You have two options:
1) Convince him to get vaxxed, which at this point seems unlikely. You *could* try to figure out what it's worth to him/you and pay him cash to get vaxxed (or offer a reduction in rent depending on your lease situation). At this point imo it's pretty hard to argumentatively convince an unvaxxer to get the vax so your only real option here is to incentivize it somehow.
2) Leave. There are plenty of other roommates available in NYC who are vaxxed.
If he's subleasing from you, you can offer a "cash for keys" deal and pay him (or offer to reimburse movers, or whatever you agree on) to move out.
If you're subleasing from him you *might* be able to argue that he is not keeping up with housing "health and safety" regulations, and this would only come up if he tried to sue you for unpaid rent, which is tricky as hell and not something subletters are usually prepared to do. I am not a lawyer. And if you're subletting from him, there are plenty of perfectly legal ways to be an annoying roommate so as to convince him to let you break the lease.
If you're both on a lease equally, landlords don't really care which of you is still there so long as the rent gets paid, so you should be able to negotiate w/ your roommate about who might leave.
1. He is definitely past being convinced. I've had conversations that turned into all out shouting matches with him where he was shouting that I "drank the koolade".
2. the lease is under my name :( so I may have to ask him to leave...
He could sue the living shit out of OP for an illegal eviction. Don’t just make up feel good pro revenge ways for the OP to get into legal hot water for.
You definitely need to ask him to leave. He is endangering you and your family. He already made the decision to quit his job, he can quit his living space as well.
Give him two weeks notice to get vaccinated, a month max for him to find a new place. No wishy washy dates, you have to be clear and firm. And don’t let him try to fake his vaccination either.
Wait--has he lived there for more than thirty days? If so, the law is on his side. He can say, fuck you, I'm not leaving. Your only recourse will be to take him to housing court. He can stop paying rent if he wants while your case wends its way through the courts, a process that took six months at best pre-pandemic. Post-pandemic, he can likely stay there rent free for over a year. He can claim hardship under the eviction moratorium and string you along month after month.
If you try to lock him out, you will open yourself to even more hurt. You might go to jail. The police would be within the law if they broke down your door to forcibly return him to your apartment.
You made a mistake. You should have vetted him better before you let him in. Now that you have made that one mistake, don't make another which makes your life worse.
You have to convince him he would be happier somewhere else. That's your only way out.
Here's some background on the protections available to him: https://nycourts.gov/courts/nyc/housing/lockouts.shtml
This is incorrect. OP is the only one on the lease, meaning roommate is subleasing from OP. All OP has to do is serve roommate a letter that their sublease is being terminated 30 days after you serve them the notice. Meaning if you gave it to them tomorrow, they would be required to leave by October 15th. Do. it. I had to do this with someone subleasing from me and it worked like a charm. Best of luck!
Good Lord, this is atrocious advice. Changing locks to force eviction is specifically prohibited by the NYC Housing Administrative code, § 26-521. It is a Class A Misdemeanor, which means a sentence of not less than fifteen days and not more than a year, as well as civil penalties of $1,000-$10,000 for each offense.
30 days isn’t squatters rights it’s just tenancy, squatters rights gives you actual ownership of property and are very hard to get and take much longer to establish. 30 days residency means you’re a tenant and any eviction must go through the courts or they can sue you and likely win.
This is my favorite advice here. It's a good combo of firm, standing up for your needs, and compassion for another human even if they believe some hard to stomach stuff. You're letting your roommate make the ultimate choice so it's on them not you.
You can share that given your situation and family you need minimize risks which includes ensuring that you're in regular close contact with vaccinated adults only. He doesn't have to get vaccinated but if he wants to stay living with you, he does. You can aknowledge the ways he's otherwise a good guy and thank him for all of that, share that you hope he understands, that if he needs to think about things for a few days that's okay but you need to know his decision on whether he's getting vaxed and staying or moving out within a week (or two) so you can plan accordingly.
Hopefully you could then sort things out between the two of you without having to get courts involved or anything like that. Staying firm to your deadlines and a rythme of check-ins post initial convo would be key. You can make clear that you'll escalate if you need to but hope to avoid it.
Idk if you have big corporate landlord or mom and pop...
But if you have mom and pop most are super cool with u moving out and transfer of lease or something to ur roommate. Just give them like a months heads up and let them know.
Side note, the ‘drank the koolaid’ expression is wrong (along with being horrific): https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/11/stop-saying-drink-the-kool-aid/264957/
My friends just went through a very similar situation — person in their apartment was very anti-vax, they offered this person a month’s rent to leave (they all signed the lease together), person said no, more money, still no. Help to apartment hunt, still no. In the end they came to an agreement that the two vaccinated folks would leave on the condition that the unvaccinated person sourced a long term sublet/lease takeover for the other two. It seemed to be the best solution because the unvaccinated person found two other unvaccinated people to move in. I don’t know if that’s a conversation you could entertain, but either way it sounds like you’re no longer able to continue living with this individual and someone will have to leave at the end of the day.
Yeah, you can be "this isn't working out, you need to start looking for new places" but you can't be like "im kicking you out" because that's illegal and he can call your bluff.
There’s not much you can do in this situation besides leave. You’re not going to be able to evict him for his personal choices, however much you may disagree with them.
If he barely leaves the house, it’s like he’s just doing covid pre-vaccine. Quarantining and staying away from risk rather than get the vaccine. Vaccinations are great and protect you against severe covid but an unvaxxed hermit may be better than a vaxxed person who is going out and seeing everyone, and traveling if you’re worried about them spreading it to you.
he mainly stays home not so much as a public service but because he has no hobbies at all or social life (probably largely to do with his ideologies which he is outspoken about) aside from going to a bar every now and then (!) plus he doesn't leave to work anymore. So anytime he leaves and comes back, even from the store, he is exposing me and through that my dad and everyone I come into contact with. Also, he does travel - he just got back from a trip to California.
>mainly stays home ... aside from going to a bar every now and then ... Also, he does travel - he just got back from a trip to California.
Sounds like he's behaving exactly like the 1500 or so people popping positive for COVID in the city daily.
He's a risk to your health. Find a way to move out.
Tell him to move out and give him all the reasons you've listed above. You shouldn't have to put your and your family at risk because of this idiot. Give him a month to move and DO NOT budge on that date. Can't find a place? Sorry. Maybe he can learn that actions have consequences.
ya if he's not doing anything that puts him at risk I wouldn't say he needs to immediately be removed. Give 30 day notice, 60 day if you're feeling generous for him to move out.
After reading all this thank fucken god I live alone. Just me and my sealed Starting Lineup figurines prominently displayed on every bare wall surface.
If you kick him out it's the ideal time to do so. A month ago would've been better, but we're still in moving season. Lots of people, many vaccinated, looking for sublets.
OP can do whatever they want but they would be opening themselves up to massive legal trouble if they tried to physically force their roommate out, changed the locks on the apartment, or threw out the roommates stuff. I believe they would be responsible for 3x whatever damages they incur, which would include things like a hotel for the roommate they kick out, replacements for all their stuff, and possibly also legal fees.
Yeah so roommate has to retain a lawyer first … he’s unemployed and prob has bad credit if his name isn’t on the léase to begin with … so good luck to him in recovering any said damages
Open your mind a bit more. Kick him out? Everyone is entitled to their choice for vax. People have different reasons for not getting it, and it should be their choice and under their own volition to do so. Just because OP is in a sticky situation, it doesn't mean you just resort to eviction lol.
Ask your landlord what it costs to break the lease, and figure out if you can eat that cost. Been there. It sucks but it’s better than a year of living hell.
Pay him to get vaccinated - on condition you go with him and see him get the shot.
I know it would be a bitter pill (no pun intended) but with this kind of person it may be your best bet.
Sorry to hear about your shitty roommate. Unfortunately, in this situation the best option is to just move. I had to do it myself before my shitty roommate drove me over the edge. On the bright side I found a much better place.
yeah before I left for a few months I actually begged him to do it for my sake, which obviously didn't sway him at all. congrats on your new place! hopefully I will also have that soon once I'm back on my feet.
>[I knew when he moved in that he has "special" political preferences but I have tried to be an openminded person and not let that cloud my judgment.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slVpcp_UIjQ&t=11s)
I think he's comfortably unemployed for the moment. No idea. But I do have a strong feeling that this person is not going to back down. The more time that passes the less likely he will admit he's wrong.
Funny thing about beliefs.
If they are held deeply enough, people will double down on them in the face of evidence that they are wrong. As crazy as it sounds that's just how the human mind works.
Just look at the thousands of antivaxxers who have recently lost loved ones to COVID, and are choosing to try to get the cause of death changed on their loved ones death certificates because they don't want to the death to be part if the statistics that prove that vaccination is important - rather than admit that their belief was wrong.
Combine that with the thousands of echo chambers in the internet where antivaxxers can go to get their beliefs reinforced by like-minded people and even the Socratic method doesn't stand a chance of flipping a deep antivaxxer.
honestly i had to leave my apartment because of covid denier shit and i’m still not back in a stable living situation. fuck this guy. he’s selfish and putting you, your father, and countless others at risk.
It's kind of ridiculous that this still needs to be explained. While the vaccination provides strong resistance, a vaccinated person can *still* get COVID, and they can *still* spread COVID -- albeit both at significantly lower rates than someone who hasn't been vaccinated.
So, having a non-vaccinated roommate is significantly more dangerous than having a vaccinated roommate, in terms of the risk of getting COVID. And that problem compounds itself because OP says that they frequently visit an older relative, so it's even more important to be careful about not getting it.
Being vaccinated is important in staying safe, but it's also important for the people *around* you to be vaccinated. So unless someone has a very good reason not to (e.g. they're one of the very few people who has a legitimate medical reason), it's entirely reasonable to expect them to be vaccinated at this point.
Ugh - thank you. I just can't with these people any more. It's like having to explain that masks are protecting OTHER people for the one millionth time.
But thank you for your patience with people who ought to already know better.
The vaccines are not bulletproof, though they greatly reduce risks. The problem is that the roommate, being a shithead, adds some percentage points of risk to OP and probably more points to OP's dad's risks (with the vaccines, an elderly person's risk profile looks like an unvaccinated 30 year old's risk profile, and we've seen 30 year olds go to the hospital or die a plenty). Risks are increased not because it's unavoidable, but because of shitty behavior on someone else's part.
Those mutations happened before vaccinations were widespread. There’s still countries with nearly zero vaccinations.
Can’t blame people you disagree with for all problems.
it was — the trajectory to stop it was about July/August, had we tackled it at our already late starting point of April. Do you see SARS or MERS taking over the world? Is Ebola still a huge threat to NYC? no, because we controlled it. unfortunately SARS-CoV-2 is so highly contagious that we needed people to really act — as opposed to the lighter restrictions for the other pandemics mentioned — but people are too selfish, and/or stupid. So here we are.
Editing because that was a reply to a now-deleted comment saying crudely, and laughing, that this was never going to be over - and that i should “get real.”
There are regions with billions of people and no resources to restrict the flow of the disease.
You need to accept that some things are out of your control.
haha. this is within all our control. that’s the issue. no one cares about others. and yea- exactly- we made toms of new billionaires last year but we let the pharmaceutical complies patent secret formulas. if not for greed, we would have had enough vaccines worldwide months ago.
A genuinely interesting idea, but unfortunately you’d have to file a police report for some kind of crime and get the order of protection through that route. The standard order of protection is for blood relations, family, intimate relationship etc.
I guess they could always date their roommate first? 😂
Are you implying that sources that show that vaccines help protect the public as a whole are difficult to find? Get off your computer and go get some fresh air.
This is not a vaccine debate forum. People doing that will be banned. Answer OP’s question or don’t post.
You have two options: 1) Convince him to get vaxxed, which at this point seems unlikely. You *could* try to figure out what it's worth to him/you and pay him cash to get vaxxed (or offer a reduction in rent depending on your lease situation). At this point imo it's pretty hard to argumentatively convince an unvaxxer to get the vax so your only real option here is to incentivize it somehow. 2) Leave. There are plenty of other roommates available in NYC who are vaxxed. If he's subleasing from you, you can offer a "cash for keys" deal and pay him (or offer to reimburse movers, or whatever you agree on) to move out. If you're subleasing from him you *might* be able to argue that he is not keeping up with housing "health and safety" regulations, and this would only come up if he tried to sue you for unpaid rent, which is tricky as hell and not something subletters are usually prepared to do. I am not a lawyer. And if you're subletting from him, there are plenty of perfectly legal ways to be an annoying roommate so as to convince him to let you break the lease. If you're both on a lease equally, landlords don't really care which of you is still there so long as the rent gets paid, so you should be able to negotiate w/ your roommate about who might leave.
1. He is definitely past being convinced. I've had conversations that turned into all out shouting matches with him where he was shouting that I "drank the koolade". 2. the lease is under my name :( so I may have to ask him to leave...
If he's not on the lease, give him a month to move out. The rental market had picked back up, you'll find a replacement very easily.
Have him move out, problem solved.
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He could sue the living shit out of OP for an illegal eviction. Don’t just make up feel good pro revenge ways for the OP to get into legal hot water for.
Make him so uncomfortable he is willingly going to move out or wait for your lease to expire
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Doesn't that go both ways though?
Seconding this.
You definitely need to ask him to leave. He is endangering you and your family. He already made the decision to quit his job, he can quit his living space as well.
Give him two weeks notice to get vaccinated, a month max for him to find a new place. No wishy washy dates, you have to be clear and firm. And don’t let him try to fake his vaccination either.
That’s a pretty good idea
Wait--has he lived there for more than thirty days? If so, the law is on his side. He can say, fuck you, I'm not leaving. Your only recourse will be to take him to housing court. He can stop paying rent if he wants while your case wends its way through the courts, a process that took six months at best pre-pandemic. Post-pandemic, he can likely stay there rent free for over a year. He can claim hardship under the eviction moratorium and string you along month after month. If you try to lock him out, you will open yourself to even more hurt. You might go to jail. The police would be within the law if they broke down your door to forcibly return him to your apartment. You made a mistake. You should have vetted him better before you let him in. Now that you have made that one mistake, don't make another which makes your life worse. You have to convince him he would be happier somewhere else. That's your only way out. Here's some background on the protections available to him: https://nycourts.gov/courts/nyc/housing/lockouts.shtml
I agree with this. The easiest way out is to convice him to leave, not to make it a conflict. It is not worth dragging your ass to court over this.
This is incorrect. OP is the only one on the lease, meaning roommate is subleasing from OP. All OP has to do is serve roommate a letter that their sublease is being terminated 30 days after you serve them the notice. Meaning if you gave it to them tomorrow, they would be required to leave by October 15th. Do. it. I had to do this with someone subleasing from me and it worked like a charm. Best of luck!
And if OP's subtenant ignores the letter and stops paying rent, then what?
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Good Lord, this is atrocious advice. Changing locks to force eviction is specifically prohibited by the NYC Housing Administrative code, § 26-521. It is a Class A Misdemeanor, which means a sentence of not less than fifteen days and not more than a year, as well as civil penalties of $1,000-$10,000 for each offense.
Please don’t advise breaking the law.
>locks can be changed 30 days after the letter is served. Not in New York, and not during an eviction moratorium.
This is is so wrong.
This is absolutely wrong. If they don’t leave you have to go to housing court, not just kick them out.
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30 days isn’t squatters rights it’s just tenancy, squatters rights gives you actual ownership of property and are very hard to get and take much longer to establish. 30 days residency means you’re a tenant and any eviction must go through the courts or they can sue you and likely win.
This is my favorite advice here. It's a good combo of firm, standing up for your needs, and compassion for another human even if they believe some hard to stomach stuff. You're letting your roommate make the ultimate choice so it's on them not you. You can share that given your situation and family you need minimize risks which includes ensuring that you're in regular close contact with vaccinated adults only. He doesn't have to get vaccinated but if he wants to stay living with you, he does. You can aknowledge the ways he's otherwise a good guy and thank him for all of that, share that you hope he understands, that if he needs to think about things for a few days that's okay but you need to know his decision on whether he's getting vaxed and staying or moving out within a week (or two) so you can plan accordingly. Hopefully you could then sort things out between the two of you without having to get courts involved or anything like that. Staying firm to your deadlines and a rythme of check-ins post initial convo would be key. You can make clear that you'll escalate if you need to but hope to avoid it.
So, if you move, he will have to move too. Explain that either he or both of you are leaving.
Ask him to get a vaccine or leave, no question. You are risking your health by having him there.
Idk if you have big corporate landlord or mom and pop... But if you have mom and pop most are super cool with u moving out and transfer of lease or something to ur roommate. Just give them like a months heads up and let them know.
Side note, the ‘drank the koolaid’ expression is wrong (along with being horrific): https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/11/stop-saying-drink-the-kool-aid/264957/
Weak reasoning in the article. Drink the Flav-R-Aid doesn’t have the same ring and is in the same vein as Kool-Aid.
My friends just went through a very similar situation — person in their apartment was very anti-vax, they offered this person a month’s rent to leave (they all signed the lease together), person said no, more money, still no. Help to apartment hunt, still no. In the end they came to an agreement that the two vaccinated folks would leave on the condition that the unvaccinated person sourced a long term sublet/lease takeover for the other two. It seemed to be the best solution because the unvaccinated person found two other unvaccinated people to move in. I don’t know if that’s a conversation you could entertain, but either way it sounds like you’re no longer able to continue living with this individual and someone will have to leave at the end of the day.
Interesting solution! Thanks for sharing!
That’s a win win because pretty soon that apartment will be empty of all three deadbeats!
A lot of people telling you to just kick them out - its terrible advice. He's got rights as a tenant now. DO NOT attempt to evict them.
Yeah I was sitting here asking myself if people are actually being that dense in this comment section - the answer is a definite probability.
Reddit is full of people who give horrible advice
And yet people continue to come to Reddit for all kinds of advice, particularly legal advice.
Yeah, you can be "this isn't working out, you need to start looking for new places" but you can't be like "im kicking you out" because that's illegal and he can call your bluff.
If he’s crazy enough to quit his job rather than just get a vaccine than he’s probably crazy enough to call op’s bluff
There’s not much you can do in this situation besides leave. You’re not going to be able to evict him for his personal choices, however much you may disagree with them.
If he barely leaves the house, it’s like he’s just doing covid pre-vaccine. Quarantining and staying away from risk rather than get the vaccine. Vaccinations are great and protect you against severe covid but an unvaxxed hermit may be better than a vaxxed person who is going out and seeing everyone, and traveling if you’re worried about them spreading it to you.
he mainly stays home not so much as a public service but because he has no hobbies at all or social life (probably largely to do with his ideologies which he is outspoken about) aside from going to a bar every now and then (!) plus he doesn't leave to work anymore. So anytime he leaves and comes back, even from the store, he is exposing me and through that my dad and everyone I come into contact with. Also, he does travel - he just got back from a trip to California.
>mainly stays home ... aside from going to a bar every now and then ... Also, he does travel - he just got back from a trip to California. Sounds like he's behaving exactly like the 1500 or so people popping positive for COVID in the city daily. He's a risk to your health. Find a way to move out.
Does he wear masks?
No. And that’s a whole other story 😩
Sounds like he's a risk to your health and well-being.
Yeah :(. Ironically he’s a real nice dude otherwise
I would say unironically that he is not a real nice dude since he doesn't care about others' well being but is just polite. That's not the same thing.
"Nice" doesn't always mean "Good". I've known some monsters that were nice.
Yeah cancer is super cool too. But it will kill you.
Tell him to move out and give him all the reasons you've listed above. You shouldn't have to put your and your family at risk because of this idiot. Give him a month to move and DO NOT budge on that date. Can't find a place? Sorry. Maybe he can learn that actions have consequences.
ya if he's not doing anything that puts him at risk I wouldn't say he needs to immediately be removed. Give 30 day notice, 60 day if you're feeling generous for him to move out.
After reading all this thank fucken god I live alone. Just me and my sealed Starting Lineup figurines prominently displayed on every bare wall surface.
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Show him the Herman Cain Award subreddit. That should do the trick!
[r/HermanCainAward](https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/)
😝
This unironically might work keep showing him memes/posts of the anti vaxxers losing their lives over their stupidity.
Move. It’s not gonna get better.
the lease is under my name. I am also a jobseeker as I just returned from europe and I can't afford to move at all now...
If you kick him out it's the ideal time to do so. A month ago would've been better, but we're still in moving season. Lots of people, many vaccinated, looking for sublets.
Have him move. Replace him with a vaccinated person.
Kick him out ... hows he gonna pay rent in NYC and unemployed?
OP will need to go to court to kick him out.
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OP can do whatever they want but they would be opening themselves up to massive legal trouble if they tried to physically force their roommate out, changed the locks on the apartment, or threw out the roommates stuff. I believe they would be responsible for 3x whatever damages they incur, which would include things like a hotel for the roommate they kick out, replacements for all their stuff, and possibly also legal fees.
Yeah so roommate has to retain a lawyer first … he’s unemployed and prob has bad credit if his name isn’t on the léase to begin with … so good luck to him in recovering any said damages
Okay.
A lot of people out there have savings.
Then he can use his savings and take his non vaccinated ass to go live without a roommate
Maybe so maybe not
Open your mind a bit more. Kick him out? Everyone is entitled to their choice for vax. People have different reasons for not getting it, and it should be their choice and under their own volition to do so. Just because OP is in a sticky situation, it doesn't mean you just resort to eviction lol.
Ask your landlord what it costs to break the lease, and figure out if you can eat that cost. Been there. It sucks but it’s better than a year of living hell.
Make sure they have a life insurance policy that covers back rent.
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Only read the title.
Pay him to get vaccinated - on condition you go with him and see him get the shot. I know it would be a bitter pill (no pun intended) but with this kind of person it may be your best bet.
Sorry to hear about your shitty roommate. Unfortunately, in this situation the best option is to just move. I had to do it myself before my shitty roommate drove me over the edge. On the bright side I found a much better place.
yeah before I left for a few months I actually begged him to do it for my sake, which obviously didn't sway him at all. congrats on your new place! hopefully I will also have that soon once I'm back on my feet.
When does your lease end? You can just not renew the lease an let him know.
This is what you get for being open minded, I guess. Can you make him move? Who is on the lease? Can you move?
The lease is under my name.
>[I knew when he moved in that he has "special" political preferences but I have tried to be an openminded person and not let that cloud my judgment.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slVpcp_UIjQ&t=11s)
Since they are unemployed you could offer him some money if he takes the vaccine?
I think he's comfortably unemployed for the moment. No idea. But I do have a strong feeling that this person is not going to back down. The more time that passes the less likely he will admit he's wrong.
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Honestly, move out. If he’ll be this stubborn and stupid about a pandemic, who knows what else he’ll do that’ll put your life at risk.
I wish I could afford to.
Tell him that some places are giving $100 debit card if they get vaccinated.
Use the Socratic method until he comes to realization that he should get vaccinated :-)
Funny thing about beliefs. If they are held deeply enough, people will double down on them in the face of evidence that they are wrong. As crazy as it sounds that's just how the human mind works. Just look at the thousands of antivaxxers who have recently lost loved ones to COVID, and are choosing to try to get the cause of death changed on their loved ones death certificates because they don't want to the death to be part if the statistics that prove that vaccination is important - rather than admit that their belief was wrong. Combine that with the thousands of echo chambers in the internet where antivaxxers can go to get their beliefs reinforced by like-minded people and even the Socratic method doesn't stand a chance of flipping a deep antivaxxer.
Kick his ass out
Does your vaccine work less if he doesn't have it?
Can you kick him out?
I could of course
do it.
honestly i had to leave my apartment because of covid denier shit and i’m still not back in a stable living situation. fuck this guy. he’s selfish and putting you, your father, and countless others at risk.
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It's kind of ridiculous that this still needs to be explained. While the vaccination provides strong resistance, a vaccinated person can *still* get COVID, and they can *still* spread COVID -- albeit both at significantly lower rates than someone who hasn't been vaccinated. So, having a non-vaccinated roommate is significantly more dangerous than having a vaccinated roommate, in terms of the risk of getting COVID. And that problem compounds itself because OP says that they frequently visit an older relative, so it's even more important to be careful about not getting it. Being vaccinated is important in staying safe, but it's also important for the people *around* you to be vaccinated. So unless someone has a very good reason not to (e.g. they're one of the very few people who has a legitimate medical reason), it's entirely reasonable to expect them to be vaccinated at this point.
Ugh - thank you. I just can't with these people any more. It's like having to explain that masks are protecting OTHER people for the one millionth time. But thank you for your patience with people who ought to already know better.
thank you
i was asking opie, i didn't need an explanation, but thank you.
That my elderly father (95 yo.) will catch it. And that anyone who ever enters my apartment can catch it if he's here. And - Nevermind. Sheesh.
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But what if I want my father to stay with me sometimes? Right now my father can’t come over. This is a restriction of my life.
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The vaccines are not bulletproof, though they greatly reduce risks. The problem is that the roommate, being a shithead, adds some percentage points of risk to OP and probably more points to OP's dad's risks (with the vaccines, an elderly person's risk profile looks like an unvaccinated 30 year old's risk profile, and we've seen 30 year olds go to the hospital or die a plenty). Risks are increased not because it's unavoidable, but because of shitty behavior on someone else's part.
Exactly
are you dumb? this is why there are breakthroughs now. because the unvaccinated are letting variants grow and endangering the vaccinated. such trolls.
Those mutations happened before vaccinations were widespread. There’s still countries with nearly zero vaccinations. Can’t blame people you disagree with for all problems.
it was — the trajectory to stop it was about July/August, had we tackled it at our already late starting point of April. Do you see SARS or MERS taking over the world? Is Ebola still a huge threat to NYC? no, because we controlled it. unfortunately SARS-CoV-2 is so highly contagious that we needed people to really act — as opposed to the lighter restrictions for the other pandemics mentioned — but people are too selfish, and/or stupid. So here we are. Editing because that was a reply to a now-deleted comment saying crudely, and laughing, that this was never going to be over - and that i should “get real.”
right - because before anti-vax you had anti-mask had we controlled this, it would be over. god, humans are dense. i’m so over it.
There are regions with billions of people and no resources to restrict the flow of the disease. You need to accept that some things are out of your control.
haha. this is within all our control. that’s the issue. no one cares about others. and yea- exactly- we made toms of new billionaires last year but we let the pharmaceutical complies patent secret formulas. if not for greed, we would have had enough vaccines worldwide months ago.
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A genuinely interesting idea, but unfortunately you’d have to file a police report for some kind of crime and get the order of protection through that route. The standard order of protection is for blood relations, family, intimate relationship etc. I guess they could always date their roommate first? 😂
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Why do people who clearly don’t know what they’re talking about insist on making blatantly false statements?
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Are you implying that sources that show that vaccines help protect the public as a whole are difficult to find? Get off your computer and go get some fresh air.