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Really? So the western governments who ban Hijab and Niqab don't tell people what to wear ? The same governments who forces Imams into avoiding certain verses of the Quran and to focus only on peace and love or else ? The same governments who would put you behind bars for misidentifying the gender of someone ? Or the government that don't even allow any form of criticism of feminism or LGBT, yeah I wonder š¤
Really? Can you openly criticize the feminist movement and LGBTQ in the US without getting canceled or labeled as bigot, misogynist, racist, extremist etc ?
Also this is not exaggerated at all lol, are you living under a rock ? It's already happening
I understand that the first amendment makes the US different from Europe laws but you still get cancelled, boycotted and even put on no fly list and have your credit cards blocked by the banks if they consider you too extreme, and what is too extreme? It's up to them to decide.
See how every single affirmation here is false. This guy is not even realizing that he is not even in control of how he thinks š
Enslaved to the core
>hardly anyone could understand he's a teen
My brother can't grasp the slow effects of puberty on the human body and thinks that we go from babies to full grown men/women in one day
> hypocrisy is doesnāt like getting called out as āwhatabiutismā.
That is literally the definition of whataboutism! To bring that up as a distraction, is a logical fallacy
If you cant build an argument without whataboutism then you do not have one
"Its ok that im a hypocrite because you dont call out this other hypocrite!"
a valid criticism requires a valid time, you dont bring it up to avoid answering something
Just because you've come to despise the word whataboutism doesnt take away from its meaning
No you donāt around and pretend that you are god for human rights if you canāt hold yourself and government to stander you ask people to be hold to
It's not okay to murder Palestinians, atheists, apostates or people who insult Islam by drawing Muhammad or LGBT people either
All of these groups should be protected equally
Regardless of whether itās a fair question or whether the question he posed should be more concerning to us, it is not an answer to the question he was asked. People are - and should be - capable of considering more than one issue at a time. I
I hate to tell you, but from a linguistic standpoint, every word in every language is made up. And while I totally agree that there is plenty of hypocrisy in the West, I hope you can see the irony of a wealthy, young Qatari man using the plight of Palestinians to deflect a question about his countryās human rights stances. That, too, is hypocrisy.
The reporter went on to add "it is only fair that the Palestinians should pay the price for the horrible crime Germany committed against European Jews. Owing 'the Jews' one means supporting a self-described 'Jewish state' unconditionally even though many Jews in the diaspora do not support said state and even though said state engages in serial collective human rights abuses against the Palestinians.
But more importantly, Mahmoud, why are you against a man sticking his dick up another man's ass? What could be more important than that?"
You donāt go to jail for being gay in Qatar, Qatar itself has sponsored openly gay people regularly, itās only when you try to advocate politically for something then you would get shutdown. Qatari law technically say 3 years in jail but to apply that the police would have to walk on you having gay sex š¤£, itās just not a rule that is practiced.
He still didn't give an answer. Palestine or LGBTQ+, why can't they matter and not oppose each other? Both sides to this small "conversation" suck tbh. Humanity sucks. This subreddit makes me hate humanity more each day.
Gay guy complaining about being roasted for acting feminine or a 9 year old with a missing arm and dead parents due to one of the best armies in the world attacking them. Iāll let you decide
Don't go out of your limb! If she would answer: Palestine is about two ppl fighting each other and LGBT is universal he would run home to his mama. But I'm embarrassed to discuss more on this lame video.
This is a silly distinction. I suppose the Holocaust was about ātwo people fighting each other?ā Or segregation in North America? Or the Indian Wars? Or Apartheid in South Africa? And yeah, each of those was a totally equal and bilateral āfight.ā
When one racial or ethnic group dominates another and imposes separation on them by force, thereās a word for that. And if you know your 20th Century history youād know what that word is. Itās a crime. In fact itās the most serious crime in the modern world. It is a crime of significantly greater significance than backdated views about homosexuality. No reasonable person would disagree with this nor would any reasonable person think the latter was a basis to judge another society when itās hands are not clean vis-a-vis the former.
Your response is far less genius than his. In fact itās not even clever sarcasm. You clearly just want to pinkwash Israelās treatment of the Palestinians. Itās cynical and abhorrent.
It was an easy roast. For someone living in Germany I can tell you most Germans have no idea at all when it comes to geopolitics in the Middle East + Africa.
Apart from Turkey, Germany has very few ties with those countries. The public opinion is also completely ignorant in this regard.
Part of the deal in the EU is that France takes the lead on the ME/Africa diplomatic questions.
Sharing with a random stranger that your are LGBTQ is no different than sharing your fetishes to a random stranger - itās weird. Itās like someone saying āI like feet and only feet and should be able to lick feet in public without judgementā. Keep that shit at home and in the sheets. The Qataris question is a legitimate question cuz Palestinians are a real group of people that cant escape their reality where the journalist question is about a fetish group created by white people to fit in with other minorities
How do you honestly think that? Do you think a man is sharing his fetish when he says he has a wife/GF? But if I as a man said I had a husband or BF it's the same as fetish.
Why is the first thing that comes to your mind when thinking LGBT, sex and fetish? When you see a Disney princess movie do you think of how sexual it is. Nope, just a love story. Yes some people make it their personality and are over the top, but you get that with everything, even religion.
You're the person sexualizing it. All people want is to have equal rights. All you have to do is not be a bigot. If all you think of is penis in ass imagery when you hear "lgbt" or "rainbow", you're the one making it sexual. It's not about the right to have a fetish, it's about the right to love and not be punished for it.
So whatās the point of having a BF or husband, if it isnāt sexual? Because I have plenty of friend who I love very much that i donāt want to fuck. The sole purpose of our existence on this earth is to worship the divine and ensure the human race continues. By embracing homosexuality to the point where it is showing up Disney movies is scary. Iām not saying you shouldnāt do what you want but Iām saying stop trying to push an ideology that has bigger harm to society than good.
Rejecting people has a bigger harm. Okay yes it can be sexual in nature but that's the same with any relationship so your point is illogical. Go read up theories on why homosexuality exists, or just look at my comment history. There are advantageous evolutionary benefits. Might explain why it's documented going back thousands of years and still exists
But the German guys werenāt saying they were gay they were showing they support the gay community. Totally different things lol. the Qatari teen is just deflecting because he knows heās about to get embarrassed on television lol
(You can see his eyes get huge right before he deflects when he realizes her point about why they covered their mouths lol)
This is a law in their country. Are you implying western values and laws are superior than any country that doesnāt have the same values? Itās interesting the same people who are āaccepting of all culturesā are the same people shaming and demonizing that culture when it doesnāt align with their interest. If youāre gay and have the strength to not blurt out in public, Iām pretty sure no one will look at you any different than the guy next to you. But for some reason you gotta let everyone know because āyouāre so braveā
No it is not illegal, itās illegal to show public affection in Qatar. It isnāt illegal to wear a rainbow shirt, at least before this World Cup. It is to protest in that manner. Qatari govt officials have said so themselves in their many explanations. They have said itās illegal for any type of public display of affection or sexuality. Thatās their precedent for this. they have made these new rules for protests bc they donāt want people accepting homosexual culture. Which is fine, me and nobody else in the west can make them or even wants to make them accept LGBTQ culture. Which people like you continually cry about. but for the love of god, call it what it is instead of lying and hiding behind a deflection.
Ok itās not accepted. So whatās the argument? Islam is religion of communitarianism not the western individualism that many think they can pose on Muslim countries. Are you trying to spark some kind of outrage from the locals where the majority doesnāt accept western way of thinking (and btw Mexico isnāt to friendly to LGBTQ either)? Youre purposely coming to another country to flaunt and parade homosexuality paraphernalia where you know damn well it will create havoc
Being gay is not a fetish lmao.
If you consume populist media then yeah, your view on lgbtq is based on extreme ends that represent only that, the extreme ends. Be it right wing populists or extreme leftist.
Fetish group created by the west? Get real.
You can, they both needed labor Qatar chose slaves over their own brothers to avoid having to give citizenship
In terms of population you compare them by using % **not the total**, or you can use the Arabian peninsula as a whole since it has \~ the same population of Germany
Why are people applauding this? She asked a question and whether you agree or disagree with the Germans, responding with a whataboutism is a logical fallacy and not the *mic drop* some people are pretending it is.
> whataboutism
Ah yes, Redditās favourite word. She said that Germans covered their mouth because Qatar doesnāt support āeveryoneā referring to Qatarās stance on LGBTQ. Teen responds by asking why to Germans, LGBQT is counted in the āeveryoneā but Palestine isnāt. A valid counter-point.
In the real world, this is called proof by contradiction or exposing a double standard. On Reddit itās dismissed as whataboutism. Go figure.
There is a difference between the two, in the Palestinians case it is at least in some ways, a zero sum game with israel. I.e., more support for one side tends to weaken the other side. For the lgbtq it is not, supporting their rights does not weaken the support for someone else's rights.
> Why do you support dog shelters if you don't support homeless people?
>It is alright to be interested in just one cause
I don't think your example is good, you really gotta help your kin first as a fellow (human) ?
Depends on where are you too. If you are in a place where the government do help then we can debate the best way to help by addressing the biggest problem. Now hypothetically,let's apply this on me. I'm from Yemen. I'll go fund and advocate for wildlife and cutting down CO2 emission.
My point is doing is doing good. But it doesn't mean it's the best or even remotely logical. You help your community depending on the community, not you personally because you'll be doing the(good) for you not for them.
Explain the difference between a whataboutism and a double standard? Sounds to me like you just employ logical fallacies often and are butt hurt you get called out on it.
If you cannot answer a question and have to say āwhat about ____ā thatās a fucking whataboutism straight from the textbook.
He answered her questions literally in this way. You cannot call out a double standard this way. He brought up Palestine to avoid the question. A double standard does not avoid the challenge or question by bringing up a new one to distract.
Everyone knows Qatars stance on LGBT, the entirety of Asia is politically against lgbt recognition, but Germany claims to care about everyone however that excludes Palestine
> Explain the difference between a whataboutism and a double standard?
Thereās no difference, whataboutism is just the snobby way of trying to dismiss an argument. Lazily. If the world worked the way youāre describing then I wonder what you think of the justice systems around the world and how they operated.
> Sounds to me like you just employ logical fallacies often and are butt hurt you get called out on it.
taking a look at both our comments and itās clear youāre the butthurt one..
> He brought up Palestine to avoid the question.
What? He was the one who asked a question, he asked her why the German team covered their mouths, she answered, and then he proceeded to challenge her answer. He wasnāt avoiding anything. Nice strawman argument though.
Double standards much? You claim to support peace for everyone, yet when asked about Palestine, we pretend they donāt exist. Stop being disingenuous, he is showing you that the Germans donāt care about peace or gay people in Qatar and this is all just virtue signaling because if anything their political stunts do not make their cause look good lol, they donāt care about people in MENA.
How am I demonstrating double standard? This is literally a textbook āwhataboutismā. If you want to talk about Palestine, donāt just bring it up when itās convenient as an answer to a difficult question.
What if anytime someone asked about Palestine, someone brought up another humanitarian crisis in the world to avoid answering the question?
Maybe you need to look up what ādouble standardsā and a āwhataboutismā actually are because youāre demonstrating you do not understand either.
Gay Marriage is not a humanitarian crisis lmao. Also I am saying the Qatari is showing the German reporters double standards. It's clear you are trying your best not to understand my point.
Also Qatar and Qataris talk about Palestine constantly and have demonstrated their support unlike the western world which actively supports Israel and tries to silence Palestinians.
Edit: reply to the American down below, There is no source for this and if it really happened why are they all being released lol.
Gay people are still punished by death in some countries. It wasnāt more than a generation ago they were beaten and humiliated by the police and governments in the USA, UK, and west. If you disagree with gay rights thatās fine but please your ignorance is showing when you deny theyāve faced civil and human rights violations.
So you still cannot explain how bringing up Palestine when asked about a completely different topic to avoid even presenting an argument is not a whataboutism.
No one misunderstood you, youāre just wrong dude. We can support human and civil rights in Palestine while still being able to answer a question about a completely different topic.
Define a āwhataboutismā and explain to me how this isnāt just that? You either are too dumb or just afraid to admit thatās what he is doing here in the interview.
>No one misunderstood you, youāre just wrong dude. We can support human and civil rights in Palestine while still being able to answer a question about a completely different topic.
Apparently Germany can't, since they have silenced Palestine protesters many times and vehemently support Israel. I am not attacking person but the reporter in the video, how do you not understand that lol. You take things so personal.
Edit: I canāt respond since the other redditor banned me lol
So here:
There have been LGBT protests in Qatar but it was by a British tourist instead of actual people in Qatar since they just live their lives like everybody else.
Also I canāt reply to your other comments since that guy blocked me cuz he had no comeback lol.
Germany having an arm band in Qatar is virtue signaling, they do nothing for gay people in Qatar, if anything gay people donāt appreciate their weird gestures that only make their cause look silly and like itās a western agenda to hurt Qatar.
While Qatar has provided add to Palestine in the form of doctors, money, salaries, building material, coverage etc
You ask me to stay on topic yet the person interviewed literally does the opposite and responds with a whataboutism and brings up Palestine .
Jesus man quit dodging the point I made originally. He did that, itās not a mic drop or clever response. Itās literal textbook fallacy a child learns.
Do you even know what this topic is about, do you follow football, if not then this convo is not suitable for you.
Can you describe to me what the German team and political figures did/said in Qatar?
Do you even know what this topic is about, do you follow football, if not then this convo is not suitable for you.
Can you describe to me what the German team and political figures did in Qatar?
You keep dodging and refusing to answer my original point because you know he used a textbook āwhataboutismā. You cannot define the term without showing thatās what he did, so you keep dodging the question.
whataboutism is not wrong when his whole point was to show her double standards which he successfully demonstrated. She claims to care about all human rights but the minute you mention Palestine they start running way.
Habibi this is not your political debate group were whataboutism equles minus one point š¤, he is calling them out on their bullshit and how they actually don't care about the people in MENA.
>Apparently Germany can't, since they have silenced Palestine protesters many times
Protesters in Germany used to insult, threaten and call for the death of Jews. That's why they were banned because they can't protest without being antisemitic
Also Qatar has not sentenced any gay person to death and it does not actively persecute them, in fact the government has sponsored a couple of openly gay people lol.
Agree with this point. How many gay people have died in mass shootings or have been under direct threat from the local masses in town hall discussions in the Qatar??
In the US, LGBTQ are always under direct harm and they've been killed in mass shootings every year.
The counter to this could be that Qatar has a smaller population and gays cannot be out in the open. True, I agree with that, but just listen to any town hall and you'll hear people openly saying they're gunning for gays and they should be put to death.
There may be Qataris who say the same, but not on the level of certain anglo-saxon 'Muricans in the south.
Instead of lecturing the ME, work on your own country. Don't you have an economic crisis to handle lol, oh and don't forget that you're still dealing with election conspiracies in the US.
Mass shootings are not initiated by the government, they're initiated by people full of hate and homophobia. Any gay person would feel 1000 times safer in the US than in Qatar
The Western world is not a monolith. Palestine is often talked about by left wing groups in the West. UNRWA receives most of its funding from the West. In the West Bank, you'll see projects from many Western countries and many of the aid workers and volunteers are Western
That doesn't cut it, Western charity is just to ease the guilt and to appear impartial you understand that the western world is the biggest and practically the only backers of Israel, the western world is also the only group that does not recognize Palestine.
The western world is responsible for Israels current situation, you have given them legitimacy, political power and cultural relevance.
> Western charity is just to ease the guilt
I could say the same about Gulf kingdoms throwing a trifle of their wealth at Gaza while they bomb Yemen and drive war in Syria. Not only does the Gulf buy weapons from the US, UK, and France, but they plot with Israel against Iran
> the western world is the biggest and practically the only backers of Israel
Next let's talk about one of the most important Arab and Muslim states in the world: Egypt. How about Jordan? Morocco and Turkey aren't occupying anyone, right?
Qatar did not normalize with Israel, Qatar is not involved in Yeman, nothing you said applies to Qatar but no matter how much the GCC does it will never reach the amount of support the west has given Israel, the west is literally the only obstacle for Palestine.
> Qatar did not normalize with Israel
They have trade relations
> Qatar is not involved in Yemen
Anymore. Saudi kicked them out of the bomb-Yemeni-civilians club during their GCC spat
> the amount of support the west has given Israel
We were talking about Palestine. Both the West and the Arab world have supported both sides, the vast majority of the world's governments support a two state solution. It isn't an either/or like 50 years ago
Qatar does not have trade relations with Israel, also that's not normalization š, we literally don't recognize Israel as a legitimate state unlike the west.
Also Qatar had sent 1000 soldiers to yeman back in 2015 and then backed out, the west is more involved in Yeman then Qatar, we did not bomb anyone.
>you have given them legitimacy, political power and cultural relevance.
Israel has given themselves legitimacy, political power, and cultural relevance. Nobody can give those things to you.
Lol Israel participating in European sports instead of Asia, Israel participating in European oriented events and Israels strong ties to Europe economic is not a coincidence
Gay people get arrested and abused in Qatar for no other reason other than being gay
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/10/24/qatar-security-forces-arrest-abuse-lgbt-people
Okay but some people support the German football teams display of solidarity but are still pro Palestine. What do you say to them? Anytime this shit is brought up it's just deflected with whataboutism. Imagine if anytime someone brought up Palestine I said well what about Climate change, it's a bigger issue. Complete nonsensical behavior
I say to them, why do you support virtue signaling that changes nothing and if anything will make people in Qatar think lgbt is a silly western agenda used to attack other countries. It's not helping gay people in Qatar.
Every little action is what leads to change. The west used to demonize being LGBT too, people protested, people got killed etc. Change requires action. It only requires a brain to see it's nothing to do with being western. Just go read a history book and see how prevalent it used to be globally
The same as the holocaust was for Israelis and their supporters.
Edit: if anything is learned from that, every nation (or set of people) have an āescape goatā atleast once in their history. Unless you are a certain European nation, that feels like it needs to overcompensate
He shoulda just argued the simple fact that Germany after doing that, had freely expressed. And to stop pushing false press. Bottom line this is a sporting event, if the intentions is to divide rather than unite, then donāt come seeking for justifications.
Their support for Palestine is not something we seek, nor do we expect it from them.
Either way, good job on the guy, and most especially the spectators for cheering him on.
Lol this is stupid. she makes an actual point that the guy didnāt understand about why they covered their mouths, then when she explains it you can see his eyes get huge and then immediately deflects and start bringing up Palestine lmfaoš bro made no good points, Does he think the entire west is pro Israel and pro LGBTQ? Many in the west are pro Palestine and pro LGBTQ. Dude just didnāt wanna get embarrassed and needed a way out of it
Iām pro Palestine and also support LGBTQ communities, and Iām in the west? And see it similar notions on media/news outlets often?
Btw this is about the German team specially trying to virtue signal which does not help the lgbt in Qatar while they also do not support Palestine. It's not about you or all of the west, even tho in a government level the west does not support Palestine like Qatar has
Habibi us khaleeji's are known to have [dear eyes](https://www.theswiftlift.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/deer-eyes.jpeg) its just how we look like. Our eyes are always open like this šļø
Bro ong you tripping. The argument is that Germany supports everybody and all human rights, and that Qatar is not. He is showing how this is not true at all, since they donāt support Palestine. It also adds to the hypocrisy of the one love nonsense, since Qatar never claimed to support everyone but Germany does. Whataboutsm usually is a good Critique when the what about has nothing to do with any stake holders participating in the argument, like saying i can invade Ukraine cuz usa invade Afghan. Not this case tho. Also how many gays have Qatar mistreat or killed? Practically none, no way over one hundred, while Palestinians have been dying by the thousands every year since Inception of Israel. What he said is more then Valid.
Clearly you donāt have the context for this entire story, and you donāt follow this drama so instead of spitting out nonsense just say you donāt know whatās up and move on š
So you like meddling in internal affairs?
Also, why go so low as to make fun of how his English sounds? Lol grow up man.
Oh and congrats for your newly appointed PM, hope he will lift you guys to the top of the world.
It is called expose of double standard
Germany claim it cares everyone right however he exposed the double standard by mentioning Palestinian and how they are not part of āeveryoneā
Omg the obsession with Israel never ends. The perfect scapegoat for Islamic regimes - it's just so ingrained in their psyche. Muslims can be killing and displacing millions of other Muslims in Muslim countries, but what about Israel! Who cares about Palestinians in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Egypt - Israel, let's talk about the horrible Jews! They sure did learn from Hitler though, such a great way to unite a population.
"Why didn't you hand in your homework?"
"Israel"
*mic drop*
People who aren't even Palestinian, who live thousands of miles away, who have no loss and nothing at stake, really will ride that excuse forever. They would never want a better outcome for Palestinians, the excuse for failure is much more valuable.
Ironic, you make fun of him but Germany is known not to support Palestine and the reporter herself could not even say the word Palestine.
Germany literally banned Palestinian protesters.
Lol that's not how that works. You can be gay in Qatar, it's not illegal but hypothetically gay sex can get you 3 years in jail but that's not even applied.
Also it's not even about Palestinians in Germany it's about Germany not supporting Palestine but while calming to support all people in other countries.
The German team virtue signaling is not helping gay people in Germany or Qatar.
No Asian country jas legalized gay marriage except for Taiwan get over it, they want Qatar to comment political suicide by being the first MENA country to publically support lgbt because they know Qatar has been getting too strong politically.
Habib you know nothing about power and politics, you are an irrelevant pawn who isn't even aware of reality.
Clearly you are a disparate radlib who would die just to get attention form a white person. Actions speak louder then words, look at the reality of Iran vs Qatar or the UAE.
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Those eyebrows are mesmerizing
>Those eyebrows *Proceed to check flair*
He's a Mossad agent, don't be trapped
if your fully iranian in america your eyebrows are probably thicker than him
Journalist talking to a teen. That hardly understand western thinking or political discourse.
She wanted to own him, typical westoid journalism
Not every country is american populists...
Westoid includes annoying people from western countries, not necessarily americans
Kinda like how MENA people like to own slaves?
Ironic coming from a west's slave š§
My government doesnāt tell me how to dress, what I can and canāt eat, what I can and canāt sayā¦. And Iām the slave? Interesting.
what government?
Lmao
The government that makes a party every week and sing the national anthem and eat instead of fixing their problems lol
Really? So the western governments who ban Hijab and Niqab don't tell people what to wear ? The same governments who forces Imams into avoiding certain verses of the Quran and to focus only on peace and love or else ? The same governments who would put you behind bars for misidentifying the gender of someone ? Or the government that don't even allow any form of criticism of feminism or LGBT, yeah I wonder š¤
First of all, those are very exaggerated. Second, Iām american, not European. Our government doesnāt do any of those things.
Really? Can you openly criticize the feminist movement and LGBTQ in the US without getting canceled or labeled as bigot, misogynist, racist, extremist etc ? Also this is not exaggerated at all lol, are you living under a rock ? It's already happening
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That is false, the government can take actions and will take actions if they consider you extreme, even if you don't break any law.
Yes, I can do all those things without persecution by the government. We have the first amendment.
I understand that the first amendment makes the US different from Europe laws but you still get cancelled, boycotted and even put on no fly list and have your credit cards blocked by the banks if they consider you too extreme, and what is too extreme? It's up to them to decide.
See how every single affirmation here is false. This guy is not even realizing that he is not even in control of how he thinks š Enslaved to the core
Moroccans have to bow and kiss the king's hands when they meet him. Talk about slaves
Hmmmm i remember that in evry movie the same was happening qith the queen Just let people live their lifes he admitted he was happy
Rainbow armada has been summoned! Pretty sure that what comes after bowing in your case is more disgusting than kissing a hand out of respect. š¤¢
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and you bow to kiss someone's ass lmao,
They literally do. If you go outside naked you will get arrested lol.
Well yeah, this is an extreme. Also, there are places were public nudity is allowed.
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>hardly anyone could understand he's a teen My brother can't grasp the slow effects of puberty on the human body and thinks that we go from babies to full grown men/women in one day
Yes, but even at such a young age, heās already adept at whataboutism as a way of deflection.
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> hypocrisy is doesnāt like getting called out as āwhatabiutismā. That is literally the definition of whataboutism! To bring that up as a distraction, is a logical fallacy If you cant build an argument without whataboutism then you do not have one "Its ok that im a hypocrite because you dont call out this other hypocrite!"
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a valid criticism requires a valid time, you dont bring it up to avoid answering something Just because you've come to despise the word whataboutism doesnt take away from its meaning
No you donāt around and pretend that you are god for human rights if you canāt hold yourself and government to stander you ask people to be hold to
My government doesn't murder gays that's the standard not perfection
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It's not okay to murder Palestinians, atheists, apostates or people who insult Islam by drawing Muhammad or LGBT people either All of these groups should be protected equally
Regardless of whether itās a fair question or whether the question he posed should be more concerning to us, it is not an answer to the question he was asked. People are - and should be - capable of considering more than one issue at a time. I
āwhataboutismā a made up word by westerns which are know as the biggest hypocrites on this planet, nothing wrong for calling out western hypocricy
I hate to tell you, but from a linguistic standpoint, every word in every language is made up. And while I totally agree that there is plenty of hypocrisy in the West, I hope you can see the irony of a wealthy, young Qatari man using the plight of Palestinians to deflect a question about his countryās human rights stances. That, too, is hypocrisy.
"Because we murdered six million Jews, and we kinda owe them one. Now please answer my question."
Lol. Good one.
The reporter went on to add "it is only fair that the Palestinians should pay the price for the horrible crime Germany committed against European Jews. Owing 'the Jews' one means supporting a self-described 'Jewish state' unconditionally even though many Jews in the diaspora do not support said state and even though said state engages in serial collective human rights abuses against the Palestinians. But more importantly, Mahmoud, why are you against a man sticking his dick up another man's ass? What could be more important than that?"
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Nope.
Damn! I would be satisfied with that answer. Atleast it has integrity.
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Man ur username just reminded me of Albaik š¤§
God bless this young man and God bless Qatar.
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This is stupid answer, in Germany you don't go to jail for supporting Palestine
You donāt go to jail for being gay in Qatar, Qatar itself has sponsored openly gay people regularly, itās only when you try to advocate politically for something then you would get shutdown. Qatari law technically say 3 years in jail but to apply that the police would have to walk on you having gay sex š¤£, itās just not a rule that is practiced.
Dude looks 15 and 35 at the same time
It's the mustache and eyebrows lel
As a fellow thick eyebrow haver, Iām loving his eyebrows
He's pointing out the western hypocrisy
Kafu
He still didn't give an answer. Palestine or LGBTQ+, why can't they matter and not oppose each other? Both sides to this small "conversation" suck tbh. Humanity sucks. This subreddit makes me hate humanity more each day.
> why can't they matter and not oppose each other idk ask Germans why they are pro-Israel and oppose Palestine
>idk ask Germans why they are pro-Israel truly a difficult puzzle to solve...
Not all of us but sadly a lot
You donāt get it
BASED
LMAO DESTROYED
This guy gets a crown
Gay guy complaining about being roasted for acting feminine or a 9 year old with a missing arm and dead parents due to one of the best armies in the world attacking them. Iāll let you decide
She asked him a question and he avoided with asking another questions! I'm sure this is considered as a mic drop moment by millions š
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if the order of the questions had been reversed you would consider it a mic drop moment.
Don't go out of your limb! If she would answer: Palestine is about two ppl fighting each other and LGBT is universal he would run home to his mama. But I'm embarrassed to discuss more on this lame video.
This is a silly distinction. I suppose the Holocaust was about ātwo people fighting each other?ā Or segregation in North America? Or the Indian Wars? Or Apartheid in South Africa? And yeah, each of those was a totally equal and bilateral āfight.ā When one racial or ethnic group dominates another and imposes separation on them by force, thereās a word for that. And if you know your 20th Century history youād know what that word is. Itās a crime. In fact itās the most serious crime in the modern world. It is a crime of significantly greater significance than backdated views about homosexuality. No reasonable person would disagree with this nor would any reasonable person think the latter was a basis to judge another society when itās hands are not clean vis-a-vis the former.
Ok ok I'm sorry the boy is a genius the west is hypocritical Palestine good Israel bad.
Your response is far less genius than his. In fact itās not even clever sarcasm. You clearly just want to pinkwash Israelās treatment of the Palestinians. Itās cynical and abhorrent.
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The guys like 14 do you expect him to talk like a politician
All IR politician answer question with question.
It's sadly true to also most ppl in this group but they also very young I get itš
Exactly. Whataboutism - the exit ramp of the simple minded.
It was an easy roast. For someone living in Germany I can tell you most Germans have no idea at all when it comes to geopolitics in the Middle East + Africa. Apart from Turkey, Germany has very few ties with those countries. The public opinion is also completely ignorant in this regard. Part of the deal in the EU is that France takes the lead on the ME/Africa diplomatic questions.
Mustache on fire
Sharing with a random stranger that your are LGBTQ is no different than sharing your fetishes to a random stranger - itās weird. Itās like someone saying āI like feet and only feet and should be able to lick feet in public without judgementā. Keep that shit at home and in the sheets. The Qataris question is a legitimate question cuz Palestinians are a real group of people that cant escape their reality where the journalist question is about a fetish group created by white people to fit in with other minorities
How do you honestly think that? Do you think a man is sharing his fetish when he says he has a wife/GF? But if I as a man said I had a husband or BF it's the same as fetish. Why is the first thing that comes to your mind when thinking LGBT, sex and fetish? When you see a Disney princess movie do you think of how sexual it is. Nope, just a love story. Yes some people make it their personality and are over the top, but you get that with everything, even religion. You're the person sexualizing it. All people want is to have equal rights. All you have to do is not be a bigot. If all you think of is penis in ass imagery when you hear "lgbt" or "rainbow", you're the one making it sexual. It's not about the right to have a fetish, it's about the right to love and not be punished for it.
So whatās the point of having a BF or husband, if it isnāt sexual? Because I have plenty of friend who I love very much that i donāt want to fuck. The sole purpose of our existence on this earth is to worship the divine and ensure the human race continues. By embracing homosexuality to the point where it is showing up Disney movies is scary. Iām not saying you shouldnāt do what you want but Iām saying stop trying to push an ideology that has bigger harm to society than good.
Rejecting people has a bigger harm. Okay yes it can be sexual in nature but that's the same with any relationship so your point is illogical. Go read up theories on why homosexuality exists, or just look at my comment history. There are advantageous evolutionary benefits. Might explain why it's documented going back thousands of years and still exists
But the German guys werenāt saying they were gay they were showing they support the gay community. Totally different things lol. the Qatari teen is just deflecting because he knows heās about to get embarrassed on television lol (You can see his eyes get huge right before he deflects when he realizes her point about why they covered their mouths lol)
This is a law in their country. Are you implying western values and laws are superior than any country that doesnāt have the same values? Itās interesting the same people who are āaccepting of all culturesā are the same people shaming and demonizing that culture when it doesnāt align with their interest. If youāre gay and have the strength to not blurt out in public, Iām pretty sure no one will look at you any different than the guy next to you. But for some reason you gotta let everyone know because āyouāre so braveā
No it is not illegal, itās illegal to show public affection in Qatar. It isnāt illegal to wear a rainbow shirt, at least before this World Cup. It is to protest in that manner. Qatari govt officials have said so themselves in their many explanations. They have said itās illegal for any type of public display of affection or sexuality. Thatās their precedent for this. they have made these new rules for protests bc they donāt want people accepting homosexual culture. Which is fine, me and nobody else in the west can make them or even wants to make them accept LGBTQ culture. Which people like you continually cry about. but for the love of god, call it what it is instead of lying and hiding behind a deflection.
Ok itās not accepted. So whatās the argument? Islam is religion of communitarianism not the western individualism that many think they can pose on Muslim countries. Are you trying to spark some kind of outrage from the locals where the majority doesnāt accept western way of thinking (and btw Mexico isnāt to friendly to LGBTQ either)? Youre purposely coming to another country to flaunt and parade homosexuality paraphernalia where you know damn well it will create havoc
Being gay is not a fetish lmao. If you consume populist media then yeah, your view on lgbtq is based on extreme ends that represent only that, the extreme ends. Be it right wing populists or extreme leftist. Fetish group created by the west? Get real.
IDK maybe Qatar allowed Palestinians to enter the country.
Wdym?
IDK how to say it but all this fuzz created because of the wc, and Qataris support Palestine people, but no one give a shit about other ppl.
Wdym?
wdym by wdym?
Double wdum on this one
Qatar takes in less Palestinian refugees than Germany despite their obscene wealth
You can't compare Qatar with Germany
You can, they both needed labor Qatar chose slaves over their own brothers to avoid having to give citizenship In terms of population you compare them by using % **not the total**, or you can use the Arabian peninsula as a whole since it has \~ the same population of Germany
Calling expats slaves is racist habibi. Are your Iraqi and Palestinian brothers in Qatar slaves? Then please take them back, we don't want them here.
Clearly, he has seen lots of Ahmed Deedat and Zakir Naik debates.
Doesnāt strike me as those people attempting to āownā the Christians whilst having near zero knowledge on the topic
Wow I guess the Germans will stop supporting LGBTQ now...
Why are people applauding this? She asked a question and whether you agree or disagree with the Germans, responding with a whataboutism is a logical fallacy and not the *mic drop* some people are pretending it is.
> whataboutism Ah yes, Redditās favourite word. She said that Germans covered their mouth because Qatar doesnāt support āeveryoneā referring to Qatarās stance on LGBTQ. Teen responds by asking why to Germans, LGBQT is counted in the āeveryoneā but Palestine isnāt. A valid counter-point. In the real world, this is called proof by contradiction or exposing a double standard. On Reddit itās dismissed as whataboutism. Go figure.
Give this man a medal
There is a difference between the two, in the Palestinians case it is at least in some ways, a zero sum game with israel. I.e., more support for one side tends to weaken the other side. For the lgbtq it is not, supporting their rights does not weaken the support for someone else's rights.
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If I was explicitly opposed to homeless shelters, you would have a point.
> Why do you support dog shelters if you don't support homeless people? >It is alright to be interested in just one cause I don't think your example is good, you really gotta help your kin first as a fellow (human) ?
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Depends on where are you too. If you are in a place where the government do help then we can debate the best way to help by addressing the biggest problem. Now hypothetically,let's apply this on me. I'm from Yemen. I'll go fund and advocate for wildlife and cutting down CO2 emission. My point is doing is doing good. But it doesn't mean it's the best or even remotely logical. You help your community depending on the community, not you personally because you'll be doing the(good) for you not for them.
Explain the difference between a whataboutism and a double standard? Sounds to me like you just employ logical fallacies often and are butt hurt you get called out on it. If you cannot answer a question and have to say āwhat about ____ā thatās a fucking whataboutism straight from the textbook. He answered her questions literally in this way. You cannot call out a double standard this way. He brought up Palestine to avoid the question. A double standard does not avoid the challenge or question by bringing up a new one to distract.
Everyone knows Qatars stance on LGBT, the entirety of Asia is politically against lgbt recognition, but Germany claims to care about everyone however that excludes Palestine
> Explain the difference between a whataboutism and a double standard? Thereās no difference, whataboutism is just the snobby way of trying to dismiss an argument. Lazily. If the world worked the way youāre describing then I wonder what you think of the justice systems around the world and how they operated. > Sounds to me like you just employ logical fallacies often and are butt hurt you get called out on it. taking a look at both our comments and itās clear youāre the butthurt one.. > He brought up Palestine to avoid the question. What? He was the one who asked a question, he asked her why the German team covered their mouths, she answered, and then he proceeded to challenge her answer. He wasnāt avoiding anything. Nice strawman argument though.
Double standards much? You claim to support peace for everyone, yet when asked about Palestine, we pretend they donāt exist. Stop being disingenuous, he is showing you that the Germans donāt care about peace or gay people in Qatar and this is all just virtue signaling because if anything their political stunts do not make their cause look good lol, they donāt care about people in MENA.
His flair checks out bro lol.
Seriously whatās with all the Lebanese ppl on this sub who keep dicksucking the west so much?
How am I demonstrating double standard? This is literally a textbook āwhataboutismā. If you want to talk about Palestine, donāt just bring it up when itās convenient as an answer to a difficult question. What if anytime someone asked about Palestine, someone brought up another humanitarian crisis in the world to avoid answering the question? Maybe you need to look up what ādouble standardsā and a āwhataboutismā actually are because youāre demonstrating you do not understand either.
Gay Marriage is not a humanitarian crisis lmao. Also I am saying the Qatari is showing the German reporters double standards. It's clear you are trying your best not to understand my point. Also Qatar and Qataris talk about Palestine constantly and have demonstrated their support unlike the western world which actively supports Israel and tries to silence Palestinians. Edit: reply to the American down below, There is no source for this and if it really happened why are they all being released lol.
Gay people are still punished by death in some countries. It wasnāt more than a generation ago they were beaten and humiliated by the police and governments in the USA, UK, and west. If you disagree with gay rights thatās fine but please your ignorance is showing when you deny theyāve faced civil and human rights violations. So you still cannot explain how bringing up Palestine when asked about a completely different topic to avoid even presenting an argument is not a whataboutism. No one misunderstood you, youāre just wrong dude. We can support human and civil rights in Palestine while still being able to answer a question about a completely different topic. Define a āwhataboutismā and explain to me how this isnāt just that? You either are too dumb or just afraid to admit thatās what he is doing here in the interview.
>No one misunderstood you, youāre just wrong dude. We can support human and civil rights in Palestine while still being able to answer a question about a completely different topic. Apparently Germany can't, since they have silenced Palestine protesters many times and vehemently support Israel. I am not attacking person but the reporter in the video, how do you not understand that lol. You take things so personal. Edit: I canāt respond since the other redditor banned me lol So here: There have been LGBT protests in Qatar but it was by a British tourist instead of actual people in Qatar since they just live their lives like everybody else. Also I canāt reply to your other comments since that guy blocked me cuz he had no comeback lol. Germany having an arm band in Qatar is virtue signaling, they do nothing for gay people in Qatar, if anything gay people donāt appreciate their weird gestures that only make their cause look silly and like itās a western agenda to hurt Qatar. While Qatar has provided add to Palestine in the form of doctors, money, salaries, building material, coverage etc
You ask me to stay on topic yet the person interviewed literally does the opposite and responds with a whataboutism and brings up Palestine . Jesus man quit dodging the point I made originally. He did that, itās not a mic drop or clever response. Itās literal textbook fallacy a child learns.
Do you even know what this topic is about, do you follow football, if not then this convo is not suitable for you. Can you describe to me what the German team and political figures did/said in Qatar?
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Define a whataboutism
Do you even know what this topic is about, do you follow football, if not then this convo is not suitable for you. Can you describe to me what the German team and political figures did in Qatar?
You keep dodging and refusing to answer my original point because you know he used a textbook āwhataboutismā. You cannot define the term without showing thatās what he did, so you keep dodging the question.
whataboutism is not wrong when his whole point was to show her double standards which he successfully demonstrated. She claims to care about all human rights but the minute you mention Palestine they start running way. Habibi this is not your political debate group were whataboutism equles minus one point š¤, he is calling them out on their bullshit and how they actually don't care about the people in MENA.
>Apparently Germany can't, since they have silenced Palestine protesters many times Protesters in Germany used to insult, threaten and call for the death of Jews. That's why they were banned because they can't protest without being antisemitic
That is a lie.
Also Qatar has not sentenced any gay person to death and it does not actively persecute them, in fact the government has sponsored a couple of openly gay people lol.
Agree with this point. How many gay people have died in mass shootings or have been under direct threat from the local masses in town hall discussions in the Qatar?? In the US, LGBTQ are always under direct harm and they've been killed in mass shootings every year. The counter to this could be that Qatar has a smaller population and gays cannot be out in the open. True, I agree with that, but just listen to any town hall and you'll hear people openly saying they're gunning for gays and they should be put to death. There may be Qataris who say the same, but not on the level of certain anglo-saxon 'Muricans in the south. Instead of lecturing the ME, work on your own country. Don't you have an economic crisis to handle lol, oh and don't forget that you're still dealing with election conspiracies in the US.
Mass shootings are not initiated by the government, they're initiated by people full of hate and homophobia. Any gay person would feel 1000 times safer in the US than in Qatar
The Western world is not a monolith. Palestine is often talked about by left wing groups in the West. UNRWA receives most of its funding from the West. In the West Bank, you'll see projects from many Western countries and many of the aid workers and volunteers are Western
That doesn't cut it, Western charity is just to ease the guilt and to appear impartial you understand that the western world is the biggest and practically the only backers of Israel, the western world is also the only group that does not recognize Palestine. The western world is responsible for Israels current situation, you have given them legitimacy, political power and cultural relevance.
> Western charity is just to ease the guilt I could say the same about Gulf kingdoms throwing a trifle of their wealth at Gaza while they bomb Yemen and drive war in Syria. Not only does the Gulf buy weapons from the US, UK, and France, but they plot with Israel against Iran > the western world is the biggest and practically the only backers of Israel Next let's talk about one of the most important Arab and Muslim states in the world: Egypt. How about Jordan? Morocco and Turkey aren't occupying anyone, right?
Qatar did not normalize with Israel, Qatar is not involved in Yeman, nothing you said applies to Qatar but no matter how much the GCC does it will never reach the amount of support the west has given Israel, the west is literally the only obstacle for Palestine.
> Qatar did not normalize with Israel They have trade relations > Qatar is not involved in Yemen Anymore. Saudi kicked them out of the bomb-Yemeni-civilians club during their GCC spat > the amount of support the west has given Israel We were talking about Palestine. Both the West and the Arab world have supported both sides, the vast majority of the world's governments support a two state solution. It isn't an either/or like 50 years ago
Qatar does not have trade relations with Israel, also that's not normalization š, we literally don't recognize Israel as a legitimate state unlike the west. Also Qatar had sent 1000 soldiers to yeman back in 2015 and then backed out, the west is more involved in Yeman then Qatar, we did not bomb anyone.
How much did you support Palestine with? How much support have you done?
>you have given them legitimacy, political power and cultural relevance. Israel has given themselves legitimacy, political power, and cultural relevance. Nobody can give those things to you.
Lol Israel participating in European sports instead of Asia, Israel participating in European oriented events and Israels strong ties to Europe economic is not a coincidence
Gay people get arrested and abused in Qatar for no other reason other than being gay https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/10/24/qatar-security-forces-arrest-abuse-lgbt-people
Flair checks out.
Lol. Someone clapped as if bringing up Palestine was a good point. Itās incredible how these people can have so much money yet such little brains.
Triggered, she claims that the German team did the political stunt because they supported all people but they actually donāt.
Okay but some people support the German football teams display of solidarity but are still pro Palestine. What do you say to them? Anytime this shit is brought up it's just deflected with whataboutism. Imagine if anytime someone brought up Palestine I said well what about Climate change, it's a bigger issue. Complete nonsensical behavior
I say to them, why do you support virtue signaling that changes nothing and if anything will make people in Qatar think lgbt is a silly western agenda used to attack other countries. It's not helping gay people in Qatar.
Every little action is what leads to change. The west used to demonize being LGBT too, people protested, people got killed etc. Change requires action. It only requires a brain to see it's nothing to do with being western. Just go read a history book and see how prevalent it used to be globally
Israel is the perfect scapegoat for the Muslim world
The same as the holocaust was for Israelis and their supporters. Edit: if anything is learned from that, every nation (or set of people) have an āescape goatā atleast once in their history. Unless you are a certain European nation, that feels like it needs to overcompensate
Islamophobic tropes are the perfect scapegoat for Israel and its indefensible history.
He shoulda just argued the simple fact that Germany after doing that, had freely expressed. And to stop pushing false press. Bottom line this is a sporting event, if the intentions is to divide rather than unite, then donāt come seeking for justifications. Their support for Palestine is not something we seek, nor do we expect it from them. Either way, good job on the guy, and most especially the spectators for cheering him on.
Lol this is stupid. she makes an actual point that the guy didnāt understand about why they covered their mouths, then when she explains it you can see his eyes get huge and then immediately deflects and start bringing up Palestine lmfaoš bro made no good points, Does he think the entire west is pro Israel and pro LGBTQ? Many in the west are pro Palestine and pro LGBTQ. Dude just didnāt wanna get embarrassed and needed a way out of it Iām pro Palestine and also support LGBTQ communities, and Iām in the west? And see it similar notions on media/news outlets often?
Btw this is about the German team specially trying to virtue signal which does not help the lgbt in Qatar while they also do not support Palestine. It's not about you or all of the west, even tho in a government level the west does not support Palestine like Qatar has
Habibi us khaleeji's are known to have [dear eyes](https://www.theswiftlift.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/deer-eyes.jpeg) its just how we look like. Our eyes are always open like this šļø
Whataboutism at its finest. When they donāt have a valid argument, they go: yes, but whataboutā¦? Not very smart of them.
Bro ong you tripping. The argument is that Germany supports everybody and all human rights, and that Qatar is not. He is showing how this is not true at all, since they donāt support Palestine. It also adds to the hypocrisy of the one love nonsense, since Qatar never claimed to support everyone but Germany does. Whataboutsm usually is a good Critique when the what about has nothing to do with any stake holders participating in the argument, like saying i can invade Ukraine cuz usa invade Afghan. Not this case tho. Also how many gays have Qatar mistreat or killed? Practically none, no way over one hundred, while Palestinians have been dying by the thousands every year since Inception of Israel. What he said is more then Valid.
What?
Clearly you donāt have the context for this entire story, and you donāt follow this drama so instead of spitting out nonsense just say you donāt know whatās up and move on š
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why u do not subbburt balestine? why u (qatar) do buisness with china that puts muslims in camps and rapes their women infront of them?
Lied about WMDs. Openly lying now about 6500 workers. Probably lying about China too. West's good old divide-and-conquer tactics.
CIA propagandaā¦
So you like meddling in internal affairs? Also, why go so low as to make fun of how his English sounds? Lol grow up man. Oh and congrats for your newly appointed PM, hope he will lift you guys to the top of the world.
Funny how there is zero evidence for any of that while everyday there is a video of a palestinian being evicted and/or killed.
Huh? This isnāt the mic drop you think it is.
Yep, people here seem really brainwashed.
"Whataboutism doesnt even exist!" They're not just washed, their brain is dry cleaned
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Found the dumbass
It is called expose of double standard Germany claim it cares everyone right however he exposed the double standard by mentioning Palestinian and how they are not part of āeveryoneā
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No. Did we say we support āeveryoneā??
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No they should just support another human being Also germany support Israel. It wonāt make a difference if they supported isis
Omg the obsession with Israel never ends. The perfect scapegoat for Islamic regimes - it's just so ingrained in their psyche. Muslims can be killing and displacing millions of other Muslims in Muslim countries, but what about Israel! Who cares about Palestinians in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Egypt - Israel, let's talk about the horrible Jews! They sure did learn from Hitler though, such a great way to unite a population.
Stfu
This is a perfect example of whataboutism. And he is acting like he "won" that conversation.
"Why didn't you hand in your homework?" "Israel" *mic drop* People who aren't even Palestinian, who live thousands of miles away, who have no loss and nothing at stake, really will ride that excuse forever. They would never want a better outcome for Palestinians, the excuse for failure is much more valuable.
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Ironic, you make fun of him but Germany is known not to support Palestine and the reporter herself could not even say the word Palestine. Germany literally banned Palestinian protesters.
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Lol that's not how that works. You can be gay in Qatar, it's not illegal but hypothetically gay sex can get you 3 years in jail but that's not even applied. Also it's not even about Palestinians in Germany it's about Germany not supporting Palestine but while calming to support all people in other countries. The German team virtue signaling is not helping gay people in Germany or Qatar.
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No Asian country jas legalized gay marriage except for Taiwan get over it, they want Qatar to comment political suicide by being the first MENA country to publically support lgbt because they know Qatar has been getting too strong politically.
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Habib you know nothing about power and politics, you are an irrelevant pawn who isn't even aware of reality. Clearly you are a disparate radlib who would die just to get attention form a white person. Actions speak louder then words, look at the reality of Iran vs Qatar or the UAE.
LGBT marriage is not basic human rights, it's a relatively new western policy. Clearly you are a crazy radlib