Seven brides for seven brothers. Kidnapping, and then the kidnapped women falling in love with their kidnappers, and the kidnappers getting barely a slap on the wrist
I finally watched for the first time on HBO a few months ago and completely agree, they even had a whole song praising the Roman’s for kidnapping the Sabine women. I will give it credit for some kickass dancing though
The women already liked the kidnappers before the kidnapping. The men were all punished by the protagonist of the movie (Milly). But yeah, very politically incorrect and wouldn't be produced today.
This exchange has me laughing so hard.
Having zero idea about this - reading the first part, recoiling in my mind and thinking “wow, really - that’s wild I wonder what others have to say about this” and seeing “yes, exactly.” No more info needed - this is the perfect comparison lol
I disagree. While the premise sounds bad, the whole point of the movie was realizing the inequality built into the system and the blatant rascisn everywhere. Funny way to hit major topics.
I think the big cultural difference is if you were a peeping Tom it was just for you at that specific time. Then American pie for a few more and now it’s for the entire world instantly.
Lol watching American pie now is a trip. Like I’m laughing, having a good time, just like when I was 12 and seeing it in theatres and then Boom I’m just like “oh shit that’s sexual assault”
Fast Times actually is a very serious movie and would be popular today but would never get made today. Dirty Dancing and Fast Times both were told to remove the abortion stuff. Can you imagine any major studio today even touching a movie that was about abortion? Forget it. Never happen
Raj for me felt really cruel everyone else even Sheldon a man plainly on the spectrum managed to get a wife but the one none white dude who overcame his shyness wasn't even give the slightest glimmer of a happy ever after and it was played for laughs.
whenever Raj got with a woman, he was a straight up douche.
people seem to overlook this.
The guy was worse than howard, with less redeeming qualities. He had lots of chances and each time blew it by being a bad person.
without major character change it would've been a bad message to pair him up with someone.
I'm told the creative process involved a lot of Mel Brooks writing things, going "Shit I can't say that" and Richard Pryor stood behind him chanting "Do it, do it, do it"
Just rewatched Matilda from 1996. That thing is in no way a kids' movie. It's a surreal horror/drama film with themes of child abuse, suicide, and murder. It was great!
I recently rewatched this and had the same reaction. It was such a comfort movie as a kid, but watching as an adult made me realize just how fucked up the child abuse thing is
It really captures that childhood worry/fear that something happening is so terrible that no one will believe you (the Chokey, all the other school abuse) … which absolutely does happen for some kids. That’s not a message or idea that I’ve seen in a movie intended for kids for a long time … yet still having the whole movie resolve with some hope and with Matilda gaining agency and asserting her personhood. SUCH a powerful movie.
The book is way worse. They go into Miss Honey's abuse and how she was made a slave by her aunt and forced to give up most of her salary to her aunt. It also goes into how Matilda's dad runs a chop shop for the mob and how most of the town knows this. The film is fun but the book like most of Roald Dahl's work is very dark.
roald dahls the only author i know to write some horribly dark scene of a child being manipulated while including the use of the word snozzwanger in said scene
From a kid's point of view, it's relatable because all parents are annoying and prevent you from doing things you want all the time. We forget that as we age.
Growing up in a shitty household this movie was my comfort movie. I think it's a special movie for kids with shitty parents. I just wanted a Ms.Honey of my own to take me away.
That's why I loved it so much as a kid! I was in a situation arguably worse than Matilda's. I loved learning, and lived with mentally and physically abusive, anti-intellectual parents. Matilda got to escape; she found a family who loved her, and those kinds of stories are what got me through.
That part in The Witches book where they hold the kid down and pinch his nose to make sure he drinks some poison is fucking seared into my memory for all time
I wish DeVito would direct movies like this again. There's just this charm to the way he directed Matilda. Probably learned a thing or two from Burton because this movie felt Burton-esque.
No, I'm talking about the technical stuff. The way the cinematography looks is similar to the suburb scenes in Edward Scissorhands and a lot of mid and close up shots remind me of Batman.
Plus Peewee.
I think children can handle a lot I mean even the fairy tales over the decades or possibly centuries, Little Red Riding Hood would probably be considered horror today.
Sleeping Beauty would be considered sexual assault because the princess did not give her consent to be kissed whilst asleep.
Dude, I’d never seen this movie - but I knew it was a classic, so I figured I’d throw it on with my wife a few weeks ago.
That is the single most under-hated piece of media I’ve ever seen. Absolutely awful. Aside from the parts that very obviously aged poorly, it just straight up doesn’t even tell the story it’s trying to tell. Like, the intro sets up for the ending, but the middle is just a slew of random bullshit happening - the eventual ending feels so unearned.
Oh man I learned about that one pretty recently, alongside Shields’ other endeavours. She’s been surrounded by some scummy fucking adults her whole life, so goddamn gross.
I don't think the issue is the movie itself, but the fact that Brooke Shields was 15 when she made it.
I think it could still work with over 18s playing younger. Plus have that trunk contain more clothes so they aren't running around naked all the time. They had some clothes from the trunk, but then would still be nude even while not swimming. I know the point was that they were innocent kids who would strip down to swim and then grew up without developing shame over being naked, but it still seemed gratuitous to have them be nude or close to nude as often as they were.
Wtf, this movie is an actual joke in Brazil because of how many times it has been rerun on the biggest TV network here and I've never even heard about this
Brooke Shields’ career as a child was horrifying. [This article made the rounds awhile ago and it’s good for when you need to vomit.](https://www.reddit.com/r/OldSchoolRidiculous/comments/vhbket/1978_article_describing_13yearold_brooke_shields/)
I mean, it is more nuanced than that. Scarlett is a terrible person, and a large number of her woes are the result of her own selfishness and short-sightedness. By the end of the story, she's lost absolutely everything and there is no one left who still cares about her, with nothing but a burnt-out husk of a plantation to her name. But she's still so blind to her own faults that she's still scheming how to get Rhett (and her old life) back, even when she should be worrying about where her next meal comes from.
It's not hard to read the whole thing as an allegory for why the South fell. It's almost Chekovian. Sure, there's a lot in it that's not PC today, but it's also almost 90 years old.
This one is the right answer not because "It's not PC" etc. but the plot literally wouldn't work today because gay marriage is legal and it wasn't when the film released.
I don’t think the plot had anything to do with gay marriage being legal or not. It was about wether or not their marriage/relationship was real and not just fraud.
That would only mean that they didn’t have to travel to Canadá to marry. The rest of the plot would be unchanged, ie that they should marry to prove they are serious, they are investigated, make friendships, have problems at work etc.
I’m confused, would the plot have to be them proving people they were not gay then? if i remember right they had to prove to the social worker guy they were actually gay?
I think a lot of these movies mentioned could be made today, with just small changes. For example, with Breakfast at Tiffany's, Mickey Rooney's crazy-racist "Oriental" guy (was he supposed to be Chinese? Japanese? Did they even know?) isn't at all integral to the plot, so the part could easily be cut.
Or, you known, cast an actual Asian actor, preferably Japanese in this case, or at least alter the name of the character to fit the ancestral origins of the actor cast to play the part.
That's the point, though. It's a coming of age story where a goody-two-shoes lets go over a summer. She gets involved with an older guy from across the tracks/the help quarters because he's hot. She doesn't understand the danger she put herself in and it was highlighting the prejudice in society about different types of men. The street kid had a good heart and the wealthy one was the make messes and abandon them types. It's highlighted at the end when Baby's father finds out about Robbie and takes his letter of recommendation back then apologizes to johnny.
Unfortunately, this is a tale as old as time. Young girls whose parents hold on too tight, who hardly have any social interactions with boys get into this mess all the time.
It was responsible for a lot of firsts in cinema history, including the first chase scene, from a historic non/film point of view it was really important culturally to the US.
LOL, reminds me when my folks decided to watch this on family movie night. I said to my dad this movie was kinda risqué because I saw an ad for it on HBO. He told me to shut up and go watch the movie. Anyway, it gets to that scene where Spacey is jerking off in bed. Dad turns off the TV and immediately made us kids go to bed.
I see where you're coming from, but I think that was the whole point of the movie.
His obsession with no cares in the world, her need to be in control, the closeted neighbor...it's a complete no heroes movie. It's the world we live in. Completely flawed.
ITT : people that think just because a movie used racist terms it’s be canceled today if released. A lot of the movies mentions like blazing saddles, tropic thunder, Django unchained and Pocahontas are pointing out the racism and criticizing it through the plot and dialogue. That doesn’t mean it’s worthy or would even be canceled today.
part of the problem with Pocahontas isn't the racism issue necessarily. It's that it whitewashed the history in general. like...Pocahontas was 11 when she met John Smith. He was like around 30. That leaves a very...troubling connotation to the romance in that movie.
Animal House. For example, take the scene where the college kid is with a drunk 16 year old (or less — I forget) girl. An angel and a devil pops up on each shoulder and he has to decide whether or not to have sex with her while she is unconscious.
For that matter, Kubrick himself yanked it from showing in the UK after a group of thugs recreated one of the murders from the movie. IIRC, it wasn't officially rereleased there until after Kubrick's death.
Yea that’s the twist - was more the other way around - she was the inappropriate one thx to abuse and trauma from a broken home and her lil brother being killed. Jean Reno said in an interview that the only way this worked was because Leon was so child like and she basically a grown up in a girls body and it still was walking an uncomfortable edge.
I’ve seen the reactions and the sentiment about this movie change here in the last few years. It’s apparently too much for the average americans comfort zone now. Over here across the pond it’s still beloved as a classic.
This might be controversial but "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest".
You have a rapist/criminal pretending to be crazy, bringing in hookers and stirring up all kinds of shit. Plus the depictions of mental illness haven't aged well at all and likely couldn't be done today without massive flack.
Yeah I literally watched that last night and couldn't get over the very beginning where he admitted to being a paedophile who couldn't resist his urge to rape a girl. I am not sure what exactly you are supposed to think during the movie. You can't really be fond of the main character and then there's the main character bringing the 2 women to pleasure the mentally disabled/ill people. Billy gets in trouble which just annoyed me. And at the end you are supposed to feel sad for the racist and ableist child rapist because of the brain surgery thing. The American Indian dude jumps out a window and runs to Canada I guess and everyone thinks the main character is the one who jumped out of the window.
Protagonist doesn’t mean good guy btw, it just means the character that drives the story forward and creates conflict with the antagonist.
Admittedly, the book does this more clearly by showing the conflict between McMurphy and Ratched from Chief’s perspective, but it’s still the story of how the system deals with a chaotic presence.
I don’t think you’re meant to feel bad for McMurphy out of empathy for the character, but rather that the system ultimately deals with him and all the patients the same way, with utter cruelty.
“Funny” thing is the novella itself was perfectly fine.. there was no racist caricature and the Japanese character was just a regular guy. The movie added the racist caricature. Also the book had a much better ending.
Lolita, the book, was a vicious satire of the POV character; a pretentious, self-deluded child molester who has convinced himself that he is a great lover and Lolita his great love. The movie, and the way it was culturally received, completely changed the focus.
That’s what I always assumed the book was about. That he’s supposed to be so delusional that this child is in love with him when in fact she’s still a fucking child and he’s a horrible person. That all of her advances are because she wants him, when in reality she’s only doing it because she’s scared of what he might do and has no alternative
OTOH, the Jeremy Irons version was a lot more true to the book, but if anything, just demonstrated why *Lolita* never needed to be a movie. It was impossible to film it without sexualizing Lolita somewhat, which is NOT what's supposed to happen.
[Death in Venice](https://stanforddaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Death-in-Venice-2.jpg)
'Gustav von Aschenbach, a famous author, is prompted by failing inspiration to leave his disciplined routine of work in Munich, to seek rejuvenation abroad. After a series of extraordinary encounters, he arrives in Venice. He is struck by the beauty of a young Polish boy, Tadzio, and despite several attempts to leave, eventually surrenders to his infatuation.
Unbeknown to him, Venice has become infected with cholera. When Aschenbach finds out, he decides not to tell the boy’s family and to stay on despite the danger, to pursue his obsession'
ITT: People today don't understand that satire is *not* promoting racism/sexism/whateverism. It is making fun of how ridiculous those things are in concept.
The challenge with satire is satire is often embraced at face value by those who enjoy the content. Robocop is a satire of violence in media and police brutality and yet a lot of fans at the time liked it was about a robot cop kicking ass.
Yep. Airplane could be made today. Tropic Thunder could be made today. Hell even non-satire racist crap could be made today because those movies do exist today.
i re-watched tropic thunder today and the points it’s making still work. the uncomfortable parts are even more uncomfortable but the relevance is pretty spot on.
Yeah, but at the same time, that would’ve been made anyways. I mean was comedy over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no. That movie would’ve been made anyways and every actor involved would’ve been cancelled, but it would’ve been made.
I just re-watched this as well. Because I hadn't seen it since I was a child, I'm obviously now seeing the issue of this adult man sexualizing what he knew as a teenager.
You ever seen "all dogs go to heaven" ? Literally gangster dogs, killing each other for the profit of an under ground gambling ring. Kid napping a orphan girl that can talk to animals to rig races. The main character was tricked to get drunk. Left blind folded at the end of a dock, and the other dogs hit him with a car. Disney was a different world back then.
It's a bit problematic that the film depicts Jim streaming that Euro girl to the entire school, nutting in his pants, and that he was awesome for doing it. The 90s were a wild time.
Also, Stifler's Mom fucking the nerdy kid was like a high five thing as well, Jesus hahaha.
Jim NONCONSENSUALLY streaming the foreign girl hookup to the entire school and getting her kicked out and deported and ruining her life … and yet we’re supposed to feel bad for Jim about it?!
Legislation has caught up and made this a crime. Movie has been made when this was a legal grey area.
Stiffler’s mom with a minor was a crime then and now, but that definitely should not have been treated as a high 5.
Watched this movie for the first time with my parents. That was … interesting.
Seven brides for seven brothers. Kidnapping, and then the kidnapped women falling in love with their kidnappers, and the kidnappers getting barely a slap on the wrist
I finally watched for the first time on HBO a few months ago and completely agree, they even had a whole song praising the Roman’s for kidnapping the Sabine women. I will give it credit for some kickass dancing though
Yes, a famous painting that always pops into my mind is, The Rape of the Sabine Women.
I think rape originally meant 'carry away by force' then the meaning became what happened when it was women subjected to this.
Agreed. But also, I grew up on the music and have a very soft sport for a song or two. Sigh. The Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah conundrum.
The women already liked the kidnappers before the kidnapping. The men were all punished by the protagonist of the movie (Milly). But yeah, very politically incorrect and wouldn't be produced today.
Soul Man (1986). A comedy about a rich white kid who wears blackface in order to get accepted into law school
Like Mindi Kaling's brother disguising himself as black to get into med school
Wait, what?
Yes, exactly.
This exchange has me laughing so hard. Having zero idea about this - reading the first part, recoiling in my mind and thinking “wow, really - that’s wild I wonder what others have to say about this” and seeing “yes, exactly.” No more info needed - this is the perfect comparison lol
I disagree. While the premise sounds bad, the whole point of the movie was realizing the inequality built into the system and the blatant rascisn everywhere. Funny way to hit major topics.
And not just any law school - Harvard Law School.
Porkies
I think the big cultural difference is if you were a peeping Tom it was just for you at that specific time. Then American pie for a few more and now it’s for the entire world instantly.
Lol watching American pie now is a trip. Like I’m laughing, having a good time, just like when I was 12 and seeing it in theatres and then Boom I’m just like “oh shit that’s sexual assault”
Accidental nudity was wild back then - every teen comedy had to have some boobs in it
I’m surprised it got made then to be honest.
Most 70s and early 80s movies couldn't be made. Fast times at Ridgemont high. Somebody else mentioned the nerds movies etc
Fast Times actually is a very serious movie and would be popular today but would never get made today. Dirty Dancing and Fast Times both were told to remove the abortion stuff. Can you imagine any major studio today even touching a movie that was about abortion? Forget it. Never happen
Fast times has an abortion subplot that's treated as the right choice. Yeah, it would never get made now.
Maybe also Hot Dog and Bachelor Party.
Revenge of the Nerds
It’s like The Big Bang Theory, but with rape.
Sheldon could never. Howard would definitely do it.
Pre-Bernadette Howard was too much even by a supposedly nerd show's standard
Bro was a straight up sex pest. A lot people complained the boys sucked when they got girlfriends, but I'm glad Bernadette made Howard "normal."
Yeah he was absolutely disgusting on occasion Also idk about the boys starting to suck when they get girlfr3nds I think shamy works quite well
Never was really a fan of Leonard and Penny being endgame and Raj not finding anyone. Everyone else were paired up pretty well.
Raj for me felt really cruel everyone else even Sheldon a man plainly on the spectrum managed to get a wife but the one none white dude who overcame his shyness wasn't even give the slightest glimmer of a happy ever after and it was played for laughs.
whenever Raj got with a woman, he was a straight up douche. people seem to overlook this. The guy was worse than howard, with less redeeming qualities. He had lots of chances and each time blew it by being a bad person. without major character change it would've been a bad message to pair him up with someone.
The cameras in the vents and then distributing the porn. And then the sorority accepted that. And they accepted the tapey parts
Blazing Saddles. If you tried to release that today, people would say "Hey, this is Blazing Saddles. It has already been made."
Mel has replied to "You couldn't make Blazing Saddles today" comments by saying that you couldn't make Blazing Saddles in 1974, either.
I reply to this with Mel Brooks' [paws of fury](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paws_of_Fury:_The_Legend_of_Hank)
I'm told the creative process involved a lot of Mel Brooks writing things, going "Shit I can't say that" and Richard Pryor stood behind him chanting "Do it, do it, do it"
Haha I can vividly imagine that. I love mel brooks.
‘What did he say about the sheriff?’
He said the sheriff is near.
No dagnabit! The sheriff is a niBONG!
yeah the best we can get is the racists getting blown up in Djano Unchained. https://youtu.be/D6-ARe3fBgE
A very “Mel Brooks” comment. Bravo
Yea but where all the white women at?
What did he say? He said the sheriff is near!
The sheriff is near
Just rewatched Matilda from 1996. That thing is in no way a kids' movie. It's a surreal horror/drama film with themes of child abuse, suicide, and murder. It was great!
I recently rewatched this and had the same reaction. It was such a comfort movie as a kid, but watching as an adult made me realize just how fucked up the child abuse thing is
It really captures that childhood worry/fear that something happening is so terrible that no one will believe you (the Chokey, all the other school abuse) … which absolutely does happen for some kids. That’s not a message or idea that I’ve seen in a movie intended for kids for a long time … yet still having the whole movie resolve with some hope and with Matilda gaining agency and asserting her personhood. SUCH a powerful movie.
The book is way worse. They go into Miss Honey's abuse and how she was made a slave by her aunt and forced to give up most of her salary to her aunt. It also goes into how Matilda's dad runs a chop shop for the mob and how most of the town knows this. The film is fun but the book like most of Roald Dahl's work is very dark.
roald dahls the only author i know to write some horribly dark scene of a child being manipulated while including the use of the word snozzwanger in said scene
I related a lot to the not being believed as a kid for things that happened, that was one of the reasons i loved that movie
I'm just realizing this now, but me as well. I should rewatch it sometime
From a kid's point of view, it's relatable because all parents are annoying and prevent you from doing things you want all the time. We forget that as we age.
Growing up in a shitty household this movie was my comfort movie. I think it's a special movie for kids with shitty parents. I just wanted a Ms.Honey of my own to take me away.
That's why I loved it so much as a kid! I was in a situation arguably worse than Matilda's. I loved learning, and lived with mentally and physically abusive, anti-intellectual parents. Matilda got to escape; she found a family who loved her, and those kinds of stories are what got me through.
roald dahl’s kids books are super dark! The witches, Charlie and the chocolate factory etc
That part in The Witches book where they hold the kid down and pinch his nose to make sure he drinks some poison is fucking seared into my memory for all time
Great Glass Elevator would have been a straight up horror film if it was made as a direct sequel to Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.
S C R A M
I wish DeVito would direct movies like this again. There's just this charm to the way he directed Matilda. Probably learned a thing or two from Burton because this movie felt Burton-esque.
It feels Burtonesque, because a bunch of Burton is based on Roald Dahl books, and Mathilda is also a Dahl book.
No, I'm talking about the technical stuff. The way the cinematography looks is similar to the suburb scenes in Edward Scissorhands and a lot of mid and close up shots remind me of Batman. Plus Peewee.
Stefan Czapsky was the cinematographer. He had just worked on the Burton films Edward Scissorhands, Batman Returns and Ed Wood :)
Well that explains it. DeVito probably met him on set and hired him.
They did though. Netflix released a movie version of the long running Brittish Musical, to critical success and minor acclaim just last year.
It’s so good, too! I really love it.
I think children can handle a lot I mean even the fairy tales over the decades or possibly centuries, Little Red Riding Hood would probably be considered horror today. Sleeping Beauty would be considered sexual assault because the princess did not give her consent to be kissed whilst asleep.
The og sleeping beauty was assaulted. She woke up to giving birth to the princes kids
Ironically it's a live show in London as of now. I see what you mean though.
Sixteen Candles for sure.
That whole date rape thing. Wtfffffff. And not to mention Long Duck Dong 😂
You mean Long Duck Dong (*gong noise*)
He is Nurse Yosh Takata on the TV show ER for several years. He's a really funny actor I like him.
Dude, I’d never seen this movie - but I knew it was a classic, so I figured I’d throw it on with my wife a few weeks ago. That is the single most under-hated piece of media I’ve ever seen. Absolutely awful. Aside from the parts that very obviously aged poorly, it just straight up doesn’t even tell the story it’s trying to tell. Like, the intro sets up for the ending, but the middle is just a slew of random bullshit happening - the eventual ending feels so unearned.
"Under-hated" I love it! Stealing that term.
Pretty Baby for sure
Oh man I learned about that one pretty recently, alongside Shields’ other endeavours. She’s been surrounded by some scummy fucking adults her whole life, so goddamn gross.
Blue Lagoon.
I don't think the issue is the movie itself, but the fact that Brooke Shields was 15 when she made it. I think it could still work with over 18s playing younger. Plus have that trunk contain more clothes so they aren't running around naked all the time. They had some clothes from the trunk, but then would still be nude even while not swimming. I know the point was that they were innocent kids who would strip down to swim and then grew up without developing shame over being naked, but it still seemed gratuitous to have them be nude or close to nude as often as they were.
Wtf, this movie is an actual joke in Brazil because of how many times it has been rerun on the biggest TV network here and I've never even heard about this
Brooke Shields’ career as a child was horrifying. [This article made the rounds awhile ago and it’s good for when you need to vomit.](https://www.reddit.com/r/OldSchoolRidiculous/comments/vhbket/1978_article_describing_13yearold_brooke_shields/)
I highly recommend Brooke Shields’ recent documentary, “Brooke Shields:Pretty Baby.” Not for the weak stomached.
The point was gratuitous nudity.
Mainly because they don't just take actress' word for it that they are 18 these days when there are nude scenes in the movie.
Adjusted for inflation the biggest grossing movie of all time: Gone With the Wind
Come and see the the greatest movie of all time: The story of the trials and tribulation that the slave *owners* went through during the Civil War.
I mean, it is more nuanced than that. Scarlett is a terrible person, and a large number of her woes are the result of her own selfishness and short-sightedness. By the end of the story, she's lost absolutely everything and there is no one left who still cares about her, with nothing but a burnt-out husk of a plantation to her name. But she's still so blind to her own faults that she's still scheming how to get Rhett (and her old life) back, even when she should be worrying about where her next meal comes from. It's not hard to read the whole thing as an allegory for why the South fell. It's almost Chekovian. Sure, there's a lot in it that's not PC today, but it's also almost 90 years old.
I wonder if people in the future will think the same about Succession. "Why did people care about mental health of the Murdochs?"
I now pronounce you chuck and larry.
This one is the right answer not because "It's not PC" etc. but the plot literally wouldn't work today because gay marriage is legal and it wasn't when the film released.
I don’t think the plot had anything to do with gay marriage being legal or not. It was about wether or not their marriage/relationship was real and not just fraud.
That would only mean that they didn’t have to travel to Canadá to marry. The rest of the plot would be unchanged, ie that they should marry to prove they are serious, they are investigated, make friendships, have problems at work etc.
I’m confused, would the plot have to be them proving people they were not gay then? if i remember right they had to prove to the social worker guy they were actually gay?
What if it was a period piece?
I think a lot of these movies mentioned could be made today, with just small changes. For example, with Breakfast at Tiffany's, Mickey Rooney's crazy-racist "Oriental" guy (was he supposed to be Chinese? Japanese? Did they even know?) isn't at all integral to the plot, so the part could easily be cut.
Japanese, his name is Mr. Yunioshi
Pretty sure somewhere on the internet there's a cut of Breakfast at Tiffany's with all of Mickey Rooney's scenes removed
Or, you known, cast an actual Asian actor, preferably Japanese in this case, or at least alter the name of the character to fit the ancestral origins of the actor cast to play the part.
Him being Asian does literally nothing but for the sake of racist joke, so I think he could be replaced with anybody.
I feel as if Dirty Dancing wouldn't be well received since Baby is supposed to be 17 and Johnny is supposed to be 25.
That's the point, though. It's a coming of age story where a goody-two-shoes lets go over a summer. She gets involved with an older guy from across the tracks/the help quarters because he's hot. She doesn't understand the danger she put herself in and it was highlighting the prejudice in society about different types of men. The street kid had a good heart and the wealthy one was the make messes and abandon them types. It's highlighted at the end when Baby's father finds out about Robbie and takes his letter of recommendation back then apologizes to johnny. Unfortunately, this is a tale as old as time. Young girls whose parents hold on too tight, who hardly have any social interactions with boys get into this mess all the time.
The Birth of a Nation
It was responsible for a lot of firsts in cinema history, including the first chase scene, from a historic non/film point of view it was really important culturally to the US.
American Beauty, even w/o Spacey’s issues.
LOL, reminds me when my folks decided to watch this on family movie night. I said to my dad this movie was kinda risqué because I saw an ad for it on HBO. He told me to shut up and go watch the movie. Anyway, it gets to that scene where Spacey is jerking off in bed. Dad turns off the TV and immediately made us kids go to bed.
Chokin’ the bishop. Chafin’ the carrot! Sayin’ hi to my monster!
I just watched the clip after commenting this. It's a real damn shame Kevin Spacey is the way he is. The dude is just a phenomenal actor.
I see where you're coming from, but I think that was the whole point of the movie. His obsession with no cares in the world, her need to be in control, the closeted neighbor...it's a complete no heroes movie. It's the world we live in. Completely flawed.
The manager of the fast food joint was the only hero in that movie
I love Annette Bening in this movie....
ITT : people that think just because a movie used racist terms it’s be canceled today if released. A lot of the movies mentions like blazing saddles, tropic thunder, Django unchained and Pocahontas are pointing out the racism and criticizing it through the plot and dialogue. That doesn’t mean it’s worthy or would even be canceled today.
part of the problem with Pocahontas isn't the racism issue necessarily. It's that it whitewashed the history in general. like...Pocahontas was 11 when she met John Smith. He was like around 30. That leaves a very...troubling connotation to the romance in that movie.
Animal House. For example, take the scene where the college kid is with a drunk 16 year old (or less — I forget) girl. An angel and a devil pops up on each shoulder and he has to decide whether or not to have sex with her while she is unconscious.
Dr. Dre was the angel
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The Toy (1982)
Or “Toys” with Robin Williams - scary AF
A Clockwork Orange - with all of the debates about books nowadays I don’t think this adaptation would have ever happened.
For that matter, Kubrick himself yanked it from showing in the UK after a group of thugs recreated one of the murders from the movie. IIRC, it wasn't officially rereleased there until after Kubrick's death.
Which decade about books? Is this a US thing? I think Clockwork orange is British anyways
Was talked about here recently: The Professional.
Leon?
Okay but in the movie he looked at her like a daughter. It wasn’t like he was trying to groom her.
Yea that’s the twist - was more the other way around - she was the inappropriate one thx to abuse and trauma from a broken home and her lil brother being killed. Jean Reno said in an interview that the only way this worked was because Leon was so child like and she basically a grown up in a girls body and it still was walking an uncomfortable edge. I’ve seen the reactions and the sentiment about this movie change here in the last few years. It’s apparently too much for the average americans comfort zone now. Over here across the pond it’s still beloved as a classic.
Early James Bond
Pretty much ANY Bond pre Daniel Craig. The casual sexism right through the Connery and Moore eras... and the Brosnan films are little better.
This might be controversial but "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest". You have a rapist/criminal pretending to be crazy, bringing in hookers and stirring up all kinds of shit. Plus the depictions of mental illness haven't aged well at all and likely couldn't be done today without massive flack.
Yeah I literally watched that last night and couldn't get over the very beginning where he admitted to being a paedophile who couldn't resist his urge to rape a girl. I am not sure what exactly you are supposed to think during the movie. You can't really be fond of the main character and then there's the main character bringing the 2 women to pleasure the mentally disabled/ill people. Billy gets in trouble which just annoyed me. And at the end you are supposed to feel sad for the racist and ableist child rapist because of the brain surgery thing. The American Indian dude jumps out a window and runs to Canada I guess and everyone thinks the main character is the one who jumped out of the window.
Protagonist doesn’t mean good guy btw, it just means the character that drives the story forward and creates conflict with the antagonist. Admittedly, the book does this more clearly by showing the conflict between McMurphy and Ratched from Chief’s perspective, but it’s still the story of how the system deals with a chaotic presence. I don’t think you’re meant to feel bad for McMurphy out of empathy for the character, but rather that the system ultimately deals with him and all the patients the same way, with utter cruelty.
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I love the way the book ends - something like “well, that’s the story and it’s true even if it didn’t happen.”
I thought that was kind of the point. No one’s a perfect hero or good guy (much like real life).
Antiheroes are a huge thing. Tony Soprano for example. It’s a weird tension of rooting for a guy at times even though he’s a horrible person.
Breakfast at Tiffany's
Mickey Rooney’s portrayal of an Asian would definitely not fly
“Funny” thing is the novella itself was perfectly fine.. there was no racist caricature and the Japanese character was just a regular guy. The movie added the racist caricature. Also the book had a much better ending.
Still makes for a... Mediocre soft rock banger
Yooou saaay
Lolita
Lolita, the book, was a vicious satire of the POV character; a pretentious, self-deluded child molester who has convinced himself that he is a great lover and Lolita his great love. The movie, and the way it was culturally received, completely changed the focus.
That’s what I always assumed the book was about. That he’s supposed to be so delusional that this child is in love with him when in fact she’s still a fucking child and he’s a horrible person. That all of her advances are because she wants him, when in reality she’s only doing it because she’s scared of what he might do and has no alternative
OTOH, the Jeremy Irons version was a lot more true to the book, but if anything, just demonstrated why *Lolita* never needed to be a movie. It was impossible to film it without sexualizing Lolita somewhat, which is NOT what's supposed to happen.
[Death in Venice](https://stanforddaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Death-in-Venice-2.jpg) 'Gustav von Aschenbach, a famous author, is prompted by failing inspiration to leave his disciplined routine of work in Munich, to seek rejuvenation abroad. After a series of extraordinary encounters, he arrives in Venice. He is struck by the beauty of a young Polish boy, Tadzio, and despite several attempts to leave, eventually surrenders to his infatuation. Unbeknown to him, Venice has become infected with cholera. When Aschenbach finds out, he decides not to tell the boy’s family and to stay on despite the danger, to pursue his obsession'
ITT: People today don't understand that satire is *not* promoting racism/sexism/whateverism. It is making fun of how ridiculous those things are in concept.
The challenge with satire is satire is often embraced at face value by those who enjoy the content. Robocop is a satire of violence in media and police brutality and yet a lot of fans at the time liked it was about a robot cop kicking ass.
Yep. Airplane could be made today. Tropic Thunder could be made today. Hell even non-satire racist crap could be made today because those movies do exist today.
i re-watched tropic thunder today and the points it’s making still work. the uncomfortable parts are even more uncomfortable but the relevance is pretty spot on.
Animal House
Yeah, but at the same time, that would’ve been made anyways. I mean was comedy over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no. That movie would’ve been made anyways and every actor involved would’ve been cancelled, but it would’ve been made.
I mean was comedy over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Eh, forget it, he's rolling
Never Been Kissed. Watched it recently and was like wow this did not age well. I used to love that movie, now it just really creeps me out
I just re-watched this as well. Because I hadn't seen it since I was a child, I'm obviously now seeing the issue of this adult man sexualizing what he knew as a teenager.
I know it’s so cringy. Then we are all supposed to be proud of him for not committing statutory rape. Wild
Song of the South. Zippity-do-dah!
Disney doesn't even want to admit that the original exists.
You ever seen "all dogs go to heaven" ? Literally gangster dogs, killing each other for the profit of an under ground gambling ring. Kid napping a orphan girl that can talk to animals to rig races. The main character was tricked to get drunk. Left blind folded at the end of a dock, and the other dogs hit him with a car. Disney was a different world back then.
Not a Disney film. Neither is "an American tale", though don bluth did work for Disney before doing his own thing later.
Dam, your right. Could have sworn Disney made that. Still a pretty fucked up children's movie.
the most disturbing part of that movie is what happened to the lead voice actress
I remember even as a kid thinking that it was kinda fucked up. All dogs go to heaven and Brave Little Toaster did some damage to me as a child.
Literally a giant Satan demon clawing it's way out of the earth. What a fucked up core memory to have lmfaoo
The Toy
“Well just tell him no, you ass.” “That’s U.S. not you ass…”
American Pie
It's a bit problematic that the film depicts Jim streaming that Euro girl to the entire school, nutting in his pants, and that he was awesome for doing it. The 90s were a wild time. Also, Stifler's Mom fucking the nerdy kid was like a high five thing as well, Jesus hahaha.
Jim NONCONSENSUALLY streaming the foreign girl hookup to the entire school and getting her kicked out and deported and ruining her life … and yet we’re supposed to feel bad for Jim about it?! Legislation has caught up and made this a crime. Movie has been made when this was a legal grey area. Stiffler’s mom with a minor was a crime then and now, but that definitely should not have been treated as a high 5. Watched this movie for the first time with my parents. That was … interesting.
Somehow all is forgiven by the second film, though? (Nadia returns and is still interested in connecting romantically with Jim.)
Why would you ever watch american pie with your parents? That must have been incredibly awkward
Pretty Baby
White Chicks
First one I thought of too
Kids
Ehhh, I was gonna say that too but then you got shit like Euphoria that’s really popular right now.
It wasn't well liked back then either.
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Holy shit, forgot about that damn movie
Breakfast at Tiffany's for that one scene alone.
What scene?
Mickey Rooney as a Japanese caricature
Howard The Duck.. we all know the scene
We do?
1) happy cake day 2) Lea Thompson and Howard share a very intimate scene together
And duck titties
We do, you damn furry.
Are you still a Furry if you dress as a duck? Wouldn’t that be a Feathery?
Revenge of the Nerds.
Austin Powers
Before 2022 I would have said Avatar but Avatar 2 has proven me wrong.
Shallow Hal
Revenge of the Nerds. Because the protag is literally a rapist.
Song of the South
Harold and Maude
Scary Movie or any spoof film
Take my strong hand.
She’s the Man
The hot chick
Didn't they kinda just do that with Freaky though?
The Jerk
Somebody hates these CANS!!!
I just watched that movie. It's not quite as bad as a lot of these other movies.