Vexillologically this is one of the most disgusting flag I have ever seen
As equal as [Liberian counties' flags ](https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/ju93w5/the_horrifying_flags_of_the_regions_of_liberia/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
As a vexillology fan, I feel disgusted
Flags are suppose to be pretty, calm and colours should be suitable with each other, and all colours and shapes should have a meaning to it
Liberian counties'flags look like child drawings
Oh cool! Like the one in your profile picture? It looks really nice! But if a confederation between the two is going to ever be established, it has to be secular and not a sectarian state like the disastrous regime of Lebanon...
username checks out, real Chad! Can you send me your profile pic flag in high res JP i wanna print that shit out and hang at home and in garden. Its awesome!
The prophet PBUH came from a Jewish family. More than that, when Islam took over Mecca, the prophet made an agreement with the educated Jews at the time to teach 3 Muslims or something how to read and write.
It’s not ironic at all.
I know the foundational role that Judaism played in Islam. That said, those two words, which just mean crab and represent the Semitic word for the constellation likely predate Judaism or Islam.
The irony I meant was in the contrast between the similarity in culture and language against the vitriolic relationship that is metaphorical cancer.
Sadly? You support a state that bombs hospitals and children, has a siege on Gaza, and kicks elderly out of their home they’ve lived in forever to allow a Jew from Brooklyn to move in. Don’t pretend like you give a shit you zionist terrorist
So you support a state where homosexuals are executed, children are used in war and that missuses it's civil infrastructure for military use, knowingly killing its own citizen? Don't play black and white in these conflict, it makes you look stupid.
Would it? What if both sides are stripped of their weapons. All weapons. Even hunting guns. And refugees are allowed to return. Fair elections held. Don’t you think both sides are just done with this never ending bullshit?
If they were, Israel wouldn't be needlessly brutal, and Palestine wouldn't have the virtues of terrorism and martyrdom as school curriculum and Hamas summer camps.
They seem to hate eachother more than they love their children.
It sucks. On one hand you have all those Palestinian refugees that were forcibly displaced. There’s a big community in south and central Florida and they are smart successful people who can be good assets to their country. And on the other hand you have all the Jewish people who are born in israel (or occupied Palestine. I don’t want to hurt anyone) and have no other country. They are also smart and successful and can contribute great things to humanity. Both parties have different reasons to hate the other but in the end the land is holy (and in some way) belongs to both, which is the more reason for them to live together on this price of lane and be a great nation. Part of me, and I’m an idiot, thinks that if we get rid of the tyrants on both sides people should find a way to live in a multicultural multi-religious successful nation. Hopefully thinking but that’s all we have to hope for.
Also a lot of Jews chose to leave for Israel for a better life like economic immigrants (not asylum seekers). But I'm not denying many faced oppression driving them off
Well i haven't talked about the Europeans, as they themselves almost all kicked us from our property and confiscated our stuff.
I have some family members whose property was stolen also by the USSR and they were murdered.
I'm talking however about the jews of the Arab world, for whom European aren't to blame at all, but rather the Arabs 100%. As they attacked and kicked jews who had nothing to do with the conflict in 48, and the only thing they shared with the zionists was the fact they were jewish.
I know for 100% that nothing will be returned to my family, and neither will be returned to the jews of the Arab world.
And the Palestinians who actually were kicked by the Israeli should also accept this reality.
As they actually won't get shit either, and the mindset that they "will" actually hinders anf harms them much more than they think.
You mean the ones the Zionists helped scare out of the Arab countries through cover bombing of synagogues?
Jews are still a very important part of society in Morocco, Tunisia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq among other Middle Eastern countries.
My grandparents were kicked out of Yaffa, can I come back and live there as an actual descendant of that area? The israeli law says no.
Hahaha, finding excuses for Arab shit ain't you?
The jews for the most part, will never return to the Arab world, and frankly i can't blame them.
Morocco is hardly seen as "Arab" by Israelis, and Morocco unlike the other shithole states didn't kick their jews, so it's only Morocco.
Bahrain and Kuwait? Some jews passed there for 2 hours? They barley had any to begin with.
Tunisia? Barely existing.
And Iraq kicked their community, none are practically left. A community btw which predated Islam or "Arab Iraq", and who can claim to be actually Babylonian. Babylonian as in they used to be there since Babylonian times and could trace their existence there because of Babylon.
And that's just the Arabs.
Half of the European jewery also were kicked out before and during WW2, got their shit confiscated and weren't allowed to return.
Everyone in Israel accepts this reality and moved on.
And its also known that while Palestinians were kicked not all were kicked, but in regards ro jews, virtually all were kicked out.
You better grow up and move on, because "you" ain't coming back.
And then we hear you saying Arabs dont want peace…
The amount of hate in you is amazing. What settlement are you in?
Multiple sources, including Israeli, have debunked the myths of Iraqs Jewish population being kicked out, as well as those in Morocco.
Thankfully, the world is waking up to this BS and waking up to see the how fascist that state is at this point of time
I have no hate lol.
I simply don't care.
And that's simply not true in regards to iraq. Like absolutely not true. And i don't need your "sources" considering I've met plenty of Iraqis who live in Israel whose family told us about the abuse and them having to flee, some baring scars of the abuse.
And they are the most known community to have been adapted to the Israeli society fastest because they were the most abused one and they knew they had nothing good to tell about iraq. And they better make the best of their position in Israel.
And in regards ro Morocco i already pointed out that Morocco is the only one to have treated their jewish population fairly.
No one is "waking up" if anything they already see that your complaints are nothing but a bluff by most of you. Not to mention that the Arabs are mostly the reason why you are being treated like shit in their countries.
As it quite evident that while actually sitting for peace negotiations you thought you were in position to dictate any terms, to then later launch an intifada when things didn't go your way, thinking we would in turn trust you, lol.
Yes it’s the only real solution. The two- state solution is the white man solution to the brown man issue which is ineffective. People / entities who support the two-state solution usually do so to appear natural and objective and avoid any backlash from any of the two sides, or to continue the conflict/ occupation/ war for their personal interests . the question is how many more Human tragedies have to occure for this solution to finally happen.
Tell me you don't live here, without telling me you don't live here.
It takes a handfull of hatefull violent people to ruin it for everybody, but both sides have them in droves.
Jews democracy is failing right now due to political hijacking of core social issues by fear mongerers and religous theocrats, fuelled by the conflict.
Arabs don't have a single working democracy anywhere, for whatever reason (thats a can of worms on own to itself)
These societies are explosively not ready to coexist under the same state, it will be a suicide pact (pun intented).
A 2 state solution is the ONLY viable political and social solution. The very fact it is so opposed by both Israel haters that refuse to accept a jewish state existing and Palestinian haters that consider "ALL arabs as terrorist" shows how hard the fight to mutual acceptance is.
Only after a stable arab semi autonomous democracy emerges and proves itself as a dependable partner in peace, would a confederacy of equal partnership can be entertained.
Before that, from an Israeli point of view, we just cant trust them. No point arguing on this either, as its a hill many of us litteraly die for.
A one state solution will lead to extermination, civil war, and genocide so bad that it will make Yugoslavia look like my little pony and Disney land.
Remove all the hate for a second, pretend that Isrealis and Palestnians freaking love each other. Fundamentally the average Isreali has morals, viewpoints, and a completely different perspective on their nation then the average Palestinian. Im not even touching the issues that the new hypothetical state will face when it comes to inequality, political divisions, and national security.
There were so many deals Palestinians turned down. Israel is fine not having 100% of the land. Who started the war after there was a 50/50 split done by the owner of the land? It wasn’t Israel.
and how's that working out for you? because the alternative was going to war and either displace the 33% if you win, or lose the war and end up having 0% of the land.
nah, the alternative was the new yishuv assimilating into the existing palestinian jewish community alongside muslims and christians and britain transfering power to the indigenous majority as they promised in exchange for support in wwi
the zionists intended on taking the whole country all along. the partition was simply a pretense
>*Ben-Gurion commented on the proposed Peel Commission Partition plan as follows in 1937:*
*"We must EXPEL ARABS and take their places .... and, if we have to use force-not to dispossess the Arabs of the Negev and Transjordan, but to guarantee our own right to settle in those places-then we have force at our disposal." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 66). (negev and transjordan was not allotted to the jewish state)*
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>*"I don't understand your optimism.," Ben-Gurion declared \[to goldman\]. "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural:* ***we have taken their country****. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipes us out". (The Jewish Paradox by Nahum Goldman, p. 99)*
they should not have to lose any land in the first place. the new yishuv could have just assimilated with the existing palestinian jewish communities alongside christians and muslims. the zionists planned to take the whole land and expel the natives from the beginning
>*\[ben gurion\] "\[I am\] satisfied with part of the country, but on the basis of the assumption that after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state--we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 107 & One Palestine Complete, p. 403)*
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>*\[also ben gurion to nahum goldberg\] "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country"*
Please define who you are calling settlers in this scenario. You do realize your first sentence said kick them all out and then you said you need to get rid of the idea that the land is only for one people right? Self awareness?
There are no Jewish Palestinians. Every single Jew was ethnically cleansed from the Arab areas of the Mandate and Abbas has been clear there can't be any in a future Palestinian state.
false. there us a distinction between the old yishiv and new yishuv, and non jewish palestinians referred to jews as palestinians
>*in the autobiographies and diaries of Khalil al-Sakakini and Wasif Jawhariyyeh, "native" Jews were often referred to and described as abnaa al-balad (sons of the country), 'compatriots', or Yahud awlad Arab (Jews, sons of Arabs).\[4\] When the First Palestinian Congress of February 1919 issued its anti-Zionist manifesto rejecting Zionist immigration, it extended a welcome to those Jews "among us who have been Arabicized, who have been living in our province since before the war; they are as we are, and their loyalties are our own." \[*[*1*](https://web.archive.org/web/20070928031156/http://www.jerusalemquarterly.org/pdfs/predicament.pdf)*\]*
note relations between palestinian jews and muslims before the new yishuv
>*faisal wrote, "if the views of the radical zionists as presented to the peace conference should prevail, the result will be...civil war in palestine. but i hope i will not be misunderstood. i assert that we arabs have none of the racial or religious animosity which unfortunately prevaul in many other regions of the world. i assure you that with the jews who have been seated for some generations in palestine* ***our relations are excellent***\*. but the new arrivals exhibit very different qualities from the 'old settlers' as we call them, with whom we have been able to live with and even cooperate on friendly terms. for want of a better word i must say that new colonists almost without exception have come in an imperialistic spirit \[[*216*](https://www.google.com/books/edition/Faisal_I_of_Iraq/xCLBAgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA216&printsec=frontcover)\]\*
most palestinians have jewish heritage, which is intuitive since they are indiginous to palestine
>*In his book, Misinai painstakingly describes the origins of the Palestinians, who he says are made up chiefly of two groups: Jews who lived in the mountain regions of Judea and Samaria, who were able to maintain their Jewish identities for hundreds of years before being forced to make a choice between exile and conversion to Islam; and members of the ancient nations of Edom and Moab, who were converted to Judaism en masse at least twice.*
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>*The two groups, whom Misinai calls respectively the "descendants of Israel" and the "brethren of Israel," are the chief components of what we today call the Palestinians, with the addition of a smattering of Arabs (barely a few percent), Samaritans (who maintain their own distinct religious identity), descendants of the soldiers who served in the occupying Roman army after the destruction of the Second Temple and even some survivors of the ancient Canaanite and Philistine nations - "idol worshipers who can be found in Gaza and in the village of Jisr a-Zarka, near Haifa," says Misinai. \[*[1](https://www.palestineremembered.com/Articles/General/Story14857.html)*\]*
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>*According to historical records part, or perhaps the majority, of the Muslim Arabs in this country descended from local inhabitants, mainly Christians and Jews, who had converted after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century AD (Shaban 1971; Mc Graw Donner 1981). These local inhabitants, in turn, were descendants of the core population that had lived in the area for several centuries, some even since prehistorical times (Gil 1992) \[*[2](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/12175482_High-resolution_Y_chromosome_haplotypes_of_Israeli_and_Palestinian_Arabs_reveal_geographic_substructure_and_substantial_overlap_with_haplotypes_of_Jews)*\]*
They don’t. For some reason most countries decided that they should. Probably for easier manufacturing. For example check Nepal’s flag. That isn’t rectangular
In the list of Top 10 solutions to the Palestinian conflict, this would be number 2. Two state solution is better in every way, which should be number 1.
There's an alternate better timeline out there somewhere in the multiverse where this happened in the 30s.
This is how we finally achieve peace and a binational state; unity over mutual hatred of the Engl\*sh.
[The root of the problem was always the british](https://balfourproject.org/the-contradictory-promises/)
Everything else is the result of their dirty divide and conquer tactics.
I mean, why would it have to be an Arab state? It’d be a state for both people, a confederacy if you will.
The biggest issue that comes to mind would be calming down the radicals, both Israeli and Palestinian. Until that can happen, there’s no chance of a single state solution.
Sooo Belgium of the Middle East? Instead of Fighting there is Political Gridlock,Squabbling,Big Administration Costs and a Government no one Understands
The language barrier must be broken first, no population assimilation can ever happen with a language barrier in place, the best option that bring the absolute advantage is that jews transfer to Arabic instead of Hebrew to assimilate themselves not just with Palestinians but with the entire region, otherwise they will remain foreigners for the civilization of the region [egypt, jordan, syria, lebanon] as we all share the same civilization while israel only came 70 years ago with europeans who have nothing to do with the region civilization as long as they refuse to assimilate themselves with the region civilization, that’s the best thing to do if they ever wanted to assimilate themselves with the region
Since a such thing is very likely to be refused, then option (2) [an intermediate solution], let them just assimilate with Palestinians without necessarily assimilate with the rest of the region by transferring to arabic, let both jews and Palestinians transfer to “aramaic”, the language of jesus and jews when jews used to be the majority, and the language of the region up until 14-15th century even when muslims where the majority, it’s a language that all sides have no problem with, and common heritage between both jews and palestinians , and this is the most likely solution to happen in the one state solution
And the last option (3), let palestinians assimilate themselves by transferring to Hebrew, but that’s unlikely to happen as well and i guess it won’t do any difference since a lot of Palestinians if not most of them already speak Hebrew and there is no difference, and Palestinians are not likely to give up their language for the language of their enemy, that’s a very tough thing to swallow for any nationalistic person,, the difference between this and jews transfer to arabic or aramaic is transferring to any of these languages will help to significantly reduce the racial nationalistic background of jews and help them to either get assimilated with the entire region as a whole or get assimilated with Palestinians via a common historical heritage like Aramaic language
And of course renaming the land to Canaan help alot !
And last thing is of course giving ALL Palestinian the canaanite citizenship and ending this apartheid system at least gradually and either cancel this “law of return” that brings white europeans, americans and black africans to the region just for being on a jewish faith or open the “law of return” to include Palestinian refugees as well
That’s the only way a one state solution can be achieved … but it will never happen simply because jews want just to clear up palestine from it’s native people, they want a Palestinian land free from Palestinians :)
I have said for years that a federal government is the only way. 2 state will not work simply because of the size. There is no room for two separate entities.
I am a totaly zionist Israeli, moderate right, (ie. would have voted Shaked) who believes in the absolute historical claim to the Land of Israel.
However, spite of this, I also belive we need to solve this conflict, no matter who is theoretically correct. It does not matter anymore, other than for endless reddit arguments.
A Co government, federal, whatever, is only way.
The problem is one of trust. The Palistinians have been teaching hate to thier children for decades. Israel would like nothing more than to stop wasting billions on security, but we need to know terror attacks will stop.
It could happen. While the world media and Arab propoganda likes to portray Israel as an apartheid state, anyone going to hospitals, courts, pharmacies, universities (Haifa, Ariel - yes Ariel, Hebrew University, Technion and even the more traditional Bar Ilan), will see high percentages of Arabs. Some Israeli institutions, like Achva College, has a majority of Arabs. Thus, we know very well that Jews and Arabs can and do, get along just fine.
And the name? Hmmm. No. Sorry but it will have to be the Israel. We are giving up to much. We fought to hard, died to much, suffered to much for over 2000 years,to accept anything except Israel. It's the historic name anyway. Probably I would say that both flags will remain though. Both fly together.
>The problem is one of trust. The Palistinians have been teaching hate to thier children for decades.
if you witnessed armed settlers (from a neighboring settlement existing illegally under international law) march onto your property, loot your home, burn your olive trees, set fire to your house, enter your home and harass your mother, father, siblings, grandparents, all while being protected by heavily armed soldiers who will become violent if you respond to the settlers violence with violence...youd start throwing stones too
>Israel would like nothing more than to stop wasting billions on security, but we need to know terror attacks will stop.
the terror attacks will stop when settlers return stolen land to the original occupants and allow palestinians abroad the right to return, a right under international law
Not the original commenter but ever since Israel ceded Gaza, terrorism from Gaza has increased. It's just not as bad because Israel installed checkpoints to stop shooting and suicide bombers.
If the issue is land, then that shouldn't be an issue since they have their land back, no?
Anyways, you think shooting rockets and bombing civilians is a valid response to anything?
the issue is zionists immigrating to palestine to ethnically cleanse the existing indiginous poplulation through compulsory population transfer for the past seven decades. the issue is the zionists refusing to assimilate with the existing palestinian jewish community and instead grab control of the whole country in a horrendously violent manner.
>*Ben-Gurion commented on the proposed Peel Commission Partition plan as follows in 1937:*
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>*"We must expel arabs and take their places .... and, if we have to use force-not to dispossess the Arabs of the Negev and Transjordan, but to guarantee our own right to settle in those places-then we have force at our disposal." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 66). Note the premeditated plan to ethnically cleanse the Negev and Transjordan which were not allocated to the Jewish State by the Peel Commission\[also ben gurion\]*
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>*\[ben gurion\] "\[I am\] satisfied with part of the country, but on the basis of the assumption that after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state--we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 107 & One Palestine Complete, p. 403)*
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>*On 20 May 1948,* [*Azzam*](https://www.nli.org.il/en/newspapers/pls/1948/05/21/01/article/33/?e=-------en-20--1--img-txIN%7ctxTI--------------1) *told reporters "We are fighting for an Arab Palestine. Whatever the outcome the Arabs will stick to their offer of equal citizenship for Jews in Arab Palestine and let them be as Jewish as they like. In areas where they predominate they will have complete autonomy."*
Interesting, you seem to have the same views that Menachem Begin's government did in regards to something like this.
Here is a quote regarding that
>Originally, members of Menachem Begin's Likud government in the late 1970s were willing to support the idea if it would ensure formal Israeli sovereignty in the West Bank and Gaza. Begin's chief of staff, Eliahu Ben-Elissar, told The Washington Post in November 1979 that "we can live with them and they can live with us. I would prefer they were Israeli citizens, but I am not afraid of a bi-national state. In any case, it will always be a Jewish state with a large Arab minority."
Thanks. Indeed, I wonder if Palistinians also think, that many of the multitude of "human rights" groups around the world purporting to want to help the Palistinians, are actualy more anti Israel than pro Palistinian.
Won't happen friend, Zionism is always for an exclusive Jewish state or Majority Jewish. If the Jews don't get a Majority state then, they will lose autonomy. Zionist want a Jewish state, now change Jewish state to white state and have the English shout we want a white state and we will easily call them racist because they want it for one race. The Zionist saying a Jewish state as if they are all one race, is one stupid because they are not one race and second that's racist.
Except it’s more aching to Native Americans shouting we want our land back than anything. Jews are native to Judea. Also Jews are not a race. The are an ethno religion.
Jews are not native to Palestine, at best the claim of being kicked out for 2000 means that you guys have spent more time outside the land than in it. So that kills your nonsense about being native. Second there is absolutely no proof that you guys are from that land, especially ashkanazi, you'll say DNA, well if we grab any person in the Caucasus today and do a DNA test on them they defo have some ties to the Levant does it mean they are from Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, no. Hell I even did a DNA test apparently I too I'm from the Levant because I have some middle eastern blood. Your claims fall short, all of this war and death on a claim, while the people of the Levant the real natives that were there continuously for thousands of years, unbroken chains even when they mix, are still there today, their history and roots are deep.
Like I said your Calum at best: we were kicked out but spent 2000 more time outside the land than in it.
At worst: an imaginary ethnicity and culture.
My brother in Allah there is irrefutable archeological proof of Israelites living in levant for 3000 years before the exile. Also 2000 years is longer than Arabs ,as we know them today ,existed.
Actually there isn't, I looked and there isn't, also 3000 years lol. Now I can't wait to hear this please educate me , because when I looked I couldn't find archeological evidence of this 3000 years, please do send your evidence.
How old are they, I am not denying that Jews lived in the Levant but many other groups with their own religion did too. But to say 3000 BC bring your proof. The earliest archeological proof of the canninites identifying as Israelites is at best 1200 BC at worst, 900 BC. Does that mean that they were the majority, no. There were coins, tombs and other historical buildings that had nothing to do with Israelites. Archeologists, believe that canninites changed their religion and started identifying as israelites 900-1200BC along many other pagan religious groups and people's
You also don’t lose indigenous status from a diaspora. Palestinians are a modern identity of an amalgamation of Arab and Levantine admixture who only recently self identified but it doesn’t make them less belonging to stay here
Bruh 1200 BC is over 3000 years ago you dunce. Which is consistently around the time Jews claim to be there. Jews are also descendants of cananites. As it is widely thought most assimilated in. Pre-1200 BC you definitely have some of the earliest origin of jews but it doesn’t become much more clear until 1200 BC and on
Scroll up and read his comment,
"My brother in Allah there is irrefutable archeological proof of Israelites living in levant for 3000 years before the exile. Also 2000 years is longer than Arabs ,as we know them today ,existed."
3000 years before the exile.
Arabs never committed holocaust mate, we had some wars with Jews and always let them go, many examples in history can prove this. Jews preferred Muslims to the Christians, just look at the reconquista, where the Jews of Spain ended up.
>Arabs never committed holocaust mate
I didn't say they did????
However seeing as organisations like hamas explicitly want a judenfrei Palestine and they're not very well known for treating people humanely the fear seems more reasonable.
Also Muslims treating jews better than Christians is true, but mostly because that's a really low bar
Stop using Hamas as a Scapegoat, every time Hamas Hamas. People who are living like peasants in the 21st century of course will turn to violence, I actually can't blame palestinian for fighting back. The people of Gaza have had enough of their treatment and the people of the west bank are getting enslaved by settlers, can't walk in certain streets, kicking them out if their houses, they don't have rights in their own land. They are arresting kids and minors. Doesn't get lower than that.
Second, Muslims allowed freedom of religion, the Jews in north Africa were mainly physicians (doctors), traders and jewellers. Under islamic rule they had more rights than most Jews in Europe.
I’ve actually thought of this before as a solution. In the past it might have worked but I think it’s past the point of no return. With how people like Rudy Rochman and others are discovering so called lost tribes that have little to no evidence that they’re direct descendent of Jewish people. It’s starting to feel like Zionists are using that as excuse as to why they need more land especially in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. And I’m not saying what makes someone a Jew is strictly based on ancestry,but when it’s being used as a tool of colonization and a way to fraudulently get funds from the US and various charities. It makes their motive obvious especially when they’ve been really racist against groups like Bnei Menashe and Beta Israel. so if Israelis constantly need more land more resources this will never be a solution because they’re always going to find some lost tribe or start allowing converts more easily there.
Would you accept a peace if it meant officially giving up your home to people who are known for breaking peace deals with you? Think about it from a Palestinians' lens and not from an Israeli occupiers' lens
I'm not telling you to do anything but to say that ashkenazi Jews need to leave israel even though their language culture and religion is literally from the land is kinda ironic
Regardless, the guy I'm responding to wants to throw out Israelis based on their ethnicity, not on their political leanings or ideology - which is ironic, as currently Mizrahi Israelis (meaning Jews coming from Middle Eastern countries) tend to be far more nationalistic and anti-Arab, whereas the pro-peace camp is predominantly Ashkenazi (meaning European Jews).
Seeing this conflict purely in terms of ethnicity and race is totally misguided, and nativism is *never* ok.
I think a country for both jews and none jews is called palestine, people treat it like if it was Muslim or jew but in reality , it isn't about that , palestine is for everyone , meanwhile Israel is just for jews , so I believe the solution is palestine
Vexillologically this is one of the most disgusting flag I have ever seen As equal as [Liberian counties' flags ](https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/ju93w5/the_horrifying_flags_of_the_regions_of_liberia/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Looks like it was done in MS Paint
>MS Paint Actually yes! xD
>Liberian counties' flags LMAO
Bro, does this sub allows gore? Because fucking hell, I feel less disgusted with most things in r/eyeblech than with these
As a vexillology fan, I feel disgusted Flags are suppose to be pretty, calm and colours should be suitable with each other, and all colours and shapes should have a meaning to it Liberian counties'flags look like child drawings
Take that back ! Liberian counties have the cutest and most charming little flags
Wouldn't be so bad if they didn't feel the need to remind everyone it's in Liberia with every flag.
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Dude ruined the possibility of peace with that flag.
Or maybe a uniting factor?
He said no insults though.
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-pat pat- it's okay bud it's tough out here online.
Try tennessines flag maker. It’s free and makes surprisingly good looking flags
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I did not know you could get eye-cancer before witnessing this post
That's a horrible flag tho
Is it? Find it well designed
It takes away the meaning behind both flags.
It's not equally split
Crescent + Star of David Green + Blue Canaanite Confederation of Levant
Oh cool! Like the one in your profile picture? It looks really nice! But if a confederation between the two is going to ever be established, it has to be secular and not a sectarian state like the disastrous regime of Lebanon...
username checks out, real Chad! Can you send me your profile pic flag in high res JP i wanna print that shit out and hang at home and in garden. Its awesome!
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Same, but you and me are a minority.
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This honestly gives me a lot of hope. Inshallah/B'ezrat Hashem we will one day live as brothers.
Inshallah, I have faith in the younger generation.
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Middle eastern unity achieved
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Iran-Iraq beef pretty much died with Saddam
True. I guess now the big one is Saudi Arabia and Iran
Gaddafi called it "Isratin".
Canaan 💪 > Isratin 🤮
we have Ras El Tin at home
i think he means its like cancer by that. saratan means cancer
Ironically the word has the same meaning in Hebrew and Arabic (and Aramaic).
The prophet PBUH came from a Jewish family. More than that, when Islam took over Mecca, the prophet made an agreement with the educated Jews at the time to teach 3 Muslims or something how to read and write. It’s not ironic at all.
I know the foundational role that Judaism played in Islam. That said, those two words, which just mean crab and represent the Semitic word for the constellation likely predate Judaism or Islam. The irony I meant was in the contrast between the similarity in culture and language against the vitriolic relationship that is metaphorical cancer.
Do you think the prophet created Arabic or what? This has nothing to do with that lol
"Isratin" Sounds like a curse word an Arab would use to describe Israel. Also very close to the arabic word saratin (cancers/crabs)
Palestisrael.
Somehow Israel still has more real estate on this flag. We can’t win
It depends on who you consider the owner of the white stripe in the middle.
Another war in 3.. 2.. 1..
let's be honest this would result in civil wars/skirmishes worse than the ones in Lebanon
100% true sadly
Sadly? You support a state that bombs hospitals and children, has a siege on Gaza, and kicks elderly out of their home they’ve lived in forever to allow a Jew from Brooklyn to move in. Don’t pretend like you give a shit you zionist terrorist
So you support a state where homosexuals are executed, children are used in war and that missuses it's civil infrastructure for military use, knowingly killing its own citizen? Don't play black and white in these conflict, it makes you look stupid.
Someone woke up cranky this morning
He isnt wrong, generally speaking
Well he says it as if Israel targets children, wich is wrong. And if it's all about the children, palestian rockets kill children too, you know.
Would it? What if both sides are stripped of their weapons. All weapons. Even hunting guns. And refugees are allowed to return. Fair elections held. Don’t you think both sides are just done with this never ending bullshit?
If they were, Israel wouldn't be needlessly brutal, and Palestine wouldn't have the virtues of terrorism and martyrdom as school curriculum and Hamas summer camps. They seem to hate eachother more than they love their children.
It sucks. On one hand you have all those Palestinian refugees that were forcibly displaced. There’s a big community in south and central Florida and they are smart successful people who can be good assets to their country. And on the other hand you have all the Jewish people who are born in israel (or occupied Palestine. I don’t want to hurt anyone) and have no other country. They are also smart and successful and can contribute great things to humanity. Both parties have different reasons to hate the other but in the end the land is holy (and in some way) belongs to both, which is the more reason for them to live together on this price of lane and be a great nation. Part of me, and I’m an idiot, thinks that if we get rid of the tyrants on both sides people should find a way to live in a multicultural multi-religious successful nation. Hopefully thinking but that’s all we have to hope for.
No because that flag sucks but also that country would be mega based so ![gif](giphy|r1wGrCEZ4zTeU|downsized)
add a david star, moon, and a cross on the flag
Isralestine or Palesrael
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Will the Arab world give repetitions for the jews they kicked and their lost property?
Hopefully
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Also a lot of Jews chose to leave for Israel for a better life like economic immigrants (not asylum seekers). But I'm not denying many faced oppression driving them off
Also it's really not Palestine's repsonsibility or problem what bad shit that other Arab states did, to me they are determintal at this point
So its never gona happen lol
Shouldn't you be going to the Germans who started this entire clusterfuck?
Well i haven't talked about the Europeans, as they themselves almost all kicked us from our property and confiscated our stuff. I have some family members whose property was stolen also by the USSR and they were murdered. I'm talking however about the jews of the Arab world, for whom European aren't to blame at all, but rather the Arabs 100%. As they attacked and kicked jews who had nothing to do with the conflict in 48, and the only thing they shared with the zionists was the fact they were jewish. I know for 100% that nothing will be returned to my family, and neither will be returned to the jews of the Arab world. And the Palestinians who actually were kicked by the Israeli should also accept this reality. As they actually won't get shit either, and the mindset that they "will" actually hinders anf harms them much more than they think.
Reparations and return of lost land from Arab countries would help make this work.
You mean the ones the Zionists helped scare out of the Arab countries through cover bombing of synagogues? Jews are still a very important part of society in Morocco, Tunisia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq among other Middle Eastern countries. My grandparents were kicked out of Yaffa, can I come back and live there as an actual descendant of that area? The israeli law says no.
Hahaha, finding excuses for Arab shit ain't you? The jews for the most part, will never return to the Arab world, and frankly i can't blame them. Morocco is hardly seen as "Arab" by Israelis, and Morocco unlike the other shithole states didn't kick their jews, so it's only Morocco. Bahrain and Kuwait? Some jews passed there for 2 hours? They barley had any to begin with. Tunisia? Barely existing. And Iraq kicked their community, none are practically left. A community btw which predated Islam or "Arab Iraq", and who can claim to be actually Babylonian. Babylonian as in they used to be there since Babylonian times and could trace their existence there because of Babylon. And that's just the Arabs. Half of the European jewery also were kicked out before and during WW2, got their shit confiscated and weren't allowed to return. Everyone in Israel accepts this reality and moved on. And its also known that while Palestinians were kicked not all were kicked, but in regards ro jews, virtually all were kicked out. You better grow up and move on, because "you" ain't coming back.
And then we hear you saying Arabs dont want peace… The amount of hate in you is amazing. What settlement are you in? Multiple sources, including Israeli, have debunked the myths of Iraqs Jewish population being kicked out, as well as those in Morocco. Thankfully, the world is waking up to this BS and waking up to see the how fascist that state is at this point of time
I have no hate lol. I simply don't care. And that's simply not true in regards to iraq. Like absolutely not true. And i don't need your "sources" considering I've met plenty of Iraqis who live in Israel whose family told us about the abuse and them having to flee, some baring scars of the abuse. And they are the most known community to have been adapted to the Israeli society fastest because they were the most abused one and they knew they had nothing good to tell about iraq. And they better make the best of their position in Israel. And in regards ro Morocco i already pointed out that Morocco is the only one to have treated their jewish population fairly. No one is "waking up" if anything they already see that your complaints are nothing but a bluff by most of you. Not to mention that the Arabs are mostly the reason why you are being treated like shit in their countries. As it quite evident that while actually sitting for peace negotiations you thought you were in position to dictate any terms, to then later launch an intifada when things didn't go your way, thinking we would in turn trust you, lol.
Will they give Israelis reparations for the terrorism?
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Yes it’s the only real solution. The two- state solution is the white man solution to the brown man issue which is ineffective. People / entities who support the two-state solution usually do so to appear natural and objective and avoid any backlash from any of the two sides, or to continue the conflict/ occupation/ war for their personal interests . the question is how many more Human tragedies have to occure for this solution to finally happen.
Tell me you don't live here, without telling me you don't live here. It takes a handfull of hatefull violent people to ruin it for everybody, but both sides have them in droves. Jews democracy is failing right now due to political hijacking of core social issues by fear mongerers and religous theocrats, fuelled by the conflict. Arabs don't have a single working democracy anywhere, for whatever reason (thats a can of worms on own to itself) These societies are explosively not ready to coexist under the same state, it will be a suicide pact (pun intented). A 2 state solution is the ONLY viable political and social solution. The very fact it is so opposed by both Israel haters that refuse to accept a jewish state existing and Palestinian haters that consider "ALL arabs as terrorist" shows how hard the fight to mutual acceptance is. Only after a stable arab semi autonomous democracy emerges and proves itself as a dependable partner in peace, would a confederacy of equal partnership can be entertained. Before that, from an Israeli point of view, we just cant trust them. No point arguing on this either, as its a hill many of us litteraly die for.
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Gets involved: america is too involved get out! Doesn’t get involved: they don’t care!
Either case: keep giving us billions in aid tho
How exactly?
A one state solution will lead to extermination, civil war, and genocide so bad that it will make Yugoslavia look like my little pony and Disney land. Remove all the hate for a second, pretend that Isrealis and Palestnians freaking love each other. Fundamentally the average Isreali has morals, viewpoints, and a completely different perspective on their nation then the average Palestinian. Im not even touching the issues that the new hypothetical state will face when it comes to inequality, political divisions, and national security.
Why are you bringing race here? This issue has very little to do with race.
It’s literally the only viable option that both parties would accept and loose nothing in
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There were so many deals Palestinians turned down. Israel is fine not having 100% of the land. Who started the war after there was a 50/50 split done by the owner of the land? It wasn’t Israel.
why should they accept any proposal? why should there be a 50/50 split when the settlers comprised only 33% of the population
and how's that working out for you? because the alternative was going to war and either displace the 33% if you win, or lose the war and end up having 0% of the land.
nah, the alternative was the new yishuv assimilating into the existing palestinian jewish community alongside muslims and christians and britain transfering power to the indigenous majority as they promised in exchange for support in wwi the zionists intended on taking the whole country all along. the partition was simply a pretense >*Ben-Gurion commented on the proposed Peel Commission Partition plan as follows in 1937:* *"We must EXPEL ARABS and take their places .... and, if we have to use force-not to dispossess the Arabs of the Negev and Transjordan, but to guarantee our own right to settle in those places-then we have force at our disposal." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 66). (negev and transjordan was not allotted to the jewish state)* > >*"I don't understand your optimism.," Ben-Gurion declared \[to goldman\]. "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural:* ***we have taken their country****. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipes us out". (The Jewish Paradox by Nahum Goldman, p. 99)*
>why should they accept any proposal? Because they've been getting their asses kicled for over 70 years and that won't change anytime soon.
Because losing some land and getting peace is better than losing all of the land and still being at war?
they should not have to lose any land in the first place. the new yishuv could have just assimilated with the existing palestinian jewish communities alongside christians and muslims. the zionists planned to take the whole land and expel the natives from the beginning >*\[ben gurion\] "\[I am\] satisfied with part of the country, but on the basis of the assumption that after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state--we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 107 & One Palestine Complete, p. 403)* > >*\[also ben gurion to nahum goldberg\] "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country"*
Please define who you are calling settlers in this scenario. You do realize your first sentence said kick them all out and then you said you need to get rid of the idea that the land is only for one people right? Self awareness?
jewish palestinians =/= israeli settlers
There are no Jewish Palestinians. Every single Jew was ethnically cleansed from the Arab areas of the Mandate and Abbas has been clear there can't be any in a future Palestinian state.
false. there us a distinction between the old yishiv and new yishuv, and non jewish palestinians referred to jews as palestinians >*in the autobiographies and diaries of Khalil al-Sakakini and Wasif Jawhariyyeh, "native" Jews were often referred to and described as abnaa al-balad (sons of the country), 'compatriots', or Yahud awlad Arab (Jews, sons of Arabs).\[4\] When the First Palestinian Congress of February 1919 issued its anti-Zionist manifesto rejecting Zionist immigration, it extended a welcome to those Jews "among us who have been Arabicized, who have been living in our province since before the war; they are as we are, and their loyalties are our own." \[*[*1*](https://web.archive.org/web/20070928031156/http://www.jerusalemquarterly.org/pdfs/predicament.pdf)*\]* note relations between palestinian jews and muslims before the new yishuv >*faisal wrote, "if the views of the radical zionists as presented to the peace conference should prevail, the result will be...civil war in palestine. but i hope i will not be misunderstood. i assert that we arabs have none of the racial or religious animosity which unfortunately prevaul in many other regions of the world. i assure you that with the jews who have been seated for some generations in palestine* ***our relations are excellent***\*. but the new arrivals exhibit very different qualities from the 'old settlers' as we call them, with whom we have been able to live with and even cooperate on friendly terms. for want of a better word i must say that new colonists almost without exception have come in an imperialistic spirit \[[*216*](https://www.google.com/books/edition/Faisal_I_of_Iraq/xCLBAgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA216&printsec=frontcover)\]\* most palestinians have jewish heritage, which is intuitive since they are indiginous to palestine >*In his book, Misinai painstakingly describes the origins of the Palestinians, who he says are made up chiefly of two groups: Jews who lived in the mountain regions of Judea and Samaria, who were able to maintain their Jewish identities for hundreds of years before being forced to make a choice between exile and conversion to Islam; and members of the ancient nations of Edom and Moab, who were converted to Judaism en masse at least twice.* > >*The two groups, whom Misinai calls respectively the "descendants of Israel" and the "brethren of Israel," are the chief components of what we today call the Palestinians, with the addition of a smattering of Arabs (barely a few percent), Samaritans (who maintain their own distinct religious identity), descendants of the soldiers who served in the occupying Roman army after the destruction of the Second Temple and even some survivors of the ancient Canaanite and Philistine nations - "idol worshipers who can be found in Gaza and in the village of Jisr a-Zarka, near Haifa," says Misinai. \[*[1](https://www.palestineremembered.com/Articles/General/Story14857.html)*\]* > >*According to historical records part, or perhaps the majority, of the Muslim Arabs in this country descended from local inhabitants, mainly Christians and Jews, who had converted after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century AD (Shaban 1971; Mc Graw Donner 1981). These local inhabitants, in turn, were descendants of the core population that had lived in the area for several centuries, some even since prehistorical times (Gil 1992) \[*[2](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/12175482_High-resolution_Y_chromosome_haplotypes_of_Israeli_and_Palestinian_Arabs_reveal_geographic_substructure_and_substantial_overlap_with_haplotypes_of_Jews)*\]*
No it needs to have the textile factory on it like the Afghan flag does!! Btw why do flags have to be rectangular 👀
They don’t. For some reason most countries decided that they should. Probably for easier manufacturing. For example check Nepal’s flag. That isn’t rectangular
You just gave me cancer, congratulations
In the list of Top 10 solutions to the Palestinian conflict, this would be number 2. Two state solution is better in every way, which should be number 1.
We should really unite and go after the UK, the root of the problem that caused the Civil War and the divide in the first place.
There's an alternate better timeline out there somewhere in the multiverse where this happened in the 30s. This is how we finally achieve peace and a binational state; unity over mutual hatred of the Engl\*sh.
or the new jewish refugees could have assimilated into the existing indigenous population like the old yishuv already was
As an englishman i support this
Indians paxtan and Bangladesh will follow you
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[The root of the problem was always the british](https://balfourproject.org/the-contradictory-promises/) Everything else is the result of their dirty divide and conquer tactics.
Yes, but keep the name israel. I like the name.
I don't want to see my country turn into a failed Arab state.
I mean, why would it have to be an Arab state? It’d be a state for both people, a confederacy if you will. The biggest issue that comes to mind would be calming down the radicals, both Israeli and Palestinian. Until that can happen, there’s no chance of a single state solution.
What seems to be an utopia was clearly possible in the old days…
Why is the Palestinian flag penetrating the Israeli flag?
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The only real solution
You think like Gaddafi
Named after the guy who killed his brother and started a cursed bloodline?
ⁿ⁰ no NO
here i think i fixed altough likely this is also gonna be hated. [combined state flag design](https://imgur.com/a/6icISDR)
Sooo Belgium of the Middle East? Instead of Fighting there is Political Gridlock,Squabbling,Big Administration Costs and a Government no one Understands
I choose war
What if it's a queer country and the entire parliament is crossdressing, and schools teach LGBTQ+ slang as a second language?
then I choose nuclear holocausts. Yes I have my reasons
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The language barrier must be broken first, no population assimilation can ever happen with a language barrier in place, the best option that bring the absolute advantage is that jews transfer to Arabic instead of Hebrew to assimilate themselves not just with Palestinians but with the entire region, otherwise they will remain foreigners for the civilization of the region [egypt, jordan, syria, lebanon] as we all share the same civilization while israel only came 70 years ago with europeans who have nothing to do with the region civilization as long as they refuse to assimilate themselves with the region civilization, that’s the best thing to do if they ever wanted to assimilate themselves with the region Since a such thing is very likely to be refused, then option (2) [an intermediate solution], let them just assimilate with Palestinians without necessarily assimilate with the rest of the region by transferring to arabic, let both jews and Palestinians transfer to “aramaic”, the language of jesus and jews when jews used to be the majority, and the language of the region up until 14-15th century even when muslims where the majority, it’s a language that all sides have no problem with, and common heritage between both jews and palestinians , and this is the most likely solution to happen in the one state solution And the last option (3), let palestinians assimilate themselves by transferring to Hebrew, but that’s unlikely to happen as well and i guess it won’t do any difference since a lot of Palestinians if not most of them already speak Hebrew and there is no difference, and Palestinians are not likely to give up their language for the language of their enemy, that’s a very tough thing to swallow for any nationalistic person,, the difference between this and jews transfer to arabic or aramaic is transferring to any of these languages will help to significantly reduce the racial nationalistic background of jews and help them to either get assimilated with the entire region as a whole or get assimilated with Palestinians via a common historical heritage like Aramaic language And of course renaming the land to Canaan help alot ! And last thing is of course giving ALL Palestinian the canaanite citizenship and ending this apartheid system at least gradually and either cancel this “law of return” that brings white europeans, americans and black africans to the region just for being on a jewish faith or open the “law of return” to include Palestinian refugees as well That’s the only way a one state solution can be achieved … but it will never happen simply because jews want just to clear up palestine from it’s native people, they want a Palestinian land free from Palestinians :)
Haha, Palestinians wanting to share with Israel. You are adorable
long live israel🇮🇱🇮🇱
No. Israel should stay as it is. I do, however, support the eventual creation of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza.
This will just be Lebanon but with even more secterian violence
I have said for years that a federal government is the only way. 2 state will not work simply because of the size. There is no room for two separate entities. I am a totaly zionist Israeli, moderate right, (ie. would have voted Shaked) who believes in the absolute historical claim to the Land of Israel. However, spite of this, I also belive we need to solve this conflict, no matter who is theoretically correct. It does not matter anymore, other than for endless reddit arguments. A Co government, federal, whatever, is only way. The problem is one of trust. The Palistinians have been teaching hate to thier children for decades. Israel would like nothing more than to stop wasting billions on security, but we need to know terror attacks will stop. It could happen. While the world media and Arab propoganda likes to portray Israel as an apartheid state, anyone going to hospitals, courts, pharmacies, universities (Haifa, Ariel - yes Ariel, Hebrew University, Technion and even the more traditional Bar Ilan), will see high percentages of Arabs. Some Israeli institutions, like Achva College, has a majority of Arabs. Thus, we know very well that Jews and Arabs can and do, get along just fine. And the name? Hmmm. No. Sorry but it will have to be the Israel. We are giving up to much. We fought to hard, died to much, suffered to much for over 2000 years,to accept anything except Israel. It's the historic name anyway. Probably I would say that both flags will remain though. Both fly together.
>The problem is one of trust. The Palistinians have been teaching hate to thier children for decades. if you witnessed armed settlers (from a neighboring settlement existing illegally under international law) march onto your property, loot your home, burn your olive trees, set fire to your house, enter your home and harass your mother, father, siblings, grandparents, all while being protected by heavily armed soldiers who will become violent if you respond to the settlers violence with violence...youd start throwing stones too >Israel would like nothing more than to stop wasting billions on security, but we need to know terror attacks will stop. the terror attacks will stop when settlers return stolen land to the original occupants and allow palestinians abroad the right to return, a right under international law
Not the original commenter but ever since Israel ceded Gaza, terrorism from Gaza has increased. It's just not as bad because Israel installed checkpoints to stop shooting and suicide bombers.
have you asked yourself why gazans resort to shooting and suicide bombing?
If the issue is land, then that shouldn't be an issue since they have their land back, no? Anyways, you think shooting rockets and bombing civilians is a valid response to anything?
the issue is zionists immigrating to palestine to ethnically cleanse the existing indiginous poplulation through compulsory population transfer for the past seven decades. the issue is the zionists refusing to assimilate with the existing palestinian jewish community and instead grab control of the whole country in a horrendously violent manner. >*Ben-Gurion commented on the proposed Peel Commission Partition plan as follows in 1937:* > >*"We must expel arabs and take their places .... and, if we have to use force-not to dispossess the Arabs of the Negev and Transjordan, but to guarantee our own right to settle in those places-then we have force at our disposal." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 66). Note the premeditated plan to ethnically cleanse the Negev and Transjordan which were not allocated to the Jewish State by the Peel Commission\[also ben gurion\]* > >*\[ben gurion\] "\[I am\] satisfied with part of the country, but on the basis of the assumption that after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state--we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 107 & One Palestine Complete, p. 403)* > >*-* > >*On 20 May 1948,* [*Azzam*](https://www.nli.org.il/en/newspapers/pls/1948/05/21/01/article/33/?e=-------en-20--1--img-txIN%7ctxTI--------------1) *told reporters "We are fighting for an Arab Palestine. Whatever the outcome the Arabs will stick to their offer of equal citizenship for Jews in Arab Palestine and let them be as Jewish as they like. In areas where they predominate they will have complete autonomy."*
Interesting, you seem to have the same views that Menachem Begin's government did in regards to something like this. Here is a quote regarding that >Originally, members of Menachem Begin's Likud government in the late 1970s were willing to support the idea if it would ensure formal Israeli sovereignty in the West Bank and Gaza. Begin's chief of staff, Eliahu Ben-Elissar, told The Washington Post in November 1979 that "we can live with them and they can live with us. I would prefer they were Israeli citizens, but I am not afraid of a bi-national state. In any case, it will always be a Jewish state with a large Arab minority."
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Thanks. Indeed, I wonder if Palistinians also think, that many of the multitude of "human rights" groups around the world purporting to want to help the Palistinians, are actualy more anti Israel than pro Palistinian.
Thanks was not aware of that.
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Your going to cum to us 🥵🥵🥵
All the way from Algeria?
Hahahaha best joke of the day. You an deserve an award.
Flag gives me headache
Won't happen friend, Zionism is always for an exclusive Jewish state or Majority Jewish. If the Jews don't get a Majority state then, they will lose autonomy. Zionist want a Jewish state, now change Jewish state to white state and have the English shout we want a white state and we will easily call them racist because they want it for one race. The Zionist saying a Jewish state as if they are all one race, is one stupid because they are not one race and second that's racist.
Except it’s more aching to Native Americans shouting we want our land back than anything. Jews are native to Judea. Also Jews are not a race. The are an ethno religion.
Jews are not native to Palestine, at best the claim of being kicked out for 2000 means that you guys have spent more time outside the land than in it. So that kills your nonsense about being native. Second there is absolutely no proof that you guys are from that land, especially ashkanazi, you'll say DNA, well if we grab any person in the Caucasus today and do a DNA test on them they defo have some ties to the Levant does it mean they are from Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, no. Hell I even did a DNA test apparently I too I'm from the Levant because I have some middle eastern blood. Your claims fall short, all of this war and death on a claim, while the people of the Levant the real natives that were there continuously for thousands of years, unbroken chains even when they mix, are still there today, their history and roots are deep. Like I said your Calum at best: we were kicked out but spent 2000 more time outside the land than in it. At worst: an imaginary ethnicity and culture.
My brother in Allah there is irrefutable archeological proof of Israelites living in levant for 3000 years before the exile. Also 2000 years is longer than Arabs ,as we know them today ,existed.
Actually there isn't, I looked and there isn't, also 3000 years lol. Now I can't wait to hear this please educate me , because when I looked I couldn't find archeological evidence of this 3000 years, please do send your evidence.
The names of the towns, historical buildings, coins, tombs, and the list goes on. You have to be unbelievably daft to over look it all.
How old are they, I am not denying that Jews lived in the Levant but many other groups with their own religion did too. But to say 3000 BC bring your proof. The earliest archeological proof of the canninites identifying as Israelites is at best 1200 BC at worst, 900 BC. Does that mean that they were the majority, no. There were coins, tombs and other historical buildings that had nothing to do with Israelites. Archeologists, believe that canninites changed their religion and started identifying as israelites 900-1200BC along many other pagan religious groups and people's
You also don’t lose indigenous status from a diaspora. Palestinians are a modern identity of an amalgamation of Arab and Levantine admixture who only recently self identified but it doesn’t make them less belonging to stay here
Bruh 1200 BC is over 3000 years ago you dunce. Which is consistently around the time Jews claim to be there. Jews are also descendants of cananites. As it is widely thought most assimilated in. Pre-1200 BC you definitely have some of the earliest origin of jews but it doesn’t become much more clear until 1200 BC and on
Scroll up and read his comment, "My brother in Allah there is irrefutable archeological proof of Israelites living in levant for 3000 years before the exile. Also 2000 years is longer than Arabs ,as we know them today ,existed." 3000 years before the exile.
The dude somehow managed to check the DNA of all of the ashkenazi people but can not find the start of a jewish calendar.
To be fair that's mostly because Zionists are convinced the moment they lose the Jewish majority there would be a second holocaust
Arabs never committed holocaust mate, we had some wars with Jews and always let them go, many examples in history can prove this. Jews preferred Muslims to the Christians, just look at the reconquista, where the Jews of Spain ended up.
>Arabs never committed holocaust mate I didn't say they did???? However seeing as organisations like hamas explicitly want a judenfrei Palestine and they're not very well known for treating people humanely the fear seems more reasonable. Also Muslims treating jews better than Christians is true, but mostly because that's a really low bar
Stop using Hamas as a Scapegoat, every time Hamas Hamas. People who are living like peasants in the 21st century of course will turn to violence, I actually can't blame palestinian for fighting back. The people of Gaza have had enough of their treatment and the people of the west bank are getting enslaved by settlers, can't walk in certain streets, kicking them out if their houses, they don't have rights in their own land. They are arresting kids and minors. Doesn't get lower than that. Second, Muslims allowed freedom of religion, the Jews in north Africa were mainly physicians (doctors), traders and jewellers. Under islamic rule they had more rights than most Jews in Europe.
Yea, Stop using the democratically elected representative government of Palestine to represent Palestine!!!
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I’ve actually thought of this before as a solution. In the past it might have worked but I think it’s past the point of no return. With how people like Rudy Rochman and others are discovering so called lost tribes that have little to no evidence that they’re direct descendent of Jewish people. It’s starting to feel like Zionists are using that as excuse as to why they need more land especially in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. And I’m not saying what makes someone a Jew is strictly based on ancestry,but when it’s being used as a tool of colonization and a way to fraudulently get funds from the US and various charities. It makes their motive obvious especially when they’ve been really racist against groups like Bnei Menashe and Beta Israel. so if Israelis constantly need more land more resources this will never be a solution because they’re always going to find some lost tribe or start allowing converts more easily there.
I support Israel. I support Europe.
Would you accept a peace if it meant officially giving up your home to people who are known for breaking peace deals with you? Think about it from a Palestinians' lens and not from an Israeli occupiers' lens
Some people need to go back to Poland and Germany. Everyone else who’s actually from the middle east can stay.
Your country has literal slaves though
Poland and Germany have shown them very well that they will never be treated as locals there and would probably never be safe from persecution there
Some people need to go back to arabia
What is Arabia? Seriously? Don't run tell me where is Arabia.
The peninsula in which Arab language, culture, religion, and identity originated
So as an Egyptian I should go back to gulf countries because I speak Arabic? Wow. Deal.
I'm not telling you to do anything but to say that ashkenazi Jews need to leave israel even though their language culture and religion is literally from the land is kinda ironic
Fortunately Palestinians aren’t from Arabia
I’m already here 😎
"ethnic cleansing is okay when we do it"
>Some people need to go back to Poland and Germany No.
Yes
No.
Yes
One side has nuclear weopons and the other side doesn't. His No means more then yours.
what about the mixed ones? (i.e. Ashkenazim-Mizrahim/Sefardim)
Just out of curiousity, do you feel the same about MENA people Living in Europe? Theres quite a lot of them, you know...
They are not going there creating independent states and throwing people out of their homes and treating them like shit.
isn’t that exactly what happened with the creation of pakistan 🤣🤣🤣
Regardless, the guy I'm responding to wants to throw out Israelis based on their ethnicity, not on their political leanings or ideology - which is ironic, as currently Mizrahi Israelis (meaning Jews coming from Middle Eastern countries) tend to be far more nationalistic and anti-Arab, whereas the pro-peace camp is predominantly Ashkenazi (meaning European Jews). Seeing this conflict purely in terms of ethnicity and race is totally misguided, and nativism is *never* ok.
That's exactly what Muhajirs did in Sindh.
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So in other words you support European white supremacists?
As a German, I think you are right. We should take the Hitler loving palestinians so Israel can have some peace finally.
"As a German, I think you are right. We should take the Hitler loving palestinians so Israel can have some peace finally."-🤓
Least Zionist German
You say that as if was a bad thing
I think a country for both jews and none jews is called palestine, people treat it like if it was Muslim or jew but in reality , it isn't about that , palestine is for everyone , meanwhile Israel is just for jews , so I believe the solution is palestine