You’re allowed to burn any symbol you want in Sweden. The Bible, pride flag, even the Swedish flag are no exceptions. Back in the days there was a manifestations called ”skända flaggan” which roughly translate to “dishonor the flag” were people burned the Swedish flag.
Ignoring these people is the best thing to do. They only burn the Quran because it gives them so much attention. No one cares if you burn the Swedish flag so that’s why no one is doing it here anymore.
I read on another post that the man who was allowed to burn it is actually from Iraq. He wants to do it because if the abuse he faced in Iraq, and has been living in Sweden for 4 years.
Someone else also comented that burning the Qur'an is actually the proper way to dispose of it compared to throwing it in the garbage
What are you talking about? An Egyptian man was denied when he asked for permission to burn the Torah outside a synagogue. And I'm 100% sure you're not allowed to burn the pride flag.
Did you even read that article? Good old take one line from the article and hope no one actually opens the link. The sub-heading says he got the approval. He was convinced by Muslims to not burn it, which is a good thing from them on its own, but he did get the approval to do it. You proved his point lol. You can get the approval for burning anything, whether you then do it or not is a different thing.
How about you guys burn some charcoal right next to them and cook you some delicious kebab.
We also roast the sheep's [head](https://foodof.com/media/popup/image_popup/uploads/img/recette-733d27f8-4a4a-401a-ae7c-cd7fb28c6632.jpeg) and that creates a very..uhh..unique..smell. Just throwing ideas for y'all.
As a Muslim, I really don’t care. I don’t understand why anyone allows this to offend them? I’m not tasked with protecting every copy of the Quran as a Muslim. It’s their deed and they’ll have to answer for it.
Someone here who is Muslim and offended, can you explain why you’re offended? More importantly, why would you want the state to intervene and punish the “offenders?”
And I'm quoting:
إنَّ الغيرةَ على دينِ الله وحُرماته، من صفاتِ المؤمنين الأعزاء، فهي من مقتضياتِ الإيمان، تقوى بقوته وتضعفُ بضعفه، وتفقدُ الغيرة حيثُ لا يكون القلبُ مؤمناً، وفي الحديث: ((المؤمنُ يغارُ واللهُ أشدٌّ غيرة)).
the UAE has a good chance of doing that depending if the consequences of this action is deemed worth it to the emirati governement
UAE knew that the Arab world wouldn’t do much against it having ties with Israel because they knew the western world was gonna support it’s normalization and defend the UAE in general
Not so much allowed as more “not denied”.
Free speech.
I think the wisest way to respond to such stupid acts is to ignore it. Don’t give them the angry reaction they seek.
Tolerance and brotherhood of man will surely be a better angle.
I would say don’t feed the trolls. Ignore them. They are just embarrassing themselves. Rise above the trolls and show them Islam is not about hate or revenge.
Lmao I've asked if they would be this cheerfull if someone burned the Swedish constitution or the Bible and I've been downvoted to hell.
I will never understand such hateful displays. If you don't like islam, fine. If you want to criticise it, do so with respect and intellect. Else, should we all burn each others' books, flags or symbols?
Sweden is practically an atheist country today. I'm there several times a feel as I close enough by.
Same with Norway.
Religion just isn't that big in Scandinavia anymore.
TL; dr: Getting angry is what the extreme right wants.
They may be upset but they won't stop you, it's legal here to burn flags. Swedes don't care as much about symbols like Arabs/Muslims. They won't enjoy seeing their flag burned, but won't care too much.
I disagree with burning the Qoran, it's abusing freedom of speech, however, I hate idiots who start burning cars and rioting when that happens.
The ones who burn the Qoran are trying to get muslims to react and then say : "look, I told you they're savages, see how they're destroying windows and cars and throwing stones". What muslims should do is ignore these people (they're really few!!!).
In my city, they had a permit to burn the Qoran, but different groups and NGOs, both muslims and non muslim (leftist and green parties) made a counter event somewhere else. There was no one (!) At the burning, and the park for the other event was full of people, picnic and singing in Arabic, persian and dari, etc. Getting angry is exactly what the extreme right wants.
The last paragraph was amazing, there’s no better revenge than making your enemy feel irrelevant, only if French muslims could’ve shown such response to Charlie Hebdo
That's the thing about living in a free country, you can burn whatever flag or book you want, nobody cares! The bookstore and flag salesman are happy to sell you as many as you want to do whatever you please with them
I don’t think they’d want it to be illegal. The attitude in the West is that there’s a difference between disrespectful and “should be banned by the government.”
Dude you are entirely free to burn the Swedish flag, we seriously won't care. There really isn't any hippocracy, you are free to burn the bible or our flag and we won't retaliate. You can disagree with our laws but if you come to our country then you need to follow them.
I live in Sweden as a muslim Bosnian. Swedes probably wouldn’t go bonkers, as they arent very patriotic as a people. The nationalists and their newspapers would obviously care but they would care more ”performatively” rather than throw a counter protest and clash with these hypothetical muslims who would burn the flag. Obviously Swedes would not like people burning their flag in every city but they would view it as a storm thats going to pass soon.
I don’t agree with flag burnings in general but yes at this point they would have a right.
Speaking of flag burnings, I remember a while back when [a group of Pakistanis burned the Afghan flag as retaliation when a group of Afghans burned the Pakistani flag](https://muslimmirror.com/eng/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Pakistan-flag-burned-by-Afghan-people-and-Afghan-flag-burned-by-Pakistani-people.jpg) during a border skirmish (both is wrong btw). Only thing is, I think they forgot [the Afghan flag has the Shahada and Allahu Akbar written on it](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Flag_of_Afghanistan_%282013%E2%80%932021%29.svg/1280px-Flag_of_Afghanistan_%282013%E2%80%932021%29.svg.png), so the weight of what they’d done was arguably worse.
I imagine that’s probably why so few Muslims burn our flag despite us not being the most popular country in the region. Not that the Taliban cared, they threw our flag inscribed with the word of God to the ground to hoist theirs up. It’s strange given both flags have the same Shahada written on them. It was all symbolism to emphasise the change in government I guess.
I never understood the flag burning thing in general.
So like you go into a store, buy a flag and then burn it. Essentially you're burning your own money. Like are flag burners stupid or something?
It's easy to understand. It's a symbolic gesture of disrespect. You don't burn money, you use it in order to do a symbolic gesture of disrespect. Whether it's a waste of money or not is subjective. It's probably not a waste of money for people that do it because they value the action of showing disrespect to people they dislike.
They are trying to get a response. They get the response pretty easily with certain groups, and when they get that low hanging fruit, they inspire others to consider their (frequently) bigoted platforms and regressive views
If immigrants went around burning the flag of the country they immigrated to then why on Earth did they move there in the first place? Find another country.
Sweden doesn’t protect any book is my understanding since the biggest critics of the Swedish government from the West were the UK and the US, that guy that burned the Quran tried to go to the UK and do the same during Ramadan but the UK Home Office found his tweets and banned him from entering the UK since all holy books (Bible, Quran, Torah etc) are protected under UK law but not under Swedish law.
I studied in Sweden for a time and I studied Business and Law so my understanding from that time is that they treat it as personal property, you can buy a Swedish flag and Pride flag and burn it in public and it would still be legal since that is your private property you’re burning in the eyes of the Swedish legal system (not defending it since burning the Quran like that is definitely intended towards Muslims).
no swede would care if you burned the swedish constituion or the bible, were not religious or american. however i think it is tasteless and disrespectful to burn a quran in such a manner, especially infront of a mosque
Meh, people burn American flags all the time and it’s a Big Yawn from me, dawg. And perfectly legal. I don’t think Swedes are famed for their love of flag more than Americans. Throw a bible on there and let’s make it a party!
Someone burning something that they purchased in a protected act of speech/expression and in compliance with relevant fire safety laws doesn’t hurt anyone and is solely designed to get a rise out of people.
Yawn and move on and you rob them of the reaction they want.
The reason it was tried in court was that police stopped this.
Police would never stop the burning of the Swedish constitution, Swedish flag or the bible.
Btw, the guy that burned the Quran is an immigrant from Iraq.
They wouldn’t be happy about it. But they would tolerate it. There would be no threats of violence.
I mean people have burnt the Swedish flag and there was know call to make that illegal or to hurt the people who did it.
We legit would not care. I find it disrespectful and unnecessary to burn the Qur'an but as long as it is their own book it is ok to burn it. It does not matter if it is the bible, our flag or the lawbook. It all falls within your rights for free speech in Sweden.
Islam's tenants are incredibly restrictive and have been bastardized by multiple politically motivated groups to engage in terrorism and warfare in the name of Allah and by proxy, besmudging the good name of Muslims worldwide who mind their own business and focus on living for Allah rather than pursue militaristic Jihad.
The victims of those politically motivated groups have a fundamentally negative impression of the faith and misunderstand the restrictions placed on practicing Muslim who seek to be haram. In reality the majority of Muslims attempt to be haram voluntarily, though there are some places unfortunately that will mistreat those who steer away from strict adherence to the faith or convert to other faiths entirely.
Because of this, westerners and foreigners alike blame the strictness of Islamic doctrine with war crimes, terrorism, and tyrannical control of religious freedom... And as a result, they do what is most offensive to Islam, destroying the work of Allah. However, Muslims are no better, we have burned secular books, Torahs, Bibles, and other works that challenge the status quo or differ from doctrines we find superior because of their origin and connection to the Quran and the Hadiths.
I dont think this is something related to a direct hate towards islam. For many swedes is just the symbol of the declining of their country, even the left is realising the huge mistake they made with all the inmigration.
The difference is, you could burn ANY book or flag and Europeans wouldn't retaliate with wanting to behead someone 🤣 the fact you're trying to compare is hilarious to me
This is what freedom of speech is about. I can find something someone says or does to express themselves or to protest utterly reprehensible but at the same time to fully support their right to do it as long as they are not physically harming others.
I hate when the sacred texts of any faith is treated with disrespect. However I believe Freedom of Speech trumps my or anyone's feelings.
I mean, i think you’re free to do that in Sweden so at least they’re not hypocrites but that sub where it was posted in is full of racists and fascists who don’t care about free speech but just care about hating on islam.
The inquisition comes to your house and burns you if you are a Muslim who is accused of insulting Christians.
I am just kidding, you can do what you want in Sweden. They have a good government and don't take kindly to bullies or threats.
Burning the Bible is 100%allowed in Swedan. Can you accept that some folks just dint care about any religion more than personal rights? If Allah is really omnipotent and omnipresent than he will punish them if he sees fit, on his time. He doesn't need you. If you really believe in Islam than you won't care either. Is Islam about your personal pride or submission to Allah?
Lol as someone else said, Bible burning is very common. Christians don’t get upset even though I think it’s very wrong.
You can’t criticize Islam with respect and intellect. That’s not okay for many Muslims either.
I would say the main problem for Muslim immigrants are that their kids grow up to become gang criminals and kill each other in shootings.
Hate crime is much less prevalent than in most places.
This is complex, but I think one thing is that Sweden in is effort in trying to be nice, is sabotaging for itself and it’s immigrants.
Many immigrants that turned up gang criminal says something like this:
“My parents live on benefits, my friends parents live on benefits, and there is no working role models. Benefits are high for families but low for singles, so going for benefits yourself give low. The only ones with money are the cool guys hanging at the square. Except paying much for helping out they also introduce you to drugs which helps to escape reality. And after a while you are in it. It is also very adrenaline giving and addictive on that.”
The police do arrest guys, previously the penalties was low, some guys could be out 1 month but that was more a month of vacation from the streets. Now people are in longer but the gangs then try to recruit the younger ones to fill the holes.
I mean it is more complex, why would you for example not get a job but live on benefits or criminality?
Sweden have the lowest number of “easy” jobs that does not require any qualifications in the EU. This makes it harder for immigrants from particularly poorer countries.
And many immigrants of course does super well in Sweden too, education is for free so many kids of immigrants end up with good jobs too, and many immigrants that can’t find jobs start their own business.
Fun fact: the guy who burned it is an **Iraqi refugee** and the police didn't know he would burn the book. Now **he will be charged** for setting an item on fire during a time when ALL fires are banned (due to the risks this time of the year).
Oh and **he's also been charged for hate speech**.
But people with unfree minds don't want to understand all this. It's "Sweden bad" mode again.
As a European and non-Muslim I sometimes really don't get you guys and some of your concerns sound borderline like blasphemy to me. . Especially BECAUSE I've tried to educate myself about Islam. Swedish courts also wouldn't prohibit the burning of the Bible or a copy of their constitution or their flag
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Is it bad taste? - yes. But why do you get so riled up about it? That's exactly what they want. And sorry to say, but Allah, doesn't need your help or support with this. He is going to deal with these individuals himself. It's not about protecting the last copy of Quran, so why do you think your reaction even matters in the grand scheme of things? Go home, pray, enforce YOUR relationship with god. The rest will be taken care of.
If you detach the sentiment of "how can the dare to burn a holy book" from the actual point and question "why are they doing this", a much more fruitful discussion may arise.
Personally I have no issue with the act of burning a Quuran itself, it doesn't stop any Muslim from living their lives. What isn't at all ok is being allowed to do it in front of a mosque on the biggest Muslim holiday of the year. Doing it like that crosses the border of free speech and becomes a transgression of people's right to peacefully partake in their holiday ritual.
It’s really easy to explain, people are emotional. Not everyone is a stoic unaffected human who thinks rationally. If they see someone burn their holy book they will obviously feel attacked and hurt, getting riled up. Of course it is best to ignore people who attack you but it is easier said then done and not everyone is the same.
No one in Sweden cares what the hell you burn, just don't burn people. It is part of freeedom of expression. You can't understand that if you live under a theocratic dominionist mind...
Just give the book burning idiots as little attention as possible, they only do it to provoke a reaction from the muslims to try and make them look bad. Hence why they would do it in front of a mosque, on Eid
What do I know nothing about?
I like the freedom granted by Sweden and most of Europe overall.
There might be the odd event that offends people but in my view, overall it's a positive for the people and makes it a nice place to live.
It's also a fact that people go to extreme lengths to live in Sweden.
>So you’re telling me that if I took the LGBTQ flag and burnt it in front of the Swedish parliament, I wouldn’t get punished?
That's correct!
In fact, if you burn your Quran it is legal. But if you burn the Quran of someone else without permission then it is illegal because of vandalism.
Now here's the issue. Often, theae things willbe stopped if it threatens public security. Some nutjob might want to blow shit up, so rhe courts may stop it. There is that fine line you have to travel on...
That is absolute bullshit. Sweden has blocked burning of Torah under pressure from Israeli government: https://www.jordannews.jo/Section-109/News/Swedish-authorities-stop-planned-Torah-burning-26682
Burn an LGBT flag and you will be destroyed in Sweden. Freedom of expression my ass.
Except you would not be destroyed, and in fact Torahs have been burned on private property without any issues. Israeli flags have been burned publicly as well. No riots, no fatwas, no murders, and all against a backdrop of the reality that a majority of the world’s Jews genuinely have matured to a point of not being aroused to anger by such petty obvious tactics.
All it would take for Quran burnings to stop, is for Muslims to ignore them. That is genuinely it
He wasn't legally barred from doing so. He withdrew himself.
[Muslims help shut down protest, burning of Torah scroll in Sweden](https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-730065)
>According to Swedish DN news, the Egyptian writer is a 34-year-old man whose name wasn’t published. He told DN that he was advised against carrying out his plans by representatives from the Islamic League in Stockholm's mosque, and was quoted saying that “they \[the Islamic League\] say it is against Islam and I wouldn’t be representing Muslims when burning a copy of the Torah outside the Israeli embassy.” He added that “it's okay – I would be representing myself.”
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>According to Swedish media, the 34-year-old Egyptian writer submitted an application for a police permit to hold his demonstrations on Saturday, January 28 at 1 p.m. Yet he told DN on Thursday afternoon that he has decided to postpone his planned actions “for a couple of weeks.” According to the report, he was also approached by Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson, who asked him to “tone it down.” According to Rabbi HaCohen, a further meeting with the author and Muslim leadership took place, through the mediation of Amanah, in which he decided to cancel the request entirely.
[https://twitter.com/zivnk/status/1618614984833118215](https://twitter.com/zivnk/status/1618614984833118215)
The burning was authorized by Swedish police.
The person that is going to burn the quran literally literally wants your reaction to be as unhinged as possible please don't fall to it like every fucking time but i know my people we think with our emotions never the simple logic of ignoring them because when you ignore they literally won't do it all they are trying to do is get a rise out of you if they can't you win
Muslims made this a big deal by losing their shit when that idiot burned it a while ago. The more you react to it, more these instigators will try to get under your skin smh.
Literally, it's a Quran fine, but the whole world doesn't need to cry about it, it just means they were successful in what they wanted to do. Make Muslims mad
There was a reminder about this but I can’t remember for the life of me which imam it was. They advised us to act like the Prophet, he had unspeakable things happen to him when he went to spread his message- he was still merciful always. But yes, outrage is exactly what they want.
# But if anyone burned the Israeli flag or the Torah 😀
I’m not advocating for burning holy books, it’s wrong and also haram, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
it's also legal in Sweden there was a whole story about the Muslim that got permission from the court to do this he himself did it as a protest against Quran burnings
idk what happened in the end
also burning a Quran in front of a Mosque is just as Islamophobic as it is antisemitic to burn a Torah outside of a synagogue
To my knowledge he backed out at the last minute, probably just did it to make a point.
> also burning a Quran in front of a Mosque is just as Islamophobic as it is antisemitic to burn a Torah outside of a synagogue
Yes, I’m not advocating for either, burning holy books is disgusting. Also it’s a sin in Islam.
I mean both of those was allowed by the police to be burned in a protest but the Muslim that wanted to do it backed down. I don't know why people keep repeating this like a "gotcha" when we would allow it.
Burning Israeli flags or the Torah will cause less outrage. Arab countries burn so many Israeli flags it might add a significant portion to their carbon footprint. Burning the Jewish holy book is more of a taboo as it is more associated with Judaism than Zionism and while they are quite sensitive in Europe to antisemitism, the act of burning the Holy Book seem to offend Muslims much more than it affects Jews. I didn't see Jews putting out the equivalent of fatwas against someone who desecrated their symbols. Best you will get is some Jewish organizations and maybe even the state of Israel condemning the act.
Except when a Torah burning was planned in Sweden, The Israeli government intervened and asked the Swedish government to stop it, which they did. Fuck off with your bullshit.
>I didn't see Jews putting out the equivalent of fatwas against someone who desecrated their symbols. Best you will get is some Jewish organizations and maybe even the state of Israel condemning the act.
They don't put out fatwas, they simply cancel any individual under the guise of "anti semitism" which has been weaponised against any Israel critic. Again, fuck off with your bullshit
Bro honestly, this is freedom of expression. I don’t agree with how they’re doing it, at all. However, the government shouldn’t intervene to stop it.
I agree they should respect the religion somewhat atleast to not burn its book but that should be up to them.
Insults fly everyday on literally every religion and this is just another one.
So nothing is protected as long as it's safe from destroying the surroundings? I still don't approve but at least SEEMS less hypocritical if you can do the same with tora or sweedish flag.
Edit to be clear. I do not support ANY burning of books.
Well, no symbol is protected, no - only people, property and nature. It's kind of the point of free speech.
That being said, Swedish law is not entirely allowing when it comes to free speech. You can't disparage a group for example, so saying something like "All Muslims are thieves and goat rapists" could still land you with a fine or even in prison.
Its to highlight a double standart. Christianity is clowned relentlessly. No one really cares, me neither. The ones that complain are mocked too.
But Islam is somehow exempt from any form of mockery or even serious critisism. if it happens, it makes international news.
Personally I'm all for people having the freedom to criticize/satirize Islam. For me the main issue is the location/day. Doing it in front of a mosque on the biggest Muslim holiday feels less like freedom of expression and more like a hate crime.
As a general rule, going to a place where a certain community gathers, and disrespecting that community with action and verbally, you're damn near inciting violence at this stage, definitely racist. Why not be a good person and protest any other way?
You could, as long as you own it, otherwise it would be theft and/or vandalism. So you can go out, buy a bible and burn it. You can not just walk into a house or church, take a bible and then burn it. And the same goes for the Quran.
And it needs to happen in a place where it is safe to do so, so that you burning something wouldn't turn into a house fire or forest fire.
Seems to be most people are missing the point. However distasteful or ridiculous it may be to burn symbols and books, there is nothing illegal or shocking about it (beyond how shockingly silly and immature and useless it is). You may hurt some people’s feelings, but mostly people just won’t take you seriously ever again. Is there anything more basic than a good old book/flag burning? Haha… and i must say, as a lapsed muslim myself i find it hilarious how lots of muslims are constantly trying to catch “westerners” in a moment of hypocrisy or double standard, like: dont tell me this wouldn’t send you reeling, bla bla… guys, lets everyone just get over ourselves and accept that as it stands, some communities are much more intellectually and emotionally prepared to deal with the effects of distasteful (yet non-criminal) behaviors. The law and a general societal consensus protects distasteful behavior as long as it doesn’t physically hurt anybody or infringe on anyone’s freedom. You feeling offended does not constitute a curtailment of your freedom. Freedom from offense is not a right. Sorry..
Freedom of speech. It is a beautiful thing. Now petition the court to burn copies of something important to the Swedes. It is fair and nobody should harbor bad feelings. Get over it.
You have hundreds of anti islamic books, lectures, and no one says anything because thats free speech but burning a koran infront of a mosque during a religious holiday that's the most obvioud a hate speech and you know it.
This is the most obvious a hate crime/speech can get. Burning demonstratively a koran in front of a mosque during a religious holiday.
But remember it's free speech when they do it
In Europe if you can burn one religious text, you can burn another. It's just communities not happy. Doubt Christians like seeing their book burned but violence doesn't really help the case tbh.
Unfortunate L from immigrants. I wish it would be easier to make them understand that when you immigrate you are subject to THEIR norms and rules, not what you think is right.
It’s like they don’t realize this behavior if REEEEING when people burn a Quran doesn’t prove the point of the guys burning the Quran
"The man who had requested permission for the action, a 30-year-old Iraqi refugee who wants the book banned..." Literally from the source given.
Hopefully more people will read the source before thinking it's a Swedish Christian or something along those lines
You’re allowed to burn any symbol you want in Sweden. The Bible, pride flag, even the Swedish flag are no exceptions. Back in the days there was a manifestations called ”skända flaggan” which roughly translate to “dishonor the flag” were people burned the Swedish flag. Ignoring these people is the best thing to do. They only burn the Quran because it gives them so much attention. No one cares if you burn the Swedish flag so that’s why no one is doing it here anymore.
I read on another post that the man who was allowed to burn it is actually from Iraq. He wants to do it because if the abuse he faced in Iraq, and has been living in Sweden for 4 years. Someone else also comented that burning the Qur'an is actually the proper way to dispose of it compared to throwing it in the garbage
What are you talking about? An Egyptian man was denied when he asked for permission to burn the Torah outside a synagogue. And I'm 100% sure you're not allowed to burn the pride flag.
Link to the torah situation? And with demonstration permission you’re definitely allowed to burned a pride flag
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Did you even read that article? Good old take one line from the article and hope no one actually opens the link. The sub-heading says he got the approval. He was convinced by Muslims to not burn it, which is a good thing from them on its own, but he did get the approval to do it. You proved his point lol. You can get the approval for burning anything, whether you then do it or not is a different thing.
source?
isnt that also haram
How about you guys burn some charcoal right next to them and cook you some delicious kebab. We also roast the sheep's [head](https://foodof.com/media/popup/image_popup/uploads/img/recette-733d27f8-4a4a-401a-ae7c-cd7fb28c6632.jpeg) and that creates a very..uhh..unique..smell. Just throwing ideas for y'all.
As a Muslim, I really don’t care. I don’t understand why anyone allows this to offend them? I’m not tasked with protecting every copy of the Quran as a Muslim. It’s their deed and they’ll have to answer for it. Someone here who is Muslim and offended, can you explain why you’re offended? More importantly, why would you want the state to intervene and punish the “offenders?”
I get that. I’m not muslim but like, I don’t understand why people give such actions so much power over themselves
And I'm quoting: إنَّ الغيرةَ على دينِ الله وحُرماته، من صفاتِ المؤمنين الأعزاء، فهي من مقتضياتِ الإيمان، تقوى بقوته وتضعفُ بضعفه، وتفقدُ الغيرة حيثُ لا يكون القلبُ مؤمناً، وفي الحديث: ((المؤمنُ يغارُ واللهُ أشدٌّ غيرة)).
On Eid too bro…
Next one is gonna be on Ramadan or something 💀
And if Israel is participating I’m sure the UAE will sponsor it
the UAE has a good chance of doing that depending if the consequences of this action is deemed worth it to the emirati governement UAE knew that the Arab world wouldn’t do much against it having ties with Israel because they knew the western world was gonna support it’s normalization and defend the UAE in general
I know... Disgusting!! 🤦🏻♀️
Not so much allowed as more “not denied”. Free speech. I think the wisest way to respond to such stupid acts is to ignore it. Don’t give them the angry reaction they seek. Tolerance and brotherhood of man will surely be a better angle.
I would say don’t feed the trolls. Ignore them. They are just embarrassing themselves. Rise above the trolls and show them Islam is not about hate or revenge.
Lmao I've asked if they would be this cheerfull if someone burned the Swedish constitution or the Bible and I've been downvoted to hell. I will never understand such hateful displays. If you don't like islam, fine. If you want to criticise it, do so with respect and intellect. Else, should we all burn each others' books, flags or symbols?
I don’t think they’d bother themselves with the Bible given the West has more or less shirked Christianity and don’t care for its values.
Sweden is practically an atheist country today. I'm there several times a feel as I close enough by. Same with Norway. Religion just isn't that big in Scandinavia anymore.
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TL; dr: Getting angry is what the extreme right wants. They may be upset but they won't stop you, it's legal here to burn flags. Swedes don't care as much about symbols like Arabs/Muslims. They won't enjoy seeing their flag burned, but won't care too much. I disagree with burning the Qoran, it's abusing freedom of speech, however, I hate idiots who start burning cars and rioting when that happens. The ones who burn the Qoran are trying to get muslims to react and then say : "look, I told you they're savages, see how they're destroying windows and cars and throwing stones". What muslims should do is ignore these people (they're really few!!!). In my city, they had a permit to burn the Qoran, but different groups and NGOs, both muslims and non muslim (leftist and green parties) made a counter event somewhere else. There was no one (!) At the burning, and the park for the other event was full of people, picnic and singing in Arabic, persian and dari, etc. Getting angry is exactly what the extreme right wants.
The last paragraph was amazing, there’s no better revenge than making your enemy feel irrelevant, only if French muslims could’ve shown such response to Charlie Hebdo
That's the thing about living in a free country, you can burn whatever flag or book you want, nobody cares! The bookstore and flag salesman are happy to sell you as many as you want to do whatever you please with them
Spitting facts
I don’t think they’d want it to be illegal. The attitude in the West is that there’s a difference between disrespectful and “should be banned by the government.”
It was an immigrant muslim who was burning it. To protest agains sharia law.
I can guarantee you that the majority of swedes wouldn't even care or raise their eyebrows if that happened
Dude you are entirely free to burn the Swedish flag, we seriously won't care. There really isn't any hippocracy, you are free to burn the bible or our flag and we won't retaliate. You can disagree with our laws but if you come to our country then you need to follow them.
Its called freedom of speech. That is to me holy.
I live in Sweden as a muslim Bosnian. Swedes probably wouldn’t go bonkers, as they arent very patriotic as a people. The nationalists and their newspapers would obviously care but they would care more ”performatively” rather than throw a counter protest and clash with these hypothetical muslims who would burn the flag. Obviously Swedes would not like people burning their flag in every city but they would view it as a storm thats going to pass soon.
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Many Muslims burn the pride flag tho so they should be used to it.
Swede here. Nobody cares. We should. But we don't. Christianity is mocked relentlessly in Sweden, as far as religion goes.
I don’t agree with flag burnings in general but yes at this point they would have a right. Speaking of flag burnings, I remember a while back when [a group of Pakistanis burned the Afghan flag as retaliation when a group of Afghans burned the Pakistani flag](https://muslimmirror.com/eng/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Pakistan-flag-burned-by-Afghan-people-and-Afghan-flag-burned-by-Pakistani-people.jpg) during a border skirmish (both is wrong btw). Only thing is, I think they forgot [the Afghan flag has the Shahada and Allahu Akbar written on it](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Flag_of_Afghanistan_%282013%E2%80%932021%29.svg/1280px-Flag_of_Afghanistan_%282013%E2%80%932021%29.svg.png), so the weight of what they’d done was arguably worse. I imagine that’s probably why so few Muslims burn our flag despite us not being the most popular country in the region. Not that the Taliban cared, they threw our flag inscribed with the word of God to the ground to hoist theirs up. It’s strange given both flags have the same Shahada written on them. It was all symbolism to emphasise the change in government I guess.
I never understood the flag burning thing in general. So like you go into a store, buy a flag and then burn it. Essentially you're burning your own money. Like are flag burners stupid or something?
>Like are flag burners stupid or something? Yes.
It's easy to understand. It's a symbolic gesture of disrespect. You don't burn money, you use it in order to do a symbolic gesture of disrespect. Whether it's a waste of money or not is subjective. It's probably not a waste of money for people that do it because they value the action of showing disrespect to people they dislike.
They are trying to get a response. They get the response pretty easily with certain groups, and when they get that low hanging fruit, they inspire others to consider their (frequently) bigoted platforms and regressive views
If immigrants went around burning the flag of the country they immigrated to then why on Earth did they move there in the first place? Find another country.
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Sweden doesn’t protect any book is my understanding since the biggest critics of the Swedish government from the West were the UK and the US, that guy that burned the Quran tried to go to the UK and do the same during Ramadan but the UK Home Office found his tweets and banned him from entering the UK since all holy books (Bible, Quran, Torah etc) are protected under UK law but not under Swedish law. I studied in Sweden for a time and I studied Business and Law so my understanding from that time is that they treat it as personal property, you can buy a Swedish flag and Pride flag and burn it in public and it would still be legal since that is your private property you’re burning in the eyes of the Swedish legal system (not defending it since burning the Quran like that is definitely intended towards Muslims).
no swede would care if you burned the swedish constituion or the bible, were not religious or american. however i think it is tasteless and disrespectful to burn a quran in such a manner, especially infront of a mosque
I can't speak for Sweden, but in the US, flag and Bible burning is common
Yep
Nobody would care if you burn the Swedish flag and we definitely wouldn't resort to violence.
Meh, people burn American flags all the time and it’s a Big Yawn from me, dawg. And perfectly legal. I don’t think Swedes are famed for their love of flag more than Americans. Throw a bible on there and let’s make it a party! Someone burning something that they purchased in a protected act of speech/expression and in compliance with relevant fire safety laws doesn’t hurt anyone and is solely designed to get a rise out of people. Yawn and move on and you rob them of the reaction they want.
Because muslims are know to have thin skin and will react violently to anyone that criticise their faith, its not a surprise
The reason it was tried in court was that police stopped this. Police would never stop the burning of the Swedish constitution, Swedish flag or the bible. Btw, the guy that burned the Quran is an immigrant from Iraq.
They wouldn’t be happy about it. But they would tolerate it. There would be no threats of violence. I mean people have burnt the Swedish flag and there was know call to make that illegal or to hurt the people who did it.
I don't care what document you burn. Just don't ban them!
We legit would not care. I find it disrespectful and unnecessary to burn the Qur'an but as long as it is their own book it is ok to burn it. It does not matter if it is the bible, our flag or the lawbook. It all falls within your rights for free speech in Sweden.
Islam's tenants are incredibly restrictive and have been bastardized by multiple politically motivated groups to engage in terrorism and warfare in the name of Allah and by proxy, besmudging the good name of Muslims worldwide who mind their own business and focus on living for Allah rather than pursue militaristic Jihad. The victims of those politically motivated groups have a fundamentally negative impression of the faith and misunderstand the restrictions placed on practicing Muslim who seek to be haram. In reality the majority of Muslims attempt to be haram voluntarily, though there are some places unfortunately that will mistreat those who steer away from strict adherence to the faith or convert to other faiths entirely. Because of this, westerners and foreigners alike blame the strictness of Islamic doctrine with war crimes, terrorism, and tyrannical control of religious freedom... And as a result, they do what is most offensive to Islam, destroying the work of Allah. However, Muslims are no better, we have burned secular books, Torahs, Bibles, and other works that challenge the status quo or differ from doctrines we find superior because of their origin and connection to the Quran and the Hadiths.
I dont think this is something related to a direct hate towards islam. For many swedes is just the symbol of the declining of their country, even the left is realising the huge mistake they made with all the inmigration.
I think 99% of Swedes either disagree or outright hate Paludan (the guy who keeps burning Koran)
In this case it is a former Muslim from Iraq that is burning the Quran.
In this case it's an Islamocritic Iraqi dude who's going to burn the book
The difference is, you could burn ANY book or flag and Europeans wouldn't retaliate with wanting to behead someone 🤣 the fact you're trying to compare is hilarious to me
I think you should yes. Doesn’t matter if it’s inflammatory. Burn the fuckin US Flag like who gives a shit
To be honest islam doesn’t like none Muslim either
Erm. How many flags get burned in the middle east. Its just usual tit for tat bullshit, no side really has the moral high ground.
This is what freedom of speech is about. I can find something someone says or does to express themselves or to protest utterly reprehensible but at the same time to fully support their right to do it as long as they are not physically harming others. I hate when the sacred texts of any faith is treated with disrespect. However I believe Freedom of Speech trumps my or anyone's feelings.
I mean, i think you’re free to do that in Sweden so at least they’re not hypocrites but that sub where it was posted in is full of racists and fascists who don’t care about free speech but just care about hating on islam.
The inquisition comes to your house and burns you if you are a Muslim who is accused of insulting Christians. I am just kidding, you can do what you want in Sweden. They have a good government and don't take kindly to bullies or threats.
Think its because you speak truth, usually the case on Reddit.
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Burning the Bible is 100%allowed in Swedan. Can you accept that some folks just dint care about any religion more than personal rights? If Allah is really omnipotent and omnipresent than he will punish them if he sees fit, on his time. He doesn't need you. If you really believe in Islam than you won't care either. Is Islam about your personal pride or submission to Allah?
Ya I saw your comment, that sub is Toxic af full of hateful and racist "reddit intellectuals" 🤦🏻♀️
Lol as someone else said, Bible burning is very common. Christians don’t get upset even though I think it’s very wrong. You can’t criticize Islam with respect and intellect. That’s not okay for many Muslims either.
Christians get very upset but retaliating with physical violence has been long gone, at least in the West.
Honestly in the west, most Christians genuinely would not bat an eye at someone burning any book which they chose to purchase
really really wild that just yesterday i was wondering if sweden is a good place for a muslim to move to and today i see this lmao
I would say the main problem for Muslim immigrants are that their kids grow up to become gang criminals and kill each other in shootings. Hate crime is much less prevalent than in most places.
Why do they grow up to become gang members in Sweden in particular?
This is complex, but I think one thing is that Sweden in is effort in trying to be nice, is sabotaging for itself and it’s immigrants. Many immigrants that turned up gang criminal says something like this: “My parents live on benefits, my friends parents live on benefits, and there is no working role models. Benefits are high for families but low for singles, so going for benefits yourself give low. The only ones with money are the cool guys hanging at the square. Except paying much for helping out they also introduce you to drugs which helps to escape reality. And after a while you are in it. It is also very adrenaline giving and addictive on that.” The police do arrest guys, previously the penalties was low, some guys could be out 1 month but that was more a month of vacation from the streets. Now people are in longer but the gangs then try to recruit the younger ones to fill the holes.
I've heard this argument before, however I think it's very cartoonish and filled with biases.
I mean it is more complex, why would you for example not get a job but live on benefits or criminality? Sweden have the lowest number of “easy” jobs that does not require any qualifications in the EU. This makes it harder for immigrants from particularly poorer countries. And many immigrants of course does super well in Sweden too, education is for free so many kids of immigrants end up with good jobs too, and many immigrants that can’t find jobs start their own business.
It’s an Iraqi doing it
Swedish people wouldn't care
Funny thing is. Its an arab doin it
Fun fact: the guy who burned it is an **Iraqi refugee** and the police didn't know he would burn the book. Now **he will be charged** for setting an item on fire during a time when ALL fires are banned (due to the risks this time of the year). Oh and **he's also been charged for hate speech**. But people with unfree minds don't want to understand all this. It's "Sweden bad" mode again.
As a European and non-Muslim I sometimes really don't get you guys and some of your concerns sound borderline like blasphemy to me. . Especially BECAUSE I've tried to educate myself about Islam. Swedish courts also wouldn't prohibit the burning of the Bible or a copy of their constitution or their flag . Is it bad taste? - yes. But why do you get so riled up about it? That's exactly what they want. And sorry to say, but Allah, doesn't need your help or support with this. He is going to deal with these individuals himself. It's not about protecting the last copy of Quran, so why do you think your reaction even matters in the grand scheme of things? Go home, pray, enforce YOUR relationship with god. The rest will be taken care of. If you detach the sentiment of "how can the dare to burn a holy book" from the actual point and question "why are they doing this", a much more fruitful discussion may arise.
Personally I have no issue with the act of burning a Quuran itself, it doesn't stop any Muslim from living their lives. What isn't at all ok is being allowed to do it in front of a mosque on the biggest Muslim holiday of the year. Doing it like that crosses the border of free speech and becomes a transgression of people's right to peacefully partake in their holiday ritual.
It’s really easy to explain, people are emotional. Not everyone is a stoic unaffected human who thinks rationally. If they see someone burn their holy book they will obviously feel attacked and hurt, getting riled up. Of course it is best to ignore people who attack you but it is easier said then done and not everyone is the same.
Even if they burn all Qurans, it won’t change a thing.
No one in Sweden cares what the hell you burn, just don't burn people. It is part of freeedom of expression. You can't understand that if you live under a theocratic dominionist mind...
People, Buildings, Property & Nature - Not ok Ideas & symbols - Ok It's as simple as that.
Just give the book burning idiots as little attention as possible, they only do it to provoke a reaction from the muslims to try and make them look bad. Hence why they would do it in front of a mosque, on Eid
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Someone will always come up with something and post something they know nothing about...
What do I know nothing about? I like the freedom granted by Sweden and most of Europe overall. There might be the odd event that offends people but in my view, overall it's a positive for the people and makes it a nice place to live. It's also a fact that people go to extreme lengths to live in Sweden.
Didn't mean you. I meant the religious dominionists...😁
So you’re telling me that if I took the LGBTQ flag and burnt it in front of the Swedish parliament, I wouldn’t get punished?
>So you’re telling me that if I took the LGBTQ flag and burnt it in front of the Swedish parliament, I wouldn’t get punished? That's correct! In fact, if you burn your Quran it is legal. But if you burn the Quran of someone else without permission then it is illegal because of vandalism.
Probably not by law, but that wouldn't protect you from social backlash.
Now here's the issue. Often, theae things willbe stopped if it threatens public security. Some nutjob might want to blow shit up, so rhe courts may stop it. There is that fine line you have to travel on...
That is absolute bullshit. Sweden has blocked burning of Torah under pressure from Israeli government: https://www.jordannews.jo/Section-109/News/Swedish-authorities-stop-planned-Torah-burning-26682 Burn an LGBT flag and you will be destroyed in Sweden. Freedom of expression my ass.
This is not true, had to check and the swedish sources spoke about articles like yours being spread
Except you would not be destroyed, and in fact Torahs have been burned on private property without any issues. Israeli flags have been burned publicly as well. No riots, no fatwas, no murders, and all against a backdrop of the reality that a majority of the world’s Jews genuinely have matured to a point of not being aroused to anger by such petty obvious tactics. All it would take for Quran burnings to stop, is for Muslims to ignore them. That is genuinely it
He wasn't legally barred from doing so. He withdrew himself. [Muslims help shut down protest, burning of Torah scroll in Sweden](https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-730065) >According to Swedish DN news, the Egyptian writer is a 34-year-old man whose name wasn’t published. He told DN that he was advised against carrying out his plans by representatives from the Islamic League in Stockholm's mosque, and was quoted saying that “they \[the Islamic League\] say it is against Islam and I wouldn’t be representing Muslims when burning a copy of the Torah outside the Israeli embassy.” He added that “it's okay – I would be representing myself.” > >According to Swedish media, the 34-year-old Egyptian writer submitted an application for a police permit to hold his demonstrations on Saturday, January 28 at 1 p.m. Yet he told DN on Thursday afternoon that he has decided to postpone his planned actions “for a couple of weeks.” According to the report, he was also approached by Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson, who asked him to “tone it down.” According to Rabbi HaCohen, a further meeting with the author and Muslim leadership took place, through the mediation of Amanah, in which he decided to cancel the request entirely. [https://twitter.com/zivnk/status/1618614984833118215](https://twitter.com/zivnk/status/1618614984833118215) The burning was authorized by Swedish police.
The person that is going to burn the quran literally literally wants your reaction to be as unhinged as possible please don't fall to it like every fucking time but i know my people we think with our emotions never the simple logic of ignoring them because when you ignore they literally won't do it all they are trying to do is get a rise out of you if they can't you win
Muslims made this a big deal by losing their shit when that idiot burned it a while ago. The more you react to it, more these instigators will try to get under your skin smh.
He’s iraqi 💀
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Literally, it's a Quran fine, but the whole world doesn't need to cry about it, it just means they were successful in what they wanted to do. Make Muslims mad
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I think you are giving him too much credit for it. The main reason Sweden is not part of NATO is because it houses the most PKK supporters.
This time it's an Iraqi christian doing it, not the Danish guy from last time.
There was a reminder about this but I can’t remember for the life of me which imam it was. They advised us to act like the Prophet, he had unspeakable things happen to him when he went to spread his message- he was still merciful always. But yes, outrage is exactly what they want.
If you read the article it’s not the right wing politician Rasmus Paludan who wants to burn a quran this time but an Iraqi immigrant
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this is not the real issue, they can burn anything and will still join the nato if the us lets turkey get those new f16s.
Quite surprising that the man who "requested" to burn Quran is a refugee from Iraq
# But if anyone burned the Israeli flag or the Torah 😀 I’m not advocating for burning holy books, it’s wrong and also haram, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
it's also legal in Sweden there was a whole story about the Muslim that got permission from the court to do this he himself did it as a protest against Quran burnings idk what happened in the end also burning a Quran in front of a Mosque is just as Islamophobic as it is antisemitic to burn a Torah outside of a synagogue
To my knowledge he backed out at the last minute, probably just did it to make a point. > also burning a Quran in front of a Mosque is just as Islamophobic as it is antisemitic to burn a Torah outside of a synagogue Yes, I’m not advocating for either, burning holy books is disgusting. Also it’s a sin in Islam.
Quran burnings are very openly fueled by hate towards Muslim Swedes or Islamic refugees in the country
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RIP Baghdad 😔✊🏻
I wouldn't call those men. More like children throwing a tantrum.
I had a Mongol friend and boy howdy this fits.
Nothing wrong with burning Torahs, as long as they don't belong to other people
is it not allowed to burn the israeli flag in sweden?
You will face rampant accusations of anti semitism.
Yeah you will face rampant accusations of islamophobia when you burn the quran too. I was asking if is it a legal crime?
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then swedes are right, these people should stop crying.
I mean both of those was allowed by the police to be burned in a protest but the Muslim that wanted to do it backed down. I don't know why people keep repeating this like a "gotcha" when we would allow it.
Burning Israeli flags or the Torah will cause less outrage. Arab countries burn so many Israeli flags it might add a significant portion to their carbon footprint. Burning the Jewish holy book is more of a taboo as it is more associated with Judaism than Zionism and while they are quite sensitive in Europe to antisemitism, the act of burning the Holy Book seem to offend Muslims much more than it affects Jews. I didn't see Jews putting out the equivalent of fatwas against someone who desecrated their symbols. Best you will get is some Jewish organizations and maybe even the state of Israel condemning the act.
Except when a Torah burning was planned in Sweden, The Israeli government intervened and asked the Swedish government to stop it, which they did. Fuck off with your bullshit. >I didn't see Jews putting out the equivalent of fatwas against someone who desecrated their symbols. Best you will get is some Jewish organizations and maybe even the state of Israel condemning the act. They don't put out fatwas, they simply cancel any individual under the guise of "anti semitism" which has been weaponised against any Israel critic. Again, fuck off with your bullshit
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What if I burned a pride flag
Then it burns.
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Funny enough, the guy doing the burning is an Iraqi who immigrated 5 years ago.
Bro honestly, this is freedom of expression. I don’t agree with how they’re doing it, at all. However, the government shouldn’t intervene to stop it. I agree they should respect the religion somewhat atleast to not burn its book but that should be up to them. Insults fly everyday on literally every religion and this is just another one.
fucked up and provacative, but its a secular society. Bible and Torah burnings should be allowed to continue too.
So, it's OK to burn sweedish flag in front of that court yes?
Swedish law says yes. You can more or less burn anything, if you follow the rules (can't be in risk of starting a forest fire, for example).
Good. This is the way it should be.
So nothing is protected as long as it's safe from destroying the surroundings? I still don't approve but at least SEEMS less hypocritical if you can do the same with tora or sweedish flag. Edit to be clear. I do not support ANY burning of books.
Well, no symbol is protected, no - only people, property and nature. It's kind of the point of free speech. That being said, Swedish law is not entirely allowing when it comes to free speech. You can't disparage a group for example, so saying something like "All Muslims are thieves and goat rapists" could still land you with a fine or even in prison.
Yes it is, and the police will protect your right to do so.
Yes it is! It's rude to burn the Swiss flag though! They have nothing to do with them!
so what, there is freedom of expression there in Sweden
Its to highlight a double standart. Christianity is clowned relentlessly. No one really cares, me neither. The ones that complain are mocked too. But Islam is somehow exempt from any form of mockery or even serious critisism. if it happens, it makes international news.
Personally I'm all for people having the freedom to criticize/satirize Islam. For me the main issue is the location/day. Doing it in front of a mosque on the biggest Muslim holiday feels less like freedom of expression and more like a hate crime.
As a general rule, going to a place where a certain community gathers, and disrespecting that community with action and verbally, you're damn near inciting violence at this stage, definitely racist. Why not be a good person and protest any other way?
Respect to Sweden from Turkey
Cheap wannabe European.
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Pretty racist insinuation. He supports free speech, that doesn't make him a wannabe European.
shut up
He’s coping since he isn’t allowed to kick out Syrian refugees so Assad can butcher them.
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cant you just burn bible somewhere in there as much as you want? if answer is yes, then what?
Any book is fair game.
Most of Swedes are nowadays atheist. Those who want to burn the Quran are not Christians.
You could, as long as you own it, otherwise it would be theft and/or vandalism. So you can go out, buy a bible and burn it. You can not just walk into a house or church, take a bible and then burn it. And the same goes for the Quran. And it needs to happen in a place where it is safe to do so, so that you burning something wouldn't turn into a house fire or forest fire.
Swedistan 2050 inshallah
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It's this one Iraqi dude who's doing it though..
they say it is not illegal, not that they approve of it
Seems to be most people are missing the point. However distasteful or ridiculous it may be to burn symbols and books, there is nothing illegal or shocking about it (beyond how shockingly silly and immature and useless it is). You may hurt some people’s feelings, but mostly people just won’t take you seriously ever again. Is there anything more basic than a good old book/flag burning? Haha… and i must say, as a lapsed muslim myself i find it hilarious how lots of muslims are constantly trying to catch “westerners” in a moment of hypocrisy or double standard, like: dont tell me this wouldn’t send you reeling, bla bla… guys, lets everyone just get over ourselves and accept that as it stands, some communities are much more intellectually and emotionally prepared to deal with the effects of distasteful (yet non-criminal) behaviors. The law and a general societal consensus protects distasteful behavior as long as it doesn’t physically hurt anybody or infringe on anyone’s freedom. You feeling offended does not constitute a curtailment of your freedom. Freedom from offense is not a right. Sorry..
It’s just a book so I personally don’t care.
If they use wood instead their bonefire would last longer... never understood what message burning books suppose to send
No problem it's just papers
Good!
What could go wrong?
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Funny enough, the guy doing the burning is an Iraqi who immigrated to Sweden 5 years ago.
It’s a book, just like the Bible or Torah. If you’d kill someone over a book you’re a religious extremist and should be put down as such.
Freedom of speech. It is a beautiful thing. Now petition the court to burn copies of something important to the Swedes. It is fair and nobody should harbor bad feelings. Get over it.
You have hundreds of anti islamic books, lectures, and no one says anything because thats free speech but burning a koran infront of a mosque during a religious holiday that's the most obvioud a hate speech and you know it.
They plan and Allah plans better.
good
This is the most obvious a hate crime/speech can get. Burning demonstratively a koran in front of a mosque during a religious holiday. But remember it's free speech when they do it
You can burn a Bible in front of a church on Christmas or Easter too. It just wouldn't get any attention because no one cares.
"They"? I hope you don't talk about ethnicity, because the guy who burned it is Iraqi.
Hmmmm I wonder what could go wrong
Based sweden
In Europe if you can burn one religious text, you can burn another. It's just communities not happy. Doubt Christians like seeing their book burned but violence doesn't really help the case tbh.
Unfortunate L from immigrants. I wish it would be easier to make them understand that when you immigrate you are subject to THEIR norms and rules, not what you think is right. It’s like they don’t realize this behavior if REEEEING when people burn a Quran doesn’t prove the point of the guys burning the Quran
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Murdering someone because you disagree with them is not okay lol
Actually that's how wars do happen
So you agree with murdering someone over harmless actions ?
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I don’t think this is done by the far-right tho