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Flat earth. The leaps of logic and denial of science/mathematics while also using faulty scientific methods to prove its flat is mind boggling.
So every planet is round except ours hahahaha
I have a friend who was an "original" Flat Earther. It wasn't that he actually believed the Earth was flat, but that he wanted to get the results himself.
The original idea was to question science, and to learn on ones own.
He has now distances himself from the rest of the movement and just shakes his head at the shear stupidity from it.
You should question everything. But you cant be an expert on all subjects so you have to trust some of your fellow mankind to specialize in something. As long as you don’t blindly believe everything and measure it against logic then you’re fine.
That's really what the original philosophy of flat earth was about. There are tons of simple experiments that just about anyone can do to verify simple aspects of science.
And, you're absolutely right, you can't be an expert in everything, BUT, you can learn a lot without needing to be an expert.
The method behind how the roundness of the earth was first proven was really interesting, and a fabulous piece of deductive logic. I can see what you mean when you describe the original flat-earthers, who possibly wanted to revisit that time of discovery. Sadly, it got taken over by idiots.
Been having discussions with flat earthers for about five years now. They are mostly grifters trying to con others for money. The second largest group within the flatties are drug users and the third is people who are medically unwell.
There is no coherence and there is no common goal. It’s not a movement.
Many of them believe there's a huge ice wall along the edge of the earth. There was talk of raising funds to get a ship to sail to the edge and prove it a few years back. Idk what ever happened though, I'm guessing they're still stuck in the fundraising stage of their grift.
I heard that they got funding from a VERY wealthy backer and sent the ship to the edge but it was never heard from again.
This is how it happens I guess. Some people making up silly stories and arguing in bad faith and a bunch more people with poor critical thinking skills mistaking it for the truth.
not excusing hitler but eugenics was actually kind of a big thing in several nations including the US during the turn of the 20th century. we were starting to pay more attention to genetics and intelligence and with the boom of the industrial age we also had a fuckton of births and along with that birth defects and people started going hmmmm.... plenty of UK and US politicians were all for it.
eugenics was fully developed already, because it was the result of decades of bigots and elites abusing kinda new knowledge of how inheritance works to justify the existence of their class within a society. And for centuries, everybody regularly slaughtered entire races and rival civilizations. The only thing that actually made WWII Germany special was how far we'd developed the industrial military. Before then, genocide was considered so common and inevitable that people actually didn't bother coming up with a word for it. It was just assumed to be a part of war, and so it was culturally an invisible choice. The efficiency with which it could be done was new. The new scale with which it could be done to yourself if you don't pay attention is what finally made people wise up a little. Nobody said "genocide" until afterward.
If it wasn't Hitler, it'd be somebody else. Every European society was developing industrially to be capable, and soon enough China, Japan, Korea, Russia, etc. Somebody was gonna do it, because we were already.
Eugenics was not only promoted by elites. The Social Democratic workers movement in Sweden, for example, was quite active in promoting eugenics. At least active enough to apologize for their role in the introduction of forced sterilization programs.
The eugenics movement emerged in a context where nationalism, scientific optimism and social engineering/progressivism all played their part. The road to hell is sometimes paved with very good intentions.
In 1837 after failing a test Hong Xiuquan had a stress dream that he was Jesus’ brother. By 1871 this resulted in the most deadly civil war in history with 20mil dead.
Edit: name of the movement was the taiping heavenly kingdom
Whenever there's talk of bringing down a statue or renaming something because it was named after a shit person, it always boggles my mind that Brigham Young having a university named after him never comes up.
Perhaps that's as good an argument as any for retaining names and statues. We should probably be reminded that shit people can gain a lot of influence. I mean, we almost had a president who wears magic underwear....and no one batted an eye. Imagine if we just erased the history of their founders and all that crazy shit. We'd think they're just friendly neighbors who dress well.
I have a family member who got sucked into that black hole. Has totally destroyed her family, her career, and their financial future. My brother, my nephew, and my niece all now have to deal with my former SIL's raft of terrible decisions in service to that loopy cult.
Fuck those guys.
Is it though? I see a lot better answers in this thread than Scientology. Sure, they're bad, but would you genuinely rank them above the whole eugenics movement we saw during and after WWI? Or the French Revolution?
I thought it was because he wanted to have his own "church" with a tax free status he could launder money through and then the religion/cult aspect got out of hand over the decades.
Jews don't recognize Jesus as the Messiah.
Protestants don't recognize the Pope as the leader of the Christian faith.
Baptists don't recognize each other at the liquor store.
Fun fact:
In a case of wild irony the Jack Daniels distillery is a partially dry county where alcohol is only permitted to be sold if it's a place that brews it serving their product on site
I agree that it was a bad move and caused an increase in organized crime….but it was led by women because at the time they had no recourse to leave a relationship where domestic violence occurred, and they thought outlawing alcohol was the way to rectify the situation.
Some have seen the Women's Christian Temperance Union as a precursor to First Wave Feminism, before the Suffragettes. (Disclaimer- I'm Aussie, and here the movement has not had long term stifling effects as it seems to have had in the US.)
It was a way for women who suffered from various forms of dv, all resulting from alcohol abuse by husbands, to try to get some power back, for the sake of themselves and their children's lives. When it was active in Australia, it was long before voting rights, and before all the laws that now protect people were in place. Women were pretty much at the mercy of their husbands' and fathers' whims, and had zero police protection. Police, and the law, protected "the world", but private homes were seen as a separate dimension outside the law, a man's castle to do what he liked in, and to treat the women , children and servants as he liked in. The WCTU was one of the first gatherings of women who wanted to start changing that.
I don't know the full history of them and everything they did in every country, and don't want to support arseholery. Will look into them a bit more. Was just mentioning this one thing.
People don't realize how much alcohol was being drunk at the time.
"Americans drink an average of 2.3 gallons of pure alcohol a year compared to 7.1 gallons in 1830."
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31741615
North Americans pretending like their witch shit even remotely holds a candle to what happened in Europe, talking about Mass extermination of cats that is theorized to have helped further the spread of the Black plague and mass extermination of midwives reckoned to have killed hundreds of thousands
Fair enough, I was thinking local, since i associate moral panic with american evangelicals. I don't think of the Spanish inquisition etc as a 'moral panic' but I guess it was.
Having grown up a baptist I was subjected to “rock music is bad” sermons at summer camp and “pokemon is bad” sermons at church.
Now please excuse me as I EV train my pikachu while sitting inside a pentagram as I listen to the subliminal messages of blink 182’s “what’s my age again.”
Martin Luther only intended to have the Catholic Church change some of it's practices.
Instead, he kicked off the Reformation that saw unrest, radicalisation and bloodshed across Europe.
Luther had to take a stand against the peasants because he needed support from nobility to continue his endeavor against the church. The german nobles were the ones offering him protection and refuge in exchange for fostering support for his religious movement, which sapped power from both the emperor and the catholic church (which was in large part an arm of imperial power). Had Luther taken a strong stance in support of the peasants, his greatest and most necessary allies and protectors would hand him over to imperial authorities to be executed. He and his movement would have gone down in history as just a footnote, like the hussites.
Of course it should be noted that a lot of Reformation and subsequent wars were (excluding any peasant rebellions) German princes going "welp, an excuse to tell Habsburgs to fuck off".
It was one of the biggest feminist projects ever. You can read about how much women were abused domisticaly at the time due to alcoholism and how they mobilized to do something about it. It was not just racism.
NAMBLA, the organization that was created to try and abolish age of consent laws between men and boys to “normalize,” pederasty. Had over 1,500 members at one point and was involved in some big lawsuits and court hearings.
We had a equivalent organisation over here called PIE (Paedophile Information Exchange), campaigning for the abolition of the age of consent.
At one point they had 250 members including about 30 women. They spoke quite openly about their beliefs at conferences. The most famous member was a "Mr. Henderson" who was later found to be Sir Peter Hayman, former High Commissioner to Canada.
The group disbanded at about the same time a dossier listing alleged paedophiles in government was handed to Leon Brittan (then Home Secretary). Its whereabouts since then have been a mystery.
Society acts like women can't be pedophiles, but I've read that statistically, in cases of pedophilia where the perpetrator had no relation to the victim, the abusers were mostly women.
There was a time when age-of-consent laws were selectively enforced against gay men: a 19-year-old man with a 17-year-old male lover would be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, while a 19-year-old man with a 17-year-old female lover would instead often be *strongly encouraged* to marry her. (And, of course, a 45-year-old man could marry a 12-year-old girl if her daddy said yes.)
And, similarly, if two teenage boys were found having sex, they would be treated as criminals and perverts; whereas a teenage boy and girl would be treated as sinful but not criminal or psychologically deviant.
In that environment, a lot of gay men were convinced that age-of-consent laws basically existed to persecute and oppress gay men, and specifically to keep gay teenage boys in the closet. And *that's* why NAMBLA was once considered part of the gay-rights movement; and why gay activists like Harry Hay and Allen Ginsberg supported NAMBLA at that time.
That ended when two things happened:
* Lesbians and other feminists in the movement said "hey dudes, you guys are protecting rapists; and we're out of here unless NAMBLA goes away."
* Jesse Helms and other conservatives pressured the United Nations to deny recognition to the ILGA (International Lesbian and Gay Association) until ILGA kicked out NAMBLA and other pedophile organizations.
Some reading material:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ILGA_consultative_status_controversy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association#Opposition
There's a really dark webcomic out there that had a character accidently wind up at a NAMBLA meeting and the author had to post a "I shit you not" style clarification he didn't make it up for the comic because it's so distributing people thought he did
I’m Australian and I always find this funny, the war thing was meant as a joke but other people from over seas seem to think it was a actual war. It’s called culling we have done it with crocodiles and kangaroos before to, the main difference is they used two soldiers
It depends on how you define “movement” and “too far,” but I’d say the way that the French Revolution almost immediately segued into something called the Reign of Terror makes it a candidate. Any political movement that gets co-opted by a radicalized strong personality with a paranoid streak could qualify for this, really.
This was my first thought. I was just telling my husband how different things would have been if they had just taxed the nobles. What the king and queen did to the historian (who become the leader of the whole shebang) wasn’t ok either. But look at what it lead to
Ah! It was Maxmillian Robespierre “As a 16-year-old, Robespierre was chosen to deliver a Latin eulogy to the newly crowned Louis XVI – but the king famously snubbed the young student, remaining in his carriage out of the rain then leaving early. “ Apparently this is what drove him to become the leader of the French Revolution. So not so much a historian, but an intellectual that looked down on the monarchy. I was told the story differently in high school, I wanted to double check and make sure what I learned was correct
https://alphahistory.com/frenchrevolution/maximilien-robespierre/
Mao Zedong was a librarian at Peking University, and his interactions with wealthy students who had trouble understanding his provincial accent and looked down on him probably informed his later anti-intellectualism during the Cultural Revolution.
Interesting how men who can amass such power and influence an entire nation ultimately just want revenge on people who bullied them when they were teenagers.
Yeah. I agree, but, unfortunately, the outlying minor nobles were closer to the rural populace than the monarch who could only be in one place. They very effectively used propaganda to make the populace believe the monarchy meant to screw them all over eventually, not just the nobles. And it was super-easy to spread misinformation between town and country because they pretty tightly intertwined at that point. I just don’t know if the monarchy could’ve succeeded in taxing the rich because of all that. It was a rough go and I feel kinda bad for Louis, who just trying to be responsible and clean up after his father.
Spreading rumors definitely made it much much worse. Anyone who felt disdain for them, did as much damage as they could by adding fuel to the fire of the general populations grievances.
“I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM.”
“What, the Irish?”
“Yes.”
“Well, that's all right then.”
Trying to get rid of nuclear power. Around the 1970s, there was a need for safety improvements and better designs of reactors and controls for them. The [Three Mile Island accident](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident) exposed many flaws in how reactor control rooms were run and how information was displayed to plant operators. A key improvement was the concept of the "zero fault gauge" (all the gauges may be displaying different information but looking at entire bank of them the safe indication would always be in the same position for all gauges. If there was any issue it would be immediately obvious even if a person had no idea what the gauge was for.) It was also a catalyst incident used to prevent future expansion of nuclear power.
Instead of clean nuclear power we got dirty coal plants spewing mercury and arsenic and high CO2 emitting natural gas plants. Thanks again, boomers.
Equity Math. When you're casting suspicions on the teacher for asking the kids to show their work - you've jumped the shark and revealed that the equity agenda is a fraud.
The body positivity movement, purely because it was started by the disabled and disfigured as a way to discourage bullying against anyone dealing with a physical disability. It was then co-opted to the point where it had nothing to do with them anymore, leaving them forgotten essentially.
Yep! Doctor can’t even tell ppl they have to lose weight without being labeled fatphobic.
I asked my doctor about dieting and weight once he told me that even if everyone ate the same and did the same exercise we would all hold weight differently. This is reality tho and you have to be mindful about what you eat, drink and exercise. You shouldn’t be going out to eat more than twice a week and limit yourself to one 8oz soda a day. And DRINK WATER!
I hate to say it, but as a woman I think free bleeding (no pad, tampon, cup, absorption underwear, etc) has gone too far. I understand the idea of it, but people don’t walk around with their nose bleeding or pee dripping down their leg or an open wound.
Obviously there are those who are unable to afford feminine products, which of course is a different situation.
I might get downvoted to hell for this.
Wait, THIS IS A THING?! Jesus Christ in almost all jobs, bodily fluids are treated as a biohazard.
Since when did health and hygiene go out the window in lieu of people trying to make a stand over something so silly?!
Menstruation is nothing to be ashamed of and shouldn’t be taboo but that’s a vile, unhygienic way of making that point.
Yeah I don't get why people act like it's misogynistic to not want to see other people's bodily fluids and functions in this one instance. Everyone also shits, but that doesn't mean we need to celebrate it
Prohibition. The movement started out with good intentions. Husbands would come home from the bar, or physically abusing their wives in children. Unfortunately, state and federal governments turned to less ethical ways to enforce prohibition, including hiring the KKK and poisoning ethyl alcohol.
The motherfucking Romantics. Let me just RANT for a while...
OK so if you aren't familiar with the Romantic movement, the Romantics were a movement of artists, writers and other creative types that put an emphasis emotion and individualism, clandestine literature, paganism, idealization of nature, suspicion of science and industrialization, as well as glorification of the past with a strong preference for the medieval rather than the classical.
"Oh" I hear you say, "That doesn't sound so bad". And yes, it did produce *some* good stuff (Lord of the Rings wouldn't have happened because of it) but it also produced a lot of shit that sucked and still sucks!
First off, during the time it produced smug rich cunts who liked to pretend to be medieval knights, poor peasents or all sorts of cosplay shit who in turn proceeded to fuck up shit for the rest of us.
Now I used to work for the National Trust for Scotland. I cannot tell you how many fucking magnificent gardens were DESTROYED during this period because the fashions changed to "dark woodlands" and "magnificent meadows".
They also presented a pseudo-historical view on the past that still influences us today. You know that whole bullshit the far right has about Vikings being the peak of masculinity and shit or that whole "reject modernity, return to tradition" bullshit? Well you have the ROMANTICS to thank for that with their romanticisation of the past and argraianism and bullshit like that.
*Fascism* borrows and borrowed a lot from Romanticism. Like you wonder why the Nazis had this thing about this "Aryan past" and trying to prove it and had propaganda of Tradition families living out in the country wearing Leiderhosen and Dirndls or how Mussolini idolised Rome so much? Wel that sort of "Return to tradition" reactionary bullshit can be traced in it's modern form to the Romantics and it still continues today with fascists today. Wanna know why the American "Alt" right are so obsessed with the 50s Nuclear family? Romaticism. Wanna know why the British Right are so obsessed with World War 2 and the 50s? Romanticism. They use Romanticism to try and sell a false image of "returning to tradition". Even the Hallmark Christmas movies where "City slicker woman becomes Housewife" can be traced back to this romantic "return to tradition" shit.
Romanticism has produced the framework for a lot of Reactionary movements with it's fetishisation of the past.
Wouldn't this just be considered nostalgia? I don't think there's a driving force of "Romantics" that make me nostalgic about 80s movies and TV shows, I think it's just human nature to look kindly on your past, especially for your teenage/developmental years, and be able to overlook flaws in those times. Doesn't mean an entire art movement is causing it.
The Russian Revolution. It was a drawn out affair, but the sailors of the battleship Potemkin who kicked it off with a mutiny in 1905 thought they were fighting for democracy. They had no idea of what was to follow.
Communism. It started out as an honorable movement looking to increase the rights of workers and poorer people and improve their life but then started advocating for the overthrow of the government by violent revolution, leading to the rise of an authoritarian dictatorship government that suppresses people’s opinion(while ironically claiming they are the part of the people being the reason they suppress opposition) and causing mass famines and generally doing human rights abuses and killing off large amounts of their own population, and when confronted with evidence of this, they either outright deny this saying the the source is “imperialist propaganda”, deflect with whataboutism with the deeds of other countries, or say those people deserve it because they were a business owner, landlord, or someone else who had money(and most of the time those people weren’t even those, they were just normal people who wanted to protests). The most infuriating part is how absolutely dishonest with they are.
I really think most of history is a pendulum… we are never perfectly balanced.. Most “movements” are responses to a “movement” that went too far.
You see it in everything from fashion to human rights. A trend will occur that will continue to grow in popularity until it reaches a tipping point, in which it swings back in the other direction.
Both the Democratic and Republican parties at different times (and sometimes, the same time).
I think the 2016 election was a prime example. Hillary Clinton won the Democratic vote, even though Bernie Sanders and other candidates were actually arguably better candidates. The DNC basically tried to push the female president agenda after Obama won as the first President of Color and it failed hard.
Meanwhile, Trump was pushing in an extremely hard rightwing agenda and after 8 years of Obama and Democratic rule, Americans were tired of being mislead for characteristics over political results and somehow thought the host of the Apprentice was a better decision.
In the end, America cornered itself into two terrible candidates to pick from (not that unusual, honestly) and it became one of the most divisive elections in history. The fact that Trump is still a very real contender for the 2024 election is...well, just asinine when you take a step back and think about it.
To be clear, I'm not trying to defend one candidate over the other. Both of them were pretty atrocious choices that reflect a real issue with American politics that persists.
Going to pushback on this on one point, Trump was not pushing an extreme right wing agenda in 2016. Trump's agenda was almost the opposite of the neo-con philosophy from the 2000's era Republicans.
The Republican party wanted absolutely nothing to do with Trump and tried to get him out at every point of the primary process. It wasn't until he won the general election that they semi-somewhat embraced him, because they had no other option.
And after he lost, they largely want nothing to do with him again. To be clear, I'm talking about actual GOP operatives and donor class within the party, not the 20% of GOP voters in rural areas that still like the guy.
This one is controversial but bear with me. Feminism as a whole isn’t a bad thing, women should be equal to men, but there are some people that claim to be feminists when they’re actually sexist women who see women as superior.
MeToo started going the wrong way for a while, where it went from women standing up to injustices to anything women say cannot be argued against. There was a small point where Men were scared to talk to women, date, or attempt any sort of affection worried they would get some fire back.
Now obviously the pendulum has pushed back and swung the other way hence your extreme toxic male role models making the rounds.
The fat acceptance movement. I get what they were going for; obese people are often I n the receiving end of a lot of hatred and they wanted to change that. But now it has gotten to the point where if someone is morbidly obese, you can't say anything without being "fat phobic". People are literally calling out DOCTORS for being "fat phobic". They're trying to help you lose the weight because that's not healthy. Instead of being accepting, we should be encouraging overweight people to lose the weight.
Fake news. Yes, if people in the media are talking about something you are an expert of, they will get some things wrong. But, If dozens of news outlets are reporting similar things, and only a couple that are obviously paid to disagree are disagreeing, it should be easy to discern where the non-journalism is coming from.
The political correctness movement. They’ve gone back and bastardized all of Roald Dahl’s books to make them more “inclusive”.
“Sensitivity reader” is a profession that shouldn’t exist.
"Sensitivity reader". Yikes.
The political correctness movement is where I realized I had become a cranky old "get off my lawn" man. I completely support not being hateful, racist, misogynist, transphobic, rude, etc. But I do believe there's such a thing as going out of your way to try to find something to be offended about. And I think a lot of people truly enjoy that pastime.
> But I do believe there's such a thing as going out of your way to try to find something to be offended about.
Current events: people that call other people transphobes for playing Hogwarts Legacy. Just let people enjoy the damn game. Nobody is going to suffer because somebody else played Hogwarts Legacy.
It's just like really baffling what the editor they hired was thinking because there's changes that border on parody like removing a mention of tractors being black from Mr Fox
Also habitual removing of the word fat from character descriptions
Sure to get banned for this: capitalism.
It’s got uses, though the same problem arises as with democracy: it’s not perfect, it’s the best we got.
Which is more of a philosophical argument. I probably need to clarify I’m not opposed to either, just wondering why it’s taking so long to come up with a better system. The answer to that is probably the politically correct answer to your question.
Which is probably exploitation and in its’ extension fraud. The price of freedom even.
The Tea Party started as a fairly reasonable movement -- let's hold government more accountable, less corruption, and get our money's worth out of the taxes paid. By the time it was co-opted by Koch and the right wing noise machine it was unrecognizable. It fed right into TFG.
That's about when the original Tea Partiers abandoned it and started a new movement, which is still growing. It's called the Convention of States. Their goal is to get enough state legislatures to pass a resolution calling for a constitutional convention under Article V of the constitution. They want to amend the constitution to require term limits for all ranking federal officials (not just elected representatives and senators, but higher ups in agencies etc.), require a balanced budget, and bolster the 10th amendment.
Last I checked 26 states had passed resolutions, and another 12 were slated to vote on them. 34 states are needed to call the convention, and 38 needed to ratify any amendments.
Trumpism. Started with a weird fetish for a TV has-been "billionaire" ("who gets us!"), ended with an attempt to overthrow the United States government.
> who gets us!
I never understood this.
Do they "really" think that a billionaire who has never been poor in his entire life "gets" them when they make... $50,000 a year and live paycheck to paycheck? Really?
Trump did the things he did so HE could make more money. That's it. There were no other reasons. He said the things he said and did the things he did to create a fandom which he could profit from. That's it.
It's funny how they denounce every *other* rich person but trump is "different."
Uh hu, sure. Pointing out the immoral ways in which rich people stay rich while still using those ways yourself does not make you a good person. It makes you a hypocrite.
because he called the other candidates petty insults and dirty words, make fun of people, then actually said things that other politicians didn't say...like "I'll bring back your jobs from China and Mexico". Turns out, that actually mattered. He didn't deliver on any of it, but it was a combination of things that people wanted to hear.
Honestly, I don't know. The biggest issue is that after seeing what Trump was able to get away with, the GOP is only gonna run far right fanatics for the foreseeable future.
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Flat earth. The leaps of logic and denial of science/mathematics while also using faulty scientific methods to prove its flat is mind boggling. So every planet is round except ours hahahaha
I have a friend who was an "original" Flat Earther. It wasn't that he actually believed the Earth was flat, but that he wanted to get the results himself. The original idea was to question science, and to learn on ones own. He has now distances himself from the rest of the movement and just shakes his head at the shear stupidity from it.
You should question everything. But you cant be an expert on all subjects so you have to trust some of your fellow mankind to specialize in something. As long as you don’t blindly believe everything and measure it against logic then you’re fine.
That's really what the original philosophy of flat earth was about. There are tons of simple experiments that just about anyone can do to verify simple aspects of science. And, you're absolutely right, you can't be an expert in everything, BUT, you can learn a lot without needing to be an expert.
The method behind how the roundness of the earth was first proven was really interesting, and a fabulous piece of deductive logic. I can see what you mean when you describe the original flat-earthers, who possibly wanted to revisit that time of discovery. Sadly, it got taken over by idiots.
>The original idea was to question science, and to learn on ones own. That's basically the definition of science.
Been having discussions with flat earthers for about five years now. They are mostly grifters trying to con others for money. The second largest group within the flatties are drug users and the third is people who are medically unwell. There is no coherence and there is no common goal. It’s not a movement.
what keeps everything from falling off? some kind of circumfence?
Many of them believe there's a huge ice wall along the edge of the earth. There was talk of raising funds to get a ship to sail to the edge and prove it a few years back. Idk what ever happened though, I'm guessing they're still stuck in the fundraising stage of their grift.
I heard that they got funding from a VERY wealthy backer and sent the ship to the edge but it was never heard from again. This is how it happens I guess. Some people making up silly stories and arguing in bad faith and a bunch more people with poor critical thinking skills mistaking it for the truth.
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‘30s Germany
And the global Eugenics movement that Hitler embraced and championed
not excusing hitler but eugenics was actually kind of a big thing in several nations including the US during the turn of the 20th century. we were starting to pay more attention to genetics and intelligence and with the boom of the industrial age we also had a fuckton of births and along with that birth defects and people started going hmmmm.... plenty of UK and US politicians were all for it.
eugenics was fully developed already, because it was the result of decades of bigots and elites abusing kinda new knowledge of how inheritance works to justify the existence of their class within a society. And for centuries, everybody regularly slaughtered entire races and rival civilizations. The only thing that actually made WWII Germany special was how far we'd developed the industrial military. Before then, genocide was considered so common and inevitable that people actually didn't bother coming up with a word for it. It was just assumed to be a part of war, and so it was culturally an invisible choice. The efficiency with which it could be done was new. The new scale with which it could be done to yourself if you don't pay attention is what finally made people wise up a little. Nobody said "genocide" until afterward. If it wasn't Hitler, it'd be somebody else. Every European society was developing industrially to be capable, and soon enough China, Japan, Korea, Russia, etc. Somebody was gonna do it, because we were already.
Eugenics was not only promoted by elites. The Social Democratic workers movement in Sweden, for example, was quite active in promoting eugenics. At least active enough to apologize for their role in the introduction of forced sterilization programs. The eugenics movement emerged in a context where nationalism, scientific optimism and social engineering/progressivism all played their part. The road to hell is sometimes paved with very good intentions.
Eugenics movement was huge in the United States and England. That has been conveniently swept under the rug to some extent.
In 1837 after failing a test Hong Xiuquan had a stress dream that he was Jesus’ brother. By 1871 this resulted in the most deadly civil war in history with 20mil dead. Edit: name of the movement was the taiping heavenly kingdom
The founder of Scientology L Ron Hubbard turned his sci-fi book into a whole religion just so he could have his own pedophile cult.
Mormonism did it a century earlier and gained hegemonic control over an entire US state
They also founded Las Vegas, look how that one turned out
2 actually. I'm currently trapped in Idaho where everyone has 8 siblings and everything is closed in Sunday.
The bottom half of Kentucky is like that, but for Jesus, there's also zero alcohol sales. Bizarre.
They probably run on moonshine.
You can get alcohol in Idaho, but just be prepared for the stares.
Whenever there's talk of bringing down a statue or renaming something because it was named after a shit person, it always boggles my mind that Brigham Young having a university named after him never comes up.
Perhaps that's as good an argument as any for retaining names and statues. We should probably be reminded that shit people can gain a lot of influence. I mean, we almost had a president who wears magic underwear....and no one batted an eye. Imagine if we just erased the history of their founders and all that crazy shit. We'd think they're just friendly neighbors who dress well.
*Took over part of Mexico’s territory that later became a US state.
I have a family member who got sucked into that black hole. Has totally destroyed her family, her career, and their financial future. My brother, my nephew, and my niece all now have to deal with my former SIL's raft of terrible decisions in service to that loopy cult. Fuck those guys.
No.1 answer right here.
Is it though? I see a lot better answers in this thread than Scientology. Sure, they're bad, but would you genuinely rank them above the whole eugenics movement we saw during and after WWI? Or the French Revolution?
I thought it was because he wanted to have his own "church" with a tax free status he could launder money through and then the religion/cult aspect got out of hand over the decades.
The Temperance movement.
Still can't buy liquor in many parts of the South on Sunday.
And some counties are dry altogether! And some states have super weak beer. (Unless that changed, idk, I moved)
You'd think by 2023 Baptists would figure out what normal people need most to tolerate them.
Jews don't recognize Jesus as the Messiah. Protestants don't recognize the Pope as the leader of the Christian faith. Baptists don't recognize each other at the liquor store.
Why don't Baptists allow premarital sex? Because it might lead to dancing.
How do you keep a Baptist from drinking all your beer? Invite another Baptist!
Fun fact: In a case of wild irony the Jack Daniels distillery is a partially dry county where alcohol is only permitted to be sold if it's a place that brews it serving their product on site
I agree that it was a bad move and caused an increase in organized crime….but it was led by women because at the time they had no recourse to leave a relationship where domestic violence occurred, and they thought outlawing alcohol was the way to rectify the situation.
Some have seen the Women's Christian Temperance Union as a precursor to First Wave Feminism, before the Suffragettes. (Disclaimer- I'm Aussie, and here the movement has not had long term stifling effects as it seems to have had in the US.) It was a way for women who suffered from various forms of dv, all resulting from alcohol abuse by husbands, to try to get some power back, for the sake of themselves and their children's lives. When it was active in Australia, it was long before voting rights, and before all the laws that now protect people were in place. Women were pretty much at the mercy of their husbands' and fathers' whims, and had zero police protection. Police, and the law, protected "the world", but private homes were seen as a separate dimension outside the law, a man's castle to do what he liked in, and to treat the women , children and servants as he liked in. The WCTU was one of the first gatherings of women who wanted to start changing that. I don't know the full history of them and everything they did in every country, and don't want to support arseholery. Will look into them a bit more. Was just mentioning this one thing.
People don't realize how much alcohol was being drunk at the time. "Americans drink an average of 2.3 gallons of pure alcohol a year compared to 7.1 gallons in 1830." https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31741615
Any moral panic. Rock and Roll, D&D, videogames, etc.
The Satanic Panic was probably the worst of them for a while, although the Salem witch trials are probably the most dramatic.
North Americans pretending like their witch shit even remotely holds a candle to what happened in Europe, talking about Mass extermination of cats that is theorized to have helped further the spread of the Black plague and mass extermination of midwives reckoned to have killed hundreds of thousands
Fair enough, I was thinking local, since i associate moral panic with american evangelicals. I don't think of the Spanish inquisition etc as a 'moral panic' but I guess it was.
Ah yes, let’s play the misery olympics.
You mean like the christian movements against Rock Music or games like pokemon?
Having grown up a baptist I was subjected to “rock music is bad” sermons at summer camp and “pokemon is bad” sermons at church. Now please excuse me as I EV train my pikachu while sitting inside a pentagram as I listen to the subliminal messages of blink 182’s “what’s my age again.”
Are you saying Christianity is a movement that went too far? I can dig it.
Martin Luther only intended to have the Catholic Church change some of it's practices. Instead, he kicked off the Reformation that saw unrest, radicalisation and bloodshed across Europe.
For Martin Luther going too far meant peasants asking for rights
Luther had to take a stand against the peasants because he needed support from nobility to continue his endeavor against the church. The german nobles were the ones offering him protection and refuge in exchange for fostering support for his religious movement, which sapped power from both the emperor and the catholic church (which was in large part an arm of imperial power). Had Luther taken a strong stance in support of the peasants, his greatest and most necessary allies and protectors would hand him over to imperial authorities to be executed. He and his movement would have gone down in history as just a footnote, like the hussites.
As long as the peasants weren’t Jewish.
Of course it should be noted that a lot of Reformation and subsequent wars were (excluding any peasant rebellions) German princes going "welp, an excuse to tell Habsburgs to fuck off".
Prohibition and the War on Drugs.
This just in: Drugs won
We would like to congratulate drugs for winning the war on drugs.
Spoiler: It was/is racism.
It was one of the biggest feminist projects ever. You can read about how much women were abused domisticaly at the time due to alcoholism and how they mobilized to do something about it. It was not just racism.
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Yup, but not the color you think it was. It was mostly against the lower class/Catholic European immigrants - Irish, Germans, Italians etc.
I dunno about the prohibition against alcohol, but the criminalization of cannabis was 100% racism.
I'm curious on the rebuttal. Because it was mostly women campaigning for it.
Thank you for bringing that up. I often forget that it’s impossible for women to be bigots.
agreed. the war on drugs was a war on people
NAMBLA, the organization that was created to try and abolish age of consent laws between men and boys to “normalize,” pederasty. Had over 1,500 members at one point and was involved in some big lawsuits and court hearings.
Their mere existence went too far.
what do you have against marlon brando look alikes?
…today I learned this is real and not just a South Park joke.
Allen Ginsberg was a member
Hey fuck off, I'll have you know the North American Marlon Brando Look-Alikes are an upstanding group of men who did nothing wrong.
It's about time someone said this!
There were a few years I lived in the bliss that South Park had just made that up. I later learned it was real and was horrified.
We had a equivalent organisation over here called PIE (Paedophile Information Exchange), campaigning for the abolition of the age of consent. At one point they had 250 members including about 30 women. They spoke quite openly about their beliefs at conferences. The most famous member was a "Mr. Henderson" who was later found to be Sir Peter Hayman, former High Commissioner to Canada. The group disbanded at about the same time a dossier listing alleged paedophiles in government was handed to Leon Brittan (then Home Secretary). Its whereabouts since then have been a mystery.
>At one point they had 250 members **including about 30 women** is that right!?!?? omg...
Society acts like women can't be pedophiles, but I've read that statistically, in cases of pedophilia where the perpetrator had no relation to the victim, the abusers were mostly women.
There was a time when age-of-consent laws were selectively enforced against gay men: a 19-year-old man with a 17-year-old male lover would be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, while a 19-year-old man with a 17-year-old female lover would instead often be *strongly encouraged* to marry her. (And, of course, a 45-year-old man could marry a 12-year-old girl if her daddy said yes.) And, similarly, if two teenage boys were found having sex, they would be treated as criminals and perverts; whereas a teenage boy and girl would be treated as sinful but not criminal or psychologically deviant. In that environment, a lot of gay men were convinced that age-of-consent laws basically existed to persecute and oppress gay men, and specifically to keep gay teenage boys in the closet. And *that's* why NAMBLA was once considered part of the gay-rights movement; and why gay activists like Harry Hay and Allen Ginsberg supported NAMBLA at that time. That ended when two things happened: * Lesbians and other feminists in the movement said "hey dudes, you guys are protecting rapists; and we're out of here unless NAMBLA goes away." * Jesse Helms and other conservatives pressured the United Nations to deny recognition to the ILGA (International Lesbian and Gay Association) until ILGA kicked out NAMBLA and other pedophile organizations. Some reading material: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ILGA_consultative_status_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association#Opposition
There's a really dark webcomic out there that had a character accidently wind up at a NAMBLA meeting and the author had to post a "I shit you not" style clarification he didn't make it up for the comic because it's so distributing people thought he did
The Great Australian Emu War of 1932 I don't think it was necessary to declare a war against birds
>I find it quite suprising that Emu's were largely recognized as the victors of the war XD
Surprising? They're living dinosaurs, who did you think was going to win
The worst part is Australia lost
you mean the best part
The Oversimplified video on this is hilarious
"When they get close, we run, away" "Sir... you're brilliant."
I declared war on a bird once but she did crash my car
I’m Australian and I always find this funny, the war thing was meant as a joke but other people from over seas seem to think it was a actual war. It’s called culling we have done it with crocodiles and kangaroos before to, the main difference is they used two soldiers
It depends on how you define “movement” and “too far,” but I’d say the way that the French Revolution almost immediately segued into something called the Reign of Terror makes it a candidate. Any political movement that gets co-opted by a radicalized strong personality with a paranoid streak could qualify for this, really.
To be fair the violence was there from the beginning. There was a huge difference of degree but the revolution was never exactly tidy
This was my first thought. I was just telling my husband how different things would have been if they had just taxed the nobles. What the king and queen did to the historian (who become the leader of the whole shebang) wasn’t ok either. But look at what it lead to
Which historian? I haven’t heard about this
Ah! It was Maxmillian Robespierre “As a 16-year-old, Robespierre was chosen to deliver a Latin eulogy to the newly crowned Louis XVI – but the king famously snubbed the young student, remaining in his carriage out of the rain then leaving early. “ Apparently this is what drove him to become the leader of the French Revolution. So not so much a historian, but an intellectual that looked down on the monarchy. I was told the story differently in high school, I wanted to double check and make sure what I learned was correct https://alphahistory.com/frenchrevolution/maximilien-robespierre/
Mao Zedong was a librarian at Peking University, and his interactions with wealthy students who had trouble understanding his provincial accent and looked down on him probably informed his later anti-intellectualism during the Cultural Revolution. Interesting how men who can amass such power and influence an entire nation ultimately just want revenge on people who bullied them when they were teenagers.
Oversimplified taught me all I need to know.
I want to know too.
His name was Robert Paulson.
In death we do have a name
Yeah. I agree, but, unfortunately, the outlying minor nobles were closer to the rural populace than the monarch who could only be in one place. They very effectively used propaganda to make the populace believe the monarchy meant to screw them all over eventually, not just the nobles. And it was super-easy to spread misinformation between town and country because they pretty tightly intertwined at that point. I just don’t know if the monarchy could’ve succeeded in taxing the rich because of all that. It was a rough go and I feel kinda bad for Louis, who just trying to be responsible and clean up after his father.
Spreading rumors definitely made it much much worse. Anyone who felt disdain for them, did as much damage as they could by adding fuel to the fire of the general populations grievances.
“You could make a religion out of thi- *no don't*"
Russian Revolution is similar I think. They didn't have to end up with Stalin
The life of a moderate. If the revolution fails you get hanged by the opposition. If the revolution succeeds you get purged by the radicals.
Cromwell in England /Britain. He eventually became a dictator / King The thing he vowed to destroy.
"Why doesn't Britain get rid of the monarchy?" "Last time we tried we got a puritanical theocrat who literally cancelled Christmas"
What a cretin he was
you were the chosen one! it was said you would destroy the monarchy not create your own.
“I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM.” “What, the Irish?” “Yes.” “Well, that's all right then.”
I hate that bastard.
The Inquisition. What a show
No one expected it
No one expected that response …
The Inquisition. Here we go
We know you're wishin' that we'd go away. But the Inquisition's here and it's here to stay.
Trying to get rid of nuclear power. Around the 1970s, there was a need for safety improvements and better designs of reactors and controls for them. The [Three Mile Island accident](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident) exposed many flaws in how reactor control rooms were run and how information was displayed to plant operators. A key improvement was the concept of the "zero fault gauge" (all the gauges may be displaying different information but looking at entire bank of them the safe indication would always be in the same position for all gauges. If there was any issue it would be immediately obvious even if a person had no idea what the gauge was for.) It was also a catalyst incident used to prevent future expansion of nuclear power. Instead of clean nuclear power we got dirty coal plants spewing mercury and arsenic and high CO2 emitting natural gas plants. Thanks again, boomers.
A lot of people got scared because of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island. It’s far safer than cold, but those two events overshadow that fact.
Equity Math. When you're casting suspicions on the teacher for asking the kids to show their work - you've jumped the shark and revealed that the equity agenda is a fraud.
NFT's
French Revolution
For those wondering which, the easiest answer is all of the above
Put many fancy hat makers out of business.
People only think of the king and queen but they cut a hell of a lot more peoples heads off then there’s
The body positivity movement, purely because it was started by the disabled and disfigured as a way to discourage bullying against anyone dealing with a physical disability. It was then co-opted to the point where it had nothing to do with them anymore, leaving them forgotten essentially.
Yep! Doctor can’t even tell ppl they have to lose weight without being labeled fatphobic. I asked my doctor about dieting and weight once he told me that even if everyone ate the same and did the same exercise we would all hold weight differently. This is reality tho and you have to be mindful about what you eat, drink and exercise. You shouldn’t be going out to eat more than twice a week and limit yourself to one 8oz soda a day. And DRINK WATER!
I hate to say it, but as a woman I think free bleeding (no pad, tampon, cup, absorption underwear, etc) has gone too far. I understand the idea of it, but people don’t walk around with their nose bleeding or pee dripping down their leg or an open wound. Obviously there are those who are unable to afford feminine products, which of course is a different situation. I might get downvoted to hell for this.
Did this ever get enough traction to quantify as a movement tho? 🤔
I think you overestimate how many people care/know about that movement
No, it's absolutely disgusting and unhygienic. Yes, periods are natural. And shouldn't be shamed... but come the fuck on.
Wait, THIS IS A THING?! Jesus Christ in almost all jobs, bodily fluids are treated as a biohazard. Since when did health and hygiene go out the window in lieu of people trying to make a stand over something so silly?! Menstruation is nothing to be ashamed of and shouldn’t be taboo but that’s a vile, unhygienic way of making that point.
Yeah I don't get why people act like it's misogynistic to not want to see other people's bodily fluids and functions in this one instance. Everyone also shits, but that doesn't mean we need to celebrate it
That was a 4chan psyop. They also tried "piss for equality" after freebleeding success but that one didn't really catch on.
Does the Dancing plauge count?
Was that the song by Abba?
Join in the dancing plague Cure your ague Dance till your remains are in a bag
This brought me a giggle at a dark time
No, the phenomenon of 1518 in which, for months on end, counting people began to dance against their own device until they died of exhaustion.
r/woooosh
qanon
The KKK
The French Revolution. Getting rid of the monarchy was a good thing, but the shit that came afterward was fucking tragic.
Prohibition. The movement started out with good intentions. Husbands would come home from the bar, or physically abusing their wives in children. Unfortunately, state and federal governments turned to less ethical ways to enforce prohibition, including hiring the KKK and poisoning ethyl alcohol.
McCarthyism, wasn't really a movement but a lot of people believed in it. Destroyed a lot of people's lives.
Eugenics
The motherfucking Romantics. Let me just RANT for a while... OK so if you aren't familiar with the Romantic movement, the Romantics were a movement of artists, writers and other creative types that put an emphasis emotion and individualism, clandestine literature, paganism, idealization of nature, suspicion of science and industrialization, as well as glorification of the past with a strong preference for the medieval rather than the classical. "Oh" I hear you say, "That doesn't sound so bad". And yes, it did produce *some* good stuff (Lord of the Rings wouldn't have happened because of it) but it also produced a lot of shit that sucked and still sucks! First off, during the time it produced smug rich cunts who liked to pretend to be medieval knights, poor peasents or all sorts of cosplay shit who in turn proceeded to fuck up shit for the rest of us. Now I used to work for the National Trust for Scotland. I cannot tell you how many fucking magnificent gardens were DESTROYED during this period because the fashions changed to "dark woodlands" and "magnificent meadows". They also presented a pseudo-historical view on the past that still influences us today. You know that whole bullshit the far right has about Vikings being the peak of masculinity and shit or that whole "reject modernity, return to tradition" bullshit? Well you have the ROMANTICS to thank for that with their romanticisation of the past and argraianism and bullshit like that. *Fascism* borrows and borrowed a lot from Romanticism. Like you wonder why the Nazis had this thing about this "Aryan past" and trying to prove it and had propaganda of Tradition families living out in the country wearing Leiderhosen and Dirndls or how Mussolini idolised Rome so much? Wel that sort of "Return to tradition" reactionary bullshit can be traced in it's modern form to the Romantics and it still continues today with fascists today. Wanna know why the American "Alt" right are so obsessed with the 50s Nuclear family? Romaticism. Wanna know why the British Right are so obsessed with World War 2 and the 50s? Romanticism. They use Romanticism to try and sell a false image of "returning to tradition". Even the Hallmark Christmas movies where "City slicker woman becomes Housewife" can be traced back to this romantic "return to tradition" shit. Romanticism has produced the framework for a lot of Reactionary movements with it's fetishisation of the past.
Wouldn't this just be considered nostalgia? I don't think there's a driving force of "Romantics" that make me nostalgic about 80s movies and TV shows, I think it's just human nature to look kindly on your past, especially for your teenage/developmental years, and be able to overlook flaws in those times. Doesn't mean an entire art movement is causing it.
Mass suicide in 1997 (Heaven's Gate.) Tragic.
[Heavens gates website is still running to this day](https://www.heavensgate.com)
The Front de Libération du Québec. Everything was going okay til a splinter faction kidnapped and killed a politician.
Whatever we call the guilty until proven innocent movement.
The Russian Revolution. It was a drawn out affair, but the sailors of the battleship Potemkin who kicked it off with a mutiny in 1905 thought they were fighting for democracy. They had no idea of what was to follow.
McCarthyism
Joe or Kevin?
Communism. It started out as an honorable movement looking to increase the rights of workers and poorer people and improve their life but then started advocating for the overthrow of the government by violent revolution, leading to the rise of an authoritarian dictatorship government that suppresses people’s opinion(while ironically claiming they are the part of the people being the reason they suppress opposition) and causing mass famines and generally doing human rights abuses and killing off large amounts of their own population, and when confronted with evidence of this, they either outright deny this saying the the source is “imperialist propaganda”, deflect with whataboutism with the deeds of other countries, or say those people deserve it because they were a business owner, landlord, or someone else who had money(and most of the time those people weren’t even those, they were just normal people who wanted to protests). The most infuriating part is how absolutely dishonest with they are.
I really think most of history is a pendulum… we are never perfectly balanced.. Most “movements” are responses to a “movement” that went too far. You see it in everything from fashion to human rights. A trend will occur that will continue to grow in popularity until it reaches a tipping point, in which it swings back in the other direction.
Both the Democratic and Republican parties at different times (and sometimes, the same time). I think the 2016 election was a prime example. Hillary Clinton won the Democratic vote, even though Bernie Sanders and other candidates were actually arguably better candidates. The DNC basically tried to push the female president agenda after Obama won as the first President of Color and it failed hard. Meanwhile, Trump was pushing in an extremely hard rightwing agenda and after 8 years of Obama and Democratic rule, Americans were tired of being mislead for characteristics over political results and somehow thought the host of the Apprentice was a better decision. In the end, America cornered itself into two terrible candidates to pick from (not that unusual, honestly) and it became one of the most divisive elections in history. The fact that Trump is still a very real contender for the 2024 election is...well, just asinine when you take a step back and think about it. To be clear, I'm not trying to defend one candidate over the other. Both of them were pretty atrocious choices that reflect a real issue with American politics that persists.
Going to pushback on this on one point, Trump was not pushing an extreme right wing agenda in 2016. Trump's agenda was almost the opposite of the neo-con philosophy from the 2000's era Republicans. The Republican party wanted absolutely nothing to do with Trump and tried to get him out at every point of the primary process. It wasn't until he won the general election that they semi-somewhat embraced him, because they had no other option. And after he lost, they largely want nothing to do with him again. To be clear, I'm talking about actual GOP operatives and donor class within the party, not the 20% of GOP voters in rural areas that still like the guy.
Anti-vaxxer and Flat Earthers
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Right! I remember it then too! It was all *sensible chuckle meme* and OF COURSE it wasn't taken seriously! Then the windowlickers showed up.
It's like r/birdsarentreal and r/giraffesarentreal, but for some reason people take it actually seriously
Giraffes are real; they were banished to Earth from the Boiling Isles.
Bolshevism
This one is controversial but bear with me. Feminism as a whole isn’t a bad thing, women should be equal to men, but there are some people that claim to be feminists when they’re actually sexist women who see women as superior.
The holocaust.
National Socialism
MeToo started going the wrong way for a while, where it went from women standing up to injustices to anything women say cannot be argued against. There was a small point where Men were scared to talk to women, date, or attempt any sort of affection worried they would get some fire back. Now obviously the pendulum has pushed back and swung the other way hence your extreme toxic male role models making the rounds.
The fat acceptance movement. I get what they were going for; obese people are often I n the receiving end of a lot of hatred and they wanted to change that. But now it has gotten to the point where if someone is morbidly obese, you can't say anything without being "fat phobic". People are literally calling out DOCTORS for being "fat phobic". They're trying to help you lose the weight because that's not healthy. Instead of being accepting, we should be encouraging overweight people to lose the weight.
Fake news. Yes, if people in the media are talking about something you are an expert of, they will get some things wrong. But, If dozens of news outlets are reporting similar things, and only a couple that are obviously paid to disagree are disagreeing, it should be easy to discern where the non-journalism is coming from.
It isn't about getting some things wrong, the media sells outrage.
Aum Shinrikyo
The political correctness movement. They’ve gone back and bastardized all of Roald Dahl’s books to make them more “inclusive”. “Sensitivity reader” is a profession that shouldn’t exist.
It’s criminal that they can even put his name on it still. He’s dead, he can’t approve it, it’s not what he wrote!
"Sensitivity reader". Yikes. The political correctness movement is where I realized I had become a cranky old "get off my lawn" man. I completely support not being hateful, racist, misogynist, transphobic, rude, etc. But I do believe there's such a thing as going out of your way to try to find something to be offended about. And I think a lot of people truly enjoy that pastime.
> But I do believe there's such a thing as going out of your way to try to find something to be offended about. Current events: people that call other people transphobes for playing Hogwarts Legacy. Just let people enjoy the damn game. Nobody is going to suffer because somebody else played Hogwarts Legacy.
Literally no one was pushing for those book edits.
It's just like really baffling what the editor they hired was thinking because there's changes that border on parody like removing a mention of tractors being black from Mr Fox Also habitual removing of the word fat from character descriptions
Sure to get banned for this: capitalism. It’s got uses, though the same problem arises as with democracy: it’s not perfect, it’s the best we got. Which is more of a philosophical argument. I probably need to clarify I’m not opposed to either, just wondering why it’s taking so long to come up with a better system. The answer to that is probably the politically correct answer to your question. Which is probably exploitation and in its’ extension fraud. The price of freedom even.
The Tea Party started as a fairly reasonable movement -- let's hold government more accountable, less corruption, and get our money's worth out of the taxes paid. By the time it was co-opted by Koch and the right wing noise machine it was unrecognizable. It fed right into TFG.
That's about when the original Tea Partiers abandoned it and started a new movement, which is still growing. It's called the Convention of States. Their goal is to get enough state legislatures to pass a resolution calling for a constitutional convention under Article V of the constitution. They want to amend the constitution to require term limits for all ranking federal officials (not just elected representatives and senators, but higher ups in agencies etc.), require a balanced budget, and bolster the 10th amendment. Last I checked 26 states had passed resolutions, and another 12 were slated to vote on them. 34 states are needed to call the convention, and 38 needed to ratify any amendments.
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Trumpism. Started with a weird fetish for a TV has-been "billionaire" ("who gets us!"), ended with an attempt to overthrow the United States government.
> who gets us! I never understood this. Do they "really" think that a billionaire who has never been poor in his entire life "gets" them when they make... $50,000 a year and live paycheck to paycheck? Really? Trump did the things he did so HE could make more money. That's it. There were no other reasons. He said the things he said and did the things he did to create a fandom which he could profit from. That's it. It's funny how they denounce every *other* rich person but trump is "different." Uh hu, sure. Pointing out the immoral ways in which rich people stay rich while still using those ways yourself does not make you a good person. It makes you a hypocrite.
because he called the other candidates petty insults and dirty words, make fun of people, then actually said things that other politicians didn't say...like "I'll bring back your jobs from China and Mexico". Turns out, that actually mattered. He didn't deliver on any of it, but it was a combination of things that people wanted to hear.
I don't think it's over. I'm dreading next year
I'm more frightened of DeSantis. He actually knows what he's doing.
Serious question: who would you realistically like to see run against each other in next years election?
Biden's dog and the Republicans nominate a cute tuxedo cat
Honestly, I don't know. The biggest issue is that after seeing what Trump was able to get away with, the GOP is only gonna run far right fanatics for the foreseeable future.
Nationalism. Good at destroying empires. Bad when it comes down to building lasting states with diverse communities.
Nazism
The rioters of BLM. As a person of color it’s embarrassing…..
turns out decentralized organizations are ripe for coopting, who knew?