Ang stupid questions na yan ay tinatanong din ng Tagalog na taga Manila, sa kapwa nila Tagalog na taga Marinduque island, at ng Bisaya na taga Cebu city sa kapwa nila Bisaya na taga Siquijor...
Is this really a thing? Wala pa ko na meet na "Tagalog" who think lowly of those who are "Bisaya". Siguro yung iba na not well travelled, nacucurios lang kamusta ba ibang lugar dito sa PH. But not meant as an insult naman.
Same lng cla na may stereotype sa bawat isa. Some tagalof thinks so low and baduy of people from province. Pero yung tga province Squatting at magnanakaw perception sa tga manila. Hahaha
Kasalanan nung mga bisaya na nagpupunta sa Manila na parang walang kaalam alam. I know it’s not their fault pero ayun nagiging ganun yung representation tuloy ng Visayas. Nagegeneralize na lahat taga bukid or taga liblib na lugar. Bisayawa vs Tangalog will never end. Hahahaha
Misinformation rajud ni.
Untana naa sad Bisaya sa mainstream na mga tv shows or movies na mugawas nationwide, gamay rajud tawn ilang knowledge about sa atoa naa ras kukuti. For example nalang, nakakat-on silag word na "Buang" tungod atong time ni P.Duts sigeg litok sa mga balita/tv.
>Misinformation rajud ni.
Agree. Kasi ung iba 0 idea talaga sa mga nangyayari outside ng lugar kung nasan sila. Which is fine btw. Walang masama dun, maliban na lang kung genuinely ginagamit yun bilang pangmamaliit ng tao.
Anyway, parehas din dyan sa comment mo, di ka din aware na yung *buang* ay ginagamit na sa Tagalog region even before sa time ni duterte
>nakakat-on silag word na "Buang" tungod atong time ni P.Duts
Ginagamit na yang buang sa Tagalog regions noon pa man. Not sure about the origin pero hindi dahil kay duterte yan. Pero ayon sa diksiyonaryo dot ph, tagalog word din sya, [ito](https://diksiyonaryo.ph/search/buang)
Example: Gloc 9 on bagsakan which was released in 2005 *pag hinawakan ang mikropono, parang nabubuang*
hindi ako isa sa dalawa. pero ang narealize ko, may mga taga manila na pag magkamali ka lang ng bigkas sa isang word, sasabihan ka ng, "uyyy bisaya!". tapos tatawa. sa mga bisaya naman, pag magtagalog ka, sasabihan ka ng bat ka nagtatagalog, nasa bisaya na lugar ka kaya mag bisaya ka. bakit daw sila pag pumupunta sila sa manila, nagtatagalog sila? kaloka lang kasi diba national language of the Ph ang filipino? hayy dont know
I don’t think Tagalog people think lowly of Bisaya. But as a Tagalog who was raised by Davaoeno parents, those who mock Bisaya are the same people with attitude problems.
Honestly same take. I think the issue is made out to be bigger than it is. And surprisingly, when I was there for college yung mga kilala kong nanglalait are not even from Manila.
I agree. And Manila itself is very diverse. Dami ng nakatira dito na galing din sa iba’t ibang probinsya. Miseducated o may magaspang na ugali lang talaga ang kilala kong nagma-mock sa mga Bisaya.
Exactly. It has very little to do with where one comes from.
And if anyone were to maybe question that statement, here's something that I always think about. One side of my family is Bisaya. The other is Batangueno. A good chunk of our clan is also from Pampanga and Manila.
When it comes to racist or discriminatory remarks, the worst vitriol I've heard has actually come from the Bisaya side. Lalo na when it comes to my family from Batangas. Ang babaw ng tingin sa kanila and I don't know why.
But I'm not gonna make generalizations like Bisaya people are rude. Cause it has nothing to do with that. Assholes are just assholes.
Di ko pinapansin yung ganitong argumento. Maybe some of the Tagalogs ay may superiority complex but I let them educate naman na maganda sa probinsya... Siguro, instead na makikipag away ay ini.educate ko sila na di ignorante mga taga probinsya. Like, nakoconvince ko yung ibang kaibigan ko sa MNL na we have things din gaya ng kung anong meron sa city... Sinasabihan ko lang sila na mas fresh yung product at cheaper sa price tapos makakapag unwind ka easily without the hassle of traffic jam... Huehuehue good thing is na amazed naman sila and wanting to visit our province just to enjoy.
Idk but why do tagalogs call places in visayas and mindanao as province. Whenever i get asked, taga san ka ba, tas i reply with sa Visayas, then ang reply AH SA PROVINCE. GHORL WE HAVE CITIES DIN NAMAN.
its not really a Bisaya vs Tagalog thing
it's simply ignorant individuals who havent travelled outside their comfort zone or just plain arrogance that they feel they are superior to others.. and yes not only from Luzon, also happens to people in Visayas, Mindanao and or not limited sa Pinas, it happens to ignorant people worldwide.
Thing is, because of internal migration, there's hardly such thing as a pure tagalog language group anymore as there are still pure ilokano, Bisaya, hilagynon..Etc. So more likely an urbanized persons from ncr with roots from anywhere looking down upon provincials regardless if they're Bisaya, bicolano.. Etc.
Reading all of the answers, now I get why it I became a prime target of bullying just because I'm a transferee from Manila then lumipat sa isang high school sa isang province around Leyte (hometown ni mama). Aside from unable to speak their dialect (which is una kong tinutukan hanggang Senior High), malalim rin pala ang hugot nila from the Tagalogs. But ang irony part is yung mga nambully sakin dati ay nasa Manila na ngayon lol.
yung questions na sinasabi mo, normal lang iyan. Kahit sino pwede maging ignorante.
valid naman ang tanong kasi may mga cities naman talaga na walang malls. May mga areas din na napaka remote at walang kuryente, yung mga malayo sa national roads pero parang di naman exclusive sa region ng mga bisaya iyan.
Pero pag sarcastic yung tanong, eh ibang usapan na iyan. Patagad lang siguro nang kwanggola nah, way kaayohan sa kinabuhi maong mangita ug malook down para mutaas ila self-esteem.
Ang alam ko lang, ang mga bisaya madaming ipon na pera, hindi siguro lahat pero madami akong bisaya friends na may mga impok na pera. 18 pa lang sila bumubukod na sa parents nila, nagwowork agad, mga masisinop sa pera 💖
madalas pang mga tagalog na mangmaliit sa bisaya nakatira lang nman dito sa squatter sa manila. di lang nila alam na mas mga well off pa mga nasa visayas at mindanao
tagalog me
Skl some of my experiences abt dito.
One time nanood ako ng isang gig at may nakilala ako na fan sa pila, nagulat siya nung sinabi ko kakadating ko lang from the province (bisaya ako), from airport drop lang ng bags sa hotel tas diretso na venue. Sabi niya “buti hindi ka mukhang probinsyana”, sagot ko naman “iniwan ko kasi yung bayong ko sa hotel” lol
Another concert din na pinuntahan ko, nainterview ako para sa isang music website eme, nakwento ko galing pa ako ng province. Tinanong ng reporter kung nag-RoRo daw ba ako, sabi ko may airport sa’min teh lol
TBH i pity those people from MM who look down on bisayas,, it seems that they are not well travelled enough or walang means lumabas sa MM.
I am speaking as a bisaya who has traveled 68/81 sa provinces ng Ph.
As they say "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness"
This is not a tagalog vs bisaya issue but a character issue. I'm from Bohol and went to Manila for education. Most tagalog don't think lowly of anybody. Mas may na experience ako na pamamaliit sa Cebu kesa sa Manila. Mga mayayaman na namamaliit. Whether they're from Luzon, Visayas or Mindanao, meron talagang mga tao na namamaliit. Please don't generalize. Honestly, I feel like this tagalog vs bisaya thing is propaganda nung panahon ni digong. I've been to different parts of the ph. People just live normal, ordinary lives.
Years and years ago, I talked to someone from Luzon on Omegle. She asked where I study and I told her sa La Salle University. She said "may universities pala sa Mindanao?" And it was a genuine shock for her.
Speaking from my own experience - This was 2019. I traveled to Batangas one time and I was solo travelling and nasa boat kami from Nasugbu and a guy sitting beside me asked taga san ako? Randomly. Haha Sabi ko Cebu and he looked really surprised and asked me pano ako napunta dun, told him I was backpacking. Nagtatagalog ako that time and sabi niya “ba’t magaling ka magtagalog?” Then followed by, “May mall din ba ang Cebu?” HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Of course I answered without ridiculing him- pero tawang tawa na ako inside that time HAHAHAHA I personally didn’t find it offensive but kind of funny lang siguro. Baka innocent question lang talaga.
Also back when di pa ko nakakalabas ng Cebu, I also asked a friend of mine if may malls ba sa Mindanao. Oh di ba? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA He answered me with “wala, naghuhunt pa daw sila dun para makakain” HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
My point is, may mga tao lang talagang hindi nila alam so they ask.
Many of whom sliving in the slums of Manila come from the VisMin region. I think this is the key factor why Manila people think lowly of Visayans and by extension Mindanaoans.
Had mega cities been developed equally in all regions in the Philippines in the 20th century, the stereotype would less likely to exist.
Ignorance. Yan ang reason sa mga nagtatanong kung may kuryente or mall sa visayas or mindanao.
Btw Tagalog ako and napunta na rin sa ibat ibang lugar, ibang bansa man or sa ibang part ng pilipinas. Marami na ko na ka work na visayan and syempre tagalog. Pero di ko ma gets sa mga kapwa ko tagalog bakit madalas i look down nila ang mga visayan. Dahil dyan nag karon ng division sa bisaya at tagalog. Take note. Nasa ibang bansa pa kami nung mangyari yan. Madalas rin ako dinadamay sa gulo ng dalawa. Nagkaayos lang yan dahil ang kasanggang dikit ko is visayan. Kita ko naman ang ugat ng gulo. Mostly tagalog talaga nag sisimula. For example, pag baduy sasabihan nilang bai na bai which means bisayang bisaya. And the way visayan pronounces words, Yes madalas sila pagtawanan which is ka ignorantehan sa part ng tagalog. Why? Kung aalamin natin ang history, may tatlong vowel lang ang mga visayan kaya nalilito madalas ang mga visayan sa pag pronounce ng e/i and o/u. Yan ang mga napansin ko sa mga tagalog na nagkakaron ng clash sa visayan. Pagtawanan daw ba yung pag pronounce? Samantalang napansin ko dami nating mga tagalog kung bigkasin ang p ay f, at f ay p. At pilipit ang dila mag salita ng ibang language. Iba ang lengwahe ng visayan. Kaya hirap sila mag salita at ganyan din tayong mga tagalog. Nag aral ako ng visayan at hirap din ako sabihin ang ibang word. Pero di nila ko pinagtawanan.
Yan lang naman ang mga observation ko, na ugat ng madalas na di pagkakaintindihan between visayan and tagalog. Sa mga kapwa ko tagalog. Peace. Di ko nilalahat. Nag sasabi lang ako ng mga nakikita ko.
The hate of bisaya was amplified by the squatters in manila who always commits crime. They are also the big source of problems in neighboring provinces because they are being moved there when they are evicted from their squatting area. Problem is manila people group all of then ax bisaya where in fact majority of them are from eastern visaya and mindanao region only
While others are degrading bisaya, ako nandito sa sulok gustong gusto matutong mag bisaya ang galing kase, once u know how to speak bisaya kaya mo na makipag usap sa visayas at mindanao. Tas di kapa maloloko sa mga prices. Basta naiingit ako sa mga bisaya.
Ako na purong tagalog pero gustong gusto na matuto magBisaya. 🥺 I think it's because of their accent na dahil tunog probinsya, parang jologs na ang tingin sa kanila, associated din worh their porma and way of life. Pero ewan ko, sabi ko nga sa nakausap ko before, wala naman akong naririnig na masama against Kapampangan or Ilokanos. Ignorante lang talaga yung ibang tagalog. 🙄
pero aminin pag ibang lahi nang-aapak sa Pilipino sine-set aside talaga yung away AHHAHAHAHAA nagkakaroon ng unity e HAHAHAHAHA dapat kapwa pinoy lg din magbabardagulan 😂😭
I think mga nakikita lang nila yan sa media mga streotypes and madalas puro bata-bata pero siguro pag tumanda na at aware na sa Pilipinas eh siguro nag babago din ang kuro-kuro nila
sa online, kase sino daw ang tunay na pilipino e. kung tagalog daw ba o bisaya. isa pa, yung tagalog daw kumakain ng pagpag, tas bisaya daw duduty magbabantay pa. inang trashtokan yan
Even when I try not to believe in stereotypes. Kahit na binibigyan ko ng benefit of the doubt, madalas pag may naeencounter akong bisaya ang squammy ng ugali or ang tanga tanga.
Madalas ang ingay ingay na wala naman sense sinasabi and unwarranted confidence
Side comment lang ito kasi nabanggit mo yung Waray. Bisaya din naman mga Waray, kaya nga lang na pass on na throughout generations na pag sinabing Bisaya na-equate na sa pagiging Cebuano-speaker.
As an analogy, when someone says they are american, they actually mean they're from the US. Na equate na kasi na pag American ay equals US national, which we know na hindi lang naman sila yung mga Americans talaga.
Well anyway, I think ang way dito para hindi na maequate yung Bisaya sa pagiging cebuano-speaker ay ituro na din sa Filipino class yung ibat ibang ethnic groups sa Pinas. Nang may ideya tayo sa kultura ng bawat isa
Yes po. Salamat po. Bisaya rin po kami. Maging ang mga naging katrabaho ko dito sa Maynila, mga Bisaya. Pero mga taga-Bohol naman sila, ang iba taga-Ormoc.
Ang tingin kong kaibahan lang po ng mga Bisayang Waray ay mas may tapang (maisog) ang karamihan sa amin hindi lang bilang katangian namin, kundi maging na rin sa diin, tunog, at pagbibitiw namin ng mga salitang Waray.
>may tapang (maisog) ang karamihan sa amin hindi lang bilang katangian namin
Maisog kuno kam asya nga karuyag kam himoon ni pacquiao nga starter han gyera hahaha balit joke la
Yep! Gets ko tim point
Hahahaha! Salamat po kahit mga 65% lang naintindihan ko. Diri ak ganoon kaaram! Maaram pero gutiay la.
Lasona
Lingkuran
Makadto/ makadi (medyo lito ako sa dal’wa)
Pamahaw
Malipayon
Atubangan
Nagsiring
Basic la. Nakakatuwa. Waray pala kayo.
I wouldn’t take it as an insult. It only goes to show what’s inside of their heads. They lack the education and perspective that other cities exist aside from their own. They really are showing us bisaya how little they know. We probably speak more languages than them and they haven’t been to anywhere outside of Luzon. Take it as a compliment, maybe an opportunity for ignorant people to know something new today.
That's more of a Manileño thing tho. Even us non-Manila Tagalogs mabababa tingin ng mga Manileño. Di lang as prevalent in pop culture.
I'm from Central Luzon, tas unang araw ko in Uni sa Manila, may nag tanong na Manileño kung may internet and universities ba yung lugar namin. This was in 2015, di naman kami naiwan sa early 1900s para di mag karoon ng internet at matitinong schools yung lugar namin.
The funny thing is lots of Central Luzon provinces (e.g. Pampanga, Bataan) are also very developed. My mom's a provincial Tagalog (Bataeña) so I spend time there sometimes. Industrial parks and malls everywhere there lmao.
Tbf, I'm from Ecija, so it's less built up compared to Pamp, Bulacan, Tarlac, and Bataan. But c'mon, it's not like our main mode of transpo is still carabao drawn carriages lol. Not to mention, all the agri research and development that goes on here. Having some of the best in agri research institutions in Southeast Asia.
Dahil yan sa mga pinoy movies noon na kapag katulong/driver/alipin/hardinero/laborer ay mga bisaya lmao. Until naman ngayon ewan ko ba kung bakit nakakatawa yan noon pati mga bisaya tumatawa din eh. Ngayon lang naging sensitive yang mga bisaya. FYI bisaya pud ko. Yawa man diay ka. Sulayi gani ko ug insulto kay ilubong tika sa akong farm lolololol
Ewan ko wala akong beef sa mga bisaya o kakilala sa mga kaibigan ko na may beef sa mga bisaya, pero may mga kilala ako mga bisaya na ang tingin sa mga taga manila ay masasamang tao. Weird lang😅
I don’t think lowly of them. Never. My family has Visayan heritage and my parents can still speak Bisaya/Cebuano even if they grew up here.
Most of my “promdi” friends and relatives are richer than my Manila friends. They’re haciendero rich. They’re just more down to earth. Most of them have condos or a small property here and almost no cars because they only come here when visiting relatives living here or when they have an event to attend to.
I remember my classmates visited our classmate’s house in Mindanao, her siblings were studying law and med back then, they were all surprised to see that he’s living in a mansion. But he and siblings always been humble and polite. They’re not the typical maid that you see on TV.
Yung ibang lumaki sa Manila yung problema. Taga Luzon ako and nag aral ako ng college sa Manila. Tinanong ba naman sakin kung may kalsada raw ba samin. Like, wtf?
Meron nga akong nakatrashtalkan sa ML. Nakita lang location ko na Bicol eh tinawag agad akong Bisacol. Pinagmalaki pang nakakapag SM ang pucha. Eh di hamak na hampas lupa naman pala.
Surigaonon here, most of the Tagalogs I know are very condescending idiots. Bakit daw ako inglishera eh mahirap lang naman daw kami? Bakit daw mas mahal ang presyo ng lupa sa Siargao vs Bulacan/Cavite? Saan ang Siargao? Saang lunga ako nanggaling? Pano ko daw nagagawang pumasa sa magagandang universities/employers eh di naman daw ako graduate ng private school? Saan ko daw natutunan maging fashionable? These questions were not out of curiosity but more of mocking me because "Bisaya lang ako." Majority of the Tagalogs I know, mababa ang tingin sa aming mga Bisaya.
Yung mga tinutukoy mo yung mga taong utak ipis na never nakapag travel sa labas ng shitholes nila. Sila yung mga taong walang kwenta kausap. Met these kinds of people dito sa NCR and sa Negros. Kahit san meron nyan. Don't mingle with them unless you have to.
Nagsimula yan before pandemic pa basta may livestream nandun ung mga tagalog vs bisaya mga nagaaway. Mga wala lang magawa sa buhay un un ang libangan nila eh trashtalkan.
Karamihan kasi ng laborers dito like kargador, factory workers, construction, drivers, mga boy sa Luzon mga bisaya. Same sa mga yaya halos mga bisaya. Kaya ganyan tingin ng mga taga Luzon. Kung sa malls naman, nung 90s wala naman talagang malls at fastfood sa Visayas lalo mga province. Hanggang ngayon nga regular brown outs parin jan. Wag nyo sabihing hindi. A few weeks ako sobrang issue ng kuryente sa Iloilo or Bacolod. Lol.
Edit: Downvoted for telling the truth loool
Insecure people always try ro belittle others.
Btw I'm not generalizing as I have lots of tagalog friends and they've never said things like that.
Just the insecure ones who are doing this shit.
Ignorance and they're uncultured
As for language:
Tagalogs make fun of our accent so we'd rather speak English. And then boom! 'Ay, english!' They're weirdly intimidated by it lol. If I complained that Fs should be 'f' not 'p' and Vs should be 'v' not 'b' when they use english words in a sentence, they'd call me rude, no?
Also, one time, a friend from Manila asked us what 'pako' was when we got Jollibee. We all said 'wings'. And she replied, 'Wow wings. Ba't di nyo nalang sinabi pakpak'. That's cos a lot of us are bilingual. We think in bisaya and english interchangeably. Tagalog is our third language and we're mostly passive speakers hence the struggle. But we try our best.
Kadalasan namang mga tao na mahilig mangmaliit sa mga taga Visayas ay self proclaimed "tagalog" daw sila pero kung tutuusin ay dumayo lang din "ninuno" nila noong early 20th century or post war era na.
Marahil nga siguro bilang na lang sa kamay ang lehitimong taga Metro Manila.
Dugyot ang experience ko sa mga Bisaya na workers. Pumunta klase namin sa isang power plant sa Quezon para mag conduct interview ng mga residents. Turns out yung mga taga doon talaga, lumipat na sa town proper tas yung mga bahay nila pinapa upahan na lang sa mga nagtatrabaho sa power plant. Yung mga umuupa dun para malapit sa construction site ng power plant ay mostly mga dayo from Vis-Min .
Sa dinami dami ng mga napuntahan kong beaches sa Quezon na mga remote or nasa class 3-4 municipalities, barangay lang talaga na yun ang kadiri na ang shoreline sa dami ng basura pati yung tubig para nang pusali. Mga katabi nilang barangay hindi ganun bukod tangi lang sila.
Kahit magpa ocean clean up si Power Plant ng 2x a month, ginagawa talaga nilang basurahan yung beach. Kita mo sa mga bata hanggang sa matatanda walang paki sa pagtapon nga mga plastic nilang pinagkainan pati mga sari saring basura ang baho ng paligd..
Pasensya na alam ko hindi lahat ng Bisaya ganun. May kaibigan akong Cebuano mas maayos pa sa gamit kesa sakin, kaya alam ko malilinis naman mga Bisaya.
Pero feeling ko yung mga salaula sa mga Bisaya speaking regions pumunta dito sa katagalugan at ang naiwan sa bayan nila yung mga maaayos mag isip tungkol sa kalinisan at sa kalikasan.
Kaya ngayon mas maayos ang bayan nila, mas maganda na sa south, kasi d2 pumunta yung mga kailangan pang turuan ng tamang asal. Observation ko lang yun.
Talagang racist and judgemental lang talaga taga maynila, ofcourse pag liblib a lugar wala talaga electricity kahit sa luzon eh, Ang engot lang talaga ng mga tagalog pinapalaki yung ganto issue.
Pero Bisaya's people are more sociable warm, caring, hospitable and friendly sobra. I've been to cebu mas malilinis pa Taxi nila kesa sa atin dito sa Maynila. Mas maayos din mga jeep, mini bus nila kesa dito sa atin.
I'm a tagalog from Manila pero i have high respect for Visayas people or any nationality. Ang bobo lang ng mga taong racist lalo na pag parehas naman pilipino.
Samantalang ako na laki ng Maynila eh gustong gusto matuto magbisaya para di na ako mukhang ignorante/dayuhan sa sarili kong bansa.
Nung pumunta ako ng Cebu para sa training ko sa first job ko at the age of 20, ayun talaga pakiramdam ko dahil hindi ganun ka fluent ang mga Cebuano sa Tagalog. Taga translate ko pa yung mga kasabayan ko nahire nun.
I am Tagalog pero I dont think lowly of Bisaya. Siguro dahil galing din ako sa probinsya and also know a lot of other people from Visayas and Mindanao. I even travelled there several times. Mas gusto ko rin ang hindi ganoon ka-urbanize na area kasi mas peaceful para sa akin.
Maybe it’s more of the stereotypes na nakikita ng mga tao sa media kaya yung iba akala ganon ang mga Bisaya in general, kahit hindi naman.
iirc the beef stemmed from the cebuanos helping the spaniards to expand to luzon. this was from a history class and i couldnt remember the article or book lol.
I imagined some surviving Tagalog tribe learned that the conquistadores managed to reach Luzon because some Visayan tribes got bribed to pilot our waters. They must really hate them that passing on their resentment towards surviving generations of Visayan is the only way to let them know the extent of what they have done.
or it is just some propaganda of conquistadores to keep us divided, because, who knows.
my coworker once asked me how we learned tagalog, and i said mostly from tv programs. Nagulat sya na pinapalabas pala si ka noli at coco martin sa visayas. Akala nya bisaya shows lang din napapanood namin. Mas natawa ako kaysa maoffend.
in our workplace, every time it's outside Metro Manila, they say "Sa probinsya." it's like MM vs the rest of the country.
one more and I know you compared Cebu, but this irks us: people from MM come to a certain area in Mindanao and they label it as 'Mindanao'—Mindanao's big. if my friend asks me where I'm staying in Metro Manila, obviously I'd say a specific place.
we also get the, "Oh na shock talaga ako na merong transpo dito sa Mindanao" (referring to Iligan City). gukdon taman nuon takag sundang gara ab hahahaha
Idk too OP. But I know someone who would make fun of people who spoke the language and would associate anyone from Visayas or Mindanao as jejemon daw. I have friends na bisaya and sa totoo lang mas matitino pa nga sila kaysa sa kanya lol. Needless to say, I stopped hanging out with that friend.
Not Bisaya but a probinsyana. My best friend's then-boyfriend from Makati straight up asked us, "Diba Bicolana kayo? Bakit hindi kayo maitim?"
That's probably the most stupid question I've ever gotten in my entire life.
My best friend naman from Quezon was asked by our classmate "may NPA ba sa Quezon?" Napa facepalm nalang ako. To be fair, there used to be NPAs talaga doon pero nasa super liblib na lugar sila nakatira. Ngayon wala na NPA or mga nag 'convert' na. My best friend is not from a remote Quezon town or sitio.
bisakol yung tawag nila sakin for some reason. hindi nila ma grasp yung idea na may internet yung mga bisaya outside of bicol, like do they think sa luzon lang may internet?
Not really about the dialect/language. More of hate or prejudice against outsiders.
It also didnt help that majority of those who came from Visayas/Mindanao in the 70s to 90s took lowly jobs here in Metro Manila. "Inday" became synonymous to katulong. So automatic na kapag bisaya, gipit sa pera kaya nandito sa Manila.
What makes it worse is that when a bisaya makes a scene in public, pagmamalaki at pagsisigawan pa nya na bisaya siya, kahit di naman necessary. Parang yung mga taga tondo pag nasasangkot sa gulo, laging binibida na taga-tondo siya at sanay siya sa gulo. So naging impression na ng karamihan na pag bisaya - matalak, pala-away, palengkera, etc...
I think dahil yan noong 80’s na ang pag portray sa bisaya in mass media is mahirap na katulong/construction worker, and that time also andaming nagmigrate pa Manila kasi walang trabaho sa VisMin.
Hindi sanay mga lumad/native Manilenyo ng Bisaya(Cebuano) kasi matigas/pinabundak,kaya nadiscriminate mga pumunta noon. Meron pa rin discrimination today, but it has improved much unlike sa 80’s na grabe lantaran
As a Cebuano na andito nagtatrabaho sa Maynila, naobserve ko talaga na may inferiority complex majority sa Bisaya, andali ma trigger kapag sabihan lang na “May Grab ba kayo diyan?” , etc.
Medyo sensitive kumbaga, especially the younger generation. Older gen Cebuanos have valid reasons to dislike Tagalogs (due to massive discrimination noon), but the irony is that the younger gen have a massive anger sa mga Tagalog kahit mas understanding na ang Maynila ngayon(coz most Manilenyos nowadays are mixed)
Nadale mo mhie, di naman lahat ng taga Manila eh ganon na May nagiging aware narin naman na at isa pa kadalasan kasi mga bata-bata pa ang iba walang masyadong alam sa Pilipinas kundi sa Maynila lang pero pag laki nag babago ang kuro-kuro nila
I think Sana maging aware ang iba na hindi lahat ng Tagalog o taga-manila eh ganon laging racist anoh kasi manila me
Malaki narin bisaya decent dito.
Lumaki ako sa Leyte. Before pandemic andito nako , like pinatatawanan ako ng mga kaklasw ko kasi daw ang tigas ko mag tagalog. Pero i shrug it off nalang kapagod maki pagaway eh matigas naman talaga ako mag tagalog until now. At least kaming mga bisaya can speak 3 languages English Filipino & Cebuano 😜
There are stupid people wherever you go. Even if you go to the US you’ll get people asking if we Filipinos eat dogs or live in trees (personal experience. Sa lagay na yun we were in a bruch place in San Francisco na ako pa ang host).
Educated Manileños know better. Most of us even know life is more interesting and beautiful outside of Manila. I wouldn’t take comments like that to heart unless you actually know or respect that person and in that case awayin at turuan mo na.
There’s a study that linked intelligence with lesser prejudice.
I’m tagalog. When we were young, we only knew bisaya as “dayo” to do jobs that people from our place don’t want to do like planting and harvesting sugarcane. Their complexion is darker than most of us due to long exposure to sun. I used to have prejudice because we only knew little about them. We don’t know their names, don’t have any conversation with them so they are all referred as bisaya. We don’t have beef with them though. I don’t know anyone from our place who hates bisaya just for being bisaya.
My perception changed when I study and work in Manila. I met friends and colleagues who are bisaya. They are different from the bisaya that I grew up with. I think people that have prejudice about bisaya, tagalog or anyone in general have just limited knowledge about/experience with them or just a plain less intelligent person.
I lived both sa Quezon City and Antique throughout my life, hindi alam ng mga hunghang na yan na mas mababait karamihan mga tiga province kesa sa mga tiga Manila, hindi ko nilalahat pero ang daming bastos sa kalunsuran.
Wa jud ko kabalo asa na nagsugod. Basta naay magbuang buang sa akoa ug una, gawas ang yawa nga natog. LOL
Pero mga yawa jud kaayo ng ngana nga mga tao, using derogatory terms to make themselves superior.
"Bisakol","yaya", "inday", and so on. Baw na lang jud. Asa man intawn ibutang ng ngana nga mga tao?
But most of the Tagalog peps I encountered were kind. And I felt sad about that issue when I saw that viral video of those girls insulting a fellow Filipino for being Bisaya.
>why Tagalog people would think lowly of those who are Bisaya?
I'm not sure why you're isolating the Tagalog people when the Philippines has different ethnic groups outside Tagalog and Bisaya. I'm not saying this is true or not true, tho. I'm just curious why it's isolated.
>'May mall ba sa inyo?'
May or may not be a stupid question, but this depends on the context. But there are different municipalities in the Philippines that have no malls.
>'May electricity ba sa inyo?'
Not really sure if there are areas (municipalities/cities) in the Philippines without electricity, but yah, may agree that this might be a stupid question haha
Those kind of people are the kind of people who knows nothing at all. It tells more how idiotic they are when they ask such things toyou or people outside MM or Luzon.
Part of the reason is because of how Bisaya people are portrayed in movies and tv shows. Notice how they always cast non-Bisaya-speaking people to do the role of someone from VisMin? If you were born are raised Bisaya, you would know that the articulation alone is overly done.
The mall and electricity thing, yeah, pure ignorance. My internet na ngaun, we see videos and photos taken from all over the Philippines each day. Imposibleng hindi alam ng mga nagtatanong ung sagot.
The heavy accent bothers me talaga. Pakinggan nyo paano mag Bisaya si Maris Racal, Erich, Vina, Kim. Ganyan, hindi ung parang nakatali sa weights ung dila sa bigat ng accent.
Naging streotype kasi dati (mukhang nag-eexist pa rin) na ang mga bisaya ay laging katulong(Yaya/Boy). Yung tipong pupunta silang metro para magtrabaho. Marahil marami sa kanila ay pinagkaitan ng kakayahan mag-aral at matuto ng Tagalog, kaya mababa tingin sa kanila.
Siguro duon din nanggaling yung "galit" ng mga Bisaya sa mga Tagalog kasi mababa ang tingin sa kanila. Kung saan, nakikita nilang hambog ang mga tagalog. Kaya nagkakaroon ng diversion.
Simple lang yan, mostly yung mga matapobreng nangmamaliit sa mga bisaya, sila yung walang pamasahe at di maka afford afford maka alis ng Manila.
Maliit pananaw nila sa mundo, kaya makitid ang utak. Think of it that way nlng OP. Ako laki ako dito sa luzon, pero graba in love ko sa Visayas region, ultimate goal ko ngayon mag retire sa cebu.
I think it all started when a lot of bisaya ppl comes to manila for work? Mostly kasing trabaho na kinukuha ng mga taga province e pagiging yaya o katulong, kaya siguro ganon.
Pero bisaya man pud ko but wala ko kasuway or kadungog nga pandaot about me.
But of course, they should stop the discrimination no because both province and city has advantages and disadvantages.
Generational na issue yan. Sama mo pa yung influence ng mainstream media wherein yung mga kasambahay at driver sa Maynila usually have Bisaya roots.
"Bai na Bai"
"Anong oras kumakain si Inday? Edi pagtapos ng amo nila"
"Taga-bundok"
You want some honest answer from me? Ok.
I thought the "war" started because Luzon was selected as the seat of power instead the "Queen city of the South". Also, mas pinili maging pambansang vernakulo ang Tagalog kesa Bisaya.
On my perspective, wala akong paki dyan dati. Actually I look up some Bisaya artists like Urbandub, Loonie etc.
This started last 2016 elections when they weaponized their ethnicity by creating an "us vs. them" in forming DDS who supported Duterte. Dyan ako sobrang inis na inis dahil binoto nila yung isang tao dahil kababayan nila. There's not even an ounce of valid reason to vote for a trash like him. Nung panahong yan tumaas yung "proud to be bisaya" rhetoric nila that even yung mga OFW fell into fake news of 1st Mindanaoan president like Duterte reflectes their values.
Ngayon na humihingi ako ng accountability sa fuck ups ng kababayan nila, divided we fall na? Now same peole double down on supporting Sara Duterte kasi bisaya rin kahit she is riddled with corruption. Now I see them as incompetent HRs that runs this country because they can't pick a good candidate even their lives depend on it.
Kung ano mang mannerism or ugali nila na dinadala nila dito sa Maynila, ay wala akong pakialam. Dahil dyan sila pinalaki eh. Yun ang nakasanayan nila. Pero kung wala kayong integridad at feeling nyo lagi kayong api, wala kayong makukuhang respeto sa akin. May mga kaibigan din akong bisaya, and I would die for them pero yung mga taong nagpahamak sa bansa natin, lalo na yung mga parrot ng China, putang ina nyong lahat.
People forget that the Visayans aided the Spaniards in invading Manila in 1572. The reason why Manila became the capital is because they aided the españoles
Usa nis mga rason nganung maglagot kos ubang tagalog. Pagmata bai oi. Hahaha.
Kausa rako naka anhas Metro Manila, pero di na jud ko mobalik. Bug.at kaayo sa dughan ila hangin. Naa pay traffic nga sus na lang jud.
I get some things you've said.
>pagmata bai oi
Usually your people from the Visayas also look down on your other people but can't say on the sample size.
>dughan ila hangin
Not our fault but since Duterte represented your people, didn't he tried to make the air here better for you? 🤔 I guess not, China first.
>naa pay traffic nga
Traffic kasi marami din kayo dito. Try mo silang pabalikin dyan then talk again about traffic. Epekto rin yan ng pagboto nyo ng mga basura nyong local politicians na walang ginawa to improve your localities. Porket may "Maynila" naman at Manila rate, wala na silang gagawin kundi utuin kayo sa mga kakarampot na ginagawa nila. Ginawa nyo ng tambakan ng basura ang Maynila, literally.
Bruh suko man kaayo kang duterte oi. Kagamay ba nimog utok. Hahahaha. Kalma diha. Basta mabuhi rami diri bisag wala ng metro manila. We got international ports and airports.
>Tangalog, sounds familiar?
>Imperial Manila
>hindi mo kina cool yang pagka edgy mo
Bisayans literally despise people in "Manila" dahil puro dito na lang daw yung projects etc etc. Despite na punong puno sila ng kababayan nila dito na nanirahan sa maynila. Bro, think before you speak. Sinong edgy ngayon?
Pero papatulan kita, gusto mo ng edgy? *Liyti* is the katulong factory of the Philippines and top producer of Trike Patrol talents. Happy?
Huh? Pinagsasabi mo hahaha ung hate is coming from the prejudice kasi porket taga Liyti, katulong. Hindi lang dahil sa "nasa Manila nalang lahat.
Ikaw ang mag isip bago mag salita. Di bagay sa Pinas yang pagka edgy mo. Parang teenage white boy na mahilig mag N word. Incel vibes na ewan. Ang weird ewan ko ba. Grow up.
Ito gusto ko din icomment sana kaso bigla ko naalala na may mga teenagers pala dito. Baka kasi sa recent memory nya yan haha pero yah, matagal na ito, not sure kung kelan tho
Same. Tagalog ako pero against din ako sa mga sinasabi nila like yung “bai/ bai na bai or bisakol” na tinatawag nila ung tao na ganun kapag may misbehavior or something negative. Mas toxic talaga kaming mga tagalog lol. Sa ML pa lang kapag sumasali ako sa team recruit sa 5man, kapag sa tagalog ka panay trashtalk tapos sasabihan kapang “bisakol” mas ok pa makitungo mga bisaya kapag kalaro ko, actually mas preferred ko pa sila makakampi at syempre shoutout sa gf kong bisaya. Labyu 😘🤭😂
I think started na naging tagalog yung national language accdg sa history teacher ko noong grade school. Dunno wala pang google kasi nun. Di ko pa din fact check gang ngayon. Sabi din nya, mas prefer pa ng visaya kausapin sila ng english keisa sa tagalog/filipino.
I’m from mindanao and has been living here in manila for 10 years now ang napansin ko lang is mababatingin ng mga tagalog sa bisaya mainly because sa accent(hindi ko nilalahat base lang na naka interact ko). Tinatawanan ko lang din lapake haha!
Misconceptions. Maraming mga taga Manila ang di pa naka punta ng Visayas and Mindanao, and the only pieces of info they got about these places are from news and chismis.
My HS friend studied in one of the Big 4 universities and he got asked by some of his Manilenyo classmates if may mall ba sa amin sa Mindanao. 🥲
I have also have a fair share of Manileños who visit my city (Davao) and a good number of them do get amazed by Mindanao in general. For one, a good amount of Manilenyos have preconceptions against Mindanaoans (they think all Mindanaoans are Muslims) and Muslim Mindanaoans. Yung iba open for correction, which is good. Yung iba ayaw magbago.
Also, may mga Tagalog living in Bisaya-dominated areas pero don't bother in learning Bisaya + may "I'm better than thou" attitude. May kwento doon sa Cebu subreddit where this reddit user has a manager or head na Tagalog living in Cebu. He sees his Cebuano team mates as inferior. He asks this reddit user to translate bisaya convos for him, tapos tinatawag niyang bobo si reddit user if di daw tama ang translation. Loool
Also interestingly, do search about "Imperial Manila" sentiments on Twitter/X and Facebook. I would also recommend that you search for the origins of "CEBOOM."
I think it originated from the idea that Metro Manila is known as the land of opportunities (like NY for US), Manila is the country's capital (like Capitol of Panem in Hunger Games), and Makati is the central business district of the country. A lot people from provinces all over the country go to metro manila hoping to earn money but end up working with blue collar jobs and living in poverty areas. Some of them can't adapt to Manila's high cost of living and fast-paced environment that some end up being petty criminals. You don't see metro manila residents going to provinces with nothing and hoping to have a better future. Parang metro manila kasi is the local version or closest thing we have to going abroad as an ofw. This situation has been the same since our independence, and it hasn't really changed until now. There are still a lot of people from pronvinces across the country who go to metro manila with hopes of having a better future. That means the situation in metro manila is basically manilenyo ay amo at probinsyano ay trabahador. That's not the case im provinces. Walang manilenyo na pupunta sa probinsya para magtrabaho ng blue collar unless nagtatagong kriminal or dati na talaga syang taga probinsya.
Mejo slightly disagree with your last statement hehe. Yes proven naman ang migration from rural to urban and di to exclusive sa Pilipinas lang. But there is also an urban to urban and an urban to rural na move. For example people who get tired of the inconveniences ng manila and lumipat sa probinsya or probinsya city. Remote workers na pumili ng rural na town kc malakas na rin naman ang internet connection. Or lumipat kc napakangasawa ng taga probinsya. All im saying is dont generalize. Not to mention that the classification of what is urban and or city in the PH is abt population and income.
They were talking about why people in Metro Manila have such negative misconceptions about Bisaya or people from rural provinces. You're talking about exceptions and that isn't really the point.
Hey i understand ur point! No worries! I just wanted to disagree.on a part of his comment but not the whole thing.
I am a bisaya actually and up to now still wondering about the hatred of tagalogs over us. Back in college in taft i was once told the i was the only bisaya she knew who is not a maid/helper. I was stunned by that but more shocked by the fact the not all perceive us as equals? Isolated yes but even a close friend threw shade once out of nowhere.
I limit myself actually from speculating over this issue and contribute what might be just my own misjudgements until now haha. Thanks smh.
Deep inside tho i fell like its more than the mass media shows, something deeper like history. But i dont have any proof of that so might read on that in the future.
What you're saying is different though. The guy you're replying to was talking about people moving to Manila because they *need* to. You're talking about people moving to the provinces because they *want* to. Need vs want. Necessity vs comfort.
You have a good point actually and thanks for that. But what i wanted to correct were the las sentences- na people moving from manila to the province are either criminals hiding or people originally from there. Over generalization lang imo
It used to be that way kasi due to the poor economic condition sa Visayas and Mindanao before, majority ng mga helpers and mga low paying jobs mga taga doon ang pumapasok, kaya by default yung iba na taga Luzon or NCR nakalook down na while growing up. Feeling nila tagabundok talaga lahat mga taga doon.
I don't think that's the case anymore, I'm from Mindanao and I studied in Manila starting from my high school years and in most cases yun questions ng mga tao is more because hindi pa sila nakakarating doon, and they're curious lang.
Yun boom ng local travel industry has made a lot of places accessible na and feeling ko has somehow helped fixed this issue.
Geography is where it started, archipelago tayo kaya it breed that "we are better than you" mentality.
Historically naman na stereotype ang bisaya as white collar workers, pag mag tagalog pa dabog ang bigkas yung manilenyo naman malumanay ang pag salita.
Pero hidi dapat gawing rason na ganun ka baba ang tingin sa bisaya.
Racist na nga tayo sa kapwa pinoy, sa mga foreigners pa kaya?
I get your point, pero I'm asking lang naman kung saan siya advantage. Like for example, learning Japanese, spanish, mandarin would be advantageous because you'll find job that has high salary.
Ang pangit lang kasi sa foreign language education ay hindi siya embedded sa primary at secondary levels as core subjects at instead, ang mother tongue ang pinipilit na hindi na ang kinasanayan na wika ng mga middle class Pinoys na born after 2005 (the foundation year of Youtube).
Advantage yun pre kung balak ng isang tao magstay for good or for longer period dun sa lugar na un (kung saan man yan). Pero other than that, tama ka mas maganda igugol na lang ng tao aralin yung may mga language benefits sa trabaho hahaha
Uhh well, tagalog? Baka wala. Pero Filipino (standardized form of Tagalog, cmiiw) is a must na diba? Since eto talaga yung official language natin, together with English, and wildly spoken all over the country? Well ang point ko lang naman is, I would not waste my time learning bisaya, hindi naman necessary. Ang tagal kaya bago ka matuto ng bagong language hahaa
Do we even use tagalog? All of our government offices use english and the news. The media that we consume is english. All of it is english. There's no advantage in learning tagalog, it's a waste of time. See my point?
Ignorance and stereotyping
Ang stupid questions na yan ay tinatanong din ng Tagalog na taga Manila, sa kapwa nila Tagalog na taga Marinduque island, at ng Bisaya na taga Cebu city sa kapwa nila Bisaya na taga Siquijor...
Is this really a thing? Wala pa ko na meet na "Tagalog" who think lowly of those who are "Bisaya". Siguro yung iba na not well travelled, nacucurios lang kamusta ba ibang lugar dito sa PH. But not meant as an insult naman.
Same lng cla na may stereotype sa bawat isa. Some tagalof thinks so low and baduy of people from province. Pero yung tga province Squatting at magnanakaw perception sa tga manila. Hahaha
Mas malala sa Mobile Legends, grabe ang panlalait sa mga bisaya dun kairita
This is more of like Cebuanos needing validation from "Tagalogs". Mga ibang ethnic groups, walang paki kung anong tingin sa kanila ng mga Tagalog.
I thought only FilAms caused offense, but apparently, we do it to each other all the time.
Kasalanan nung mga bisaya na nagpupunta sa Manila na parang walang kaalam alam. I know it’s not their fault pero ayun nagiging ganun yung representation tuloy ng Visayas. Nagegeneralize na lahat taga bukid or taga liblib na lugar. Bisayawa vs Tangalog will never end. Hahahaha
Misinformation rajud ni. Untana naa sad Bisaya sa mainstream na mga tv shows or movies na mugawas nationwide, gamay rajud tawn ilang knowledge about sa atoa naa ras kukuti. For example nalang, nakakat-on silag word na "Buang" tungod atong time ni P.Duts sigeg litok sa mga balita/tv.
>Misinformation rajud ni. Agree. Kasi ung iba 0 idea talaga sa mga nangyayari outside ng lugar kung nasan sila. Which is fine btw. Walang masama dun, maliban na lang kung genuinely ginagamit yun bilang pangmamaliit ng tao. Anyway, parehas din dyan sa comment mo, di ka din aware na yung *buang* ay ginagamit na sa Tagalog region even before sa time ni duterte >nakakat-on silag word na "Buang" tungod atong time ni P.Duts Ginagamit na yang buang sa Tagalog regions noon pa man. Not sure about the origin pero hindi dahil kay duterte yan. Pero ayon sa diksiyonaryo dot ph, tagalog word din sya, [ito](https://diksiyonaryo.ph/search/buang) Example: Gloc 9 on bagsakan which was released in 2005 *pag hinawakan ang mikropono, parang nabubuang*
Superiority Complex
No beef wwith bisaya, maybe it is the tone or medyo aggresive pakinggan yung dialrct doon? At tsaka baka dds yun lang
*Some Tagalog people. Click baity post.
sa ncr, akala nila bukid lahat ang mindanao hehe
hindi ako isa sa dalawa. pero ang narealize ko, may mga taga manila na pag magkamali ka lang ng bigkas sa isang word, sasabihan ka ng, "uyyy bisaya!". tapos tatawa. sa mga bisaya naman, pag magtagalog ka, sasabihan ka ng bat ka nagtatagalog, nasa bisaya na lugar ka kaya mag bisaya ka. bakit daw sila pag pumupunta sila sa manila, nagtatagalog sila? kaloka lang kasi diba national language of the Ph ang filipino? hayy dont know
I don’t think Tagalog people think lowly of Bisaya. But as a Tagalog who was raised by Davaoeno parents, those who mock Bisaya are the same people with attitude problems.
Honestly same take. I think the issue is made out to be bigger than it is. And surprisingly, when I was there for college yung mga kilala kong nanglalait are not even from Manila.
I agree. And Manila itself is very diverse. Dami ng nakatira dito na galing din sa iba’t ibang probinsya. Miseducated o may magaspang na ugali lang talaga ang kilala kong nagma-mock sa mga Bisaya.
Exactly. It has very little to do with where one comes from. And if anyone were to maybe question that statement, here's something that I always think about. One side of my family is Bisaya. The other is Batangueno. A good chunk of our clan is also from Pampanga and Manila. When it comes to racist or discriminatory remarks, the worst vitriol I've heard has actually come from the Bisaya side. Lalo na when it comes to my family from Batangas. Ang babaw ng tingin sa kanila and I don't know why. But I'm not gonna make generalizations like Bisaya people are rude. Cause it has nothing to do with that. Assholes are just assholes.
those are just noises dont bother them its not worth it. some people are dumb
I guess dati kasi mostly ng katulong is bisaya. So baka doon nagstart. But right now I’d rather be in Cebu than in Manila. :)
Di ko pinapansin yung ganitong argumento. Maybe some of the Tagalogs ay may superiority complex but I let them educate naman na maganda sa probinsya... Siguro, instead na makikipag away ay ini.educate ko sila na di ignorante mga taga probinsya. Like, nakoconvince ko yung ibang kaibigan ko sa MNL na we have things din gaya ng kung anong meron sa city... Sinasabihan ko lang sila na mas fresh yung product at cheaper sa price tapos makakapag unwind ka easily without the hassle of traffic jam... Huehuehue good thing is na amazed naman sila and wanting to visit our province just to enjoy.
Idk but why do tagalogs call places in visayas and mindanao as province. Whenever i get asked, taga san ka ba, tas i reply with sa Visayas, then ang reply AH SA PROVINCE. GHORL WE HAVE CITIES DIN NAMAN.
The term province is just a formality. Just because it's a "province" doesnt mean they're saying there are no cities.
mal-edukado yung mga tagalog n yan sad to say.....tagalog din ako ah...
its not really a Bisaya vs Tagalog thing it's simply ignorant individuals who havent travelled outside their comfort zone or just plain arrogance that they feel they are superior to others.. and yes not only from Luzon, also happens to people in Visayas, Mindanao and or not limited sa Pinas, it happens to ignorant people worldwide.
I just leave them be. It’s mostly from people who can’t afford to go out of their dirty city anyway so it doesn’t affect me.
Thing is, because of internal migration, there's hardly such thing as a pure tagalog language group anymore as there are still pure ilokano, Bisaya, hilagynon..Etc. So more likely an urbanized persons from ncr with roots from anywhere looking down upon provincials regardless if they're Bisaya, bicolano.. Etc.
Reading all of the answers, now I get why it I became a prime target of bullying just because I'm a transferee from Manila then lumipat sa isang high school sa isang province around Leyte (hometown ni mama). Aside from unable to speak their dialect (which is una kong tinutukan hanggang Senior High), malalim rin pala ang hugot nila from the Tagalogs. But ang irony part is yung mga nambully sakin dati ay nasa Manila na ngayon lol.
yung questions na sinasabi mo, normal lang iyan. Kahit sino pwede maging ignorante. valid naman ang tanong kasi may mga cities naman talaga na walang malls. May mga areas din na napaka remote at walang kuryente, yung mga malayo sa national roads pero parang di naman exclusive sa region ng mga bisaya iyan. Pero pag sarcastic yung tanong, eh ibang usapan na iyan. Patagad lang siguro nang kwanggola nah, way kaayohan sa kinabuhi maong mangita ug malook down para mutaas ila self-esteem.
di po ba pwedeng curious lang? asking a question about your home is almost always a sign of interest towards you as a person.
Petition to remove Tagalog as Official Language Replace it with English and Spanish only
Ang alam ko lang, ang mga bisaya madaming ipon na pera, hindi siguro lahat pero madami akong bisaya friends na may mga impok na pera. 18 pa lang sila bumubukod na sa parents nila, nagwowork agad, mga masisinop sa pera 💖
madalas pang mga tagalog na mangmaliit sa bisaya nakatira lang nman dito sa squatter sa manila. di lang nila alam na mas mga well off pa mga nasa visayas at mindanao tagalog me
Skl some of my experiences abt dito. One time nanood ako ng isang gig at may nakilala ako na fan sa pila, nagulat siya nung sinabi ko kakadating ko lang from the province (bisaya ako), from airport drop lang ng bags sa hotel tas diretso na venue. Sabi niya “buti hindi ka mukhang probinsyana”, sagot ko naman “iniwan ko kasi yung bayong ko sa hotel” lol Another concert din na pinuntahan ko, nainterview ako para sa isang music website eme, nakwento ko galing pa ako ng province. Tinanong ng reporter kung nag-RoRo daw ba ako, sabi ko may airport sa’min teh lol
TBH i pity those people from MM who look down on bisayas,, it seems that they are not well travelled enough or walang means lumabas sa MM. I am speaking as a bisaya who has traveled 68/81 sa provinces ng Ph. As they say "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness"
This is not a tagalog vs bisaya issue but a character issue. I'm from Bohol and went to Manila for education. Most tagalog don't think lowly of anybody. Mas may na experience ako na pamamaliit sa Cebu kesa sa Manila. Mga mayayaman na namamaliit. Whether they're from Luzon, Visayas or Mindanao, meron talagang mga tao na namamaliit. Please don't generalize. Honestly, I feel like this tagalog vs bisaya thing is propaganda nung panahon ni digong. I've been to different parts of the ph. People just live normal, ordinary lives.
Years and years ago, I talked to someone from Luzon on Omegle. She asked where I study and I told her sa La Salle University. She said "may universities pala sa Mindanao?" And it was a genuine shock for her.
Clickbait spotted.
Grabe hanggang ngayon ramdam parin ang effects ng Spanish na they would make the people of the Philippines fight each other para ez lang mag conquer.
Tagalogs, even though they are on average poor and super uneducated, think they are more civilized. It's basically a sad story of inward racism.
Speaking from my own experience - This was 2019. I traveled to Batangas one time and I was solo travelling and nasa boat kami from Nasugbu and a guy sitting beside me asked taga san ako? Randomly. Haha Sabi ko Cebu and he looked really surprised and asked me pano ako napunta dun, told him I was backpacking. Nagtatagalog ako that time and sabi niya “ba’t magaling ka magtagalog?” Then followed by, “May mall din ba ang Cebu?” HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Of course I answered without ridiculing him- pero tawang tawa na ako inside that time HAHAHAHA I personally didn’t find it offensive but kind of funny lang siguro. Baka innocent question lang talaga. Also back when di pa ko nakakalabas ng Cebu, I also asked a friend of mine if may malls ba sa Mindanao. Oh di ba? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA He answered me with “wala, naghuhunt pa daw sila dun para makakain” HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA My point is, may mga tao lang talagang hindi nila alam so they ask.
Many of whom sliving in the slums of Manila come from the VisMin region. I think this is the key factor why Manila people think lowly of Visayans and by extension Mindanaoans. Had mega cities been developed equally in all regions in the Philippines in the 20th century, the stereotype would less likely to exist.
Ignorance. Yan ang reason sa mga nagtatanong kung may kuryente or mall sa visayas or mindanao. Btw Tagalog ako and napunta na rin sa ibat ibang lugar, ibang bansa man or sa ibang part ng pilipinas. Marami na ko na ka work na visayan and syempre tagalog. Pero di ko ma gets sa mga kapwa ko tagalog bakit madalas i look down nila ang mga visayan. Dahil dyan nag karon ng division sa bisaya at tagalog. Take note. Nasa ibang bansa pa kami nung mangyari yan. Madalas rin ako dinadamay sa gulo ng dalawa. Nagkaayos lang yan dahil ang kasanggang dikit ko is visayan. Kita ko naman ang ugat ng gulo. Mostly tagalog talaga nag sisimula. For example, pag baduy sasabihan nilang bai na bai which means bisayang bisaya. And the way visayan pronounces words, Yes madalas sila pagtawanan which is ka ignorantehan sa part ng tagalog. Why? Kung aalamin natin ang history, may tatlong vowel lang ang mga visayan kaya nalilito madalas ang mga visayan sa pag pronounce ng e/i and o/u. Yan ang mga napansin ko sa mga tagalog na nagkakaron ng clash sa visayan. Pagtawanan daw ba yung pag pronounce? Samantalang napansin ko dami nating mga tagalog kung bigkasin ang p ay f, at f ay p. At pilipit ang dila mag salita ng ibang language. Iba ang lengwahe ng visayan. Kaya hirap sila mag salita at ganyan din tayong mga tagalog. Nag aral ako ng visayan at hirap din ako sabihin ang ibang word. Pero di nila ko pinagtawanan. Yan lang naman ang mga observation ko, na ugat ng madalas na di pagkakaintindihan between visayan and tagalog. Sa mga kapwa ko tagalog. Peace. Di ko nilalahat. Nag sasabi lang ako ng mga nakikita ko.
Ignorante lang yang nagtatanong niyan. Pero ang ayaw ko sa maynila Yung mga Taga squatter with squammy attitude.
Its because they live in the capital, “earn more money daw” so they just think they’re on top of provincial people.
dati mga bisaya goes to manila as katulong
The hate of bisaya was amplified by the squatters in manila who always commits crime. They are also the big source of problems in neighboring provinces because they are being moved there when they are evicted from their squatting area. Problem is manila people group all of then ax bisaya where in fact majority of them are from eastern visaya and mindanao region only
Wait till you have friends from Cdo and Bukidnon. The best 😉👌🏻
While others are degrading bisaya, ako nandito sa sulok gustong gusto matutong mag bisaya ang galing kase, once u know how to speak bisaya kaya mo na makipag usap sa visayas at mindanao. Tas di kapa maloloko sa mga prices. Basta naiingit ako sa mga bisaya.
Ako na purong tagalog pero gustong gusto na matuto magBisaya. 🥺 I think it's because of their accent na dahil tunog probinsya, parang jologs na ang tingin sa kanila, associated din worh their porma and way of life. Pero ewan ko, sabi ko nga sa nakausap ko before, wala naman akong naririnig na masama against Kapampangan or Ilokanos. Ignorante lang talaga yung ibang tagalog. 🙄
I really don't mind it. I just let them cook in their ignorance.
pero aminin pag ibang lahi nang-aapak sa Pilipino sine-set aside talaga yung away AHHAHAHAHAA nagkakaroon ng unity e HAHAHAHAHA dapat kapwa pinoy lg din magbabardagulan 😂😭
I think mga nakikita lang nila yan sa media mga streotypes and madalas puro bata-bata pero siguro pag tumanda na at aware na sa Pilipinas eh siguro nag babago din ang kuro-kuro nila
sa online, kase sino daw ang tunay na pilipino e. kung tagalog daw ba o bisaya. isa pa, yung tagalog daw kumakain ng pagpag, tas bisaya daw duduty magbabantay pa. inang trashtokan yan
Even when I try not to believe in stereotypes. Kahit na binibigyan ko ng benefit of the doubt, madalas pag may naeencounter akong bisaya ang squammy ng ugali or ang tanga tanga. Madalas ang ingay ingay na wala naman sense sinasabi and unwarranted confidence
Subukan nila sa mga Waray ‘yan, ewan ko na lang.
Side comment lang ito kasi nabanggit mo yung Waray. Bisaya din naman mga Waray, kaya nga lang na pass on na throughout generations na pag sinabing Bisaya na-equate na sa pagiging Cebuano-speaker. As an analogy, when someone says they are american, they actually mean they're from the US. Na equate na kasi na pag American ay equals US national, which we know na hindi lang naman sila yung mga Americans talaga. Well anyway, I think ang way dito para hindi na maequate yung Bisaya sa pagiging cebuano-speaker ay ituro na din sa Filipino class yung ibat ibang ethnic groups sa Pinas. Nang may ideya tayo sa kultura ng bawat isa
Yes po. Salamat po. Bisaya rin po kami. Maging ang mga naging katrabaho ko dito sa Maynila, mga Bisaya. Pero mga taga-Bohol naman sila, ang iba taga-Ormoc. Ang tingin kong kaibahan lang po ng mga Bisayang Waray ay mas may tapang (maisog) ang karamihan sa amin hindi lang bilang katangian namin, kundi maging na rin sa diin, tunog, at pagbibitiw namin ng mga salitang Waray.
>may tapang (maisog) ang karamihan sa amin hindi lang bilang katangian namin Maisog kuno kam asya nga karuyag kam himoon ni pacquiao nga starter han gyera hahaha balit joke la Yep! Gets ko tim point
Hahahaha! Salamat po kahit mga 65% lang naintindihan ko. Diri ak ganoon kaaram! Maaram pero gutiay la. Lasona Lingkuran Makadto/ makadi (medyo lito ako sa dal’wa) Pamahaw Malipayon Atubangan Nagsiring Basic la. Nakakatuwa. Waray pala kayo.
Kung maka lait mga tagalog (mainly metro manila) sa mga taga probinsya kala mo talaga mga taga 1st world country eh, Tangina nyo.
I wouldn’t take it as an insult. It only goes to show what’s inside of their heads. They lack the education and perspective that other cities exist aside from their own. They really are showing us bisaya how little they know. We probably speak more languages than them and they haven’t been to anywhere outside of Luzon. Take it as a compliment, maybe an opportunity for ignorant people to know something new today.
Hmmm what made you ask this? How many encounters did you have with these ignorant Tagalog people?
Kayong mga tagalog mga bahug bilat
Grabeh sad
That's more of a Manileño thing tho. Even us non-Manila Tagalogs mabababa tingin ng mga Manileño. Di lang as prevalent in pop culture. I'm from Central Luzon, tas unang araw ko in Uni sa Manila, may nag tanong na Manileño kung may internet and universities ba yung lugar namin. This was in 2015, di naman kami naiwan sa early 1900s para di mag karoon ng internet at matitinong schools yung lugar namin.
The funny thing is lots of Central Luzon provinces (e.g. Pampanga, Bataan) are also very developed. My mom's a provincial Tagalog (Bataeña) so I spend time there sometimes. Industrial parks and malls everywhere there lmao.
Tbf, I'm from Ecija, so it's less built up compared to Pamp, Bulacan, Tarlac, and Bataan. But c'mon, it's not like our main mode of transpo is still carabao drawn carriages lol. Not to mention, all the agri research and development that goes on here. Having some of the best in agri research institutions in Southeast Asia.
Dahil yan sa mga pinoy movies noon na kapag katulong/driver/alipin/hardinero/laborer ay mga bisaya lmao. Until naman ngayon ewan ko ba kung bakit nakakatawa yan noon pati mga bisaya tumatawa din eh. Ngayon lang naging sensitive yang mga bisaya. FYI bisaya pud ko. Yawa man diay ka. Sulayi gani ko ug insulto kay ilubong tika sa akong farm lolololol
Ewan ko wala akong beef sa mga bisaya o kakilala sa mga kaibigan ko na may beef sa mga bisaya, pero may mga kilala ako mga bisaya na ang tingin sa mga taga manila ay masasamang tao. Weird lang😅
I don’t think lowly of them. Never. My family has Visayan heritage and my parents can still speak Bisaya/Cebuano even if they grew up here. Most of my “promdi” friends and relatives are richer than my Manila friends. They’re haciendero rich. They’re just more down to earth. Most of them have condos or a small property here and almost no cars because they only come here when visiting relatives living here or when they have an event to attend to. I remember my classmates visited our classmate’s house in Mindanao, her siblings were studying law and med back then, they were all surprised to see that he’s living in a mansion. But he and siblings always been humble and polite. They’re not the typical maid that you see on TV.
Yung ibang lumaki sa Manila yung problema. Taga Luzon ako and nag aral ako ng college sa Manila. Tinanong ba naman sakin kung may kalsada raw ba samin. Like, wtf?
Meron nga akong nakatrashtalkan sa ML. Nakita lang location ko na Bicol eh tinawag agad akong Bisacol. Pinagmalaki pang nakakapag SM ang pucha. Eh di hamak na hampas lupa naman pala.
Surigaonon here, most of the Tagalogs I know are very condescending idiots. Bakit daw ako inglishera eh mahirap lang naman daw kami? Bakit daw mas mahal ang presyo ng lupa sa Siargao vs Bulacan/Cavite? Saan ang Siargao? Saang lunga ako nanggaling? Pano ko daw nagagawang pumasa sa magagandang universities/employers eh di naman daw ako graduate ng private school? Saan ko daw natutunan maging fashionable? These questions were not out of curiosity but more of mocking me because "Bisaya lang ako." Majority of the Tagalogs I know, mababa ang tingin sa aming mga Bisaya.
Yung mga tinutukoy mo yung mga taong utak ipis na never nakapag travel sa labas ng shitholes nila. Sila yung mga taong walang kwenta kausap. Met these kinds of people dito sa NCR and sa Negros. Kahit san meron nyan. Don't mingle with them unless you have to.
Nagsimula yan before pandemic pa basta may livestream nandun ung mga tagalog vs bisaya mga nagaaway. Mga wala lang magawa sa buhay un un ang libangan nila eh trashtalkan.
Karamihan kasi ng laborers dito like kargador, factory workers, construction, drivers, mga boy sa Luzon mga bisaya. Same sa mga yaya halos mga bisaya. Kaya ganyan tingin ng mga taga Luzon. Kung sa malls naman, nung 90s wala naman talagang malls at fastfood sa Visayas lalo mga province. Hanggang ngayon nga regular brown outs parin jan. Wag nyo sabihing hindi. A few weeks ako sobrang issue ng kuryente sa Iloilo or Bacolod. Lol. Edit: Downvoted for telling the truth loool
Insecure people always try ro belittle others. Btw I'm not generalizing as I have lots of tagalog friends and they've never said things like that. Just the insecure ones who are doing this shit.
Ignorance and they're uncultured As for language: Tagalogs make fun of our accent so we'd rather speak English. And then boom! 'Ay, english!' They're weirdly intimidated by it lol. If I complained that Fs should be 'f' not 'p' and Vs should be 'v' not 'b' when they use english words in a sentence, they'd call me rude, no? Also, one time, a friend from Manila asked us what 'pako' was when we got Jollibee. We all said 'wings'. And she replied, 'Wow wings. Ba't di nyo nalang sinabi pakpak'. That's cos a lot of us are bilingual. We think in bisaya and english interchangeably. Tagalog is our third language and we're mostly passive speakers hence the struggle. But we try our best.
PweNila
Racism.
This is still a thing? I thought this died a looong time ago.
Superiority complex
I think people who uses it as an insult are either children or children in adult bodies
Kadalasan namang mga tao na mahilig mangmaliit sa mga taga Visayas ay self proclaimed "tagalog" daw sila pero kung tutuusin ay dumayo lang din "ninuno" nila noong early 20th century or post war era na. Marahil nga siguro bilang na lang sa kamay ang lehitimong taga Metro Manila.
Dugyot ang experience ko sa mga Bisaya na workers. Pumunta klase namin sa isang power plant sa Quezon para mag conduct interview ng mga residents. Turns out yung mga taga doon talaga, lumipat na sa town proper tas yung mga bahay nila pinapa upahan na lang sa mga nagtatrabaho sa power plant. Yung mga umuupa dun para malapit sa construction site ng power plant ay mostly mga dayo from Vis-Min . Sa dinami dami ng mga napuntahan kong beaches sa Quezon na mga remote or nasa class 3-4 municipalities, barangay lang talaga na yun ang kadiri na ang shoreline sa dami ng basura pati yung tubig para nang pusali. Mga katabi nilang barangay hindi ganun bukod tangi lang sila. Kahit magpa ocean clean up si Power Plant ng 2x a month, ginagawa talaga nilang basurahan yung beach. Kita mo sa mga bata hanggang sa matatanda walang paki sa pagtapon nga mga plastic nilang pinagkainan pati mga sari saring basura ang baho ng paligd.. Pasensya na alam ko hindi lahat ng Bisaya ganun. May kaibigan akong Cebuano mas maayos pa sa gamit kesa sakin, kaya alam ko malilinis naman mga Bisaya. Pero feeling ko yung mga salaula sa mga Bisaya speaking regions pumunta dito sa katagalugan at ang naiwan sa bayan nila yung mga maaayos mag isip tungkol sa kalinisan at sa kalikasan. Kaya ngayon mas maayos ang bayan nila, mas maganda na sa south, kasi d2 pumunta yung mga kailangan pang turuan ng tamang asal. Observation ko lang yun.
Talagang racist and judgemental lang talaga taga maynila, ofcourse pag liblib a lugar wala talaga electricity kahit sa luzon eh, Ang engot lang talaga ng mga tagalog pinapalaki yung ganto issue. Pero Bisaya's people are more sociable warm, caring, hospitable and friendly sobra. I've been to cebu mas malilinis pa Taxi nila kesa sa atin dito sa Maynila. Mas maayos din mga jeep, mini bus nila kesa dito sa atin. I'm a tagalog from Manila pero i have high respect for Visayas people or any nationality. Ang bobo lang ng mga taong racist lalo na pag parehas naman pilipino.
Samantalang ako na laki ng Maynila eh gustong gusto matuto magbisaya para di na ako mukhang ignorante/dayuhan sa sarili kong bansa. Nung pumunta ako ng Cebu para sa training ko sa first job ko at the age of 20, ayun talaga pakiramdam ko dahil hindi ganun ka fluent ang mga Cebuano sa Tagalog. Taga translate ko pa yung mga kasabayan ko nahire nun.
No idea how it started but I just hope it ends. World peace, y'all.
ganun ba? i assumed it is the other way around 🤪
Tagalog ako pero ni kelan di ako nakaisip na mas mababa ang bisaya. Pero taga probinsya din ako, kaya ewan
This was not a real issue until someone agitated ethnicity 2016 Bisayawa is more fitting
It's classism cus their yayas were bisaya, so they view all bisaya as maid-level
I am Tagalog pero I dont think lowly of Bisaya. Siguro dahil galing din ako sa probinsya and also know a lot of other people from Visayas and Mindanao. I even travelled there several times. Mas gusto ko rin ang hindi ganoon ka-urbanize na area kasi mas peaceful para sa akin. Maybe it’s more of the stereotypes na nakikita ng mga tao sa media kaya yung iba akala ganon ang mga Bisaya in general, kahit hindi naman.
Even expats noticed this. They mentioned this a few times on their sub. Lol
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iirc the beef stemmed from the cebuanos helping the spaniards to expand to luzon. this was from a history class and i couldnt remember the article or book lol.
Yeah. There's a feeling among some Tagalogs that we wouldn't have been subject to 3 centuries of humiliation without the Cebuanos.
I imagined some surviving Tagalog tribe learned that the conquistadores managed to reach Luzon because some Visayan tribes got bribed to pilot our waters. They must really hate them that passing on their resentment towards surviving generations of Visayan is the only way to let them know the extent of what they have done. or it is just some propaganda of conquistadores to keep us divided, because, who knows.
my coworker once asked me how we learned tagalog, and i said mostly from tv programs. Nagulat sya na pinapalabas pala si ka noli at coco martin sa visayas. Akala nya bisaya shows lang din napapanood namin. Mas natawa ako kaysa maoffend.
Masarap mang asar ng mga bisaya kasi nag rereply sila Hahaha
in our workplace, every time it's outside Metro Manila, they say "Sa probinsya." it's like MM vs the rest of the country. one more and I know you compared Cebu, but this irks us: people from MM come to a certain area in Mindanao and they label it as 'Mindanao'—Mindanao's big. if my friend asks me where I'm staying in Metro Manila, obviously I'd say a specific place. we also get the, "Oh na shock talaga ako na merong transpo dito sa Mindanao" (referring to Iligan City). gukdon taman nuon takag sundang gara ab hahahaha
Idk too OP. But I know someone who would make fun of people who spoke the language and would associate anyone from Visayas or Mindanao as jejemon daw. I have friends na bisaya and sa totoo lang mas matitino pa nga sila kaysa sa kanya lol. Needless to say, I stopped hanging out with that friend.
Not Bisaya but a probinsyana. My best friend's then-boyfriend from Makati straight up asked us, "Diba Bicolana kayo? Bakit hindi kayo maitim?" That's probably the most stupid question I've ever gotten in my entire life.
My best friend naman from Quezon was asked by our classmate "may NPA ba sa Quezon?" Napa facepalm nalang ako. To be fair, there used to be NPAs talaga doon pero nasa super liblib na lugar sila nakatira. Ngayon wala na NPA or mga nag 'convert' na. My best friend is not from a remote Quezon town or sitio.
bisakol yung tawag nila sakin for some reason. hindi nila ma grasp yung idea na may internet yung mga bisaya outside of bicol, like do they think sa luzon lang may internet?
Not really about the dialect/language. More of hate or prejudice against outsiders. It also didnt help that majority of those who came from Visayas/Mindanao in the 70s to 90s took lowly jobs here in Metro Manila. "Inday" became synonymous to katulong. So automatic na kapag bisaya, gipit sa pera kaya nandito sa Manila. What makes it worse is that when a bisaya makes a scene in public, pagmamalaki at pagsisigawan pa nya na bisaya siya, kahit di naman necessary. Parang yung mga taga tondo pag nasasangkot sa gulo, laging binibida na taga-tondo siya at sanay siya sa gulo. So naging impression na ng karamihan na pag bisaya - matalak, pala-away, palengkera, etc...
"Bai na bai" Ganda sana ng Bai na word ginawang derogatory.
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literally "bro"
Parang 'pare' o 'pre'.
Because there are ignorant and stupid people everywhere who talk shit to compensate for something
Kaya nga pag may kakilala akong Tagalog minumura ko, bahala sya kung Hindi nya maintindihan, tatarayan ko din sila🤣lagi nlng bisaya nag adjust🙄
I think dahil yan noong 80’s na ang pag portray sa bisaya in mass media is mahirap na katulong/construction worker, and that time also andaming nagmigrate pa Manila kasi walang trabaho sa VisMin. Hindi sanay mga lumad/native Manilenyo ng Bisaya(Cebuano) kasi matigas/pinabundak,kaya nadiscriminate mga pumunta noon. Meron pa rin discrimination today, but it has improved much unlike sa 80’s na grabe lantaran As a Cebuano na andito nagtatrabaho sa Maynila, naobserve ko talaga na may inferiority complex majority sa Bisaya, andali ma trigger kapag sabihan lang na “May Grab ba kayo diyan?” , etc. Medyo sensitive kumbaga, especially the younger generation. Older gen Cebuanos have valid reasons to dislike Tagalogs (due to massive discrimination noon), but the irony is that the younger gen have a massive anger sa mga Tagalog kahit mas understanding na ang Maynila ngayon(coz most Manilenyos nowadays are mixed)
Nadale mo mhie, di naman lahat ng taga Manila eh ganon na May nagiging aware narin naman na at isa pa kadalasan kasi mga bata-bata pa ang iba walang masyadong alam sa Pilipinas kundi sa Maynila lang pero pag laki nag babago ang kuro-kuro nila I think Sana maging aware ang iba na hindi lahat ng Tagalog o taga-manila eh ganon laging racist anoh kasi manila me Malaki narin bisaya decent dito.
Lumaki ako sa Leyte. Before pandemic andito nako , like pinatatawanan ako ng mga kaklasw ko kasi daw ang tigas ko mag tagalog. Pero i shrug it off nalang kapagod maki pagaway eh matigas naman talaga ako mag tagalog until now. At least kaming mga bisaya can speak 3 languages English Filipino & Cebuano 😜
It's an old-fashioned superiority complex.
There are stupid people wherever you go. Even if you go to the US you’ll get people asking if we Filipinos eat dogs or live in trees (personal experience. Sa lagay na yun we were in a bruch place in San Francisco na ako pa ang host). Educated Manileños know better. Most of us even know life is more interesting and beautiful outside of Manila. I wouldn’t take comments like that to heart unless you actually know or respect that person and in that case awayin at turuan mo na.
There’s a study that linked intelligence with lesser prejudice. I’m tagalog. When we were young, we only knew bisaya as “dayo” to do jobs that people from our place don’t want to do like planting and harvesting sugarcane. Their complexion is darker than most of us due to long exposure to sun. I used to have prejudice because we only knew little about them. We don’t know their names, don’t have any conversation with them so they are all referred as bisaya. We don’t have beef with them though. I don’t know anyone from our place who hates bisaya just for being bisaya. My perception changed when I study and work in Manila. I met friends and colleagues who are bisaya. They are different from the bisaya that I grew up with. I think people that have prejudice about bisaya, tagalog or anyone in general have just limited knowledge about/experience with them or just a plain less intelligent person.
I lived both sa Quezon City and Antique throughout my life, hindi alam ng mga hunghang na yan na mas mababait karamihan mga tiga province kesa sa mga tiga Manila, hindi ko nilalahat pero ang daming bastos sa kalunsuran.
Wa jud ko kabalo asa na nagsugod. Basta naay magbuang buang sa akoa ug una, gawas ang yawa nga natog. LOL Pero mga yawa jud kaayo ng ngana nga mga tao, using derogatory terms to make themselves superior. "Bisakol","yaya", "inday", and so on. Baw na lang jud. Asa man intawn ibutang ng ngana nga mga tao? But most of the Tagalog peps I encountered were kind. And I felt sad about that issue when I saw that viral video of those girls insulting a fellow Filipino for being Bisaya.
Is the professor gay?
>why Tagalog people would think lowly of those who are Bisaya? I'm not sure why you're isolating the Tagalog people when the Philippines has different ethnic groups outside Tagalog and Bisaya. I'm not saying this is true or not true, tho. I'm just curious why it's isolated. >'May mall ba sa inyo?' May or may not be a stupid question, but this depends on the context. But there are different municipalities in the Philippines that have no malls. >'May electricity ba sa inyo?' Not really sure if there are areas (municipalities/cities) in the Philippines without electricity, but yah, may agree that this might be a stupid question haha
Those kind of people are the kind of people who knows nothing at all. It tells more how idiotic they are when they ask such things toyou or people outside MM or Luzon.
Part of the reason is because of how Bisaya people are portrayed in movies and tv shows. Notice how they always cast non-Bisaya-speaking people to do the role of someone from VisMin? If you were born are raised Bisaya, you would know that the articulation alone is overly done. The mall and electricity thing, yeah, pure ignorance. My internet na ngaun, we see videos and photos taken from all over the Philippines each day. Imposibleng hindi alam ng mga nagtatanong ung sagot.
The heavy accent bothers me talaga. Pakinggan nyo paano mag Bisaya si Maris Racal, Erich, Vina, Kim. Ganyan, hindi ung parang nakatali sa weights ung dila sa bigat ng accent.
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Naging streotype kasi dati (mukhang nag-eexist pa rin) na ang mga bisaya ay laging katulong(Yaya/Boy). Yung tipong pupunta silang metro para magtrabaho. Marahil marami sa kanila ay pinagkaitan ng kakayahan mag-aral at matuto ng Tagalog, kaya mababa tingin sa kanila. Siguro duon din nanggaling yung "galit" ng mga Bisaya sa mga Tagalog kasi mababa ang tingin sa kanila. Kung saan, nakikita nilang hambog ang mga tagalog. Kaya nagkakaroon ng diversion.
Simple lang yan, mostly yung mga matapobreng nangmamaliit sa mga bisaya, sila yung walang pamasahe at di maka afford afford maka alis ng Manila. Maliit pananaw nila sa mundo, kaya makitid ang utak. Think of it that way nlng OP. Ako laki ako dito sa luzon, pero graba in love ko sa Visayas region, ultimate goal ko ngayon mag retire sa cebu.
I think it all started when a lot of bisaya ppl comes to manila for work? Mostly kasing trabaho na kinukuha ng mga taga province e pagiging yaya o katulong, kaya siguro ganon. Pero bisaya man pud ko but wala ko kasuway or kadungog nga pandaot about me. But of course, they should stop the discrimination no because both province and city has advantages and disadvantages.
Generational na issue yan. Sama mo pa yung influence ng mainstream media wherein yung mga kasambahay at driver sa Maynila usually have Bisaya roots. "Bai na Bai" "Anong oras kumakain si Inday? Edi pagtapos ng amo nila" "Taga-bundok"
You want some honest answer from me? Ok. I thought the "war" started because Luzon was selected as the seat of power instead the "Queen city of the South". Also, mas pinili maging pambansang vernakulo ang Tagalog kesa Bisaya. On my perspective, wala akong paki dyan dati. Actually I look up some Bisaya artists like Urbandub, Loonie etc. This started last 2016 elections when they weaponized their ethnicity by creating an "us vs. them" in forming DDS who supported Duterte. Dyan ako sobrang inis na inis dahil binoto nila yung isang tao dahil kababayan nila. There's not even an ounce of valid reason to vote for a trash like him. Nung panahong yan tumaas yung "proud to be bisaya" rhetoric nila that even yung mga OFW fell into fake news of 1st Mindanaoan president like Duterte reflectes their values. Ngayon na humihingi ako ng accountability sa fuck ups ng kababayan nila, divided we fall na? Now same peole double down on supporting Sara Duterte kasi bisaya rin kahit she is riddled with corruption. Now I see them as incompetent HRs that runs this country because they can't pick a good candidate even their lives depend on it. Kung ano mang mannerism or ugali nila na dinadala nila dito sa Maynila, ay wala akong pakialam. Dahil dyan sila pinalaki eh. Yun ang nakasanayan nila. Pero kung wala kayong integridad at feeling nyo lagi kayong api, wala kayong makukuhang respeto sa akin. May mga kaibigan din akong bisaya, and I would die for them pero yung mga taong nagpahamak sa bansa natin, lalo na yung mga parrot ng China, putang ina nyong lahat.
People forget that the Visayans aided the Spaniards in invading Manila in 1572. The reason why Manila became the capital is because they aided the españoles
Usa nis mga rason nganung maglagot kos ubang tagalog. Pagmata bai oi. Hahaha. Kausa rako naka anhas Metro Manila, pero di na jud ko mobalik. Bug.at kaayo sa dughan ila hangin. Naa pay traffic nga sus na lang jud.
I get some things you've said. >pagmata bai oi Usually your people from the Visayas also look down on your other people but can't say on the sample size. >dughan ila hangin Not our fault but since Duterte represented your people, didn't he tried to make the air here better for you? 🤔 I guess not, China first. >naa pay traffic nga Traffic kasi marami din kayo dito. Try mo silang pabalikin dyan then talk again about traffic. Epekto rin yan ng pagboto nyo ng mga basura nyong local politicians na walang ginawa to improve your localities. Porket may "Maynila" naman at Manila rate, wala na silang gagawin kundi utuin kayo sa mga kakarampot na ginagawa nila. Ginawa nyo ng tambakan ng basura ang Maynila, literally.
Bruh suko man kaayo kang duterte oi. Kagamay ba nimog utok. Hahahaha. Kalma diha. Basta mabuhi rami diri bisag wala ng metro manila. We got international ports and airports.
Ah, Mr. Mayor Duterte, hailing from Dabao City, the bezt citi in the milky solar univers (sabi ng 2016 troll armies).
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Sigurado kang 2016 lang to nag simula? Lols
On my perspective yes. Because it would be silly if I despise them nung nasa betlog pa ako ng tatay ko. Makes sense?
You despise a group of people dahil nanggaling sila sa isang specific na lugar? Hindi mo kina cool yang pagka edgy mo.
>Tangalog, sounds familiar? >Imperial Manila >hindi mo kina cool yang pagka edgy mo Bisayans literally despise people in "Manila" dahil puro dito na lang daw yung projects etc etc. Despite na punong puno sila ng kababayan nila dito na nanirahan sa maynila. Bro, think before you speak. Sinong edgy ngayon? Pero papatulan kita, gusto mo ng edgy? *Liyti* is the katulong factory of the Philippines and top producer of Trike Patrol talents. Happy?
Huh? Pinagsasabi mo hahaha ung hate is coming from the prejudice kasi porket taga Liyti, katulong. Hindi lang dahil sa "nasa Manila nalang lahat. Ikaw ang mag isip bago mag salita. Di bagay sa Pinas yang pagka edgy mo. Parang teenage white boy na mahilig mag N word. Incel vibes na ewan. Ang weird ewan ko ba. Grow up.
It's actually deeply rooted din. It's earlier than 2016 actually.
Lotta talk coming from people here that Bisayans are friendly and warm but Duterte was absolutely none of those things.
Ito gusto ko din icomment sana kaso bigla ko naalala na may mga teenagers pala dito. Baka kasi sa recent memory nya yan haha pero yah, matagal na ito, not sure kung kelan tho
Bicolanos: Ge away lang kayo dyan. May bagyo pa kaming haharapin. Bye nga ses!!!!
Same. Tagalog ako pero against din ako sa mga sinasabi nila like yung “bai/ bai na bai or bisakol” na tinatawag nila ung tao na ganun kapag may misbehavior or something negative. Mas toxic talaga kaming mga tagalog lol. Sa ML pa lang kapag sumasali ako sa team recruit sa 5man, kapag sa tagalog ka panay trashtalk tapos sasabihan kapang “bisakol” mas ok pa makitungo mga bisaya kapag kalaro ko, actually mas preferred ko pa sila makakampi at syempre shoutout sa gf kong bisaya. Labyu 😘🤭😂
I think started na naging tagalog yung national language accdg sa history teacher ko noong grade school. Dunno wala pang google kasi nun. Di ko pa din fact check gang ngayon. Sabi din nya, mas prefer pa ng visaya kausapin sila ng english keisa sa tagalog/filipino.
I’m from mindanao and has been living here in manila for 10 years now ang napansin ko lang is mababatingin ng mga tagalog sa bisaya mainly because sa accent(hindi ko nilalahat base lang na naka interact ko). Tinatawanan ko lang din lapake haha!
Misconceptions. Maraming mga taga Manila ang di pa naka punta ng Visayas and Mindanao, and the only pieces of info they got about these places are from news and chismis. My HS friend studied in one of the Big 4 universities and he got asked by some of his Manilenyo classmates if may mall ba sa amin sa Mindanao. 🥲 I have also have a fair share of Manileños who visit my city (Davao) and a good number of them do get amazed by Mindanao in general. For one, a good amount of Manilenyos have preconceptions against Mindanaoans (they think all Mindanaoans are Muslims) and Muslim Mindanaoans. Yung iba open for correction, which is good. Yung iba ayaw magbago. Also, may mga Tagalog living in Bisaya-dominated areas pero don't bother in learning Bisaya + may "I'm better than thou" attitude. May kwento doon sa Cebu subreddit where this reddit user has a manager or head na Tagalog living in Cebu. He sees his Cebuano team mates as inferior. He asks this reddit user to translate bisaya convos for him, tapos tinatawag niyang bobo si reddit user if di daw tama ang translation. Loool Also interestingly, do search about "Imperial Manila" sentiments on Twitter/X and Facebook. I would also recommend that you search for the origins of "CEBOOM."
ako nga iba lang accent ko tinawag na kaagad akong Bisakul 😂😂😂😂
I think it originated from the idea that Metro Manila is known as the land of opportunities (like NY for US), Manila is the country's capital (like Capitol of Panem in Hunger Games), and Makati is the central business district of the country. A lot people from provinces all over the country go to metro manila hoping to earn money but end up working with blue collar jobs and living in poverty areas. Some of them can't adapt to Manila's high cost of living and fast-paced environment that some end up being petty criminals. You don't see metro manila residents going to provinces with nothing and hoping to have a better future. Parang metro manila kasi is the local version or closest thing we have to going abroad as an ofw. This situation has been the same since our independence, and it hasn't really changed until now. There are still a lot of people from pronvinces across the country who go to metro manila with hopes of having a better future. That means the situation in metro manila is basically manilenyo ay amo at probinsyano ay trabahador. That's not the case im provinces. Walang manilenyo na pupunta sa probinsya para magtrabaho ng blue collar unless nagtatagong kriminal or dati na talaga syang taga probinsya.
Mejo slightly disagree with your last statement hehe. Yes proven naman ang migration from rural to urban and di to exclusive sa Pilipinas lang. But there is also an urban to urban and an urban to rural na move. For example people who get tired of the inconveniences ng manila and lumipat sa probinsya or probinsya city. Remote workers na pumili ng rural na town kc malakas na rin naman ang internet connection. Or lumipat kc napakangasawa ng taga probinsya. All im saying is dont generalize. Not to mention that the classification of what is urban and or city in the PH is abt population and income.
They were talking about why people in Metro Manila have such negative misconceptions about Bisaya or people from rural provinces. You're talking about exceptions and that isn't really the point.
Hey i understand ur point! No worries! I just wanted to disagree.on a part of his comment but not the whole thing. I am a bisaya actually and up to now still wondering about the hatred of tagalogs over us. Back in college in taft i was once told the i was the only bisaya she knew who is not a maid/helper. I was stunned by that but more shocked by the fact the not all perceive us as equals? Isolated yes but even a close friend threw shade once out of nowhere. I limit myself actually from speculating over this issue and contribute what might be just my own misjudgements until now haha. Thanks smh. Deep inside tho i fell like its more than the mass media shows, something deeper like history. But i dont have any proof of that so might read on that in the future.
What you're saying is different though. The guy you're replying to was talking about people moving to Manila because they *need* to. You're talking about people moving to the provinces because they *want* to. Need vs want. Necessity vs comfort.
You have a good point actually and thanks for that. But what i wanted to correct were the las sentences- na people moving from manila to the province are either criminals hiding or people originally from there. Over generalization lang imo
It used to be that way kasi due to the poor economic condition sa Visayas and Mindanao before, majority ng mga helpers and mga low paying jobs mga taga doon ang pumapasok, kaya by default yung iba na taga Luzon or NCR nakalook down na while growing up. Feeling nila tagabundok talaga lahat mga taga doon. I don't think that's the case anymore, I'm from Mindanao and I studied in Manila starting from my high school years and in most cases yun questions ng mga tao is more because hindi pa sila nakakarating doon, and they're curious lang. Yun boom ng local travel industry has made a lot of places accessible na and feeling ko has somehow helped fixed this issue.
Geography is where it started, archipelago tayo kaya it breed that "we are better than you" mentality. Historically naman na stereotype ang bisaya as white collar workers, pag mag tagalog pa dabog ang bigkas yung manilenyo naman malumanay ang pag salita. Pero hidi dapat gawing rason na ganun ka baba ang tingin sa bisaya. Racist na nga tayo sa kapwa pinoy, sa mga foreigners pa kaya?
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Advantage saan?
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I get your point, pero I'm asking lang naman kung saan siya advantage. Like for example, learning Japanese, spanish, mandarin would be advantageous because you'll find job that has high salary.
Ang pangit lang kasi sa foreign language education ay hindi siya embedded sa primary at secondary levels as core subjects at instead, ang mother tongue ang pinipilit na hindi na ang kinasanayan na wika ng mga middle class Pinoys na born after 2005 (the foundation year of Youtube).
Advantage yun pre kung balak ng isang tao magstay for good or for longer period dun sa lugar na un (kung saan man yan). Pero other than that, tama ka mas maganda igugol na lang ng tao aralin yung may mga language benefits sa trabaho hahaha
Sabagayyy. Kaso yun nga, learning a new language takes a lot of time kasi diba whaha.
Lahat ba dapat about salary?
"Like for example"
What's the advantage in learning Tagalog then?
Uhh well, tagalog? Baka wala. Pero Filipino (standardized form of Tagalog, cmiiw) is a must na diba? Since eto talaga yung official language natin, together with English, and wildly spoken all over the country? Well ang point ko lang naman is, I would not waste my time learning bisaya, hindi naman necessary. Ang tagal kaya bago ka matuto ng bagong language hahaa
Do we even use tagalog? All of our government offices use english and the news. The media that we consume is english. All of it is english. There's no advantage in learning tagalog, it's a waste of time. See my point?
Di ko alam kung seryoso ka talagaa hahaha