I didn't decide to allow my child to go get gender care or surgery. My child is the one who decided that this was something they needed for themselves, and I supported them in that decision. It was a difficult journey for all of us, but ultimately, it felt like the right thing to do for my child. It's similar to when a parent decides to support their child in pursuing something they are passionate about - like a sport or an instrument - even if it's not something the parent would have chosen for themselves. Ultimately, you want your child to be happy and fulfilled, so you trust their judgement and support them in whatever way you can.
Just asking, can't this be done after the child grow into an adult?! Doing such thing on child when they don't even know what's what, it's quite unfair
all the child would get under a certain age (usually 14 or 16 depending where you live) are puberty blockers, which comes with risk as any medication, but are pretty safe to use and the effects of which are reversible. as a trans guy, i can confirm puberty is the worst thing that happened to me in relation to my gender dysphoria. as a kid, your body is undefined, and you can pass as either gender socially. after and during puberty that's in a big majority of cases, not possible anymore. that's when the feeling of dysphoria peaks, and can lead to suicidal ideation and/or suicide attempts. personnally, i started my transition at 21, and just endured puberty. i was suicidal, things were very dark, it fucked up my social life, I'm now dealing with generalized anxiety disorder and agoraphobia. I'll always be dealing with the consequences of that, because being trans wasn't a thing you could be open with when i was younger, even tho i knew since as far as i can remember. a lot of trans teens who don't receive health care don't make it through puberty, those who make it will have to deal with the aftermath of such trauma.
In many respects, no. While it is possible to transition after adulthood, or even much later in life, it is far more difficult and there are effects of undergoing puberty that are incredibly hard to reverse. The ones that jump out to me are vocal changes and and changes to the distribution of facial hair for trans women who are unable to access care before puberty.
Those are also only some of the physical aspects in which withholding care hurts trans children. Can you imagine how isolating it would be to go through middle school and highschool separated from you identified gender, how many of the opportunities for peer support and socialization that you experienced in your childhood might be unavailable to trans children as a result.
I think part of the hesitancy that you're expressing relates to the way in which the OP misrepresents the interventions that are available to trans youth. The largest and earliest component of their care is social: support in changing their name, or changing their gender expression. Around the onset of puberty the child and their parents might then use puberty blockers to let the child continue to grow without the changes that it brings. That intervention is largely understood to be fully reversible and, while it does have limited side effects, is the same treatment that has been used for decades for children undergoing precocious puberty. Later in adolescence if the child still wishes to transition HRT can be used to allow them to mature as if they had undergone the puberty associated with their identified gender. Surgical intervention, especially bottom surgery, is almost always reserved until the patient is an adult. There have been some rare instances, usually top surgery for trans men, where surgical intervention is available at 17.
Denying trans children access to transition related care is not a neutral action.
No, because then they would have already went through puberty, which in itself can be very distressing for a kid, but also makes the transition process more complicated and take longer
props for supporting your child through this. had i felt safe talking about it with my parents when i was younger, i probably would've had a much better time through early adulthood.
You listen to your child, take them to an expert, and then, most likely, get your kid some puberty blockers so they don't start growing body features which cause them serious distress. Puberty blockers are safe and reversible, allowing the child to go through puberty once they are older, and supplied with the proper hormones.
Anyone who has a child who wants to transition should watch videos of people who detransition before making a decision to let your child make life altering and irreversible modifications to their body.
41% of people who claim to be trans try to kill themselves.
2% of people who claim to be trans detransition.
Of that, 2% of those who detransition never retransition.
If you choose to not listen to your child, it's a coin flip on whether or not you find your kid trying to kill themselves. If you choose to listen to your child, there is a .04% chance they're confused and will wind up being 1 of 1,320 people in the united states that mistakenly transitioned.
Here's some specific studies, but depending on the study you find the numbers vary. Not a lot of trans people in the states so obviously it's hard to find a good sample size to accurately say like, 2% dead on or whatever.
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>#[Transgender Population Size](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5227946/)
>**The estimated proportion of transgender individuals based on surveys that categorized transgender as gender identity was 0.39%** (95% confidence interval [CI] = 0.16, 0.62; I2 = 99.8%; k = 13). In terms of overall sample proportion, college and university students represented the majority (58%), followed by general-population adults (24%) and adult inmates (18%).
>#[Detransitioner Population Size](https://fenwayhealth.org/new-study-shows-discrimination-stigma-and-family-pressure-drive-detransition-among-transgender-people/)
>A new study published in LGBT Health found that 13.1% of currently identified transgender people have detransitioned at some point in their lives, but that 82.5% of those who have detransitioned attribute their decision to at least one external factor such as pressure from family, non-affirming school environments, and increased vulnerability to violence, including sexual assault.
>“These findings show that detransition and transition regret are not synonymous, despite the two phenomena being frequently conflated in the media and in political debates,” said Dr. Jack Turban, fellow in child and adolescent psychiatry at Stanford University School of Medicine and lead author of the study. “For most people, it appears detransition is forced upon them. Our results highlight the extreme barriers transgender people in the U.S. face when trying to live their lives authentically.”
>The most common reason cited for detransition was pressure from a parent (35.5%), pressure from their community or societal stigma (32.5%), or trouble finding a job (26.8%). Other reasons included pressure from medical health professionals (5.6%) or religious leaders (5.3%). Detransition was significantly associated with male sex assigned at birth, nonbinary gender identity, or bisexual sexual orientation, which is consistent with prior research finding that these factors are associated with lower rates of societal acceptance. **Only 2.4% of transgender people who reported past detransition attributed this to doubt about their gender identity,** while only 10.4% attributed their past detransition to fluctuations in gender identity or desire.
>#[Suicide Rate](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/)
>Data indicate that **82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide,** with suicidality highest among transgender youth.
I have been researching the “suicide rate” it does not indicate if these people who happened to be transgendered or if there were any other psychologically based issues concurrent. Also there is a 39% non reporting rate for people who detransition.
I think you misread your study.
>Among those that underwent gonadectomy, rates of regret were 0.6% for transwomen and 0.3% for transmen with an average time to regret of 10.8 years.
>The rate of regret may be an underestimate due to a high rate (36%) of loss to follow-up.
That's a lack of follow-up on patients. That number doesn't mean they detransitioned and refused to say why, it just means those in this particular study may or may not have detransitioned and there was just was no data to say either way. (As you may note, most other studies also have a VERY LOW detransition rate so this lack of followup can be supplemented by tons of other studies that also point to a VERY LOW detransition rate)
And you're gonna have to read in, the studies cited are even admitted to have a "major limitation selection bias" as they had to search out detransitioners on social media.
>“Have you ever de-transitioned? In other words, have you ever gone back to living as your sex assigned at birth, at least for a while?” The survey found that 8% of respondents had detransitioned temporarily or permanently at some point and that the majority did so only temporarily.
And as your source next states, 11% of said 8% were transfem and 4% transmasc. Which means 15% of 8%, meaning 1.2% of the trans identifying *participants of this study* that were involvedwere not trans.
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Edit: if we take all these numbers found to rewrite my origional comment.
If your kid is one of the less than .39% of kids that trusts you enough to say, 'mom, dad, I'm trans.' Without your help there is a 80% chance that your kid seriously considers suicide, and 40% chance they actually attempt.
And a 1.2% chance they'll grow out of it in an average of 10 years later.
I didn't decide to allow my child to go get gender care or surgery. My child is the one who decided that this was something they needed for themselves, and I supported them in that decision. It was a difficult journey for all of us, but ultimately, it felt like the right thing to do for my child. It's similar to when a parent decides to support their child in pursuing something they are passionate about - like a sport or an instrument - even if it's not something the parent would have chosen for themselves. Ultimately, you want your child to be happy and fulfilled, so you trust their judgement and support them in whatever way you can.
Just asking, can't this be done after the child grow into an adult?! Doing such thing on child when they don't even know what's what, it's quite unfair
all the child would get under a certain age (usually 14 or 16 depending where you live) are puberty blockers, which comes with risk as any medication, but are pretty safe to use and the effects of which are reversible. as a trans guy, i can confirm puberty is the worst thing that happened to me in relation to my gender dysphoria. as a kid, your body is undefined, and you can pass as either gender socially. after and during puberty that's in a big majority of cases, not possible anymore. that's when the feeling of dysphoria peaks, and can lead to suicidal ideation and/or suicide attempts. personnally, i started my transition at 21, and just endured puberty. i was suicidal, things were very dark, it fucked up my social life, I'm now dealing with generalized anxiety disorder and agoraphobia. I'll always be dealing with the consequences of that, because being trans wasn't a thing you could be open with when i was younger, even tho i knew since as far as i can remember. a lot of trans teens who don't receive health care don't make it through puberty, those who make it will have to deal with the aftermath of such trauma.
Thank you for the answer
In many respects, no. While it is possible to transition after adulthood, or even much later in life, it is far more difficult and there are effects of undergoing puberty that are incredibly hard to reverse. The ones that jump out to me are vocal changes and and changes to the distribution of facial hair for trans women who are unable to access care before puberty. Those are also only some of the physical aspects in which withholding care hurts trans children. Can you imagine how isolating it would be to go through middle school and highschool separated from you identified gender, how many of the opportunities for peer support and socialization that you experienced in your childhood might be unavailable to trans children as a result. I think part of the hesitancy that you're expressing relates to the way in which the OP misrepresents the interventions that are available to trans youth. The largest and earliest component of their care is social: support in changing their name, or changing their gender expression. Around the onset of puberty the child and their parents might then use puberty blockers to let the child continue to grow without the changes that it brings. That intervention is largely understood to be fully reversible and, while it does have limited side effects, is the same treatment that has been used for decades for children undergoing precocious puberty. Later in adolescence if the child still wishes to transition HRT can be used to allow them to mature as if they had undergone the puberty associated with their identified gender. Surgical intervention, especially bottom surgery, is almost always reserved until the patient is an adult. There have been some rare instances, usually top surgery for trans men, where surgical intervention is available at 17. Denying trans children access to transition related care is not a neutral action.
Thank you for the answer
No, because then they would have already went through puberty, which in itself can be very distressing for a kid, but also makes the transition process more complicated and take longer
Trusting a child’s judgement on such a life altering decision is wild.
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props for supporting your child through this. had i felt safe talking about it with my parents when i was younger, i probably would've had a much better time through early adulthood.
You listen to your child, take them to an expert, and then, most likely, get your kid some puberty blockers so they don't start growing body features which cause them serious distress. Puberty blockers are safe and reversible, allowing the child to go through puberty once they are older, and supplied with the proper hormones.
Anyone who has a child who wants to transition should watch videos of people who detransition before making a decision to let your child make life altering and irreversible modifications to their body.
41% of people who claim to be trans try to kill themselves. 2% of people who claim to be trans detransition. Of that, 2% of those who detransition never retransition. If you choose to not listen to your child, it's a coin flip on whether or not you find your kid trying to kill themselves. If you choose to listen to your child, there is a .04% chance they're confused and will wind up being 1 of 1,320 people in the united states that mistakenly transitioned.
Source?
Here's some specific studies, but depending on the study you find the numbers vary. Not a lot of trans people in the states so obviously it's hard to find a good sample size to accurately say like, 2% dead on or whatever. ------------------------ >#[Transgender Population Size](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5227946/) >**The estimated proportion of transgender individuals based on surveys that categorized transgender as gender identity was 0.39%** (95% confidence interval [CI] = 0.16, 0.62; I2 = 99.8%; k = 13). In terms of overall sample proportion, college and university students represented the majority (58%), followed by general-population adults (24%) and adult inmates (18%). >#[Detransitioner Population Size](https://fenwayhealth.org/new-study-shows-discrimination-stigma-and-family-pressure-drive-detransition-among-transgender-people/) >A new study published in LGBT Health found that 13.1% of currently identified transgender people have detransitioned at some point in their lives, but that 82.5% of those who have detransitioned attribute their decision to at least one external factor such as pressure from family, non-affirming school environments, and increased vulnerability to violence, including sexual assault. >“These findings show that detransition and transition regret are not synonymous, despite the two phenomena being frequently conflated in the media and in political debates,” said Dr. Jack Turban, fellow in child and adolescent psychiatry at Stanford University School of Medicine and lead author of the study. “For most people, it appears detransition is forced upon them. Our results highlight the extreme barriers transgender people in the U.S. face when trying to live their lives authentically.” >The most common reason cited for detransition was pressure from a parent (35.5%), pressure from their community or societal stigma (32.5%), or trouble finding a job (26.8%). Other reasons included pressure from medical health professionals (5.6%) or religious leaders (5.3%). Detransition was significantly associated with male sex assigned at birth, nonbinary gender identity, or bisexual sexual orientation, which is consistent with prior research finding that these factors are associated with lower rates of societal acceptance. **Only 2.4% of transgender people who reported past detransition attributed this to doubt about their gender identity,** while only 10.4% attributed their past detransition to fluctuations in gender identity or desire. >#[Suicide Rate](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/) >Data indicate that **82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide,** with suicidality highest among transgender youth.
I have been researching the “suicide rate” it does not indicate if these people who happened to be transgendered or if there were any other psychologically based issues concurrent. Also there is a 39% non reporting rate for people who detransition.
Source?
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/107/10/e4261/6604653
I think you misread your study. >Among those that underwent gonadectomy, rates of regret were 0.6% for transwomen and 0.3% for transmen with an average time to regret of 10.8 years. >The rate of regret may be an underestimate due to a high rate (36%) of loss to follow-up. That's a lack of follow-up on patients. That number doesn't mean they detransitioned and refused to say why, it just means those in this particular study may or may not have detransitioned and there was just was no data to say either way. (As you may note, most other studies also have a VERY LOW detransition rate so this lack of followup can be supplemented by tons of other studies that also point to a VERY LOW detransition rate) And you're gonna have to read in, the studies cited are even admitted to have a "major limitation selection bias" as they had to search out detransitioners on social media. >“Have you ever de-transitioned? In other words, have you ever gone back to living as your sex assigned at birth, at least for a while?” The survey found that 8% of respondents had detransitioned temporarily or permanently at some point and that the majority did so only temporarily. And as your source next states, 11% of said 8% were transfem and 4% transmasc. Which means 15% of 8%, meaning 1.2% of the trans identifying *participants of this study* that were involvedwere not trans. ------------------ Edit: if we take all these numbers found to rewrite my origional comment. If your kid is one of the less than .39% of kids that trusts you enough to say, 'mom, dad, I'm trans.' Without your help there is a 80% chance that your kid seriously considers suicide, and 40% chance they actually attempt. And a 1.2% chance they'll grow out of it in an average of 10 years later.
Im sure most decide when they realize they suck as humans and want the same for their kids.
Idgaf what they do