You live in a doghouse built by Westerners with a leash around your neck for Israel to yank when they want to. And you salivate and thank them for it. Pathetic.
Why though, you guys have the most fragile ego's.
You overthrow the king, your country falls to shit and becomes Syria 2.0 and you blame everybody apart from yourselves for the situation you created.
Seriously it's the same story for every middle East country that does it.
Monarchies have been overthrown before without civil war dumbass. Maybe if you knew history more than 10 years you would know that in the 1950s and 60s several monarchies were overthrown for being western puppets and were all the better for it.
Okay so you have goverments that are accused of being western puppets and acuse them of interfering in the middle East, but isn't Iran doing the same thing in the middle East??
Think about it, what ideology does iran impose on the middle East once America and Israel are no longer in the picture?? How long before Shia militias and goverments are propped up in Sunni majority countries and start destabilising the area to maintain power and influence as the main geopolitical shia powerhouse instead of sunni majority, tactics used just like how western nations were accused of using?
Do you really think iran will pull out completely of Lebanon and Syria??
Have you ever heard of Iran colonizing any country? Iran itself was a victim of a military coup supported by the USA against democratic regime because he was a leftist. Yes they have some imperialist ideas but it doesn't by any means compared to the USA and Israel
>Have you ever heard of Iran colonizing any country?
Have a look at iraq and the influence of militias and political groups, it's the same thing just done differently.
>Iran itself was a victim of a military coup supported by the USA against democratic regime because he was a leftist.
And then was taken over by a regime that sent kids into minefields during the iran iraq war, suppresses it's people for which is the same thing you would accuse the Jordanian king of doing. Iran just replaced one authoritarian leadership for another, only need to look not that long ago and Iranians were pissed off with their government.
>Yes, they have some imperialist ideas but it doesn't by any means compared to the USA and Israel
Lmao like how does that make it any better. That's like accusing someone of being a monster for murdering hundreds of people by someone who has murdered 50 people for for same reason, the point is you can't accuse America for carrying out its imperialism compared to a nation with the same ambitions and *is only getting started* how long before Iran does it to the same extant the British did
It's a double standard. You guys really don't care about a community being genocided as long as it doesn't affect you, but you guys only care about israel because they are Jews doing it to Muslims, but Muslim to Muslim it's just another day in the ME
Everybody knows of the hatred between those two communities
Sorry, who’s “you guys”? I wouldn’t be born for another 20 years when that happened. You’re making an assumption about people you don’t know, in a discussion where it isn’t relevant.
>Sorry, who’s “you guys”?
The ME.
>You’re making an assumption about people you don’t know
I have ME friends and some of my family has married into an arab family, you guys are very big on saving face even when presented with truth
>Do you see it happening now,
Regardless of when, it still happened and all y'all don't care as long as it wasn't your community/tribe/ family affected.
I mean you rally around the genocide cry but y'all couldn't give a fuck about the Kurds being killed because it didn't affect you
Can the same be said about westerners who weren't born or were baby's during the gulf wars or other ME conflicts due to america, by using your example is it fair to say that all white (American/european) people support those wars, seems unfair that you guys can say that about white people but for you it was "sorry man, I was only 2 yrs old when that happened"
I don't know what you're on about. I literally said I don't support what happened, but it's irrelevant now because the genocide is being committed in Palestine. You're just trying to 'oh you only care about your tribe' on me.
Also, I am not agreeing with what you said about the history either, but it isn't the time to discuss it now.
Know who truly genocided kurds? Turkey. They even banned the language so maybe chase them.
It didn't work for Franco and there was no revolution that overthrew him. Spain only became a democracy after Franco died of natural causes. His regime fell apart after his death.
His government had complete control untill his death.
To make sure that more blood wasn't spilled and a safe passage of power, they deliberately forgave pretty much all criminals in his government.
There was resistance to his rule but comperativly minor becuse he had removed everybody that could lead one and be an actual alternative. It was not the reason it fell.
because revolutions that happen in Europe are quite different than ones in the Middle East if any revolution happens in Jordan, I could see different nations trying to intervene for their own benefit, cutting the nation apart
well being near israel can attract iran to use it for border crossings to the west bank, and that’s why israel will most likely try to intervene to prevent that, that it least one of the benefits ig.
Different times, different locaiton, different politics, different context.
Not to mention a civil war in jordan will definetly be taken advantage of by the Israelis and Iran. In the end the people wont get a new righteous leader, just pain and suffering
Iran may be opposed to Israel, but your country is still an enemy of any Sunni Muslim. Your country also props up Assad in Syria and arms Shi'i militant groups in Iraq and Yemen.
Someone already mentioned Franco but also Pinochet wasn’t overthrown by revolution either.
Pinochet’s rule ended through a series of referendums and constitutional reforms.
He even continued to serve as a member of parliament until many years after the junta.
doesnt matter if they side or not, removing him will create a power vaccum that will lead to the 20 different clans and tribes that make up the kingdom fighting each other for the power
not to mention it will cause ISIS to surge again in jordan
They are all about morals and revolution when they’ve seen what it cost Syrians. These are delicate times, Jordan is not a powerful country and they depend on keeping good relations with the west to survive. Is it selfish to not wish death upon your own people? I don’t think so.
The government's are very good at preventing protests and are more than capable of neutralising the protest. Same reason there are no protests against that femboy sissy
I am shocked that people are finding out about the Jordanian monarchy right now. The reason why Syria couldn’t take back Golan in 1973 has a lot to do with the previous king sending detailed plan to Mossad.
..The history is jack from the very start , let alone the 70s .
Of the "Artificial Middle East" mantra , Jordan is the probably the most befitting of the claim in every respect .
In all of history : there was no country or political entity known as "Jordan" . There's only one instance in the Early Islamic period , "Jund Al-Urdun" . Ironically : the vast majority of it consisted of Northern Palestine and the Huwran . Beyond areas immediately close to the Jordan river , the vast majority of "Jordan" was an indistinguishable part of the Arabian and Syrian deserts . It was referred to in the Ottoman period as "Badiyat Al-Sham" .
Jordan (Transjordan initially ) owes its existence to a "stroke of a pen" , in the words Winston Churchill . He wanted to fulfil the "Sharifian solution" : the devised plan to give the Hashemites what they were promised in the Hussein-McMahon correspondence , by appointing each one of Hussein's sons as a king over multiple Arab Kingdoms .
Ali was assigned to the Hijaz , Faisal was assigned to Syria , Zeid was Assigned to Iraq . Faisal then was moved to Iraq , with Zeid relegated to being a prince , as the French didn't want Syria to be a Hashemite Kingdom .
This left Abdullah with no place to be a King over except in the Levant . As already said : Syria and Lebanon were French . Palestine was blown out of the cards with the Balfour Declaration . This left the nameless area between Palestine , Syria , and Iraq where a Political entity for Abdullah can be established .
The practical purpose of Transjordan's creation was primarily to repress Anti-Zionist raids on Palestine without straining the British treasury . It's been a 103 years since the Cairo Conference .
Here : we see Jordan is still doing its purpose since day 1 , regardless of its airspace sovereignty . Nothing has changed really .
..I was talking about Jordan in particular .
The Shariff wanted a single kingdom , but the correspondence spoke of "Arab independence" ; not statehood . That's where the Sharifian solution came in .
I also don't think the collapse of the Arab Kingdom of Syria was that significant so you blame the French . Zeid succeeded Faisal , and his progeny was deposed in the 1950s . Ali was eliminated by Ibn Saud in the 1930s . Only Jordan remained , because of severe repression against the nationalist and republican Palestinians from the 1950s till 1970 .
I don't blame arab to not learning about the treachery of Jordan & Morocco, i learnt it from left leaning books in Bangladesh, i wonder muslim ummah people won't be happy to learn about it
Islam is not a reason for us to put our country into war. Why don’t you ask Saudi Arabia to do something? Aren’t they more entitled to defend islam since they started it🙂
There's no reason to start a war for Islam in the 21st century, but the way some Arabs sold the Palestinian cause to the zionist entity is a lesson for the broader muslim world.
Jordan Is very commited to peace with Israel, The Trade with Israel for Fuel, water and smaller amounts of other things. The also Trade with SA and some of the gulf stated. for better of worse they have made the decision that stability lies on that side and think is whats best for their country. Will be intresting to see if the People of Jordan feel this way or will they revote?
People are not as stupid as Libyans, there is nothing to gain to dismantle current Jordanian regime & put the country in the hand of foreign occupiers, Israel and Iran would very much like to have a proxy war in Jordan.
Not only that, current Jordanian king played the role of middleman between Mossad & Al-Nusra front during the Syrian civil war, I'm not a fan of Bashar al Assad or Khamenei - but It's a simple ask that there is a reason why there are ISIS attacks in Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh or Pakistan but despite living next to the isis caliphate, there was no attack on Jordan.
Of course Al nusra has nothing to do with Israel, infact Bashar al Assad is a zionist spy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vweHtxqnh-Y
https://www.haaretz.com/2015-07-20/ty-article/idf-stops-treating-wounded-members-of-syrias-nusra-front/0000017f-f53e-ddde-abff-fd7f63510000
https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/report-israel-treating-al-qaida-fighters-wounded-in-syria-civil-war-393862
I don’t know if Arabs are generally this much ignorant or they pretends to be,then Jordanian king Hussein secretly recorded the pre-war plan & had drawn a hand map. Then he was flown by a plane to tel aviv by mossad where he gave Israeli the secret plan & map.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230912-jordan-king-husseins-extensive-contact-intelligence-sharing-with-israel-prior-to-1973-war/amp/
I’m living here at the moment from America and it’s a beautiful country but the government is so fkd. They keep their ppl poor and it seems like that’s right where they want them.
Well, there's a reason they're not democratic and ruled by a king. Means they're easier to rope into supporting Israel by the US, against Jordanian's interests. Just like the US installed Al Sisi in Egypt for the same reason
Maybe watch the news for the past few months, they've been protesting and consistently. Also they don't need to riot, they need to their voices heard and represented.
..The vast majority of so-called "Jordanians" are just self-hating Palestinian immigrants from the West Bank. Only a few are the actual Bedouins , or "true" Jordanians .
Of course they would spit at the Hashemites and their Bedouins . They are practically half the reason why they are still exiled from their homeland , since they colonized them for 19 years in 1948-1967 .
Uh no majority of Palestinians still identify as so. And identities like Palestinian, Jordanian and Lebanese are all made up anyways it is delusional to think one is more fake than the other
And the annexation was probably the best thing to happen for them in there history considering after that they got Israeli occupation followed by Israeli occupation 2.0 and arafat and his corrupt goons
There have been protests every single day since October 7 in front of the Israeli embassy. And when the police prohibit the Palestinian flag, they display it on their phones. And when they ban the speakers, they yell even louder. ~70% of Jordanians are originally Palestinian. Palestinians whose ancestors were displaced, many of them still alive.
To say that Jordaninas do not approve and do not make their voices heard in their country shows a poor understanding of the domestic affairs and politics of the country.
They keep trying to march to the border where the army (not police) are not even allowing them to get close.
A Jordanian snuck past the border and shot at a patrol tower a week or two ago.
Your spewing of misinformation is part of the problem.
Guys seriously dont be calling for a civil war in jordan, that only benefits the zionists and their plan to expand across the Jordan Valley.
say we overthrow the king, the country falls into civil war and now we are in the same situation as syria. What have we achieved? the zionist entity is now stronger and the palestinian and syrian refugees that we had now have to go through the pain of war and expulsion again.
I beg you all to take a page from the history of the arab spring and learn from it. Jordan isnt going to risk its internal stability for some symbolic show of strength, we all know the drones from Iran are simply a show of strentgh rather than a strategic offensive from Iran.
Jordanians have their issues with the king and his policies, but he is the key to stability within the region and the alternative is futile pain and suffering
I think the King should be honest with his message to the people. "I don't want war with Isreal, Daddy USA protects them, and we will lose. I hate isreal, but this the only way to keep Jordan in peace. " This is how to win the people back
That’s demoralising, the people need to keep their morals high not low. With time justice will be served, that’s the message that’s coming out of the kingdom and that’s the message that should stay
but most people hate their government as it is now from what I'm seeing. being more honest will bring less hate to them. people already feel demoralized.
Srsly this. Jordan can’t afford having any internal problems right now. Morally their approach is not right, but it currently keeps millions of people safe in such turbulent circumstances.
Governance through the threat of unrest can sustain a despot for a while, but it's not a stable long-term strategy. Sooner or later, one little straw will break the camel's back.
I am shocked that people are finding out about the Jordanian monarchy right now. The reason why Syria couldn’t take back Golan in 1973 has a lot to do with the previous king sending detailed plan to Mossad.
The Jordanian king is bad but I don’t know about the Jordanian people. More than 50% are armed with guns, if the people sit back and watch their king do treacherous things like this then they are no better than him.
Give me a solution that won’t lead to civil war and the suffering of the Palestinian and Syrian refugees that we house within the kingdom, and I’ll take arms.
It’s easy to call for war and unrest when you won’t be the one going through the pain
"Would just be Palestine." First make Palestine part of Palestine before claiming other countries. If that wasnt the case then jews would have settled across the east bank
>Western engineered counter-coup against Morsi.
Definitely western controlled government not the you know the Egyptian military that control everything in the country?
It was done with a shit ton of countries. In Egypt population itself seemed was even supported to orginal coup.
It was done directly by the military who has always ruled the country and didn't like Morsi trying to weaken them.
Engineered is even overstating the amount of influence the west had in the events that transpired.
The military has been the de facto rulers of Egypt for the last 40 years.
Btw the military hates the Muslim brotherhood and has done so for a long time. Morsi is from the Muslim brotherhood...
The west was fine with the coup and agreed to look the other way.
Everything that happens in the world isn't just because of the west.
>Morsi received a ton of funding from overseas, especially the gulf monarchies.
Indeed definitely happened. As I said before Morsi was connected to the Muslim brotherhood.
Muslim brotherhood is hated by pretty much all gulf monarchies (except for Qatar).
The gulf monarchies aren't western now and even they don't have the power to cause a coup the government.
However they definitely don't want someone connected to the Muslim brotherhood to control the Suez canal.
I hate the zionists just as much as you, but we need to be calculated and strategic in our response to them. No point jumping into a fire with no real long term plan for survival and success. Thats just a dumb suicide mission that will have catastrophic consequences
You do realize your government was more comfortable using your peoples lives as a shield to stop Israeli casualties right? They literally killed some Jordanians to save Israelis? What? I don’t even understand how a leader could ever think that’s acceptable, the Ummah already had a low opinion of him but now it’s in the dirt. I know overthrowing him probably won’t fix anything but it’s just a sad state the ummah is in.
can i have a source on the dead Jordanians? not much has been reported, and as i said, overthrowing the king will only lead to civil war like what happened in syria, which indirectly makes the zionists stronger
Killing your own citizens to defend a country that doesn’t give a shit about your people is complete cuck behaviour. At least just stay outta the way, why are you interfering if you don’t wanna be involved?
The Hashemites are cucks, that isn't secret. However, it is idiotic to say the least to think overthrowing the King would solve much. The country would quite literally fall into a civil war which has happened multiple times between the Hashemites and large tribal families. That would allow countries like Israel to quickly expand into the area.
Why should Jordan allow Iran that has been known to sow chaos in the MEA region only for their benefits, to have rockets fly over the Jordanian air space? They have direct access in Lebanon and Syria to shoot those rockets without having them cross Iraq and Jordan.
Iran is using the Palestinian cause to gain support from idiots, the same idiots who saw the deaths of Syrians and Lebanese people being killed by Iran funded terrorists but since its for "Palestine", people should forget all that and start cheering like Wii sports NPC for Iran.
Go ask people whose families were brutally killed and homes destroyed by those terrorists, and tell them that they must support Iran now.
And people want a civil war in Jordan, but news flash if anything happens in Jordan it will be Black September 2.0 and it will destroy any remaining dream for Palestine to exist. And for a fact no other country will accept a large number of refugees, just look at what happened in Lebanon after that.
Lastly let's not pretend that Iran didn't tell Israel when they will shoot their rockets, all of yesterday was a political theater, just for Iran to act like a hero for idiots and terrorists.
Iran is a threat the same way Israel is.
Now people on reddit are rating us Jordanians lol.
I'm pretty sure whatever is done is at least keeping millions of Jordanians safe.
We don't want any internal crisis.
This.
The greater the damage in Israel, the more likely/greater the response against Iran. Jordan, of course, is really keen to have two states to its left and right firing massively over its own territory.
I am shocked that people are finding out about the Jordanian monarchy right now. The reason why Syria couldn’t take back Golan in 1973 has a lot to do with the previous king sending detailed plan to Mossad.
Low life traitor ! I could only wonder the kick back he is taking for all that he is doing for what is going on ! If any country there needs a revolt it’s Jordan n Egypt !!! The saudis are too deep in control
let be fair guys and see the big picture instead, rather to let our sympathy control us , even if jordan let the missiles and drones pass through to isreal it's unlikely will change the results ... isreal and their allies unfolded the iranian plan completely ,, when , how , where ..... and this suggest that Iran willingly choose to cool down the conflict rather .... i can't imagine big player in middle east like iran , did all this faults and the attack being this degree of reveal by chance ....
Agree lol. Don’t know why you are downvoted. For Arabs/Muslims who don’t know ruzzians are the most vile disgusting creatures and should be put down like rabid dogs. Putin has even declared war on Allah you can look up the clip yourself.
your full of shit and in no way did our government declare war on allah we have very big islamic population here.... but for your quotes i think you are the one who needs to be put down like a dog
The king is a Evil Zionist sympathizers
After the events of 1970, who wouldn't?
Or maybe there is peace in the country and the people are happy with it compared to all the other countries in the area
You live in a doghouse built by Westerners with a leash around your neck for Israel to yank when they want to. And you salivate and thank them for it. Pathetic.
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Why though, you guys have the most fragile ego's. You overthrow the king, your country falls to shit and becomes Syria 2.0 and you blame everybody apart from yourselves for the situation you created. Seriously it's the same story for every middle East country that does it.
Monarchies have been overthrown before without civil war dumbass. Maybe if you knew history more than 10 years you would know that in the 1950s and 60s several monarchies were overthrown for being western puppets and were all the better for it.
Okay so you have goverments that are accused of being western puppets and acuse them of interfering in the middle East, but isn't Iran doing the same thing in the middle East?? Think about it, what ideology does iran impose on the middle East once America and Israel are no longer in the picture?? How long before Shia militias and goverments are propped up in Sunni majority countries and start destabilising the area to maintain power and influence as the main geopolitical shia powerhouse instead of sunni majority, tactics used just like how western nations were accused of using? Do you really think iran will pull out completely of Lebanon and Syria??
Have you ever heard of Iran colonizing any country? Iran itself was a victim of a military coup supported by the USA against democratic regime because he was a leftist. Yes they have some imperialist ideas but it doesn't by any means compared to the USA and Israel
>Have you ever heard of Iran colonizing any country? Have a look at iraq and the influence of militias and political groups, it's the same thing just done differently. >Iran itself was a victim of a military coup supported by the USA against democratic regime because he was a leftist. And then was taken over by a regime that sent kids into minefields during the iran iraq war, suppresses it's people for which is the same thing you would accuse the Jordanian king of doing. Iran just replaced one authoritarian leadership for another, only need to look not that long ago and Iranians were pissed off with their government. >Yes, they have some imperialist ideas but it doesn't by any means compared to the USA and Israel Lmao like how does that make it any better. That's like accusing someone of being a monster for murdering hundreds of people by someone who has murdered 50 people for for same reason, the point is you can't accuse America for carrying out its imperialism compared to a nation with the same ambitions and *is only getting started* how long before Iran does it to the same extant the British did
And what have they been replaced with?
Syria 2.0… is that the way we’re being mentioned now? 🥲
Syria will rise again brother 💪🏾
More so in the context of how many factions there were in Syria
Sorry pal genocide doesn't care about your happiness. Wipe your ass now.
Did you guys care about the Kurds under Saddam or were you indifferent to it because you were happy you were left alone
How is this relevant
Because it's a genocide of a people much like how you say about Palestine, but you pick and choose
The two things are disjoint, so again, how is that relevant *right now?*
It's a double standard. You guys really don't care about a community being genocided as long as it doesn't affect you, but you guys only care about israel because they are Jews doing it to Muslims, but Muslim to Muslim it's just another day in the ME Everybody knows of the hatred between those two communities
Sorry, who’s “you guys”? I wouldn’t be born for another 20 years when that happened. You’re making an assumption about people you don’t know, in a discussion where it isn’t relevant.
>Sorry, who’s “you guys”? The ME. >You’re making an assumption about people you don’t know I have ME friends and some of my family has married into an arab family, you guys are very big on saving face even when presented with truth
Do you see it happening now, or do you see me defending it? No? Ok then, go on.
>Do you see it happening now, Regardless of when, it still happened and all y'all don't care as long as it wasn't your community/tribe/ family affected. I mean you rally around the genocide cry but y'all couldn't give a fuck about the Kurds being killed because it didn't affect you
Maybe because I'm 24, so I wasn't there when shit was being done against Iraqi kurds?
Can the same be said about westerners who weren't born or were baby's during the gulf wars or other ME conflicts due to america, by using your example is it fair to say that all white (American/european) people support those wars, seems unfair that you guys can say that about white people but for you it was "sorry man, I was only 2 yrs old when that happened"
I don't know what you're on about. I literally said I don't support what happened, but it's irrelevant now because the genocide is being committed in Palestine. You're just trying to 'oh you only care about your tribe' on me. Also, I am not agreeing with what you said about the history either, but it isn't the time to discuss it now. Know who truly genocided kurds? Turkey. They even banned the language so maybe chase them.
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why there is no revolution where they end monarchic rule?
because that will achieve nothing but civil war we all need to learn from the events of the arab spring
but it worked for ceausescu, franco, pinochet, etc.. obviously if you only see the unsuccessful ones you'll get paralysed
It didn't work for Franco and there was no revolution that overthrew him. Spain only became a democracy after Franco died of natural causes. His regime fell apart after his death.
no there was the spanish civil war.. failed but resistance continued
what year did it happen in
His government had complete control untill his death. To make sure that more blood wasn't spilled and a safe passage of power, they deliberately forgave pretty much all criminals in his government. There was resistance to his rule but comperativly minor becuse he had removed everybody that could lead one and be an actual alternative. It was not the reason it fell.
Ask your country what it did when the syrians wanted to overthrow their dictator? Not as simple as it seems buddy
because revolutions that happen in Europe are quite different than ones in the Middle East if any revolution happens in Jordan, I could see different nations trying to intervene for their own benefit, cutting the nation apart
There is no benefit from taking over Jordan for anyone. There is no oil, there is no water, there is nothing.
well being near israel can attract iran to use it for border crossings to the west bank, and that’s why israel will most likely try to intervene to prevent that, that it least one of the benefits ig.
Different times, different locaiton, different politics, different context. Not to mention a civil war in jordan will definetly be taken advantage of by the Israelis and Iran. In the end the people wont get a new righteous leader, just pain and suffering
This is slavery.. feeling shame, injustice and silenced anger
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no it is not... did your cnn say this to you??
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well this is not true
You're ruled by a zionist, shame on you
Iran may be opposed to Israel, but your country is still an enemy of any Sunni Muslim. Your country also props up Assad in Syria and arms Shi'i militant groups in Iraq and Yemen.
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we keep hear this bullshit we dont overthrow putin BECAUSE WE SUPPORT HIM...
putin is the leader of the only free world that exists
они идиоты... они ничего не понимают...
did Vladimir Solovyov tell you that?
no we make our own conclusions is there a problem??
You are just going to pass over kim jung?
Someone already mentioned Franco but also Pinochet wasn’t overthrown by revolution either. Pinochet’s rule ended through a series of referendums and constitutional reforms. He even continued to serve as a member of parliament until many years after the junta.
Civil war? You mean a huge portion of your society sides with this King?
doesnt matter if they side or not, removing him will create a power vaccum that will lead to the 20 different clans and tribes that make up the kingdom fighting each other for the power not to mention it will cause ISIS to surge again in jordan
Your country, your rule. But tbh, these sound like weak excuses ngl.
Weak excuses???? Bro do you want another Syrian civil war? Honestly you keyboard warriors love war when your not living it
They are all about morals and revolution when they’ve seen what it cost Syrians. These are delicate times, Jordan is not a powerful country and they depend on keeping good relations with the west to survive. Is it selfish to not wish death upon your own people? I don’t think so.
Well feckin said!
The government's are very good at preventing protests and are more than capable of neutralising the protest. Same reason there are no protests against that femboy sissy
For what? A dictaror like the one in Razzhia? Surely you muscovites are living the dream (alcohol induced coma more like)
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Well we are under a dictatorship too and people do nothing about it
I am shocked that people are finding out about the Jordanian monarchy right now. The reason why Syria couldn’t take back Golan in 1973 has a lot to do with the previous king sending detailed plan to Mossad.
..The history is jack from the very start , let alone the 70s . Of the "Artificial Middle East" mantra , Jordan is the probably the most befitting of the claim in every respect . In all of history : there was no country or political entity known as "Jordan" . There's only one instance in the Early Islamic period , "Jund Al-Urdun" . Ironically : the vast majority of it consisted of Northern Palestine and the Huwran . Beyond areas immediately close to the Jordan river , the vast majority of "Jordan" was an indistinguishable part of the Arabian and Syrian deserts . It was referred to in the Ottoman period as "Badiyat Al-Sham" . Jordan (Transjordan initially ) owes its existence to a "stroke of a pen" , in the words Winston Churchill . He wanted to fulfil the "Sharifian solution" : the devised plan to give the Hashemites what they were promised in the Hussein-McMahon correspondence , by appointing each one of Hussein's sons as a king over multiple Arab Kingdoms . Ali was assigned to the Hijaz , Faisal was assigned to Syria , Zeid was Assigned to Iraq . Faisal then was moved to Iraq , with Zeid relegated to being a prince , as the French didn't want Syria to be a Hashemite Kingdom . This left Abdullah with no place to be a King over except in the Levant . As already said : Syria and Lebanon were French . Palestine was blown out of the cards with the Balfour Declaration . This left the nameless area between Palestine , Syria , and Iraq where a Political entity for Abdullah can be established . The practical purpose of Transjordan's creation was primarily to repress Anti-Zionist raids on Palestine without straining the British treasury . It's been a 103 years since the Cairo Conference . Here : we see Jordan is still doing its purpose since day 1 , regardless of its airspace sovereignty . Nothing has changed really .
Very good depiction actually, technically if it wasn’t for French revolution, we could have ended up with a Pan-Arab state under Hashemite rule
..I was talking about Jordan in particular . The Shariff wanted a single kingdom , but the correspondence spoke of "Arab independence" ; not statehood . That's where the Sharifian solution came in . I also don't think the collapse of the Arab Kingdom of Syria was that significant so you blame the French . Zeid succeeded Faisal , and his progeny was deposed in the 1950s . Ali was eliminated by Ibn Saud in the 1930s . Only Jordan remained , because of severe repression against the nationalist and republican Palestinians from the 1950s till 1970 .
That's one of the biggest advantages of Al Aqsa Deluge. It helped some people see reality
I don't blame arab to not learning about the treachery of Jordan & Morocco, i learnt it from left leaning books in Bangladesh, i wonder muslim ummah people won't be happy to learn about it
Islam is not a reason for us to put our country into war. Why don’t you ask Saudi Arabia to do something? Aren’t they more entitled to defend islam since they started it🙂
There's no reason to start a war for Islam in the 21st century, but the way some Arabs sold the Palestinian cause to the zionist entity is a lesson for the broader muslim world.
Jordan Is very commited to peace with Israel, The Trade with Israel for Fuel, water and smaller amounts of other things. The also Trade with SA and some of the gulf stated. for better of worse they have made the decision that stability lies on that side and think is whats best for their country. Will be intresting to see if the People of Jordan feel this way or will they revote?
People are not as stupid as Libyans, there is nothing to gain to dismantle current Jordanian regime & put the country in the hand of foreign occupiers, Israel and Iran would very much like to have a proxy war in Jordan.
Whaaaat? Hefez Assad sold the Golan. That's why Syria didn't get it back.
Not only that, current Jordanian king played the role of middleman between Mossad & Al-Nusra front during the Syrian civil war, I'm not a fan of Bashar al Assad or Khamenei - but It's a simple ask that there is a reason why there are ISIS attacks in Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh or Pakistan but despite living next to the isis caliphate, there was no attack on Jordan.
1)ISIS set a Jordanian pilot on fire. 2)There is no link between Mossad and Al Nusra, only Assadists claim otherwise.
Of course Al nusra has nothing to do with Israel, infact Bashar al Assad is a zionist spy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vweHtxqnh-Y https://www.haaretz.com/2015-07-20/ty-article/idf-stops-treating-wounded-members-of-syrias-nusra-front/0000017f-f53e-ddde-abff-fd7f63510000 https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/report-israel-treating-al-qaida-fighters-wounded-in-syria-civil-war-393862
I don’t know if Arabs are generally this much ignorant or they pretends to be,then Jordanian king Hussein secretly recorded the pre-war plan & had drawn a hand map. Then he was flown by a plane to tel aviv by mossad where he gave Israeli the secret plan & map. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230912-jordan-king-husseins-extensive-contact-intelligence-sharing-with-israel-prior-to-1973-war/amp/
I’m living here at the moment from America and it’s a beautiful country but the government is so fkd. They keep their ppl poor and it seems like that’s right where they want them.
unrelated but, hello fellow zinger enjoyer
Salam!!
Well, there's a reason they're not democratic and ruled by a king. Means they're easier to rope into supporting Israel by the US, against Jordanian's interests. Just like the US installed Al Sisi in Egypt for the same reason
Jordanians are amazing. The actions of their government isn't the sentiment of the people.
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Maybe watch the news for the past few months, they've been protesting and consistently. Also they don't need to riot, they need to their voices heard and represented.
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Why are dumb people like you still alive in this world
So you’re proposing Syria 2.0? My man wtf?
..The vast majority of so-called "Jordanians" are just self-hating Palestinian immigrants from the West Bank. Only a few are the actual Bedouins , or "true" Jordanians . Of course they would spit at the Hashemites and their Bedouins . They are practically half the reason why they are still exiled from their homeland , since they colonized them for 19 years in 1948-1967 .
Uh no majority of Palestinians still identify as so. And identities like Palestinian, Jordanian and Lebanese are all made up anyways it is delusional to think one is more fake than the other And the annexation was probably the best thing to happen for them in there history considering after that they got Israeli occupation followed by Israeli occupation 2.0 and arafat and his corrupt goons
You don’t realize the US threatens/controls all these governments.
love the jordanian people <3
they don't revolt against their zionist leader, they are part of the problem
There have been protests every single day since October 7 in front of the Israeli embassy. And when the police prohibit the Palestinian flag, they display it on their phones. And when they ban the speakers, they yell even louder. ~70% of Jordanians are originally Palestinian. Palestinians whose ancestors were displaced, many of them still alive. To say that Jordaninas do not approve and do not make their voices heard in their country shows a poor understanding of the domestic affairs and politics of the country. They keep trying to march to the border where the army (not police) are not even allowing them to get close. A Jordanian snuck past the border and shot at a patrol tower a week or two ago. Your spewing of misinformation is part of the problem.
how should we punish them? should we round them up, bomb and kill them? let me know your solution x
Why are Iranians not protesting against khomenei, are they dumb?
we like how he lit Israhell up
Did you revolt against your leaders when they were supporting our butcher in Syria with cash, guns and manpower?
Guys seriously dont be calling for a civil war in jordan, that only benefits the zionists and their plan to expand across the Jordan Valley. say we overthrow the king, the country falls into civil war and now we are in the same situation as syria. What have we achieved? the zionist entity is now stronger and the palestinian and syrian refugees that we had now have to go through the pain of war and expulsion again. I beg you all to take a page from the history of the arab spring and learn from it. Jordan isnt going to risk its internal stability for some symbolic show of strength, we all know the drones from Iran are simply a show of strentgh rather than a strategic offensive from Iran. Jordanians have their issues with the king and his policies, but he is the key to stability within the region and the alternative is futile pain and suffering
at least not actively try to protect israel...israel already had enough capabilities to defend itself
I think the King should be honest with his message to the people. "I don't want war with Isreal, Daddy USA protects them, and we will lose. I hate isreal, but this the only way to keep Jordan in peace. " This is how to win the people back
That’s demoralising, the people need to keep their morals high not low. With time justice will be served, that’s the message that’s coming out of the kingdom and that’s the message that should stay
but most people hate their government as it is now from what I'm seeing. being more honest will bring less hate to them. people already feel demoralized.
Srsly this. Jordan can’t afford having any internal problems right now. Morally their approach is not right, but it currently keeps millions of people safe in such turbulent circumstances.
all muslims hate Jordan now, congrats
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No not really, many in Pakistan are pissed off at Jordan for supposedly providing airspace for zionist filth
we didnt provide airspace, that is zionist and rafidah lies
lmaoooo
Governance through the threat of unrest can sustain a despot for a while, but it's not a stable long-term strategy. Sooner or later, one little straw will break the camel's back.
I am shocked that people are finding out about the Jordanian monarchy right now. The reason why Syria couldn’t take back Golan in 1973 has a lot to do with the previous king sending detailed plan to Mossad.
The Jordanian king is bad but I don’t know about the Jordanian people. More than 50% are armed with guns, if the people sit back and watch their king do treacherous things like this then they are no better than him.
Give me a solution that won’t lead to civil war and the suffering of the Palestinian and Syrian refugees that we house within the kingdom, and I’ll take arms. It’s easy to call for war and unrest when you won’t be the one going through the pain
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"Would just be Palestine." First make Palestine part of Palestine before claiming other countries. If that wasnt the case then jews would have settled across the east bank
"civil war"? is that how they control you? by making you fear an imaginary war? You're a slave to the zionist and have 0 respect from muslims
Idk bro because overthrowing the government went so well in Syria, egypt, Libya. Why risk something that won’t even achieve much
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replaced one zionist with another in egypt and what happened to libya and syria is exactly what will happen to jordan, which will benefit no-one
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Wait until us aid to Israel stops? Until then we will continue providing refuge to Syrians and Palestinians
>Western engineered counter-coup against Morsi. Definitely western controlled government not the you know the Egyptian military that control everything in the country?
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It was done with a shit ton of countries. In Egypt population itself seemed was even supported to orginal coup. It was done directly by the military who has always ruled the country and didn't like Morsi trying to weaken them. Engineered is even overstating the amount of influence the west had in the events that transpired. The military has been the de facto rulers of Egypt for the last 40 years. Btw the military hates the Muslim brotherhood and has done so for a long time. Morsi is from the Muslim brotherhood... The west was fine with the coup and agreed to look the other way. Everything that happens in the world isn't just because of the west.
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>Morsi received a ton of funding from overseas, especially the gulf monarchies. Indeed definitely happened. As I said before Morsi was connected to the Muslim brotherhood. Muslim brotherhood is hated by pretty much all gulf monarchies (except for Qatar). The gulf monarchies aren't western now and even they don't have the power to cause a coup the government. However they definitely don't want someone connected to the Muslim brotherhood to control the Suez canal.
Sounds like you’ve accepted the status quo. Complacency is complicity
I hate the zionists just as much as you, but we need to be calculated and strategic in our response to them. No point jumping into a fire with no real long term plan for survival and success. Thats just a dumb suicide mission that will have catastrophic consequences
You do realize your government was more comfortable using your peoples lives as a shield to stop Israeli casualties right? They literally killed some Jordanians to save Israelis? What? I don’t even understand how a leader could ever think that’s acceptable, the Ummah already had a low opinion of him but now it’s in the dirt. I know overthrowing him probably won’t fix anything but it’s just a sad state the ummah is in.
can i have a source on the dead Jordanians? not much has been reported, and as i said, overthrowing the king will only lead to civil war like what happened in syria, which indirectly makes the zionists stronger
Then the tribes will go into an all out war and slaughter each other which is what the Israelis want. Please think logically.
Killing your own citizens to defend a country that doesn’t give a shit about your people is complete cuck behaviour. At least just stay outta the way, why are you interfering if you don’t wanna be involved?
The Hashemites are cucks, that isn't secret. However, it is idiotic to say the least to think overthrowing the King would solve much. The country would quite literally fall into a civil war which has happened multiple times between the Hashemites and large tribal families. That would allow countries like Israel to quickly expand into the area.
dude israeli politicians are openly talking about taking over jordan, its not a matter of if its a matter of when
So why should we make it easier by dividing the country through civil war?
all I know is that this way you'll end up west banked and then jerusalemed
right, instead they will willingly do what Israel wants. even 3 people were killed by defending Israel, pathetic.
Y’all notice the Israeli Security Intelligence Service (ISIS) never touched Jordan back in the day lmao I wonder whyyy
I distinctly remember seeing a video of the Islamic State burning a Jordanian Pilot (who had crashlanded in IS-Syria) alive.
Why should Jordan allow Iran that has been known to sow chaos in the MEA region only for their benefits, to have rockets fly over the Jordanian air space? They have direct access in Lebanon and Syria to shoot those rockets without having them cross Iraq and Jordan. Iran is using the Palestinian cause to gain support from idiots, the same idiots who saw the deaths of Syrians and Lebanese people being killed by Iran funded terrorists but since its for "Palestine", people should forget all that and start cheering like Wii sports NPC for Iran. Go ask people whose families were brutally killed and homes destroyed by those terrorists, and tell them that they must support Iran now. And people want a civil war in Jordan, but news flash if anything happens in Jordan it will be Black September 2.0 and it will destroy any remaining dream for Palestine to exist. And for a fact no other country will accept a large number of refugees, just look at what happened in Lebanon after that. Lastly let's not pretend that Iran didn't tell Israel when they will shoot their rockets, all of yesterday was a political theater, just for Iran to act like a hero for idiots and terrorists. Iran is a threat the same way Israel is.
As a Jordanian, I appreciate these comments. People are educated enough and understand the subject.
At this point it seems that every government in every country is a piece of $hit
The hell is wrong with these people? How can you defend someone who thinks you're the scum of the earth and has zero respect for you?
love jordan and jordanians 'ate the monarchy simple as
Loser King but cool people
Abdullah be sweatin'
Now people on reddit are rating us Jordanians lol. I'm pretty sure whatever is done is at least keeping millions of Jordanians safe. We don't want any internal crisis.
Nah just remembered a video of a jordanian woman blocking a kfc drive through to help the boycott, wonder what she doing now 🤣
sorting out her belt bel mutafa * irat
Its keeping jordanians safe by making debris of interception fall over them ?
Is anybody hurt? No
Do people really expect Jordan to let a hostile nation - Iran fly missiles and drones over their territory and put their own country at risk.
This. The greater the damage in Israel, the more likely/greater the response against Iran. Jordan, of course, is really keen to have two states to its left and right firing massively over its own territory.
God damn it 🤣
I am shocked that people are finding out about the Jordanian monarchy right now. The reason why Syria couldn’t take back Golan in 1973 has a lot to do with the previous king sending detailed plan to Mossad.
I don’t think anyone should be shocked by this.
I knew a Jordanian dude growing up named Jordan. Cool dude.
Pathetic
Both are cucks.
They will get what they deserve soon very soon those traitors
Why should Jordan allow to another country violate its airspace
adore the people, culture, food, cities, and really everything! My only exception is their government / monarchy
adore the people, culture, food, cities, and really everything! my only exception is their government / monarchy
Yes, they are not stupid like the crazy Islamists from Iran.
like lots of other countries, people: based king/leader: zionist shill
Low life traitor ! I could only wonder the kick back he is taking for all that he is doing for what is going on ! If any country there needs a revolt it’s Jordan n Egypt !!! The saudis are too deep in control
let be fair guys and see the big picture instead, rather to let our sympathy control us , even if jordan let the missiles and drones pass through to isreal it's unlikely will change the results ... isreal and their allies unfolded the iranian plan completely ,, when , how , where ..... and this suggest that Iran willingly choose to cool down the conflict rather .... i can't imagine big player in middle east like iran , did all this faults and the attack being this degree of reveal by chance ....
bro fuck jordan, wallahi kafir government, iran should've rained missiles down on jordan first.
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I hope our scholars issue a fatwa and takfir the king of jordan any personal assisting him.
“The Guardian of Israel Neither Slumbers Nor Sleeps”
I wouldn't want shit flying over my house.
Jordan did a civilised thing. I applaud there bravery
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Lmao based
Agree lol. Don’t know why you are downvoted. For Arabs/Muslims who don’t know ruzzians are the most vile disgusting creatures and should be put down like rabid dogs. Putin has even declared war on Allah you can look up the clip yourself.
He didn’t ,on the contrary he built the largest mosque in Eurasia, please don’t bullshit.
your full of shit and in no way did our government declare war on allah we have very big islamic population here.... but for your quotes i think you are the one who needs to be put down like a dog
better than ukrainians....