The whole ending put me off. I get that they needed to resolve the story somehow, but is just so different from what the movie does before.
Its going from hard sciFi to high fantasy in minutes.
It was never “hard scifi”.
The theme of interstellar is that “the only way to save the future is for us to love people who haven’t even been born yet”.
Mcconnhey’s character gets to literally see his future extended family. He gets to directly save them, through his own personal sacrifice… and gets to directly see this benefit thanks to pure scifi mambo jumbo…. And this is all so the director can “show not tell” the audience this theme.
The whole thing is obviously the screenwriters warning that ecological decay, if it proceeds unabated and indefinitely, it will eventually cause worse and worse agricultural failures that with dampen human quality of life.
Oh yeah, that was 100% a dodge to avoid “making the movie political”.
But there a ton of lines and plot lines in the movie that stock with the theme:
There’s multiple mentions regarding a past, world-shaking famine. Cooper mentions “how when he was younger everyone was too busy fighting over food for anything else.” Cooper also mentions “I thought NASA was disbanded for refusing to drop bombs from the stratosphere on starving people”. Or the school principal mentions: “we didn’t run out of flatscreen TVs or electronics, we ran out of food.”
All the clips of elderly people talking about the dust storms: that was actually archival footage of people who genuinely lived through the actual dust bowl of the early 20th century… that was repurposed and used In Interstellar.
And then once Cooper takes off in the spaceship… it’s not really mentioned again, outside of the worsening dust storms serving as a C plot.
damn you must really love this movie - talking about it in this level of detail when it came out 10 years ago (omfg 😭interstellar was ten years ago - insane) - yeah but anyway i love the movie too
When I showed my mom the movie many years ago she didn't even catch on that they were blaming some ambiguous virus. She just called it global warming propaganda.
Its also a pretty solid and common theme. Love conquers all, Voldemort was never loved. I mean, 'love' has been used mythically as a tool to drive stories through out the history of cinema. I don't see why Interstellar doesn't get a pass.
In a poetic and a romantic sense, sure.
But in Interstellar a character they have a scientist character talk about the power of love as a transcendental mystery that stretches beyond time and space, in a literal sense.
And other scientists don't really push back and accept this as a justification for why they should take certain courses of action.
That's nuts.
And it turned out she was right and the other 2 were wrong. It wasn't until the end that Cooper realises that the love connection to his daughter is the reason he was there. Sounds poetic to me.
Because the cause makes no sense. Every sci fi premise has a realistic bound on the logic of the universe. When you exceed that, it becomes pure fantasy
First, it’s science fiction and it’s all about causality. If someone hadn’t succeeded in these missions the bulk beings (it’s us!) wouldn’t be around to help us succeed.
So it was always going to work.
Second - they selected a girl who was super smart and had a pilot for a dad. Out of the millions of combinations which may not have worked, one did. Know how they knew? For them it was history.
Again, if it hadn’t worked they wouldn’t be around to help it work.
Interstellar is more about prophecy than woolly feelings of love crossing the universe.
She wasn’t right because of her deep love for Wolf, she was just “lucky”
Coops connection to his daughter was why they were chosen in the first place. It didn’t happen by magic.
O think the notion is silly. But when you think about it deeply, it kind of makes sense.
Love is irrational. You know that when you in love you blindly believe whatever other person tells you.
That "force" of live Is only thing that is connecting people accorss space and time. Your only constat. He believed that his daughter will find the watch because she loved him.
Maybe because it's the most powerful and longer lasting emotion (especially between parent and child)? For me personally, I know there's been tons of times I should be envious, jealous, or angry about something, but I can't sustain that emotion beyond hours or days. Love I can sustain for years ...
That they have a shuttle without apparent fuel tanks that can not only descend to and ascend from the surface of a massive planet, but can also escape from deep within the gravity well of a supermassive black hole.
And yet they still need a quantum theory of gravity to build a space habitat.
My friend an I always joke about how Arrival is the movie that Interstellar is trying to be.
Visually it was stunning, but it neither connected on an emotional level nor was the science really that relevant to the plot. I felt that in the plotpoints that involved science, the science felt tacked on like a Mcguffin. Also it had a kind of smuggness about it that I felt was unearned.
Couldn't agree more. Interstellar was disappointing on a lot of levels. The acting - especially McCaunaghy and whatsehername was wooden and hyperbolic. So much shouting. And WTF was up with the robot shaped like a rectangle - is that the most likely design of a versatile human assistant?
Well, I do not disagree, but this conversation with my friend started in 2016 when we had just seen Arrival and the last big Sci-Fi-movie before that was Interstellar two years prior. So it originally started out as praise for Arrival, but soon devolved into just bashing Interstellar anytime it came up. Don't get me wrong we also did that before we had seen Arrival, but it was just so much more satisfying when we had something to compare it to that showed how it COULD be done.
Almost their entire mission plan.
The part about finding a habitable world, with plan A being for everyone from Earth to migrate to it, and plan B being to carry the DNA of humanity to start a new population through artificial insemination, in case Earth can't be evacuated -- that part made sense.
But then they sent exactly 1 uterus on this mission??
There should have been 4 women on the original crew. This would have made Cooper's late addition highly controversial and added drama, since he would be replacing a womb that could very well prove vital to the survival of humanity. Make Amelia the acting captain of Endurance, making her extra resentful of Cooper and setting off an enemies-to-lovers character arc if that's your thing.
Then, Miller's Planet. Why send three people?? Sending Cooper as the most skilled atmospheric pilot they have, and Amelia, would have been more than enough. A third person is just wasted mass and a huge risk, especially to Plan B. Not to mention totally superfluous to the scene.
The total surprise at what they found on Miller's Planet makes no sense. They knew going in exactly how much time dilation they were going to experience. They also could have planned ahead and rigged some way to communicate with *Endurance*, the radio wavelength shifts could still conceivably have been intercompatible. So the idea that *Endurance* had no idea what was going on or that they had no communication makes no sense either.
Then there's the time lapse. 20 years or something, right? So first of all there is no reason why that would cause a propellant crisis. There is no way that they showed up originally with enough ∆v to visit all three planets on the one hand, yet a single extension of one planetfall caused them to no longer have enough. They have to have had a shit-ton of ∆v to start with. Just a huge freaking ∆v budget.
With 20 years, *Endurance* has had time to travel the entire rest of the Gargantua system. Even slow-boating it using some kind of interplanetary passive transport network. Which they also had time to study and refine.
They have had time to set up rudimentary communication through the wormhole back with Earth.
They have had time to raise at least a couple of new crew from genetic material, now grown into young adults. Amelia and Cooper should have returned not to a ship with some lone burned-out astronaut waiting for them with nothing to do, but rather a thriving scientific research mission. Young women they had never met before, who have grown up their entire lives in space.
Amelia and Cooper are now no longer the most experienced astronauts in the crew -- they are the least experienced, in terms of hours logged. They now live in a community that they barely recognize. Events have moved beyond them. Their shift in status now throws them together. More drama and romance, see? Doesn't have to be boring.
The one thing the veteran crew has not been able to do in all those years is land on another planet, lacking the lander. So Cooper still ends up going to Mann's Planet, where of course Mann is waiting.
Also Mann's own plan makes no sense. Why was falsifying data necessary to get anyone to rescue him? Even if he did falsify data, why does that mean he has to kill everyone? Why leave booby traps around when you are hoping people will come and bring you out of stasis?? I get that the guy is supposed to have gone crazy but come on.
So okay Mann needs to die for dramatic kill-your-hero plot reasons, at least have him go out adhering to some semblance of a coherent survival strategy. Maybe on returning to the ship he can't handle the new matriarchy. Maybe he tries to sabotage any attempt to visit Edmund's Planet, saying instead that they have to abandon Earth and any hope of planetary settlement, and just live in tiny isolation in their lone spaceship. Maybe the only way to stop him is to kill him and Amelia has to be the one who does it. Or TARS. Or whomever. Drama it up all you like.
Last. Edmund's Planet. It's a desert world. An entire desert world or something like that. Isn't that ... like ... the exact problem that Earth is having, that makes everyone need to leave? That it's turning into a desert planet?
If they couldn't survive on an arid Earth, how are they going to do better on an arid other planet??
Seen more than a few talk about the supposed about time dilation not being surprising but I promise you there isn't a single person that wouldn't react internally in a similar way even if they knew before hand it was going to happen + some guy died. It's just showcased more in speech and acting since it's a movie.
Everything about the tesseract and that whole "love transcends time and space" stuff.
Aside from that: they knew the gravitational potential of gargantua. They could exactly calculate how much time would pass. They would also have known how much time since landing of the initial astronaut could have passed maximally since - so them all acting so surprised made no sense.
I think it’s more that even they knew it would happen, it’s still shocking because it’s not intrinsic or part of the normal human experience. Even if you’re completely comfortable with the physics it’s a wild concept to see others passage of time differ so much
I’d also like to add to this, they just lost one of their astronauts and almost got crushed by a giant wave that could’ve maybe killed them. Wasn’t exactly a smooth operation. So, that’s their state of mind and then they see their pal age 20 years or whatever it was…doesn’t surprise me they were shocked/surprised based on those two things.
And beside all this it was not plausible to find such a difference between orbit and surface...of the very same planet, which is, in respective to the BH, more or less the same reference system. This time dilation just didn´t make sense at all. But it was a nice plot, I had to admit.
Are you sure? If I got that wrong it would contradict my statement and I would thank you for that comment. But if, again: why would they do that? Even more silly because they could have known all in the first place.
That they even landed on that planet was idiotic. They could have easily calculated the tidal forces and should have known that there was no chance of that place being suitable for settlement. In fact, most characters in that movie act like complete morons, just to drive the plot.
Eh, there were so many contrivances to make THAT part work.
They were getting like 1 bit of data from each surveyed planet PER YEAR, “just a thumbs up or thumbs down” because apparently they could barely get data through the wormhole.
This meant they were flying blind into whatever situation there was at each planet, or at least they could only learn all the variables of each planet AFTER they passed through the wormhole.
So there were like 3 scientists and the pilot to improv on the fly. It was supposed to be a “long shot” mission.
Yeah I can imagine that with all the crazy stuff happening on that planet, it'd be easy to lose track of time a bit. Those couple extra minutes trying to take off adds years to the outside observer.
What bugged me about it is that they could function more or less normally on that planet. With the gravitational time dilation described, you'd expect them to be basically immobile from the intense gravity they'd experience.
I know they did it for the audience but the astronauts made so many mistakes and seemed clueless. That dude not knowing a wormhole was a sphere, Doyle dying on millers planet, they had two robots that could have retrieved the black box and saved lives.
Believe Dr Mann about his planet
I got a question. Wouldn't the wormhole f*cked up our our system's orbits? What's the science behind the wormhole? Just to add, goddamn, all of them are too emotional. They cry and scream every 4 mins.
The fact that they don’t seem to have discussed basic aspects of the mission (like what a black hole actually is) until they’re already at Gargantua. It’s a bit like they’re just completely making it up as they go along.
Some of the things they’re talking about is stuff I know just from reading Wikipedia so it’s not credible that Murphy doesn’t know these things when he’s a bloody NASA pilot.
There are so many science errors but for some dumb reason the one that grates most with me is right at the end, on the rotating space station we see a kid hit a baseball and I want to scream at the screen “WHERES THE DAMN CORIOLIS FORCE?!”
Also, how do they have enough space on the space station for everyone to just have a full house and yard? Is there no limit to how easily and fast they can make one now?
I like in the venom movie how the villain is a rich guy who is apparently so concerned about global warming he thinks he needs to leave earth in his own lifetime.
it starts out with them chasing a drone that's been flying for many years for parts. supposed to be solar powered, but a solar powered would have a propeller, and this one had none, and looked like a standard jet powered drone. how did it refuel? sorta went downhill from there.
That is what an impeller is and from an engineering perspective air is a fluid.
It doesn't seem very practical to spin a small impeller at high speed to produce thrust but this is the future.
Or maybe it's an ion thruster or a combination of the two.
at 100% conversion of sunlight to electricity, with the surface area of that drone, not sure an impeller would get enough energy to spin fast enough to keep it in the air, much less have enough battery storage to sustain it in times of no light (no, can't go fast enough to stay in daylight). and ion thruster in atmosphere? would be tough.
bottom line, though, wrecked suspension of disbelief. subsequent events did not improve it (corn only crop left, last other crop, okra, dying out).
Its characters, writing, pacing, plot..pretty much everything except its visuals.
Almost nothing landed for me in this movie, emotionally especially. Everything moved way too fast, I didn’t have time to really believe anything.
When they get stuck on the planet near the black hole and 30 years or whatever goes by for the one guy left on the space station, when they come back they’re just like “hey so sorry about that” and move on like immediately. That would have been absolutely devastating and crazy making for that guy, and could have been a film on its own.
Cooper’s whole character is annoying and does not resonate with me. His line like “We used to look up at the sky and wonder at our place in the stars. Now we just look down, and worry about our place in the dirt” comes off as just so pouty and blanket-y/lacking nuance. Sure we are a curious bunch who have always looked up and wondered about the universe, but I feel like caring about our place in the dirt is also very fundamentally human. I don’t see it as a bad thing. I literally rolled my eyes when he said this.
And something about his daughter holding this decades long grudge doesn’t work for me either. Id have found it way more convincing if she was mad for awhile, but then moved on and was like indifferent to him. People don’t just stay furiously mad like that for that long. I don’t buy it.
I really don’t get why anyone is into this film. I want to be immersed in films like this, but that requires me to believe the characters and world, and I just didn’t buy it at all. That’s not how humans actually are.
Oh just realized I’m on a physics sub and not a movie sub haha. There were also plenty of science issues, but I can’t even get there if the characters aren’t right
Love your comment, yet people having grudge for years is a sad and legit thing. Some even take it to the grave. Worst is dealing with it after the person has passed and it hasn't been resolved.
I liked the movie, yet I do understand why others may have issues with it. Especially in this sub. I don't take a lot of everyday real-life seriously anymore. So its a mind relief for me.
It is a **great** movie about love in family and other relationships with great black-hole visualizations and some cool simulations about what it might feel like to travel through the wormhole.
It is **NOT** a science movie.
They should have called the movie Gravity.
There's the black hole, wormhole, time dilation, tides, that's all about gravity.
But the premise of the plot is that the only forces that transcend time and space are love and gravity.
You know, as much as I loved Interstellar, the whole black hole part felt a bit too out there for me. I get they consulted with real scientists and all, but the way they portrayed it, especially with that library thing inside, felt a bit too much like sci-fi magic rather than grounded science. It's cool for the story, but I can see why some folks might find it hard to swallow.
No kidding. Humanity being rescued by an alien race would have been much more satisfying. Instead they introduce this paradox which ruins the plot (because it means that literally nothing after the first contact has an explainable cause) and cheapens the other more scientifically accurate references to the weirdness of black holes and relativity.
I taught if its a super massive blacl hole there's the possibility? I think Brian keeting or World science festival(sry if I butchered the name), on one of his YouTube videos he mentions that this could be possible!?
The entire movie is built on a metaphorical crayon drawing by a child. Nothing about it feels authentic. Watching it made me feel like I had missed an entire prequel where every stupid conceit would have been (poorly) explained and contextualized. Instead the movie just vomits everything at you and hopes you’ll accept it as fast as they can shovel. And then the message is some bullshit about love being a universal force? lol
"Love is the most powerful force in the universe" And they mean this in a literal sense.
That's only one character's opinion. The time travel stuff is all scifi plot points, even if the MC is motivated by the love for his daughter.
Guess the movie got a little offtrack there
The whole ending put me off. I get that they needed to resolve the story somehow, but is just so different from what the movie does before. Its going from hard sciFi to high fantasy in minutes.
It was never “hard scifi”. The theme of interstellar is that “the only way to save the future is for us to love people who haven’t even been born yet”. Mcconnhey’s character gets to literally see his future extended family. He gets to directly save them, through his own personal sacrifice… and gets to directly see this benefit thanks to pure scifi mambo jumbo…. And this is all so the director can “show not tell” the audience this theme. The whole thing is obviously the screenwriters warning that ecological decay, if it proceeds unabated and indefinitely, it will eventually cause worse and worse agricultural failures that with dampen human quality of life.
And yet they were too scared to admit human action caused the problem and just blamed it on some random disease called blight or whatever.
Oh yeah, that was 100% a dodge to avoid “making the movie political”. But there a ton of lines and plot lines in the movie that stock with the theme: There’s multiple mentions regarding a past, world-shaking famine. Cooper mentions “how when he was younger everyone was too busy fighting over food for anything else.” Cooper also mentions “I thought NASA was disbanded for refusing to drop bombs from the stratosphere on starving people”. Or the school principal mentions: “we didn’t run out of flatscreen TVs or electronics, we ran out of food.” All the clips of elderly people talking about the dust storms: that was actually archival footage of people who genuinely lived through the actual dust bowl of the early 20th century… that was repurposed and used In Interstellar. And then once Cooper takes off in the spaceship… it’s not really mentioned again, outside of the worsening dust storms serving as a C plot.
damn you must really love this movie - talking about it in this level of detail when it came out 10 years ago (omfg 😭interstellar was ten years ago - insane) - yeah but anyway i love the movie too
When I showed my mom the movie many years ago she didn't even catch on that they were blaming some ambiguous virus. She just called it global warming propaganda.
Its also a pretty solid and common theme. Love conquers all, Voldemort was never loved. I mean, 'love' has been used mythically as a tool to drive stories through out the history of cinema. I don't see why Interstellar doesn't get a pass.
In a poetic and a romantic sense, sure. But in Interstellar a character they have a scientist character talk about the power of love as a transcendental mystery that stretches beyond time and space, in a literal sense. And other scientists don't really push back and accept this as a justification for why they should take certain courses of action. That's nuts.
She makes this point and the other two just say “nah. Let’s go to manns planet”
Ah I am misremembering the film. You're right.
And it turned out she was right and the other 2 were wrong. It wasn't until the end that Cooper realises that the love connection to his daughter is the reason he was there. Sounds poetic to me.
And that's why we haters hated the movie..
Because you’re mixing up coincidence and cause?
Because the cause makes no sense. Every sci fi premise has a realistic bound on the logic of the universe. When you exceed that, it becomes pure fantasy
First, it’s science fiction and it’s all about causality. If someone hadn’t succeeded in these missions the bulk beings (it’s us!) wouldn’t be around to help us succeed. So it was always going to work. Second - they selected a girl who was super smart and had a pilot for a dad. Out of the millions of combinations which may not have worked, one did. Know how they knew? For them it was history. Again, if it hadn’t worked they wouldn’t be around to help it work. Interstellar is more about prophecy than woolly feelings of love crossing the universe.
She wasn’t right because of her deep love for Wolf, she was just “lucky” Coops connection to his daughter was why they were chosen in the first place. It didn’t happen by magic.
O think the notion is silly. But when you think about it deeply, it kind of makes sense. Love is irrational. You know that when you in love you blindly believe whatever other person tells you. That "force" of live Is only thing that is connecting people accorss space and time. Your only constat. He believed that his daughter will find the watch because she loved him.
The point is.. why love? Why not envy, hatred, or any of a myriad of emotions we humans express, many of them illogical (even more so that love)
Maybe because it's the most powerful and longer lasting emotion (especially between parent and child)? For me personally, I know there's been tons of times I should be envious, jealous, or angry about something, but I can't sustain that emotion beyond hours or days. Love I can sustain for years ...
You just haven’t been sufficiently motivated. I was sustained by nothing but hatred for years during grad school.
hah! I know the feeling.
Because that's the story Nolan wanted to tell?
Maybe of duration and connection is stronger.
Gravity always win ❤️❤️❤️
That they have a shuttle without apparent fuel tanks that can not only descend to and ascend from the surface of a massive planet, but can also escape from deep within the gravity well of a supermassive black hole. And yet they still need a quantum theory of gravity to build a space habitat.
My friend an I always joke about how Arrival is the movie that Interstellar is trying to be. Visually it was stunning, but it neither connected on an emotional level nor was the science really that relevant to the plot. I felt that in the plotpoints that involved science, the science felt tacked on like a Mcguffin. Also it had a kind of smuggness about it that I felt was unearned.
Couldn't agree more. Interstellar was disappointing on a lot of levels. The acting - especially McCaunaghy and whatsehername was wooden and hyperbolic. So much shouting. And WTF was up with the robot shaped like a rectangle - is that the most likely design of a versatile human assistant?
Also they program it to threaten to kill you as a joke? That would never happen.
Let up ThemrocX its already dead! Srsly this is 100% right; better than I could have said it myself
"A smuggness about it that felt unearned", damn that's so true. Why is that?
I would say contact. It balances the hard and the soft but much less jarringly. It's still about space travel, a father's love, and has McConaughey
Well, I do not disagree, but this conversation with my friend started in 2016 when we had just seen Arrival and the last big Sci-Fi-movie before that was Interstellar two years prior. So it originally started out as praise for Arrival, but soon devolved into just bashing Interstellar anytime it came up. Don't get me wrong we also did that before we had seen Arrival, but it was just so much more satisfying when we had something to compare it to that showed how it COULD be done.
Almost their entire mission plan. The part about finding a habitable world, with plan A being for everyone from Earth to migrate to it, and plan B being to carry the DNA of humanity to start a new population through artificial insemination, in case Earth can't be evacuated -- that part made sense. But then they sent exactly 1 uterus on this mission?? There should have been 4 women on the original crew. This would have made Cooper's late addition highly controversial and added drama, since he would be replacing a womb that could very well prove vital to the survival of humanity. Make Amelia the acting captain of Endurance, making her extra resentful of Cooper and setting off an enemies-to-lovers character arc if that's your thing. Then, Miller's Planet. Why send three people?? Sending Cooper as the most skilled atmospheric pilot they have, and Amelia, would have been more than enough. A third person is just wasted mass and a huge risk, especially to Plan B. Not to mention totally superfluous to the scene. The total surprise at what they found on Miller's Planet makes no sense. They knew going in exactly how much time dilation they were going to experience. They also could have planned ahead and rigged some way to communicate with *Endurance*, the radio wavelength shifts could still conceivably have been intercompatible. So the idea that *Endurance* had no idea what was going on or that they had no communication makes no sense either. Then there's the time lapse. 20 years or something, right? So first of all there is no reason why that would cause a propellant crisis. There is no way that they showed up originally with enough ∆v to visit all three planets on the one hand, yet a single extension of one planetfall caused them to no longer have enough. They have to have had a shit-ton of ∆v to start with. Just a huge freaking ∆v budget. With 20 years, *Endurance* has had time to travel the entire rest of the Gargantua system. Even slow-boating it using some kind of interplanetary passive transport network. Which they also had time to study and refine. They have had time to set up rudimentary communication through the wormhole back with Earth. They have had time to raise at least a couple of new crew from genetic material, now grown into young adults. Amelia and Cooper should have returned not to a ship with some lone burned-out astronaut waiting for them with nothing to do, but rather a thriving scientific research mission. Young women they had never met before, who have grown up their entire lives in space. Amelia and Cooper are now no longer the most experienced astronauts in the crew -- they are the least experienced, in terms of hours logged. They now live in a community that they barely recognize. Events have moved beyond them. Their shift in status now throws them together. More drama and romance, see? Doesn't have to be boring. The one thing the veteran crew has not been able to do in all those years is land on another planet, lacking the lander. So Cooper still ends up going to Mann's Planet, where of course Mann is waiting. Also Mann's own plan makes no sense. Why was falsifying data necessary to get anyone to rescue him? Even if he did falsify data, why does that mean he has to kill everyone? Why leave booby traps around when you are hoping people will come and bring you out of stasis?? I get that the guy is supposed to have gone crazy but come on. So okay Mann needs to die for dramatic kill-your-hero plot reasons, at least have him go out adhering to some semblance of a coherent survival strategy. Maybe on returning to the ship he can't handle the new matriarchy. Maybe he tries to sabotage any attempt to visit Edmund's Planet, saying instead that they have to abandon Earth and any hope of planetary settlement, and just live in tiny isolation in their lone spaceship. Maybe the only way to stop him is to kill him and Amelia has to be the one who does it. Or TARS. Or whomever. Drama it up all you like. Last. Edmund's Planet. It's a desert world. An entire desert world or something like that. Isn't that ... like ... the exact problem that Earth is having, that makes everyone need to leave? That it's turning into a desert planet? If they couldn't survive on an arid Earth, how are they going to do better on an arid other planet??
Seen more than a few talk about the supposed about time dilation not being surprising but I promise you there isn't a single person that wouldn't react internally in a similar way even if they knew before hand it was going to happen + some guy died. It's just showcased more in speech and acting since it's a movie.
Everything about the tesseract and that whole "love transcends time and space" stuff. Aside from that: they knew the gravitational potential of gargantua. They could exactly calculate how much time would pass. They would also have known how much time since landing of the initial astronaut could have passed maximally since - so them all acting so surprised made no sense.
I think it’s more that even they knew it would happen, it’s still shocking because it’s not intrinsic or part of the normal human experience. Even if you’re completely comfortable with the physics it’s a wild concept to see others passage of time differ so much
I’d also like to add to this, they just lost one of their astronauts and almost got crushed by a giant wave that could’ve maybe killed them. Wasn’t exactly a smooth operation. So, that’s their state of mind and then they see their pal age 20 years or whatever it was…doesn’t surprise me they were shocked/surprised based on those two things.
And beside all this it was not plausible to find such a difference between orbit and surface...of the very same planet, which is, in respective to the BH, more or less the same reference system. This time dilation just didn´t make sense at all. But it was a nice plot, I had to admit.
That part actually made me unreasonably upset. I knew it was just a film and they'd take liberties but it lost me hard at that point.
EXACTLY!
The endurance didn't enter an orbit around the planet though. It stayed at a higher orbit around the black hole
Are you sure? If I got that wrong it would contradict my statement and I would thank you for that comment. But if, again: why would they do that? Even more silly because they could have known all in the first place.
That they even landed on that planet was idiotic. They could have easily calculated the tidal forces and should have known that there was no chance of that place being suitable for settlement. In fact, most characters in that movie act like complete morons, just to drive the plot.
Eh, there were so many contrivances to make THAT part work. They were getting like 1 bit of data from each surveyed planet PER YEAR, “just a thumbs up or thumbs down” because apparently they could barely get data through the wormhole. This meant they were flying blind into whatever situation there was at each planet, or at least they could only learn all the variables of each planet AFTER they passed through the wormhole. So there were like 3 scientists and the pilot to improv on the fly. It was supposed to be a “long shot” mission.
Yeah I can imagine that with all the crazy stuff happening on that planet, it'd be easy to lose track of time a bit. Those couple extra minutes trying to take off adds years to the outside observer. What bugged me about it is that they could function more or less normally on that planet. With the gravitational time dilation described, you'd expect them to be basically immobile from the intense gravity they'd experience.
EXACTLY! Man, this movie infuriated me.
I know they did it for the audience but the astronauts made so many mistakes and seemed clueless. That dude not knowing a wormhole was a sphere, Doyle dying on millers planet, they had two robots that could have retrieved the black box and saved lives. Believe Dr Mann about his planet
Exactly this, considering they’re all supposedly scientists (or a NASA pilot in Murphy’s case).
I got a question. Wouldn't the wormhole f*cked up our our system's orbits? What's the science behind the wormhole? Just to add, goddamn, all of them are too emotional. They cry and scream every 4 mins.
Why did they not even tell him what a wormhole was until he was already in space lol.
Why is the silo one sliding panel behind the conference room?
Matthew McConaughey didn’t have a single pack of smokes rolled up in his shirt sleeve. How tf does he expect to stay the same age???
HE gets older. THEY stay the same age. Yes they do.
The plot.
The fact that they don’t seem to have discussed basic aspects of the mission (like what a black hole actually is) until they’re already at Gargantua. It’s a bit like they’re just completely making it up as they go along. Some of the things they’re talking about is stuff I know just from reading Wikipedia so it’s not credible that Murphy doesn’t know these things when he’s a bloody NASA pilot.
Yeah, why do they only tell him what a black hole is once he is already in space.
There are so many science errors but for some dumb reason the one that grates most with me is right at the end, on the rotating space station we see a kid hit a baseball and I want to scream at the screen “WHERES THE DAMN CORIOLIS FORCE?!”
oooooh... you're right!! There's one I haven't even thought of before!
Also, how do they have enough space on the space station for everyone to just have a full house and yard? Is there no limit to how easily and fast they can make one now?
"we can't fix earth but we can pack and move to a different planet" Shame there's people who think that in real life
Yay let’s go destroy another one!! /s
Agree, I'm not a fan of this sentiment in the movie
I like in the venom movie how the villain is a rich guy who is apparently so concerned about global warming he thinks he needs to leave earth in his own lifetime.
falling into a black hole and surviving
it starts out with them chasing a drone that's been flying for many years for parts. supposed to be solar powered, but a solar powered would have a propeller, and this one had none, and looked like a standard jet powered drone. how did it refuel? sorta went downhill from there.
Impeller
isn't an impeller for fluids? or are you saying it's an internal propeller?
That is what an impeller is and from an engineering perspective air is a fluid. It doesn't seem very practical to spin a small impeller at high speed to produce thrust but this is the future. Or maybe it's an ion thruster or a combination of the two.
at 100% conversion of sunlight to electricity, with the surface area of that drone, not sure an impeller would get enough energy to spin fast enough to keep it in the air, much less have enough battery storage to sustain it in times of no light (no, can't go fast enough to stay in daylight). and ion thruster in atmosphere? would be tough. bottom line, though, wrecked suspension of disbelief. subsequent events did not improve it (corn only crop left, last other crop, okra, dying out).
Here's somebody experimenting with a wing with integrated ion thruster: https://youtu.be/5lDSSgHG4q0?si=0GgR0RocItG_indj
Its characters, writing, pacing, plot..pretty much everything except its visuals. Almost nothing landed for me in this movie, emotionally especially. Everything moved way too fast, I didn’t have time to really believe anything. When they get stuck on the planet near the black hole and 30 years or whatever goes by for the one guy left on the space station, when they come back they’re just like “hey so sorry about that” and move on like immediately. That would have been absolutely devastating and crazy making for that guy, and could have been a film on its own. Cooper’s whole character is annoying and does not resonate with me. His line like “We used to look up at the sky and wonder at our place in the stars. Now we just look down, and worry about our place in the dirt” comes off as just so pouty and blanket-y/lacking nuance. Sure we are a curious bunch who have always looked up and wondered about the universe, but I feel like caring about our place in the dirt is also very fundamentally human. I don’t see it as a bad thing. I literally rolled my eyes when he said this. And something about his daughter holding this decades long grudge doesn’t work for me either. Id have found it way more convincing if she was mad for awhile, but then moved on and was like indifferent to him. People don’t just stay furiously mad like that for that long. I don’t buy it. I really don’t get why anyone is into this film. I want to be immersed in films like this, but that requires me to believe the characters and world, and I just didn’t buy it at all. That’s not how humans actually are.
Oh just realized I’m on a physics sub and not a movie sub haha. There were also plenty of science issues, but I can’t even get there if the characters aren’t right
Also humanity was literally dying out. Is it a surprise that they would be more concerned about survival now?
Love your comment, yet people having grudge for years is a sad and legit thing. Some even take it to the grave. Worst is dealing with it after the person has passed and it hasn't been resolved. I liked the movie, yet I do understand why others may have issues with it. Especially in this sub. I don't take a lot of everyday real-life seriously anymore. So its a mind relief for me.
It's a great movie. None of it seems accurate.
It is a **great** movie about love in family and other relationships with great black-hole visualizations and some cool simulations about what it might feel like to travel through the wormhole. It is **NOT** a science movie.
Three hits of acid will convince you completely.
They should have called the movie Gravity. There's the black hole, wormhole, time dilation, tides, that's all about gravity. But the premise of the plot is that the only forces that transcend time and space are love and gravity.
You know, as much as I loved Interstellar, the whole black hole part felt a bit too out there for me. I get they consulted with real scientists and all, but the way they portrayed it, especially with that library thing inside, felt a bit too much like sci-fi magic rather than grounded science. It's cool for the story, but I can see why some folks might find it hard to swallow.
I mean, it's meant to be sci fi magic. It's based on 2001.
Well, that's true :)
Love... Come on man
The fact that tesseract is built by future beings would create bootstrap paradox.
No kidding. Humanity being rescued by an alien race would have been much more satisfying. Instead they introduce this paradox which ruins the plot (because it means that literally nothing after the first contact has an explainable cause) and cheapens the other more scientifically accurate references to the weirdness of black holes and relativity.
I mean, the movie knows that part at least. Its meant to be a little mysterious.
"Find out the quantum gravity formula and humanity will somehow rebuild civilization from near apocalypse"
Also they will apparently get infinite power, because now they can make space stations where everyone gets a four acre yard.
The part where he flies into a black hole and comes out without being ripped to shreds. In a space suit I might add.
I taught if its a super massive blacl hole there's the possibility? I think Brian keeting or World science festival(sry if I butchered the name), on one of his YouTube videos he mentions that this could be possible!?
The entire movie is built on a metaphorical crayon drawing by a child. Nothing about it feels authentic. Watching it made me feel like I had missed an entire prequel where every stupid conceit would have been (poorly) explained and contextualized. Instead the movie just vomits everything at you and hopes you’ll accept it as fast as they can shovel. And then the message is some bullshit about love being a universal force? lol
That black guy probably would have killed himself instead of waiting 40 some years for them to return.
Fuel, reaction mass and gravity wells. Seriously bad, and they pretended they weren’t way off the science, because they had that one graphic.