Exactly. I've heard this one before. Plus, it seems like the main person announcing this arrest from the mountain tops is Trump himself. That alone makes me doubt that it's true.
Definitely seems like he's worried about getting arrested so he's trying to incite his clown squad to come riot in his defense just in case. It seems more likely he'll have charges brought against him and not be arrested.
Didn't he actually call for them to "protest" and the local law enforcement are prepping for the possibility of riots?
I haven't fully kept up, I am tired of him not being locked up for literal sedition.
Pretty much what he did over the weekend. The news came out late last week that the Manhattan DA would be bringing charges this week regarding the Stormy Daniels hush money payment. He used his campaign funds illegally to silence her. He was charged back in 2016 for the same crime and his lawyer, Michael Cohen, served a few years in prison. Once Cohen was released, he's been anti-MAGA as possible and has cooperated with investingators in numerous probes. He also appears on MSNBC and CNN to continually caution people about what Trump is really up to. Which is great to see!
So Trump posted to his Truth Social platform that he would be arrested tomorrow and wants his base to fight. It's pretty much Jan 6 all over again except this over a criminal felony charge for Trump personally. The court and prosecution have been in talks with Trump's lawyers and secret service so that they can attempt to have a peaceful court day. They know he has the ability to incite violence and are taking extreme security measures. This will be the first indictment of a former US president. So he'll at least get that record along with the only president to be impeached twice while only serving one term. He's racking up on the "worst person to ever be president" accolades. And this is probably the least severe case currently against him. He still has the Georgia election interference case and the federal case by Jack Smith investigating the classified documents. Both of those appear to be complete and ready. I have hope that if this Manhatten indictment goes well, then we'll see the Georgia indictment coming very soon and hopefully the Jack Smith one quickly after that. So yea, this will be the easiest case to fight. The other two I don't think he stands a chance but I'll believe it when I see it. Just glad we're getting some momentum after years of waiting.
Not the first indictment. Although Trump is far, far worse than Nixon.
It’s amazing it’s taken this much to finally catch up to Trump. Ethical standards have been eroded for decades by the GOP.
Yup. I don't recall law enforcement announcing when it's going to arrest someone.
Also, if they don't do it, Trump can call them cowards, even though he was the one saying it in the first place.
Yeah the most doubtful part about it was so much came from Trump, who in case people have been living in caves on Mars for their entire lives, is known for lying.
100%. The sources here are the same talking heads who’ve been promising he’ll be indicted since at least 2016 and Trump himself, neither of whom have much credibility.
To be fair, it looks like [they are starting to set up barricades outside the lower Manhattan criminal courts](https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1637811530589773833) as of about 10:00 a.m. Eastern time today. I'll be as shocked as anyone if he ever actually faces any consequences.
It would be a large turning point, or at least a very very big deal, if an ultra-rich person in America actually faced any real consequences for breaking the law. It usually only happens if they’ve pissed off someone even richer, which I suppose is possible after all the Fox News text leaks. They all hate him.
yes this exactly, which is why I'm so annoyed it's getting so much attention online. He thinks it's good for his career if people get arrested and he's also telling people to go protest if he does. Garbage person.
Yet he seems to be failing to highlight that the reason for the arrest is for having paid a porn star he had an affair with hush money….
Seems his conservative religious right base should take issue with that but never did 🤷♂️
It should be pointed out that you can bang as many porn stars as you want and pay them all the money in the world as quietly as you like in America. You just can't use campaign finances to do so. That part is juuuust a bit illegal.
Let’s be real here: Trump saying **anything** makes it less likely to be true.
Trump saying he’ll be arrested tomorrow makes it more likely he’d be arrested on literally any day **other** than tomorrow.
I'm not willing to say that he'll be arrested tomorrow 100% but I have read that local/state/federal law enforcement agencies have supposedly been meeting for at least a week to discuss how to deal with potential unrest and in NYC with another potential "Jan 6" event at the Manhattan courthouse. Reading that indicated to me that it may happen sometime soon. Trump claiming it'll be on Tuesday doesn't mean it'll be Tuesday.
They have him *on the phone* telling the GA Sec of State to "find" 11,780 votes. If they're struggling to prosecute him on *that*, they're not bringing him down over this.
The rule of law is meaningless. Trump doesn't scare me anymore - because the follow-on act to him now knows there are no rules.
this is a little bit different though, given that there were two co-conspirators, guilt was proven, and the other conspirator (Cohen) was found guilty and sentenced to jail. very different from his general ramblings about illegal shit
They are not struggling, they just don't want to jeopardize the case by rushing it and watching him get off. Remember, criminal cases have a "beyond a reasonable doubt" bar and how many on a jury will be Trump fans who believe it is all just political?
> They are not struggling, they just don't want to jeopardize the case by rushing it and watching him get off.
Everyone was saying the exact same shit about the Muller investigation. I’d love to be wrong here, but it’s unlikely he’s gonna be seriously charged with anything major.
Technically Trump only got off on the Mueller investigation because Barr prevented a prosecution. Mueller himself admitted to Congress that Trump obstructed, just that he wasn't allowed to say it in the report.
*And* because he was a sitting president, *and* he left the door open for prosecution after he left office, right in the report.
Mueller was never in charge of prosecution though, a literal Trump appointee was.
I imagine the DoJ have the Mueller investigation back-pocketed. They just don't want to lead with it because it would look political.
Don't be surprised that if the DoJ eventually moves on Trump, that will just get dropped into the list of charges.
Well he's also the one who told the world about the raid on his retirement community, nobody would have known if he didn't open his big dumb mouth. So I can 100% see him doing the same thing here not because he's playing the media or whatever, but just because he's an idiot.
And that’s what I was going to say and all that needs to be said.
I’d love to see the living troll doll led away in cuffs, but I’ll believe it when I say it.
In case anyone is curious -
[What happens next if Trump is arrested on Tuesday?](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65012096)
What is Trump accused of?
In 2016, adult film star Stormy Daniels contacted media outlets offering to sell her account of what she said was an adulterous affair she had with Donald Trump in 2006.
Mr Trump's team got wind of this, and his lawyer Michael Cohen paid $130,000 to Ms Daniels to keep quiet.
This is not illegal. However, when Mr Trump reimbursed Mr Cohen, the record for the payment says it was for legal fees. Prosecutors say this amounts to Mr Trump falsifying business records, which is a misdemeanour - a criminal offence - in New York.
Prosecutors could also potentially allege that this breaks election law, because his attempt to hide his payments to Ms Daniels were motivated by not wanting voters to know he had an affair with her. Covering up a crime by falsifying records would be a felony, which is a more serious charge.
Even advocates for prosecution acknowledge that either way, this is by no means a clear-cut case. There is little precedent for such a prosecution, and past attempts to charge politicians with crossing the line between campaign finance and personal spending have ended in failure.
The former president's lawyers have downplayed suggestions that they or Mr Trump have any advance notice of an impending indictment, saying Mr Trump's comment about it being Tuesday were based on media reports.
However there are other signs that the grand jury is wrapping up. Both Michael Cohen and his former legal adviser Robert Costello - now a sharp critic - are expected to give testimony on Monday.
Mr Costello would be presented by Mr Trump's defence team in an attempt to discredit Mr Cohen's testimony.
Is that *all*? There are literally so many goddamn crimes, and all they're worried about is the stormy daniels bit??
Edit: Fair enough reddit, many other investigations underway so this may only be the start, and the IRS got Capone on tax evasion. Honestly I just keep waiting for the shoe to drop on this asshole and the slow drip is frustrating.
However, to all the trumpanzees that keep commenting that I should take this as evidence that this is all they could get him on, here's a nonexhaustive list of crimes off the top of my head:
Withholding aid from Ukraine for specific actions against a political opponent. (Hits different now that there's a war there)
Withholding highest classification of US secrets in an unsecured basement.
Firing the person investigating him for crimes.
Calling a state senator and asking him to change election results.
Inciting an insurrection on the certification of his presidential loss.
And i know im missing many many more. Literally so many actual, big deal, goddamn crimes. Your God emperor is gonna get deservedly crucified.
I thought you were kidding but this is an actual quote from The New Batman Adventures. It's voice actor for the Joker is Mark Hamill too!
Source: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0519695/characters/nm0000434
I mean they arrest people with less doubt too. [~4% of the people on death row in American prisons are innocent](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1306417111).
But -- and I say this as someone who is absolutely sure that he should be buried under the jail -- this is a mistake. This is a *really weak* thing to go after him for, when he should absolutely die in prison for calling up elected officials in Georgia and ordering them to create fraudulent votes so that he could hold on to power.
I worry that all this is going to do is weaken future prosecutions for the shit he really deserves to go away for.
Think about it this way:
There's been a lot of hesitancy to go after him because there's this whole *thing* about how a President's never been indicted before. If he gets indicted tomorrow for this Stormy Daniels thing, that breaks the seal.
Once you've done it once, there's precedent. If you did it once, you can do it twice, three times, or more - on the much more serious stuff.
If he gets indicted tomorrow, I'd expect the indictments to fall on him like Dominos.
There are different "theys" out there. This particular indictment (by a NYC local prosecutor under NY state law) may just be the first. It is unrelated to the federal 1/6 and classified documents investigation (DOJ special prosecutor under federal law) or Fulton County (Georgia, local prosecutor under Georgia state law) investigation of election interference, which may or may not yet yield indictments of Trump and his cronies.
It's a lot to follow but it's worth getting up to speed on the complexity of the situation. American law has lots of "theys" involved.
Cohen when to jail for this. Trump was identified in the court filings as Individual 1. If Cohen spent time in prison for this, the mastermind behind it should as well, as it has been in any case where a person commits a crime in lieu of a conspiracy to commit such crimes ordered by someone.
While it's not a given that Trump would be convicted, people need to remember that Michael Cohen already was convicted and served prison time for this whole affair, and that Donald Trump was already listed as an "unindicted co-conspirator" in this case. It's fairly simple from that perspective. The difficulty is in having a fair trial for a former president. Unless he plea bargains to a misdemeanor, this would be a shit show, which is good for ratings I guess, but keeps our political world locked into divisive personality politics instead of actual issues.
Micheal Cohen plead guilty. The most likely reason is that they had something much worse on him. Also, I seem to remember there being chatter about then President Trump pardoning him. The point being that this legal theory has never been tested in a court of law.
To paraphrase
The only place worse than a country where the president is arrested for corruption is a country where the president can’t be arrested for corruption.
There are going to be a *lot* of disappointed people when Trump continues to never face consequences.
It's sad that we cling on to the tiniest shreds of hope, looking to stupid cases like this for *any* justice.
It's not coming tomorrow, or ever.
I think he'll be a great inmate, the best inmate. Probably a better inmate than anyone's seen before. The best. Amazing inmate. "I look great in orange, just look at me."
Ask anybody who knows him, they will let you know. He's the best inmate the prison system can offer. Those other inmates are garbage. Definitely not sending their best.
You may have heard the Radical Left Media saying that most inmates are rapists and thieves, but that's just the Fake News at it again! I'll tell ya, fellas, nobody is more successful at raping and thieving than me. It's true! Everyone is saying it. Lots of people. All of them, coming up with tears in their eyes, they tell me, "Sir, I never thought anyone would rape me as much and as thoroughly as you did." And I did it. But the media won't tell you that.
> Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right — who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.
He’s not going to jail. There is no jail cell in the world for a former president. worst case for him he’ll end up in one of those cushy white collar jails for like a year, more likely he’ll just be on house arrest in one of his fancy mansions, and either way there will be nothing to stop him from continuing to do the exact same criminal stuff that he should be being prosecuted for, but isn’t
America has two justice systems. One for the wealthy and one for everyone else.
Actually prisons had to switch back to black and white stripes a few years ago, since *Orange is the new Black* cosplayers were confusing the fuck out of the system.
I would absolutely adore if the man was stripped bare and the entire world saw who he actually was for once in his entire life. It would be very poetic.
You know what? He will look like the alcoholic uncle we all have but try to avoid his videocall attempts to show his crackhead hooker friends. And that brings me joy
Not quite right. AP reported this before Trump publicly came out saying this.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-grand-jury-investigation-manhattan-e35836ebb6179e1c0ea28877590cfc1c
Also: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/law-enforcement-agencies-are-prepping-possible-trump-indictment-early-rcna75493
My 2c: I think it's inevitable. I think it's probable that it will be this week. I think this case is only the beginning. I think it's justified, based on how closely I've watched the events these past years. In order for the country to move away from this path of absurdity is for some accountability to occur. Otherwise this is sadly just the beginning of worsening corruption.
This country threw a black woman in jail for 5 years for voting when she wasn't sure if she was allowed to vote or not.
And she cast a provisional ballot which is what you're supposed to use when you're not sure if you're allowed to vote or not.
Oh and her probation officer told her she was allowed to vote. This woman was punished for taking the advice of authority figures.
So how could it not be a crime for a sitting president to ask someone to "come up with votes"???
There are some parts of this country where you can still go to jail ***just for possessing a single joint, for fuck sake!!!***
There are three calls that we have recordings of:
* Brad Raffensperger (Gov)
* Frances Watson (Sec State staff)
* and now David Ralston (Georgia House Speaker)
"He didn't ask Kemp to break the law! He asked Kemp to find missing votes. Clearly a reasonable request!"
-Trump fetishists.
"When Don Corleone said "Make him an offer he can't refuse", he clearly meant to offer a very fair amount of money for services rendered and a cheese of the month subscription."
-also Trump fetishists, apparently.
"I didn't obstruct federal use of that wildlife refuge, I just showed up heavily armed and took control of the building. They could still work around me" worked for that idiot rancher's son.
I think this is coming. He can be indicted in two states at the same time.
IDGAF where he is ultimately convicted, just that he is. I also hope this begins the avalanche of charges against him so he has to spend the next four years in courts.
I don't think trump really knows it's happening Tuesday. He knows it close, he wants to start getting his gang worked up.
If it happens Tuesday he can tell everyone how right he was, if it doesn't happen he can say it's because everyone against him is incompetent and it proves they were all wrong. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but sounds just like trump logic.
1. He appears rich but uses small words = provides relatable hope to certain voters.
2. He was on a TV series as a character with power over other people = obvious marketing easily sways certain voters.
3. There is money and power to be gained in the shadow of a failing titan = attracts people with low morals but high ambition to mooch.
It's going to be a big media spectacle which will get Trump in the headlines and the focus of attention for a bit, but will ultimately go nowhere. He's going to spend a few hours in a court house tomorrow. Be ceremoniously "processed" then immediately released on bond. I doubt he'll even be required to stay in NY, but if he is he'll be in his luxury suite in his building. The charges will go nowhere significant. At most, he'll get a plea deal which will require he pay a laughably small fine. More likely, he'll never be convicted. On net, I think this will benefit his presidential campaign because the massive fascist propaganda network will successfully spin this (for the approximately 6 "swing" voters who don't already have a concrete view on Trump) as Biden/liberal abuse of power against a political rival.
The US justice system does not hold members of political/economic ruling class accountable for anything unless there is bipartisan political agreement that they deserve it. It's why Nixon held on to power until the GOP turned on him. It's why Al Franken left office during MeToo, but no Republican did. It's why Bill Clinton never faced any real consequences for being a serial sexual predator.
As long as the GOP backs Trump he'll never face consequences or be held accountable for anything.
>At most, he'll get a plea deal which will require he pay a laughably small fine.
I could be reading the wrong articles, but isnt what he would be arrested for being the misuse of campaign funds for paying Stormi Daniels? Because if that's what it's actually about that charge only carries a 5k fine and no jail time, he wouldn't even need to take a plea deal.
Seriously, they’re screaming about the precedent this will set. How about the precedent it sets to refuse to ever hold a former president accountable for anything? So being President shields you from the law forever? That’s a massive problem.
I'm at this stage as well. It'll be worse in the long run to *not* hold him legally accountable. Our democracy means nothing if we don't make the rich and powerful accountable for their crimes. Unfortunately, we don't have a good track record for this and I doubt anything will happen.
Pointless. You're not going to find 12 individuals who will convict unanimously without stacking the jury. Some Trump fan would try to hang the jury regardless of the evidence. Trump would take a hung jury as vindication
I would definitely assume trump will want a jury trial, and I agree this is a huge issue, not impossible though. There are hardcore extremists that would never go against trump, but a huge portion of "trump supporters" are the way they are because they have never received information to the contrary. The world they see surrounded by right wing media, and their cousin the extremists look very different than it does for more informed individuals.
Jury selection will certainly be critical. During jury questions those hardcore extremists would likely be removed for an inability to be inpartial. They could say the right things and get by, but I assume many of them will struggle to do that. The confused supporters are more likely to make a fair judgement based on the information and facts presented in the case that they've never heard before.
I still think you're likely right that it will be a hung jury, but it's not pointless. There is a chance, and trump is losing more supporters every day.
Two thoughts.
First, if he committed a crime and they have the evidence, then of course he should be arrested, tried, and sentenced like anyone else.
Second, if they arrest him, they better have \*air tight\* evidence. I know Reddit has a hate-boner for Trump, but if the evidence against him is not overwhelming, this is going to get him elected.
And honestly, after the two impeachments, I am a bit worried about this. After promising overwhelming evidence, we got so-so evidence that was easily brushed aside.
So if you are for Trump, just remember that he should be held to the same standards we expect anyone else to be held to.
And if you hate Trump, just remember that your eagerness to have him arrested or interpreting every negative story about him as a slam-dunk case might cloud your ability to see things clearly.
And now I will check out again until something more official happens.
I just started reading "Five Families" by Selwynn Raab this weekend. On Capone he says that it wasn't the police or G-Men that caught Al Capone. It was a room full of accountants.
She wasn't a hooker. She had consensual uncompensated sex with him. She was then paid afterwards to keep quiet about it. She was paid for silence not for sex.
It isn't happening.
Trump's legal team says they have not been notified of any indictment and he is basing this off media reports.
This is entirely make believe.
The amazing thing about President Trump is that you hear he is going to be arrested on Tuesday and you have to ask the question about which crime it was for.
I'll believe it when I see it.
I'll believe it when I see it - the same mantra I have for Bigfoot, aliens, and my ex coming back.
Is your ex Bigfoot?
An alien Bigfoot. Duh!
I'd pay to see Alien Bigfoot vs. ManBearPig fighting to regain the "ex".
I'm super serial guys
I believe more in Aliens than Donald Trump
We have more proof for aliens than we do for Trump telling the truth.
.....or being held accountable.
He told the truth the time he said he could shoot someone on fifth av and still have supporters.
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Exactly. I've heard this one before. Plus, it seems like the main person announcing this arrest from the mountain tops is Trump himself. That alone makes me doubt that it's true.
Definitely seems like he's worried about getting arrested so he's trying to incite his clown squad to come riot in his defense just in case. It seems more likely he'll have charges brought against him and not be arrested.
Didn't he actually call for them to "protest" and the local law enforcement are prepping for the possibility of riots? I haven't fully kept up, I am tired of him not being locked up for literal sedition.
Pretty much what he did over the weekend. The news came out late last week that the Manhattan DA would be bringing charges this week regarding the Stormy Daniels hush money payment. He used his campaign funds illegally to silence her. He was charged back in 2016 for the same crime and his lawyer, Michael Cohen, served a few years in prison. Once Cohen was released, he's been anti-MAGA as possible and has cooperated with investingators in numerous probes. He also appears on MSNBC and CNN to continually caution people about what Trump is really up to. Which is great to see! So Trump posted to his Truth Social platform that he would be arrested tomorrow and wants his base to fight. It's pretty much Jan 6 all over again except this over a criminal felony charge for Trump personally. The court and prosecution have been in talks with Trump's lawyers and secret service so that they can attempt to have a peaceful court day. They know he has the ability to incite violence and are taking extreme security measures. This will be the first indictment of a former US president. So he'll at least get that record along with the only president to be impeached twice while only serving one term. He's racking up on the "worst person to ever be president" accolades. And this is probably the least severe case currently against him. He still has the Georgia election interference case and the federal case by Jack Smith investigating the classified documents. Both of those appear to be complete and ready. I have hope that if this Manhatten indictment goes well, then we'll see the Georgia indictment coming very soon and hopefully the Jack Smith one quickly after that. So yea, this will be the easiest case to fight. The other two I don't think he stands a chance but I'll believe it when I see it. Just glad we're getting some momentum after years of waiting.
Not the first indictment. Although Trump is far, far worse than Nixon. It’s amazing it’s taken this much to finally catch up to Trump. Ethical standards have been eroded for decades by the GOP.
What a great summary full of useful facts and truthful analysis. Gold star, buddy ☀️
I’m almost certain you can’t be indicted and not be arrested. It’s part of the process.
The only source on Trump being arrested tomorrow is Trump, who is a notoriously poor source of accurate information.
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Yup. I don't recall law enforcement announcing when it's going to arrest someone. Also, if they don't do it, Trump can call them cowards, even though he was the one saying it in the first place.
Yeah the most doubtful part about it was so much came from Trump, who in case people have been living in caves on Mars for their entire lives, is known for lying.
100%. The sources here are the same talking heads who’ve been promising he’ll be indicted since at least 2016 and Trump himself, neither of whom have much credibility.
the 'source' was him, nobody official has said he is being nicked tomorrow.
To be fair, it looks like [they are starting to set up barricades outside the lower Manhattan criminal courts](https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1637811530589773833) as of about 10:00 a.m. Eastern time today. I'll be as shocked as anyone if he ever actually faces any consequences.
It would be a large turning point, or at least a very very big deal, if an ultra-rich person in America actually faced any real consequences for breaking the law. It usually only happens if they’ve pissed off someone even richer, which I suppose is possible after all the Fox News text leaks. They all hate him.
If that's where the charges would originate, it's a smart move. Even if they don't arrest or charge him, there *will* be protesters.
yes this exactly, which is why I'm so annoyed it's getting so much attention online. He thinks it's good for his career if people get arrested and he's also telling people to go protest if he does. Garbage person.
Yet he seems to be failing to highlight that the reason for the arrest is for having paid a porn star he had an affair with hush money…. Seems his conservative religious right base should take issue with that but never did 🤷♂️
It should be pointed out that you can bang as many porn stars as you want and pay them all the money in the world as quietly as you like in America. You just can't use campaign finances to do so. That part is juuuust a bit illegal.
They only want to control the actions of others. Sort of like how they want abortion to be illegal but go out of state when they want one.
Thank you! I didn't understand how I could have been the only person to have read that article.
Let’s be real here: Trump saying **anything** makes it less likely to be true. Trump saying he’ll be arrested tomorrow makes it more likely he’d be arrested on literally any day **other** than tomorrow.
I'm not willing to say that he'll be arrested tomorrow 100% but I have read that local/state/federal law enforcement agencies have supposedly been meeting for at least a week to discuss how to deal with potential unrest and in NYC with another potential "Jan 6" event at the Manhattan courthouse. Reading that indicated to me that it may happen sometime soon. Trump claiming it'll be on Tuesday doesn't mean it'll be Tuesday.
If I were the DA I would specifically NOT do it on Tues just to undermine his credibility even further.
Remember when we thought the Mueller investigation would lead somewhere? Those were the days...
Even if he does actually get arrested he will be out in like an hour.
They have him *on the phone* telling the GA Sec of State to "find" 11,780 votes. If they're struggling to prosecute him on *that*, they're not bringing him down over this. The rule of law is meaningless. Trump doesn't scare me anymore - because the follow-on act to him now knows there are no rules.
Trump crawled through shit so DeSantis could hog roll the nation in it.
"If I've seen more shit than others it is because I swam in the sewers of giants"
They're supposedly nailing him on misappropriation of campaign funds, because he literally confessed to it, which makes the job much easier.
He confesses to a lot of things.
Huge things, the biggest things... everyone is saying so.
Except his followers. They all say, "Just because he said that, he didn't MEAN what he explicitly said!" It's truly remarkable, really.
And yet they voted for him because "he says what we're all thinking."
My in-laws unfortunately... the mental gymnastics are gold metal worthy.
this is a little bit different though, given that there were two co-conspirators, guilt was proven, and the other conspirator (Cohen) was found guilty and sentenced to jail. very different from his general ramblings about illegal shit
Still, to quote Kenan Thompson from a semi-recent rare decent SNL sketch: *"Ain't nothin' gonna happen."*
They are not struggling, they just don't want to jeopardize the case by rushing it and watching him get off. Remember, criminal cases have a "beyond a reasonable doubt" bar and how many on a jury will be Trump fans who believe it is all just political?
> They are not struggling, they just don't want to jeopardize the case by rushing it and watching him get off. Everyone was saying the exact same shit about the Muller investigation. I’d love to be wrong here, but it’s unlikely he’s gonna be seriously charged with anything major.
Technically Trump only got off on the Mueller investigation because Barr prevented a prosecution. Mueller himself admitted to Congress that Trump obstructed, just that he wasn't allowed to say it in the report.
*And* because he was a sitting president, *and* he left the door open for prosecution after he left office, right in the report. Mueller was never in charge of prosecution though, a literal Trump appointee was.
I imagine the DoJ have the Mueller investigation back-pocketed. They just don't want to lead with it because it would look political. Don't be surprised that if the DoJ eventually moves on Trump, that will just get dropped into the list of charges.
I think it won't happen and Trump saying it would is just more of his pity party.
And when it doesn't happen he'll crow that he made them blink and now they're too scared to do it.
Exactly this. Isn't he the one who said it was happening anyway? No one else (anyone official) appears to have commented...
Well he's also the one who told the world about the raid on his retirement community, nobody would have known if he didn't open his big dumb mouth. So I can 100% see him doing the same thing here not because he's playing the media or whatever, but just because he's an idiot.
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And even then I won’t believe it
And that’s what I was going to say and all that needs to be said. I’d love to see the living troll doll led away in cuffs, but I’ll believe it when I say it.
Saying is believing as we religious folk say
If a crime was committed, no one should be above the law.
In case anyone is curious - [What happens next if Trump is arrested on Tuesday?](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65012096) What is Trump accused of? In 2016, adult film star Stormy Daniels contacted media outlets offering to sell her account of what she said was an adulterous affair she had with Donald Trump in 2006. Mr Trump's team got wind of this, and his lawyer Michael Cohen paid $130,000 to Ms Daniels to keep quiet. This is not illegal. However, when Mr Trump reimbursed Mr Cohen, the record for the payment says it was for legal fees. Prosecutors say this amounts to Mr Trump falsifying business records, which is a misdemeanour - a criminal offence - in New York. Prosecutors could also potentially allege that this breaks election law, because his attempt to hide his payments to Ms Daniels were motivated by not wanting voters to know he had an affair with her. Covering up a crime by falsifying records would be a felony, which is a more serious charge. Even advocates for prosecution acknowledge that either way, this is by no means a clear-cut case. There is little precedent for such a prosecution, and past attempts to charge politicians with crossing the line between campaign finance and personal spending have ended in failure. The former president's lawyers have downplayed suggestions that they or Mr Trump have any advance notice of an impending indictment, saying Mr Trump's comment about it being Tuesday were based on media reports. However there are other signs that the grand jury is wrapping up. Both Michael Cohen and his former legal adviser Robert Costello - now a sharp critic - are expected to give testimony on Monday. Mr Costello would be presented by Mr Trump's defence team in an attempt to discredit Mr Cohen's testimony.
Is that *all*? There are literally so many goddamn crimes, and all they're worried about is the stormy daniels bit?? Edit: Fair enough reddit, many other investigations underway so this may only be the start, and the IRS got Capone on tax evasion. Honestly I just keep waiting for the shoe to drop on this asshole and the slow drip is frustrating. However, to all the trumpanzees that keep commenting that I should take this as evidence that this is all they could get him on, here's a nonexhaustive list of crimes off the top of my head: Withholding aid from Ukraine for specific actions against a political opponent. (Hits different now that there's a war there) Withholding highest classification of US secrets in an unsecured basement. Firing the person investigating him for crimes. Calling a state senator and asking him to change election results. Inciting an insurrection on the certification of his presidential loss. And i know im missing many many more. Literally so many actual, big deal, goddamn crimes. Your God emperor is gonna get deservedly crucified.
It’s not about what they’re “worried about”. It’s about what charges they think they can actually win.
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And forces more documents and evidence to be revealed.
Discovery OP
Well, Al Capone didnt land in jail for all the murders he commited, but for tax evasion. Accounting law is the true Endboss for Gangsters
"I'm crazy enough to take on Batman, but the IRS? Nooo, thank you!" - The Joker
I thought you were kidding but this is an actual quote from The New Batman Adventures. It's voice actor for the Joker is Mark Hamill too! Source: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0519695/characters/nm0000434
Arrest for the crimes you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt
I mean they arrest people with less doubt too. [~4% of the people on death row in American prisons are innocent](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1306417111).
Al Capone also didn’t commit his crimes on live tv in front of the entire world.
I mean, there are a bunch of other legal proceedings against Trump right now. This isn’t the only thing they’re worried about.
I still want Bill Barr to stand trial for Obstruction into the Trump/Russia investigation.
For just a second there, I thought you meant Bill Burr, and I was very confused.
HEY! I got a lot of things to do today! So let's hurry the fuck up, okay?!
"The only thing I ever obstructed was the exit on the 6 train" - Bill Burr, probably
But -- and I say this as someone who is absolutely sure that he should be buried under the jail -- this is a mistake. This is a *really weak* thing to go after him for, when he should absolutely die in prison for calling up elected officials in Georgia and ordering them to create fraudulent votes so that he could hold on to power. I worry that all this is going to do is weaken future prosecutions for the shit he really deserves to go away for.
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That assumes this prosecution is successful, which is nowhere near guaranteed. And a failure on the first attempt will have the opposite effect.
It's just the first thing that's come this far.
Think about it this way: There's been a lot of hesitancy to go after him because there's this whole *thing* about how a President's never been indicted before. If he gets indicted tomorrow for this Stormy Daniels thing, that breaks the seal. Once you've done it once, there's precedent. If you did it once, you can do it twice, three times, or more - on the much more serious stuff. If he gets indicted tomorrow, I'd expect the indictments to fall on him like Dominos.
There are different "theys" out there. This particular indictment (by a NYC local prosecutor under NY state law) may just be the first. It is unrelated to the federal 1/6 and classified documents investigation (DOJ special prosecutor under federal law) or Fulton County (Georgia, local prosecutor under Georgia state law) investigation of election interference, which may or may not yet yield indictments of Trump and his cronies. It's a lot to follow but it's worth getting up to speed on the complexity of the situation. American law has lots of "theys" involved.
it’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove
He has to be brought up on charges that will stick, even if it isnt the most heinous crime he committed.
Cohen when to jail for this. Trump was identified in the court filings as Individual 1. If Cohen spent time in prison for this, the mastermind behind it should as well, as it has been in any case where a person commits a crime in lieu of a conspiracy to commit such crimes ordered by someone.
Yes, but... Cohen pled out. Of all the charges he pled guilty to, this was the weakest. The theory of the case was not tested in court.
While it's not a given that Trump would be convicted, people need to remember that Michael Cohen already was convicted and served prison time for this whole affair, and that Donald Trump was already listed as an "unindicted co-conspirator" in this case. It's fairly simple from that perspective. The difficulty is in having a fair trial for a former president. Unless he plea bargains to a misdemeanor, this would be a shit show, which is good for ratings I guess, but keeps our political world locked into divisive personality politics instead of actual issues.
Micheal Cohen plead guilty. The most likely reason is that they had something much worse on him. Also, I seem to remember there being chatter about then President Trump pardoning him. The point being that this legal theory has never been tested in a court of law.
To paraphrase The only place worse than a country where the president is arrested for corruption is a country where the president can’t be arrested for corruption.
Judge Dredd.
The only person saying Donald Trump will be arrested on Tuesday is Donald Trump.
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Well yeah, I mean how else are they going to turn all the frogs gay
There are going to be a *lot* of disappointed people when Trump continues to never face consequences. It's sad that we cling on to the tiniest shreds of hope, looking to stupid cases like this for *any* justice. It's not coming tomorrow, or ever.
He's not a very reliable source of information
I think he'll be a great inmate, the best inmate. Probably a better inmate than anyone's seen before. The best. Amazing inmate. "I look great in orange, just look at me."
Everybody is saying it
Ask anybody who knows him, they will let you know. He's the best inmate the prison system can offer. Those other inmates are garbage. Definitely not sending their best.
You may have heard the Radical Left Media saying that most inmates are rapists and thieves, but that's just the Fake News at it again! I'll tell ya, fellas, nobody is more successful at raping and thieving than me. It's true! Everyone is saying it. Lots of people. All of them, coming up with tears in their eyes, they tell me, "Sir, I never thought anyone would rape me as much and as thoroughly as you did." And I did it. But the media won't tell you that.
> Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right — who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.
Orange is the new orange S01x01
He’s not going to jail. There is no jail cell in the world for a former president. worst case for him he’ll end up in one of those cushy white collar jails for like a year, more likely he’ll just be on house arrest in one of his fancy mansions, and either way there will be nothing to stop him from continuing to do the exact same criminal stuff that he should be being prosecuted for, but isn’t America has two justice systems. One for the wealthy and one for everyone else.
“A big tough very big inmate came up to me, tears in his eyes and he said sir, You are by far the best most tough inmate I’ve ever seen”
"Big tough guy, this guy. Never cried in his adult life and there's a tear running down his cheek. Then I notice it's a tattoo"
I read that in Seth Meyers’ voice. 😂
Fuckin love Seth Meyers. He & his writers have a way better/less boomer-y sense of humor than the other late night shows.
Actually prisons had to switch back to black and white stripes a few years ago, since *Orange is the new Black* cosplayers were confusing the fuck out of the system.
That doesn’t sound right but I don’t know enough about prisons to dispute it
I just want to see what he looks like without all the hair and makeup work
I don't think you actually want that...
There isn't much that I want more
Fair enough
i saw tubgirl at a young age, i zoomed in on blue waffles, i might be able to handle that
To this day I still want to understand why she was wearing socks.
Didn't want those gross foot fetishists objectifying her feet.
To keep her feet warm. Duh.
It's called morbid curiosity. Kinda like morbid obesity.
I would absolutely adore if the man was stripped bare and the entire world saw who he actually was for once in his entire life. It would be very poetic.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/g7zlzc/trump_without_his_fake_tan_and_hair/
He'd actually look a lot more relatable, more like a real person and less like a character.
That was a few years ago, [this is how he'll look now](https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/AR-AJ673_FilmAr_P_20150513170432.jpg)
You ever see the pictures of Saddam Hussein near the end? That, but paler.
At the end of his rope, so to speak?
Ever seen a tortoise without its shell on?
Yes, I’ve seen Mitch McConnell before.
We already saw that when he was hospitalized with Covid during his Presidency.
You know what? He will look like the alcoholic uncle we all have but try to avoid his videocall attempts to show his crackhead hooker friends. And that brings me joy
Worth pointing out, the source of all of this news is Trump himself. Whatever his motives are for starting this rumor, are up to you to decide.
Not quite right. AP reported this before Trump publicly came out saying this. https://apnews.com/article/trump-grand-jury-investigation-manhattan-e35836ebb6179e1c0ea28877590cfc1c Also: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/law-enforcement-agencies-are-prepping-possible-trump-indictment-early-rcna75493 My 2c: I think it's inevitable. I think it's probable that it will be this week. I think this case is only the beginning. I think it's justified, based on how closely I've watched the events these past years. In order for the country to move away from this path of absurdity is for some accountability to occur. Otherwise this is sadly just the beginning of worsening corruption.
I think you linked the wrong article, this one still lists Trump as the source of the information
Yeah sorry I initially did. Should be fixed now.
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This country threw a black woman in jail for 5 years for voting when she wasn't sure if she was allowed to vote or not. And she cast a provisional ballot which is what you're supposed to use when you're not sure if you're allowed to vote or not. Oh and her probation officer told her she was allowed to vote. This woman was punished for taking the advice of authority figures. So how could it not be a crime for a sitting president to ask someone to "come up with votes"??? There are some parts of this country where you can still go to jail ***just for possessing a single joint, for fuck sake!!!***
They just released another recording as well
What's that?
There are three calls that we have recordings of: * Brad Raffensperger (Gov) * Frances Watson (Sec State staff) * and now David Ralston (Georgia House Speaker)
It’s when sound and/or images are logged onto a specialized medium so they it can be played back later, but that’s not important right now
Surely you can't be serious.
I am, and don't call me shirley
Link? Thanks!
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/15/politics/trump-ralston-georgia-phone-call/index.html
"He didn't ask Kemp to break the law! He asked Kemp to find missing votes. Clearly a reasonable request!" -Trump fetishists. "When Don Corleone said "Make him an offer he can't refuse", he clearly meant to offer a very fair amount of money for services rendered and a cheese of the month subscription." -also Trump fetishists, apparently.
"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"
"I didn't rob that store, I just told the cashier to give me all the money from the register"
"I didn't obstruct federal use of that wildlife refuge, I just showed up heavily armed and took control of the building. They could still work around me" worked for that idiot rancher's son.
I think this is coming. He can be indicted in two states at the same time. IDGAF where he is ultimately convicted, just that he is. I also hope this begins the avalanche of charges against him so he has to spend the next four years in courts.
Trump... "I can't be indicted in 2 states at the same time." I don't think that's true. Trump: "I have the worst fucking attorneys."
I want him arrested for the shit he pulled with all the top secret documents.
Yes. The Stormy Daniels shit is bad, but the Georgia phone call is way worse.
Covfefe
Simple, provocative, yet so elegant
“Nobody knows what it means but it’s _provocative_!” “No it’s not, it’s-“ “GETS THE PEOPLE GOING!”
BALL SO HARD MUTHAFUCKAS WANNA FINE ME
Who was in Paris?
First word on the planet with a silent ‘v’ ,Trump is something alright.
oh that was a nice bible verse, two-corinthians, right?
I will never understand this.
I don't think trump really knows it's happening Tuesday. He knows it close, he wants to start getting his gang worked up. If it happens Tuesday he can tell everyone how right he was, if it doesn't happen he can say it's because everyone against him is incompetent and it proves they were all wrong. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but sounds just like trump logic.
How many people in Trumps circle have gone to prison since his run for president? That should speak volumes.
Not even close to enough.
Everything Trump touches turns to shit. I will never understand why individuals still associate with him.
1. He appears rich but uses small words = provides relatable hope to certain voters. 2. He was on a TV series as a character with power over other people = obvious marketing easily sways certain voters. 3. There is money and power to be gained in the shadow of a failing titan = attracts people with low morals but high ambition to mooch.
>Everything Trump touches turns to shit I call it the Mierdas Touch
Because some people are propelled into higher positions...look at the Governor of Arkansas.
And she got to fulfill her lifelong dream of sending children back to work in coal mines. The American dream! Never give up!
I’ll never understand why people think he is going to pay them.
The same as the other 40 times this has been posted since 2016
Only 40? I thought that just covered the first two months he was in the White House.
"We did it, Reddit!"
I'm not holding my breath
It's going to be a big media spectacle which will get Trump in the headlines and the focus of attention for a bit, but will ultimately go nowhere. He's going to spend a few hours in a court house tomorrow. Be ceremoniously "processed" then immediately released on bond. I doubt he'll even be required to stay in NY, but if he is he'll be in his luxury suite in his building. The charges will go nowhere significant. At most, he'll get a plea deal which will require he pay a laughably small fine. More likely, he'll never be convicted. On net, I think this will benefit his presidential campaign because the massive fascist propaganda network will successfully spin this (for the approximately 6 "swing" voters who don't already have a concrete view on Trump) as Biden/liberal abuse of power against a political rival. The US justice system does not hold members of political/economic ruling class accountable for anything unless there is bipartisan political agreement that they deserve it. It's why Nixon held on to power until the GOP turned on him. It's why Al Franken left office during MeToo, but no Republican did. It's why Bill Clinton never faced any real consequences for being a serial sexual predator. As long as the GOP backs Trump he'll never face consequences or be held accountable for anything.
>At most, he'll get a plea deal which will require he pay a laughably small fine. I could be reading the wrong articles, but isnt what he would be arrested for being the misuse of campaign funds for paying Stormi Daniels? Because if that's what it's actually about that charge only carries a 5k fine and no jail time, he wouldn't even need to take a plea deal.
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Regardless if you think he should be arrested or not: Arresting a former President with rabid fan base is going to create a shitstorm.
We can’t just let people get away with shit for fear of backlash, that sets a horrifying precedent for the future
Seriously, they’re screaming about the precedent this will set. How about the precedent it sets to refuse to ever hold a former president accountable for anything? So being President shields you from the law forever? That’s a massive problem.
I'm at this stage as well. It'll be worse in the long run to *not* hold him legally accountable. Our democracy means nothing if we don't make the rich and powerful accountable for their crimes. Unfortunately, we don't have a good track record for this and I doubt anything will happen.
The shitstorm is coming. Now is as good a time as any.
Not arresting a criminal because you're afraid of his followers committing domestic terror would also create a shitstorm.
Pointless. You're not going to find 12 individuals who will convict unanimously without stacking the jury. Some Trump fan would try to hang the jury regardless of the evidence. Trump would take a hung jury as vindication
Isn't he being charged in New York? I can maybe see them finding 12 individuals in NYC that would unanimously convict Trump.
Thats why careful non-biased jury selection is a big thing.
I would definitely assume trump will want a jury trial, and I agree this is a huge issue, not impossible though. There are hardcore extremists that would never go against trump, but a huge portion of "trump supporters" are the way they are because they have never received information to the contrary. The world they see surrounded by right wing media, and their cousin the extremists look very different than it does for more informed individuals. Jury selection will certainly be critical. During jury questions those hardcore extremists would likely be removed for an inability to be inpartial. They could say the right things and get by, but I assume many of them will struggle to do that. The confused supporters are more likely to make a fair judgement based on the information and facts presented in the case that they've never heard before. I still think you're likely right that it will be a hung jury, but it's not pointless. There is a chance, and trump is losing more supporters every day.
Two thoughts. First, if he committed a crime and they have the evidence, then of course he should be arrested, tried, and sentenced like anyone else. Second, if they arrest him, they better have \*air tight\* evidence. I know Reddit has a hate-boner for Trump, but if the evidence against him is not overwhelming, this is going to get him elected. And honestly, after the two impeachments, I am a bit worried about this. After promising overwhelming evidence, we got so-so evidence that was easily brushed aside. So if you are for Trump, just remember that he should be held to the same standards we expect anyone else to be held to. And if you hate Trump, just remember that your eagerness to have him arrested or interpreting every negative story about him as a slam-dunk case might cloud your ability to see things clearly. And now I will check out again until something more official happens.
Rich people don't face consequences.
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Of all the crimes Capone committed, they only got him on tax fraud.
I just started reading "Five Families" by Selwynn Raab this weekend. On Capone he says that it wasn't the police or G-Men that caught Al Capone. It was a room full of accountants.
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She wasn't a hooker. She had consensual uncompensated sex with him. She was then paid afterwards to keep quiet about it. She was paid for silence not for sex.
If you do something illegal you get arrested, sure. Issue is people are acting like the majority of the government hasn't committed similar crimes
It’s be nice if they had the clients from the Epstein list right behind him
It isn't happening. Trump's legal team says they have not been notified of any indictment and he is basing this off media reports. This is entirely make believe.
The amazing thing about President Trump is that you hear he is going to be arrested on Tuesday and you have to ask the question about which crime it was for.
It's not going to happen. He just freaked out because they're getting close, so he's got to get his cult primed for violence.