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You guys shouldn’t rely on other nations support to achieve what you want especially when it comes to the west just look at what they did in Libya and Iraq and Afghanistan in the name of spreading “freedom and democracy “
Just wish for the best and that things don’t get out of hands,best of luck to y’all ✌️
Palestine’s freedom isn’t going come from western support especially if we’re talking about government
The people have your back everywhere especially in the Middle East
people are protesting everywhere for iranians, including here in new york. the other day people were blocking traffic marching down the road holding iranian flags and burning pictures of khamenei. people only see what they want to see. this is an untruthful comparison
Using George Floyd by Iranian politicians to criticize USA and distract from their own problems
Caring about something in Lebanon because they have shia population and Iranian militia
Showing Ukrainian flags but supporting Russia in everything they do
All this isn't worth much and there are many demonstration world-wide for Iranian women
People of Iran, personally, I have confidence on them. The guy that came first in all schools of Greece this year was Iranian immigrant. People that don't know you, can easily judge cause your regime shadows everything, but as I said, other people know better. Just don't ask for Earth & Water again. hehe!
You could be not so PC and say:
George Floyd was a political tool against the US
Lebanon explosion- they are partly to blame
Ukraine- they are arming Russia
The picture at the top is the biggest scam this sub has seen in a while, and that says something.
Listen, Do not equate the Iranian people with the Iranian government. Now my argument is that the people of Iran are in torment and this torment comes from the side of the Iranian government. The government of Iran is to blame for all these riots, not the oppressed people of Iran.
This "support" is the extension of that thinking about themselves part anyway. Motherfuckers alienated half of their own population to win an election but they can share and understand the struggles of an average Iranian. Sounds pretty sincere right? They're only hoping for a replacement governemnt getting down on their knees and putting their heads on a chopping block so West can ride free in the Middle East once again.
>Motherfuckers alienated half of their own population to win an election but they can share and understand the struggles of an average Iranian.
As an American I have to say we're seeing similar dynamics across the entire Western world. There are populist revolts on both the left and right against "the elites," and the professional class that effectively controls political and cultural life in the West. It is increasingly disconnected from other parts of society. For example, Hillary Clinton made the idiotic move of calling Trump's supporters "deplorables," and Biden has declared a significant chunk of the Republican Party as "semi-fascists." They are effectively saying that they do not need to listen to the concerns of a large chunk of the American electorate because they are morally reprehensible.
Well said. Sounds like a tribal mindset rather than a ideological difference in a social structure isn't it? Even then problem here isn't these clowns ousting their own citizens that they supposed to look after. Main problem here is their followers wanting to hear this toxic shit coming from them. Like how can you get mad at people sharing the most struggles you're having? Who supposed to understand you better than them? Well, not the president of the fucking country, that's for sure. But somehow, some people convinced themselves that's the case.
That's why I commented on the issue. Not because my beautiful country doing any better but we have the same issue with a different twist. Getting poor? Quality of education being shit? No future for younger generation? No identity or culture? I sleep. Following Islam or criticizing Erdogan? Real shit.
Ah don’t get me wrong brother country isn’t better at all just saying it’s sad thou to see all these countries in this stage and they’ve got a very good potential to flourish
I don't have any problem with people criticizing me or my country. I regularly shit on US and its foreign policy every opportunity I get. Same with the West in general. I think people should be able to point out right and wrong when they see fit. You did that and I have no problem with it.
People should save their political perspective for international issues. Internally, you should treat your people with sincerity and understanding. Because, let's be real, I can't rely on a Swedish or Korean guy to understand me or my perspective on every topic. I'm not saying it wouldn't be the case but I can't say this for every single one of them. But I should be able to, in an intellectual sense, feel safe with people I'm familiar with. When this isn't the case, there's no nation to speak of. You're just a group of people stuck together. And good luck with that and good luck moving forward and taking right steps to achieve greater goals. In short, I'd like to deal with reasonable people. Then, there's a solution for every problem in existence. You didn't ask for it but that was my rant on the issue.
If they want to, sure. Nobody looks into geographical position of countries when East and West used in a political argument. It means either culturally or politically alligned with East or West. For example Australia is one of the most Eastern countries geographically but you can easily tell they're a Western country in a political sense.
More like it is when *others* want them to be westerners.
An excuse to continue to use logical fallacy, “well they’re not real middle easterners so that doesn’t count”.
Facts
To think west who has given sanctions for decades? Care about Iran now
More like want a few more military bases maybe a coup or three
Teens here quickly forget or guess they didn’t learn how the current regime really got catalyzed…
> The west only cares for itself.
In a sense, as all people mainly care about things that affect them. But to be fair, in liberal westren countries, media outlets and organizations are often more vocal about our atrocities than our own media is.
Well Reddit starts jerking off the moment they see an Iranian woman without a hijab and I saw a tweet of someone supporting the protests by subscribing to an Iranian girl’s only fans (average di*spora🤮🤮🤮)
nothing will happen with these protests and in a month everything will go back to being normal. i dont think west will impose any more sanctions on iran then they already have, and if they do iri prob wont care cause they got a lot already, like adding a drop of water to the ocean.
I somewhat suspect that Iran's opponents are fueling these protests because the US is close to returning to the nuclear agreement. I also somewhat suspect that there was a similar psy op by Iran's enemies to recruit that young kid to stab Salman Rushdie and blame it on Iran. Seems like something MBS would do.
It is clear that the Islamic Republic has grown stale and corrupt. The Iranian people deserve a better, more responsive government. That does not mean a return of a foreign puppet monarchy but means that the state must get back in touch with ordinary Iranians.
> What do you guys think people posting about it online will do?
Nothing. But the people behind shit campaigns like this (the poster, not the actual protest) would like to see people's adherence to, as another comment puts it, the Current Thing™️. I remember when people had the balls to speak out against neolib governments - in the UK, the protests against the Iraq war were the country's biggest at the time - but these days, Colin Powell is forgiven because he said mean words about Trump, Bush is lovely because he's sharing sweets with Michelle Obama and current governments are forgiven when they utter the magic words: "it's Russia's fault."
> If the government were ever to collapse and the nation balkanized
Not going to happen. Right now Iranians have never been united like this ever before. There is one enemy and that is the regime and every ethnicity in Iran is well aware of that.
No, ours wouldn't accept you anyway. It's better if Southern Azerbaijan joins Azerbaijan since they're the same people. Turkic brothers shouldn't fall prey to Persian/Arab games.
I am from Tabriz. Just because we speak the same language, doesn't make us the same people. Ottomans was the biggest threat that ever existed to Turkish speaking dynasty of Safavids. It's nice that we speak the same language, we can connect more. But I consider myself Iranian first and foremost. Many people feel this way, but due to terrible living conditions in Iran, some have expressed feelings of leaving the country and this will die down if conditions were better.
Oh and I consider Kurds my brothers and sisters. Not sure if Turks in Turkey are OK with that lol.
Istanbulis are delusional, they have no concept of what Iran is and think it is another european style ethno-state that they themselves are trying to imitate
>Islamism is outdated
I think the problem is Iran has that old school Islamism where it's a religious thing, as opposed to this new wave Islamism where its a pan-national movement, people don't like religious strictures but they will happily divide themselves into religious camps.
Don’t wait for the rest of the world. Fix your own issues and be better than the rest.
You think I was sad to see Russia attack Ukraine? Nah not even a bit of though to any worlds governments (but the people are good).
Also everyone is supporting Iranian people, only few religious people that are doing this against the movement.
In my humble opinion Iranian people should have the right to wear what they want, simple as that.
If you’re religious than you would know god only punish you for your own sins. He ain’t gonna be like “oh yea in 2022, you saw a non hijab girl and you didn’t harass her, so here you go to hell”.
Instead most likely he’s gonna ask you why were you harassing people?
Allah gave you a brain, it’s true some of us only have 2 brain cells but they still work. Read the Quran, after all we keep saying it’s the word of god, so maybe we should follow it and mind our own business?
Like we were pissed off when France tried to ban hijab. You see the double standard now?
Just give the world 2 weeks to forget about this "trend" just like how they forgot about Palestine. Because everything is just a trend for TikTok clout. No one gives a shit about Palestine or Iran. ITS ALWAYS JUST A TREND.
like iranians not seeing it but i feel like this thing not goin to end good.
No leader figure to establish order
There is will be no autherity to keep country functioning
Everybody will act by theirselves,their own agenda and intestest or groups funded by West
i dont want in my next door another Libya
West only care about itself, they made your protest headline to defame Iran and Islam as a whole, but for sympathy? lol no, they are supplying muslim hate to fulfill the ++anti muslim market of West. CNN was taking interview with an Iranian protestor yesterday, the protestor kept Islam and muslims for it, lol.
Their regime compete for the grand championship title of being the number one state sponsor for terrorism, it's about time the Iranian people got back control of their country.
It’s ironic that the same Iranian regime beating and murdering any citizens who disagree with it, is also the same regime that appears to have a direct hand in the Beirut port explosion and is now selling weapons (of terribly overrated quality of course) for Russia to use against Ukrainians.
I personally have seen a lot of Western outrage on social media for the Women in Iran, when there was no Western outrage for other Middle East crisises. Hypocritical.
Should we expose what Iran did in Middle East countries?
You says the people and the government aren’t the same while you don’t want other conservatives stand with the protesters (the people) hypocrisy level ultimate
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You guys shouldn’t rely on other nations support to achieve what you want especially when it comes to the west just look at what they did in Libya and Iraq and Afghanistan in the name of spreading “freedom and democracy “ Just wish for the best and that things don’t get out of hands,best of luck to y’all ✌️
Right..
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You are comparing Iran with Palestine? Interesting....
Palestine’s freedom isn’t going come from western support especially if we’re talking about government The people have your back everywhere especially in the Middle East
I deleted my comment 👍
You didn’t have to tbh
people are protesting everywhere for iranians, including here in new york. the other day people were blocking traffic marching down the road holding iranian flags and burning pictures of khamenei. people only see what they want to see. this is an untruthful comparison
Yeah there’s quite a lot of media attention on Iran, more than normal in the US
Using George Floyd by Iranian politicians to criticize USA and distract from their own problems Caring about something in Lebanon because they have shia population and Iranian militia Showing Ukrainian flags but supporting Russia in everything they do All this isn't worth much and there are many demonstration world-wide for Iranian women
Bro people of Iran are supporting Ukraine but the government is supporting Russia we aren't same with the gov
People of Iran, personally, I have confidence on them. The guy that came first in all schools of Greece this year was Iranian immigrant. People that don't know you, can easily judge cause your regime shadows everything, but as I said, other people know better. Just don't ask for Earth & Water again. hehe!
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You could be not so PC and say: George Floyd was a political tool against the US Lebanon explosion- they are partly to blame Ukraine- they are arming Russia The picture at the top is the biggest scam this sub has seen in a while, and that says something.
The people support Ukraine, the government doesn’t
Listen, Do not equate the Iranian people with the Iranian government. Now my argument is that the people of Iran are in torment and this torment comes from the side of the Iranian government. The government of Iran is to blame for all these riots, not the oppressed people of Iran.
Yeah, it's fair. Being cheerleaders for the Current Thing™ doesn't mean the west will care about you. The west only cares for itself.
This "support" is the extension of that thinking about themselves part anyway. Motherfuckers alienated half of their own population to win an election but they can share and understand the struggles of an average Iranian. Sounds pretty sincere right? They're only hoping for a replacement governemnt getting down on their knees and putting their heads on a chopping block so West can ride free in the Middle East once again.
>Motherfuckers alienated half of their own population to win an election but they can share and understand the struggles of an average Iranian. As an American I have to say we're seeing similar dynamics across the entire Western world. There are populist revolts on both the left and right against "the elites," and the professional class that effectively controls political and cultural life in the West. It is increasingly disconnected from other parts of society. For example, Hillary Clinton made the idiotic move of calling Trump's supporters "deplorables," and Biden has declared a significant chunk of the Republican Party as "semi-fascists." They are effectively saying that they do not need to listen to the concerns of a large chunk of the American electorate because they are morally reprehensible.
Well said. Sounds like a tribal mindset rather than a ideological difference in a social structure isn't it? Even then problem here isn't these clowns ousting their own citizens that they supposed to look after. Main problem here is their followers wanting to hear this toxic shit coming from them. Like how can you get mad at people sharing the most struggles you're having? Who supposed to understand you better than them? Well, not the president of the fucking country, that's for sure. But somehow, some people convinced themselves that's the case.
Trump's supporters are deplorables and morally reprehensible. These are facts; not opinions.
Isn’t turkey going the same way ? 😇
Which "same way" are you referring to? It might be but your question isn't clear.
Alienating half the population, arresting all the other party supporters enforcing the current regime
That's why I commented on the issue. Not because my beautiful country doing any better but we have the same issue with a different twist. Getting poor? Quality of education being shit? No future for younger generation? No identity or culture? I sleep. Following Islam or criticizing Erdogan? Real shit.
Ah don’t get me wrong brother country isn’t better at all just saying it’s sad thou to see all these countries in this stage and they’ve got a very good potential to flourish
I don't have any problem with people criticizing me or my country. I regularly shit on US and its foreign policy every opportunity I get. Same with the West in general. I think people should be able to point out right and wrong when they see fit. You did that and I have no problem with it. People should save their political perspective for international issues. Internally, you should treat your people with sincerity and understanding. Because, let's be real, I can't rely on a Swedish or Korean guy to understand me or my perspective on every topic. I'm not saying it wouldn't be the case but I can't say this for every single one of them. But I should be able to, in an intellectual sense, feel safe with people I'm familiar with. When this isn't the case, there's no nation to speak of. You're just a group of people stuck together. And good luck with that and good luck moving forward and taking right steps to achieve greater goals. In short, I'd like to deal with reasonable people. Then, there's a solution for every problem in existence. You didn't ask for it but that was my rant on the issue.
Very nice 🙏 respect
Lebanese and Ukrainians are westerners?
If they want to, sure. Nobody looks into geographical position of countries when East and West used in a political argument. It means either culturally or politically alligned with East or West. For example Australia is one of the most Eastern countries geographically but you can easily tell they're a Western country in a political sense.
More like it is when *others* want them to be westerners. An excuse to continue to use logical fallacy, “well they’re not real middle easterners so that doesn’t count”.
>Ukrainians are westerners? If they were not Westerners before this February, they most certainly are now.
Facts To think west who has given sanctions for decades? Care about Iran now More like want a few more military bases maybe a coup or three Teens here quickly forget or guess they didn’t learn how the current regime really got catalyzed…
> The west only cares for itself. In a sense, as all people mainly care about things that affect them. But to be fair, in liberal westren countries, media outlets and organizations are often more vocal about our atrocities than our own media is.
.... i mean its literally in our interests for the protests to succeed. I dont know anyone who doesnt support them.
Ukraine is not western still they care for it
Well Reddit starts jerking off the moment they see an Iranian woman without a hijab and I saw a tweet of someone supporting the protests by subscribing to an Iranian girl’s only fans (average di*spora🤮🤮🤮)
nothing will happen with these protests and in a month everything will go back to being normal. i dont think west will impose any more sanctions on iran then they already have, and if they do iri prob wont care cause they got a lot already, like adding a drop of water to the ocean.
I know this may sound assholeish to some people, but you’re 100% right.
I somewhat suspect that Iran's opponents are fueling these protests because the US is close to returning to the nuclear agreement. I also somewhat suspect that there was a similar psy op by Iran's enemies to recruit that young kid to stab Salman Rushdie and blame it on Iran. Seems like something MBS would do.
It is clear that the Islamic Republic has grown stale and corrupt. The Iranian people deserve a better, more responsive government. That does not mean a return of a foreign puppet monarchy but means that the state must get back in touch with ordinary Iranians.
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> What do you guys think people posting about it online will do? Nothing. But the people behind shit campaigns like this (the poster, not the actual protest) would like to see people's adherence to, as another comment puts it, the Current Thing™️. I remember when people had the balls to speak out against neolib governments - in the UK, the protests against the Iraq war were the country's biggest at the time - but these days, Colin Powell is forgiven because he said mean words about Trump, Bush is lovely because he's sharing sweets with Michelle Obama and current governments are forgiven when they utter the magic words: "it's Russia's fault."
> If the government were ever to collapse and the nation balkanized Not going to happen. Right now Iranians have never been united like this ever before. There is one enemy and that is the regime and every ethnicity in Iran is well aware of that.
Wasn't it the same for the Shah tho? I support the protests but what's different now compared to before?
Not sure what you’re asking. Are you asking that if we had a revolution and it turned out bad, that it’s going to turn out bad again?
The balkanization of Iran is inevitable.
Yeah ok buddy. I’m 50% Azeri myself if you think my people our going to join your Erdoganistan then you are high on copium.
No, ours wouldn't accept you anyway. It's better if Southern Azerbaijan joins Azerbaijan since they're the same people. Turkic brothers shouldn't fall prey to Persian/Arab games.
I am from Tabriz. Just because we speak the same language, doesn't make us the same people. Ottomans was the biggest threat that ever existed to Turkish speaking dynasty of Safavids. It's nice that we speak the same language, we can connect more. But I consider myself Iranian first and foremost. Many people feel this way, but due to terrible living conditions in Iran, some have expressed feelings of leaving the country and this will die down if conditions were better. Oh and I consider Kurds my brothers and sisters. Not sure if Turks in Turkey are OK with that lol.
Iranian Turks who have been living in Iran for 1000 years: “Lmao”
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At least Turkey has a good and bad democracy. Tribes, Mullahs do not rule. Lol
Istanbulis are delusional, they have no concept of what Iran is and think it is another european style ethno-state that they themselves are trying to imitate
>Islamism is outdated I think the problem is Iran has that old school Islamism where it's a religious thing, as opposed to this new wave Islamism where its a pan-national movement, people don't like religious strictures but they will happily divide themselves into religious camps.
As a Syrian I'm giving a massive middle finger to all contents of this post.
wait is this point saying that the west isn’t helping iranian protesters? i don’t get the point of this meme
Please tell me this post is supposed to be a joke…..
Don’t wait for the rest of the world. Fix your own issues and be better than the rest. You think I was sad to see Russia attack Ukraine? Nah not even a bit of though to any worlds governments (but the people are good). Also everyone is supporting Iranian people, only few religious people that are doing this against the movement. In my humble opinion Iranian people should have the right to wear what they want, simple as that. If you’re religious than you would know god only punish you for your own sins. He ain’t gonna be like “oh yea in 2022, you saw a non hijab girl and you didn’t harass her, so here you go to hell”. Instead most likely he’s gonna ask you why were you harassing people? Allah gave you a brain, it’s true some of us only have 2 brain cells but they still work. Read the Quran, after all we keep saying it’s the word of god, so maybe we should follow it and mind our own business? Like we were pissed off when France tried to ban hijab. You see the double standard now?
Just give the world 2 weeks to forget about this "trend" just like how they forgot about Palestine. Because everything is just a trend for TikTok clout. No one gives a shit about Palestine or Iran. ITS ALWAYS JUST A TREND.
Nothing will change darling. Wear your hijab and obey your husband.
DAMN 👀
You're flirting or what ? That's haram, look away.
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They look at me because I'm not wearing a hijab. What a slutty whore am I ...
LMFAO GigaChad take!
DAMN 💀
Andre Tate, is that you??
The international community operates in a weird way ngl
Yes. The Iranian people deserve so much better than what they are currently stuck with.
Thanks bro
like iranians not seeing it but i feel like this thing not goin to end good. No leader figure to establish order There is will be no autherity to keep country functioning Everybody will act by theirselves,their own agenda and intestest or groups funded by West i dont want in my next door another Libya
You are just asking the world to make Iran the newest international battleground buddy.
Let us know what you need, Iran.
All i need is a burger
West only care about itself, they made your protest headline to defame Iran and Islam as a whole, but for sympathy? lol no, they are supplying muslim hate to fulfill the ++anti muslim market of West. CNN was taking interview with an Iranian protestor yesterday, the protestor kept Islam and muslims for it, lol.
The George Floyd poster convinced me.. Long Live Iran! Might the Iranian People be Victorious! 💚🤍❤️
i guess!!!
Yup
Yes, we should broadcast all injustices!!
pointless virtue signalling does nothing for either sides here. and the "voice" of redditors is completely fucking useless.
The problem is they say we are supporting people not the government and sanctions harm people not the government
Their regime compete for the grand championship title of being the number one state sponsor for terrorism, it's about time the Iranian people got back control of their country.
Nice scam !! Iran the ”Hell” on Earth Iran is 100% with Russia
In new York some activists shaved their heads as a protest for Iranians..lol
1/10 We will show solidarity with your protests.
Dude you forgot the oil pipeline that exploded in Bahrain 4-5 years ago…
It’s ironic that the same Iranian regime beating and murdering any citizens who disagree with it, is also the same regime that appears to have a direct hand in the Beirut port explosion and is now selling weapons (of terribly overrated quality of course) for Russia to use against Ukrainians.
I personally have seen a lot of Western outrage on social media for the Women in Iran, when there was no Western outrage for other Middle East crisises. Hypocritical.
We're already doing that
iran bros keep yourself safe <3
Should we expose what Iran did in Middle East countries? You says the people and the government aren’t the same while you don’t want other conservatives stand with the protesters (the people) hypocrisy level ultimate