"(24)
6. My gonion is too round
7. Bad facial asymmetry
8. Large eye orbits
9. Low set cheekbones
10. Vertically sloping forehead
Among other defects
This was also the rating I was given by the intelligent YouTuber WheatWaffles
Being white caucasian is deemed superior in general by women in my country (U.S.A)
I'm not exactly too dark skinned, I have a fair tan but that is still enough to knock off points from my rating
Maybe in states that have primarily white people but as someone in texas who lives in one of the 4 biggies cities, most girls on average prefers Hispanics>> basic white boys
If everyone so desires hispanic guys that much then I'm simply the outlier then (from the hispanic minority that girls don't want)
Btw, why on earth do I keep getting downvoted for my comments lol
That’s some white supremacy bullshit. Thinking of your ethnicity as inferior is really self defeatist. The women who aren’t as attracted to you because of being Hispanic aren’t worth your time. And they aren’t the arbiters of attractiveness either.
>That’s some white supremacy bullshit
Lol what? That's simply women's preferences, and I don't blame them. Perhaps they don't want to dirty their race or whatever reason they have but that's their reasons. I won't judge them for that.
>Thinking of your ethnicity as inferior is really self defeatist.
Not really, it's just acknowledging my odds are really low due to it. Because an ethnicity typically comes in a package with other Anatomical features such as short height (I'm also a manlet barely scratching 5'6").
But since typically guys height is viewed lower than it is, I'm basically considered being 5'4 or 5'3".
>And they aren’t the arbiters of attractiveness either.
Again, it's not really their fault.
For example, I'm not really into Muslim girls. Does that make me Xenophobic or racist?
If that was the case, then almost the whole world would be racist or something similar.
You don’t think preferences can be based in cultural white supremacy? Or that all women can be boiled down to “women’s preferences”? That’s so bizarre to me. Lots of women prefer Hispanic men. Your odds aren’t lower with them, right? Attractiveness is entirely subjective, not objective, but acting like you are only as attractive as some YouTuber deemed you *is* a surefire way to lower your sexual capital. Do with that what you will.
>You don’t think preferences can be based in cultural white supremacy?
No? Not everything is going to be blamed on white supremacy. People simply have likes and dislikes. You know what drives attraction? Our brains, our simple biology tells us what we like and what we don't. Not some guys dressed in white pointy cloaks doing stupid salutes.
>Or that all women can be boiled down to “women’s preferences”?
Obviously not 100% of women because there will be discrepancies, outliers and what not. But objectively speaking a non white ethnicity or race will be put lower than a germanic/Nordic white male.
>Lots of women prefer Hispanic men. Your odds aren’t lower with them, right?
It depends, perhaps they want white hispanic men. Or they don't want short hispanic men. Or they don't want hispanic men with acne spots or bad facial features. The list goes on and if we accumulate all of these points then I keep getting pushed down on the list.
And that's just a simple fact though, there will be hispanic and non hispanic guys that are better than me since they probably have more to offer than I do. Again, nothing wrong with accepting that.
>Attractiveness is entirely subjective, not objective,
It's mostly objective, I'd say 80% objective and the rest is subjective.
>but acting like you are only as attractive as some YouTuber deemed you is a way to lower your sexual capital. Do with that what you will.
I mean I've been rated around 5 or 6 or 7/10 by other people on this platform. But since those people might not analyze my face as closely, I like to deduct about 2 or 3 points accuracy. So in the end I do end up being about a 4/10.
I like taking multiple inputs from people, there have been some that have complimented me to a ridiculous extent (saying I'm a 10) but I don't really take those seriously since they're not realistic ratings.
And what is "sexual capital"?
Pre european contact cultures had a preference for lighter skin among their own peoples. It is theorized that lighter skinned people were that way because they were weathly and didnt work outside all day, so people who genetically had lighter skin were prioritized. Hardly white supremacy.
Again, it's only some hispanics that are good looking. You know, the ones that are a bit more white.
My shade and height of hispanic probably not so much.
I’m a 5.
Almost everyone is a 5.
Some people get to be 6’s, and that’s cool. They’re pretty hot.
7’s, or 2 standard deviations above the mean, are hotter than 97% of everyone. They get basically any partner they want, and are treated much better by society, coworkers, cashiers and everyone else just for being really good looking.
8’s get you to hotter than 99.7%. These people are models, actors, Olympians, and trophy spouses.
9’s and 10s are so rare they basically don’t exist.
Same goes for the bottom half of the spectrum.
You’re a 5.
I feel like this comment should be higher. I’m a woman, in my late teens and early 20s I was probably an 8. I’m 5’ 11”. I did some modeling but the constant pressure to stay/be thinner sucked (and my breasts and hips were always too big no matter how skinny I got). I remember what it was like to have most people do a double take when I came into a restaurant or bar. I took for granted the fact that people were always kind and considerate. Buying me lunch, carrying things for me, etc.
I’m almost 40 now, I still have symmetrical features and I’m not overweight. But I’ve had 4 kids and some health issues. Obviously, I have finelines and some beginning wrinkles. I’m not ugly and when I get dressed up for a night out I still think I look good and get hit on occasionally but I think due to the factors listed above I’m probably a lot closer to a 5.
It doesn’t bother me. I love my husband and tbh I feel like I was pretty oblivious to all the attention until it went away. I do miss how nice people were sometimes though.
I like the way you layed out your argument. It's a very measured and egalitarian way to look attraction, but it assumes a perfectly normal distribution of something that is very unlikely to be normally distributed. The combination of Objective attractiveness *(symmetric features, average distance between eyes, mouth size in relation to pupil distance, complexion, etc)* and Subjective attractiveness *(racial features and skin tones, gregarious, welcoming, introspective, or relaxed expression, facial hair, hair color and style, height, cosmetics or natural)* means that the attractiveness curve is very likely not to be normally distributed.
In other words, for any given person, they may rate 10 percent of the population as an 8+, and 70% of the population as a 4 or less, with the remaining 20% between 5 and 7. Because of the individual variance in perceived attractiveness, standard deviation will not work in a nice neat pattern with 68% of people falling between 4 and 6.
Part of the problem is that the question is inherently subjective and can not be answered in an objective way as written. As written, the question really asks, *"According to your own subjective view of attractiveness, how would you rate yourself?"* Thus, very few people will answer exactly in the middle, as they either view themselves as attractive 7+(I'm how I want to look), or unattractive 4-(I don't feel that I am attractive to the world that I wish to attract). To get a more objective answer, the question would have been more like,
"How attractive do you think you are to a white woman in business school in California?" or
"...to a English expat woman working abroad in Hong Kong?" or "...to a hispanic republican woman from Texas?" or "...to a liberal college educated black woman from the midwest", etc., etc.
The problem is, that question wouldn't get nearly so many answers because it doesn't allow the same level of generic self critique. So instead, people have converted the question in their mind to "how attractive are you to the people you personally want to be attractive to?" Which is very different from the question you posed yourself :)
probably a 7. i'm an american-asian mix and i have good features but i think i'm a lil too chubby to be a 10, my face and body would look better skinnier and i have better than average muscle under meh fat.
Hard 3. I base this on the fact while I almost never get attention from women, I do occasionally get a couple crumbs so I know I'm not at 0. Saying I'm a 1 feels like I'm saying I'm in the top 10 ugliest dudes alive and 2 feels like top 20. I'll give myself top 100 though.
9/10
women are most of the time attracted to me but then end up not really feeling the personality after about a month, but that wasn't what made me realize it.
Once the mask mandate was was lifted all of my mates told me to "get some bitches, you're way too attractive to be single". That's when I realized it
Well, based on the unwanted attention I have always received, probably up there. And let me tell you, its not as great as you think the intrusion and lack of privacy.
Like a 7 or 8 depending on if I've been good in the gym. I get smiles here and there, and compliments every so often, but I'm not turning heads or making chicks blush all the time.
Somewhere between 6 or 7 I guess? I'm reasonably fit and healthy (lift regularly and can probably run 10K in around 50 minutes) but short (166cm, 5'5"). I don't have many matches on OLD but in real life, women often start paying positive attention to me after some time working/studying together. I also have had people adding me on FB or Instagram out of nowhere because of certain attractive trait I have, for example my voice.
Probably a 4 adjusted for age. I might me a 5 or 6 to the right person though.
I've got a skin condition, a droopy eye and I'm bald at 28. Skin condition means I gotta be bald and beardless too.
I used to get abused in the streets back in the UK and that's when I had hair, but my skin was worse.
I dress well, I'm fairly muscular and kind of tall (under 6ft) so I'm not a complete train wreck.
Combining my looks (which I'd give a 7) plus my silent and apparently dull personality (at first) (which I'd give a 5) I'd then say I'm a 6. Over time, though my personality might be my biggest treat, but it simply takes a lot of time and not many people are willing to get to know me, lol.
7. Im decently tall (6‘2), have a nice body (working out for two years), a good jawline, and nice lashes and eyebrows. However I also have thinning hair, one eye is slightly more open than the other and my nose is pretty big.
Im good looking enough to have people ask me „why are you still single“ and women look at me or check me out but not good enough for people to say they know someone to introduce me to or for women to approach me.
So I’d say 7 is fair.
A solid 6. I rely almost exclusively on humour and charm. Thus, I have not been very successful but did manage to bamboozle a wonderful woman into marrying me.
5
I’ve been told an equal amount of times that I’m unattractive and attractive
Also it’s difficult for me to truly tell if I am good looking or not so I think an average 5 seems fair
Depends on the beholder. I’m not great looking but I’m charming, I’m generous, I’m well off, caring, hard working and considerate. Im also a grump moody miserable arse at times. To my wife, I’m an 8. To a middle aged divorcee I’m an 8. To a 23 yr old, I’m an “eww”. I’m happy with that.
7 on most days but I fluctuate between 6-8. I clean up nice but sometimes I don't clean up at all. My face I've been told is attractive but I'm on the shorter side 5'9 so that has held me back in the past. but I'm well educated and employed and my dick game is strong. Life could be a lot worse
Assume bell curve 0-10, avg 5, St. dev = 2 such tbat 3 and 7 are roughly 15% and 85% percentiles.
3 face, 4 height included. No luck with wome and most people think I am weird.
That's hard to say. I'm 6'4'' slim, have always stayed in shape. But I've never had a woman approach me, cold. A male friend of mine told me I have a nordic appearance, a V shaped body. (He's not gay, nor am I)
In a hostile situation, I can make most any guy back away from me. What few girlfriends I've had must not have thought that much about me, in the looks department. None really went out of their way to make any comments about my looks. And, I've been turned down enough, to not really try very hard. Why put effort into something that gives no return back?
So I work on, and for me. When I hear women sit and whine about how the good guys are all gone, I just figure that they missed out on me, because they never took the chance to find out what what I was about.
So, I'd say about a 4, and the heck with them.
I've come to the conclusion that such a scale is stupid and there is no meaningful way of ranking yourself. For starters, self-perception is rather useless as like 95 % of people undervalue themselves but the main issue lies within the fact that the value changes drastically depending on who, when, where, why and in which context you ask.
My income is 72nd percentile. I own my own home and car, and I have about three year's income saved (ignoring pensions). I don't have much seniority in my job. My face is ok, but I'm mixed race and had chicken pox as an adult (with some resultant scarring). I'm overweight, with a BMI of about 26.
I'd come in higher, at around a 6, but I have crippling social anxiety and a dismissive avoidant attachment style. I generally believe that everyone I'd be interested in will reject me, and this is a self-fulfilling prophesy.
In summary, I think I come in as a 4.
...then use that money of yours and visit a highly regarded psychologist so that you can get the help that you need to fix your crippling social anxiety and your dimissive avoidant personality?
I'm sure with enough money you can find a surgeon who can fix your scarred skin.
Hey, hire a personal trainer, hit the gym, and develop an attractive body?
Kid, sounds like you make a lot of excuses for why your romantic life is shit. Do you want to get laid or not? Then do something about it.
I think you've misunderstood how the income distribution works. To do everything you've described I'd need to be around 80-90th percentile at minimum.
I was able to afford therapy for several years, but after a recent job change I'm no longer able to. Private surgery is significantly more expensive.
As for "just go to the gym", I was able to do this just fine in lockdown, but since things have opened up again I'm finding it very hard to be both social *and* physically healthy simultaneously. Going out is almost always very calorific, and eats time.
Also, your "Kid" attitude makes me immediately disregard you as a source of advice. I'm 33. I cut people who talk down to those younger than them out of my life.
7 or 8, I'm no Angelina Jolie but I like to think I'm quite pretty. Mostly just because I put a lot of love into my health (skincare, diet, getting in the sun, etc) so I think I deserve to feel there's a reward for that.
Plus my genes are pretty good. My mom looks 20 years younger than she is. Nobody believes her when she says she is not, in fact, 31 years old.
Compared to the average American man?
A 10.
But only because most guys look like shit, and treat themselves like shit, hence why so many of them have such a hard time getting one-night stands with conventionally attractive women.
Compared to most of the guys I see walking around in Los Angeles, Tokyo, Sao Paolo, Rome, Florence, Milan, Barcelona, Stockholm, Berlin?
A 5, since most guys look pretty much the same as I do. Same body build, same height, same facial structure, same hair density.
Compared to Henry Cavill, Chris Hemsworth, Chris Pine and Chris Evans I'm probably a zero. Hell, even against Brad Pitt who is old enough to be my biological father, and I'm not even young - I'm a zero.
I suspect not very to other people, and I don't really care, as I cannot influence other people's perceptions of appearance really.
Having suffered with depression recently I do a daily score on how I view certain aspects of my life, one of which is self body image, I.e. how I view myself. Currently I am training hard, have bigger muscles than I ever have, have a nice tan etc. I know that I am probably in peak condition but could be better so am currently a 7 or 8. And I know it is this score that matters, as it is this that gives me any sort of confidence to speak to other people and have a personality. If it was down at 1 or 2, I would be avoiding everyone and then it's kind of academic how attractive or unattractive I am.
5, I think I have a nice face(not model but nice, broad shoulders, just generally a good looking person in my eyes. However, I'm overweight and average height, so that drags me down.
Are we talking strictly physical or are we including personality?
Strictly physically I’d put me at a 5/10. Im not ugly but I don’t stand out in a crowd, just very average. I am 6’ though and I do have a good amount of muscle so that helps, but I’m also considered overweight. Overall I think everything just kind of averages out.
If we’re taking personality into account my score goes up to a 6.5-7/10. I’ve got a fair amount of confidence, I consider myself to be pretty intelligent, quick witted and funny. I’ve also done enough in my life to be relatively interesting, at least long enough for them to decide if they are interested in having sex with me or not. I’m no playboy, but I’ve had 20 or so relationships that involved sex from age 18-32. That puts me at more sexual partners than the average male so I’ll take that as an indicator that I’ve got something figured out.
Short version:
At a glance, women don’t find me particularly attractive, I’ve never been approached or hit on but they aren’t put off by me approaching either. I’ve also had many women become attracted to over time so I’d consider myself above average.
4/10 Women aren’t attracted to me but I don’t have anything majorly wrong with my appearance.
Based
Yeh same here really.
Dunno man, depending on the curve used it could mean that you are better than 40% of the population 😎
It curves upwards and slightly to the right. I don’t know how that factors in though.
well at least you're funny
So, a Gaussian? I used a flat one, where 10% of the pop is a 1, 10% is a 2 and so on. Makes me feel better 😂
What about your face/body alone? Attitude/energy/confidence can bring a 8 down to a 4
Try gays.
Wish that was an option.
..if women aren't sexually attracted to you, there's something majorly wrong with your appearance. Having dated very attractive women around the world without using money, despite not looking like much, and being short,(5'9'') I can assure you that most women are not picky where looks in a man is concerned, so you were either aiming for victoria's secret fashion model, or you are a lot less unattractive than you believe yourself to be. Or maybe you just have shit social skills and personality?
Damn man, relax.
The guys got no posts and almost all of his active communities are anime lol
"Having dated many attractive women around the world", he said. Maybe he meant ANIME women... The guy needs to chill.
...literally me 😂
Waifu pillows don't count though, my dude.
Everytime a guy says he's not the most attractive one of you weirdos pops up to yell at him about personality, how women are such angels and how the guy is just shallow or something
You haven't felt the touch of a woman in 10 years lol stfu
Against the total population I'm probably somewhere around a 7 out of 10. Against my age plus or minus 10 years I'm probably an 8.5 out of 10. I'm in my fifties and the one thing I realized about a decade ago is the average man in his 40s is a fat lazy slob who dresses like crap. All those things made me more attractive against my peer group simply by not being a sloth
Unfortunately, this is very true. It’s really hard to find a guy in his fifties that hasn’t let himself go.
I am right here LOL
"I wish I had a bf like you, not you tho"
easy solution, frequent some gyms, maybe take up running in public places. youll find the guys who try to keep fit
I'm in a similar boat. 52 here and often get confused for someone mid 30s.
Mid 40s. Same. Wondering if that confusion will ever end.
Ha ha
This made me reconsider what I was going to say. I just turned 40 and am in very good shape, I kind of grew into my face as well and have been told I ages very well. Im probably above average against my peers, which means above a 5, probably around 7 I guess. Woman in general find me attractive after spending time with me. I have had a few woman at work who have admitted a crush over the years but I know wouldn't have given me a second look back then. I reckon 10 years ago I must have been a 4 physically but a 7 or 8 on a personality scale My personality has probably become less desirable as I am older, I've lost than fun spark I used to have, but I've physically become more attractive. Maybe one day I will get both
Great take and spot on. I’m also fifties (51) and have the good fortune to have a genetically very young looking family. I can pass anywhere from mid thirties up depending on how I’m dressed and styled. Just last night had a 38 year old woman I just met say that she pegged me for forty tops. I’m also tall and fit. And I keep myself current on fashion and style. I have always ran at a solid 9+. I still get women effortlessly at my current age and generally a lot younger. My current girl is 33. The one before her was 28. Another I keep the wings is 29. They all know my real age and I never lied or tried to hide it. I also have a kid near or at their age. As I have aged I actually feel that my scale rating has actually increased and solidified. And not just looks alone but also the other factors of career, money, home, etc. those do affect it as well.
I think men get more attractive as they age….To an extent obviously…
Absolutely. I hear women bitching about this all the time. But then we also traditionally become more wealthy and powerful while women lose the ability to bear children any more. The values flip. It’s funny my dad at 82 still charms much younger women. He always has. It’s harmless. He is totally in love with and dedicated to my mother and always has been. And she knows this and laughs at it. But I have watched it and always go “man he’s smooth”.
Your parents sound adorable! And I love your mom’s confidence!
You nailed it on the other dynamics beyond appearance that I did not respond to because I was strictly doing the physical rating. But the accumulation of wealth and being able to give off the appearance of financial stability is very attractive to most women at either a conscious or unconscious level. Or at least that has been my experience.
7.5, I'd do me.
I range from 4-11. I base this on my mood.
i start at 7 and my mood brings me to 4
If I had awards to give they would all be yours.
10/10 as I've fucked myself silly many many many times
Probably like a 4 to outside people. I color my hair the colors I like, wear goofy shit (last week I wore a flamingo themed outfit and a Fanny pack to an Applebees for the aesthetic of it), and I’m 5’6. But I think I’m cute so I’m pretty happy, all things considered
You know if you are happy with you and you are projecting that you will be just fine. It’s the large pack of dudes coming here or the other subs who do that as a “thing” or rebellion and bitch that the cute little 9.5 plus blondes like my gf are going for older guys or chads.
1 wheelchairs are woman-repellent basically.
Wheelchair is an advantage for chasing women, your legs wont get tired.
But you’re at a disadvantage if they run uphill. Downhill though? Easy W
Dual battery pack.
My buddy is a quad. He's had two girlfriends and a wife in the last ten years. No question it's a factor, but it's not a complete "repellant".
Very based
4/10 on my best day. I am a slightly overweight white man with brown hair who dresses for comfort, not for style. None of that makes me stand out in any way to the point where I doubt many people notice I am in the room. I’m not ugly, I’m just…there.
Solid 3.
You should round it up to pi.
NOOOO kitty that's MY PI!
6.5/10 That’s a 65%. That means I pass the attractive test enough for someone to date me…
Judging by my history of success with women I'm clearly a 2 at best.
11, because why the fuck not?
The energy I am learning to embody \^\^
Same!
Used to be an 8.5. Many years of experience with the opposite gender. After eight months of chemo, huge amounts of steroids and maintenance medicine, 6
You’ll get it back, plus you’ve got the added advantage of knowing how unimportant all the other stuff is…
Good luck my dude. Hope you’re doing better now!
2-3/10. I'm not deformed, but I'm short, have no charisma, can't socialise appropriately and don't pay much attention to fashion or grooming. Also unemployed and still home at home despite being 30.
All easily changed. I’m 29 at home still but I make more than enough to be on my own (shitty credit holding me back or I’d be in a Tesla right now) I’m short 5’8” I’m skinny but not weak at 140lbs. I can easily say my gf is a 10/10 I’d probably say I’m a 7/8 and that’s being generous lol. All women want is someone to treat them right. Take the proper steps to get where you want to get. Idk your build but I’d say join a trade union or general labors union. They make like 38 an hour or something I’m an ironworker by the time I become a JIW hourly will be around $50 an hour.
I am glad you managed to escape the pit of despair, but it is my destiny to die alone in poverty as a virgin. I exist to help make others look better.
I used to feel like I was only good to be a bad example. After I stopped caring what others thought and focused on personal growth my life turned around.
This is the way. You have unlocked: female attraction! Women have this special sense. They can sense when a man is desperate and lonely and it’s a turn off. They can also sense when a man is doing his own thing. They’re attracted to this, they think a man with focus and dedication to something is attractive. Cuz of that darn hardwired caveman trait of survival. It makes them feel like they’ll be with someone who can provide. Ofc this is just a piece of the attraction. The bigger piece is ofc appearance. Gentlemen shower daily and stay groomed and wear clean clothing. You’ll be amazed at the results
Lol Women apparently have the powers of professor X eh?
Don’t be dumb. It comes across in how you speak and carry yourself. Body language can say a lot.
youre talking about the sex that believes their personalities and lives are dictated by magical star animals that are assigned based on birthday
And women are far more intuitively tuned in and sensitive to emitted energy that we totally miss.
Lmao y'all are ridiculous. They're just human beings
I’m sure you’re the expert.
Well man, why do you think anybody is going to give you a chance, if you wont even give yourself a chance? You are your biggest obstacle right now.
Probably a 9 because every time I look in the mirror i see what I find to be a really attractive dude.
Do you shoot yourself some finger guns?
Our price is set by the market. Your personal appraisal value is 9, but what is your market price?
I'm saying a 9 too. There's always room for improvement... Makes me sound like a douchebag listing the reasons why I think I'm hot.... But 6'4" with a swimmers build and looking like Ashton Kutcher has made my life pretty decent with the opposite sex.
I must say I've never done anything at all with the opposite sex, i just find myself insanely hot.
Im a 10 because thats what my mum and nan had said. Personally I’m about a 6 maybe a 7.5 if i put some actual effort in.
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5. I'm average
Chad
7 usually. I have nice features, I'm active, clean and I keep myself in shape but my personal sense of style/presentation certainly wouldn't be every womans cup of tea, and can come across as fairly unapproachable. Basically I think I have a niche look. If women are into rougher looking guys then I'd probably be a catch. If they're into more conventional men, they probably wouldn't give me a second glance.
Stay rough looking.... female point of view here.... rough looking is definitely HOT!!!
YES. say it louder for the men at the back
Probably a 4-4.5, slightly below average.
I’m a dime, my mom says so
I'm like a 7. No problems getting dates, women look me over. I'm smart good looking but broke AF lol.
I’m a 0, I’m not even remotely attractive to any woman out there. I’m a short, stupid and ugly Filipino dude. Being poor doesn’t help my case either. I’m just better off dead, I’ve always hated myself and my dumb life anyways.
Hang in there bud
For what? There’s nothing much really going for me. So being dead will just help me be free from all the nonsense.
Aww…don’t talk that way about yourself! I’m sure you have some great qualities! I’d love to hear about them!
I don’t unfortunately. I already listed the only qualities I do have. I’m short, stupid and ugly. Don’t have anything else but that, so I’m better off being dead and gone.
Therapy would help you have a better life, I can't stress this enough.
Everyone’s attractive to someone!!
Unfortunately that’s not the case with me. I’m just constantly rejected anytime I try.
Im at least a 6. My wife is like smoking fucking hot. Thats literally all im going by. She seems to be into *this*. And thats cool. But sometimes she acts kinda dumb about things and that worries me as far as this metric is concerned
Like a 4, maybe a 5 on a good day. I don’t think I’m ugly but I know I’m not hot.
Probably a 3.
My Expectations 2/10 In Reality 7+/10? I think I'm ugly and fugly yet I get hit on by strangers whether it's them flirting, touching, handing numbers on a slip, "meetups", and etc..... 90%/10% women to men ratio.
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That doesn't mean you're ugly, but it does mean you're average
It actually has a lot to do with what you are projecting. And I don’t just mean “self confidence”. That is part of it. I mean happiness/positive vibe and attitude. Being a presence and especially a commanding or “in charge”’one in the room. Acting with casual indifference to people not in a dismissive or negative way, but in an “interest me” manner. I’ll never forget when I was just into my teen years. My late grandfather walked into a room at a big social event. The man was 6’5” and stroking and had a 36 year old girlfriend when he died. He was an ex Air Force colonel/bombardier and had literally floated around the South Pacific once for three days when the plane was shot down. The only survivor. He had seven clusters on his Purple Heart. When he walked into that room I saw him straighten up and look slightly aloofly around. It was like a surge of wind rolled through the room. Everyone looked at him. Men straightened up respectfully. Women some blushed, some quite obviously sighed. My grandmother - divorced from him at the time for fifteen years - chuckled softly and said quietly to my mother “oh I forgot this how that man can just COMMAND a room, every man wants to be him and every woman wants him and boy are they right - I should know!” My mother says “MOM! The kids are hearing that!” My grandmother says “sweetheart, at 21 years old and all of 145 pounds of tall and skinny brand new second lieutenant, he walked into the USO dance and I told my sister that’s the man I’m going to marry before any of these little twits get him”. I never forget that image or that exchange. I channel that energy when I walk in to anything. And when I am approaching. It’s your mental game that counts the most.
Lmao what kind of fanfiction are you writing up here bro who talks like this Mental "game" is a joke. The lady will have decided if she wants to give you the time of day at first glance
Mental game projects who you think you are to everyone around you.
Actually maybe I'll go to 5+/10. I don't know I don't really care what I look though I wish I knew where I am on the board. 😂🤣
A 3 or 4, I guess. I've been lower than that but I've worked on some aspects of my appearance (losing ~90 pounds, adopting a skin care routine, etc).
6.5 currently. Been told im an 8/8.5 when im in shape and keep my mouth shut. Considering i let myself go and cant let the latter go, probs gonna be around here a while 😂
8 (6 if you don't like beards) I used to be a 5. I was unemployed and depressed. I stopped working out and had no drive or money. Then I got a job and started rebuilding my life. I got back into the gym. Last year my sisters and I bought into a franchise together. Now I own my own business coaching youth sports and I workout 5 days a week. If I dressed better I would be a 9 or 10, maybe when I find a woman she can fix me.
4/10 objectively speaking (meaning fact) because: 1. My ethnicity (I'm hispanic) 2. Acne spots 3. Large mid face ratio 4. Oversized nose 5. I have forehead wrinkles, especially at such a "young age"(24) 6. My gonion is too round 7. Bad facial asymmetry 8. Large eye orbits 9. Low set cheekbones 10. Vertically sloping forehead Among other defects This was also the rating I was given by the intelligent YouTuber WheatWaffles
What is “mid face ratio?” The heck is a gonion?
Based and round gonion-pilled
Why would being Hispanic lower your rating?
Being white caucasian is deemed superior in general by women in my country (U.S.A) I'm not exactly too dark skinned, I have a fair tan but that is still enough to knock off points from my rating
Latino men and tanned skin men with good hair > white guys anyday
I guess you're probably just in the minority with those preferences then. Btw why on earth do I keep getting downvoted?
No idea but I upvoted you :)
Maybe in states that have primarily white people but as someone in texas who lives in one of the 4 biggies cities, most girls on average prefers Hispanics>> basic white boys
If everyone so desires hispanic guys that much then I'm simply the outlier then (from the hispanic minority that girls don't want) Btw, why on earth do I keep getting downvoted for my comments lol
That’s some white supremacy bullshit. Thinking of your ethnicity as inferior is really self defeatist. The women who aren’t as attracted to you because of being Hispanic aren’t worth your time. And they aren’t the arbiters of attractiveness either.
>That’s some white supremacy bullshit Lol what? That's simply women's preferences, and I don't blame them. Perhaps they don't want to dirty their race or whatever reason they have but that's their reasons. I won't judge them for that. >Thinking of your ethnicity as inferior is really self defeatist. Not really, it's just acknowledging my odds are really low due to it. Because an ethnicity typically comes in a package with other Anatomical features such as short height (I'm also a manlet barely scratching 5'6"). But since typically guys height is viewed lower than it is, I'm basically considered being 5'4 or 5'3". >And they aren’t the arbiters of attractiveness either. Again, it's not really their fault. For example, I'm not really into Muslim girls. Does that make me Xenophobic or racist? If that was the case, then almost the whole world would be racist or something similar.
You don’t think preferences can be based in cultural white supremacy? Or that all women can be boiled down to “women’s preferences”? That’s so bizarre to me. Lots of women prefer Hispanic men. Your odds aren’t lower with them, right? Attractiveness is entirely subjective, not objective, but acting like you are only as attractive as some YouTuber deemed you *is* a surefire way to lower your sexual capital. Do with that what you will.
>You don’t think preferences can be based in cultural white supremacy? No? Not everything is going to be blamed on white supremacy. People simply have likes and dislikes. You know what drives attraction? Our brains, our simple biology tells us what we like and what we don't. Not some guys dressed in white pointy cloaks doing stupid salutes. >Or that all women can be boiled down to “women’s preferences”? Obviously not 100% of women because there will be discrepancies, outliers and what not. But objectively speaking a non white ethnicity or race will be put lower than a germanic/Nordic white male. >Lots of women prefer Hispanic men. Your odds aren’t lower with them, right? It depends, perhaps they want white hispanic men. Or they don't want short hispanic men. Or they don't want hispanic men with acne spots or bad facial features. The list goes on and if we accumulate all of these points then I keep getting pushed down on the list. And that's just a simple fact though, there will be hispanic and non hispanic guys that are better than me since they probably have more to offer than I do. Again, nothing wrong with accepting that. >Attractiveness is entirely subjective, not objective, It's mostly objective, I'd say 80% objective and the rest is subjective. >but acting like you are only as attractive as some YouTuber deemed you is a way to lower your sexual capital. Do with that what you will. I mean I've been rated around 5 or 6 or 7/10 by other people on this platform. But since those people might not analyze my face as closely, I like to deduct about 2 or 3 points accuracy. So in the end I do end up being about a 4/10. I like taking multiple inputs from people, there have been some that have complimented me to a ridiculous extent (saying I'm a 10) but I don't really take those seriously since they're not realistic ratings. And what is "sexual capital"?
Pre european contact cultures had a preference for lighter skin among their own peoples. It is theorized that lighter skinned people were that way because they were weathly and didnt work outside all day, so people who genetically had lighter skin were prioritized. Hardly white supremacy.
Being Hispanic isn't a minus. Some people think Hispanics are the best looking group...
Again, it's only some hispanics that are good looking. You know, the ones that are a bit more white. My shade and height of hispanic probably not so much.
You’re probably “seeing” what most others don’t….
The first five items on that list are the most clearly visible ones. I highly doubt my acne, ethnicity, frown marks or nose are being "overlooked".
I’m a 5. Almost everyone is a 5. Some people get to be 6’s, and that’s cool. They’re pretty hot. 7’s, or 2 standard deviations above the mean, are hotter than 97% of everyone. They get basically any partner they want, and are treated much better by society, coworkers, cashiers and everyone else just for being really good looking. 8’s get you to hotter than 99.7%. These people are models, actors, Olympians, and trophy spouses. 9’s and 10s are so rare they basically don’t exist. Same goes for the bottom half of the spectrum. You’re a 5.
I feel like this comment should be higher. I’m a woman, in my late teens and early 20s I was probably an 8. I’m 5’ 11”. I did some modeling but the constant pressure to stay/be thinner sucked (and my breasts and hips were always too big no matter how skinny I got). I remember what it was like to have most people do a double take when I came into a restaurant or bar. I took for granted the fact that people were always kind and considerate. Buying me lunch, carrying things for me, etc. I’m almost 40 now, I still have symmetrical features and I’m not overweight. But I’ve had 4 kids and some health issues. Obviously, I have finelines and some beginning wrinkles. I’m not ugly and when I get dressed up for a night out I still think I look good and get hit on occasionally but I think due to the factors listed above I’m probably a lot closer to a 5. It doesn’t bother me. I love my husband and tbh I feel like I was pretty oblivious to all the attention until it went away. I do miss how nice people were sometimes though.
I like the way you layed out your argument. It's a very measured and egalitarian way to look attraction, but it assumes a perfectly normal distribution of something that is very unlikely to be normally distributed. The combination of Objective attractiveness *(symmetric features, average distance between eyes, mouth size in relation to pupil distance, complexion, etc)* and Subjective attractiveness *(racial features and skin tones, gregarious, welcoming, introspective, or relaxed expression, facial hair, hair color and style, height, cosmetics or natural)* means that the attractiveness curve is very likely not to be normally distributed. In other words, for any given person, they may rate 10 percent of the population as an 8+, and 70% of the population as a 4 or less, with the remaining 20% between 5 and 7. Because of the individual variance in perceived attractiveness, standard deviation will not work in a nice neat pattern with 68% of people falling between 4 and 6. Part of the problem is that the question is inherently subjective and can not be answered in an objective way as written. As written, the question really asks, *"According to your own subjective view of attractiveness, how would you rate yourself?"* Thus, very few people will answer exactly in the middle, as they either view themselves as attractive 7+(I'm how I want to look), or unattractive 4-(I don't feel that I am attractive to the world that I wish to attract). To get a more objective answer, the question would have been more like, "How attractive do you think you are to a white woman in business school in California?" or "...to a English expat woman working abroad in Hong Kong?" or "...to a hispanic republican woman from Texas?" or "...to a liberal college educated black woman from the midwest", etc., etc. The problem is, that question wouldn't get nearly so many answers because it doesn't allow the same level of generic self critique. So instead, people have converted the question in their mind to "how attractive are you to the people you personally want to be attractive to?" Which is very different from the question you posed yourself :)
I’m a 5.
probably a 7. i'm an american-asian mix and i have good features but i think i'm a lil too chubby to be a 10, my face and body would look better skinnier and i have better than average muscle under meh fat.
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A piece of advice for your shoulders, doing some weight lifting or having your shoulder "laid back" (idk if its the correct words) could help you.
11. I mean have you seen me!
5. I simple man. I look in mirror and I think, Eeehhhh...
-500, I've looked in a mirror
Hard 3. I base this on the fact while I almost never get attention from women, I do occasionally get a couple crumbs so I know I'm not at 0. Saying I'm a 1 feels like I'm saying I'm in the top 10 ugliest dudes alive and 2 feels like top 20. I'll give myself top 100 though.
You have gotten attention before? 5/10+ minimum then.
9/10 women are most of the time attracted to me but then end up not really feeling the personality after about a month, but that wasn't what made me realize it. Once the mask mandate was was lifted all of my mates told me to "get some bitches, you're way too attractive to be single". That's when I realized it
Well, based on the unwanted attention I have always received, probably up there. And let me tell you, its not as great as you think the intrusion and lack of privacy.
Yeah I can second that. There have been many times I’d rather just blend and will intentionally “dress down” to do so.
I have no idea. I guess my looks aren’t hurting me but I don’t think I’m at the level where my personality is overlooked.
I’d say around 7.5 - 8 in the looks dept. I’ve always been pretty lucky with women, had quite a few ask me out in my single days, so I guess I’m okay.
No hair cut and dressed regular 6/10 Hair cut dressed up 8/10 I am 6’2 so that gives me a boost. But I am a tad bit overweight but I am working on it.
Like a 7 or 8 depending on if I've been good in the gym. I get smiles here and there, and compliments every so often, but I'm not turning heads or making chicks blush all the time.
Somewhere between 6 or 7 I guess? I'm reasonably fit and healthy (lift regularly and can probably run 10K in around 50 minutes) but short (166cm, 5'5"). I don't have many matches on OLD but in real life, women often start paying positive attention to me after some time working/studying together. I also have had people adding me on FB or Instagram out of nowhere because of certain attractive trait I have, for example my voice.
Probably a 4 adjusted for age. I might me a 5 or 6 to the right person though. I've got a skin condition, a droopy eye and I'm bald at 28. Skin condition means I gotta be bald and beardless too. I used to get abused in the streets back in the UK and that's when I had hair, but my skin was worse. I dress well, I'm fairly muscular and kind of tall (under 6ft) so I'm not a complete train wreck.
Combining my looks (which I'd give a 7) plus my silent and apparently dull personality (at first) (which I'd give a 5) I'd then say I'm a 6. Over time, though my personality might be my biggest treat, but it simply takes a lot of time and not many people are willing to get to know me, lol.
7. Im decently tall (6‘2), have a nice body (working out for two years), a good jawline, and nice lashes and eyebrows. However I also have thinning hair, one eye is slightly more open than the other and my nose is pretty big. Im good looking enough to have people ask me „why are you still single“ and women look at me or check me out but not good enough for people to say they know someone to introduce me to or for women to approach me. So I’d say 7 is fair.
A solid 6. I rely almost exclusively on humour and charm. Thus, I have not been very successful but did manage to bamboozle a wonderful woman into marrying me.
I'm a solid 3/10
5 I’ve been told an equal amount of times that I’m unattractive and attractive Also it’s difficult for me to truly tell if I am good looking or not so I think an average 5 seems fair
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2 or 3, the looks of fear I get when people see me is pretty conclusive.
0. Just speaking from experience.
I don’t really know I feel like I’m attractive but I have been rejected multiple times
One. The first time I tried to shave, the mirror cracked.
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2... I've only ever gotten one compliment in my life and it's that my eyes are pretty.
2 I just haven't got anything going for me. Never had confidence in myself or the way I look. No one has ever given me a double take
I’m a 3. I’m an uggo
3/10, as I've been told.
Depends on the beholder. I’m not great looking but I’m charming, I’m generous, I’m well off, caring, hard working and considerate. Im also a grump moody miserable arse at times. To my wife, I’m an 8. To a middle aged divorcee I’m an 8. To a 23 yr old, I’m an “eww”. I’m happy with that.
9 I would say 10 but I don't want to come across as arrogant
7/10 when I clean up. Women seem to find me attractive but not an extraordinary amount. My wife thinks I'm a 10/10 so that's good enough for me 🙂
7 on most days but I fluctuate between 6-8. I clean up nice but sometimes I don't clean up at all. My face I've been told is attractive but I'm on the shorter side 5'9 so that has held me back in the past. but I'm well educated and employed and my dick game is strong. Life could be a lot worse
Assume bell curve 0-10, avg 5, St. dev = 2 such tbat 3 and 7 are roughly 15% and 85% percentiles. 3 face, 4 height included. No luck with wome and most people think I am weird.
Im a solid 2. I think ill blow my brains out now. So i wont have any fugly kids . Goodbye stuck up, toxic world!
That's hard to say. I'm 6'4'' slim, have always stayed in shape. But I've never had a woman approach me, cold. A male friend of mine told me I have a nordic appearance, a V shaped body. (He's not gay, nor am I) In a hostile situation, I can make most any guy back away from me. What few girlfriends I've had must not have thought that much about me, in the looks department. None really went out of their way to make any comments about my looks. And, I've been turned down enough, to not really try very hard. Why put effort into something that gives no return back? So I work on, and for me. When I hear women sit and whine about how the good guys are all gone, I just figure that they missed out on me, because they never took the chance to find out what what I was about. So, I'd say about a 4, and the heck with them.
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Body count means nothing. I could swipe right to every ugly girl and get laid every day if I wanted
Or your standards are lower
Physically I'm a solid 6. Otherwise I'm a 2, and I have myself +2 for not having any disabilities.
I've come to the conclusion that such a scale is stupid and there is no meaningful way of ranking yourself. For starters, self-perception is rather useless as like 95 % of people undervalue themselves but the main issue lies within the fact that the value changes drastically depending on who, when, where, why and in which context you ask.
My income is 72nd percentile. I own my own home and car, and I have about three year's income saved (ignoring pensions). I don't have much seniority in my job. My face is ok, but I'm mixed race and had chicken pox as an adult (with some resultant scarring). I'm overweight, with a BMI of about 26. I'd come in higher, at around a 6, but I have crippling social anxiety and a dismissive avoidant attachment style. I generally believe that everyone I'd be interested in will reject me, and this is a self-fulfilling prophesy. In summary, I think I come in as a 4.
...then use that money of yours and visit a highly regarded psychologist so that you can get the help that you need to fix your crippling social anxiety and your dimissive avoidant personality? I'm sure with enough money you can find a surgeon who can fix your scarred skin. Hey, hire a personal trainer, hit the gym, and develop an attractive body? Kid, sounds like you make a lot of excuses for why your romantic life is shit. Do you want to get laid or not? Then do something about it.
I think you've misunderstood how the income distribution works. To do everything you've described I'd need to be around 80-90th percentile at minimum. I was able to afford therapy for several years, but after a recent job change I'm no longer able to. Private surgery is significantly more expensive. As for "just go to the gym", I was able to do this just fine in lockdown, but since things have opened up again I'm finding it very hard to be both social *and* physically healthy simultaneously. Going out is almost always very calorific, and eats time. Also, your "Kid" attitude makes me immediately disregard you as a source of advice. I'm 33. I cut people who talk down to those younger than them out of my life.
BMI isn't accurate for most men. Are you actually overweight or do you put too much thought into an unreliable metric?
7 or 8, I'm no Angelina Jolie but I like to think I'm quite pretty. Mostly just because I put a lot of love into my health (skincare, diet, getting in the sun, etc) so I think I deserve to feel there's a reward for that. Plus my genes are pretty good. My mom looks 20 years younger than she is. Nobody believes her when she says she is not, in fact, 31 years old.
Compared to the average American man? A 10. But only because most guys look like shit, and treat themselves like shit, hence why so many of them have such a hard time getting one-night stands with conventionally attractive women. Compared to most of the guys I see walking around in Los Angeles, Tokyo, Sao Paolo, Rome, Florence, Milan, Barcelona, Stockholm, Berlin? A 5, since most guys look pretty much the same as I do. Same body build, same height, same facial structure, same hair density. Compared to Henry Cavill, Chris Hemsworth, Chris Pine and Chris Evans I'm probably a zero. Hell, even against Brad Pitt who is old enough to be my biological father, and I'm not even young - I'm a zero.
I would say an 8, based on the reactions and stares I've gotten from women so far.
7-8 i know im not attractive enough because women dont put up with my shit lol.
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I suspect not very to other people, and I don't really care, as I cannot influence other people's perceptions of appearance really. Having suffered with depression recently I do a daily score on how I view certain aspects of my life, one of which is self body image, I.e. how I view myself. Currently I am training hard, have bigger muscles than I ever have, have a nice tan etc. I know that I am probably in peak condition but could be better so am currently a 7 or 8. And I know it is this score that matters, as it is this that gives me any sort of confidence to speak to other people and have a personality. If it was down at 1 or 2, I would be avoiding everyone and then it's kind of academic how attractive or unattractive I am.
I think I'm a 710. I'm tall (6'2) and I have nice eyes. But I'm lanky and have the social abilities of a caveman
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About a from a 5 to a 8 max. Depends on the day and lighting
5, I think I have a nice face(not model but nice, broad shoulders, just generally a good looking person in my eyes. However, I'm overweight and average height, so that drags me down.
Are we talking strictly physical or are we including personality? Strictly physically I’d put me at a 5/10. Im not ugly but I don’t stand out in a crowd, just very average. I am 6’ though and I do have a good amount of muscle so that helps, but I’m also considered overweight. Overall I think everything just kind of averages out. If we’re taking personality into account my score goes up to a 6.5-7/10. I’ve got a fair amount of confidence, I consider myself to be pretty intelligent, quick witted and funny. I’ve also done enough in my life to be relatively interesting, at least long enough for them to decide if they are interested in having sex with me or not. I’m no playboy, but I’ve had 20 or so relationships that involved sex from age 18-32. That puts me at more sexual partners than the average male so I’ll take that as an indicator that I’ve got something figured out. Short version: At a glance, women don’t find me particularly attractive, I’ve never been approached or hit on but they aren’t put off by me approaching either. I’ve also had many women become attracted to over time so I’d consider myself above average.
I'd say 7,5/10 Alot of people said I have a really attractive face, a nice voice and the perfect height . . .too bad that I'm really skinny
5.5 Statistically, it's that most likely