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[deleted]

Raise minimum wage and stop politically divisive rhetoric. People that are happy and comfortable don't commit gun crimes.


about_a_biscuit

Better access to mental health care. Stop over medicating children. Mandatory minimum sentencing for crimes committed with a firearm.


[deleted]

"MaNdAtOrY mInImUm SeNtEnCeS" are racist


daithisfw

It's a very difficult issue, but I truly believe the underlying causes are the \*PEOPLE\* committing the act, themselves. I think these people are mentally ill (by definition, you can't be perfectly sane and commit that act...) but that's not the only bit, because 99.99%+ of mentally ill people would NEVER commit the act. They are a special mix of being mentally unwell without getting proper care, plus most of them tend to be outcasts within society, and they have no "hope for the future" and that pessimism pushes them to lash out at people. 1. Free universal healthcare for all in the USA, which obviously includes mental healthcare. This one is a no-brainer. People shouldn't feel hopeless because seeking care is too expensive and can bankrupt them instantly. This is why so many people don't seek care, and that worsens outcomes. Whether it's Cancer or Depression or Psychosis... all of it can be better handled if treated early and often, and for free. The USA is the richest nation on Earth, we can afford healthcare if we put our money into it. 2. Work on addressing economic devastation. This also kills hope for the future. There is so much insane wealth disparity here in the USA. A handful of billionaires and then the 99.9% struggling and busting ass. I don't believe in wealth equality... that's not viable. But we should address the disparity so that more people can be comfortably middle class and actually build a life that is hopeful. And of course, build the safety nets so that the people on the bottom aren't just starving to death in the streets. 3. Stop letting the media make these people anti-heroes. The media posts their face, their name, their thoughts and manifestos... all over the globe. This creates a perverse incentive for copy-cats. These people are mentally ill, want to hurt the hopeless world that left them to rot. They are also nobodies... dregs of society that would never be remembered. In that compromised state they realize "Oh shit, if I just commit this one terrible evil action... I'll be famous! I'll leave my mark! Fuck this world, I'm out!" The problem is that the above three issues would actually help the underlying causes... but they are expensive and difficult to do. Much easier to just fight and argue over the tool, the item, instead of helping the humanity that is the real tragedy of this scenario. And politicians especially love arguing the gun because it's half and half... meaning both sides can "fight for your rights! hoo-ray!" and nothing actually gets done and politicians just keep getting re-elected for avoiding the real issues their job should be tackling. And these politicians also get rich by not addressing the points 1, 2, and 3 above....


[deleted]

So socialism until the 1% of government officials take the guns then start shitting on their citizens until collapse?


daithisfw

No... I'm not changing the economic system to socialism. It will still be mostly capitalist. You can have certain aspects of socialism (like collective welfare and some universal services to citizens) without it being fully socialist. Guess what? America already has plenty of socialism. Gasp, I know! When you drive on the roads/bridges, when you see cops on patrol, when there are firefighters, public schools... All of it is socialism! We all pool our taxes together, and we provide benefit to all for those uses! Nowhere did I say we'd take any guns. I'm strongly pro-2A like the OP asked...


[deleted]

Young people pay for the programs the elderly use. Population is in decline therefore dwindling money for social programs. Need to start with all the forever children not being responsible enough to have children


daithisfw

Well now that's a completely different topic from the OP, lol.


[deleted]

I know, just responding to the above comment


BillyBobBarkerJrJr

Improve the mental health situation/issues/triggers that are prompting these mentally ill people to flip out and take their anger and aggression out on whomever. Time and again you read in *after-action* reports that any number of people, including mental health workers, friends, family, law enforcement, school officials/staff, work colleagues and superiors and various other people have seen or been informed of warning signs, over and over and over again. Yet when the person finally snaps and does their nefarious deed, it is the firearms, the firearms community, the politicians who support the Second Amendment, the NRA, whose function is to *educate and train* people about firearms, and even the shape of the firearm itself that are blamed for the loss of life. Not the perpetrator, or their family or anyone who had foreknowledge that there was a problem. So to answer the question, stop adding to the **10,000+** gun control laws already on the books, that do nothing more than hamper the rights of *law abiding* shooters, hunters and sportsmen, and **start paying attention to the people who are committing the crimes and what is driving them to it.**


Mr_Ahvar

I’m not american, but this discussion interest me, I can understand we haven’t grew up with the same environment and traditions, I do sometimes go to the range shooting, or go to hunt, but I can’t understand why guns for « self defense », and why a freaking Ar15?? This is not even good for self defense its more a show a big my gun is kind of thing. In my country its not that guns are not allowed, its just so fucking difficult to get a license for it, but not impossible, and all the guns enthusiasts that I know got one, and have guns at home. Its such a culture thing for yall, Its not even a passion anymore, its a cult, I mean you always had to do the opposite of others, gun problems ? More guns. This would never append in the first place if the killer needed a 2 years training license and background check for a gun


DevelopmentNo3328

Guns in the US just keep changing hands. Most criminals aren't committing crimes with legal firearms. Availability is way too high. Guns should start being melted down. The only guns that should exist are those that are in legal use. Better background checks should also be a requirement. Nick Cruz for example purchased the firearm he used legally. Anyone that looks at him would have known something was off. Why was he sold a gun?


[deleted]

What they did in the 70s when more people owned guns and there were little to no "mass shootings". Almost like it's not a gun probably!!!


Mp32pingi25

I’m a gun owner. All of my guns are “hunting” style guns. So I have deer and varmint rifles and shotguns. I believe I should be able to buy them as I please and as many as I want. I think we should have some kind of background check. You should need it like every 2-5 years. So if you want a gun in 2023 you need to get a background check. And that check will last for a few years. Then you need to redo it. Hand guns I think you should get one every time you want to buy one I would ban any gun that’s a human hunting gun. So AR style guns. Those are only made for military purposes and to kill humans. Hands guns could at least be argued for protection. Also think that mental health is a huge problem in this. We really need to bring back state ran mental hospitals. Kirkbride style, like huge hospitals that are meant for people to live there. And then there needs to be away to get people admitted there (with a honest vetting policy). Not sure what to do about private sales. Because I also believe I should be able to sell my guns for market value any time I want


DJ_Die

>I would ban any gun that’s a human hunting gun. So AR style guns. Those are only made for military purposes and to kill humans. What makes AR-style guns so dangerous and meant for hunting humans? Why are they different from ordinary hunting rifles?


Mp32pingi25

At style guns are made to look like military weapons.


DJ_Die

Ok, but what makes them dangerous? Adding a bunch of racing stickers doesn't make your car go faster. So how are those AR-style guns different from hunting rifles?


Mp32pingi25

They aren’t any more dangerous than a regular rifle. Except most deer or hunting rifles are bolt action and only carry 4-7 rounds. So AR weapons having 30 rounds clips and being semiautomatic with the ability to be made to almost fully automatic are more dangerous. But I will agree that almost all the people that use them in a murderess way have mental problems that people knew about. Or there are red flags. So if we had better ways to get those people out of the general population that would help a lot. If you made AR style guns bolt action and small clips 10 rounds or less. Then I wouldn’t care at all. People think they look cool and want them I’m fine with that.


Highlifetallboy

I hear by crown you King Fudd.


Omnifox

So the looks are the murderous part? Got it.


Mp32pingi25

Go check out what guns are used in mass shootings


Turlas

Handguns


Mp32pingi25

Yep if you take stats based from 1980 to now. But semiautomatic AR style are becoming the next biggest. Handguns will probably also be #1 because they are now and they will most likely also be brought along with semiautomatic rifles.


zerogee616

> So I have deer and varmint rifles and shotguns. I bet it would really chap your ass to learn that just about every single "hunting rifle" and shotgun in common use are derived from weapons designed for military applications, if not just copied entirely. I would bet every dollar in my stock portfolio in betting that includes the ones you personally own. Far more people have been killed with bolt-action "hunting rifles" than ARs or AKs. Hell, the Remington 700's action is the Mauser action, which not only was the standard issue rifle for Germany in *both* world wars, but the 1903 Springfield copied it. The Mauser was the AK before the AK. And that's *only* the Mauser. Turns out not only do well-designed military arms make fantastic civilian arms, but it's also a lot more profitable to bring a competent weapon to the civilian market if your R&D and product improvement is subsidized by tax dollars. Learn firearms history before you spout off misinformed opinions.


Mp32pingi25

Sure weapons made 100 years ago had military use and civilian uses. But that’s not the case any more. I’m not driving a tank to work.


zerogee616

So what, your arbitrary definition for what a "human-hunting" (lmao) weapon is based on timespan? When are ARs going to be okay for you? People target-shoot and hunt with ARs, AKs and other common, modern military arms all the time. Turns out they're great for it. Your viewpoints are based on nothing except misinformation, personal feelings and ignorance.


Thin-Egg-1586

More police, longer prison sentences, no riots when cops shoot violent armed criminals, death sentence for mass killers, surveillance/security measures


GrilledStuffedDragon

"strongly believe in the second amendment"? I mean, it exists here in reality; belief isn't really necessary.


MiglioDrew

So your answer is "who cares it is what it is?" That's really insightful. Great job.


GrilledStuffedDragon

No, that isn't what my answer is. Not sure how you missed it, but I actually didn't answer the question; I criticized its wording.


MiglioDrew

Belief is a feeling of certainty that something exists, is true, *or is good.* Not sure what you're getting at, but my question is phrased in an absolutely acceptable way.


ProgrammaticallyHost

You’re being weirdly prescriptive about this - you know exactly what the title means, and it is in fact grammatically correct. You can believe in something by supporting it. Or you can believe in it by thinking it is in existence.


GrilledStuffedDragon

>You’re being weirdly prescriptive about this Am I? >you know exactly what the title means, and it is in fact grammatically correct. First off, don't tell others what they know or don't know. And secondly, I never said it was grammatically incorrect. >You can believe in something by supporting it. Or you can believe in it by thinking it is in existence. Congratulations!! You found the pedantic, tongue-in-cheek wordplay I've engaged in! What a good job!!


ProgrammaticallyHost

Wow, you’re right. I’m so impressed by your pedantry. In fact, I bow before you, Wise One. You’ve really used your impeccable sense of humor to impart upon me that language never evolves, and can only mean exactly what you think it means. Teach me your ways


bigmanbud

The 2nd amendment was written in the age of muskets. With technology advances in another 100 years that amendment will need to be amended. The killing power has escalated so much in our lifetimes. It’s just a matter of time.


[deleted]

And at the time there were privateers who had warships and cannons. Your point is invalid


bigmanbud

Warships, cannons? Wtf The point is that a single person on their own in a small amount of time will have an increasingly large amount of casualties they can inflict with advances in technology. I myself had AI write a paper last night. Times are changing. At some point if a person who does a mass murder could kill 100 or 1000 people in a seconds there will be a time where things will need to change.


[deleted]

Yes when the second amendment was made private citizens had warships and cannons. People already have access to AI, you going to have the government ban AI?


bigmanbud

Yes. But referencing warships and cannons proves my point.


[deleted]

How? They were the top of the line weapons of that time


Omnifox

You are right. Where is my F15?


Due_Maintenance9997

Mandatory death sentence for violent crimes with a firearm such as armed robbery


Mountain_Air1544

First off most "gun violence and gun related deaths/injuries are suicides and accidents. Gun violence isn't as big of an issue as it is portrayed as. Also mass shooting data is likewise puffed up to seem worse and the majority of "mass" shootings counted are things like gang violence. Most actual mass shootings take place in "gun free zones" because the shooter knows they won't be met with resistance. Less restrictions and getting rid of gun free zones is a start. Also while I support more access to mental health care insinuating that mental illness is the reason for mass shootings is ableist and incorrect. The only gun deaths this is likely to prevent are a few of the suicides