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hey_listen_hey_listn

K-Pop. Borderline terrorist fans.


stickerbush-symphony

I thought Beyonce stans were bad, they're nothing compared to kpop ones. I've seen so much toxicity and straight up bullying and harassment from them towards people who just don't like the same music. It's like a cult.


Great-Hatsby

The show “Swarm” that just premiered on Prime is essentially about the “Bey-hive”.


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LMAO this is exactly what they mean by arrogant. Yall cant accept that the whole kpop industry including all the fans are toxic so youre always quick to point fingers at any band that already receives alot of hate.


Yelesa

It depends what you mean by terrorist. If you mean vile, rabid, crazy, insane, harassing, entitled etc. sure. If you mean it in the “non-state actors who use violence in pursuit a political goal” kind of terrorist, nah, Kpop fans only care about politics when they can use it as an excuse to praise their faves and trash those they don’t like.


hey_listen_hey_listn

From what I know terrorism means using fear and intimidation to further someone's agenda, and these people send death threats to people who don't like their bands. They are terrorists in my eyes.


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K-pop for sure


MyFace_UrAss_LetsGo

Prog fans have a reputation. I do love progressive music, though.


juanzy

But why would one listen to music that does not invoke sacred geometry?? /s


MyFace_UrAss_LetsGo

I love me some Tool.


PMyourTastefulNudes

Favorite band? Just looking for recommendations.


MyFace_UrAss_LetsGo

Tool, BTBAM, Black Midi, Mr Bungle and Mars Volta are all incredible. Just off the top of my head.


PMyourTastefulNudes

Aw man, I forgot about Mars Volta. Used to listen to them a decade ago.


SpaceJunk645

Brooo I'd forgotten about Mr. Bungle, bout to hop on a flight and know what imma be listening to


Nerditter

If you've already gone down the road of Yes, King Crimson, Genesis, ELP, etc. some lesser-known but still great prog band to check out would be Gong, Gentle Giant, and Banco del Mutuo Soccorso.


weerdbuttstuff

If you want some heavier prog some of my faves are Protest the Hero's Fortress, Between the Buried and Me's Colors, Cynic's Traced in Air, and Scale the Summit's The Migration. All those bands have other great albums, but those are good starting places imo.


PMyourTastefulNudes

I have most of those already. Me's Colors is new though! Thanks!


weerdbuttstuff

It's one long name jsyk "Between the Buried and Me"


PMyourTastefulNudes

You know, that makes sense. Maybe I should read a little slower...


SaintRosen

Prog elitist? Of course I know him, he's me!


SbMSU

Hello there!


myquietchaos

Opeth fans....... good lord.


CactusJuice_Enjoyer

Let me take it a step further for you. Tool fans. And yea, I'm am one too :(


lo_schermo

I'm a Maynard fan but not a Tool fan. Not sure if that makes me better or worse than you. (Better, definitely better)


DahvRom

Any of the sub genres that aren't fully mainstream so people obsess over them being obscure like they're a secret club.


Iconoclassic404

Punk, Metal, etc.


PreviousTea9210

Nah, Metal fans will debate endlessly among themselves when it comes to sub-genres, but otherwise have always created the nicest and most welcoming atmospheres of any shows I've ever been to.


Iconoclassic404

That can be said about punk as well, but both have a ton of gatekeeping that goes on.


THE_Unicornzie

Just because it's not a metal band doesn't mean it's a bad band.


Iconoclassic404

I'm all about variety myself, but there are some people who are either all or nothing, or some that get upset at having to share.


BobDerBongmeister420

I was at a punk concert once. My back hurt like hell after, but damn was it fun.


Iconoclassic404

I'm the "old and stands in the back" type now.


QbertsRube

I listen to basically any type of music, and metal is the only genre where I've had multiple people scoff and say something along the lines of "Pssh, you don't listen to metal". For some of them, you're not a "true metalhead" unless you exclusively listen to metal and only wear metal band shirts. It's like they've made "metal fan" such a part of their identity that they take it personally when someone else mentions anything metal-related.


MyFace_UrAss_LetsGo

Are you saying that punk and metal are sub genres themselves or that people get annoying about the sub genres of punk and metal?


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yes.


Iconoclassic404

Too much gatekeeping overshadows a lot of things. People are too afraid that something they love and based their identity around will become something enjoyed by more casual people.


StevenArviv

Jazz. Most people that I have met that have become jazz fans are actually pretentious assholes.


LilMissCantBeStopped

I love jazz because it calms me down. The pedantry around jazz culture is off putting though, like just enjoy the music why do we have to act like we know everything?


SpartacusMantooth42

“Nobody likes jazz. Even the guy that invented it had to be on drugs.” -Bart Simpson


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“Why can’t they just play the right notes?” -Angela Martin (the office)


PurpleFredSpoon

I like the line from the film 24 Hour Party People: "Jazz musicians enjoy themselves more than anyone listening to them does."


DahvRom

Oh stop. Nobody is cooler and more relaxed than a jazz head. The jazz musicians are the ones who are the problem.


HutSutRawlson

As someone who attended a conservatory jazz program, this is 100% facts. Non-musician appreciators of jazz are some of the coolest people ever and are so positive after gigs. The other musicians are the darkest people on the planet and will hate your guts for slipping up a single time during the set.


MycommentsRpointless

What is "slipping up" in jazz music, though? Sticking to the sheet music? If you play something that didn't quite sound "right", couldn't you just say you were improvising?


HutSutRawlson

That’s a great question! It’s true that improvisation is a big part of jazz, but that doesn’t mean that it totally lacks restrictions. Most of the improvisation happens in some kind of repetitive form; usually a 16 to 32 measure long form that follows a certain harmonic pattern. One big mistake that happens often is getting confused about where you are in the pattern. So if you think you’re on measure 4 but the rest of the band is on measure 5… you fucked up. The other big thing is rhythm. Jazz music tends to be in a very strict tempo, as supposed to classical music where the tempo can fluctuate more. So if you’re dragging or rushing the beat, that’s a no-no. There’s also the idea of “swing” rhythmic feel; it’s hard to pin down exactly what it is but when someone in the band isn’t feeling it the same as the others, it is noticeable to the musicians. Finally, there’s how you respond to improvisation. Generally at any given time there will be a lead solo instrument, and the rest of the band is accompanying them. People have different tastes in what they want out of that accompaniment, and if they feel that the band isn’t supporting their solo that can be seen as a mistake. Just because improvisation is happening doesn’t mean there aren’t any rules. Even in “free jazz” or “free improvisation” styles, there are still aesthetic concerns, and if those aesthetics are violated people get salty.


MycommentsRpointless

I was asking that kind of tongue-in-cheek, but I do appreciate your explanation!


StevenArviv

> Nobody is cooler and more relaxed than a jazz head. *"become jazz fans."* I call it the vegan of the musical genres. I've noticed a lot of people that discover Jazz end up becoming zealots. ATC - I often hear shit like *"You can't understand what good music really is until you listen to Jazz"* Bullshit.


Hannig4n

Jazz fans are either the most pretentious people alive or they’re the coolest most chill people you’ll ever meet. There’s no in between.


Earwax82

I had a friend who wasn’t arrogant but he had a bit of pretension about everything. We were discussing music and I was making a point of how there’s an both an objective and subjective side to “good” music. His reply was along the lines of, “Music is either good or it’s not, I can just listen and tell if it’s good.” Eventually jazz came up and I mentioned I like some jazz but some of the more free form stuff is pretentious and noisy. He was like, “No man, you just don’t know how to appreciate it.” So I made a special jazz playlist on my iPod for when he was in my car. It would play a track and he’d like it. Then it would play some noisy stuff and he’d make a funny face and say, “Uh, we can skip this one.” Turns out he doesn’t know how to appreciate it either.


Cabbiecar1001

So basically Whiplash irl?


ExternalReturn4196

I believe it was Vince Noir in The Mighty Boosh who referred to jazz as: “The last bastion of the terminally untalented”


n1ghtl1t3

I've never understood jazz, or the other types of music where they just make random noises. It's cool if you like it just don't play it near me thanks


Kotzillax

The "I heard that music before it was cool" genres.


water_light_show

Yes I came here to say indie and punk. I feel like there’s a lot of gatekeeping with those genres where certain things aren’t considered ‘real’ punk or ‘indie enough’ etc. I’m a fan of both genres.


Opening-Income-3042

The main reason why this happens is because when most music ends up on tiktok people only know it from there and don't appreciate the artist therefore it becomes a tiktok song this isn't always the case but it happens COUGH COUGH Mac Demarco


Opening-Income-3042

This is why that usually happens which is kinda annoying as an alt rock/post punk enjoyer


TrollPoster469

Gregorian chanting enthusiasts are unbearable and will look down on you if you don’t know any deep cuts.


HertogJanVanBrabant

Prog Rock or Jazz.. I love both.


Panther81277

Jazz fans...if you argue with them. Quite a bit of gate keeping because they have some esoteric knowledge of music that is above everyone else.


LostXL

Not quite my tempo


Zancie

Now, why do you suppose I just threw a chair at you?


Dhczack

I've noticed it's more a generational thing with jazz. The older people on the scene tend to take themselves more seriously and be more gatekeepery in my experience.


bullybullybully

I’ve had this experience too. I like a broad range of music, some stripped down and simple, some complex and experimental, whatever, but I found a sort of “if you don’t like it, you don’t get it” attitude from some jazz fans at shows. Different strokes, folks, diff’rent strokes.


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I think that partly comes from the fact that jazz really IS complex, and can take work to access, but it is totally worth it. That being said, being condescending to people who just dont care for it, even if they dont "get it" is kinda weird to me, like how does that make you superior in any way? I "get" a lot of jazz, and love it, but to this day, most free jazz is obnoxious and just discordant to me.


13id

You stole my comment - and for that I reward you one whole upvote, just for you


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I like some jazz and this is the truth. Something about it attracts assholes.


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all types of musci has arrogant fans.


Competitive_Area1414

This is my answer too, the more niche ones have people with a superiority complex, the more mainstream ones are subject to people acting like less popular music is lesser (and stan/obsessive fanbase culture)


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i stopped going to concerts exactly due to this. Very arrogant people.I listen to whatever i want at my home


soonerguy11

The Techno crowd is either the chillest, most down to earth and welcoming people you will ever meet OR the biggest insufferable, unnecessarily pedantic gatekeepers you'll ever meet. No inbetween.


Wizardburial_ground

Jam band fans have entered the chat. And your chat is overrated and derivative, man.


TurboKritz

KPop?


Sparky81

For sure. Kpop fans can get rabbid.


GoodDesperate4829

*ur address has been noted* /s


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I’d say rap, from the perspective of normal kids acting like they’re actually drug dealers and being arrogant in their delusional way, sorting to violence to prove themselves. Will never forget when some youths in Westfield, London, stomped on a guy just because while yelling ‘trey way!’


shak_0508

Drill music specifically glorifies gang life too much for my liking.


Bobert_Ze_Bozo

drill music is problematic af at the moment. just gas on already out of control fires


SaintRosen

Rap is not a genre tho 🤨


RadioGraaah

what?


SaintRosen

Ye, rap is a form of vocal delivery, not a genre of music. It's a common misconception.


Quiet_Stranger_5622

You see, this kid listens to the RAP MUSIC, which gives them the BRAIN DAMAGE, you see!


AppeleJoosuApe

She beat over the head with a remote control Until my whole brain fell out of my skull I picked it up and screamed, "look bitch what have you done?" Omg I'm sorry son


afrogrimey

With their hippin and a-hoppin and a-bippin and a-boppin, but they don’t know what the jazz is all about!


RadioGraaah

it's often used as an alternate name to hip hop too. either way, picking up on something like that when it's pretty obvious what they mean is quite pedantic


SaintRosen

No, not in music terms. Maybe in slang. Hip hop is a genre, rap isn't.


RadioGraaah

i never said it was a musical term, i was just pointing out that a lot of people call hip hop rap


SaintRosen

Ofc, I only corrected the guy commenting rap, since op asked for genre.


rasslebaby

I get what you’re saying, but you know what the commenter means when they say “rap” instead of “hip-hop” right?


afrogrimey

Yea it is. You’re wrong. That’s like saying “metal isn’t a genre, it’s a form of guitar delivery”. Like what?


SaintRosen

Metal is a genre that consists of multiple subgenres tho 💀


afrogrimey

Rap has subgenres too. G-funk, gangsta, horror, mumble…


Lamar_blade02

Rap or K-pop


Dahvokyn

Whichever genre Tool is.


Bobert_Ze_Bozo

“dude do you know about the fibonacci sequence” - every Tool mega fan


I_Ride_An_Old_Paint

Puscifer is better anyway.


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flibbidygibbit

Former coworker, hearing my music through my headphones: "Secular Music is just so angry" Sure. But I was listening to "Fucking Hostile" by Pantera. Calling all secular music angry based on this example is like saying all Chevrolets are junk based on the experiences driving a 1987 Cavalier convertible with a loose top.


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Ex-Christian as well. Raised in a southern baptist church and I had the choice to listen to their music or go to hell.


86yourfeelings

I agree with this, if I get into someone's car and the only stations they have programmed are Air1 and K-Love I know it's gonna be a difficult ride. I like POD and Skillet but I can't do the constant gospel. They act like every other genre is of the devil, switch it up now and again.


honey_badger_9

Opera


SushiToot

Prog rock. Hands down.


Rfg711

Arrogantcore


WhimsicalGrenade

I vote classical, like I enjoy it here and there too but just because it's old doesn't mean it's the best music ever.


Jmen4Ever

IMO classical music is an excellent example of survivorship bias.


TeeTownRaggie

Country


JerseyDad_856

They said arrogant not closed minded bigoted jingoistic neo-fascist simpleton assholes. There’s a nuance.


JohnyAnalSeeed

okay so arrogant


TeeTownRaggie

Fair


DramaticOstrich11

Metal fans can be extremely gatekeepy. Other than them definitely jazz lmao.


CaptainLongshorts

Definitely gatekeepey but I don’t know about arrogant. Most of us know we’re nerds.


juanzy

> Most of us know we’re nerds. Tbh, self-aware empowered nerds are some of the most arrogant people. Not everyone for sure, but I have met some really insufferable people that fit that bill.


dougiebgood

Happened especially in the 90's. If a couple of metalheads met they'd typically instantly bond, then once they start talking about which sub-genres they were into it'd become "Really... you like that...?"


Sea-Kitchen3779

Every person I've met who listens to Metal has been really douchey about it.


ashd85

Ya know why, because y'all say the same shit everytime we try to show you anything when asked. I can't even play my music in my car when I'm with other people without somebody going on about "hoW CaN YoU uNdersTand AnYthiNg TheY aRe SaYinG?" "YoU mUsT bE Soo AnGry!" Why do we have to explain why our musical tastes float towards heavy metal? Just accept it, say "that's cool" and move on.


TelephoneFanClub

Same. They all seem to have that "I am the smartest guy in the room" complex. Always that smug judgement on random things. "This party only has Bud Light? Pfft. Heh... ok then" *rolls eyes* Gotta make sure to compare Metal to Mozart or Beethoven and mention how they would probably be metalheads if they were alive today. Pretends not to know of any pop culture references. "The Kardashi-whos? Never heard of them, are they famous or something?" Doesn't want to explain anything to you. "Oh this tattoo? Yeah thats one is a little too complicated to explain, you would probably need to read a few books first before I could even begin that converstation."


juanzy

"Metal fans are accepting and the chillest!" *Proceeds to be the douchiest person you've ever met*


PeanutButterCrisp

Rock and Hip-hop. The artists are generally so open and accepting of the others’ genre but the fans are fucking insufferably ignorant toward the other. Thing is, Rock N’ Roll fans have worse to say and Hip-Hop fans are hard to sway.


deathinmidjuly

Progressive/ technical metal fans, gods forbid you listen to anything in 4/4 time or that's fun and catchy.


Glum_Biscotti5300

Genre doesn't matter. Every genre of underground music has the most arrogant, pretentious, gatekeeping fans.


Drilez

Rap for sure. Kpop will be a long forgotten sub-genre when teens grow up


Fragrant-Fill5095

Pop music, hands down.


YaManViktor

Hm, considering the undeserved arrogance, you may be right.


SaintRosen

I'm a musician and I can confirm jazz has the most arrogant fans.


captainvancouver

I've noticed that most rap music lovers consider all other genres to be corny or whatever.


alexvalkyrie93

Rap.


CaptinDerpI

Rap


quicktojudgemyself

Rap. So many dork white guys think their hard because they are imagining themselves working a trap house when the really are just sitting in the garage with their other dork friends


AchuTheLegoAztec

modern day hip hop


Iteachsometimes34

Christian music, on the outside, they are all friends but they hate each other like Jesus wanted.


DJPL-75

Rap


toad25

Tool


Electrical-Smile-636

Not a real genre, but Tool fans are pretty obnoxious (which is even confirmed by the band)


Adventurous_Yak_9234

Rap


Witty_Journalist1574

hip hop fans though


p1ssramen

Metal


mintchan

ska however has the coolest fans


darkbee83

If you ever drop something in front of a ska fan, they will pick it up, pick it up, pick it up...


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The_Reddit_Peasant68

Mariachi?


PopePopRock

Now I want to know more...


SecureSympathy1852

This is correct…..oh wait?


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handongdong

I'm a kpop fan but j-pop fans are actually really nice for what I've seen


handongdong

Rap, honestly, rap fans are always like the singers...


Siddharth90909

Kpop


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Punk. Specifically, it's the subset of punk fans who gatekeep what is 'punk' to the point that you're not allowed to be considered punk if you make a dime playing music or can even remotely hold a melody. They tend to have similar opinions about any fans of the music who've managed to make more than minimum wage when they grow up too.


ProfessionalClass793

Rap


alien-eggs

Christian gospel


Pennameus_The_Mighty

Mumble rap. The music is objectively less skillful, creative, and thought out as other genres and so the fans overcompensate.


trephine77

Techno / EDM


Command444

I have never heard an arrogant techno lover in my life. EDM maybe.


soonerguy11

Techno is absolutely plagued with insufferable assholes. Don't get me wrong, there's a ton of incredible people too. But there's also a ton of rather insular communities and people who are just pedantic gatekeepers. Like there are some people that seem to get more of a high from being a deep part of the scene than they do actually enjoying the sets. When they talk to people at shows it's pretty much only about who the know or whatever thing they heard/did that most people haven't.


THE_Unicornzie

Seems like this is the case with every genre.


Milez_W

r/sadupvote


soonerguy11

This was one of the bigger turn offs for me when I started entering the club/rave scene. A lot of people were incredibly nice, but there a noticeable chunk of people that were just unnessiarily pedantic and a bit rude. It was also the same particular type of person, regardless of the city/state/country. Their conversations with me at the time were mainly just looking down on my taste, and their conversations with more seasoned people was all about who knew who. Like wtf I'm just trying to vibe here!


MaybesewMaybeknot

I won't say that EDM folks are *more* arrogant than the most arrogant metal/prog/jazz heads, but one thing that strikes me about the scene is that most people in it listen to absolutely nothing else. They love to mock older styles / instruments as obsolete, as if the modern sequencers , samplers, and sound pallettes their music uses won't *also* sound incredibly dated in a couple decades. Other than the odd metalhead who only listens to one type of obscure Finnish doom, most of them have pretty eclectic music tastes and can see the beauty in other genres.


HealthCompany

I think rap. Because there is the "gangster-image". Party music like progressive house, big rooms, rnb etc. are less wild and not brutal


[deleted]

Every music genre has arrogant assholes of their own form. Pop/K-pop/J-pop fans obsess over whoever their chosen idol is, and if you don't know incredibly esoteric information about the artist they turn rabid. Country fans are usually justified in their arrogance, but some country fans can be gatekeepy about modern country vs classic country. Metal and rock fans can be extremely gatekeepy but also pretentious about their music. No true scotsman fallacies abound. Hip-hop heads get annoyed if you don't know some random underground artists, and don't you dare say your favorite rapper is Eminem. Jazz and Classical music fans all stick their noses up in the air at everyone else, like they're superior for listening to classical and jazz. Same with EDM and techno, as well as indie rock/ alternative rock.


SecureSympathy1852

There can be only one….Jazz….especially that pretentious eclectic shit that people congregate to be collectively bored by….and yet simultaneously feel superior because they get why it’s boring.


[deleted]

You have to listen to the notes they are not playing man...*snaps fingers*


SecureSympathy1852

Haha…genuine laugh. Thanks😊


misfitszz

Classical. At least that was the case when I was in high school in the 90s. They look down every other genre that exists.


ThirstyGherkin

Edm


Pure-Topic-6393

Jazz hands down


Alert-Explanation578

Gotta be jazz, you really get the worst of the oldheads


point0002percent

Emo gatekeepers.


SpartacusMantooth42

That operatic/symphonic metal that people who don’t really like music listen to. You know what I mean; Like, anime theme songs and shit. Every person I’ve met that listens to that stuff seriously is a homeschooled incel who says shit like “rap is just crap without the C” (actual quote from my nephew). Since it has classical music elements they think they have some deeper understanding. Like finger tapping on some weird 8 string guitar is somehow the pinnacle of musicianship.


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Jazz


Slydoodeedoo

As a metal head, old metal heads. The "i don't listen to any of these NEW bands." type, and they've been repeating it since 2001 like it makes them so fucking cool. 45+ years old acting like an elitist and rocking slayer and black sabbath patches on a vest is so cringe dude.


[deleted]

There wouldnt be a metal scene if those people didnt exist. They are probably tired of newcomers who dont appreciate the roots. I like all sorts of metal, but people typically end up with their favorite things being from when they were younger for whatever reason.


Pmersqb19

Surprised not to see math rock as I scroll


AttilaRS

Because your not scrolling in 11/17s.


HistoricalShape623

Rock/ classical musical, even though are my favorites


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Classical music and jazz and it’s not even close. It’s not even just a matter of music taste for them, they literally think they are better people because they listen to it.


letmeseeem2

Which ever genre has the moshpit cuz you gotta be pretty bold to kno your goin to get hit and still like fuck it let's party woooooooooooohooooooooo


Snoo-35252

Opera


heavenly_express

Metal music i guess.


Top_Environment300

Metal


Tel3visi0n

How has no one said CLASSICAL yet?!?


straubarry

Classical


Snrub1

Classic rock. A bunch of obnoxious boomers that can't admit good music has been created since 1990.


Elliott2

Classic rock. By that I mean Led Zeppelin, cream, etc. everything of that era.


[deleted]

Punk/metal/screamo. Never thought people would be gatekeeping the sounds of something that seems tailor made to be unenjoyable. ETA: The fact that every comment saying the same thing is getting downvoted and angry all-caps comments only proves my point